#Graphics General
tribal trail
the 12 fps is quite something
I always liked powerpoint presentations vibe
weak saffron
Meanwhile on android. LIIINNEESSS
tribal trail
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tribal trail
https://tenor.com/view/ineedit-needit-spongebob-squarepants-need-it-gif-4883495
Prizma Deferred
hollow timber
Prizma Deferred
W
tribal trail
the 12 fps is quite something
I had low power mode turned on
proud pike
mossy verge
drowsy lantern
How do these color codes work? What does each number represent?
quick beacon
RGBA
Red, Green, Blue, Alpha
drowsy lantern
RGBA
Red, Green, Blue, Alpha
Thanks
quasi trench
i just got home lmao
sonic canopy
ACES in deferred vs in MCRTX
white willow
Aces in that first pic looks beyond chalked lol
Looks better in RTX tbh
But that's just my opinion
loud pilot
the lava has given me permanent visual impairments
sonic canopy
Whoops my bad
sonic canopy
Looks better in RTX tbh
I mean yeah. But you can probably get it looking way closer to RTX by just tweaking values to be less bright
white willow
Looks better in RTX tbh
It seems like it's better in RTX because of just better shadowing and stuff
sonic canopy
Ahh I read it as "It seems like it's better RTX"
quick beacon
I like the soft shadows in RTX
white willow
Ohhhh
silent zealot
Yeah, ACES just sucks with emissiveness
sonic canopy
I think it's just that emissivness sucks without global illumination
white willow
Some tweaking to deferred emissive brightness might be able to fix that
Idk
But in general RTX emissives jsut have better depth in general
silent zealot
I think it's just that emissivness sucks without global illumination
I guess I should've worded it better, in ACES, you can't see the texture, in reinhard luminance, you can see the texture
white willow
Specifically on the texture
drowsy lantern
ACES in deferred vs in MCRTX
In aces glowstone why point light not working in your pictures?
drowsy lantern
ACES in deferred vs in MCRTX
How you fix black nether in deferred?
Can Mojang fix aces glowing texture bug for Android?
I use aces
quasi trench
man i cant wait until ps5 deferred
tho it could be held off until a ps5 port is made
still zenith
Can Mojang fix aces glowing texture bug for Android?
I use aces
We have the fix checked in, and it will come out in the next major preview version. 🙏
white willow
👀
drowsy lantern
We have the fix checked in, and it will come out in the next major preview versi...
Thanks 🙏🙏
white willow
Never know
sonic canopy
In aces glowstone why point light not working in your pictures?
It doesn't have a point light. Imo it's not a good idea to add point lights to blocks that are large, and especially blocks that can be used for construction in large quantities, such as glowstone.
drowsy lantern
It doesn't have a point light. Imo it's not a good idea to add point lights to b...
But the blocks do not have good lighting without point light
I think point light without point light shadow is better than without point light.
sonic canopy
But that's the thing, full blocks aren't supposed to be point lights. They are too large, and can be used in large quantities in construction, and even natural generation in the nether, which can have serious performance implications. I get that it results in better lighting, but I don't think it's a sustainable solution. Ideally deferred should improve the lighting of light sources without point lights like for example with spherical harmonic based light propagation volumes
sonic canopy
ACES in deferred vs in MCRTX
On the last pic, your can see that emissive brightness is identical in deferred and RTX. But in deferred, surrounding terrain isn't affected by glow, unlike in rtx. So it seems like the only difference that causes glowing textures to look bad is a lack of GI.
silent zealot
We have the fix checked in, and it will come out in the next major preview versi...
The graphics team on their way to make ACES my favourite again
sonic canopy
Btw aces just got an update
https://community.acescentral.com/t/aces-v2-developer-release/5427
viscid moth
Btw aces just got an update
https://community.acescentral.com/t/aces-v2-develope...
new tonemapping coming
aces_v2
maybe
sonic canopy
Probably doesn't mean anything for deferred since it uses an approximation anyways, but in case if someone ever makes an approximation for the new version, it could be potentially added
viscid moth
Probably doesn't mean anything for deferred since it uses an approximation anywa...
doesn't mean anything for deferred
so what about rtx /j
sonic canopy
That could be useful for custom (RTX or otherwise) shaders tho
quick beacon
@white willow (#1182095383015456829 message)
white willow
yeah. i was mostly saying that a bright sun shouldnt cause this issue
quick beacon
Yea
white willow
it shouldnt end up killing off any form of shadowing
quick beacon
Is Aaja aware of this?
white willow
thats what last nights talk was about actually
white willow
i was trying to figure out why things werent being shadowed and i found out it was due to a brighter sun
quick beacon
Can it be fixed is my question
white willow
atm not sure but ik its possible to fix
quick beacon
They can fix it for sure, but idk what causes it happen.
Vanilla block shadows should not exist in deferred as well
white willow
id try to come up wiht an explanation but atm i dont really have one
tribal trail
Vanilla block shadows should not exist in deferred as well
they should
quick beacon
Why
white willow
Especially without any form of advanced AO in the engine rn
tribal trail
I am talking about this.
yeah, this is part of vanilla ao
and trust me, without it the whole game would look even more flat and ugly
Honestly, without it, I wouldn't even use deferred at all and probably start making java pack
tribal trail
without vanilla AO
I just look bad, flat, ugly, terrible and I want to use bleach on my eyes
sonic canopy
I am talking about this.
This is not AO but shadowing of the sky. Without it, all ambient brightness would be the same
tribal trail
I am talking about this.
plus I like it
tribal trail
This is not AO but shadowing of the sky. Without it, all ambient brightness woul...
ooooh
idk, maybe I called it wrong, but I like it 
quick beacon
This is not AO but shadowing of the sky. Without it, all ambient brightness woul...
How would that look?
sonic canopy
I'll show
pale urchin
How would that look?
Ever seen full bright packs?
sonic canopy
Vanilla vs ambient always 1 vs ambient always 0
Always 1 vs vanilla vs without deferred
white willow
Ah so it is full bright basically
sonic canopy
yeah
white willow
I'd like to see things like HBAO or even GTAO added to deferred. Perhaps tied to high and ultra shadows
tribal trail
I would love to see GTAO so much
white willow
Yeah it would be great
Either a like dedicated slider for it with different settings like vanilla ao, ssao, hbao, and gtao or tie them into shadow quality settings
I'd prefer it to be its own thing though
sonic canopy
Those are all screen space techniques tho, and they solve AO instead of skylight exposure. It's kind of the same thing, but in minecraft there is a distinction
white willow
Idk any non screen space ao options aside from RTAO so
tribal trail
Those are all screen space techniques tho, and they solve AO instead of skylight...
Yeah we know
but deferred needs good scree space ao
that's what we mean
white willow
Skylight exposure is definitely an issue though. We should be able to use realistic sun values without shadows getting nuked yk
Ig for now though I'll reduce my sun brightness 🫡
tribal trail
Skylight exposure is definitely an issue though. We should be able to use realis...
Why would you need to use realistic sun volues
Just use what looks the best
white willow
I'm just saying anything above like 5k luminance I think cooks shadows completely
Haven't had time to test yet
sonic canopy
Yeah, since the entire lighting depends on sun illuminance, changing it doesn't really affect much because auto exposure will adjust to it anyways. But it does affect relative brightness of the atmosphere, in comparison to light sources
white willow
Why would you need to use realistic sun volues
It's just more of a, if you want to it shouldn't cause issues but does kind of thing
10k luminance isn't really all that much for a sun. Shadows shouldn't get baked out of existence
If I'm not mistaken the sun in RTX is far brighter than that too
Please correct me if I'm wrong though
quasi trench
I would love to see GTAO so much
grand theft ambient occlusion
long ruin
white willow
LMAO that's one of the funnier things I've heard today
tribal trail
grand theft ambient occlusion
quasi trench
proud pike
real
white willow
time to be the bearer of information
the sun brightness sweet spot is about 300-150 illuminance for the best and most accurate outdoor shadowing and indoor lighting
this range has little to no exposure weirdness which also makes it a great position.
problems ive encountered though
outdoor lighting thats not shadowed is just meh
very bland overall
but if you want better looking forests and buildings, this is your best bet
another positive. sky reflections are cleaner
its rather subtle but it is noticeable
left is 250lum right is 10k lum
white willow
outdoor lighting thats not shadowed is just meh
ok uh now that i compare, there is almost no difference here
i... think theres only net positives
oh ig a negative is if youre going for realism since emissions and point lights will show up during the day
indoors are imensley better. left is 10k lum right is 225 lum
the auto exposure it seems cannot handle this amount of light
sonic canopy
You could try modifying auto exposure to make response curve linear instead of curvy
viscid moth
Updated list of
Not working texture sets
•Banner - doesn't work
•Bell - doesn't work - doesn't cast shadows
•The beacon beam - doesn't work but devs are aware
•The piston arm - doesn't work
•Horse - doesn't work
•The llamas and their carpet - doesn't work
•Shield patterns - doesn't work
•Warden - black texture with bioluminescent layer material but using default in render controller works
•Hanging signs - doesn't work
•Signs - doesn't work
•Enchanting table book - doesn't work
•Candles - don't work
•The end portal texture in the entity files- What is the purpose of this file but still doesn't work anyway
•The paintings - don't work
•The guardian beam - doesn't work
•Riptide spinning texture - doesn't work
•Skull and heads - doesn't work
•Conduit - doesn't work
there's more but I need some more testing
viscid moth
this bug happened to one of my discord members
he said
Whenever the in game time reaches towards noon my game melts
any ideas what might be causing this
I do use 100000 for noon
sonic canopy
Looks like bloom can't handle such large brightness and turns into NaNs
Turning off bloom might help
viscid moth
Turning off bloom might help
welp
faint snow
Does anyone know when the black lines are gonna be fixed?
silent zealot
Updated list of
Not working texture sets
```
•Banner - doesn't work
•Bell - doe...
Is this heightmap, MER, PBR in general?
viscid moth
Is this heightmap, MER, PBR in general?
mostly general everything except warden doesn't work with texture sets
there's no glitch there's no flicking
they don't work with heightmaps and mers
white willow
Warden does work you just have to do a workaround for it
Which technically you shouldn't have to do
silent zealot
Warden does work you just have to do a workaround for it
What is the workaround
white willow
You have to change the material in the render controller
viscid moth
What is the workaround
vague shoal
I’m surprised how well deferred runs on my iPhone se 3rd gen
It stays at 60 fps most of the time
vague shoal
meanwhile me with iPhone 15 and 20 fps
How’s that even possible
white willow
Ultra settings
tribal trail
Ultra settings
and 24 chunks
vague shoal
Turn everything to low then
tribal trail
and low power mode
tribal trail
Turn everything to low then
bruh
I'd rather have 10 fps on ultra than 120 on even medium
graphics > fps
white willow
My iPad can do 24 chunks with little issue
tribal trail
for me
tribal trail
My phone though
mine is fine
tribal trail
Fog gives me the biggest fps hit
vague shoal
But I guess not for you
tribal trail
Still looks beautiful to me even at low
but not as beautiful as on ultra
white willow
Low looks pretty bad. The shadows are insanely flickery, fog clips through everything
tribal trail
Low looks pretty bad. The shadows are insanely flickery, fog clips through every...
NOT MY VOLUMETRIC DOG
NOOOO
vague shoal
I love 60 fps tho
tribal trail
YOU KILLED IT
white willow
The only things that look good on low tbh are point lights I don't notice a quality difference with those
Oh and ig reflections but those can just stay on ultra since they have zero perf impact rn
white willow
Still looks beautiful to me even at low
The difference for you is you are playing with it. Me and alegzzis at least I assume she isn't using it to play and more or less to test things
vague shoal
Oh
white willow
If it runs bad tbh idc because half the time I'm on my phone to make sure my pack isn't broken on mobile
tribal trail
The difference for you is you are playing with it. Me and alegzzis at least I as...
test things and get some sexy screenshot
tribal trail
show me
white willow
I had more but I can't find them
Seeing a mobile game having modern graphics is crazy to me lol. Cuz just a few years ago mobile games looked awful
faint snow
Vanilla bedrock looks worse than Java
Bedrock is a mobile game ported to PC and consoles
vague shoal
Vanilla bedrock looks worse than Java
It’s cause of the grass i think
They just look different
I can tell which one is Java
And which one is bedrock
Deferred kinda fixes that
It make bedrock look more like Java graphics but with dynamic shadows and more
Or a Java shader
rocky halo
It’s cause of the grass i think
No
And also mojang before grass on bedrock was beautiful
Don't reverse copper bulb, reverse grass
Grass before was so beautiful, with variations
faint snow
It’s cause of the grass i think
I think its because of block and entity shading
pale urchin
That doesn't look all different between the two versions
pale urchin
I like Bedrock's shadows and water
faint snow
I hate bedrock’s shading
pale urchin
We are north and south poles
pale urchin
Yeah Bedrock's looks more vibrant
pale urchin
Also, I'm noticing that light penetrates deeper in Java's water
rocky halo
Also, I'm noticing that light penetrates deeper in Java's water
But it is due to bedrock weird lod probably
To hide
pale urchin
I don't think it's LOD that's causing it here
Otherwise the water surface would look totally solid
rocky halo
I don't think it's LOD that's causing it here
No because it is to hide the seagrass that disappear
pale urchin
If I zoom in I can still see seagrass
pale urchin
Use night vision
What are the seed and coords?
quick beacon
Didn't we have this same discussion before?
pale urchin
Bedrock lod make the game less beautiful that it should be
I won't deny that, but I'm just saying I don't think that's the culprit in this screenshot
rocky halo
pfff i need to start my computer
pale urchin
I'm not saying that sea grass doesn't get hidden. I'm just saying that water isn't a factor in it
Not in your screenshot anyway
rocky halo
I'm not saying that sea grass doesn't get hidden. I'm just saying that water isn...
?
what
no the water is less transparent on bedrock probably because the lod
pale urchin
And I'm saying that lod isn't what's making the water less transparent in your screenshot. You're too close to the water for that to be the culprit
rocky halo
an example when it is problematic :
rocky halo
And I'm saying that lod isn't what's making the water less transparent in your s...
it was not my screenshot
pale urchin
Oh ok. Well I was talking about that screenshot anyway
rocky halo
a guy complained to have java graphics in bedrock on the feedback discord
pale urchin
a guy complained to have java graphics in bedrock on the feedback discord
Oh? Where?
rocky halo
#1221932579846885436 message
I understand they want java graphics because java is more serious
Java is like sasuke and bedrock like naruto in terms of graphics
silent zealot
Oh that dude lol
vague shoal
I found this while searching in the official Minecraft discord
The link don’t work
Could this stream possibly have had never before seen footage of the sdgp?
We’ll never know
hollow timber
Could this stream possibly have had never before seen footage of the sdgp?
wayback machine time
faint snow
I found this while searching in the official Minecraft discord
It’s either a screenshot or this video https://youtu.be/YwWiq2T26Aw?si=-nKyC8lfgmmOD-tN
Nvm I just realized it was a twitch stream
lucid token
I hate this shadows issue in mcpe Is anyone have solution
weak saffron
No. That's just a bug
vague shoal
@still zenith sorry for the ping but this is happening with some pbr packs
I’ve only encountered this bug with 2 pbr packs
white willow
I've done testing and this is very similar to the old sun bug
Only happens when sun values are high and reflections are enabled
And limited to mobile
rocky halo
<@1067925350635548814> sorry for the ping but this is happening with some pbr pa...
Your pfp is made with ai ?
vague shoal
Your pfp is made with ai ?
It was from an ai skit video I saw on yt
rocky halo
K
white willow
man if there was anything i could want... it would be a water normal like this fr
video would probably go better...
white willow
also really wishing deferred had gi too
(not betterRTX i used the global lighting files to chagne sun angle)
which if you plan on doing this i dont recomend it that much since it does cause some weird issues
vague shoal
which if you plan on doing this i dont recomend it that much since it does cause...
i wanna see what the custom sun angle looks like in normal rtx
more pics plz
vague shoal
it don’t look that bad
vague shoal
i hope we have this in deferred
white willow
BRTX for comparison
RTX with the sun angle should look like this but it doesn't. Something goes wrong somewhere
Not that it matters that much but yeah. It does break some things
Still cool that it works
white willow
i hope we have this in deferred
You can. Just have to know how to make a normal like that
vague shoal
You can. Just have to know how to make a normal like that
😭
white willow
That's not actual wavy water just an illusion
vague shoal
i’ve not even made a pbr texture yet
white willow
I was mostly just saying I wish I had the skills to make a water normal that good
Having actual water parallax though would be cool
I just don't see it happening
But I'd like to be proven wrong
white willow
Feature idea when it comes to improving fog
Geometry splits up the fog
Like the bars in the windows cause the fog to break up and look like separate rays
Atm fog ignores this and still looks full
This isn't like an immediate request but like a future quality improvement idea
sonic canopy
I think fog is affected by geometry, such as leaves and iron bars, but just not by glass specifically since it has translucent material. What would solve that tho is shadow being tinted by translucent materials
white willow
Hm you might be right
I'll test it later I guess
I've never seen light rays pierce through leaves though so idk
white willow
Ah
I don't think it would ever be able to be as clean as RTX does it but I'm sure there could be some improvements
I might just be putting out thoughts into the void. I will test this theory later though. If it does work that way forget I said anything
sonic canopy
Everything that casts shadows affects the fog
tribal trail
o boy aajabrams is online
he is online now
white willow
^
tribal trail
dont stalk aajabrams!
but it's so addicting 
white willow
^
mossy verge
white willow
Feature that would be great for deferred. Moon phased lighting. Being able to determine different moon brightnesses based of the moon phase
silent zealot
Feature that would be great for deferred. Moon phased lighting. Being able to de...
cough Molang query support cough
graceful iron
*cough* Molang query support *cough*
cough I love abusing molang to make rainbow lights cough
vague shoal
Man I wish I could play deferred with someone else
I’m always alone when playing deferred
😢
white willow
if i had time and played survival more, i would. just im very busy
oak thicket
I’m always alone when playing deferred
You sent this exact message for the 3rd or 4th time
viscid moth
Instead of searching for a friend to play mc deferred
you can learn how to code and build a bot that can play mc with you
rocky halo
I thought that more people here would prefer Minecraft grass
quasi trench
i hope next week alot is gonna be coming for deferred
they cant leave us with nothing for three weeks in a row like this
vague shoal
i hope next week alot is gonna be coming for deferred
PlayStation support 🙏
So I can finally play deferred with friends
oak thicket
Reflections 🙏
quasi trench
PlayStation support 🙏
no way they’re finished with that this quickly
i will do 100 jumping jacks if they release that next week
white willow
no way they’re finished with that this quickly
Definitely not. Considering most of it has to be rewritten because of PSSL
At least I believe it does
pale urchin
Maybe not rewritten to its entirety since they are using a cross platform rendering engine
white willow
Yeah makes sense.
vague shoal
I wonder how much they will have to do with porting deferred to switch
Isn’t switch Minecraft just an android port over to switch?
quick beacon
They'll probably add deferred to switch 2
white willow
It would be better to not worry about the current switch and just wait for the switch 2
Considering the switch 2 is running on Nvidias Ampere family of gpus. It'll more than likely have a sizeable jump comparatively
What they do is their choice though
silk whale
definitely excited for switch 2
vague shoal
They'll probably add deferred to switch 2
They gotta add it to normal switch too
vague shoal
Normal switch is too slow GPU wise..
If they optimize it enough I think deferred can run on it
oak thicket
No
quick beacon
If they optimize it enough I think deferred can run on it
Question is if they can optimize it enough for a 60FPS experience.
vague shoal
Question is if they can optimize it enough for a 60FPS experience.
It will probably be the same as legends graphics fps
Which is mostly 40-60
For me
oak thicket
Crazy assumptions
white willow
If anything they will pull a paper Mario and optimize it for 30fps
oak thicket
30 fps 6 chunks don’t expect more
quick beacon
Yea
quick beacon
Bedrock got no LOD system in place..
oak thicket
Im talking about bedrock
vague shoal
Oh
white willow
If anything they will pull a paper Mario and optimize it for 30fps
But ngl thousand year door looks insanely good for a switch game
vague shoal
Well maybe 8 chunks
oak thicket
Don’t expect more than 6 chunks
vague shoal
We’ll just have to wait and see
white willow
I think mojang could pull it off for sure but it would need so much work
quick beacon
I don't think the Switch will get deferred.
vague shoal
I guess
oak thicket
Even with all the optimisations it will still look like shit
vague shoal
I don't think the Switch will get deferred.
Well it’s in the platform configuration
vague shoal
Even with all the optimisations it will still look like shit
I don’t think it will
white willow
So much work that imo it's not worth the hassle and would be better to wait for switch 2 as it would be capable
vague shoal
Cause I like it even at low
oak thicket
If deferred on your iPhone looks bad then imagine how would it look like on switch
vague shoal
If deferred on your iPhone looks bad then imagine how would it look like on swit...
I don’t think it looks bad
white willow
And that's your opinion
oak thicket
It does IN MY OPINION
vague shoal
And there’s tons of other people that have my opinion too
That aren’t in this server
white willow
The switch CAN produce amazing graphics but the only people that know how to do that are Nintendo themselves
white willow
No one else has managed to mimic what Nintendo has pushed from the switch
Aside from like maybe doom eternal but that game runs on some dark magic
vague shoal
No one else has managed to mimic what Nintendo has pushed from the switch
Imagine graphics team will team up with Nintendo
white willow
Won't happen
oak thicket
Never
white willow
Nintendo gives zero care to third party games
They care about theirs and that's it
Which is totally fair
oak thicket
Im angry at Mojang for forcing us(Xbox series consoles users) to play at 4k
vague shoal
Don’t forget that pbr packs can make deferred look better aswell
white willow
Series S should be 1440p. Better suited for the console tbh
oak thicket
I want to play at 1080p on series s
white willow
Series S should be 1440p. Better suited for the console tbh
That's what it was rated for
oak thicket
It runs vanilla 4k without any dips
white willow
It would be better to be able to select res but the series s at 4K is too much for it
white willow
It runs vanilla 4k without any dips
If you max RD and AA it does
oak thicket
Yeah
white willow
But you don't really need anti aliasing at 4K lmao
oak thicket
I always set it to 1
white willow
Max rd with like 2 AA is perfectly fine
vague shoal
I wonder what kind of pbr packs the marketplace studios will come up with
oak thicket
In deferred I’m getting 30-40-50 fps on medium settings and maxed rd
vague shoal
Maybe porting Java shaders to bedrock with pbr packs
white willow
I wonder what kind of pbr packs the marketplace studios will come up with
Skibidi Ohio gyatt rizz pbr
vague shoal
Like the bedrock addons
white willow
Skibidi Ohio gyatt rizz pbr
Can't tell me I'm wrong either
vague shoal
Cause they just ported tinkers construct to the marketplace
white willow
Hah
vague shoal
And fake shaders
Id say the same studios who made those “shaders” will make pbr packs
And call them shaders or shades
white willow
Id say the same studios who made those “shaders” will make pbr packs
And they probably won't even be good 💀
white willow
Most of the pbr packs I find aren't good
vague shoal
Most of the pbr packs I find aren't good
I mean they’re okay
Also by the time deferred releases there will be more customization
And features
white willow
I've literally customized a generator that makes pbr better than most of the packs I've found
😭
vague shoal
I've literally customized a generator that makes pbr better than most of the pac...
Gimme the generator so I don’t have to make pbr
vague shoal
Wish we could have a celebration server when deferred releases
I suggested it to actrometa
In yss
Cause he owns the yss smp server
white willow
Yeah arc is stupidly busy at this time so it probably won't be anytime soon
white willow
Well ontop of the fact it won't be done anytime soon either
viscid moth
so when can we add pbr for capes
long ruin
quick beacon
I really wish we had a way to change fog dynamically during the day without the use of behavior packs.
sonic canopy
So are you saying that locking graphics customization behind server side APIs is a bad idea and client side effects should be controlled on the client side, perhaps via some fast and simple pre-compiled language, like molang? I'm thinking the same thing!
quick beacon
Supporting Molang is going to be so good
silent zealot
So are you saying that locking graphics customization behind server side APIs is...
Could you also consider that both APIs are still in early development and once they figure out and stabilized the basics of the API they can expand onto Client Scripts and integrate them into the deferred pipeline
sonic canopy
Molang is still a better option, it'd allow for more specific and precise effects thanks to executing every frame
If they replaced molang with client scripts, that'd immediately destroy like half of the coolest visual effects that I've done, simply because they are dependent on precise execution every frame
It really sucks that new add-on systems don't get any molang support, when it makes a lot of sense if they did. Camera apis, deferred, they're both client side systems and would benifit greatly from data driving fields at runtime every frame with molang. But unfortunately it seems like add-on team either expects everything to be controlled server side or doesn't consider frame rate execution.
quick beacon
I kinda dislike how fog looks in the distance... :<
I guess it's supposed to look this way but I had a small amount of people complaining to me about why they can't see far away so by default my mind wants me to spend weeks to get light shafts and allow them to see far away
viscid moth
do yall have this issue where the higher you go the denser the fogs get
not a bug nvm
viscid moth
ngl the freaking sss on the leaves side is pissing me off
sonic canopy
I wish deferred had convolution bloom. Then it'd be possible to customize convolution kernels, like you can in unreal, which would allow you to make any bloom shape you want
viscid moth
I wish deferred had convolution bloom. Then it'd be possible to customize convol...
heart bloom shape?
sonic canopy
Yes! Any shape you want, controlled via a texture in resource pack
viscid moth
oh that would be cool
If it doesn't affect performance too much it should be implemented
and i don't think it should affect performance at all
sonic canopy
Tbf convolution bloom is slower than other techniques, but it's also currently the best technique we have and bloom resolution can be scaled based on settings, to have variable performance/quality tradeoff
viscid moth
@sonic canopy Sorry to ping you
Are you still working on the deferred path traced shader
sonic canopy
I plan to come back to it soon, just was busy with other things, like finally releasing my shader dev tool - lazurite. Also before coming back to it, I wanna make another small shader demo, with GI and some other effects using light propagation volumes with spherical harmonics, just as a proof of concept.
long ruin
viscid moth
I plan to come back to it soon, just was busy with other things, like finally re...
Interesting
I don't really know about shader dev but your stuff amazes me so I will try it out
sonic canopy
👀
quick beacon
It'll look good.
loud pilot
Poggy's already seen the future
quick beacon
clone?
vague shoal
Yes this is the 5th time I said that
loud pilot
simple, summon a SimulatedPlayer
vague shoal
All of my friends can’t get preview or cause they’re on ps4
loud pilot
ps4 does have preview, doesn't it?
vague shoal
When PlayStation support comes
quick beacon
what's happening here LOL
loud pilot
ah well, just gotta wait
vague shoal
Which is why I’m really excited for that
Cause then I can play it with my friends
Instead of having to wait for stable release
That is unless they don’t bring support until it’s ready to release
white willow
Can’t have caustics without wavy water
You can
Caustics aren't based on waves in games
It just makes sense to be paired with eachother cuz it looks more realistic
tribal trail
Can’t have caustics without wavy water
of course you can, they are not based on waves, they are simple 2d texture
ofc it is different with ray traced caustics, but we know there is no chance for that
quick beacon
Yea I'll stick to low illuminance values 
white willow
Literally. Caustics are basically just an animated png
quick beacon
Yea I'll stick to low illuminance values <:Pain:794250420922744862>
Mine ^^
white willow
Yea I'll stick to low illuminance values <:Pain:794250420922744862>
Yeah I'm hoping we can get a high illuminance fix as it looks more natural but it's fine for now I guess
silent zealot
Corrected an issue with the ACES tonemapper in the Deferred Technical Preview on Android. ACES tonemapping should now provide the expected results on Android. This should cause no changes on other platforms
Womp womp
😔 ACES emissiveness textures still sucks on Windows
quick beacon
Music to my eyes
tribal trail
white willow
Aside from the fact the sun looks like a nuclear bomb
vague shoal
Aside from the fact the sun looks like a nuclear bomb
It’s round tho
quick beacon
Shadows at noon feel the same as they do at day time
vague shoal
Which I like
tribal trail
Aside from the fact the sun looks like a nuclear bomb
but cool nuclear bomb B)
white willow
but cool nuclear bomb B)
Yes
quick beacon
It feels proper in a way
white willow
My pack used to have a rounded sun but people complained about it so much so i returned it
vague shoal
How did u manage to make it look like that?
quick beacon
tribal trail
How did u manage to make it look like that?
magic
white willow
It's simple but magic
quick beacon
@white willow
white willow
Sick
white willow
Oh hmmm
It should just be copied from like water or air
With scattering and absorption and stuff
white willow
Hmmmm
Idk then very weird
Unless weather is now better tied to your own fog
But idk
quick beacon
uh
loud pilot
<@575765209785040908>
"Lava Resistance" effect definitely exists
white willow
I guess we could wait for aaja to either let us know or we tinker till something works, or docs get an update
silent zealot
"Lava Resistance" effect definitely exists
Fire resistance 
loud pilot
Fire resistance <a:HomerHide:611351907209969665>
nah, we only craft Lava resistance potions over here
sonic canopy
Even uniform values?
sonic canopy
ohh
quick beacon
texture set didn't work tho
"items": {
"global_metalness_emissive_roughness": [
0,
16,
0
]
},```Maybe item PBR textures are locked behind a specific format version, like it was with SSS
quick beacon
quick beacon
Maybe item PBR textures are locked behind a specific format version, like it was...
Checking which one it could be
now I am curious
reflective items :3
seems buggy tho
Yea
doesn't seem ready yet
Not even added to global
Ahh, if you rejoin while holding that item, it will loose PBR but the others will keep the PBR stuff
white willow
Strange
quick beacon
Even if you haven't added PBR to the item or globally
I guess items glow now
fixed it somehow
quick beacon
Yea
white willow
rtx world previews go crazy
wait.... it saves the broken clouds
💀
this is so sick ngl i really like this change
quick beacon
I managed to make rain look better... I think
white willow
did you get the weather value working?
quick beacon
Literally changed the rain opacity texture in weather.png :3
white willow
although makes some neat screenshots
quick beacon
@white willow Your fog format version has to be 1.21.10 for the weather stuff to work... changelog said 1.21.0 LOL
quick beacon
from what I tested, yea
quick beacon
Hmm, seems you can only change fog density when it rains and not the other stuff
quick beacon
no comma
now I can't have my rainy fog
quick beacon
Strange
white willow
even setting uniform to true did nothing
quick beacon
"weather": {
"max_density": 0.86,
"zero_density_height": 113,
"max_density_height": 64,
"uniform": false
},```
All I didstill stupidly thick
quick beacon
What has changed in the past few previews?
Uhh item PBR is a thing now
white willow
What has changed in the past few previews?
nothing really. they made some changes to fog allowing us to define weather values now.
proud pike
Oh
quick beacon
ACES fix on android
proud pike
I see
quick beacon
bloom fix on android
proud pike
W
white willow
and world previews now work properly with rtx and deferred
proud pike
Nice
white willow
well... deferred kinda works
white willow
well... deferred kinda works
white willow
maybe soon. we have parameters for caustics in the code now
quick beacon
Can release in 1.21.10 or 1.21.20
proud pike
What preview are we on atm?
quick beacon
1.21.10.20
proud pike
I haven't touched any previews past 1.21.0 i think lol
proud pike
1.21.10.20
I see
white willow
i cannot get this fog to work. crying fr
quick beacon
The water change we're getting is worth being excited for... i hope :}
long ruin
~~POM when~~
mossy verge
This has been fixed I think
viscid moth
ehm so where is the rain texture located in particles
i been try to find it be no where to be seen
mossy verge
ehm so where is the rain texture located in particles
i been try to find it be n...
Environment/weather.png
viscid moth
Environment/weather.png
oh thanks
white willow
BRUH WEATHER FOG IS WORKING FOR EBERYONE BUT ME
😭😭😭😭😭😭
I played around with the fog for weather for 30 minutes. See the correct format version and everything
Nothing
Skill issue I guess
proud pike
Sadge
white willow
white willow
Real
viscid moth
I played around with the fog for weather for 30 minutes. See the correct format ...
do you have any errors given by mc
white willow
I'll tinker with it when I have more time. Had to write an essay and make a presentation which took all day
white willow
do you have any errors given by mc
Nope
It was all done correctly
This is what my fog file looked like
I mean unless weather needs to be above water but I don't see why that would matter
viscid moth
weather on vs off
white willow
Which I set my weather fog really low to test if it worked right
This is NOT 0.015 density
viscid moth
try removing the unifrom:false
viscid moth
would you like to try mine and see if it works
white willow
Send it to me and I'll try it later
viscid moth
{
"format_version": "1.21.10",
"minecraft:fog_settings": {
"description": {
"identifier": "lynx:jungle"
},
"distance": {
"water": {
"fog_start": 0.0,
"fog_end": 60.0,
"fog_color": "#14A2C5",
"render_distance_type": "fixed",
"transition_fog": {
"init_fog": {
"fog_start": 0.0,
"fog_end": 0.01,
"fog_color": "#14A2C5",
"render_distance_type": "fixed"
},
"min_percent": 0.25,
"mid_seconds": 5,
"mid_percent": 0.6,
"max_seconds": 30
}
}
},
"volumetric": {
"density": {
"air": {
"max_density": 0.1,
"zero_density_height": 150.0,
"max_density_height": 60.0
},
"weather": {
"max_density": 1,
"zero_density_height": 150.0,
"max_density_height": 60.0
},
"water": {
"max_density": 0.004,
"uniform": true
},
"lava":{
"max_density": 0.004,
"zero_density_height": 200.0,
"max_density_height": 100.0
},
"lava_resistance":{
"max_density": 0.004,
"zero_density_height": 200.0,
"max_density_height": 100.0
}
},
"media_coefficients": {
"air": {
"scattering": [0.0569, 0.1, 0.071],
"absorption": [0.0431, 0.0, 0.029]
},
"water": {
"scattering": [0.025, 0.03, 0.035],
"absorption": [0.08, 0.04, 0.04]
},
"cloud": {
"scattering": [0.025, 0.03, 0.035],
"absorption": [0.08, 0.04, 0.04]
}
}
}
}
}
eh
white willow
I have weather below
viscid moth
hmm
white willow
Ik JSON likes to be oddly specific
viscid moth
I managed to make rain look better... I think
how
viscid moth
So the layering doesn't matter
could you send me your jungle fog file config
viscid moth
This is NOT 0.015 density
hold up your max density is set to 82 block is it cuz of that?
white willow
white willow
hold up your max density is set to 82 block is it cuz of that?
Nah. The height was literally not working. I went 200 in the air made no difference
Where as during no weather there would be literally zero fog
And poggy used height and it was fine
So idk where my issue is
viscid moth
your fog weather without vs with
viscid moth
💀 you sure you updated mc?
white willow
Yeah it's on 1.21.10.20
viscid moth
might be device issues but don't know how
viscid moth
might be
white willow
I'll try it when I have time later
viscid moth
or you need to make sure you are in correct biome
white willow
Well i guess it's nice to know it does work
viscid moth
@white willow ehm so there might be an actual layering problem
white willow
Oh?
viscid moth
so lets just say If i go back to my og config and paste your air media-coefficients and the weather vol fog
it looks nothing like the screenshot i gave you
viscid moth
Is it more in line with what I sent
i just copied and pasted the weather fog and the air scattering values
white willow
Still doesn't look as bad as mine did though
viscid moth
{
"format_version": "1.21.10",
"minecraft:fog_settings": {
"description": {
"identifier": "lynx:jungle"
},
"distance": {
"water": {
"fog_start": 0.0,
"fog_end": 60.0,
"fog_color": "#14A2C5",
"render_distance_type": "fixed",
"transition_fog": {
"init_fog": {
"fog_start": 0.0,
"fog_end": 0.01,
"fog_color": "#14A2C5",
"render_distance_type": "fixed"
},
"min_percent": 0.25,
"mid_seconds": 5,
"mid_percent": 0.6,
"max_seconds": 30
}
}
},
"volumetric": {
"density": {
"air": {
"max_density": 0.01,
"zero_density_height": 150.0,
"max_density_height": 60.0
},
"weather": {
"max_density": 0.86,
"zero_density_height": 113.0,
"max_density_height": 64.0,
"uniform": false
},
"water": {
"max_density": 0.004,
"uniform": true
},
"lava":{
"max_density": 0.004,
"zero_density_height": 200.0,
"max_density_height": 100.0
},
"lava_resistance":{
"max_density": 0.004,
"zero_density_height": 200.0,
"max_density_height": 60.0
}
},
"media_coefficients": {
"air": {
"scattering": [0.033, 0.245, 0.152],
"absorption": [0.065, 0.032, 0.042]
},
"water": {
"scattering": [0.025, 0.03, 0.035],
"absorption": [0.08, 0.04, 0.04]
},
"cloud": {
"scattering": [0.025, 0.03, 0.035],
"absorption": [0.08, 0.04, 0.04]
}
}
}
}
}
here's the modified version
viscid moth
@white willow sorry :-:
you sent a a fog file with comma misplaced I didn't see the erorr so
which I show you was using the default.json fog file as a fall back i suppose
here's your actual fog without error
what I would suggest it that you turn down the fog density of your weather object
white willow
what I would suggest it that you turn down the fog density of your weather objec...
Yep I planned on that
It was a test
But interesting whoops. Thanks for finding the issue though 😅
viscid moth
here's the comma error
white willow
Mmmm I see. It probably got messed up when I copied something
viscid moth
this one is your fog but weather fog being at .1 density
also aces really be doing fog justice
viscid moth
so now that item pbr is coming soon when is dynamic light coming
sonic canopy
so now that item pbr is coming soon when is dynamic light coming
Probably not any time soon, they mentioned that there are no plans to add actor attached point lights
viscid moth
noo my plan to crash the world with 200 villagers holding glow stone failed
graceful iron
noo my plan to crash the world with 200 villagers holding glow stone failed
Use point lights on light blocks
then make one of those dynamic light addons and boom
lag. 
viscid moth
Use point lights on light blocks
the game lags even on fancy graphics with that addon:-:
graceful iron
the game lags even on fancy graphics with that addon:-:
lol
And it’s always really janky as well 
viscid moth
lol the light updating isn't smooth even in fancy so
white willow
but I mean it works though
quick beacon
You got your rain fog to work?
quick beacon
where?
viscid moth
But it didn't yell at me about it
hol on for a min
if theres an extra comma then it should use a default fog file
did you provide a custom default fog that has vol fog
viscid moth
I have a default vol fog file do you have one?
white willow
Yeah I have one for everything
Well not a default but yk
But yes I have a default
viscid moth
@quick beacon pls bless me with the rain magic trick
my rain looks like they on emissive 1
viscid moth
But yes I have a default
then the game have used the default in the screenshot you gave me cuz your extra comma fog one was not allowed to used
quick beacon
why is your rain glowy
viscid moth
that's what I am wondering lmao
quick beacon
Here I bless all of you
white willow
bruh
viscid moth
have you fixed the .86
viscid moth
hold up what? send me the fog file again
quick beacon
😔 can't change color when it rains
white willow
viscid moth
bruh
{
"format_version": "1.21.10",
"minecraft:fog_settings": {
"description": {
"identifier": "lynx:jungle"
},
"distance": {
"water": {
"fog_start": 0.0,
"fog_end": 60.0,
"fog_color": "#14A2C5",
"render_distance_type": "fixed",
"transition_fog": {
"init_fog": {
"fog_start": 0.0,
"fog_end": 0.01,
"fog_color": "#14A2C5",
"render_distance_type": "fixed"
},
"min_percent": 0.25,
"mid_seconds": 5,
"mid_percent": 0.6,
"max_seconds": 30
}
}
},
"volumetric": {
"density": {
"air": {
"max_density": 0.1,
"zero_density_height": 150.0,
"max_density_height": 60.0
},
"weather": {
"max_density": 0.56,
"zero_density_height": 150.0,
"max_density_height": 60.0
},
"water": {
"max_density": 0.004,
"uniform": true
},
"lava":{
"max_density": 0.004,
"zero_density_height": 200.0,
"max_density_height": 100.0
},
"lava_resistance":{
"max_density": 0.004,
"zero_density_height": 200.0,
"max_density_height": 100.0
}
},
"media_coefficients": {
"air": {
"scattering": [0.0569, 0.1, 0.071],
"absorption": [0.0431, 0.0, 0.029]
},
"water": {
"scattering": [0.025, 0.03, 0.035],
"absorption": [0.08, 0.04, 0.04]
},
"cloud": {
"scattering": [0.025, 0.03, 0.035],
"absorption": [0.08, 0.04, 0.04]
}
}
}
}
}
try this
viscid moth
Here I bless all of you
lets goo
viscid moth
you still haven't fixed the damn bracket error 💀
viscid moth
so idk whats actually wrong
bruh here
media coefficient is supposed to be in volumetric object
density is only in volumetric by your way of placing the bracket
here's your file but i fixed the error
{
"format_version": "1.21.10",
"minecraft:fog_settings": {
"description": {
"identifier": "pgpbr:jungle"
},
"distance": {
"air": {
"fog_start": 0.9,
"fog_end": 1.0,
"fog_color": "#7cfffd",
"render_distance_type": "render"
},
"water": {
"fog_start": 0.7,
"fog_end": 0.8,
"fog_color": "#1aff00",
"render_distance_type": "render"
},
"weather": {
"fog_start": 0.99,
"fog_end": 1.0,
"fog_color": "#666666",
"render_distance_type": "render"
}
},
"volumetric": {
"density": {
"air": {
"max_density": 0.030,
"uniform": false,
"max_density_height": 82,
"zero_density_height": 130
},
"water": {
"max_density": 0.03,
"uniform": true
},
"weather": {
"max_density": 0.052,
"zero_density_height": 113,
"max_density_height": 64,
"uniform": false
}
},
"media_coefficients": {
"air": {
"scattering": [0.033, 0.245, 0.152],
"absorption": [0.065, 0.032, 0.042]
},
"water": {
"scattering": [0.01, 0.13, 0.02],
"absorption": [0.7, 0.017, 0.22]
}
}
}
}
}
viscid moth
and also the biome client file
white willow
tribal trail
You got your rain fog to work?
i did
tribal trail
the game hates me
skill issue
white willow
at this point probably
tribal trail
if your density for air is 0.03, weather density have to be 0.01
white willow
no difference
tribal trail
white willow
its like the weather object isnt working
viscid moth
the game hates me
lmao nope your issue
quick beacon
I'd say check if your JSON syntax is correct
viscid moth
lmao nope your issue
that's the your same fog when rained
white willow
so theres something wrong with my game
viscid moth
so theres something wrong with my game
no i am saying we have the same behavior
white willow
idk where its wrong at
viscid moth
blud what i decreased fog density and it got denser ;-:
ther's smth wrong with your fog
white willow
😭
i literally have no idea what i did wrong
the fog file ive been using was mojangs example file just repasted
what
this may be the problem right here
its also telling me biomes that exist in the game are not allowed
but they function correctly in game
i dont understand
white willow
I'd say check if your JSON syntax is correct
i dont think that would be the problem since my fog uses the mojang example file
white willow
```json
{
"format_version": "1.21.10",
"minecraft:fog_settings": {
...
welp this didnt work either
sonic canopy
why is your rain glowy
Probably for the same reason why everything is extremely reflective
quick beacon
Quite curious about something
viscid moth
welp this didnt work either
wdym by didn't work?
white willow
wdym by didn't work?
Uh the same issue I've been having is present even with your fog file
At this point there's something wrong with my game
viscid moth
well duh it's on 0.56 i accidentally deleted 0
it should be 0.056
wait what tf even my game is broken now
tribal trail
QuirkyPlague is dumb
white willow
yes i am
tribal trail
viscid moth
wait nvm it got fixed the game was dumb
white willow
yeah ive double and triple checked my fog json at this point. theres no error nothing wrong with it
viscid moth
latest working weather fog dropped
white willow
wait. its not updating my stuff. i changed values around its the same despite the fact ive changed the fog json
its like my pack isnt in development resources and its using like a base un updated pack
my game is literally bugging
i just changed my fog to a completely different color and its still green
viscid moth
if it's not working for you just enjoy this screen shot 😋
viscid moth
i just changed my fog to a completely different color and its still green
then the game's not even using the fog then
does the color change work when there's no rain/weather
viscid moth
so the game's not even using the fog then
white willow
im gonna compile this into an mcpack for testing
viscid moth
im gonna compile this into an mcpack for testing
pls do and send it to me
viscid moth
could you send it to me
viscid moth
I think i found what's happening with you and that might be the most stupidest bug
but let me confirm it
@white willow
i found it
i fucking found it
the bug
just rename your jungle_fog.json to jungle.json
viscid moth
it fucking worked for me
white willow
That's actually dumb
viscid moth
That's actually dumb
did that work for you?
viscid moth
viscid moth
here after color change
white willow
Send me your pack
Sent
quick beacon
Thx
viscid moth
quirky u gotta send me some brain cells i lost some of mine after i figured this bug out
white willow
I have none left
long ruin
same
white willow
also fix the bugs in your pack bruh
What bugs
viscid moth
i mean errors
white willow
Oh... yeah the warden one was a test thingy i forgot to remove
No idea why the azalea is happening because it literally doesn't have a texture set yet 💀
viscid moth
No idea why the azalea is happening because it literally doesn't have a texture ...
I fixed your azela bug
white willow
How
viscid moth
i remove those two from blocks.json
white willow
Ah
quick beacon
I'm speechless LOL
white willow
About what
quick beacon
Some guy on my twitter wish that the stuff I show about LD is coming to bedrock
viscid moth
also remove an extra n from the name and file
viscid moth
💀 you haven't check out what bugs says?
white willow
The warden one is as simple as removing an animation from its animation json
white willow
💀 you haven't check out what bugs says?
Honestly I haven't cared about these 💀
viscid moth
Honestly I haven't cared about these 💀
if the game gives you error you gotta fix it lol
my ocd won't stand for it
white willow
I've had the azalea error since I started the pack
Never knew why
I also don't keep error logging on
viscid moth
i don't know the cuz of the error either
viscid moth
I also don't keep error logging on
why not?
white willow
Idk I just don't
viscid moth
you should
white willow
My RTX pack has a bug with uh.... marketplace maps
But there's no error
So I literally do not understand why it happens
viscid moth
My RTX pack has a bug with uh.... marketplace maps
what bug would you say
white willow
One sec
Random blocks have this issue
But there's no errors
And some blocks that I NEVER MADE TEXTURES FOR
are also missing
viscid moth
But there's no errors
you do turn on the error checker right?
white willow
Like all the carpets are missing textures BUT I DONT HAVE TEXTURE SETS FOR THEM YET
white willow
you do turn on the error checker right?
Yup
The only error is the azalea error
And the warden one
It's only on marketplace maps so it's not the biggest deal I guess I just have no idea why it happens
viscid moth
I really can't fix this cuz i can't play rt
white willow
Yeah. I'm honestly not looking to fix it. Others have no idea what's wrong with it either
viscid moth
to guess does it rotate between blocks the texture missing
tribal trail
Some guy on my twitter wish that the stuff I show about LD is coming to bedrock
but it's true