I think
#Graphics General
vague shoal
faint snow
It makes everything look pale/ugly
vague shoal
That’s why it should be toggleable
pale urchin
What is that?
vague shoal
For People that don’t like it
pale urchin
It just looks like low res default graphics
vague shoal
What _is_ that?
It’s from internal shaders from Java
Mumbo and grian use it
And I think some popular shaders use it
pale urchin
What exactly looks different? I can't tell because of the low resolution
vague shoal
Idk why it’s low resolution
Lemme find another pic
But it’s the lighting that looks different
pale urchin
What about it is different?
vague shoal
Here this video explains it https://youtu.be/kZ1A7oPhUd0?si=rx88hV3Pg1aNZfDp
pale urchin
Here this video explains it https://youtu.be/kZ1A7oPhUd0?si=rx88hV3Pg1aNZfDp
So, it basically removes the shading from the blocks?
How is that better?
long ruin
viscid moth
Basically it's fast graphics with fast lighting
pale urchin
Or a youtuber's opinion?
vague shoal
Probably cause I used to watch videos with it all the time
It could probably increase performance too
viscid moth
How
I really hate it
I used to get really frustrated bc they wouldn't turn on fancy graphics
vague shoal
For deferred users
pale urchin
There are so many other, better ways to improve performance. This would have negligable impact
viscid moth
All you would get is like 5-10 fps uplift
vague shoal
All you would get is like 5-10 fps uplift
Not bad
viscid moth
Bruh its not worth it
vague shoal
It is for me
But whatever
Maybe they can make something similar
Or make the blocks bright
white willow
What will make deferred perf better is point light optimization and fog optimizations
That's what will help
Removing shading defeats the entire purpose of deferred
pale urchin
Any optimization but removing shading
pale urchin
Or make the blocks bright
Someone actually did that already. They made all blocks bright and removed shading
Literally making a fullbright pack
vague shoal
Oh yeah
That
I completely forgot about that
Then I’ll just use that lol
Also I have a question
Why can’t my deferred render distance go past 12 in my worlds
But it can in realms
I set it to 24 chunks and it stays at 12
But not the case in realms
white willow
Must be a mobile limit cuz my only generates about 16
tribal trail
Light leaks sometimes still
tribal trail
fog is kinda weird at times too
yeah, the fog leaks sometimes too, and if it doesn't leak, it disappears
proud pike
since this has made its way out already, ill drop this here :p
quick beacon
since when was this "made its way put"?
quick beacon
since this has made its way out already, ill drop this here :p
Not sure if this actual deferred or a shader used because 
I see betterRD
Either way, looks cool
proud pike
Not sure if this actual deferred or a shader used because <:hmmm:108453026473628...
deferred water SSR in the works
moyang's implementation
tribal trail
since this has made its way out already, ill drop this here :p
what
proud pike
Is it private or public?
private
quick beacon
makes sense
proud pike
we have some of the most important devs in the shader scene in YSS :P
i mean shaders in RD exist because of us
well more accurately ddf
quick beacon
Super cool!
white willow
yeah pretty cool
proud pike
quick beacon
since this has made its way out already, ill drop this here :p
I imagined it to be more soft or blurry. Maybe if they add proper water.
proud pike
I imagined it to be more soft or blurry. Maybe if they add proper water.
its very very buggy/broken
do not take this as representative of the final product
quick beacon
Makes sense since it's still early
proud pike
quick beacon
do not take this as representative of the final product
Oh 100%
white willow
that looks really broken
quick beacon
Graphic bugs are just cool 
proud pike
quick beacon
Yea it explains why it has taken some time to hit previews
It'll be a little while before they hit a preview
white willow
yk a feature i really want. the ability to set different fog thicknessess based off time
proud pike
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1192824591479996536/1215514522627088414...
according to yss devs this is almost copied from unity and the bugs are because of incorrect calculation
quick beacon
proud pike
is that good or bad
neither
quick beacon
I think it uses some parts?
proud pike
just kinda copy paste
proud pike
I think it uses some parts?
its pretty apparent
white willow
i cannot wait to see where deferred goes next. right now it already creates some pretty good looking visuals
proud pike
i cannot wait to see where deferred goes next. right now it already creates some...
yeah same
quick beacon
It already looked pretty cool in Legends
white willow
i never imagined deferred like this when it first released
proud pike
quite interested in seeing how the devs take this forward
quick beacon
Legends had the cool cell shade style which I want 😔
quick beacon
i never imagined deferred like this when it first released
the fog here is just... yea.. Fog rn is all over the place
white willow
the fog here is just... yea.. Fog rn is all over the place
yeah im on high fog as well
white willow
deferred back in 1.19.40 previews
interesting
quick beacon
deferred back in 1.19.40 previews
imma be honest.... not looking that good compared to now
proud pike
quick beacon
quick beacon
Is there any AO in deferred atm?
quick beacon
YYS SE no work on new preview 
white willow
ultra fog helps a bit but the performance loss is killer (also it looks different because its not raining anymore)
proud pike
proud pike
YYS SE no work on new preview <:noooooo:821579586407104573>
true
update is in the works
quick beacon
don't think so
Yea that would explain why everything (the blocks) look so flat
proud pike
for SE
quick beacon
that is vanilla AO
proud pike
deferred just before official release
quick beacon
I just noiticed, back then there were no colors from the sun.
proud pike
deferred just before official release
we knew it was about to release :P
quick beacon
It's just shadows slapped onto regualr MC
proud pike
proud pike
It's just shadows slapped onto regualr MC
thats what deferred was back then :p
proud pike
pre-release screenshots of deferred
white willow
this looks more like what we got
quick beacon
long time ago
proud pike
This is how good deferred can look at its peak (before mojang removed the buffer we used for Water SSR in YSS SE, back in 1.19.63)
take this as something to look forward to for deferred soon
quick beacon
The method used for fog rn is strange
white willow
and officially as well
white willow
The method used for fog rn is strange
it looks like the rtx fog quality wise but it doesnt have anything else to it
then theres ambient fog slapped ontop of the volumetric fog
proud pike
deferred on release
white willow
huh i thought it looked much worse than that tbh
proud pike
proud pike
huh i thought it looked much worse than that tbh
it didn't
though i was using an RTX pack for these (LumenRTX to be exact)
white willow
i just remember everyone saying it was terrible
quick beacon
Compared to how it looks today.. it is bad back then
quick beacon
Lumen is cool ig
proud pike
SIsilicon is typing...
pale urchin
The method used for fog rn is strange
I don't think so. It's a pretty standard way of making physically based volumetric fog in video games nowadays
proud pike
be grateful for how good pointlights look now, this is how they looked before release :p
the bloom was ugly too
vague shoal
deferred back in 1.19.40 previews
Nice
quick beacon
be grateful for how good pointlights look now, this is how they looked before re...
why do emissive textures look better in this SS?
proud pike
why do emissive textures look better in this SS?
idk lol
quick beacon
I can actually see the lamp's texture while it has bloom
white willow
what the heck
proud pike
unrelated to deferred, screenshots of me trying rtx on my 1660ti for the first time
very buggy
quick beacon
Emissive textures rn are a bit bright
quick beacon
isnt the 1660 close to a RTX supported GPU before the 20 series launched?
white willow
unrelated to deferred, screenshots of me trying rtx on my 1660ti for the first t...
the sand in the first one 💀
proud pike
isnt the 1660 close to a RTX supported GPU before the 20 series launched?
it has no RT cores
only dxr 1.0 support
quick beacon
fair enough
quick beacon
"yet"
quick beacon
entire YSS team is cooking
proud pike
SE moment
proud pike
quick beacon
we are
||not to mention that (i think) some of em' dislike me for calling deferred shaders back in 1.20.30. I was such a dumb bean||
proud pike
rain looked very nice in SE
vague shoal
||not to mention that (i think) some of em' dislike me for calling deferred shad...
I wish we could somehow call deferred shaders
proud pike
||not to mention that (i think) some of em' dislike me for calling deferred shad...
we still dislike that, but the community seems to have changed their outlook on that
vague shoal
Without click baiting
proud pike
I wish we could somehow call deferred shaders
they aren't
quick beacon
we still dislike that, but the community seems to have changed their outlook on ...
I have deffs changed 
vague shoal
they aren't
But Minecraft normal graphics is technically shader
Even aajabrams called it shader
proud pike
But Minecraft normal graphics is technically shader
techincally everything you see being rendered is from a shader
:p
vague shoal
Yeah
quick beacon
It's like saying RT is shaders when it's.. well RT
vague shoal
So deferred is a shader like everything else
proud pike
deferred isn't shaders in the true essence of the word, atleast in the context of minecraft
if you catch my drift
quick beacon
Why is it called "deferred"
proud pike
especially not deferred packs
vague shoal
I know deferred packs isn’t
quick beacon
Why is it called "deferred"
Little class lesson for us
white willow
just as a little for fun. heres how fog differs between rtx and deferred, its not really all that different aside from how it fills the sky
quick beacon
I see a line
proud pike
line?
quick beacon
proud pike
oh
vague shoal
Why can’t we call deferred a shader as a nickname
proud pike
that is due to a fullscreen bug at the time
quick beacon
ohh
vague shoal
I call addons mods
proud pike
Why can’t we call deferred a shader as a nickname
because that is misleading
vague shoal
Sometimes
white willow
deferred is a render method thats why
proud pike
they aren't shaders
white willow
or i should say rendering technique
quick beacon
I am no smarty brain
white willow
it defers the lighting to the final stage within light processing
vague shoal
Not every Minecraft player is gonna understand that tho
white willow
which improves quality
white willow
Not every Minecraft player is gonna understand that tho
thats why we educate
quick beacon
yes it uses shader code, but it's the technique that gives it the name (I hope I am right)
proud pike
deferred was very drab before the Minecraft Legends sky
quick beacon
Far wrong I'd say, but at least I tried
vague shoal
deferred was very drab ~~before the Minecraft Legends sky~~
What’s a drab
proud pike
Far wrong I'd say, but at least I tried
silent zealot
thats why we educate
quick beacon
white willow
deferred was very drab ~~before the Minecraft Legends sky~~
it just looks super rainy
without the rain
white willow
those are very not noisy reflections
white willow
current yss looks pretty noisy on reflections
vague shoal
pre-release deferred
I wish I could’ve joined
proud pike
I wish I could’ve joined
sadge
vague shoal
Now no one will play with me
proud pike
Now no one will play with me
i mean you can join our server's next season
i hope that im not promoting now 💀
vague shoal
i mean you can join our server's next season
Yeah but no deferred
proud pike
Yeah but no deferred
true
white willow
im wondering what made it this noisy
proud pike
:p
tribal trail
Oh it's prizma used here
proud pike
Oh it's prizma used here
yes
vague shoal
im wondering what made it this noisy
Hopefully we can make deferred like yss se without material editing
proud pike
before that i was using lumen
white willow
deferred pointlights on release
oh no i forgot about this
pale urchin
im wondering what made it this noisy
Trying to emulate rough reflections without proper denoising perhaps
tribal trail
I always see it because of custom textures
proud pike
Trying to emulate rough reflections without proper denoising perhaps
yes
this
one sec i have a clear example of this
white willow
still looks far less noisy than my ss 
pale urchin
You know I think SSR will officially only appear for transparent objects for now
Because you have to do something different for solid surfaces in deferred
proud pike
first release of SE
long ruin
first release of SE
Good times
proud pike
My first experience with deferred, it broke super hard
proud pike
Good times
sure were
pale urchin
first release of SE
We just need anisotropy and leak fixes :)
long ruin
I remember running it on the Intel UHD 620
proud pike
I remember running it on the Intel UHD 620
yeah lol
more RTX on GTX
Crazy bugs with heightmap based packs
pale urchin
Crazy bugs with heightmap based packs
laser tag in Minecraft be like:
proud pike
truly a rtx on gtx moment
white willow
mega broken
proud pike
yes
it was only that case for heightmap based packs
normal map based packs worked fine
with no bugs
this is a very early implementation of RTX running on unsupported hardware
i can't complain :p
lava pointlights on a old version of YSS SE
white willow
it looks fairly decent. i mean tbh old rtx was a little... funky
really REALLY smeary pbr
proud pike
old emissives on SE
white willow
(i went back to version 1.16.200 to test)
white willow
only thing with old rtx was things like clouds werent broken
proud pike
probably my best SE screenshot
the amount of pointlights it took to light this scene is crazy
the pointlights in question
white willow
only thing with old rtx was things like clouds werent broken
rip this
proud pike
lava pointlights old SE
old lava pointlights were quite literally sticking out as "point lights"
this looks so good
tribal trail
Why can’t we call deferred a shader as a nickname
The point is that when you say shaders, the community talks about custom shaders like those with optifine/iris
proud pike
The point is that when you say shaders, the community talks about custom shaders...
exactly
tribal trail
Not every Minecraft player is gonna understand that tho
Exactly, and saying that deferred is a shader may cause even more confusion
tribal trail
thats why we educate
People are idiots and will not educate themselves, so we must speak in an idiot-proof way
white willow
yep
vague shoal
Those idiots might not even listen
proud pike
Those idiots might not even listen
they won't
tribal trail
iron water
Slay
proud pike
as far as the wide mcpe community is concerned, they are getting "shaders"
vague shoal
Aslong as we’re getting dynamic shadows and lighting they don’t mind
That’s all we care about
We just want something at least similar to Java shaders
tribal trail
Because you have to do something different for solid surfaces in deferred
Why? Java shaders use SSR for all blocks
pale urchin
To use SSR, you have to have the scene already rendered, or enough data to reconstruct the scene.
Transparent objects can just use the rendered result from deferred, but solid stuff only have the G-Buffer to work with
proud pike
Aslong as we’re getting dynamic shadows and lighting they don’t mind
dozens of these mcpe kids come and cry in the YSS server about how they are only getting 2 fps with deferred and that their device is outright not supported anymore
long ruin
Lmao yeah
white willow
That’s all we care about
yeah most people dont really care about the smaller details packed in. just whether the shadows and lights look purty
tribal trail
Crazy bugs with heightmap based packs
This is because MCRTX at some point changed the pbr format a lot and new texturepacks do not work with old versions
proud pike
This is because MCRTX at some point changed the pbr format a lot and new texture...
i see
pale urchin
So like in YSSSE, they had to pretty much do lighting a second time to create SSR
tribal trail
You'd have to have texturepacks made back then
proud pike
So like in YSSSE, they had to pretty much do lighting a second time to create SS...
yes, thats one of the reasons SE's perf is worse than deferred
pale urchin
But I assume what Mojang will do is do a dedicated pass for SSR
Then transparent objects will do it themselves when they get rendered
tribal trail
normal map based packs worked fine
Heightmaps used the red channel back then iirc
I don't know exactly because I wasn't creating a texturepack back then
proud pike
Heightmaps used the red channel back then iirc
:o
white willow
now heightmaps dont need to be forced into single channel
white willow
i found that out when going back to the old version and trying to use my pack lol
proud pike
man i miss this
white willow
whole thing didnt work at all
tribal trail
Those idiots might not even listen
Ofc but we are not contributing to the problem
tribal trail
they have been mostly the same
Yes
proud pike
shep
white willow
i see a wither skeleton actually
tribal trail
i see a wither skeleton actually
This is called colorblindness
vague shoal
this is bedrock
Please mojang let us make deferred look like this when it’s done
white willow
I LOVE THE NEW DOGGOS
proud pike
BSBE Deferred
Bedrock shaders have been revolutionized since the introduction of deferred
tribal trail
Definitely
vague shoal
If only renderer folder was data driven
So we can make shaders with deferred
And actually call it a shader
Like se
proud pike
If only renderer folder was data driven
probably won't be
proud pike
probably won't be
much to Veka's dismay
vague shoal
Ik
proud pike
:p
white willow
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
tribal trail
prizma deferred is so good, this is a pretty old version too
Thank you 🥰
proud pike
white willow
i wanna do wolf pbr now
proud pike
more heightmap shennaigans
i didn't know items in hand can interact with light in the world :o
is this still a thing
white willow
i believe so yea
proud pike
i see
tribal trail
i didn't know items in hand can interact with light in the world :o
Why wouldn't that be a thing?
Quite logical
Everything is Ray traced and everything is in BVH
proud pike
i don't have much experience with RTX :p
imagine having a GTX card
but still using RTX anyways
white willow
shoot im gonna need all the new wolf files
crying
but hey wolf with shiny nose and mouth
actually i might just need their entity id which idk what that is
long ruin
this is bedrock
I love that shader
sonic canopy
This channel now contains every single YSS screenshot
proud pike
This channel now contains every single YSS screenshot
real
pretty much dumped all my YSS SE screenshot since its release
lmfao
white willow
turned off volumetric fog and this allows the subsurface scattering to really pop up
im assuming this isnt intentional? theres zero shading on the background at all
turning on volumetric fog makes this hard to see but for those that have to have it off for performance reasons or whatever, doesnt look great
pale urchin
im assuming this isnt intentional? theres zero shading on the background at all
Looks like the shadow map has a limit
Last I checked it's 200 blocks but it looks much lower here
white willow
interesting
i dont believe i changed anythign in the render folder
for extra info, ultra settings 24 chunks
yeah it says 200
and changing it to above that crashes the game
viscid moth
bruh who pinged me
sharp sphinx
prizma deferred is so good, this is a pretty old version too
Man
I really don't like the bloom
It feels kind of cheap
haughty hare
Bao
viscid moth
I really want a parameter inside global.json that can make sun and moon textures disappear
hollow timber
what's the best way to start with this?
I haven't really seen any good documentation
viscid moth
I haven't really seen any good documentation
hollow timber
already looked at that, there's not really much info in there
viscid moth
for creating textures for the pbr pipeline
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/minecraft/creator/documents/rtxpbrintro?view=minecraft-bedrock-stable
hollow timber
I mean more like stuff with GLSL shaders
viscid moth
emh no Minecraft bedrock doesn't support shaders that uses actual shader code anymore officially
hollow timber
really?
viscid moth
yup
hollow timber
I swear people are using GLSL with the Deferred Rendering Pipeline
viscid moth
deferred is just providing a set of data and minecraft is deciding what to do with it
viscid moth
I swear people are using GLSL with the Deferred Rendering Pipeline
yeah but not officially supported 😉
hollow timber
but it is possible?
viscid moth
yes
hollow timber
is there any docs on doing that or..
viscid moth
If you want i can link you some sources
i have no experince with it and i don't have any docs
however there are some discord servers who can help you out with it
hollow timber
ah cool
hollow timber
yeah
viscid moth
i will dm you
hollow timber
ok
stark harness
I wonder if they will add Java shaders to bedrock?
sonic canopy
I mean more like stuff with GLSL shaders
https://devendrn.github.io/renderdragon-shaders
Although I should note that RD shaders are not written in GLSL but rather GLSL-like cross platform language, which gets transpiled into platform specific language during compilation.
hollow timber
<https://devendrn.github.io/renderdragon-shaders>
Although I should note that RD...
you are the goat thank you
quick beacon
I wonder if they will add Java shaders to bedrock?
no
drowsy lantern
<https://devendrn.github.io/renderdragon-shaders>
Although I should note that RD...
I am making a new Deferred shader and publish first beta version on Sunday(next week)
How can i add my shader on this website after publish?
sonic canopy
What programming language did you write that shader in?
sonic canopy
I am making a new Deferred shader and publish first beta version on Sunday(next ...
By shader do you mean shader program that is stored in material.bin files? Or do you mean a resource pack with textures and deferred configs like global.json or atmospherics.json
tribal trail
By shader do you mean shader program that is stored in material.bin files? Or do...
I may be wrong, but I have the impression that they are talking about pbr texture packs
especially after this message
quick beacon
hmm
What if they call deferred a 'shader'
this is where the complexity come in with why it is not called a shader...
tribal trail
What if they call deferred a 'shader' <:idk:1215652075304648704>
then we have to eat them
sonic canopy
Then I will become mojang ceo and rename it
sonic canopy
I may be wrong, but I have the impression that they are talking about pbr textur...
Yeah, I thought the same. So to clarify, deferred graphics packs and custom shaders are different things, that website is only for custom shaders, but you can publish your graphics pack on mcpedl
viscid moth
then we have to eat them
praying for the bros who call deferred a shader
bc veka
tribal trail
increased shadowmap distance is lovely
drowsy lantern
By shader do you mean shader program that is stored in material.bin files? Or do...
It's only mean a resource pack with textures and deferred configs like global.json or atmospherics.json but i am working on my shader amd maybe I add material.bin files to my shader for realistic cloud and circular point light.
drowsy lantern
increased shadowmap distance is lovely
It's only for pc or pc and mobile?
white willow
increased shadowmap distance is lovely
When I tried this it crashed my game consistently
sonic canopy
It's only mean a resource pack with textures and deferred configs like global.js...
So if you're working on a shader, and you might add material.bin files to it, what else does it have? In my understanding, if a pack doesn't have material.bin files then it's a resource pack, not shader.
tribal trail
When I tried this it crashed my game consistently <:despair:1153860606038921267>
works fine for me
skill issue
sonic canopy
So if you're working on a shader, and you might add material.bin files to it, wh...
A lot of people either don't know or care what shader is so they call any customizable graphics as such, or they do know but still use it, to gain additional engagement by leveraging good reputation of java and bedrock shaders. If applied to resource pack or add-on names, it's basically a misleading clickbait, either intentional or not, so I just wanted to make sure that you don't accidentally make this mistake.
drowsy lantern
So if you're working on a shader, and you might add material.bin files to it, wh...
I am working on Deferred rendering pipeline and maybe it have material.bin file like Yss se.
white willow
increased shadowmap distance is lovely
What's the shadow distance value here. So I can try it
tribal trail
750 iirc
white willow
Hm I tried 1200 and the game would hard crash
So that was probably too much
oh wow that makes a difference
tribal trail
I KNOW
tribal trail
you can change the shadow quality and it will return to the old distance
fastes way
white willow
right
does increasing shadow resolution break things
last time i tried they broke badly
tribal trail
yes
viscid moth
what do look cursed is that black spot
mojang need a fix asap
viscid moth
improved fog quality = pc death
worth it
it looks heavenly
white willow
depth slices of 256 with a tile width of 2 absolutely kills the game
haughty hare
how do you even make good fog ?
white willow
finding the right values in the resource pack but here im just editing render files
512 shadow samples with increased fog due to rain
the only really noticeable thing with this is that it doesnt flicker as much thats about it
default high
white willow
what exactly does the shadow clamp angle do
it looks like it makes the shadows longer
white willow
(Continuation of previous chat) But I personally don't get much feel out of the classic textures. I remember the moments not the look of the game. Tbh I thought the game looked quite bad back then
And still don't really like the way pre 1.14? Looked
But yeah burning hot controversial take from me
stark harness
Will there just he the defferd preview or will there be more shaders for bedrock
white willow
deferred will probably be the only thing. i dont see custom shader support getting added. but pack creators will probably have full control over so many things each pack could feel like a custom shader on their own
no i am not calling deferred pack shaders here so dont come at me
im just saying the level of customization a pack creator will probably have could feel that way with how different each pack could look
quick beacon
Will there just he the defferd preview or will there be more shaders for bedrock
Shaders won't come to Bedrock.
Also what Foxy pfp said
Too lazy to type out your name :]
white willow
fair enough
stark harness
What about the defferd rendering isn't that not a shader ?
sonic canopy
Will there just he the defferd preview or will there be more shaders for bedrock
Bedrock doesn't support custom shaders and it's currently unknown if it will ever get added. I think it might get added in the coming years, but definitely not any time soon. That's as far as official shader support goes, but bedrock does have unofficial shaders https://devendrn.github.io/renderdragon-shaders/shaders/start.html
astral hatchBOT
stark harness
But the defferd rending is coming to bedrock though?
stark harness
I hope they don't cut it out at the last moment and make a excuse like saying they can't optimize it and so on
vague shoal
that would be the worst thing to happen
but we’re too far into it
so i don’t think that’s gonna happen
it’s already playable in preview version
on xbox android pc and ios
basically half of bedrocks platforms
only ones left is switch, playstation and possibly chromebook
stark harness
Since the preview isn't fully complete I wonder if there was some way to implement it to minecraft and see if it can run better
vague shoal
better render dragon can put deferred in main versions
but only on windows
it’s the same performance tho
stark harness
Will there ever be rt reflections as well
vague shoal
yes
that’s been confirmed
and better water
by the time this is done it will probably be customizable to make it look like a java shader
hopefully
stark harness
I hope that they can have a performance mode 4k 30 and 1080p 60 on xbox series x or if someway they could just do a smooth 60 at 4k
drowsy lantern
How i can fix it?
HEGA Deferred have pbr but blocks have shadow Don't have pbr
and how i can remove fog at night and moonlight?
tribal trail
HEGA Deferred have pbr but blocks have shadow Don't have pbr
not shader, texturepack
🤨
drowsy lantern
I read this and write this code but not working.
What is wrong in this code?
white willow
HEGA Deferred have pbr but blocks have shadow Don't have pbr
That's just how it works. It has it but it's hard to see. It's mostly based on direct light
The more light the stronger the heightmap will look
And atm there is no way to remove the nighttime fog
And with the method that currently does work, it only works for you and also breaks nether fog
Which I should also mention, the "night fog" removal doesn't work on mobile as far as I know
drowsy lantern
Which I should also mention, the "night fog" removal doesn't work on mobile as f...
Is it work on pc?
white willow
It works on pc but only for the person playing. Nobody else will have it
You would have to mess with settings within the render folder but that can't be applied to the whole pack just your game settings
viscid moth
would be cool to see pbr support for skin packs
sonic canopy
Fun fact, on my phone running deferred at minimum settings and maximum resolution gives equivalent performance to running at maximum settings and minimum resolution
15fps in both cases 
Maximum settings + upscaling. Before getting upscaled, it renders internally at 306x162 resolution. 20 fps 
viscid moth
Maximum settings + upscaling. Before getting upscaled, it renders internally at ...
the screenshot looks out of focus
sonic canopy
Poor man's depth of field, where everything is out of focus 🙃
viscid moth
Poor man needs a pair of glasses
sonic canopy
Or a new phone
viscid moth
or optimizations
sonic canopy
or custom shaders
viscid moth
or minecraft open-sourced
vague shoal
@still zenith sorry for ping but i got custom clouds in deferred rendering via an addon
not much but it’s something
i also got waving plants
but it’s buggy
here’s a video
white willow
#1182095383015456829 message so if I were to edit the shadow bias that would help reduce it?
Now I'm not entirely sure if that's even available within the config rn
pale urchin
https://discord.com/channels/523663022053392405/1182095383015456829/121691145502...
Yeah
Not too much or this will happen
It's a balancing act
white willow
When I changed the shadow map distance it broke shadow positioning
Example of shadow positions being offf
Also this block WAS a mirror block within my RTX pack but now it's a void lol
pale urchin
These are the values you're looking for
slope bias increases the bias when the surface starts to face away from the light source
So like when the sun is setting, the bias gets increased by the slope_bias
white willow
I see
I'm assuming shadow maps were used over "casted" shadows for performance reasons?
pale urchin
You mean shadow volumes?
white willow
Idk the technical terms
pale urchin
Like what vanilla Minecraft uses?
white willow
I might be thinking of this wrong
pale urchin
Idk the technical terms
Like the circle under your feet. At least on Bedrock. On Java it's a texture
white willow
I figured there was something above shadow maps but below RT
Although possibly getting some form of RT shadows with deferred would be neat
pale urchin
Not that I can think of
But yeah any form of raytracing would be slower than ol' reliable
white willow
Yea
I can see potential RT features getting added after deferred is done as some kind of like RTX redo
pale urchin
If they can do that, then they can improve RTX first
white willow
I'm hoping for RTX stuff at some point but I don't mind deferred swooping in for a bit
I work with both and like working with deferred more tbh
I think a lot of it is just the customization deferred has over RTX (please I'd love the global atmosphere and lighting stuff ported to RTX)
Definitely wouldn't be an easy task though
quick beacon
@quasi trench Veka explained those lines here: #1182095383015456829 message
I know i am very late, but thought it would be nice to share why it happens
white willow
These are the values you're looking for
thanks for this information. this looks much better (i made very small changes)
the shadows are slightly off from where they should be but it does look better
pale urchin
If they implement screen space contact shadows that can help with Peter panning. What are the new values you used anyway?
white willow
0.0006 might be a little better for the normal cascade bias
idk about the slope though
this is how far off the shadows are. its not a whole lot
note i have a modified shadow clamp
not sure that would make a difference
ok 0.0007 seems to be the value that removes it the most without too much shadow offset
still zenith
If they implement screen space contact shadows that can help with Peter panning....
Indeed. Not saying we're going to implement it (it would be expensive relative to the impact to the scene), but it's on our radar.
pale urchin
Yeah I understand. Perhaps it can be used with higher shadow quality settings though
still zenith
Yeah I understand. Perhaps it can be used with higher shadow quality settings th...
Perhaps some day, yeah. 🤞
white willow
It would be cool to see. The way I see it working out is probably just as a completely separate setting rather than being built in. So like a little toggle switch like upscaling for things like contact shadows and other small settings that probably wouldn't require a whole slider
stark harness
Is there gonna be different clouds
faint snow
Volumetric clouds
jagged fable
more heightmap shennaigans
That's a cool bug, what if we could make emissive underwater mobs and blocks and use their emissions to make the surface of water glow, that adds more life to the water kinda like Bioluminescence
stark harness
Yeah is there gonna be volumetric clouds
lucid token
stark harness
Best shaders for xbox? Download link?
stark harness
Why is my defferd preview grayed our
mossy verge
Why is my defferd preview grayed our
You need a deferred/ray tracing pbr pack active in resource pack
mossy verge
Best shaders for xbox? Download link?
For shaders you need developer key in xbox
You have to modify game
stark harness
I got poggys shader pack working
mossy verge
I got poggys shader pack working
That's not a shader
stark harness
Why
astral hatchBOT
mossy verge
@stark harness
vague shoal
Why
pbr packs basically enable deferred graphics
however it’s not a shader or we can’t call it that
to get them on xbox for now you need to join a lan game with it enabled
and the experimental toggle
or join a realm
tribal trail
I got poggys shader pack working
it's texturepack, not shader
long ruin
Nice
white willow
im just gonna put these here
things to note that ive come across. they have a quality slider. the quality level does make the sky reflections look better. the sky refeflections do fully match sky colors and dont just reflect a base blue sky. from my testing on an iphone 13 pro, peformance does not drop on higher quality nor does it increase from being disabled
white willow
More sky reflection stuff. Yeah this is crazy good stuff
time of day here is sunset for those curious. it seems to reflect the horizon color the most
pale urchin
I think the reflection strength is a little too much on non-metallic, rough surfaces
tribal trail
Deferred on phone is lovely
tribal trail
idk, seeing good graphics on my phone feels amazing
white willow
yeah it feels crazy
white willow
id have done my testing on my better device but its chargin rn and i dont trust it not to blow up
tribal trail
latest update
white willow
this looks a little cursed
tribal trail
i know
tribal trail
it looks like a trash
tribal trail
unless its on ultra and looks like that still
it's on medium
still zenith
It likely has to do with either the roughness or metalness properties of the leaf and grass textures.
They are tinted blue because they are reflecting the blue sky
white willow
Probably gonna need to increase my leaf roughness now
tribal trail
It likely has to do with either the roughness or metalness properties of the lea...
my grass and leaves have no metalness properties
my reflections are based only on roughness
white willow
i like the leaves having the ability to reflect sky light but it also comes down to a new issue of increasing my roughness to now compensate and the specular will be off
it looks pretty good at times like sunset and sunrise but during the day or in some fog heavy areas it looks... off
tribal trail
i wonder if higher settings would improve that
.
@still zenith while metallic blocks look great now, everything else (that doesn't even use metallic properties) looks bad
well, not bad
but not the best
for non-metallic blocks it should be a bit toned down
tribal trail
But like water looks fantastic
because the water should be very reflective and this is normal for water
long ruin
Box 
white willow
yeah its a little weird in that regard rn but it looks better than not having it at all
the leaves just look super wet
white willow
wonder if its something we can edit within the config
we currently have this but idk if any of these would affect the new settings
(this is for before this update)
pale urchin
It likely has to do with either the roughness or metalness properties of the lea...
It's really strong even on rough surfaces. It should be pretty invsibile on non-metallic, completely rough surfaces
tribal trail
It's really strong even on rough surfaces. It should be pretty invsibile on non-...
it depends, because it should be visible on non-metallic but still very reflective surfaces
pale urchin
That's why I said completely rough surfaces
sonic canopy
Maybe dimming reflections based on AO might help
tribal trail
but on rough reflections it should be very subtle
pale urchin
Maybe dimming reflections based on AO might help
Don't think so. It still looks bright in areas where there's no AO
tribal trail
Maybe dimming reflections based on AO might help
the problem is that sky reflections are even too strong on metallic blocks
sonic canopy
The issue is that reflections only reflect sky, which doesn't account for nearby blocks that should be occluding skylight
white willow
Example of sky reflections on non metallic objects (yes this is RTX but it's just an example)
If it can be brought down to be more subtle like this it would be perfect
tribal trail
The issue is that reflections only reflect sky, which doesn't account for nearby...
ofc, but if the sky reflections were less visible, it would look better
sonic canopy
I'd prefer if they could figure out a shadowing solution, rather than breaking PBR energy conservation
Maybe SSR could help with that (if it'd work for rough surfaces)
pale urchin
Low
Doubt SSR will help much. Look at the grass in this screenshot for instance
Side faces will still look washed out
tribal trail
ofc, but if the sky reflections were less visible, it would look better
RTX (it should only reflects sky)
Deferred
still zenith
Love this feedback, everybody. We're listening. Keep it coming. 🙏
white willow
W
rocky halo
Love this feedback, everybody. We're listening. Keep it coming. 🙏
the creative hotbar looks weird with new controls and inventory hud
sonic canopy
Hmm, could it be that sun reflection is stacked on top of directional sunlight? So you get double the brightness
white willow
I do however like that mirrors aren't a black void anymore
pale urchin
Hmm, could it be that sun reflection is stacked on top of directional sunlight? ...
That's an interesting theory
pale urchin
the creative hotbar looks weird with new controls and inventory hud
Wrong person to talk to
white willow
After left before right
It was probably a black shadowless void because it's tinted glass I used here but it still looked weird lol
rocky halo
Wrong person to talk to
😮💨 there is no discussion channel for Ui
pale urchin
They're actively working on it
rocky halo
i know and I'm happy about that
tribal trail
white willow
Yeah those diamonds don't look right
tribal trail
I just feel that the sky reflections are too strong (on rough non-metallic blocks they should be really subtle, and on metallic blocks they should be a bit toned down)
white willow
I'm gonna check mine. Mine don't use a whole lot of metalness but a good amount of smoothness
These look about the same as they did before but with some sky reflection added
But metal blocks definitely look a little off. Aside from maybe iron
tribal trail
These look about the same as they did before but with some sky reflection added
you must remember that the diamond in my texturepack is a metal
pale urchin
you must remember that the diamond in my texturepack is a metal
BTW, the changelog mentioned better blending between LODs
How does that look?
tribal trail
idk what that means
sonic canopy
Mipmap blending? Or the alphatest and transparent blocks disappearing
white willow
BTW, the changelog mentioned better blending between LODs
I'll test a little. Just hard to do without pc access
I’m not entirely sure if this is what they meant
I can’t tell if it’s better than before, I also don’t really remember what it looked like before
sonic canopy
Someone should try applying texture sets to particles 👀
tribal trail
:0
tribal trail
Someone should try applying texture sets to particles 👀
are you telling me that pbr works on particles?
sonic canopy
It might
silent zealot
are you telling me that pbr works on particles?
That was planned yes but i dont see any mentions of it being enabled publicly
tribal trail
well, I would check it out, but preview doesn't exist on windows
tribal trail
That was planned yes but i dont see any mentions of it being enabled publicly
maybe they would share it unintentionally, by accident
faint snow
🤮
faint snow
Luminous dreams
white willow
Hm interesting wonder why that's broken that badly
faint snow
It wasn’t updated
quick beacon
It wasn’t updated
Still waiting for windows preview
faint snow
quick beacon
night time?
faint snow
Yes
quick beacon
Yea idk what's oing on the there
faint snow
It looks like yss se
quick beacon
Heightmaps look ugly there why
white willow
That just looks wrong
quick beacon
You'll need to give me time to remove all the stuff from all my blocks
why does my dirt look like that
This is all I got on it... what
white willow
This is all I got on it... what
Oh it could be the global mer within the global.json
faint snow
I thought they fixed this glitch
quick beacon
Oh it could be the global mer within the global.json
I got all on 0
quick beacon
why
silent zealot
Why would it be inverted?
quick beacon
make no sense
white willow
Cuz bedrock is weird like that. So black pixels count as smooth and white pixels count as rough
It makes no sense at all
Cuz it's the opposite in Java
But that would fix the issue
pale urchin
Cuz bedrock is weird like that. So black pixels count as smooth and white pixels...
Huh? That makes perfect sense
It's the roughness channel. More value, more rough
white willow
That's true
Just for consistency sake it's a little weird
But logically it makes sense
white willow
0,0,255 are the values you want
tribal trail
Why would it be inverted?
wdym inverted? blue channel means roughness, more blue means a more matte block, less blue (i.e. black and dark blue) gives shiny surfaces
quick beacon
just did a test
silent zealot
wdym inverted? blue channel means roughness, more blue means a more matte block,...
Yeah nvm ignore me
I read R as reflectiveness since we just got reflections
tribal trail
that increases the MER
wdym "increases the MER"? what channel are you talking about? I don't understand
quick beacon
all 3
white willow
Welp it seems like the global mer doesn't do anything ti the sky reflections
tribal trail
I thought they fixed this glitch
HOW DID YOU GOT PRVIEW FOR WINDOWS
white willow
HOW DID YOU GOT PRVIEW FOR WINDOWS
That's Xbox
pale urchin
Welp it seems like the global mer doesn't do anything ti the sky reflections
Really?
So if you had [255, 0, 0], no reflections?
white willow
Yeah I have my roughness at max and blocks not finished are reflecting the sky
Regardless
pale urchin
Yeah I have my roughness at max and blocks not finished are reflecting the sky
Perfect reflection?
tribal trail
Welp it seems like the global mer doesn't do anything ti the sky reflections
global mer effects only blocks that don't have PBR I think
white willow
tribal trail
I could be wrong though
tribal trail
This block has no pbr on it
ooooh
white willow
Assuming the global MER was working this shouldn't be happening
With roughness at 255
It should be looking like this
silent zealot
Just an interesting fact
white willow
So I guess this should be a bug report on global MER not working
quick beacon
Seems like we have to wait for the "better water" thing to release for water reflections. Metallnes (red one) makes water transparent :/ @white willow could you uhh check how reflections work with that on water?
white willow
Seems like we have to wait for the "better water" thing to release for water ref...
I'm away from my pc rn and can't exactly compile a new version rn
But I will later
quick beacon
Windows when preview 
tribal trail
poggy, why don't you have mer maps in your pack?
tribal trail
Windows when preview <:CRY:1145404760527224943>
never
silent zealot
Windows when preview <:CRY:1145404760527224943>
Poggy...take the time to go outside and touch grass. the preview will be here next week
quick beacon
poggy, why don't you have mer maps in your pack?
wdym by that
tribal trail
no more windows preview until 1.22
quick beacon
Poggy...take the time to go outside and touch grass. the preview will be here ne...
I had grass 3 hours ago
tribal trail
why????
quick beacon
because I don't like how it look on everything
white willow
Seems like we have to wait for the "better water" thing to release for water ref...
Ok I just got back. I'm gonna do water with different values of metalness. 100, 200, 255 these will be the three metalness values I'll use. All will be taken with 40 roughness
tribal trail
because I don't like how it look on everything
can't you make them 100% matte then?
quick beacon
matte 
pale urchin
100% rough 0% metal
pale urchin
Yeah
quick beacon
iodk what theyr called
pale urchin
MER
R means roughness
quick beacon
if I need to, ill get my python script to make it for me
pale urchin
Why not use globa- right that's broken for reflections isn't it
pale urchin
Why not use globa- right that's broken for reflections isn't it
But still I think that makes more sense in the long run
quick beacon
Then sure, I'll do it
tribal trail
if I need to, ill get my python script to make it for me
It's better to have an individual mer map for each block, in the future when you want to change something, it will be faster
quick beacon
I'll start up my python script then
pale urchin
It's better to have an individual mer map for each block, in the future when you...
Is it? Wouldn't you rather have a single global value, then make new texture sets along the way
white willow
it just seems the global values dont work for sky reflections rn
tribal trail
Is it? Wouldn't you rather have a single global value, then make new texture set...
I'm biased here, I create each mer individually for each block and focus on each single mer map and every pixel in it, so a global mer wouldn't work for me
white willow
indirect lighting looks better on water the higher the metalness
tribal trail
and if someone wants to develop and create something more complicated in the future, they will have a nice base for it
quick beacon
Preview tomorrw then. Time to spend a lot of time not making the world look moisty
white willow
100 left, 200 top right, 255 bottom right
im gonna lower roughness now and see if that makes a difference
quick beacon
hmm. Cool
white willow
im gonna do 200 metal 20 rough
see if the clouds pop up and stuff
my water normal could just be too strong as well
idk
quick beacon
try to disable it for now
white willow
for now this is how my water looks
Well now
That's not right
Yeah this seems pretty good for settings
I'm gonna try to find a more watery area
ok you can see the clouds in the water its just kind hard to
this change in general though really helps with how ugly water has looked
With a normal applied the clouds shade the water in a different way. Pretty cool stuff tbh
thats all the testing i can do for now. my phone is dangerously hot
quick beacon
Wow. That's nice
stark harness
Have refecltions been added ive noticed glossy surfaces with
pale urchin
Have refecltions been added ive noticed glossy surfaces with
Yes
To be more specific, sky reflections
long ruin
Odd lines in the clouds
viscid moth
We need a beacon rendering fix
It's very bugged
viscid moth
Odd lines in the clouds
The aura of reflections🗿
long ruin
Lmao
That would be a cool feature though
Although I think it's reserved for custom sky boxes
viscid moth
Yeah lol clouds texture sets????
long ruin
Or however they will allow the community to make custom sky textures
quick beacon
Normals kinda does their job now
viscid moth
Or however they will allow the community to make custom sky textures
I believe cubemap support is coming to deferred
long ruin
Nice
viscid moth
Normals kinda does their job now <:idk:1215652075304648704>
I guess you could say they are normal now
viscid moth
Also 1024x packs gonna go insane
viscid moth
Looks way different from how it looks to me
Btw do you see any performance loss after enabling it?
long ruin
Let me check rq
quick beacon
Btw do you see any performance loss after enabling it?
I stayed on 60 and I use max reflections
long ruin
I have everything asides Volumetric fog set to ultra, but the FPS with reflections off is 138, and with it on its 136
Render distance is 24
Upscaling is off too
drowsy lantern
Two sun reflection bug
quasi trench
minecraft is in a binary solar system confirmed
pale urchin
Two sun reflection bug
I don't think that's a bug
Those surfaces have two different normals
vague shoal
With a normal applied the clouds shade the water in a different way. Pretty cool...
you said the thing..
white willow
Nono what I said is different
vague shoal
tribal trail
aajabrams could you make reflections refresh faster in the future? from my tests, changing frames_delta to values even as small as 23 does not affect fps much?
white willow
wait..... is it just me or... are these clouds reflecting some kind of like sunlight or something
graceful iron
so i recently started development for a deferred version of my pack, but I have no idea wtf is going on half of the time. So far I've noticed a few issues (each image is its own "issue") so if I can have information on what it is and how to fix it that'd be well appreciated.
darkness during sunrise
darkness near horizon line
my currently lighting files
white willow
my currently lighting files
After taking a small look at the files I'd try increasing Rayleigh strength
The amount is up to you but it a value as low as it is rn is good for nighttime but not great for day
But the black lighting isn't fully fixable either to my knowledge
viscid moth
*darkness during sunrise*
this can be explained very easily
what you need to do is sync up the illuminance of sun and the moon to get rid of the black spot
this is due to the fact that minecraft sky has two hemispheres the sun half and the moon half
the moon illuminance influence the sky light and if that is 0 or less then the sun half
there becomes a black spot
here's my global .json that is synced up
you really don't need to do anything in atmospherics .json
veka told me this could be fixed minecraft uses an accurate sky model
drowsy lantern
What is this line on cloud?
viscid moth
bruh the games so bugged it just turns on reflections on all blocks by it self for no reason 😭
drowsy lantern
bruh the games so bugged it just turns on reflections on all blocks by it self f...
I can't understand wrong
white willow
Ok I don't believe this has been asked before and it's super random but something interesting for deferred. Thoughts on moon phased lighting. Being able to make the moon brighter based on what phase it's on.
viscid moth
I can't understand wrong
see the ground/grass
it shouldn't reflect the sky
drowsy lantern
bruh the games so bugged it just turns on reflections on all blocks by it self f...
I thought you added it to your texture pack
drowsy lantern
My shader don't have this bug
How?
viscid moth
I thought you added it to your texture pack
nope lol
it's just buggy
the game turns on reflections even if the slider is set to off
i believe this is device issues
drowsy lantern
What is different in low and ultra reflection?
Amd what is different in high and ultra fot?
I can't find it on my device
viscid moth
I declare sky reflections are very buggy
in the pic grass used only roughness that is 200+
white willow
What is different in low and ultra reflection?
Amd what is different in high and...
ultra has much cleaner reflections
tribal trail
@still zenith I'm very sorry about the ping, but this bug is unbearable, is there a chance to fix it in the near future?
pale urchin
It's how volumetric fog is handled in completely dark areas. Same thing happens in caves 🤔
IIRC it's a temporary solution
tribal trail
It's how volumetric fog is handled in completely dark areas. Same thing happens ...
ok, but it shouldn't happen in the ocean