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[pale urchin]

You reach sky light level 0 at that point so technically yes it should happen

[tribal trail]

[pale urchin]

"Should" in the sense that that's how the current solution naturally works. But again it's temporary

[hoary tendon]

I’ve found 3 issues I’d like to confirm with you all regarding deferred. I won’t make a bug report unless I can confirm this to not be pack specific

With reflections, it tends to create a circular shape on the block

Light leaks, though in small amounts

The circular bug occuring still

theres one more I ran into aswell, let me find that rq

It's too hard to recapture, but cloud reflections on ice. it doesn't go with the clouds, the best way to put it is that it "teleports"

[pale urchin]

I think it's to do with the reflections not updating all the time. It only updates during certain conditions. Time passing, distance traveled, light levels changing, etc

[hoary tendon]

The issue is, it becomes very noticeable during certain times of the day

I’ve also noticed major lag issues when going within 30 blocks of a village

One last thing. With both RTX and Deferred, the lighting resetting.

I wonder how other games get around that, because that shift to the night or day becomes very noticeable

That’s all, overall, deferred is shaping up to become very beautiful. I believe that once it’s done it’ll be awesome!

[quasi trench]

fullblown deferred without bugs will be so great

and optimized

60fps+

[sonic canopy]

This is just how approximation for direct lighting for explicit lights (point and directional lights) works in graphics

[viscid moth]

yo they fixed the iron bar bug

[pale urchin]

Sweet! Uhm, what did it look like before?

[viscid moth]

there was a bug where
the one face/side of iron bar would only get pbr applied on them
so it was like ✅ ❎ ✅ ❎ ✅ ❎ ✅ ❎ ✅ ❎ ✅ ❎

connected part weren't working with pbr

but if you look at behind it was like
first side iron bar row:✅ ❎ ✅ ❎ ✅ ❎ ✅ ❎ ✅ ❎ ✅ ❎
same row from behind:❎ ✅ ❎ ✅ ❎ ✅ ❎ ✅ ❎ ✅ ❎ ✅

[tribal trail]

what

[pale urchin]

I was saying to answer my question here, but you already did

[white willow]

it still reflects some sky but like enough that it doesnt drown out the color

[tribal trail]

imo this shows it the best

[white willow]

by about how much did you reduce it by

[tribal trail]

I reduced the brightness of the sky by half

[white willow]

the bottom one here has much clearer reflection]

[white willow]

alright ill try this out and see how it looks

was it zentith or horizon or both

[tribal trail]

If it weren't for the fact that the sky is too dark after this change, I would use it

[vague shoal]

Coming soon.

“Relive your memories with classic textures but with pbr and shadows and more! And multiple cubemaps to select from that will bring nostalgic Minecraft memories back with this pack, best used in old worlds you have or play”

[faint snow]

😂💀😂💀

[white willow]

i found a uh... interesting bug. idk if this happens to anyone else. im gonna post the video in a second. (related to sky reflection)

[safe urchin]

Bloom is messed on Android

[silent zealot]

Does global_metalness_emissive_roughness even work anymore? I set it to #FF00FF and none of my blocks are metallic, I set it to #00FFFF and it doesnt glow

[pale urchin]

Reflections just take a bit to update

[white willow]

Figured. I had it last like 5-10 seconds once which I wanted to record it doing that but couldn't get it to happen again

[long ruin]

Always been ever since Deferred was introduced

[viscid moth]

yeah I believe it's effed

[white willow]

I put in a bug report ticket on this a few days ago so hopefully it gets attention

[silent zealot]

Bug report link?

[viscid moth]

Hopefully it's not bug report 69420

[white willow]

https://bugs.mojang.com/browse/MCPE-179675

[sonic canopy]

I wish we could configure upscaling scale. Lower end devices would benefit from rendering at lower resolution, which might be very difficult or impossible to configure without an official way to do that. And more powerful devices can set the scale to 100% and only benefit from Temporal Anti Aliasing, at full resolution. Aliasing is a problem in deferred, since many packs turn off mipmaps, and msaa doesn't work with deferred pipeline.

[tribal trail]

true, but I wish they would fix the ghosting first

[viscid moth]

Mojang gods, Pls fulfil Veka wish.
In turn I give you a cookie. 🍪

[sonic canopy]

I'd be fine even with a parameter in renderer folder. Currently there is no way whatsoever to configure it, outside of game modding

[viscid moth]

so it's just hardcoded or does it dynamically changes on your device resolution

[sonic canopy]

Resolution scale is hardcoded, iirc it's 75% of your device resolution

[white willow]

Agreed on the aliasing thing. I much prefer no upscaling due to ghosting but the image not being smooth is pretty annoying too

But the only way to currently get any form of AA is to enable upscaling

[drowsy lantern]

I see this bug on new atmosphere my deferred

[tribal trail]

not shader, texturepack

[drowsy lantern]

Red grass is worse than this

[tribal trail]

?

[tribal trail]

I wanted to read it

bro

[drowsy lantern]

Mybe i add material.bin file for circular point light

[tribal trail]

but you didn't

so it's texturepack

[drowsy lantern]

like this

[tribal trail]

but did you add it already?

[drowsy lantern]

No but i mybe add it add release tomorrow.

It's texture pack for now

[stark harness]

Is there a way to change the values on xbox

[drowsy lantern]

@viscid moth How can i fix it?

[pale urchin]

Flowing water uses a different texture from still water so you need to modify that too

[drowsy lantern]

@viscid moth how did you fix glass texture?
My glass have reflection but glass texture not working.

[quick beacon]

Opaque stuff no work

[white willow]

From what I know you have to remove the transparent pixels in the middle of the glass and not be very transparent

this explanation is horrible

[drowsy lantern]

#1182095383015456829 message
I want like it

[silent zealot]

Do you mean...translucent?

[tribal trail]

Never mind

[drowsy lantern]

Yes

[drowsy lantern]

How i can fix this bug?

[white willow]

What bug

It looks fine to me

Mostly

Nvm it looks wrong but I'm not quite sure what the issue is

[drowsy lantern]

Up flow texture have different color

[white willow]

I dont believe there's anything wrong with that

Or anything you could do

[viscid moth]

I used a 255 metallic value and added some thicker transparent pixels

[quasi trench]

i hope they intend to optimize enough so every light can be a pointlight

:doggySmurkW:

[long ruin]

[blazing whale]

how to make dynamic light work on deferred?

[sonic canopy]

Tonemappers changed in latest preview 1.20.80.23, here's updated list: aces, hable, reinhard, reinhard_luma, reinhard_luminance
hable is a renamed uncharted2, reinhard_luma was renamed to reinhard_luminance (a new default), while reinhard_luma is a new tonemap

[proud pike]

:o

[pale urchin]

We had reinhard_bodie as the default right? I wonder how deferred looks now

[quick beacon]

Looks the same to me

but I was in a world for 5 seconds

[sonic canopy]

Looks about the same to me, reinhard tonemaps are hard to distinguish without side by side comparison

[silent zealot]

Take a screenshot in .22 then update to .23

🤷

Something none of yall do 😂

[sonic canopy]

Actually this seems different, I don't remember color being clamped like that before, Previously those 2 would be just white iirc

Also someone should try the new reinhard_luma

[quick beacon]

uhhhh

super bright

[quick beacon]

I will :D

[sonic canopy]

it's back 😔

[quick beacon]

[white willow]

noooo the circle point lights

[proud pike]

[tribal trail]

nuh uh

it looks bad

[quick beacon]

pbr works here lol

I forgot I had pbr on that particle

[white willow]

WHU

[sonic canopy]

Ooo nice

[white willow]

well time to make emissive lava bubbles

[sonic canopy]

try items lol

[quick beacon]

will do boss

[tribal trail]

:00000

WOW

[proud pike]

nicee

[white willow]

at first glances, the new tonemap feels very vibrant

[sonic canopy]

VERY (this one is the new default)

It should have a whitepoint but it doesn't go to white fully, weird

[white willow]

the new default i should sayt

lemme try the new luma one

[proud pike]

ok thats wayy too saturated 💀

[white willow]

i dont really see anything different with reinhard_luma

[quick beacon]

no :(

[pale urchin]

They didn't announce it, huh. Does it work wit other particles?

[quick beacon]

I will check

[white willow]

reinhard luminance left, reinhard luma right

reinhard luma looks like the old deferred

[long ruin]

[tribal trail]

this one is better imo

in the second one, the glowstone is too saturated

[white willow]

definitely

which btw my glowstone texture IS desaturated too

[tribal trail]

is this the new default?

[white willow]

no

sorry

[tribal trail]

?

:c

:'c

[white willow]

the other one is the new default

[tribal trail]

[white willow]

reinhard luma looks much closer to aces without emissive desaturation

[proud pike]

very saturated :P

[white willow]

aces left reinhard_luma right

[sonic canopy]

I'm sad they didn't add filmic tonemap :(

[proud pike]

new doggo

[tribal trail]

cute

[white willow]

sky reflections taking over my leaves

[proud pike]

this is amazing @tribal trail ❤️

i love it

[tribal trail]

i wish they could add refraction, to make things wavy underwater

[proud pike]

the doggo gang is here to judge you

[tribal trail]

like here

[quick beacon]

I'm going back to aces

[tribal trail]

[tribal trail]

which version are you using btw?

1.2.7 "fixes" sky reflections being everywhere

[white willow]

@tribal trail quick question regarding the sky reflection thing. was your fix just lowering the sky color values?

[tribal trail]

yes

[white willow]

hm i tried that and it didnt do anyhting. maybe i didnt reduce it enough

[tribal trail]

but I didn't fix it completely, I minimized the problem

[proud pike]

1.2.6

the one you sent me in dms

:p

[tribal trail]

to the point where it's not so annoying

[tribal trail]

on mcpedl you cna get 1.2.7

[proud pike]

ah alr

[white willow]

i see. im just gonna reduce it even more without messing up my sky colors... hopefully

[proud pike]

I honestly prefer the old tonemap :p

[tribal trail]

better sky, less reflections on grass and more

[sonic canopy]

It was mentioned in the qna, here's a list of all features that they talked about

• Color grading (contrast, saturation, gain, offset and split-tone grading)
• Water lighting + movement (caustics, noise, volumetric rays, reflections, refractions (maybe Snell's window), "Water will operate on properties like how much algae is present.")
• Subsurface scattering
• Reflections (SSR + IBL)
• PBR Texture Set support for Items and particles.

[proud pike]

what was IBL supposed to be?

[white willow]

we have those

[proud pike]

its escaping my mind atm

[sonic canopy]

Image Based Lighting (basically fancy cubemap reflections)

[proud pike]

ah yeah

[tribal trail]

:0

Now my sun looks bad :c

[white willow]

oh well uhhhh my sky is pink now after lowering some values

i think i removed too much green

[proud pike]

aces still better :p

[sonic canopy]

Pro tip: make your packs in ACES so that you can judge properly how bright things are, and later you can switch tonemapper when that options becomes data driven

[tribal trail]

correcting pbr to make it look good with a different tonemap should be so simple that it seems unnecessary to me

[sonic canopy]

I want to make a reference deferred pack at some point, which will have the atmosphere and sunlight fitted to the proper realistic atmosphere model, so that there can be a reference point for pack creators, with the most realistic brightness and colors

[proud pike]

ACES moment

[tribal trail]

emissivity with deferred is weird in general and with ACES it is even weirder

[proud pike]

ok this looks nicee

besides the overblown sun

the water is fantastic

great work alegzzis

[tribal trail]

Thank you 😊

[white willow]

yeah i cant get any of the sky color stuff to actually do anything to reflections

[sonic canopy]

What are you changing?

[white willow]

the sky color values

[sonic canopy]

Setting them to 0 should help /j

[proud pike]

quite real

aces looks pretty nice during daytime

[white willow]

hmmmmmmmmm aces doesnt have the sky reflection issue

or at least as bad

[white willow]

interesting

[white willow]

this looks neat

[proud pike]

[white willow]

heh this is cool

[sonic canopy]

Not enough bloom for how bright they are

[white willow]

they have an emissive value of about 1 or 3 rn

i can turn it up and see how bloom affects it

[tribal trail]

i can't get pbr for rain

[white willow]

the rain here uh.... looks a little emissive

despite the fact i havent changed it

and the droplets are pink

found out why they were broken

[white willow]

what is lightning classified as... i wanna try something

also where would i even find that

[sonic canopy]

lightning doesn't have a texture, and currently it's rasterized, meaning not a part of deferred pipeline so it's impossible to add pbr to it

[white willow]

shoot

might increase the emissives a little bit for some more bloom

[sonic canopy]

beacon beam does have a texture tho textures/entity/beacon_beam.png
Not sure if it can be edited to include PBR tho, but it appears to be at least influenced by global MER values

[white willow]

hmmmmm

ill give it a go

[sonic canopy]

:0

wish particles could cast light on the ground

[white willow]

maybe they could in the future if like some from of emissive GI got added

maybe i could define them a point light... no thats a bad idea

[sonic canopy]

Depends on what kind of point light, they could just do what I did in my 1.18 shader and scale particles up, and add lighting based on depth behind the particle

so basically deferred light volumes

[white willow]

beacon beam does not work

[sonic canopy]

Is it affected by global MER?

[white willow]

i would have to change actor values for that right

[sonic canopy]

You could add texture to every single entity and block, and just edit global MER to only affect the beacon beam 🙃

[sonic canopy]

I think so

[white willow]

welp my game crashed

it appears global mer is not working at all right now

[sonic canopy]

Ah :(

[white willow]

entities currently have 150 in the green channel

these pigs should be glowing

bloom go brrr

[sonic canopy]

If u edit light block point light colors and place some of them here, it might look cool, as if the particles are glowing

[white willow]

i havent added light block yet i forget it exists hold on

[sonic canopy]

I meant the light block block, not particle

[white willow]

yea ik

let me make a light block point light rq

[sonic canopy]

Btw while we are talking about it, dynamic lighting is done by installing dynamic lighting add-on and editing light block to have a point light

[white willow]

oh it has one but it doesnt work

[sonic canopy]

Huh? Do you use light block with level 0 by any chance?

[white willow]

oh i have to turn it on

i have no idea how these things work lol

[sonic canopy]

/give @s light_block 15 to give full brightnes block

If only light block point lights worked in RTX 😔

[sonic canopy]

:0

Is that with aces?

[white willow]

no reinhard_luma

let me try aces

[sonic canopy]

Try using very saturated color

Blue or purple looks great with aces, because of hue shifts

[white willow]

heres aces

that looks sick

im gonna lower the emissive value because it feels too high

[sonic canopy]

It doesn't have enough bloom imo, do you have it at 100% in the settings?

[white willow]

100% and 255 green

[sonic canopy]

Hmmm

there are bloom configs in renderer folder

nobody tried changing them before it seems

[white willow]

i can modify it see what itll do

im gonna double the intensity

[sonic canopy]

Also might be worth trying to disable depth scaling

[white willow]

like this?

[sonic canopy]

Yup

[sonic canopy]

MORE BLOOM

[white willow]

doubled again

[sonic canopy]

Set it to 1

give it all the bloom

the most bloom ever

[white willow]

ITS AFFECTING MY SCREEN NOW

oh god

[sonic canopy]

Ok well bloom radius is too small, wish we could configure numer of downscaling passes for it

[sonic canopy]

That looks quite interesting tho

dreamy

How does overworld look like?

[white willow]

THE RAIN

[sonic canopy]

At day

[tribal trail]

pointlight shadows are not working

[white willow]

B L O O M

[sonic canopy]

what about nether

[tribal trail]

veka, do you also have this problem

[white willow]

oh jeez this is cursed

[sonic canopy]

nop

What are your coords? How deep underground are you?

Also check the point light shadows slider in settings

[white willow]

with default bloom at 100% in settings

[tribal trail]

what...?

now it works

That the

[sonic canopy]

Looks like the might've changed something about point light shadows, and now only certain number of lights re-render shadows each frame

[sonic canopy]

Huh

[white willow]

default tonemap left, reinhard luma top right, aces bottom right

[tribal trail]

see this cut off light?

when I move, sometimes the shadows come back

[white willow]

wait... point lights no longer seem to blink and stuff

like before youd move away from them and theyd blink and flicker

they dont do that now

aside from uh... the circles being back

makes me wonder if there were deferred changes this update but they were left out of the patch notes

[pale urchin]

@white willow I see emission works on particles but what about metalness and roughness?

[white willow]

Id imagine so I can definitely test later

Actually I just test it now I have nothing else to do

[sonic canopy]

Metalness might be broken and still use metalness value of blocks behind

[white willow]

it seems to work but its very hard to tell

[pale urchin]

What if you define a solid colour in the texture? That might make it easier to see

[white willow]

they dont really seem to reflect anything

so it mostly appears that emissive is the only working thing

[tribal trail]

what about heightmaps?

[sonic canopy]

And normalmaps. Particles with spherical normals might look cool

[white willow]

i have a heightmap applied and it doest appear to be there

[sonic canopy]

Also try particles_opaque particle material

[white willow]

how would i do that

actually i think the heightmap does work

its just hard to tell

[tribal trail]

can't get to work particles from fireworks

[sonic canopy]

Pretty sure those are entities, not particles

[sonic canopy]

In the particle file from particles folder, change material from particles_blend to particles_opaque

[white willow]

the hearts are currently set to particle_alpha so lemme change that

didnt change anything

oh you can see the heightmap on the particle thats still on the dog

so those do work

they just arent very strong

Ok yes heightmaps DO in fact work. the other stuff doesnt seem to tho

[quick beacon]

It feels good discovering a thing for y'all <3

[hoary tendon]

Has anyone noticed that light passes through doors

[white willow]

In what way

[hoary tendon]

Like it completely ignores doors 😂

[white willow]

Oh

Welp that's some deferred jank lol

I'm sure that'll get better

With time

[hoary tendon]

There’s also the issue of light at certain distances being able be seen through blocks

I know there was an explanation for it earlier, but I believe if it is fixed it will lessen lag, as its rendering less light

[blazing whale]

excuse me, how do I make the particles light up?

[quick beacon]

texture set

[hoary tendon]

I’m also trying to figure out why in villages during the day my fps drops by 40

[pale urchin]

To fix it would mean making ALL point lights have a shadow. That's the opposite of less lag

[quick beacon]

I had a texture set on my smoke particle since deferred ropped

[white willow]

Glass

[quick beacon]

But to help out. You make use the green channel on the particle texture to make them glow. It works the same as block and entity PBR

[quick beacon]

Tho my jaw dropped lol

[blazing whale]

Ok

[hoary tendon]

Hm, seems like it’s not glass, was only 5 pieces in the whole village

It’s odd, but it seems like when I set it to night and then it turns day again, lag occurs for the rest of the time I play

[white willow]

Glass is VERY laggy

[hoary tendon]

I deleted all the pieces

[white willow]

But if it's happening everywhere then idk

Oh do you have volumetric fog on ultra?

If so set it to high

[hoary tendon]

Why?

[white willow]

Ultra is extremely laggy and unoptimized

[hoary tendon]

I’ve noticed it’s the same quality as medium

[white willow]

Never use ultra volumetric fog

[hoary tendon]

I don’t

[white willow]

Then if that's not the case not sure why the lag would be bad

[hoary tendon]

What connection does this have to the topic we were on though

lol

Oops

Discord glitch sent it twice

[white willow]

You mentioned lag during the day

Fog is strong during the day

So I asked if you were running that on ultra

[hoary tendon]

The first day has no issues

The second day it causes issues

[white willow]

No idea

[hoary tendon]

Longer I play the higher my mem gets too. Keeps getting higher

[silent zealot]

Ah sneaky graphics team sneaking particle pbr into this weeks preview

[quick beacon]

I found it by accident...

I forgot I had pbr on my campfire smoke

[stark harness]

Is there gonna be rtx in the defferd rendering

[white willow]

Not at the moment

And probably won't

Raytraced options would be cool but I'm not sure if it would happen

[pale urchin]

That's just raytracing mode

[vague shoal]

Ohh so we did get a new deferred change this week

[pale urchin]

It looks like we kinda got PBR support for particles, although it doesn't seem complete

[white willow]

Yeah some things are still a little broken. Heightmaps and I'd assume normals work, but metalness and roughness don't

Currently they can be "3D" and glow

More than likely added as a mistake but really cool either way

[viscid moth]

wait did they change to reinhard_luminance

they changed it again

[vague grove]

damn

[viscid moth]

bruh what happended to jodie?

[sonic canopy]

Jodie no more 😔

[viscid moth]

😭 no My pack was built for it
they gotta let us customize the tone mapping to uses aces

also what's happening with this grate block

[tribal trail]

Jodie died :c

uwu

[viscid moth]

💀 why would you say uwu after jodie just died

[white willow]

Rest in pepperonis Reinhard_jodie

[earnest sierra]

It rained so hard to the point where Jodie died

o7

[vague shoal]

who is jodie

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-patrick-brain-dead-drool-bored-gif-7233020

[earnest sierra]

a tonemapper

[vague shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/ja-gif-23934764

[tribal trail]

Why not

[blazing whale]

Excuse me, I want to ask, can Deferred later have volumetric blocklight fog?

[viscid moth]

I assume you mean that point lights affecting the volumetric fog
but it's a decision by the devs so we may see it

[quick beacon]

A few previews back the code for volumetric pointlight existed. It allowed the light to scatter within vol fog

I have an old screenshot somewhere that shows it

[viscid moth]

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[blazing whale]

Ok thank for information

[tribal trail]

not blocklight fog, but pointlight fog

[blazing whale]

Ok

[quick beacon]

Yea this.

[mossy verge]

I think veka created this code himself

This never existed in preview

[quick beacon]

He enabled the code

He sent me it too in DMs

[mossy verge]

How many features mojang is hiding 🤨

[sonic canopy]

Yup

[sonic canopy]

Not quite, there was a buffer with point lights inside of volumetric fog shader, but it was unused and didn't work when I tried it, so I made volumetrics in a different, custom way

The fact that this buffer is present in shader code doesn't confirm that they will add this feature in the future

[long ruin]

[quick beacon]

yea

they can work on a thing and not work on it later, or never work on it again

[sonic canopy]

Also I wanna make that vl shader again. Now that point lights have shadows, they can also cast volumetric shadows and create light shafts :)

[quick beacon]

do it do it do it

[mossy verge]

The reason we need shader support

[sonic canopy]

Or it's possible that they never worked on it to begin with, and left buffer in code unintentionally

[quick beacon]

could be

[viscid moth]

might just be a feature

[unborn heart]

are water waves etc out yet.And if not are they planning on it

[white willow]

They are not

It's only possible to simulate it via normal map

[vague shoal]

Can we make something similar to it

I hate normal water

Texture

[white willow]

As I said normal maps

[vague shoal]

Oh

[white willow]

The only way to really do it rn

Funny enough normal rtxs wavy water is just a normal

BetterRTX added in actual wave parallax tho

[vague shoal]

It was never wavy

I don’t think

It was normal water texture

And then when you went under it

It seemed wavy

[white willow]

No it is

[vague shoal]

Pics please

[white willow]

Very VERY subtlety

I haven't used normal RTX in a while

[vague shoal]

It probably depended on the pack

I guess

[white willow]

No

I have pics I gotta find them

[tribal trail]

you have to be very close to the water surface to see them

like VERY close

[vague shoal]

Dang

[tribal trail]

one block distance I would say

[vague shoal]

I don’t like default water texture

In rtx

[tribal trail]

you have to have the camera almost in the water to see them

[vague shoal]

Or deferred

[tribal trail]

i like mine

[white willow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/704786189944881203/1206452964701634580/2024-02-11_23-11-50.mp4?ex=660a3461&is=65f7bf61&hm=e5b5a830392ffd91b53845316e392f22749d68f3243496bf4b1533444aecb6b7&

[white willow]

I made water a mirror here

For fun

[vague shoal]

OH THATS GOOD

THATS WHAT I WANNA SEE IN DEFERRED

[white willow]

Normal RTX water is "wavy" but it's wavy via normal map not parallax

[tribal trail]

deferred water can look good

[white willow]

It could be possible to make a normal like that

[vague shoal]

Still don’t like it cause default water texture

[white willow]

I tried using the RTX water normal on deferred doesn't work cuz it's not animated though

[vague shoal]

I could fix that with a clear water texture pack tho

[white willow]

You lose the details

[vague shoal]

😭

[vague shoal]

Now that looks good

[white willow]

Yeah like that

[vague shoal]

Where can I find that texture

Why an x

Lemme guess you made it

And not released yet

[tribal trail]

edited

[tribal trail]

and i will never realase

[vague shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-gif-13261737358986789359

Why not

[white willow]

Some people will just make stuff for fun but not release it

[vague shoal]

It looks so good

[white willow]

Like I made a bunch of sword models but I don't wanna release them

[tribal trail]

no texture

[vague shoal]

Looks better

[vague shoal]

👍

[tribal trail]

not for me

[vague shoal]

😢

[tribal trail]

i like it more with texture

especially since it is quite subtle

[white willow]

i retract my statement regardiong clear water

and details being lost in the normal

rtx looks better with clear water (imo) deferred looks better with texture

reasons for that

rtx water can be independently colored by fog

therefore it can exist on its own without needing some kind of texture on it

ontop of reflections being clearer with clear water

now my opinion might change when ssr is added but for now

[quick beacon]

I leave this channel for 5 minutes and there are already loads of messages

[quick beacon]

I'm thirsty after watching this

[sonic canopy]

Looks like molten titanium to me

[quasi trench]

what we’ll never have 💔

[long ruin]

[pale urchin]

Isn't that an ingame screenshot?

[quasi trench]

its a water she’ll never release to us

[pale urchin]

Ooohhh

😦

[quasi trench]

unless

[vague shoal]

Let’s remake it

[long ruin]

Some of the best work may never be revealed

[vague shoal]

@still zenith sorry for the ping but is there a reason why my deferred render distance doesn’t go past 12 chunks on my worlds but it does on realms or multiplayer worlds?

[proud pike]

performance reasons probably

[pale urchin]

Realms can go up to 20 now, right?

[white willow]

Realms have better performance than hosted worlds

That's probably why

Hosted worlds will always run worse if you are hosting it

[glad fern]

?On playstation consoles Defferred will work ???

[vague shoal]

Not yet

[glad fern]

?The differed It will come on ps4/5 ??

[silent zealot]

Maybe

[vague shoal]

Ofc

Just not yet

[sonic canopy]

Would've been cool if tinted glass was casting shadows from directional and point lights

[long ruin]

Yeah

[drowsy lantern]

Does it add to Minecraft by Mojang or it's only on your custom shader?

[mossy verge]

It's a custom shader

[viscid moth]

It's a custom one
I believe it is made by Veka

[ashen star]

hi

[tribal trail]

24 chunks

12 chunks

8 chunks

24 chunks

i hate it how different it looks

[quick beacon]

@glad fern Please do not ping everyone for questions.

[quick beacon]

@faint snow Why did you attempt to ping everyone?

[long ruin]

[quasi trench]

maybe theyre bots now

taken over by the nsfw scams going around

[faint snow]

Earth is flat

Mark Zuckerberg is a lizard

[quasi trench]

BOT

GET HIM

[faint snow]

Mark my words they will add reflections in 1.20.90.29

[quasi trench]

bot trying to break our hearts

[viscid moth]

ehmmm

[tribal trail]

❓

[viscid moth]

cloud shadow bug

[viscid moth]

forgot to say that

[drowsy lantern]

#1182095383015456829 message
Is it custom reflection block code or it's by Mojang?

[mossy verge]

That's ray tracing

Not deferred

[drowsy lantern]

Ok

[vague grove]

Is that rtx? I still can’t seem to get animated normals working for deferred rendering

[long ruin]

That's deferred

[vague grove]

really?

HOW

[proud pike]

Alegzzis' dark magic

[quick beacon]

normal map

[vague grove]

Yeah I get that, but how tf do you get it to animate?!

For the life of me, I can’t figure out animated normals

[quick beacon]

it works the same as with animated blocks

[vague grove]

No it doesn’t. At least for me, when I try to animate a normal texture it stays in place

[glad fern]

@quick beacon the luminous Dreams shader pack will Be available on marketplace ?? Or lan world I tried to get the pack But it's not on my packs on Bedrock ps4 you know why ?

[quick beacon]

No

[long ruin]

Ps4 doesn't support Deferred yet

[viscid moth]

if you are having a bad day
here

[weak saffron]

I don't geddit

[viscid moth]

look again

[weak saffron]

yeah, that ain't triggering anything, command block one still does

[viscid moth]

no you didn't have to remind me
i got over it just like a week a go

[white willow]

NOOOOOOOO

And what's wrong with the command block

[viscid moth]

new vault particle looks kinda cool
but this is not how they are used in the trial spawner/vault?
i don't know how to give variables

mute while watching

[viscid moth]

look closely

[white willow]

ITS NOT CENTERED

It's off by like 1 pixel I think

[viscid moth]

yeah

[white willow]

Welp when I do the command block imma fix it

Nah I'm to lazy to do that actually

[viscid moth]

💀

[white willow]

Oh noooo

[viscid moth]

nvm it still not centered

[white willow]

THE TOP PIXELS

Or is it off to the left

Wait

[weak saffron]

bruh. using a bluetooth keyboard on android is weird...

[viscid moth]

here lmao

looks like i just slapped some pixleated stuff on a pirate cross lmao

[tribal trail]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[rocky halo]

why on bedrock the sunrise don't start at the first rays of sunshine?

[viscid moth]

kinda confused
are you in deferred or not

[rocky halo]

it's java

[viscid moth]

bruh

[viscid moth]

Non-Parity Moment

[rocky halo]

also the sky is less blue on java

i prefer the bedrock one in this case

[viscid moth]

I believe bedrock also has a feature that makes the sky different depending on how look at it

[rocky halo]

ah ok

[vague shoal]

Could deferred water possibly look like this in the future??

[long ruin]

[vague shoal]

I hope the graphics team takes note of this

I would love to have water like this

Also

Anyone noticed we haven’t heard from aaja Brams in a while?

I wonder if they’re working on something big

[long ruin]

Cooking maybe

[vague shoal]

👀

[long ruin]

I take that back, they're always cooking

[vague shoal]

For 1.21 preview

[long ruin]

[vague shoal]

Yeah but what if it’s a big cook

[earnest sierra]

I hope he’s doing well

[long ruin]

Yeah

[vague shoal]

Me too

[faint snow]

I hope deferred in the future will look similar to this

[white willow]

id imagine they are cooking stuff up. i have full confidence in deferred looking very good upon completion

[faint snow]

Deferred has point light shadows while Java shaders don’t

[white willow]

yeah most deferred java shaders dont have something like that

i think bliss does

but bliss is also just insane

[faint snow]

It looks alright. My favourite shader is Sildrus vibrant

It’s kind of similar to sdgp

[white willow]

i feel that

bliss is my favorite shader bar none

its got the best atmospherics of any shader ive ever used

[faint snow]

It’s best when paired with distant horizons

[rocky halo]

Personnaly I would want so much a better lod and a light pollution system with that

After speaking is easier than doing sadly

[faint snow]

Why light pollution

[vague shoal]

Deferred Java shaders???

[white willow]

yea

a lot of java shaders use deferred rendering actually

at least a form of it

[vague shoal]

Which ones

[vague shoal]

Me too

[white willow]

Bliss, kappa, nostalgia, i think BSL, I believe Astralex does

[vague shoal]

Nice

[white willow]

oh complementary i think does as well

[rocky halo]

So cool

Imagine you are in your house and you turn off light and you will see a beautiful night sky

[faint snow]

Yeah it would look cool

[white willow]

im not entirely sure how easy that would be to create though

[faint snow]

But vanilla sky sucks

Im not sure if it’s possible to create

[rocky halo]

There is a java shader which do that ? Idk I barely play java

[white willow]

idk

[viscid moth]

lmao texture atlas

[west badge]

Working on schemas, and need a link to docs on every file related to deferred

[silent zealot]

https://discord.com/channels/523663022053392405/1182091616358506577

[west badge]

Figured there might be more to it than that, but thanks

[pseudo pawn]

Why is this shown to you?

This isn't really for the public

[loud pilot]

it is

it's scripting related

https://feedback.minecraft.net/hc/en-us/articles/24509955193229-Minecraft-Beta-Preview-1-20-80-20

Creator Settings menu has a new option to automatically connect the debugger on world load (or /reload). This will make it easier to set (and catch) breakpoints at load and avoids the hassle of typing out the debugger slash command

what were you doing scrolled all the way up there anyway?

[quasi trench]

no way new preview guys

[quasi trench]

they rlly wanted to make a statement

[pseudo pawn]

Mhh interesting mojang got some balls, finally

[loud pilot]

huh?

[quasi trench]

lucy really likes mojang getting some balls…

[pseudo pawn]

I just didn't expect it to be for the scripting api

I thoight it may be for smth internal for debugging mc itself

[sonic canopy]

hmm

[long ruin]

[loud pilot]

data-driven subsurface scattering?

[sonic canopy]

Looks like it. It's been known for a while that it's coming at some point. I thought it might've been added today, but I wasn't able to get it working. Also the above string may not be an entry in texture set json but possibly something else unrelated, I didn't check further

[silent zealot]

Particles have now officially been acknowledged to support PBR

[sonic canopy]

Opaque particles still have broken metalness tho, they use metalness and subsurface of blocks underneath

[white willow]

ok so full particle pbr support looks to be available neat

[still zenith]

Yes, we are looking into this issue. We suspect it is write mask related.

[silent zealot]

Oh aajabrams, thank you for officially acknowledging pbr support for particles. Shall we expect item support soon

[still zenith]

It's being actively developed, yes. 🙏

[silent zealot]

Wonderful...it means I have time to port the 1.21 textures before being overwhelmed with items

[long ruin]

In terms of features, I like Deferred more than RTX with it's first person shadows, banner fix, entity, particle, and soon to be item pbr

And it's customizability

But RTX has ray tracing and all that goodness

But I greatly appreciate all the hard work the devs do for the MC community

[sonic canopy]

Oh hey, glad you guys finally made it back from GDC

[stark harness]

Dose the defferd preview look different now ? Since the update

[white willow]

probably not. i havent had time to look though

[white willow]

uhhhhhhhhhhhh heightmaps are uh... not working

this is also the same with rtx. ill try different packs and see if its not a me issue

normal maps are fine

more examples of this

here the water normal is functioning as intended but the grass and sand have no heightmap

they still work on entities though WHAT im so confused

[viscid moth]

also does llamas work now?

[white willow]

idk i havent looked but anything with a buggy texture before seems to be working now

i never did the rtx villager fix and they arent bugging out anymroe

[viscid moth]

llama didn't have a buggy texture
they didn't load the textureset 💀

[white willow]

oh

idk i dont have a llama texture set yet

i have very few mobs actually done

[viscid moth]

i do so i am gonna see it rn
i am still downloading the update

[white willow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1191960243899474022/1225277558220652645/2024-04-03_22-52-29.mp4?ex=66208ba6&is=660e16a6&hm=b38885ef86700576cda22671c2a618eb0c6ac8bab1928908f0db9866a4803624&

context

it seemes one fix got traded for something else breaking

but thats just how in development experimental stuff goes lol

[viscid moth]

nope doesn't work for me

[white willow]

Oh you still need that fix. Ok within the warden render controller the materials are set to bioluminescent layer

Changing it from bioluminescent layer to default should make its texture come through

That's what I did

[viscid moth]

oh

[white willow]

Yeah

After doing that the texture would blink like crazy

That was fixed

[viscid moth]

damn reflections not fixed 😔

[white willow]

No but they felt less strong but I might just be delusional

[viscid moth]

no i mean the ground
has like this box

[white willow]

OHHHH

Yeah the cube map within the reflection is still weird

[viscid moth]

the problem is that my grass has no metal and high rough
so how is it reflecting

[white willow]

Idk

Mine... does and doesn't it's very weird

So like it will have its specular but sometimes it'll reflect sky based on angle

They definitely need some tuning for sure

[viscid moth]

replace this with default right?

[white willow]

Should just have to change material

Lemme look at my warden render controller real quick

So yeah just the material

[viscid moth]

inside the warden

it worked thanks

[white willow]

Of course

[viscid moth]

@white willow so the heart isn't working anymore after material change

[white willow]

Yeah unfortunately there's not much we can do about that

You could try changing the heart material back to bioluminescent layer

[viscid moth]

bugs out all the textures

[white willow]

I just don't know if that'll break anything else

Hm

Yeah I just added a static heart to my warden model

[viscid moth]

so is there any other material types i can try

[white willow]

The only way I know of to fix it is to create an entirely new animation for the warden with the heartbeat

Which I don't have a clue how to do it

I don't know enough about blockbench atm to figure it out

[viscid moth]

same

[white willow]

So tbh I'd just add the heart to the model and just mess with it from there

[viscid moth]

not fixed :/

[tribal trail]

No.

Nuh uh

TwT

[white willow]

[tribal trail]

So this is time to release normalmaps version of my pack ig

[white willow]

Probably lol. But the fact it's broken on both deferred and RTX is a little strange

But what's even more confusing is that entity height maps work so like

Huh

[tribal trail]

RTX?

Hmmm

[white willow]

Yea I tried RTX as well and the height maps didn't load

But on the plus side the villager and warden texture flickering issues are resolved and it seems like global MER is working again

[tribal trail]

slayn't

i hate it

[sonic canopy]

Heightmapn't

[silent zealot]

[graceful iron]

imagine having heightmap issues

[drowsy lantern]

I add warden texture to my shader and fix

[graceful iron]

I use normals

[safe urchin]

looks pbrless

[viscid moth]

damn My non PBR mode is useless this preview then

[mossy verge]

Remove "shader" before veka reads it

[viscid moth]

bro about to trigger a mini-boss battle

[long ruin]

Lmao

[mossy verge]

Veka got promoted to councilor

[tribal trail]

yesn't

[sonic canopy]

always has been

[mossy verge]

My bad

[drowsy lantern]

It's shader not deferred you can see custom shadow and sun ray(fog) color

[mossy verge]

You don't need shader to change fog colour

Afaik

[tribal trail]

sun ray(fog) color is a part of what texturepack can do

bruh

[white willow]

Yeah it's built into the texture pack system

[drowsy lantern]

How?
I edit tone mapping file in Minecraft for this.

[tribal trail]

editing the config files still doesn't classify your pack as a shader

[drowsy lantern]

How i can make it on texture pack?

[white willow]

You need to create fog files

Then there's a bunch of data drivable things you can make for colored fog

Examples of this without any shader modding

[tribal trail]

BUT STILL IT WILL NOT BE SHADER

[white willow]

Yes it's still just a resource pack

[drowsy lantern]

How about edit shadow Color?

[tribal trail]

EDITING CONFIG FILES IN A GAME FOLDER WILL ALSO NOT MAKE YOUR PACK A SHADER!

[white willow]

I wish we could modify shadow darkness etc

[still zenith]

Heightmaps are broken you say!? 👀

[white willow]

Yes

Very

[tribal trail]

yass queen

[still zenith]

😦 Apologies. 🙏 We'll jump on it.

[silent zealot]

Don't jump on it, you'll just flatten the heightmaps

[white willow]

Just a note it's broken across both graphics modes

[white willow]

But huge W

[long ruin]

Lmao

[quick beacon]

It's okay ^^' ❤️

[viscid moth]

also bloom is effed?

[proud pike]

[viscid moth]

i am having bloom not working
it works sometimes but it doesn't sometimes

[silent zealot]

global.json is also not working....for pbr anyways

[long ruin]

still no bloom on Android :(

[proud pike]

:o

[viscid moth]

yeah that's the problem i had
i was playing on the 1.20.80.23 bloom was working and no shadow strip issues
I reinstalled the same minecraft preview from a version switcher and i got issues that android are facing
and they are still here

i am on windows

nvm it's working now
my emissive is at 255 rn

[white willow]

Still? It looked like it was for me. Some of my blocks that didn't have manual pbr done weren't reflecting the world anymore

[viscid moth]

my blooom issue not working is due to the vol fog being thick :-:

[quasi trench]

ew no pbr

barebones stonks tho

[white willow]

theres pbr

just no heightmap

cuz brokey

[quasi trench]

oh

[graceful iron]

im so lost on sky config rn

everything looks off in a way, and I have no clue what I'm missing

(Here's my lighting files btw so you guys can tell me what I'm doing wrong)

I think shadows feel too strong imo but I don't know how to fix that

[white willow]

@graceful iron this might not help with the shadow thing but i reccomend increasing sun brightness to at least 32000

[graceful iron]

32000????

[white willow]

yea

[graceful iron]

damn thats higher than i though

ok

[white willow]

it highlights fog a lot better and just in general looks better

i think mine is 36k rn it used to be 76k but i reduced it to try and fix a bug

32k might be a safe point

i would also increase your horizon blend

that would give a more distinct horizon

[graceful iron]

32000 illuminance goes crazy

[white willow]

what the hell happened here

woah

what color is your sun

that color looks fine

[graceful iron]

wait

that was the moon 💀

[white willow]

oh.....

yeah moon value can be kept really low

sun though

[white willow]

another thing id increase the mie start max values as well

from my testing it provides more color dispersion from the sun and horizon

if you want i can send you my atmosphere file if you want a baseline

[graceful iron]

please

im so confused and the Microsoft Doc thing is not really too useful

[white willow]

yeah i sent in dms

[quasi trench]

omg everything is freezing

[blazing whale]

I thought it was winter

[proud pike]

so many clowns

[white willow]

Clown takeover

[proud pike]

real

[white willow]

I wasted my time opening the loot boxes 🫡

[tribal trail]

Slayn't

[proud pike]

https://tenor.com/view/clown-license-gif-20967035

[still zenith]

Just approved the fix for heightmaps. Aiming to get it in next week's update. 🤞

[white willow]

LETS GOOOOOOOO

[raven verge]

how do i enable pbr on my addon?

got it

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/minecraft/creator/documents/deferredlighting?view=minecraft-bedrock-stable

[viscid moth]

wtf? they fixed emissives?

this is emissive 10 which would look way brighter in the past

the top texture is 1

[white willow]

Hm idk cuz when I looked at emissive stuff it still looked the same

[white willow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/738754362104479745/1226173877479280732/RPReplay_Final1712412952.MOV?ex=6623ce69&is=66115969&hm=f3fcb34fb889edf8313cf2bf01cc8f57457f8566b3d4d493d597decdcdff362a&

Black hole bug x100

[long ruin]

[white willow]

Part 2

I haven't seen this on pc yet

I also haven't played around with this much on pc

[viscid moth]

for some colors it still is way too strong
this is 1

[faint snow]

??

[vague shoal]

what pack is that?

[faint snow]

Lynx deferred

Luminous dreams. Should it look like that?

[quick beacon]

Heightmaps are broken, but not sure if it's the cause

[quick beacon]

This however appears to be regular deferred with how it handles light. I don't the correct term or explanation for this

[viscid moth]

I really need to release the 1.5.0 update
This sun looks so weird

[drowsy lantern]

What is problem in my deferred resource pack?

[white willow]

your resource pack format version is set to 1

set it to 2

[viscid moth]

wtf?
I only use 5 💀

I might wanna change that

[white willow]

Yea probably

[viscid moth]

they might wanna let us data drive the tonemapping as soon as possible
i have to make major changes everytime they change that

[viscid moth]

I don't think there's a way to get different point lights for different block states right?

[drowsy lantern]

Why?

[white willow]

Uh because format version 1 is for 1.13 and under

Format version 2 is for 1.14 upwards

[tribal trail]

this is why your pack is so dark

[drowsy lantern]

Ok

[molten lintel]

Are there any news about when deferred rendering will release

[long ruin]

No

[molten lintel]

hopefully around summer

[vague shoal]

Probably not

I’d say around December

[molten lintel]

my mc phase will be over until then again ugh

why can't they make it an experimental toggle

[vague shoal]

I don’t have an mc phase

[vague shoal]

Since deferred is not optimized yet there would be lots of people complaining how unplayable it is

With the FPS

[molten lintel]

Yeah that's why they could mention it and still give it in experimental

[vague shoal]

And there’s the fact that not all of the features are implemented

Or complete

[molten lintel]

yeah that's true

[vague shoal]

And also that switch and PlayStation haven’t been supported yet

[molten lintel]

but from what I've seen it already looks so good now

[vague shoal]

Maybe we can get an experimental toggle in normal mc by November

[molten lintel]

ofc they're leaving the platforms out I play on

[vague shoal]

Or after mc live

[vague shoal]

No they’re not

PlayStation got preview a few weeks ago

So it should get support soon

[molten lintel]

I can't get it bc u need a digital copy

[vague shoal]

Rip

[molten lintel]

😦

[vague shoal]

But luckily I have iOS preview

[molten lintel]

I have android preview but no world loads up with a deferred rendering pack

maybe my phone is too bad

[safe urchin]

(sorry for ping)
I have been facing this glitch since i updated to 1.21.0.20

It doesn't happen on new worlds

But after i leave the world then join again it happens

and there's these lines

Gets worse at lower settings

But doesn't completely disappear even on highest settings

gets wild at lowest settings

and this lag when i hold any item

[white willow]

From my testing the blue screen thing is an issue with reflections

[safe urchin]

so do i need to disable it

[white willow]

Yea

[safe urchin]

well then it'll be fixed when they update reflections