Graphics General

[safe urchin]

Idk

Like the default one

[vague shoal]

Most likely there will be

[tribal trail]

If anyone from Mojang is reading this, I create very nice pbr, choose me

[silent zealot]

Hmmm....this either implies you make bad pbr, Mojang shouldnt choose you, or both

[tribal trail]

[proud pike]

i would buy your pack

[bitter cargo]

feels funny seeing this in the scripting q&a

Another thing that I'd love to expose that is super hard is custom shaders. PlayStation requires that shaders are built into the submission. So we'll have to approach this by providing a physically based materials system where we hard code very flexible shaders.

[sonic canopy]

PlayStation ruined everything

[earnest sierra]

PlayStation ruining the fun smh

[proud pike]

[upper topaz]

yes its true, but can't they make it as a whole seperate build just for playstation just like how they done it for nintendo switch

[mossy verge]

I am unable to understand this

[upper topaz]

i think i remember somewhere someone saying minecraft for nintendo switch has its own seperate build made just for it to pass the nintendo certifications. Am i right?

[sonic canopy]

The thing is, playstation requires to ship pre-compiled shaders with the binary. So you can't activate sideloaded shaders in any way, whether it's a separate build or not

Also playstation shader sdk is proprietary, so we wouldn't be able to compile shaders for it to begin with

[mossy verge]

One of main reasons why we don't have shader support in bedrock edition

[upper topaz]

oh wow i didn't know that :o

[mossy verge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1216671785802797076.webp?size=48

[upper topaz]

yeah what

Reck me with shaders on my face?

[tribal trail]

[vague shoal]

Huh?

[vague shoal]

Who else is hoping cubemaps look good in deferred

Or at least look like Java’s cubemaps

[faint snow]

I honestly don’t care

I just want better water

Reflections are coming

Probably

This preview

Mark my words

[vague shoal]

Bro deferred can have custom clouds with cubemaps

If it’s done correctly

But yeah

I want better water too

But I want it wavy

[faint snow]

I want reflections

It’s been so long

[quasi trench]

preview day today?

:doggysmurkW:

[faint snow]

💀

[vague shoal]

Bro think he have nitro

[vague shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/me-vibin-to-its-been-so-long-gif-26455026

[quasi trench]

i know i dont but saying it anyways is the rule

[vague shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/idiot-lafuddyduddy-rules-follow-the-rules-penguin-gif-16685859

[blazing whale]

I hope deferred will be much better and more features will be added

[faint snow]

I hope it will look like sdgp

[vague shoal]

Hopefully someone will recreate it

I mean all you need is the sky color

The sun texture

And realistic textures

And that cool fog

[faint snow]

No preview today?

😡

[astral hatch]

When Preview?

Ladies and Gentlemen, it is with great honour to announce that it might be preview day

When do Previews usually happen?

Previews usually occur on a Wednesday or Thursday between <t:1703692800:t> and <t:1703700000:t>

Apr 17, 2024, 3:02 PM

[vague shoal]

Minecraft news always spying

[pale urchin]

In case any dev is seeing this, this is a paper outlining the creation of realistic clouds. Perhaps you can take something from this when you get to that point. https://www.guerrilla-games.com/media/News/Files/The-Real-time-Volumetric-Cloudscapes-of-Horizon-Zero-Dawn.pdf

[faint snow]

No preview today

😤😞

[drowsy lantern]

For bedrock or java?

[white willow]

I'd say it doesn't matter the version. Knowing how to make volumetric clouds can be used for any game

Considering the game of reference here is horizon zero dawn

[quasi trench]

preview day tomorrow?

:doggysmurkW:

[pale urchin]

I'm talking about deferred technical preview

[stark harness]

Whats the new defferd features for tomorrow?

[pale urchin]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[vague shoal]

Color grading tomorrow hopefully

Or maybe even PlayStation support

[stark harness]

That it?

[viscid moth]

why is improved input response not available for adaptive sync

[proud pike]

you can turn it on from options.txt if ya really want it

[viscid moth]

I don't want vsync so nvm but just wondering why

[proud pike]

[viscid moth]

Unlike V-Sync which caps your GPU's frame rate to match with your display's refresh rate, Adaptive Sync dynamically changes the monitor's refresh rate in response to the game's required framerates to render.

[bitter cargo]

oh

[earnest sierra]

hey mr. aajabrams!!! I was wondering if you were allow to say whether Bedrock on Switch uses Vulkan or NVN—?

[mossy verge]

Since when they removed colourgrading.json file from renderer?

I didn't notice it

[vague shoal]

Oh dear

[mossy verge]

There used to be an file with just
"{
}"
Inside it

[faint snow]

It’s a teaser

[mossy verge]

I can't confirm if it's removed in this preview

[still zenith]

We relocated it to somewhere more useful 😉

[white willow]

NO WAY

WE CAN DATA DRIVE IT NOW?

[mossy verge]

https://media.discordapp.net/stickers/1124742404407308388.png?size=160

[tribal trail]

:0

[vague shoal]

OH MY

[white willow]

This button is nice too

[mossy verge]

Bro is gonna die out of excitement

[vague shoal]

Nah

I wanna see what people will do with it first

[tribal trail]

Omg we love you! 💖

[white willow]

I'm probably gonna port a lot of the stuff I've been working on to the main pack now

[vague shoal]

Anything else new in this preview for deferred?

[quick beacon]

Hello Aajabrams

[vague shoal]

Still no change log

[still zenith]

Can't wait to see what you all make. The docs should be updated later this morning to explain the data format.

[silent zealot]

the bedrock codebase gh repo is being public?

[still zenith]

haha the colorgrading.json 🙂

[white willow]

Can't wait to cook later. I've already got plans for it haha

[vague shoal]

I wanna see what people can do with color grading first

[quick beacon]

is that the only file that's data-driven?

[white willow]

I've been working on a deferred edit all week. Can't wait to port the actual color changes over at the very least

[vague shoal]

I’ll probably start my pbr pack work today

[white willow]

W

[vague shoal]

If I can ever free some space on this phone I’m using rn

[quick beacon]

I found the values to be very sensitive.

[vague shoal]

Yes I have two iPhones

[white willow]

Yes they are

[vague shoal]

The one I use for discord

And the one I use for deferred

[quick beacon]

I have a setup I tested no so long ago which I am excited to try out :3

[silent zealot]

Damn...just as i was going to release a new update for my pack

[white willow]

I don't think this will be directly replicable

But

I'll see what I can do

[quick beacon]

It should

[mossy verge]

Me still waiting for sss update

[white willow]

Well those shots contain some other changed values as well

This though is something I hope will be possible in the future

Long range point lights

[quick beacon]

Maybe soon?

[white willow]

Hopefully because it looks better

aside from them clipping through walls

[sonic canopy]

Wait is preview out already?

[mossy verge]

Yes

With colour grading

For deferred

Apparantly

[silent zealot]

Fuck me...i just finished porting the textures for my pbr pack

[white willow]

THE BLACK HOLE IS GONE

[vague shoal]

Smokey stack cursing

[vague shoal]

YESSS

[viscid moth]

Lmao same

[long ruin]

W preview

[earnest sierra]

@still zenith Not sure if you’ve seen this but just incase you didn’t

[pale urchin]

Nuke

[sonic canopy]

The operation order is:

1. contrast
2. saturation
3. gain
4. offset
5. gamma

There are also more options I believe

[quick beacon]

shadows?

[sonic canopy]

yup

[pale urchin]

It means those values affect dark parts of the image

[quick beacon]

that makes sense

I don't think that's how they'd handle darker shadows

[sonic canopy]

Increased shadows contrast (by too much, lol)

[quick beacon]

ok so it is that

[vague shoal]

where can i get the code for color grading

[quick beacon]

is this part of the data driven file?

[pale urchin]

Yeah

[vague shoal]

and the other jsons

[sonic canopy]

"Shadows" are relative here tho, it's just means darketr parts of the image

[quick beacon]

@sonic canopy

file

[sonic canopy]

Example color grading config, with default settings used in-game, and fields sorted according to correct operation order (contrast -> saturation -> gain -> offset -> gamma)

{
  "minecraft:color_grading_settings": {
    "description": {
      "identifier": "my_pack:default_color_grading"
    },
    "color_grading": {
      "highlights": {
        "highlightsMin": 1,
        "contrast": [1.3, 1.3, 1.3],
        "saturation": [1.05, 1.05, 1.05],
        "gain": [1.0, 1.0, 1.0],
        "offset": [0.0, 0.0, 0.0],
        "gamma": [2.2, 2.2, 2.2]
      },
      "midtones": {
        "contrast": [1.3, 1.3, 1.3],
        "saturation": [1.05, 1.05, 1.05],
        "gain": [1.0, 1.0, 1.0],
        "offset": [0.0, 0.0, 0.0],
        "gamma": [2.2, 2.2, 2.2]
      },
      "shadows": {
        "shadowsMax": 1,
        "contrast": [1.3, 1.3, 1.3],
        "saturation": [1.05, 1.05, 1.05],
        "gain": [1.0, 1.0, 1.0],
        "offset": [0.0, 0.0, 0.0],
        "gamma": [2.2, 2.2, 2.2]
      }
    },
    "tone_mapping": {
      "operator": "reinhard"
    }
  }
}

[quick beacon]

❤️

[pale urchin]

So what if you want to increase saturation throughout the whole image?

[sonic canopy]

Increase all 3 values

[white willow]

Wait

You can do it with shadows too

[pale urchin]

Oh so no general controls

[white willow]

What is the 1.3 and 1.05 for

[sonic canopy]

Idk, I don't have the schema on me, I just guessed those parameters based on shader code

[vague shoal]

can you make color grading have a warm vibrant color in the deferred world?

[pale urchin]

Yeah

[white willow]

I don't see why not

[tribal trail]

minecraft uwu edition

[pale urchin]

Wait is the sun pink or is that all colour grading?

[tribal trail]

colour grading

[sonic canopy]

Btw the values provided by kayla are the default values used in deferred

[vague shoal]

where can i get global lighting and the other json files

for my pbr pack

do i just make them myself?

[safe urchin]

how does color Grading looks like

[tribal trail]

make them yourself

[vague shoal]

ok

[safe urchin]

[vague shoal]

i can probably just copy and paste the code on the getting started with deferred lighting webpage

into my json files

and go on from there

[safe urchin]

idk what's the difference but looks beautiful

wait

Some dark spots

Yeah

There's a difference

[vague shoal]

i can’t tell the difference in that pic

either

[vague shoal]

minecraft pink glitch: deferred edition

[white willow]

Looks like increased contrast and new tonemap

[pale urchin]

Ok neat so according to the docs, midtone acts as a general control when the other two aren't specified

[proud pike]

^ ^

[sonic canopy]

Btw this config has all of the default values, and they're also orderer according to evaluation order, so imo it's a nice starting point

[proud pike]

ya left aces as the tonemap :P

ah nvm

[sonic canopy]

Already changed

[proud pike]

:P

just saw it again

[silent zealot]

me when veka doesnt pin stuff or make knowledge posts

[sonic canopy]

What have I done

Hold on

[long ruin]

[tribal trail]

slay

[sonic canopy]

dont be so negative

[long ruin]

Lmao

[proud pike]

lmao

[pale urchin]

The World

[sonic canopy]

It's raining black holes today

[proud pike]

lol

[white willow]

Oh my

[sonic canopy]

Tried "fixing" aces

[white willow]

anyways im now on my pc time to cook with color grading

[silent zealot]

[pale urchin]

https://tenor.com/view/dead-i-am-dead-ded-terminator-terminator2-gif-5663820

[white willow]

well im realizing how easy it is to accidentally deep fry the game

it also seems like the shadows modifier is a little weird

[sonic canopy]

FYI midtones are active at 1 so you should keep your shadowsMax in 0-1 range and highlightsMin in 0-infinity range

[white willow]

i havent fully figured out how shadows even really work

[sonic canopy]

How it works is if pixel luminance smaller than shadowsMax it'd use shadows config, for values from shadowsMax to 1 it'd blend from shadows to midtones, for values from 1 to highlightsMin it'd blend from midtones to highlights and for values past highlightsMin it'd just use highlights

[white willow]

contrast go brrrrr

so in the case of this, shadows do get some form of use because when the values were off stuff looked... cursed idk how else to describe it

ok the saturation here is a little wild

there thats better

actually no

[silent zealot]

#1182095383015456829 message 🤨 example says default config...and yet they used the old default. Smh veka lied /s

[vague shoal]

Bro no

That’s perfect

I need it

[pale urchin]

I like the second one more

[vague shoal]

Second one just seems to have no color

[pale urchin]

the first one looks like too much colour

[vague shoal]

And don’t really look like what I’m trying to recreate

The first one does tho

[sonic canopy]

reinhard is the default tonemap btw

[white willow]

yes my whole style is duller colors

but ive found a middle ground

[silent zealot]

I know

[pale urchin]

Awesome

[white willow]

deserts look a little flat rn

but i can fix that with fog changes

[sonic canopy]

Ah you fooled me again

[silent zealot]

I don't see a difference between reinhard_luma and reinhard

[white willow]

reinahrd luma from my testing handles light rays better

[silent zealot]

Also the edges are much softer with reinhard compared to luminance

[sonic canopy]

Here, let me help

[white willow]

ngl underwater kinda slaps with my changes so far

[silent zealot]

God lord man please use dark mode before posting that

I can only handle so much of Cici's light mode

[white willow]

wait since when did reinhard_luma have emissive desaturation. especially to the level of aces

this is very interesting

im not using aces but the emissives look identical to aces

im not complaining im just confused a little lol

every tonemap except reinhard_luminance has this effect now

it looks a lot better this way

[sonic canopy]

They might've adjusted white point. Reinhard luma, luminance and hable have an adjustable white point

Which might be possible to control via one of the configs actually, but idk for sure

[vague shoal]

What is the color grading values for this

[white willow]

idk

[blazing whale]

sorry, how fix this?

[white willow]

not sure

[sonic canopy]

What are your highlightsMin and shadowsMax values?

[sonic canopy]

Try lowering shadowsMax value

[blazing whale]

ok thank

[white willow]

try around 0.35 that value might work nicely

[blazing whale]

It’s not work

[white willow]

hm

[silent zealot]

https://x.com/SmokeyStack_/status/1781116417082839194 A thread of all 5 tonemappers

SmokeyStack (@SmokeyStack_) on X

In the latest #Minecraft Preview, creators were given the ability to change the tonemapper. In this thread, I'll showcase all 5 tonemappers. Tell me which one is your favourite!

Reinhard

Twitter · Apr 19, 2024, 12:23 AM

You know what

[vague shoal]

Currently messing with color grading until I can get what I want

With it

To make it look like this

[blazing whale]

thanks

[safe urchin]

aces just looks perfect

[silent zealot]

Outdoors yes, indoors though...not so much

[quick beacon]

I find shadows to act a bit weird or bright in some cases when I use color grading. Maybe it's just me being stupid.

[mossy verge]

Maybe it's due to auto exposure

[quick beacon]

It seems to be auto exposure doing its magic

[viscid moth]

does anyone know why it's not workin???
does manifest version of the pack has to be 1.21.0.22???

nvm its working now

[tribal trail]

hable on top

[vague shoal]

Can anyone help me recreate this with color grading?

[viscid moth]

does anyone see this btw
there's a line following me

[pale urchin]

@white willow How did you reduce the reflection strength?

[proud pike]

Hable with colour grading honestly looks the best.

[viscid moth]

are you talking about the bug?

[drowsy lantern]

I think it's Cloud reflection

[viscid moth]

nope reflection is off in the screen shot

[white willow]

I reduced sky color values

[white willow]

I've been using reinhard_luma. With how many changes I've made it's hard to tell the difference between all of them EXCEPT for reinhard_luminance

[proud pike]

hmm

[white willow]

Maybe like the way colors are handled is different and that's about it

With point lights I mean

[proud pike]

from what i've seen ACES is the most unique out of all the tonemaps

[viscid moth]

ngl hable and aces looks kinda same to me aces being a more deep fried in a good way

[white willow]

These are with reinhard luma

[proud pike]

nah, aces is far darker than hable

[proud pike]

yeah these are good

[viscid moth]

yeah lol mistake i mean aces

[proud pike]

im gonna try cooking with Hable, to get a neutral preset

[white willow]

Mine is very contrast heavy

Along with desaturated tones

[proud pike]

your sky exposure is on point

love that

[white willow]

I was finally able to mimic prizmas sky fixes

Which helped reduce a lot of issues I had before

It even allows for vol fog to kinda mess with the sky too

[proud pike]

:o

[white willow]

I haven't seen a desert after these changes it probably near matches what I have with RTX for atmosphere now

Now I can start working on different styles now that I have the base color grading style

[stark harness]

What is pbr

[pale urchin]

Physically Based Rendering. A broad term used to say that a render is done based off of real life light mechanics

[silent zealot]

The issue with the subpack system is copying the files over. Especially if you have a main and update_1_21 subpacks. I fortunately have a system that not only solves subpacks but also allows me to organize my pngs into heightmaps, mer, and src files. Much cleaner, and I don't need to write the JSON files for each png

[graceful iron]

How do I use color grading and stuff in my pack?

Do I just copy over the color grading json file from default deferred and put it /lighting?

[silent zealot]

Check the docs. Example file is pinned in this channel

[graceful iron]

Ty

[earnest sierra]

I wonder if this is just an iOS thing
Left: With Volumetrics fog
Right: Without Volumetrics fog

Pretty sure it’s the same with any fog

[slate shuttle]

Hey, guys i have question, i am somehow able to make water less light blue and mroe dark blue?

[white willow]

not at the moment no

[long ruin]

Womp womp

[slate shuttle]

ohh ok

[sonic canopy]

aaj mentioned that vl fog is currently not energy conserving, so this might be the cause

[white willow]

Unless the images are wrong, the images with fog have more fps

[vague shoal]

Yep I’m experiencing this

[tribal trail]

Beat this

[proud pike]

I like a challenge.

lemme cook

[proud pike]

what tonemap is this?

Hable?

[tribal trail]

yes

[proud pike]

hmm alright

[white willow]

Arc vs Alegzzis moment

[proud pike]

[white willow]

If I didn't have so much work I'd get cooking on some other visual styles

[proud pike]

in me messing about, i got this cool retro style effect

ill try building upon this later

[white willow]

Woah

[proud pike]

the farther colours get unsaturated

:o

[white willow]

Looks so weird but also cool

[proud pike]

much more pronounced

legal flashbang

[earnest sierra]

me when flashbang

[proud pike]

real

accidentally made it too retro :P

[blazing whale]

You use gamma (1.0, 1.0, 1.0)?

[proud pike]

no

[pale urchin]

https://tenor.com/view/think-fast-chuckelnuts-funny-memes-picture-gif-25434609

[earnest sierra]

oop

[white willow]

That's pretty clean

[proud pike]

hol up, im still cooking

[white willow]

Nether

[proud pike]

also any idea how I can fix this horrible colour banding?

in the sky

[white willow]

I haven't figured it out yet

[proud pike]

hmm

[white willow]

Not sure if it's something with my shadows settings or my highlights

[proud pike]

i see

[white willow]

Mine is only really bad at like sunset tho so it's not a huge issue for me

But I'm sure I'll run into it when I start cooking more

[proud pike]

its bad...

real bad

bruh

[tribal trail]

hah

[tribal trail]

ig i won

[proud pike]

its alright but the banding is wack

[proud pike]

[tribal trail]

i get bending sometimes too, but not as much

[proud pike]

im trying to fix it

one main cause seems to be gamma

[white willow]

Try decreasing the shadowmax

[proud pike]

lowering that in favour of gain is better

[proud pike]

ill try

[white willow]

I use a 0.35 shadowmax

[sonic canopy]

shadowmax should be between 0 and 1, the closer it is to 1 the harsher transition will be. It can also be negative technically, but there is no reason to do that since you can get the same exact results by setting it to 0 and tweaking other values to be less strong

highlightsMin should be higher than 1, the closer it is to 1 the harsher transition will be

[pale urchin]

And at 1 you get this

[proud pike]

I see

me likey

no blown out emmissives

yay

that does it.

@tribal trail how does it look now

[silent zealot]

Grass is shiny

[pale urchin]

Sometimes grass do be like that

[proud pike]

rel

me likey a lot

even more

[blazing whale]

Look good

[proud pike]

uh oh, aces looks crisper

reinhard looks alright

reinhard_luma is alright

[pale urchin]

I like this one

[proud pike]

hm

reinhard luminance looks ass

Hable looks the best imo

its the most balanced of the tonemaps

minor adjustments

@tribal trail did I cook?

[pale urchin]

You guys sure like fog

[proud pike]

i sure do

:)

[long ruin]

I like smog

[proud pike]

i like not being able to see shit

[long ruin]

Same

[proud pike]

whoa clouds actually blocked light shafts?

first time noticing this

thats cool

[pale urchin]

One of the first things I've noticed

[proud pike]

:p

[pale urchin]

But never as crisp as that

[proud pike]

what can I say

I cooked.

this scene would look great with WaterSSR

can't wait

oops

is my sun about to explode?

its getting bigger

im gonna try some render dist shenanigans :)

I may or may not have broken something

it works :)

I may have done something crazy.

[white willow]

Oh no what

[proud pike]

DH on Bedrock anyone?

[white willow]

Oh no

[proud pike]

I cooked

and it works

i can probably go farther.

256 render dist soon

[long ruin]

Hows the fps

[proud pike]

20

fps

[long ruin]

[proud pike]

[pale urchin]

on 128?

[proud pike]

yes

[pale urchin]

And what about 24?

As a baseline

[proud pike]

every deferred setting is maxed

[proud pike]

90 to 110

[long ruin]

Same

[long ruin]

Even the volumetric fog?

[proud pike]

no that is on high :P

[long ruin]

Ah

[pale urchin]

Bedrock's normal max is 96. How's that?

[proud pike]

options.txt

deferred_viewdistance

[pale urchin]

No I mean how's the FPS

on 96

[proud pike]

ah

hold on ill check

btw ram usage at 128 chunks

surprised its so low

2.7 GB of GPU mem used

testing 96 chunks atm

will try 256 after this

[proud pike]

this is on a mobile 1660 Ti and a dying i5 9300H, someone with better specs is more than welcome to try this

[white willow]

I definitely can later

[proud pike]

be wary, it takes a while for the game to start generating chunks

[proud pike]

itll look like this for a while

[white willow]

But considering the fact I get like 24 on 96 I don't think deferred will be good

Then again tho I am using 1440p on a non 1440p card

[vague shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/overheat-computer-explosion-boom-spark-gif-17323916

[proud pike]

ill be fine

5 fps should be ok

aaja is probably looking at this and sighing.

[white willow]

Breaking the game for fun moment

[proud pike]

real

[white willow]

I remember when I was making this platforming game it had bouncy walls right

[proud pike]

yea

[white willow]

For fun I turned up the wall bounce velocity and it was so broken

But really funny

[proud pike]

lol

[white willow]

Until it went so fast that I clipped through the wall

[proud pike]

waiting for chunks to gen

[proud pike]

rel

the moon is peaking through the void :)

[white willow]

Good ole platformer made with JS and HTML lol

[proud pike]

@pale urchin same fps, 96 chunk render dist

time to try 256

[pale urchin]

Can you find at what point the FPS stops at 20?

[proud pike]

so real

[proud pike]

im very definitely limited by my thermal throttling CPU, so it won't be very accurate.

[proud pike]

:P

the clouds are transparent.

real

nvm its fixed itself

L java players, native 256 Chunk render distance (there might be a hard limit from what i can see.)

@pale urchin

[long ruin]

Bet

[proud pike]

minecraft is using less RAM at 256 render dist

💀

[white willow]

What the hell

[proud pike]

bedrock moment

this just looks crazy

another crazy thing happened

i have it on video

hold on

[white willow]

DH without LOD

Not quite sure how the performance compares tho

[proud pike]

i mean Bedrock does have an LOD esque rendering

[white willow]

Yeah just not like DH

[proud pike]

true

[earnest sierra]

huh

[proud pike]

maybe its not possible on phones :P

[earnest sierra]

Probably

But that’s really weird

[proud pike]

[white willow]

Phones look to cap out at their vanilla max

And I think pc also hard caps at 96

[proud pike]

im sending something cursed

[proud pike]

nah

far past that

prolly around 128 to 156

[earnest sierra]

Last time I tried, I could go past the max render distance with the options.txt file

[proud pike]

or beyond

[earnest sierra]

Pretty sure it’s over 96 for pc

[white willow]

I see. Ik my phone can't go above 17 rd even with the changes

[proud pike]

almost done uploading

i love slow internet

[white willow]

Normal on the left deferred on the right. Normal at 17rd deferred at 24 cap out at the same distance

[earnest sierra]

iirc mc on my phone crashes after it loads over 32 chunks

[proud pike]

I CAN LITERALLY DRAW CHUNKS (NO JOKE)

call me the Chunk Artist lmfao

@white willow

look at this

[white willow]

WHAT

that's wild

[proud pike]

fr

[earnest sierra]

It’s better with a spyglass xD

[proud pike]

lol

[white willow]

pretty cool. would probably run better if i wasnt on 1440p

[vague shoal]

Looks like distant horizons

[graceful iron]

crispy.

[proud pike]

real

[proud pike]

256?

[safe urchin]

omg

me want

[tribal trail]

Looks sexy

If you have time, compare it with mine

you can find the new version on my diwcord

[bitter cargo]

iris and distant horizons

[white willow]

96

[earnest sierra]

uh oh

Deferred completely broke for me

[proud pike]

Oof

[proud pike]

I'll give it a shot when I get back to my house

[tribal trail]

no shit sherlock

How did you manage to discover this?

Moreover, giving the grass a variety roughness makes it have much more depth

looks less plastic and cheap

same with leaves

[white willow]

These look great. My leaves I think I gotta redo them again, they look to flat rn

[proud pike]

Absolutely, they look great

[graceful iron]

got a project working (auto generated heightmaps)

[vague shoal]

Please mojang please add wavy water to deferred

Like better rtx

[pale urchin]

They said they'll do it won't they?

[vague shoal]

Really?

[faint snow]

They did

[vague shoal]

I only suggested it to them

But in rtx you have to get real close to see it waving

[faint snow]

I thought it’s not waving

[vague shoal]

I meant like this

Where you can see it waving

[pale urchin]

That's BRTX though

Not normal RTX

[vague shoal]

They can’t do something similar for deferred?

[faint snow]

Normal rtx water is flat

[vague shoal]

Yeah

[faint snow]

It’s not waving

[pale urchin]

Sure they can

[vague shoal]

Yayyyy

Can’t wait for that

Also I found a good cubemap for my pbr pack

When cubemap support comes

[faint snow]

Current water is eye bleaching

[vague shoal]

Deferred Water looks like it’s dirty pool water

[faint snow]

Can’t they change its colour to dark blue

[vague shoal]

Without reflections

[vague shoal]

Some pbr packs have made it dark blue I think

[faint snow]

Yeah but it’s tricky

[viscid moth]

lmao

[silent zealot]

[bitter cargo]

hell yeah

ore ui

the future

[viscid moth]

it's not ore ui lol
it was caused by me loading a random shader

[bitter cargo]

oh

still going to point out the weird button placement and optimisation issues

ore ui

yippie

[silent zealot]

@quick beacon FYI, you misspelled reinhard luminance

[silent zealot]

{
    "minecraft:color_grading_settings": {
        "description": {
            "identifier": "smokey_pbr:default_color_grading"
        },
        "color_grading": {
            "midtones": {
                "contrast": [
                    0.0,
                    0.0,
                    0.0
                ],
                "gain": [
                    0.0,
                    0.0,
                    0.0
                ],
                "gamma": [
                    0.0,
                    0.0,
                    0.0
                ],
                "offset": [
                    -1.0,
                    -1.0,
                    -1.0
                ],
                "saturation": [
                    0.0,
                    0.0,
                    0.0
                ]
            },
            "highlights": {
                "highlightsMin": 1.0,
                "contrast": [
                    0.0,
                    0.0,
                    0.0
                ],
                "gain": [
                    0.0,
                    0.0,
                    0.0
                ],
                "gamma": [
                    0.0,
                    0.0,
                    0.0
                ],
                "offset": [
                    -1.0,
                    -1.0,
                    -1.0
                ],
                "saturation": [
                    0.0,
                    0.0,
                    0.0
                ]
            },
            "shadows": {
                "shadowsMax": 0.1,
                "contrast": [
                    0.0,
                    0.0,
                    0.0
                ],
                "gain": [
                    0.0,
                    0.0,
                    0.0
                ],
                "gamma": [
                    0.0,
                    0.0,
                    0.0
                ],
                "offset": [
                    -1.0,
                    -1.0,
                    -1.0
                ],
                "saturation": [
                    0.0,
                    0.0,
                    0.0
                ]
            }
        }
    }
}
``` this will make your screen black

[quick beacon]

😔 I was sleepy when I dids it

[silent zealot]

Is colour grading per biome possible?

[quick beacon]

Not yet AFAIK. The identifiers aren't used rn (iirc based on Aaja's message)

[silent zealot]

Red nether

[sonic canopy]

Just wait until scripting support

Not sure why the devs dislike client side apis so much, but seems like BP will be necessary to make anything somewhat advanced and dynamic with deferred

[pale urchin]

I still doubt that scripting will be the main way to go here. I'm thinking more like how biome fog is currently handled

[sonic canopy]

Personally, I'm not as optimistic

If it wasn't a vanilla feature, and it was being added now rather than before scripting, do you think they would've added per-biome client side definition?

[silent zealot]

WHat?

#1210247927885340692 message

[sonic canopy]

Current fog implementation is still very restrictive, on the client side you only get per-biome control and nothing more, scripting and commands are still required to get anything close to being dynamic. You'd think client side feature like this could benifit from more client side control, such as data driven molang fields and dynamic activation, but nope.

[pale urchin]

My money is still on a fog like approach. color grading is something only available for deferred so it would be weird if it had its own scripting API imo

[sonic canopy]

Color grading is the one thing that would benifit from APIs tho, it'd allow to apply effects based on some events that happen in add-ons, such as an explosion or some kind of magic weapon that paints your screen purple, or a spectator functionality. Maybe color grading configs would even be able to stack together, like fogs or animations

[silent zealot]

Maybe once Beta APIs are 99% stable(ie slow stream of new APIs), HCF is dead and custom biomes have returned, then they'll focus on client side

[earnest sierra]

hopefully

[sonic canopy]

on client side scripting you mean

[pale urchin]

Honestly I think they'd just add the color grading stuff to fog

[sonic canopy]

I hope not, fog stack is so painful to control

[pale urchin]

I know, but that only means they should improve that system

[sonic canopy]

Forgot fog identifier? Guess you're now stuck with fog forever

[pale urchin]

We need a fog stack API

[sonic canopy]

And a remove, list or clear command

[sonic canopy]

Alright, after careful consideration and reading some qna posts I agree here, they'll most likely add per biome control. But that's it, everything else will have to be controlled from the server side, just like with fogs.

[silent zealot]

Yes, context clues

[sonic canopy]

Man, I was so excited for molang support. But ig some features can't be added because they're way too useful and will overshadow other features.

[pale urchin]

The more I think about it, the more I think customizing color grading for gameplay stuff like maps doesn't seem as useful as it could be. It's strictly a deferred feature so a more general purpose post processing system is needed

[silent zealot]

Damn, ACES is so dark in nighttime

[sonic canopy]

Wouldn't deferred grading also work on low dynamic range color output during regular gameplay? I agree that a more flexible system is needed, but couldn't they also enable deferred one to be used outside of deferred pipeline?

[pale urchin]

tone mapping definitely wouldn't work as expected because like you said, low dynamic range. The others could work well though, but without HDR, 🤔

[silent zealot]

That's...interesting...where is the light coming from who knows

[pale urchin]

I love light leaks 🙃

[sonic canopy]

We have a rule against leaks

Someone is getting banned

[white willow]

Lmao

[silent zealot]

Veka -> Veak ->Leak

Yup youre banned

God, I love ACES but indoors or night time sucks

Reinhard luminanve is vetter for night time and indoors for me

[rocky halo]

Maybe it’s a little broken but this is beautiful

[vague shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/caseoh-gif-3944837017366223108

[sonic canopy]

{
  "minecraft:color_grading_settings": {
    "description": {
      "identifier": "veka:color_grading"
    },
    "color_grading": {
      "highlights": {
        "highlightsMin": 4096,
        "contrast": [1, 1, 1],
        "saturation": [1, 1, 1],
        "gain": [0.000244140625, 0.000244140625, 0.000244140625], // 1/4096
        "offset": [0.0, 0.0, 0.0],
        "gamma": [2.2, 2.2, 2.2]
      },
      "midtones": {
        "contrast": [1, 1, 1],
        "saturation": [1, 1, 1],
        "gain": [1, 1, 1],
        "offset": [0.0, 0.0, 0.0],
        "gamma": [2.2, 2.2, 2.2]
      },
      "shadows": {
        "shadowsMax": 0.000244140625, // 1/4096
        "contrast": [1, 1, 1],
        "saturation": [1, 1, 1],
        "gain": [4096, 4096, 4096],
        "offset": [0.0, 0.0, 0.0],
        "gamma": [2.2, 2.2, 2.2]
      }
    },
    "tone_mapping": {
      "operator": "aces"
    }
  }
}

Tried creating color grading preset that'd normalize luminance of colors, but it didn't work for some reason

[silent zealot]

My water normal maps still look ass 😩

[sonic canopy]

the idea was to create a gain curve that'd be inversely proportional to luminnace, so that when multiplied with pixel color, it'd set its luminance to average luminance, so basically color/luminance(color) but something doesn't seem right here, either color grading doesn't work the way I think it does, or something is broken

I checked the uniform values with gpu debugger, and they're not getting clamped or anything, color grading shader should receive them with full precision. I'm kinda lost as to why it doesn't work, anyone has any ideas?

[white willow]

that highlights number is crazy

[sonic canopy]

Waiiit, I get it now. 1/x is a non-linear function, so when inverse of luminance is interpolated linearly, it doesn't cancel out.

Managed to achieve desired effect with contrast and saturation

In case if anyone doesn't know what this is, here every color has (almost) the same perceptual brightness, and if you multiply it by a monochrome image (saturation=0), you get a full color image. So if monochrome displays just brightness, the above screenshot displays just color, and when combined they give you a complete image

[silent zealot]

Does global.json global mer actually work or am I going insane

[white willow]

i tested it a few days ago and it was working

[silent zealot]

I set it to #00FF00 and nothing is glowing

[white willow]

try 0,255,0

[sonic canopy]

The docs are a bit incorrect

[silent zealot]

Veka is typing, let's see what he has to say

[silent zealot]

A bit is an understatement really

[sonic canopy]

Ah wait, they fixed it for global MERS

Nvm, example is still wrong

[silent zealot]

Haha, so what is the correct example?

[sonic canopy]

This one

[blazing whale]

Beautiful

[silent zealot]

So it needs to be an array not a hex

[sonic canopy]

It all needs to be in a pbr object, that's the important part

Idk about hex, didn't test it

[silent zealot]

Isnt that what the docs do?

[sonic canopy]

Look at example global.json

[silent zealot]

Yeah...it's the same?

[sonic canopy]

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/minecraft/creator/documents/deferredlighting?view=minecraft-bedrock-stable#key-frame-json-syntax

This one is wrong

It's the first json with global values on that docs page

[silent zealot]

🙃 so then why is my entities not glowing?

Please just tell me it's a spelling mistake or something

[sonic canopy]

Do they have a MER texture set already?

[silent zealot]

Oh my god do you need them?

[sonic canopy]

Nope

[silent zealot]

🙃 so why my horsey not glowey

[sonic canopy]

Idk, it worked for me when I tried it

[sonic canopy]

Managed to get it working?

[viscid moth]

horses don't even load texture sets
so no surprise that global has no effect

[sonic canopy]

{
  "format_version": [1, 0, 0],
  "pbr": {
    "actors": {
      "global_metalness_emissive_roughness": "#00ffff"
    }
  }
}

I do get this tho for some reason

[hoary tendon]

Could it possibly be because that spider is brighter than the sun

😂

[sonic canopy]

Nah doubt it

[silent zealot]

Works with horses and wardens?

[sonic canopy]

Didn't check

[silent zealot]

I think I like the water

[slate shuttle]

wait thats water?!

thats sick!

[vague shoal]

“New render dragon features for creators has been taken out of experimental and is available to everyone, thank you for the feedback on this new feature”

I wait for the day we get this text in a stable change log

[white willow]

Oh that's an interesting normal. Pretty clean

[pale urchin]

Does that have some roughness? You could make it perfectly reflective you know

[silent zealot]

64, 0, 64

[pale urchin]

Ah, but then again

You won't see point light specular blobs when its perfectly reflective

[pale urchin]

Oh it has some metalness to it

You could reduce roughness imo though

[silent zealot]

Yeah, i haven't touched the MER. The metalness was added pre reflections

I wonder if dynamic mer values would be useful, especially for foliage, some of them appear "wet" by being a bit more metallic

[white willow]

Mine I think uses 15 roughness so some specular still comes through but the sky still reflects nicely

[proud pike]

ill test out how many of the preview's deferred features have made their way into 1.20.80

whenever it actually releases on ms store :p

[safe urchin]

240p resolution lmao

[silent zealot]

Incredible, ender chest gets affected

[proud pike]

1.20.80 (Release) does not have colour grading support.

water's sky reflections are working.

we have point light shadows in release now

its a fairly updated build of deferred, probably just behind 1.21.20.22

[silent zealot]

Works as Intended?

But...it isn't a full block

[proud pike]

broken in release 1.20.80 too

[sonic canopy]

It's not a point light either

[long ruin]

We had those previously, just not a quality slider dedicated to them

[vague shoal]

I hope deferred will come to stable this or next year

Officially

[proud pike]

they didn't work in release?

[long ruin]

For me they did

Just buggy

[proud pike]

i had tested this in 1.20.60 and 1.20.70

[long ruin]

Hmm

I'll try it out before updating

I'll send a ss

[proud pike]

i had no slider nor did it have shadows

[long ruin]

Yeah it didn't have a slider

[proud pike]

working as intended in 1.20.80

[silent zealot]

I have it as a point light, or is this to Arctrometa?

[proud pike]

its set to a point light in prizma too

[sonic canopy]

I meant that it's too large to be a point light

[silent zealot]

Zooming out works

[white willow]

I disabled the point light on mine due to this

[long ruin]

1.20.73

[proud pike]

hmm

weird

it didn't work for me

i tested it in 1.20.71

[long ruin]

Hmmmmm

[proud pike]

that shouldn't really matter

[long ruin]

[proud pike]

ill try it again later

[silent zealot]

Man, ACES sucks for night time lights

[white willow]

flashbang crashed my game

[white willow]

alright uhhh i feel kinda dumb rn but ive been looking for the file for the short grass for so long now and cannot find it

this little guy

whats the name of it

[silent zealot]

Fern or tallgrass?

[white willow]

the weird thing is i have double tall grass and stuff. but i cant find the singular grass piece

i wanted to apply mer to it and at first i figured it would have just used the double_plant_tall_grass_top

but it doesnt

here the double tall grass has a heightmap and stuff but the shorter grass doesnt and i literally cannot find the file for it

welp i found it

im just... dumb

[long ruin]

[silent zealot]

Care to share?

[white willow]

i didnt think to search up tallgrass

and i sat around trying to find short grass and grass

not realizing that im pretty sure its called short grass on java

[viscid moth]

wth

[white willow]

my brain

anyways yeah i found what i was looking for

[viscid moth]

smh it's the grass block and tall grass which is one block tall
and double_plant_grass which is two blocks tall smh 💀

[white willow]

there we go. they both have heightmaps now

[quasi trench]

ooo grassy grass on grass in grasslands biome

[white willow]

ok sooooo

i just found out something really

REALLLLY cool

i just did pbr for the chest right

the pbr appears on the chest in your hand

[viscid moth]

lol

it means all block entites should have pbr

[white willow]

i just find it really cool that it works in your hand

[viscid moth]

ender chest works too

[white willow]

seeing this makes me hope item pbr will work in the hand

even within item frames

crazy

[viscid moth]

they said they are working on it
but what you are seeing is just entity pbr

bc they rendering as an entity

also the decorated pot is glitched

in hand

[white willow]

im just not used to items that im holding having heightmaps and such lol

very cool that it works that way though

[tribal trail]

Slay

[sonic canopy]

What do you think we'll get today? Imo we're definitely getting a fix for aces on Android, and maybe improved SSS.

[viscid moth]

may the ssr will be added?

nvm SSS is gonna come first but i expect bug fixes for entity pbr

[sonic canopy]

What are the bugs again? Warden and horses?

[sonic canopy]

Imo that's unlikely, there's still no trace of SSR code in android shaders

[sonic canopy]

Or in any shaders, afaik it's just on windows in water

[sonic canopy]

Ahh, I see

So besides those, and global PBR issues with horses and warden, there are no other issues?

[viscid moth]

chain glowing randomly bug

[viscid moth]

also the sun not following the official keyframes in global.json

[sonic canopy]

The current logic behind keyframes is that each celestial body follows its own relative time. Although, have anyone even asked devs if this is intended behavior or not?

[tribal trail]

i would kill them if they would change it

[viscid moth]

i don't think that's intended at all
we asked for a fix for the og keyframe bug
they didn't fix it
instead they got around this by changing the documentation

[tribal trail]

i made my sun perfect

[sonic canopy]

It'd be easy to change tho

[tribal trail]

ofc, but i'm lazy

[viscid moth]

lmao

[tribal trail]

and why should they change it, it's different, but it doesn't make anything harder

[viscid moth]

or just document it
the documentation is saying it's the same for all objects confuses people

[tribal trail]

if they changed the documentation, it either means it was intended but the documentation was incorrect, or it wasn't intended but they don't want to change it

[quick beacon]

wdym by this?

[viscid moth]

the documentation says:

but even the sun uses reverse key frames in the documentation

why would you want 100k illuminance from the sun in midnight
and 1 at noon if you take the documentation correct

[tribal trail]

tbh those key frames make more sense for sun and moon

[quick beacon]

sun and moon use the same keyframe set from my test. Both start at 0.0 and end at 1.0

[viscid moth]

huh

[quick beacon]

Yea

[quick beacon]

I think this is mainly for atmospherics.json

because sunset is at 0.75 not 0.25 in global.json, but in atmospherics.json sunset is 0.25

[tribal trail]

yea

[viscid moth]

technically right but 0.75 being the sun set only applies to the sun object
moon uses the same keyframe system as the atomspherics

also they did comment this in the docs

and it's wrong

[viscid moth]

also reflections sky box bugs with sun glare bug

[sonic canopy]

The issue is that it's too bright?

[viscid moth]

no it's that the bigger the glare shape the bigger the issue is
my 0.4.9 uses 5 for sun illuminance and it cause the bugs due to the mie and glare shape being very big

[tribal trail]

I still believe that reflections should not be that much visible on non-metallic blocks

[viscid moth]

do you mean low roughness blocks

[viscid moth]

oh that's just a bug

[tribal trail]

it should reflect sky because it's very reflective block, but not that much in my opinion

[sonic canopy]

What if you look at it over the sky instead of grass

The issue could be that reflections don't consider whether the sky can actually be reflected at that point or if it's being blocked by some geometry. SSR might potentially help with that

[viscid moth]

it have like this weird color tinting

[tribal trail]

help but not eliminate

[tribal trail]

this is rough sky reflection

[viscid moth]

still looks weird

[tribal trail]

complementary reimagined for this reason only shows sky reflections on water

[viscid moth]

is there any way to fix this

[tribal trail]

this is why i'm saying this all the time

and I don't know if it's possible, but objects shaded by the shadowmap should not reflect the sun

[sonic canopy]

But then you wouldn't get this

[viscid moth]

I think I can sacrifice this

[sonic canopy]

Just wait till we get SSR, it might just solve all the problems

[viscid moth]

big glare shape vs small glare shape using the same brightness

[viscid moth]

ofc I am waiting

[tribal trail]

I didn't say they should be removed, just reduce

[tribal trail]

but they should be definitely removed from almost completely rough blocks

there should be a roughness threshold from which sky reflections are visible

[tribal trail]

I don't think it will fix the problem, as the name says, SSR is a screenspace and does not always have information about what to reflect

On the contrary, ssr often has no idea what it should reflect, especially on the sides of the blocks

although tbh I wonder if mojang could implement 360 ssr

[quick beacon]

I don't expect anything major or big. Probs some fixes and improvements to some things

[sonic canopy]

Yeah, but specular reflections are the strongest when looking at the surface at an angle, and when looking at it at an angle there's also way more chance of capturing data on screen that would be reflected by SSR

[viscid moth]

also there's also a vol fog bug/ visual glitch

[tribal trail]

yeah, but still, ssr will not fix this

or this

[tribal trail]

I know this will probably hide the problem a bit, but I still don't think it will fix it

[sonic canopy]

Ig we'll have to wait and see

[tribal trail]

Besides, what is the problem with reducing sky reflections on very rough blocks?

there is almost no benefit to them being there

[sonic canopy]

Energy conservation is a big thing in PBR, it should work according to the correct math, like I believe it does now, but if you start adding or removing energy then your PBR model becomes inaccurate, which can introduce problems later, or cause graphics devs at mojang to experience nightmares at night, knowing that they committed such a terrible (in graphics dev) crime

Fog in deferred currently is not energy conserving, which causes it to be brighter than it should. Irradiance caching in BRTX is not energy conserving, which causes it to gain energy out of nowhere. Bad things happen when fundamental rules of nature are broken

[tribal trail]

how it will help here

[sonic canopy]

In the first pic, wet dirt is supposed to reflect the sky?

[quick beacon]

Didn't Aaja say that they fixed something with fog this week?

[sonic canopy]

I think they're supposed to fix it today

[quick beacon]

Yea, that's what I meant

But what would the fix do? I am not wizard like you ^^'

[sonic canopy]

Looks fine to me, if you assume that there's a bright sky just behind you, it looks just the way it should

[quick beacon]

I can't remember what he said

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[viscid moth]

is it this bug?

[sonic canopy]

Will probably make it about 3 times less bright

Or maybe not, idk for sure, we'll know in a few hours

[quick beacon]

" that drastically improves light ray intensity"

[tribal trail]

Would it be possible?

[sonic canopy]

Is that an afterimage of changing the time of date or transitioning fog?

[tribal trail]

I wish we could have this

it looks soo cool

[sonic canopy]

Yeah but it would be slower than regular SSR, or have artefacts. They'll have to render the game 6 more times every frame, or render it once every frame but update the reflections cubemap every 6 frames, which will cause stuttering, or they'll update just one side every frame which will cause artefacts and stuttering

[viscid moth]

when you turn your head
it takes time for the fog to settle in

[quick beacon]

idk what is the best way to do reflections

[tribal trail]

this would be nice as an additional option for pc

[sonic canopy]

rat racing

[viscid moth]

Remy vs Jerry vs Splinter??

jerry is a mouse tho

[quick beacon]

ok, fair but what about non RTX

[tribal trail]

RTX is a gpu name

[quick beacon]

:)

[tribal trail]

but it's true

[sonic canopy]

Probably SSR then. As much as everyone hates it, there is a reason why most java shaders are using it. But imo spherical harmonics are also insanely good for rough reflections, global illumination and volumetric lighting. I wanna make a shader to demonstrate what you can do with them.

[quick beacon]

I never had any issue with SSR on Java. Why do people dislike it?

[sonic canopy]

Can't reflect things offscreen ig

[quick beacon]

But how's that a problem?

Isn't that like super performant?

[sonic canopy]

And an awkward transition from things that you can rfelect to things that you can't

[quick beacon]

Oohhh

[sonic canopy]

Also it can have artefacts

[quick beacon]

I'd take that honestly

my opinion though.

[tribal trail]

i woud like SSR in general and ultra setting for pc with 360 SSR

I loved this in java shader

[tribal trail]

If anyone from Mojang is reading this, I beg you

[quasi trench]

preview day today?

:doggysmurkW:

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[long ruin]

[mossy verge]

According to ender they even removed it on windows

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/975677387419295754.webp?size=48

[sonic canopy]

In latest preview?

That explains a few things

[mossy verge]

3 days ago

[sonic canopy]

RIP SSR, they'll probably add it after water shading is out

[quick beacon]

what is water shading

[sonic canopy]

The new water

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how does it look like?

[mossy verge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/975677387419295754.webp?size=48

[sonic canopy]

Latest screenshots that we have from endermanyk look very bad lol, it's very early in development

[tribal trail]

Show us

[quick beacon]

Oh

[quasi trench]

at least its been well over a month since

maybe it’s cooking now

or.. steaming

[viscid moth]

may be they burned it

[long ruin]

Lmao

[proud pike]

they removed it from the windows preview too

[proud pike]

this is pretty old

now even this isn't in the game anymore

they must have seen these leaked and totally wiped them for the release versions of the preview

[white willow]

Villagers texture doesn't break anymore. Not sure if you can apply texture set to them now or not

[sonic canopy]

They also changed the pass name from full_screen_draw to absorption, which makes me think that they actually removed it for good

[proud pike]

[sonic canopy]

Although idk how you can do absorption without access to framebuffer sampler