Graphics General

[safe urchin]

[white willow]

The shadows and the lag I'm not sure as I haven't had those issues occur

[safe urchin]

those are android issues maybe

I didn't see it on windows

[white willow]

The shadow thing is common across all platforms from what I know. It's a thing with shadow bias

Not much anyone can really do about it though

[safe urchin]

these lines

in windows too ?

[safe urchin]

oh

ok

[white willow]

Hmmmm seems like it may be an android issue as I'm not having it on my phone

Still not much can be done either way

[white willow]

This looks a lot like the mali shadow bug

[safe urchin]

I had it even on previous versions

But it was lighter

Now it's more noticeable

[white willow]

Hm. Yeah there's always been those little lines like that but never that bad

Unless your phone had a mali gpu

[safe urchin]

Deferred on ios is well optimized more than android

[white willow]

Other than the fact the game can't run above 60fps on iOS for some reason

Probably an Apple thing idk

[blazing whale]

Yes but i use low quality shadow not have line shadow bug

[naive solstice]

Disable vsync

[white willow]

That's the thing

It is off

It's like hard capped at 60

[long ruin]

Same when I used a vsync disabler pack on Xbox

Still stayed at 60

I'm curious on why they removed the Vysnc Toggle from the video settings

It was available in the 1.20.30 or .40 previews

Then got removed

[sonic canopy]

Does that still happen if you set find to midnight?

[viscid moth]

what is happening with with copper grate block

left is copper grate and right is copper block using copper grate texture

[sonic canopy]

Subsurface scattering maybe?

[viscid moth]

how?
it uses the same PBR map as the copper block
it has been bugged since the grate block was added

maybe I am missing something here

[sonic canopy]

Since currently subsurface scattering is hardcoded for specific blocks, maybe it was also added to copper grate by mistake

Subsurface scattering is mutually exclusive with metalness, so that'd explain why metal channel does nothing

[viscid moth]

this softening issue of the color
has been happening since the beginning

but we'll see if this will get fixed when SSS is customizable

[sonic canopy]

Ah

[viscid moth]

colors just get really soft

[sonic canopy]

I think RTX also has issues with that block, it gets treated as glass and refracts light.

[viscid moth]

yeah

they might be using glass block in blocks.json
will see changing it helps anything

huh?

[sonic canopy]

Waait

That almost sounds like copper grate is data driven? 👀

[viscid moth]

yo????

[silent zealot]

Or could be the result of experimental toggle like how 1.21 entity components cannot be used by creators

[tribal trail]

yes

[faint snow]

I would rather have fake sun rays with no eye bleaching fog

[white willow]

For me it depends. Fog done right looks great. I need to redo a lot of my fog now that I have better knowledge on how it works

[dark wyvern]

Sorry if i am onterupting anything but
can somone tell me where I can download bedrock shaders (for pc) safely? I have seen many shady sites and all of them are only for the mobile version

And I saw somone say mcpedl but isn't it only, you know, for the pocket aka mobile version?

[white willow]

No not at all. Mcpedl is for any platform

All the popular RTX packs are on there

All the deferred packs are on there

Anything on there can be used by any platform

It's a general bedrock addons/resource pack site

[dark wyvern]

So when it says like "version 1.20.60" this also includes the PC version

And when I saw a shader I like it said "does not support normal minecraft" and needs an RTX version, I assume that's kinda like a Java side library that needs to be installed?

[pale urchin]

It incudes all Bedrock versions unless stated otherwise.

For instance, if it's an RTX texture pack, it's PC only since that's the only place Minecraft supports it.

[white willow]

nothing on mcpedl has anything to do with java. its all bedrock

[dark wyvern]

So I do not need to search for a "PC" version of the download cuz it already supports it?

[white willow]

you do not have to search for a pc version

any version thats on there is compatible wiht bedrock edition no matter the platform

[dark wyvern]

Hm interesting thank you very much for this helpful information
On last question tho
Is the site "mediafire" safe tho?

[white willow]

yes

mediafire is one of the safest third party download sites

to my knowledge

[dark wyvern]

Okay I will try and download a shader, thank you so so much again

[sonic canopy]

You can also find a list of many custom shaders here https://github.com/DominoKorean/Render-dragon-shader-list
Although unlike resource packs that you are currently trying to find, they have a bit of an involved installation method (see installation section in that link)

[graceful iron]

found a funky bug

essentially, some blocks that emit light (lava, sea lanterns, etc) without deferred start emitting vanilla light instead of pointlights

this is also followed by the global.json file suddenly breaking and not working anymore

[silent zealot]

Yeah, global.json not working has been an issue in the .80 previews as well

Anyone made a bug report?

[graceful iron]

im prob gonna make one rn

[graceful iron]

https://bugs.mojang.com/browse/MCPE-180455
made one now

[crisp mango]

(MCPE-180455) Deferred global.json not working (+ side effects)

Reported by

TheDoctorCat

Status

To Do (Open)

Resolution

Unresolved

[graceful iron]

(pls tell me if i should edit/add anything, would be much appreciated)

[silent zealot]

You should attach an example pack. Global.json mer doesnt work so you should(if you have a version switcher) take a screenshot of it in different versions. Most notable way is to make the global mer [0,255,255]

[graceful iron]

k\

[graceful iron]

updated it, does it look better?

[tribal trail]

yea

you need to add your own pointlights

[graceful iron]

idk, I do have a lot of point lights rn, but none of them work anyways. The campfire has a point light but it just doesn’t appear which is part of the bug.

[white willow]

Hm. Is anything else within your global working

[tribal trail]

it's not a bug

you are doing something wrong

[graceful iron]

oh. The global.json file I was using is in the bug report I made, so if you could possibly find out the issue with that then please do.

[white willow]

I can run some debugging tests in it for you

[graceful iron]

That would be much appreciated

[tribal trail]

please do not make bug reports unless you are 100% sure that your pack is not the problem

because I'm almost sure everything works for my pack

[graceful iron]

Seeing this kind of pushed me to make one, but I should probably double check before I make a report, yes

I also had this happen to me before when my pack was previously working whilst I was taking screenshots, so I’m still not fully sure about that.

Idk, I’m just confused with deferred in general rn

[white willow]

all good. i got the files and im gonna see whats wrong with it

I FIXED IT

[tribal trail]

you confused global.json with global mer

Bruh

[graceful iron]

D: bruh

I should remove that bug report and make a new one about the weird vanilla light thing later

[white willow]

vanilla light is intentional

[graceful iron]

ah nvm

[white willow]

far away light sources use vanilla light when the point light is out of render distance

[graceful iron]

I mean up close

[white willow]

that shouldnt be an issue now with the fixed point lights

but anything without a pointlight would use the vanilla lightmap

[tribal trail]

Close up too

deferrred blends colorful pointlight lighting with vanilla lighting

[graceful iron]

I should get sleep. My brain is refusing to understand stuff rn, so I’m just going to look at this again tomorrow

[tribal trail]

it's not an "issue"

pointlight shadows would be too dark without vanilla lightning

[silent zealot]

Global mer is defined in global json. How am I wrong?

[sonic canopy]

Hmm...

Anyone tried global_metalness_emissive_roughness_subsurface?

[sonic canopy]

Works for me... including subsurface channel 👀
Tho I also disabled all textures, let me see if it works when there are some PBR textures present

Regular global_metalness_emissive_roughness also works for me

In what way was it broken again?

Subsurface scattering chicken

[silent zealot]

You set it to [0,255,255]?

[sonic canopy]

[0,0,255]

Ah, I just used example global.json file btw, it had too large sun illuminance

That's why reflections are so intense

[silent zealot]

Try [0,255,255]

Everything should be emissive, but it isnt

[sonic canopy]

Top part doesn't have a texture

What's unfortunate about subsurface scattering channel is that we can't (to my knowledge) set it per-block in texture sets, so if you define a global sss value, all blocks, with or without a texture will have it

[tribal trail]

WHAT

[sonic canopy]

Only works globally tho, I wasn't able to get metalness_emissive_roughness_subsurface key working in texture sets

[sonic canopy]

This is the global schema, just in case

[quick beacon]

I'll mess around with it later 🙃

[sonic canopy]

Also might be worth checking if editing MER alpha channel affects subsurface

[sonic canopy]

YEEESSSS

Subsurface scattering in texture sets

works

[long ruin]

[quick beacon]

wait so this means..?

[viscid moth]

wait what?

[sonic canopy]

Hold on a sec, I'm testing some stuff. I'll tell you how it works in a bit

[viscid moth]

yes pls doo

[vague shoal]

I wish there could be a way to call deferred a shader without making everyone mad

😢

[quasi trench]

[vague shoal]

I can’t even say it without having my roles removed

From yss

[silent zealot]

You can. It's called, know your audience and the environment you're in. I don't want to bring in any external drama, but you won't be punished here by the moderation team if you call it shaders

[earnest sierra]

Except Veka will be sad

[vague shoal]

I don’t wanna upset veka

[sonic canopy]

I'll get over it... eventually

[vague shoal]

And I really don’t wanna make light mad

So I can’t

[quasi trench]

shadernt

graphics mode

[quick beacon]

one day

[vague shoal]

“Deferred shading”

Would that be ok?

[sonic canopy]

Seriously tho, ultimately it's not a big deal, you can call whatever you want however you want. But you also should keep in mind that it's also totally okay for someone else to mention that it may not be the most fitting name, it's just important to not take it to the extremes, you shouldn't bully or harass someone for the terminology they're using.

[vague shoal]

Yeah well uhhhh

[quick beacon]

When someone bullies you for calling it shaders, ping me.

[vague shoal]

(Lightyagami)

[silent zealot]

But uh, by all means, I would love to get my ban count up /s

[quasi trench]

meet the quota

[vague shoal]

There’s one problem

Light yagami refuses to let me call deferred a shader

I’m pretty much forced

I removed it from my video titles

[quick beacon]

That is taken too far imo

[earnest sierra]

Deferred isn’t a shader?! I’ve been lied to smh

[quick beacon]

no one should be forced to call it what 1 person wants it to be called

[vague shoal]

And I even had my favorite role removed from yss

For a little while

So what I’ll do is just call it shader only around my friends

In other servers

[quick beacon]

You should be safe here

[quasi trench]

in the end, deferred will be called what mojang decide on when its finished & ready for marketing

[blazing whale]

Deferred shading is actually the file name of one of the material bins

[vague shoal]

Ik

[vague shoal]

“Fabulous graphics”

[sonic canopy]

Data-Driven Subsurface Scattering (commonly abbreviated as SSS)

• In texture sets, use metalness_emissive_roughness_subsurface (requires format version of 1.21.10). Subsurface is controlled in the alpha channel.
• In global.json, use global_metalness_emissive_roughness_subsurface
  Subsurface is mutually exclusive with metalness, if metalness value is greater than subsurface, pixel will be metallic, otherwise pixel will have subsurface scattering. Also, subsurface and metalness internally share the same 8bit channel, so that means you actually only get 7 bits of precision (8th bit indicates whether it's metallic or subsurface channel), so instead of 256 possible values you only get 128 for metalness and subsurface, but you shouldn't have to worry about it, both metalness and subsurface are still authored in 0-255 range, and you're unlikely to notice any precision loss in-game.

[silent zealot]

cough make a post for that perchance cough

[sonic canopy]

Nah, it's better to wait for it to release officially, since they might change how it works. I don't recommend using this before that happens.

[silent zealot]

Like particles PBR

Items PBR soon™️ though, knowing Mojang, all my favourites will be released last

[sonic canopy]

Time to rename your MER textures to MERS

[silent zealot]

Bet, gonna use C++ to batch rename even though i alr have a py script

[long ruin]

Basically threw a tantrum

Accusing him of spreading misinformation

[mossy verge]

They never really forced him

Just asked to not spread misinformation

[tribal trail]

deferred is a shader, but packs like Luminous Dreams, prizma deferred or Lynx are not

[earnest sierra]

I meant that more as a joke lol

[tribal trail]

deferred rendering, graphics mode, deferred

[viscid moth]

if May I ask
so the first 0-128 should be subsurface and metal should be 129-255?

[silent zealot]

No, its rgba

[Metalness, emissive, roughness, subsurface]

[viscid moth]

oh

got it

[sonic canopy]

Yeah, you can specify them separately, in 0-255 range. What I meant is that colors will be compressed to 0-127 range internally, so you'd get slightly less precision for gradients.

[viscid moth]

should be json "metalness_emissive_roughness_subsurface": [0, 255, 0, 0],

[sonic canopy]

So for example 255 and 254 will be compressed to the same value, so you wouldn't be able to tell the difference. In most cases, you shouldn't even have to worry about that, it should be plenty or precision for gradients in MC

[viscid moth]

anyway fucking W for veka for finding this out

[sonic canopy]

deferred is a shader
That's also not entirely correct, but not entirely wrong either. It does use internally shaders for rendering, just like any other graphics mode in any other game, and some people do call graphics modes like deferred and RTX as shaders. But anyways, you can call whatever you want however you want, arguing over semantics is not a very productive thing to do.

[tribal trail]

i love it

[quasi trench]

subsurface scattering dirt and sand?

or you did a sneaky texture change again

[tribal trail]

only top part

[quick beacon]

It looks better

[quasi trench]

the lines tho ughhhh- they ruin everything

[white willow]

Hmmmmmmmmm imma have to play with this later

[tribal trail]

lovely

[viscid moth]

ehmm

[white willow]

Heightmaps died so subsurface scattering could thrive

[viscid moth]

lmao

[white willow]

So this utilizes the alpha layer. But is also tied to metalness.. would thag mean I'd have to make the whole thing transparent for this to work or just the metalness

[sonic canopy]

You just have to keep in mind that each pixel can either have metalness or subsurface, but not both. Also if you don't need subsurface for your block, you can still specify just metalness_emissive_roughness, and it will use the default subsurface from global.json instead

[white willow]

I might just wait on this since today should be a preview day and we may get documentation on it

[sonic canopy]

Preview day is tomorrow tho?

[white willow]

I thought it was Tuesdays

Maybe I'm wrong

[astral hatch]

When Preview?

It is unlikely to be preview day my dudes

When do Previews usually happen?

Previews usually occur on a Wednesday or Thursday between <t:1703692800:t> and <t:1703700000:t>

Apr 9, 2024, 2:02 PM

[white willow]

Oh nvm then

[viscid moth]

maybe? for some countries there's Eid so idk?

[white willow]

My brain is all jumbled today sorry

I will give this a go though because it looks interesting and I have ideas for it

[sonic canopy]

Subsurface on opaque blocks from point lights is a bit harsh tho imo

[white willow]

Oh jeez. Does the amount of sss you give make a difference or nah

[sonic canopy]

It only affects SSS intensity

But not the harsh falloff

[white willow]

Ah

What effect would this have on glass

Or would it not do anything because of how transparent things are handled

[viscid moth]

replace the damn version number and add subsurface

import os
import json

def replace_text_in_directory(directory):
    for root, dirs, files in os.walk(directory):
        for filename in files:
            if filename.endswith(".json"):
                filepath = os.path.join(root, filename)
                with open(filepath, 'r') as file:
                    lines = file.readlines()
                updated_lines = [line.replace("1.16.100", "1.20.90") for line in lines]
                if len(updated_lines) >= 5:
                    updated_lines[4] = replace_texture_line(updated_lines[4])
                with open(filepath, 'w') as file:
                    file.writelines(updated_lines)

def replace_texture_line(line):
    """Replace 'metalness_emissive_roughness' in the specified line."""
    return line.replace('"metalness_emissive_roughness"', '"metalness_emissive_roughness_subsurface"')

if __name__ == "__main__":
    script_directory = os.path.dirname(os.path.abspath(__file__))
    replace_text_in_directory(script_directory)

[silent zealot]

I wouldn't have done that personally, but if it works it works

[viscid moth]

💀

[sonic canopy]

Yeah, there's no need to do that imo

Both metalness_emissive_roughness and metalness_emissive_roughness_subsurface still work, and you can specify default subsurface in global.json, even if you have an old format or MER key

But if you're going to be updating a bunch of textures, then I can see how this can be useful

[viscid moth]

hold on
it should work for entites right?

[sonic canopy]

Yes, particles too

[silent zealot]

I mean, you can also just use vscode's find and replace

[viscid moth]

💀 and do it for thousands of texture_sets?

[silent zealot]

Yeah

THere is a batch find replace

[viscid moth]

where?

[white willow]

I mean in theory not very many blocks would actually need the sss change as most wouldn't make a lot of sense to have it

[viscid moth]

yeah most don't need sss like rocks and metal blocks

[silent zealot]

Also wait lmao 1.20.90?

[viscid moth]

oh
you were talking about this one

[sonic canopy]

maybe just a placeholder version for now ¯_(ツ)_/¯

Also I'd love to see that added to BRTX or at least its community modifications

I'm sure it'll be at least possible in RTX mods

[silent zealot]

import glob
import json

def get_json_from_file(fh):
    try:
        # If possible, read the file as JSON
        return json.loads(fh)
    except:
        # If not, read the file as a string, and try to parse it as JSON
        contents = ""
        for line in fh.splitlines():
            cleanedLine = line.split("//", 1)[0]
            if len(cleanedLine) > 0 and line.endswith("\n") and "\n" not in cleanedLine:
                cleanedLine += "\n"
            contents += cleanedLine
        while "/*" in contents:
            preComment, postComment = contents.split("/*", 1)
            contents = preComment + postComment.split("*/", 1)[1]
        return json.loads(contents)

def main():
    for file in glob.glob("features/*.json", recursive=True):
        try:
            with open(file, "r", encoding="utf-8") as fh:   
                json_data = get_json_from_file(fh.read())
                json_data["format_version"]="1.20.90"
                json_data["minecraft:texture_set"]["metalness_emissive_roughness_subsurface"] = json_data["minecraft:texture_set"].pop("metalness_emissive_roughness")
            with open(file, "w", encoding="utf-8") as fh:
                json.dump(json_data, fh, indent=4, ensure_ascii=False)
        except Exception as e:
            print("Error in file: " + file)
            print(e)
            raise

main()
``` Here's my python script anyways

[viscid moth]

wtf wrong with my pack
i have bad reflections bugs but on prizma it's fine?

[sonic canopy]

Skylight is too bright would be my guess

[white willow]

She went in a made ALOT of changes that reduce the issues tied to reflections

I've tried many times to replicate it and I can't

[viscid moth]

💀 prizma has higher sun illuminance than mine
I use 20k

[sonic canopy]

Scattering coefficients are also important

[viscid moth]

In my wip pack it's 20k
My release pack uses 10

[viscid moth]

Yeah I was able to accidentally fix the sky box reflections bug when alegizz mentioned my sky being too dark it was cuz of fog absorption coefficients

Now it's back after I deleted the wrong fog files 😭

Hopefully this bug will be fixed in the next preview

[vague shoal]

is there any other rtx mods planned ?

other than better rtx

[sonic canopy]

I mean it's probably safe to assume that there will be more at some point. At least more BetterRTX presets, since they're kinda separate shaders already.

That might even be added in BetterRTX update

[vague shoal]

the what

[sonic canopy]

The subsurface scattering support

[vague shoal]

oh

also

is mojang ever gonna come back to rtx

and fix it

although i can’t even play it in the first place

it still interests me if they will fix it and make it better

like brtx did

but officially

[sonic canopy]

Idk, hopefully yes. I think they might look into platform specific features like custom shaders and RTX after deferred is done, since on the QnA they said that the focus rn is on cross platform features.

[vague shoal]

i’m hoping they can bring custom clouds and waving plants to deferred

[quick beacon]

It depends. I hope they do and fix all of the RTX bugs. Back then it was all new. RTX mainly came to be due to a Nivida promotion, which I feel like has been rushed to give us the rtx we have today.

[long ruin]

Yepper

And the false hope of having it on the Xbox series consoles

Many people bought them

Just to be disappointed

[quick beacon]

Even tho it can run on them, they don't want RTX on there

[long ruin]

Yeah

[faint snow]

Many people bought Xbox one x for sdgp

[quick beacon]

I almost did lol

[long ruin]

Plus the video we got with RTX on the consoles

[vague shoal]

that could still be possible

i mean that one preview version seemed to run rtx fine on xbox?

[long ruin]

We had that one accidental preview yeah

Performance was alright

Series S was obviously worse than the Series X

But at least we get Deferred

Although I'm curious what the official name will be

[vague shoal]

i really hope this happens

[long ruin]

Didn't they say sometime they will update the clouds?

[vague shoal]

they said there were no plans yet

[long ruin]

Oh yeah

[vague shoal]

same thing for waving plants

😭

[long ruin]

We will just have to he patient

Be*

[vague shoal]

mc legends has waving plants tho

and it runs on render dragon

[vague shoal]

BRUH

my roles were removed again from yss

and i stopped calling deferred a shader

light must be real mad at me for another reason

and i don’t know any other reason

[earnest sierra]

Probably because you mentioned it here also please try not to bring stuff from other servers into here.

[vague shoal]

But

Light isn’t in here

Crap

He is

[white willow]

It would probably be best to just drop it

[vague shoal]

I thought this was a safe spot

Guess not

[quasi trench]

hypnotizes you

“deferred graphics mode”

[long ruin]

[vague shoal]

Too late now

The damage is done

[long ruin]

Eh, everyone has their own problems and such

[vague shoal]

No one likes my deferred pics either

[long ruin]

And I believe it was also due to his YouTube comments

[long ruin]

The staff encouraged you to send them

[vague shoal]

I know

And I will keep sending them

But everyone else just seems to not like them

[long ruin]

I don't pay much attention to anyones

[quick beacon]

I like them

[viscid moth]

I have found the issue causing this sky box reflection bug
it has something to do with your illuminance and sun mie strength

[white willow]

hm how so

[viscid moth]

2000 illuminance with 25 mie strength and 20 glare shape vs 1 mie strength and 25 glare shape

[white willow]

Hm

This might help with my reflection issues

I'm going to bed now but I'll lower my mid values cuz I believe they are stupidly high for no reason

That might be why I can't replicate the fixes prizma has

Oh uhhhh yeah I'll change these around

Idk what I was doing when I made these values tbh

[viscid moth]

💀

lens flare type sht

[quick beacon]

it's a bit.... LOL

[tribal trail]

not everything should have sss

[viscid moth]

with sss vs without sss

[viscid moth]

nvm it works

[viscid moth]

emm to the beacon glass

[sonic canopy]

Oh wow, sss looks good on slime and honey

[viscid moth]

Btw Veka I assume the more transparent the alpha map is the more light is scattered?

Bc some time it doesn't work like that and I get a black points light spot

[sonic canopy]

I think the black point light spot is a mistake in sss implementation, it will probably get fixed at some point

[viscid moth]

Ooh okay

[tribal trail]

i love sss

[long ruin]

[pale urchin]

Woah how did that happen? It's like front face culling was used on the logs in the shadow map

[tribal trail]

yea, it helps slime block a lot

[mossy verge]

It's still your safe spot

Light isn't really a villain

He just don't like spreading misinformation

The fact that he copyrighted each yss video with word rtx, bsl shader, seus etc. with fancy thumbnail

And banned the creators from server

Just because they clickbaited

And don't forget he created the role for you himself

[long ruin]

let's begin

[vague shoal]

You know

That sdgp we were shown

Wasn’t actually the sdgp we were supposed to get

According to devs

[faint snow]

Makes sense 😂

[vague shoal]

I wonder what the real sdgp was supposed to look like

Maybe similar to rtx

With textures and custom sun

[faint snow]

Default rtx looks quite bad

[pale urchin]

Didn't we see what it would look like?

[vague shoal]

The one we were shown in trailers

[pale urchin]

The graphics options left behind also tells us some things

[long ruin]

I remember seeing videos of the original MC RTX

[vague shoal]

Was before they discovered that big code flaw

And had to remake the graphics engine

Which made render dragon

[faint snow]

It looked better than any Java shader

[vague shoal]

Looked oddly different and similar to sdgp

Also

It had custom sun angle

Which we didn’t get in release

[proud pike]

BetterRTX to the rescue

[faint snow]

Rtx looks only good indoor

Outdoor is 😂🤮

[vague shoal]

I wonder if the devs could share some info of what sdgp was supposed to actually look like

[pale urchin]

Bland? Yeah

[proud pike]

its alright outside too

[long ruin]

Vanilla RTX used the lighting folder to change sun angle in default RTX

[vague shoal]

Maybe even some screenshots

It’s abandoned anyway

[pale urchin]

Depends on the scene

[proud pike]

true

[faint snow]

Compared to sdgp or Java shaders it’s bad

[proud pike]

eh, debatable

but kinda true

[vague shoal]

Deferred sky is also

Meh

[pale urchin]

When we talk about outdoors, do we ask "What would this look like in a superflat world?"

[vague shoal]

Well when it’s at noon

I hope they can fix the deferred sky at noon

[proud pike]

who plays superflat nowadays

[faint snow]

Sdgp had very strong rays

[long ruin]

Might be realistic, but it definitely wasn't aesthetic in my opinion

[proud pike]

atleast with BetterRTX it looks quite nice imo

[long ruin]

True

[proud pike]

credits to @/quirkyplague for the screenshot

[white willow]

i love that screenshot so much

[proud pike]

yeah me likey too

[long ruin]

Wish clouds weren't bugged

[white willow]

its got enough fog that it looks kinda like a desert. it looks stupidly realistic for no reason

[faint snow]

Why does it takes so long to add reflections

[proud pike]

one thing ill give BRTX, the GI is on point

[proud pike]

platforms

many

many platforms

optmization

too

[pale urchin]

It's hard to get working right. I can say that from experience

[proud pike]

they are also working on PowerVR support on android too

from what ive been seeing

its actually functional now

[long ruin]

By the way, whatever happened to this https://twitter.com/IsiliconS/status/1692173621626601746?t=ByRNhBDBqhLLTPMmXo14mw&s=19

SIsilicon 🇯🇲 (@IsiliconS) on X

Mojang please add Screen Space Global Illumination to Deferred Preview. A lil' bit of GI goes a long way.

Twitter · Aug 17, 2023, 1:56 PM

[pale urchin]

I accidentally deleted it 🥳

[long ruin]

Looked so cool

[proud pike]

[long ruin]

[sonic canopy]

Btw, deferred sun angle customisation also works in RTX

[long ruin]

Yeah

[proud pike]

yeah i saw that

[long ruin]

Vanilla RTX did it

(it's the pack name)

[pale urchin]

and vanilla too, lol

[proud pike]

oh lol

i guess we have deferred to thank for custom sun angles

[long ruin]

[proud pike]

glowing chicken

[vague shoal]

Will sss work on the player?

[pale urchin]

Better question: Do texture sets in general work on the player

[proud pike]

hmmm

very interesting question

[pale urchin]

It would be so cool if we could author skins with PBR

[proud pike]

yeah

[pale urchin]

Herobrine eyes anyone?

[proud pike]

that'd be nice

iirc emmisive skins are already doable in BetterRTX

i think Furzide did that already

[vague shoal]

One minute of peaceful deferred rendering https://youtu.be/kqOGhLNZysc?si=qy1Ca-08rK568sUz

[pale urchin]

Need to get better at PBR

[viscid moth]

welp I tried to do a skin pack that had pbr didn't work

[pale urchin]

Thought so.

[long ruin]

At least we have Entity PBR for other mobs and armor

Soon to have Item PBR

We basically have particle PBR too

[viscid moth]

skin packs can't load texture set
and you have to tell them it's a png

[vague shoal]

Not even my pack

It’s pleagued pbr with waving grass and custom clouds pack

[pale urchin]

Isn't that an RTX pack?

[vague shoal]

The grass texture must’ve made it glossy

Due to reflections

[pale urchin]

nvm

[vague shoal]

Both

[pale urchin]

Is it this you used? https://mcpedl.com/plagued-pbr-deferred/

[vague shoal]

I used a beta version

[proud pike]

this is why the grass is so reflective @pale urchin

[vague shoal]

The texture pack I applied above it

[proud pike]

he isn't using Plagued PBR's grass

[vague shoal]

Is probably why

But I’m gonna be honest

I don’t really care about pbr

[pale urchin]

Good PBR makes a good scene though

[vague shoal]

Most Java shaders didn’t even have pbr

From the videos I watched

[pale urchin]

Most Java shaders aren't glossy 😂

[vague shoal]

Besides my viewers probably wouldn’t care either

Maybe some

[proud pike]

the pink grass doesn't bother you?

[vague shoal]

Not really

[viscid moth]

welp black holes can break reflections

[vague shoal]

case oh what did you do

[viscid moth]

💀

[proud pike]

so real

[viscid moth]

I also got the boot leg interstellar

[earnest sierra]

That looks sick!!

Also circles in Minecraft?! uh oh

[viscid moth]

lmao didn't even realize it

this is a smaller version
pixels from the sun texture is kinda throwing me off

[proud pike]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1209539336404607116/1210664316726939648/GIF146.gif?ex=6622c102&is=66104c02&hm=772128e26b0fae69130fbd17a9bb287155ce217d79ba73c8ede1a3f03fbe9237&=&width=901&height=643

so real

[vague shoal]

Looks like sdgp

[viscid moth]

yoo final fuckingly i got this reflection bug out

[pale urchin]

Where was the bug?

[white willow]

my grass looks like this lol

[viscid moth]

isn't this rtx?

[white willow]

yeah but it looks about the same in deferred

[viscid moth]

am I tripping?

[white willow]

i dont have a recent deferred pic

[pale urchin]

Hm, I thought the sky reflection would look more "prominent" in deferred

[pale urchin]

Ooh

[white willow]

ok heres defererd

[viscid moth]

it's way worse

[pale urchin]

Oh that looks pretty balanced

[viscid moth]

i mean the bug

[white willow]

welp i reduced my mie values and stuff and now my sun is a ball wtf

[faint snow]

Every single feature in deferred is either not polished or has many bugs

[pale urchin]

Sounds about right

[white willow]

nvm i i had to reduce my glare cone further

that change seems to have made sky reflection less intense though

nvm...

[pale urchin]

Either it's really hard to balance the reflections, or it's a bug

[white willow]

yeah idk

ive tried reducing my sky values and it broke all the colors i was going for along with not doing anything to the reflections

btw for global mers it should look like this?

[pale urchin]

With that setup, all blocks will be matte and have subsurface scattering

[white willow]

the subsurface scattering isnt working for me here

[pale urchin]

I assume you saw Veka's post?

[white willow]

wait.. im dumb

the blocks im looking at already have mer so they wont use the global

ok yeah its not working

[sonic canopy]

Any content logs?

[white willow]

its working now

ill custom define it later

i just wanted to see if it would work

im trying to use sss within mer and uhhh

[viscid moth]

What happened?

[sonic canopy]

Format version

Check content logs to see where the issue is

[white willow]

oh format version

i forgot about that

it works now

im not entirely sure how to customize it though

nvm figured it out

[drowsy lantern]

Why Minecraft.net isn't update?

[white willow]

no sss

with sss

(there is a sea lantern under these)

something interesting is you can see the pointlight through the blocks. a little weird but also interesting

[viscid moth]

it's a bug
but looking at this pic
I realized full blocks needs a setting to get point light shadows

[drowsy lantern]

Where is moon in 1.21.0.21?😂

[viscid moth]

how to fix the glare issue with reflections(tutorial)

[viscid moth]

why blue torch look like that

[sonic canopy]

Look like what?

[viscid moth]

nvm I messed up

[viscid moth]

it might not be a SSS bug

but jut a bug

that tiny black spot is the bug

[glad fern]

Hello guys there have any news for Defferred release ?

[long ruin]

Not for a while

[sonic canopy]

Does pumpkin have sss?

[viscid moth]

nope

[sonic canopy]

Do you have global sss?

[viscid moth]

em hold on

yes

[sonic canopy]

Or maybe pumpkin is one of the hardcoded sss blocks, like leaves. What if you set sss channel to 0 in texture set?

[sonic canopy]

Yeah, if you're using MER instead of MERS or using older format version, it will use default sss

[viscid moth]

there is no sss for pumpkin the texture set
the texture uses the old 1.16.100
version and i haven't updated the pumpkin cuz i have no reason to rn

[sonic canopy]

Yeah, so seems like it uses default global SSS then

[viscid moth]

oh kinda make sense

[drowsy lantern]

It's only in my resource pack or all resource packs?

[viscid moth]

yours it seems the fog is too thick for the moon to be visible

[silent zealot]

Did they change emissiveness lately because my stuff seems a bit brighter than usual

[white willow]

I haven't done a lot of testing but overall my emissives have looked a bit better overall

[silent zealot]

Anyone getting the torch particles to show up? It's not showing up on my end, but things like crop growth does show up

That doesn't seem right...

Only half the particles are being shown

[earnest sierra]

half?

[silent zealot]

Well, yeah, in the picture only half of the particles are having light "bounce" off. The other half is just dark

[earnest sierra]

huh, I wonder if that’s because it thinks that it’s inside a solid block

[silent zealot]

🙃 but it isnt silly game. Its above the carrot block. Unless air is considered a solid block

[quick beacon]

Firework particles still doesn't support PBR, like the emissive value

I wonder if the beacon beam works

[silent zealot]

Did you get torches to work?

[quick beacon]

yea

[silent zealot]

May I see your particle textures set file then?

[quick beacon]

slapped together as fast as I could lol

honey

But I find it strange how the firework particles are not "glowing" but the explosion particle does glow

[silent zealot]

I thnk I found the problem, I had some Red in my particle files causing the metalicness behaviour it seems

[quick beacon]

they also turn dark when in the sky for some reason

[quick beacon]

I also never had this happen to me.. interesting.

let me double check

[quick beacon]

I wonder if these textures are hardcoded?

[white willow]

Do they not work even with global mer?

[quick beacon]

You know

I haven't tested that

[quick beacon]

Nope, they are unaffected it seems

[white willow]

Dang

[sonic canopy]

try global entity mer

[quick beacon]

nope

oh wait

hmm strange

why doesn't the texture file exist for it?

"particles": {
      "global_metalness_emissive_roughness": [0, 255, 255]
    }```

Video sending

[silent zealot]

Hmmm, most particles only benefit if its emissive. Smoke aside, i cant thibk of any particles that use metallic or roughness only

[silent zealot]

I am asking for block state support in global.json as I cannot dictate what colour light a normal and a ominous vault will emit

[sonic canopy]

If only Molang was supported... anywhere in deferred

[blazing whale]

Is it possible that later deferred supports colored light from colored glass? 🤔

[pale urchin]

It's a possibility, but I don't remember if they mentioned that

[silent zealot]

Anyone got the sculk particles to work? All my sonic boom and whatnot are invisible

[vague shoal]

What exactly would that do for deferred (I don’t even know what molang does)

[sonic canopy]

Greater visuals customisation

Molang is a language for data driving things in MC btw, in deferred it would've allowed to generate visuals during the game based on different inputs rather than having a static hardcoded parameters

[silent zealot]

Seems particles/entities still don't have great support

And emissiveness is still semi locked to [0,15]

[sonic canopy]

Have you tried particles_alphablend? Particles need to have that material in order to write to the metalness/sss channel

[silent zealot]

🤨 Damn...I really gotta modify the particle file huh?

But the issue is....theyre just invisible by default(the sonic boom), I only use [0,255,255]

[vague shoal]

Do you think we could create realistic clouds in deferred in the future?

Via cube maps

When they support it

Most likely I think we will

But I don’t think they will be able to move

Unless somehow we can animate cube maps

They should also make cubemaps in deferred data driven to fix the horrible looking cubemap problem

To match Java cubemaps

@raw pendant actually fixed cubemaps on bedrock

Sorry for ping btw furzide

[silent zealot]

Im still not getting the sonic boom to show up. It works perfectly fine without deferred turned on. Every other particle from teh deep dark seems to work but not the boom

[silent zealot]

Are you kidding me? Do particles PBR texture_set files not support arrays for MER?

But the sonic boom still doesnt show up

[still zenith]

It's so impressive that you all found the data hooks to Sub Surface Scattering! Most impressive. But we are not ready to release it yet...

...because it still has some bugs. (I'm looking at you shadow occlusion) We want to give you the best experience. 🙏 Know that the early SSS visuals being shared are a big help. 🎨

[silent zealot]

I am so smart, I figured out a way to make my pngs distinguishable since emissiveness/bloom is a bit intesnse right now(anything above 15 is treated the same)

Pro tip: Don't enter the nether

[silent zealot]

We love bugs. Truly

Also, while you are here mr aajabrams, is there a reason why particles pbr MER doesnt support arrays and has to explicitlty be an image mer?

[still zenith]

These screenshots, while beautiful, illustrate the remaining problem, and that is occlusion obstructing the SSS. The only reason these back faces receive the little sliver of light that they do is due to shadow bias. 🙃

[pale urchin]

So is this what you guys are aiming for? (by @white willow)

[still zenith]

This is news to me. I'll log a bug about this!

Thank you for the tip

[silent zealot]

🤣 news to me as well. Unless ofc I goofed up(please let it be my fault)

[still zenith]

Not sure, but rest assured we have a solution. 😉

[silent zealot]

Works

{
    "format_version": "1.16.100",
    "minecraft:texture_set": {
        "color": "particles",
        "metalness_emissive_roughness": "particles_mer"
    }
}

😦 no works

{
    "format_version": "1.16.100",
    "minecraft:texture_set": {
        "color": "particles",
        "metalness_emissive_roughness": [0,255,255]
    }
}

[earnest sierra]

We love bedrock bugs, really.

[pale urchin]

Truly Bedrock

[earnest sierra]

Truly Bogged 👀 /s

[still zenith]

Our solution aims to convey block/object thickness to give more physically believable results.

[pale urchin]

👁️

Can't wait to see it

[long ruin]

[still zenith]

Me too. We're working hard on it.

While it won't include SSS updates, next week's preview should be rather exciting. 😉

[silent zealot]

Back then people played videogames to escape reality. Now developers want to make videogames look like reality

[pale urchin]

You guys should leak data points more often /j*

[still zenith]

They're in there if you know where to look. 😉

[pale urchin]

Where the data miners at??

[long ruin]

No idea

I used to do it

[earnest sierra]

Retired /s

[long ruin]

[still zenith]

Just saying, rest assured, deferred has been cooking, but not everything gets a changelog. 😀

[quick beacon]

We noticed the cooking

Really excited

[long ruin]

We appreciate everybody's hard work :D

[pale urchin]

Yeah

[still zenith]

Me too x3

[earnest sierra]

I was say thank you to everyone at the graphics AND aajabrams for doing your best to deliver such an amazing feature.

[long ruin]

[pale urchin]

You're really going above expectations

[still zenith]

We aim to please

[long ruin]

I'm happy to live in a time like this

[quick beacon]

We're all really excited to see what you guys deliver in one preview

[still zenith]

But seriously, we love the enthusiasm and engagement we see from the community. You all are why we come to work every morning.

[quick beacon]

❤️

[long ruin]

[pale urchin]

Wait, what will you do once deferred's released?

[still zenith]

Whatever is next 🙂

[silent zealot]

Just release the git diffs

[long ruin]

I wonder what most of the 14k members do here

[quick beacon]

Deferred is pretty solid! I really like it :>

[earnest sierra]

We honestly love every one of you that’s still working at Mojang

[pale urchin]

Actually it's pretty fluid. Much work to be done

But that's what you get for being experimental

[quick beacon]

True, but it does take time. Idk much about graphic dev, but I think there's loads of technical stuff/problems going on making stuff a bit more difficult

[pale urchin]

As someone that made a graphics engine from scratch, yeah. It's a real challenge

[quick beacon]

This is bedrock too soo... lol

It'll get better :>

[pale urchin]

I'm sure they have to do a lot more than what I did too.

Good things it's a team

[still zenith]

You're both right, and that's why it's so fun/exciting. We're still building out the full feature set and platform support, but we're confident in our goals!

[silent zealot]

Known issue items in your hand just gets overlayed by the atmosphere colour?

[still zenith]

Hmm, hard to say. Do you have a screenshot by chance?

[white willow]

oh????

cant wait

big stuff coming

[silent zealot]

I don't think grass is purple mr aajabrams 🤣

[pale urchin]

Oh item lighting was always broken, lol

[long ruin]

[pale urchin]

I'm wondering if they'll fix it once they get to item PBR

[earnest sierra]

What’s happening with the torch?

[pale urchin]

Oh I didn't even notice that xD

[still zenith]

We'll fix, for sure. Not meaning to put any burden on you all, but the more bugs we get filed from the community, the more likely we are to fix them. 🙏

[pale urchin]

... What is happening there?

[still zenith]

Bias related. That would be my guess. No reason we need bias THAT large though... 🤔

[earnest sierra]

huh

[pale urchin]

If it was bias, I'd assume it would have a pattern around the torch

Plus it's not a hard cutoff. As if it's a transition

Maybe it's a bugged shadow map?

[silent zealot]

...normal maps shenanigans? Idk, it's happening ONLY with the normal copper ore and not the deepslate one despite both using the same normal map

[long ruin]

Hmmmm

[still zenith]

I think that bug, and the "perfect circle" bugs from torches on walls at the right distance are all the same root cause...we just haven't figured it out yet.

[white willow]

speaking of bug reports. has anyone made a report on the mobile reflections issue

[pale urchin]

I think someone did, yeah

I dunno the link though

[long ruin]

I have faith you'll find the root cause

[white willow]

ok. if someone didnt i was going to

[white willow]

This definitely doesn't seem easy. I've always wanted to learn how to do that just don't have time lol

I've always found things like raytracing very cool.. then games like cyberpunk utilizing it in such crazy ways like it's so interesting. Or like UE5s Lumen is also super cool

[long ruin]

I agree

I was always intrested in making things like this, but I just don't have the time either lol

Maybe someday

[white willow]

Yeah

I just uh... I have to get somewhat good at coding first lol

[long ruin]

Lol yeah

[white willow]

I understand the basics of coding but most of what I'm learning right now I feel like flies over my head

Or I over complicate what I need to do

One of my recent projects was to create a paddle ball like game thing

And I ran into an issue of the ball just clipping through the side of the paddle

I didn't think to just reverse the function and instead tried everything except for using the paddle's height.

Let's say I sat there for WAYYY longer than I needed to

[long ruin]

I don't even know how to code at all lmao

[white willow]

It can be a lot to get a hold of at first. I have a hard time with processing a lot of things all at once so I find coding rather difficult

[long ruin]

Yeah, I'm sure it's not easy to actually begin

[white willow]

I got a good understanding of coding when I first started college. But I swear I've just gotten worse in the last few months

Ik my friends wanna do a game jam so that would probably help lol

[long ruin]

Lmao

[silent zealot]

How does sky reflections actually work? a value of [255,0,230] doesn't seem to make it reflect sky colours but [255,0,63] does

[sonic canopy]

:0

[faint snow]

Reflections

[proud pike]

Water SSR is in the game

i've sent images of it before, very very WIP at the time

[sonic canopy]

I wonder why it's only on windows. Maybe they don't want to worry about platform compatibility during development and will add it later. Or not all platforms will support it. Or maybe they just didn't want data miners to find out 👀

[proud pike]

👀

[sonic canopy]

Just a thought, someone should keep items key in global.json in case item pbr ever gets silently added as well

[faint snow]

Where

[proud pike]

@faint snow ^

[blazing whale]

what about the SSR code in waterforward on Android?

[sonic canopy]

There is no SSR code there

[blazing whale]

Oh ok

[vague shoal]

Very excited to see all these new features

Especially better water

And cubemap support

[vague shoal]

OHHHH BOY

Fingers crossed we get better water next week

🤞

[pale urchin]

Hohoho no

[safe urchin]

yes yes yes yes

[faint snow]

Probably reflections

[vague shoal]

Yes yes yes

Or even better

Cubemap support

Or color grading

We can make custom clouds in deferred with cubemaps

Or maybe

PlayStation support

[white willow]

something cool i just learned

deferred has a default volumetric value

so i just made a new pack which only has one thing in it. theres no fog files, global lighting files nothing

but it has a defaulted volumetric fog

[long ruin]

[pale urchin]

It looks like the same fog they used in their first screenshot showcasing it

[white willow]

yeah

this is just a neat little thing i found

tbh i didnt expect it to have a default value cuz rtx just doesnt

[proud pike]

pre-release deferred moment

idk if its just me, pre-release deferred had much crisper block pbr

[proud pike]

don't remember what pack i used in this ss

[tribal trail]

still looks like that

[proud pike]

lol

i thought that would have been fixed

[tribal trail]

nuh uh

:'<

[tribal trail]

just you

[proud pike]

[tribal trail]

maybe I changed planks pbr at some point

I don't remember doing that, but it's possible

[proud pike]

perhaps

the point light interation with the blocks looks better to me

[proud pike]

more

i think i was usng lumen rtx in some of these pics

deferred when it shat itself

deferred when it actually worked

we sure have come a long way since

[long ruin]

Definitely

[proud pike]

wait wut

i just noticed we had player shadows in pre-release deferred

i wonder why they removed it at release

[earnest sierra]

It says RTX?

[proud pike]

back then we used the RTX toggle to enable deferred rendering

since it didn't have a dedicated toggle

this is during the time YSS first revealed the existence of deferred

and when it went public

[earnest sierra]

I have no idea how that works so I can’t really say much

[proud pike]

instead of enabling the RT rendering pipeline, we switched it to toggle the deferred rendering pipeline

thats basically it

[earnest sierra]

huh

[vague shoal]

Seems that these pics were taken a year ago

I wonder what deferred will look like in 1.21.60

[proud pike]

they were taken back during 1.19.40 (release)

so yeah about a year or so

[vague shoal]

Yeah

Heck maybe deferred will release

By next year

I hope

[proud pike]

maybe

[vague shoal]

Probably will

[proud pike]

[sonic canopy]

3rd person shadows were always working, but not 1st person

[silent zealot]

😌 Feels so nice to be able to structure my pbr pack like this. Organized - ish

[true otter]

any news about deferred coming to ps4/5 preview ?

[long ruin]

Not atm

[vague shoal]

No

But it has to be coming sometime

Sooner

[proud pike]

ah i see

[silent zealot]

Incredible https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/minecraft/creator/documents/deferredlighting?view=minecraft-bedrock-stable the graph that shows the day cycle only applies to atmopsheric.json. Global.json has a 0.5 offset....how did I know? Well... a value of "0.1": 9832 should be super bright during noon however...it is super dim

[viscid moth]

Lmao you just noticed it
And what's more ridiculous is that offset only applies to the objects under the sun
And the moon uses the graphs system

[silent zealot]

I didn't just noticed it. I've made adjustments and accomdated for it since the release. I figured it should be fixed so I was porting it over to the new/original values

[viscid moth]

Oh lol they never fixed it
They just changed the graphs to the bugged values which became a feature
So the sun which was originally correct now is bugged

[lucid token]

Beautiful

[proud pike]

[slate shuttle]

Well, hello here, i want to start leaning deferred but i have no idea how to start, i created y default PBR pack, but i have no idea what things do what

[quick beacon]

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/minecraft/creator/documents/deferredlighting?view=minecraft-bedrock-stable

[slate shuttle]

ya, i have this default files that are there and i read it all

but i kind dont know what to change to make something change

like i get the illuminance

but not sure how do you get the fog things and sun rays in the air and more

[sonic canopy]

Features that were mentioned on qna:

• Color grading (contrast, saturation, gain, offset and split-tone grading)
• Water lighting + movement (caustics, noise, volumetric rays, reflections, refractions (maybe Snell's window), "Water will operate on properties like how much algae is present.")
• Subsurface scattering
• Reflections (SSR + IBL)
• PBR Texture Set support for Items and particles.

Color grading, water, SSR, proper SSS and items PBR is what we have left from this set of features

I wonder what will be next. Or is that everything ?

[quick beacon]

Excited for the next preview

[lucid token]

Sky is left for work

[pale urchin]

This applies to almost every deferred feature. There's something wrong with each one of them that they'll look at later.

[white willow]

I've learned how broken point lights are in very large numbers

[vague shoal]

Probably everything

Maybe some other small features

Or more data driven files

And then it’s onto optimization

I guess

[white willow]

This only applies to very niche situations like city maps but it's still interesting how quickly it gets broken

[vague shoal]

And bug fixes

Oh yeah

Don’t forget cubemap support

I’m excited for that

Cause we will be able to make custom clouds

I just hope the cubemaps look like Java’s

[proud pike]

i hope they can optimize to the point that lava point lights can be feasibly used

who wouldn't like this

[white willow]

Let me give an example of this

This image right here. I've removed the point light falloff distance BUT there's so many of them the lighting is just breaking. Especially on farther away ones

But even some closer ones you can see gaps in the point light lighting

I believe this is the same issue with lava though so

[silent zealot]

The nether sucks

[proud pike]

yeah i've faced this issue before, even back in 1.20.50.21

[white willow]

I would love for a scene like this to work and run well

[proud pike]

this is with YSS SE, but it uses mojang's pointlight code, imma send the behind the scenes ss next

the amount of point lights it took to light this scene was stupid

without these the entire scene would be black

i hope some form of GI makes it to deferred

[white willow]

Yes would be very nice

It's still early so who knows

[silent zealot]

Mojang should enable point light for lava and just not tell us. Let your device burn

[proud pike]

GI makes a pretty big difference (Left is no GI and Right is SSRT GI, and yes this is java, sue me)

[proud pike]

instant crash for mobiles

[white willow]

With the right level of configing tho it can look crazy. I'm still working on my config. I need to optimize it ALOT though. It runs rather bad rn

[pale urchin]

Lol, that will never happen

[proud pike]

GI makes everything look not flat

[pale urchin]

For something like this, we need an actual GI solution

[proud pike]

it could, if they worked on clustering pointlights and not treating each lava source block as a seperate pointlight

my knowledge into shader code is very limited but something of this sort must be possible, no?

[pale urchin]

https://tenor.com/view/kronk-emperors-new-groove-angel-gif-20243447

[proud pike]

[pale urchin]

But I still doubt they'll do something like this. point lights are meant to be used for blocks that are small-ish. Like torches and lanterns

For large quantities of full blocks, global illumination techniques should be used instead

[proud pike]

also adjusting the strength of the pointlight depending on how many source blocks get clustered to achieve the same effect that more pointlights would have had

[proud pike]

thats true

[long ruin]

I'd love to have GI in deferred

[white willow]

It would be cool if emission had an effect on how bright a point light was. All emission does rn is control bloom

[proud pike]

but if GI is not in the picture, this should be the next logical step with what they already have.

[pale urchin]

They did mention they were looking into GI

[proud pike]

Imagine if emission actually worked as a pointlight

[pale urchin]

And how they don't intend for pointlights to be used with full blocks

[silent zealot]

And even thats broken

Anything above 15 looks the same to me

[white willow]

I've done testing on it

Higher values do make a difference

It's very minor but they do

255 vs 15 is vastly more bloomy. It's just the way bloom scales is weird

[silent zealot]

I would love to see a screenshot of all 256 values

Thats an order, someone do it for me please

[white willow]

1-10 appears to control the actual pixel brightness, everything above that is bloom

[pale urchin]

This might not be a good solution, but what if the emission values were more sensitive at lower values, then it gets much brighter the more it goes

Like an x^2 curve

[proud pike]

:o

[pale urchin]

That way we still get the max brightness that we have available but it's much easier to make it less intense

[proud pike]

Veka is typing...

[silent zealot]

Revokes typing perms

[proud pike]

[silent zealot]

Oh...he actually stopped typing

[proud pike]

still typing for me

:p

[sonic canopy]

Can ya'll stop stalking my typing status already -_-

[pale urchin]

We wait for your response

[long ruin]

[proud pike]

we humbly await the knowledge you bestow upon us.

[long ruin]

We just love you so much :)

[proud pike]

[long ruin]

[proud pike]

he stopped typing

[sonic canopy]

Emissive brightness is controlled linearly, the issue is that there is no GI, so it literally can only affect bloom and nothing else. Past a certain brightness, any color just looks the same anyways. While expecting GI may not be realistic, I think a different kind of bloom can help with that as well. Current implementation has a very harsh falloff and small radius, while industry standard implementations look much better imo, since they have a softer and larger falloff.

Also both deferred and RTX are missing one important step which makes all the difference. They're using just the last mip as bloom, while you're supposed to sum up all of the mips. Here's comparison of bloomed texture with and without summing up the mip levels

Edit: deferred does the summation, but I think there is something else not right with that bloom that causes it to look the way it does. Potentially not enough mips or a small blur radius

If they can change that one thing, it will make a HUGE difference on the visuals imo

[long ruin]

Hopefully RTX could get this someday

But I have more faith that Deferred will have that

Since it's actively being developed

[silent zealot]

Their focus right now is cross platform features

[long ruin]

Yeah

[proud pike]

i hope the devs are taking notes

[quasi trench]

i just realized that deferred is gonna look diff when everything can be a pointlight

[tribal trail]

true

I love smart people who know computer graphics

[proud pike]

[faint snow]

How to download Minecraft preview

On iOS

[vague shoal]

Download TestFlight

Go to Minecraft preview faq

Click “here”

And it will take u back to TestFlight

And let you download it

But it’s full rn

You have to wait for more slots to open

[faint snow]

ok

[drowsy lantern]

Why glass and honey block don't work but slime texture work on deferred?

[white willow]

Transparency issue

[white willow]

You'll have to change their opacity level to around 55%

[vague shoal]

I wonder what kind of deferred packs will be on the market place

Once released

[silent zealot]

🙏 hook me up Mojang

[vague shoal]

Yah

[safe urchin]

it would be interesting to see a Deferred pack made by mojang staff themselves

Something like "vanilla Deferred pack"