Graphics General

[viscid moth]

yeah lol

[still zenith]

I wouldn't say that, no. We aren't sure what form it will take yet, but it likely won't look like TextureSets.

[silent zealot]

Thats why I need the English version lol

[pale urchin]

May I suggest using MP4 for animated skyboxes? A day has 24000 ticks so that might be too many cubemaps for some devices

[still zenith]

I'm sorry. I don't have a good answer at this point. We're still in the R&D phase for this one.

[viscid moth]

I believe they suffer the same issue like llamas

texture set doesn't work

[vague shoal]

What does R&D phase mean?

[pale urchin]

That's ok. We all start somewhere

[pale urchin]

Research and development

Do your homework before going in the field

[vague shoal]

Oh

😢

[silent zealot]

Oh, i thought yall just sit in a room and just press random keys on a keyboard. Is that not how game dev works? /s

[viscid moth]

it's okay. take your time but not too much

[pale urchin]

To be fair, it is like that sometimes 😄

[viscid moth]

technically yes.

[still zenith]

It sure feels like that some days 🤣

[pale urchin]

Half the time it's mess around and find out

[still zenith]

Thank you all for being so understanding, patient and supportive. We really appreciate it. 🙏

[viscid moth]

Thank you too for giving us deferred technical preview.

[vague shoal]

I bet deferred will look so good once it’s done

[pale urchin]

Thanks for being here talking to us

[vague shoal]

I can’t wait to see everyone enjoy it

Heck it might make bedrock more popular

[pale urchin]

Might?

RTX was why many users bought consoles

[vague shoal]

Well Java is taking over the yt content

[long ruin]

I'm glad the developers are this open about development

[pale urchin]

Then get disappointed

[long ruin]

Basically what happened to me

[vague shoal]

Well that’s not the case this time

[unreal venture]

oh yeah, i remember that lol

[silent zealot]

#old-deferred-qa-2024-info the poll result is interesting so far

[unreal venture]

straight up scam

[vague shoal]

But hopefully when deferred releases bedrock will get less hate and more talked about

On YouTube

[viscid moth]

any way new features coming are

• Item/Particle MER
• Better Water with Config
• Better Fog Development
• Panorama and Cubemaps for deferred
• biome based atmospherics?

2024 is about to be good for bedrock

unless they pull a SDGP on us

[silent zealot]

I am curious, the lurking graphics dev, which of the feature from the poll are you most excited to develop and ship?

[pale urchin]

Makes sense when you think about it. Water leaves a lot to be desired right now

[vague shoal]

Minecraft is turning 15 this year

I hope we will get some sort of trailer this year at least

Like the end of 2024

[viscid moth]

damn I am getting old too

[vague shoal]

But like they said they have no plans for marketing yet

So that might take ages

😢

[pale urchin]

It's way too early for a trailer

[vague shoal]

I know

But maybe at mc live or something

Maybe it will be good enough to show off

By then

Also

[pale urchin]

Eehh

[vague shoal]

That mc live 2023 trailer

I saw one part that looked similar to deferred

Like the sky

[pale urchin]

?

Oh prerendered?

[vague shoal]

It had the same colors as deferred

[still zenith]

Hmm. I'm probably most excited about color grading. It really allows packs to define a unique tone or mood. That's a hard question though...they're all very exciting!

[vague shoal]

I’m excited for color grading too

[pale urchin]

Yeah that's gonna be great

It's really gonna make packs appear more uinque

[viscid moth]

same we could have dark eerie packs
or cute and vibrant packs

[pale urchin]

Imagine someone using it to increase gamma for a legacy console look

[vague shoal]

Horror pbr packs

For horror addons

[viscid moth]

working on it

[unreal venture]

nfspissfilter

[vague shoal]

I would like that

[pale urchin]

What?

[viscid moth]

huh

[vague shoal]

Little bro must’ve snatched his phone

[pale urchin]

Nubbles what was the first message you sent today?

[viscid moth]

anyway I would like to see a slider for tone mapping

[unreal venture]

the piss filter from nfs most wanted and the 360 generation

[viscid moth]

as we have like 5 options?

[pale urchin]

Mexico filter?

[still zenith]

I'm curious, would you like it to be a slider for end users or a setting for resource packs?

[unreal venture]

i prefer piss filter but yes

[pale urchin]

This suggestion is far into the future but, what if you could define the settings in the manifest, and those settings can be read from molang queries?

Assuming we can use molang in deferred by then

[vague shoal]

End users

[pale urchin]

Yeah my suggestion is for the end user

[viscid moth]

personally I would love to see a slider
i think most people wanna customize easily if they can
pbr pack maker will do the hard part like creating textures

[pale urchin]

But at least we have subpacks for now

Now that I think about it, you could technically implement it to have multiple sliders huh? Each one enabling subpacks independently. No molang needed

But that could get convoluted real quick

[viscid moth]

However you could also do both if you guys want to
if provided a tone map by the pack the slider is greyed out and locked to the provided pack settings

but that would create some what of a confusion for the end users i suppose
why some packs are able and some aren't

[still zenith]

Indeed. This is one of the reasons we have a difficult time deciding what should be data-driven in the renderer folder and what should be exposed to resource packs. :/

[viscid moth]

I do think that easy-understand stuff should be exposed to the Resource packs
and a little harder things should be with documentation

[silent zealot]

😂 The only "trailer" we might get is maybe a 5 sec clip at MC Live 2024...strong maybe

[vague shoal]

Nah

They would never do that

Make it 10

[vague shoal]

I just realized something

Minecraft Java has a fabulous graphics option that doesn’t do anything right?

I wonder if they will call deferred “fabulous graphics”

In marketing

[viscid moth]

yo?

[viscid moth]

fabulous does do something

[vague shoal]

What

[viscid moth]

it's a littel more demanding than fancy
and draws particles before the blocks

[vague shoal]

Still not really changing anything

But I’m thinking that’s what deferred should be called

It’s perfect

Simple, fancy, fabulous and ray traced

[jagged fable]

Or Instead of greying it out set it to the default values that the Resource Pack provides and if the end user wants to change the default values of the RPs they can

[viscid moth]

yeah

[jagged fable]

Idk if Resource Packs can alter the in-game settings, but it would be similar to Java Edition's customisability of the shaders they have default values which can be changed by the user

[jagged fable]

Or just allow us to change resource packs or it's sub packs in-game like Java Edition that will end the entire confusion, it's also so annoying that you can't change Resource Packs in-world

Configuring Resource Packs via sub packs makes more sense, instead of adding more and more sliders for deferred settings in video settings

[mossy verge]

I am experiencing this since the introduction of first person player shadow

[viscid moth]

hmm

[mossy verge]

Sometimes it gets fixed by rejoining world a few times
Sometimes i give up

[still zenith]

My first thought is biasing.

Well, not if rejoining the world fixes it. Hmm. 🤔

[mossy verge]

😀

[pale urchin]

Does the shadow appear on stained glass?

It looks like it's not working on solid surfaces

[mossy verge]

Have to test it later

[long ruin]

Same happens to me

[mossy verge]

Maybe the same issue with iOS too

[pale urchin]

As I suspected

[viscid moth]

reworking on the orbital_offset_degrees after fixing the black void issue
I don't even know how that works anymore

[sharp sphinx]

You think they would add moving leaves with this whole thing? @pale urchin

[sonic canopy]

I think it rotates both sun and moon at the same time by the same amount, but in different directions. 90 would make them be on top of each other

[viscid moth]

:/ would be cool to have separate object orbital_offset_degrees for the sun and moon

I won't be using them anytime soon until the black spot bug is fixed so it's fine ig

[sonic canopy]

Yeah agreed

[viscid moth]

or just a casual shader support is fine ig

[mossy verge]

I asked the same thing today aajabrams said nothing to share at this moment

[sonic canopy]

Haha, if only

It's pretty much safe to assume now that shaders won't be supported for a while

[viscid moth]

also shaders break compatibility when game update i suppose

[sonic canopy]

Current yes, but they're easy to fix

[viscid moth]

so that could be one of the reasons

[sonic canopy]

As was said in the faq, they're focused on cross platform features rn, shaders being exclusive to certain platforms means they won't be looking into them right now. Does that mean shaders are still on the long term roadmap, along with rtx and platform specific features, after all deferred cross platform features are complete? Don't know. But it's a possibility.

Researching platform exclusive features after all cross platform ones are shipped makes sense, so I certainly hope they will at least do R&D for the possibility of having shaders.

[viscid moth]

damn we are just hopeful at this point :/

[sonic canopy]

Nah don't be, otherwise you might get disappointed or inpatient. Rn community made shaders are all you should be hoping for.

[weak saffron]

RTX is at the point of just remove it or bloody fix it

[sonic canopy]

Community made shaders can help here as well

[weak saffron]

It's still quite bad in terms of performance but hopefully, HOPEFULLY! Something gotta happen.

[sonic canopy]

Something definitely will 👀👍

[tribal trail]

Personally, I wouldn't want it to be a slider in the settings

When creating my texturepack, I would like it to look like i want everywhere

and if someone doesn't like it, they create their own texturepack/use another one

[viscid moth]

that's fair enough

[tribal trail]

most players are idiots and won't even know they can make deferred look better/they won't know how to get the best results from this settings

Besides, I think that graphic settings should be large and extensive, but limited to the quality of effects, not style.

[tribal trail]

I believe that everything that affects the appearance of deferred but does not affect performance should be more or less exposed to resource packs

[viscid moth]

I agree to a degree but even if most players are idiots
they should know what looks bad for them and change some settings
I am optimistic that they can change

[tribal trail]

even then, I would like my texturepack to look the same everywhere because I create it with a certain vision in my head, I would create volumetric fog, textures, etc. that will perfectly match the tonemap I choose

[viscid moth]

I do agree on it that's why I suggested
#1182091012177399809 message

[tribal trail]

we have so many pbr texturepacks (and there will probably be more of them) that the choice is endless and if someone doesn't like your or mine tonemap, they can find another texturepack

[sonic canopy]

It makes sense to leave creative control to creators and performance controls to the end user. If creator wishes to add user facing customization options, they could do that via subpacks

[tribal trail]

Thank you

[sonic canopy]

That would be easy to make with subpacks

[viscid moth]

yeah lol I completely forgot about the subpacks
i was thinking that tonemap would be stuck to manifest
which make no sense now that i think about it

[sonic canopy]

Lol yeah, you most definitely will be able to switch tonemap with subpacks

[viscid moth]

yeah we just need tone_mapping.json inside lighting folder after all

[quick beacon]

I think if we get that one first, I'd be pretty happy.

There are other files I want like the deferred_renderer.json file

[viscid moth]

retracked the key timeframes again this is my closest

"sky_zenith_color": {
    "0.0": [56, 159, 255],   //Noon
    "0.22": [141, 12, 175],  //time set sunset
    "0.25": [144, 172, 175],   //Sunset,
    "0.35":[144, 172, 175],
    "0.5": [29, 35, 46],    //Midnight
    "0.75": [47, 60, 79], //Surnise
    "0.825": [47, 60, 79], 
    "0.826": [255, 0, 0] //time set day

  }

also the keyframe for sun inside global.json still uses
0.0 is midnight and 0.5 is noon style

even the moon uses the correct key frames as shown in the documentation now

the og was supposed the use the sun style but other objects used reverse keyframes and they turned it into a feature
but they didn't fix the sun which was working as intended before

[quick beacon]

This is default behavior since there is no field to specify day and night keyframes in atmospherics.json

uhhh wrong reply

[lucid token]

I have Arm Mali-G57 MC2 gpu and I can't run differed tecnical preview but my friend have mali g52 he can run shader

Can anyone give reason

[quick beacon]

Both are different GPUs, and yours is much weaker than their standard Mali-G52

[pale urchin]

@lucid token 👆

[mossy verge]

Skill issue

Mali G57 MC2 is supported

[unreal venture]

Love how god awful gpu naming is for mobile

[fathom valve]

Yo I just joined this so I’m not up to date on the deferred rendering shader but does anyone know when they are gunna be enabled on ps5

[pale urchin]

Nope. It will come when it's ready for preview

[fathom valve]

Oh fs appreciate it

[lucid token]

Can I run differed technical preview in my device ever

[mossy verge]

What GPU does your device have?

[lucid token]

Mali g57 mc2

[mossy verge]

It's supported as far as I know

[lucid token]

When differed technical preview completed fully then my device can run it or not

@real berry

[silent zealot]

@lucid tokenhttps://discord.com/channels/523663022053392405/1209530991463366786

[lucid token]

@@silent zealot mean

can help

[silent zealot]

What?

[quick beacon]

That forum has the answer you need from Mojang...

[lucid token]

I want know about more on my problem

[quick beacon]

As of right now, your device can't run the Deferred Preview. Maybe in the future

[lucid token]

Can my device when Low end shader

[pale urchin]

As in the modded renderdragon shaders? Don't see why not

[quick beacon]

Vanilla Deferred is Locked at a certain performance point and no pack as of right now can change the performance.

[lucid token]

How my device can run shader before render dragon ther more heavy then differed technical preview

[pale urchin]

there are renderdragon shaders that don't use deferred technical preview

[lucid token]

And my device can run java shader with help of some emulator

[pale urchin]

Here is a list of renderdragon shaders. It also comes with an installation guide.
https://github.com/DominoKorean/Render-dragon-shader-list

[mossy verge]

This guy is running deferred on the same GPU why can't you

[lucid token]

Is Minecraft patched made by some creators can we make more beautiful shader for Minecraft patched

[quick beacon]

Clean

[pale urchin]

Everything in that list is community made

[lucid token]

How this thing is possible

My device running on Android 14

[pale urchin]

Hmm that says 1.20.51. It also appears to be a modded shader. Can they still run deferred in the latest version? Could have something to do with the new limit on compute size or something

[lucid token]

This my device specs and all

[mossy verge]

I don't think they changed requirements ever since 1.20.40.22

[long ruin]

I think I'm good

[mossy verge]

Is deferred technical preview option greyed out for you

[lucid token]

I have one more device it has snapdragon 695 processer it can not run differed technical preview

[mossy verge]

Bruh

It's also supported

You don't even know how to enable it

[lucid token]

But I can t run shader on my device

[mossy verge]

What minecraft version you have?

[lucid token]

Minecraft 1.20.70.25

[mossy verge]

Are you using any deferred supported pack?

[lucid token]

Yes

Poggyluminos

[mossy verge]

Enable render dragon features for creaters experimental while creating a world

[lucid token]

I do all thing

[mossy verge]

Then join the world

Go to video settings

Set graphics mode to Deferred rendering preview

[lucid token]

When I click on fancy graphic to differed technical preview my game crash

[mossy verge]

The gpu is supported but it's just too weak

Otherwise the option is greyed out

[lucid token]

@mossy verge what you are saying
That I can jump but I am weak that I can't jump

Example

[mossy verge]

Maybe

[lucid token]

Can anyone make like rtx for Android on Minecraft patched

Can any creator of this group

[mossy verge]

The crash might also be due to lower ram

PBR textures require more ram

[lucid token]

My friend on java edition said fool why I m playing Minecraft bedrock but I love to play Minecraft bedrock i paid money on Minecraft bedrock

[mossy verge]

You can try a deferred pack without any PBR textures

[lucid token]

Can you give shader without pbr

Iphone have less Ram than Android but it can run pbr in this group I saw a iPhone xr can run differed technical preview

[mossy verge]

DM

[lucid token]

After doing lot of hard work and help of sir toast my device do that

[proud pike]

[lucid token]

What is this error

[blazing whale]

On this video shadowmap bug

[lucid token]

This can be resolved or not

[earnest sierra]

That’s a bug with the deferred rendering pipeline and not the pack

[mossy verge]

The only fix available right now is YSSSE shader

Or you have to wait for future minecraft preview for fix

[sonic canopy]

@drowsy lantern Those are RTX materials. On android they're empty placeholders, but on windows they contain RTX code. There is no RTX on android. But I have been working on a custom shader - cross platform ray traced renderer, and I intend to make it work on android as well. I usually post progress updates here, this is the latest one #1182095383015456829 message

[viscid moth]

I believe the your shader is software rat tracing right?

[sonic canopy]

Yup, no hardware acceleration

[viscid moth]

Is there any plans for hardware acceleration for certain devices

[sonic canopy]

So far no. I'm not entirely sure it's even possible. But I might eventually make RTX version of this shader.

[viscid moth]

I am very interested

I some how thought your shader was RTX and you were bringing it to the phones

[sonic canopy]

Ah no lol, it's a modification of deferred pipeline

[viscid moth]

I believe they are modified .bin files
Gonna crash the game as soon as you release the pack for sure with betterRD

[vague shoal]

Will we be able to put the vanilla sky into deferred?

[silent zealot]

@drowsy lantern

[lucid token]

@sonic canopy This is a texture pack you are making

[sonic canopy]

Where?

[lucid token]

In showcase you showed som some images

Of rtx

[sonic canopy]

Ah. That's a shader I'm making, not texture pack or RTX pack or deferred pack.

[lucid token]

Can it will run in low end device

[sonic canopy]

Probably not, but I'm hoping that it can run on mid-high end phones

[lucid token]

It is looking so beautiful

It is based on pbr texture

[lucid token]

Can I run it

[sonic canopy]

I didn't release it as it's not done yet, so for now the answer is no

[lucid token]

Okk

Can we make shader for Minecraft on mobile

Can anyone answer

[silent zealot]

Yes

[lucid token]

How please tell

[silent zealot]

https://discord.com/channels/523663022053392405/1182091616358506577

[lucid token]

Mean

@silent zealot mean

[silent zealot]

Mean?

[lucid token]

How I make

[silent zealot]

Read the channel

[lucid token]

Which channel

@silent zealot whic channel

Hey please answer @silent zealot

[jagged fable]

This was before Point Light Shadows, how does it look with point light shadows, have you added it yet?

[lucid token]

Hello anyone answer my question

[lucid token]

Can I make

[mossy verge]

I think point light shadows are already enabled

[lucid token]

@mossy verge can you help

[sonic canopy]

I didn't add point lights, but point light shadows in deferred have nothing to do with point light shadows in ray traced shader, I could've added them long time ago, just didn't bother to do that. And it's possible that I won't add them at all, they're not that useful when you already have emissive global illumination

[jagged fable]

I mean the latest screenshots of Veka's shader are from 1.20.60 betas and there was no point light shadows back then

[sonic canopy]

https://devendrn.github.io/renderdragon-shaders

[jagged fable]

So any update on your shader?

[sonic canopy]

Nope, I've been busy with something else

[jagged fable]

Oh ok

I can't wait to throw these screenshots at Java players who think Bedrock doesn't have Shaders or can't have it without RTX capable GPUs

[silent zealot]

without RTX capable GPUs
😉 could just show them deferred rendering screenshots

[jagged fable]

More than half of the Java player base doesn't know about deferred yet

[silent zealot]

The channel I linked earlier 😐

[silent zealot]

More than half dont know about addons

[jagged fable]

Even YouTubers didn't know, I saw somone saying, "does Bedrock finally have Mods" on Twitter I think I saw it via your repost

[jagged fable]

And like 90% of them who knows, calls it Mods, they don't even know add-ons means RP+BP

[jagged fable]

These are the same people who thought the only source of getting custom stuff on Bedrock is Marketplace, many of the YouTubers stated that you have to pay for skins, like you can't use the same skin on both versions

[lone sluice]

Are there minimum requirements for PBR? My slider is greyed out.

[silent zealot]

What device are you on?

[jagged fable]

You mean Deferred?

[lone sluice]

Windows

[lone sluice]

Yes

[silent zealot]

Directx12 is needed

[jagged fable]

Use BRD if your PC is using DX11

[lone sluice]

I have it, at least my config app says so

[lone sluice]

what is that?

[silent zealot]

You're using Preview version right? What does the Debug text at the top of your screen show?

[jagged fable]

BetterRenderDragon

[lone sluice]

Ah

[lone sluice]

Let me check

[jagged fable]

It forces the game to run DX12

Enable custom shaders and deferred

[lone sluice]

Ok

[jagged fable]

Or send a screenshot

[lone sluice]

Ah it is using Dxd11

How do i fix that

[silent zealot]

Search up Better Renderdragon and use that. It will force MC to use Dx12

[lone sluice]

it didnt work

[silent zealot]

Ah interesting, it might not be updated for 1.20.70.XX

[lone sluice]

Alright

Is there not a way without brd?

[long ruin]

Try the new version

It has a shader reload option

[lone sluice]

Ok

[long ruin]

https://github.com/ddf8196/BetterRenderDragon/releases/tag/v1.4.0

[mossy verge]

This gpu does not support dx12

[long ruin]

I just realized that 💀

[mossy verge]

BetterRD can only fix if minecraft isn't using dx12

[long ruin]

Gtx 660

[lone sluice]

fr

[jagged fable]

Bruh just realised that's a GTX 660, I don't think it has DX12 support

[lone sluice]

lmao my suspicions were confirmed

[lone sluice]

but why does it say this then in dxdiag

[mossy verge]

Not full support

[lone sluice]

ah

[mossy verge]

You can still use basic renderdragon shaders

[lone sluice]

aaaaaaa

so im just screwed then?

[mossy verge]

#1182091012177399809 message

[lone sluice]

yeah i have one of those

i could ask my friend if he has any spare gpus lol

[jagged fable]

Wait I just remembered something, when YSS Devs exposed Deferred Rendering to everyone they said it needs Shader Model version 6.5 maybe that's the issue idk, that was months almost a year ago

[lone sluice]

how wouold i fix that

[jagged fable]

You can't

Buy a new GPU or play on Phone

[lone sluice]

lol alr

[long ruin]

I do recall how they were able to enable DX12 shaders for Intel cards

That couldn't originally

I remember playing YSS SE on a UHD 620

[lone sluice]

how?

i have a 5th gen i5 (also bad)

[jagged fable]

It was BRD I think

[long ruin]

Yep

They disabled something related to it so it could use it regardless if it had full DX12 support or not

[lone sluice]

yeah i can use basic shaders but deferred would be ideally better

[long ruin]

Well, sometimes saving up might be a more viable option

Depending in your financial situation

Gtx 1080 is still a decent card nowadays

[jagged fable]

10 series are the minimum requirement GPUs for deferred rendering I think

[lone sluice]

my dad could probably afford it and ive begged him but he is always like "nah"

[long ruin]

Ah

[jagged fable]

Buy a used one then

[lone sluice]

ok

[long ruin]

Yeah, 1080s on Ebay go pretty cheap

Around $100 to $150 USD

[jagged fable]

You can easily get 100 FPS with GTX 1080 on 1080p with Deferred

[long ruin]

I definitely prefer the look of hand made PBR packs, rather than the ones made by the RTX reactor

Of course it's still in alpha

[white willow]

RTX reactor is nice for things like old school mashup packs that you don't wanna do yourself

[long ruin]

True

[white willow]

But if you are making one from scratch don't use it do it yourself no matter how hard it seems

[jagged fable]

For something like Faithful Packs it's useful I'll still prefer hand made for 16x

[long ruin]

☆determination☆

[jagged fable]

RTX Reactor feels like AI stealing everyone's Jobs

[white willow]

While on the topic of pbr I have a screenshot that shows basically "lazy" pbr and thought out pbr. Keep in mind the actual block texture is the exact same

The one on the left feels more like something RTX reactor could pop out

But I haven't used it idk

[long ruin]

The right one definitely looks more like RTX reactors

[white willow]

Oh wow

It's much better quality than I thought then

[long ruin]

Albeit, Reactors has lower looking heightmaps

Don't pop as much

[white willow]

I'm probably gonna redo that one again soon since I've used variable smoothness on blocks like that

[jagged fable]

It feels wierd when there's pixels at different heights on a block like diamond block which is supposed to be smooth

[white willow]

My style is going for older and more worn down so it looking like it's cut roughly works

[jagged fable]

On the outlines it looks good

[jagged fable]

Basically rough unpolished diamond straight out of volcano

[white willow]

Pretty much

It's still really reflective for the sake of builds though

But the actual design fits that

[jagged fable]

I prefer the right one because it blends with the texture of diamonds, on the left the white colours stands out, making it look like sus sand

[white willow]

The left one was the "lazy pbr" example

And the right was the one that I actually put thought into

But yeah, I haven't used a pack made with reactor but I'll standby hand drawn pbr will always be better and more detailed. It just sucks I don't think people will notice those details and care

[jagged fable]

That's why it's looks good

The iron blocks in the bg are using custom textures, from a distance it looks it's the texture, but it's actually PBR, the grass looks goated even though it's custom, I only prefer vanilla grass, but this one looks even better, the side texture is goated

This is your pack, right?

[white willow]

Yeah

I've recently changed iron blocks

Made them more vanilla like but still fully handrawn

[jagged fable]

Those two ss are from RTX or Deferred

[white willow]

RTX

Those were taken before I even started working with deferred

[jagged fable]

Looks unique compared to Vanilla texture with uniform lines on it

[white willow]

It was unique but I didn't like it

[jagged fable]

AVPBR has a similar texture but for gold

[white willow]

It felt too random and messy.. and looked off

It didn't fit if that makes sense

This is the new

[jagged fable]

Yeah this is even better

It looks smoother than vanilla

[white willow]

I just like how dynamic pbr can't be.. it's the main thing that distinguishes packs. It's basically the thing that tells Defined PBR and Kellys RTX or Vanilla RTX apart from eachother

And with deferred having expanded features like particle pbr, subsurface scattering etc, those visual changes will be even more noticeable

Of course these aren't out yet but when they are

[viscid moth]

nah fr subsurface scattering about to be crazy

[white willow]

Idk how much it would help glass but things like sand, leaves and stuff would just look so much better

Now I did label it as a pbr feature but that's only because it is a pbr feature in Java. Every block could just end up having a hardcoded value and a quality slider

[viscid moth]

hopefully not

hopefully it will be customizable

I would love a wobbly diamond translucent block

[white willow]

Yeah I don't see why it wouldn't be. In Java SSS is determined by your smoothness

So I wonder if it'll work the same

I probably not actually

It might take from an alpha layer or something

[viscid moth]

most definitely

[keen osprey]

Why is it so hard to create your own custom texures?

[white willow]

I wouldn't say it's hard, just super time consuming

[keen osprey]

Both, you still need to have a texure that looks good.

[white willow]

That's true

[vague shoal]

you know what we need in deferred we need an LOD system like distant horizons mod from java https://modrinth.com/mod/distanthorizons

so we can have more render distance without sacrificing fps

wait a minute weren’t they gonna do something like this for sdgp?

[quick beacon]

Minecraft as a whole needs an LOD system for their chunks

[white willow]

The current "lod" system is just weird and doesn't do the job

From what I know it just makes translucent objects opaque

From a distance

But a proper chunk lod system would be great as long as it's implemented correctly

[rocky halo]

The problem with this mod and also bedrock with incredible render distance is that the game isn’t build for that ; for example in the end you don’t have to find end cities (yes it is obvious)

But it is so cool

[rocky halo]

Without rtx it is okay, but with the lod is very problematic especially with add-ons like java grass

[vague shoal]

I still want it so we can have more render distance in deferred with the same performance

I should’ve suggested this in the qna

But it’s too late now 😭

[pale urchin]

TBH I'd rather it not be deferred specific

[vague shoal]

I don’t really mind if it is

But it’s probably not gonna happen

😢

[pale urchin]

I would. Why would that be deferred specific?

[vague shoal]

Idk

Maybe they can bring it to normal bedrock

I hope

[quick beacon]

There might be a good reason for chunks to work as they do right now with no LODs. I prefer to find structures by surprise. Not by sitting on a high mountain where I can see almost everything in the world around me

[pale urchin]

What if structures simply don't show up in LODs?

[quick beacon]

Then they can do LODs

[vague shoal]

I don’t mind

I just want more render distance

Without sacrificing FPS

[jagged fable]

No Beta yet?

Java Snapshot is already out

[long ruin]

Tomorrow

[jagged fable]

Ok

[true otter]

when are we getting shaders on Minecraft ps4/5 preview ?

[viscid moth]

When they release it ofc

[tribal trail]

"shaders"

[true otter]

(:

[tribal trail]

Those are not shaders

bruh

[true otter]

damn

ok cool

[viscid moth]

Updated list of
Not working texture sets and reasonings

banner - don't work 
bell - don't work
beacon beam - don't work 
piston arm - don't work
horse - don't work
iron golem - works but crack textures glitch out
llama and their carpet - don't work
shield patterns - don't work
warden - don't work but work around available 
hanging signs - don't work
signs - don't work
enchanting table book - don't work 
candles - don't work 
end portal - texture in the entity files??? idk how that works tho but don't work 
Painting - don't work 
Guardian beam - don't work
Riptide spinning texture - work but very glitchy 
Iron bars - works but only on one side
Villagers -  glitchy in deferred in General
Conduit - don't work

[pale urchin]

Should explain a little more. It's going to enhance the graphics. Yes it's technically shaders, but not custom community shaders like Java ones. More like Bedrock's RTX, but supported on more platforms

It's also way more customizable than RTX

[tribal trail]

"Yes it's technically shaders" just one shader, always same one, not custom shaders that are different

[pale urchin]

That's what I'm saying

[faint snow]

No need to be a nerd

No one really cares

Do you expect everyone to call it „Deferred technical preview”

[pale urchin]

Never suggested it

At least deferred though, for now

[pale urchin]

Also this is the add-ons discord. We're all nerds here

[viscid moth]

I can confirm

[long ruin]

I care :D

[long ruin]

[tribal trail]

no, just "deferred" would be good imo

[tribal trail]

It's not being a nerd

it's just about not being idiot

[drowsy lantern]

How to add point light for a new block mod or one block don't have light on Fancy graphics?

[pale urchin]

You're talking about vanilla lighting?

[drowsy lantern]

No
I want this on deferred technical preview

For example i want add new torch and add point light for new torch on Deferred technical preview.

[true otter]

oh i understand now how it works thanks !

[lucid token]

I have questions can any changes in clouds

[drowsy lantern]

All blocks have reflection have black texture

Blocks don't have point light shadow

Why?

2 bug added

[viscid moth]

it's intended for now to save performance i believe

[white willow]

they were only able to half fix it atm so this was the solution for now if im remebering correctly

[viscid moth]

they have big plans for full block point light i believe

also they effed up the saturation
my pack looks like this now

[white willow]

idk where a good place to put this would be but heres a suggestion for the graphics team. Night time in the current version of deferred doesnt look great with denser fogs. Theres a setting in the deferred render folder called volumetric ambient fog. Reducing this value for night time specifically greatly improves visual clarity as well as light shaft visibility at night ( i had no idea the moon could even cast light shafts before this). If this isnt something that would be reduced on your end, perhaps adding it into the volumetric fog json wouldnt be a bad idea either

night time wiht 0.017 fog density with 0.010 ambient fog

this is night time on the default ambient fog (same fog density)

[long ruin]

1st one definitely looks better

[viscid moth]

bro the saturation is effing crazy

better now

[white willow]

agreed. it would be nice to either be able to data drive this our have some base changes done. both would honestly be ideal though

[viscid moth]

yeah vol fog def need more customizability

[white willow]

i like the idea of the ambient fog but i feel its currently TOO strong

and it clashes with the atmospheric fog and makes things like light shafts impossible to see without insane thickness

daytime on the same ambient fog setting

daytime on default

its not AS bad during the day but it still hinders a lot of visibility

[stark harness]

Here

[white willow]

ok medium is low but a bit more stable while moving

honestly low medium and high dont look too different. ultra is the only one that really makes a big difference

im gonna use the player shadow as a reference point

[stark harness]

Ok

[white willow]

nvm that one doesnt change lmao

all 4 settings

[white willow]

also realized i was changing fog and not shadows

so what the shadow quality looks to do is make the shadow softer and more accurate at higher settings

where low is rather hard and innacurate

[stark harness]

Oh

Whats the new lighting mode

Point light shadow quality

[white willow]

hold on i got you

[quick beacon]

How soft the shadows appear from point lights.

Higher = softer

Works the same as regular shadow quality

[stark harness]

Is that on ultra

[white willow]

yea

[quick beacon]

Low shadow quality has the shadows appear blocky while ultra has them more soft (on the edges)

[white willow]

this is on low

[stark harness]

Very strange on how I get 2 more fps with ultra point light on then with the low setting I'm on series x

[quick beacon]

Here it makes the shadows more dense on low when from point lights

[white willow]

medium and high as well

[stark harness]

Literally no difference maybe a little bit sharper on ultra

[quick beacon]

There's a difference, just subtle.

[stark harness]

Yeah

Now point light quality whats the differnce between that and point light shadows

[blazing whale]

0 saturation in tonemap.json?

[stark harness]

Do yall think that xbox players that are on next gen consoles will be able to run everything on ultra once it gets released and is fully optimized

[white willow]

more than likely

im kinda surprised the series X cant

must be the forced 4k

idk

[stark harness]

The xbox series x gpu is equivalent to a rtx 3060ti so i hope it can run a smooth 60 once its fully released

I get like 20 to 30 with everything at there ultra settings

[white willow]

dont run volumetric fog on ultra

thats the only thing id say to not do

keep that at high or even medium tbh

my normal 3060 gets well over 100fps at max rd and medium fog but ultra everything else

[stark harness]

So that means the series x is very capable or running 60 plus fps maybe even 120 ?

[viscid moth]

yup

[white willow]

in theory it should be able to

im at 120 here

no upscaling either at 1440p

and at about 90 average here

so im betting its just the 4k resolution

[sonic canopy]

It's actually a more realistic approach. Metals only have reflections, no diffuse light, and since currently we don't have true reflections, only specular light from point and directional lights, metals look mostly black. But that will change once proper reflections are added.

[viscid moth]

what?
I thought this was a bug
pls let this be a bug

[sonic canopy]

They probably didn't intend it to look like that. But once again, this will look correct once reflections are implemented

That also might be an indication that reflections are right on the horizon

[viscid moth]

yeah wonder how they gonna implement reflections

[sonic canopy]

They already mentioned IBL + SSR

[quick beacon]

Water should have that enabled by default.

[viscid moth]

eh i am not sure about that

I would like to customize it myself via texture sets

[quick beacon]

You'd still be able to, but by default it'll be a set value if you don't change it

[tribal trail]

@still zenith sorry about the ping, but could in the future point light shadows quality setting affect how far shadows are rendered from the player?

Currently, shadows disappear too quickly for the ultra setting imo

as for the performance, if it will have a negative impact on performance for someone, they can change the quality of the shadows to a lower one

[tribal trail]

I also notice something very bad, metals are very dark, which is realistic, lovely, but they are a bit too dark

plus half metals are shaded incorrectly

[rocky halo]

Nobody asked for waving leaves ? In https://discord.com/channels/523663022053392405/1208794911277846589

[silent zealot]

No...why didnt you 😛

[quick beacon]

Arrgh! That was the question I wanted to ask but I forgot at the time of the event because my mind was so full!

[viscid moth]

I forgot to ask about custom position for points lights🤦

[silent zealot]

Bad poggy

[quick beacon]

[rocky halo]

ah sorry

eh it isn't on this server

[rocky halo]

and it is because if i would make a suggestion in this channel, it would be about a light pollution system :

[silent zealot]

You were allowed to make multiple questions

[rocky halo]

ah

[still zenith]

This was indeed changed, yes. It is to more accurately model the behavior of metals, but you're right that it is too dark for the time being. What is "missing" is the indirect specular contribution, aka reflections.

[tribal trail]

don't get me wrong, i love it, it's cool, lovely, just too dark

and can you fix this?

[sonic canopy]

It will be fixed when reflections are added

[still zenith]

Metals will definitely be getting a face-lift over time. 🙏 Lots of churn in that area of our BRDF right now.

[tribal trail]

the point is that the transition between semi-metals and metals is not smooth

there is a harsh cutoff that shouldn't be there

[still zenith]

Hmm, you should definitely still be able to specify partial metals.

Do you mind sharing an example block MER asset, please?

[tribal trail]

I can send my pbr (only the textures or the entire texturepack) if it will be helpful

[tribal trail]

I'm on my phone so it's hard for me to send just the texture

wait

I'll go to the computer

[still zenith]

The pack is ok with me. 🙂 thank you!

I'll get a bug filed internally. I think it may have to do with some changes we made to accommodate sub-surface.

Before I check do your MER textures have an alpha channel by any chance? (If you don't know off hand, that's OK, I can check)

[tribal trail]

I'm not sure

I don't remember anymore

[still zenith]

No worries. We'll get to the bottom of it. 😀

[sonic canopy]

SSS will be authored in MER alpha? 👀

[still zenith]

Spoilers

[tribal trail]

:0

[sonic canopy]

🤐

[still zenith]

It's OK to share as it may be the reason for some bugs people are seeing in the latest deferred preview.

I'm thinking of the "white" leaves some packs saw 🤔

If that is the cause, then it should be possible to work around with that tidbit of info. 🙏

[silent zealot]

Confirmed, we will be able to create bottomless effects /s

Ik RTX can create void/mirror blocks, will deferred be able to do that

[still zenith]

It depends on what you expect to reflect in the mirror. Reflections in first person are expensive in non-RTX when objects aren't on screen.

[quick beacon]

Just gonna see a floating player arm

[pale urchin]

You won't see anything assuming SSR is being used

[silent zealot]

I dont mind if we dont get mirros, i just want the void eggect

[quick beacon]

eggect

[silent zealot]

https://discord.com/channels/691547840463241267/1006770889955737650

No idea if its already possible bc i havent had the time. If it is i can just port the knowledge base here then

[sonic canopy]

With changes to metals in recent preview (and in the future, if they stick to realistic PBR model), it should be possible to create such blocks in the exact same way

[silent zealot]

I dont get why people want mirros though. F5 alr exists

[tribal trail]

finally got my PC back (my niece was playing MC hehe)

[stark harness]

Best technical preview settings for xbox series x ?

[white willow]

how do these look fogs look? too much, too little, too much color? looking for some feedback (also not sure if this would be the right channel for this)

[tribal trail]

@still zenith sorry for 3th ping (😭) but this block is not working

also these blocks worked fine with shadows but now they don't have them

also I don't know if it's just me but my game crashes a lot

[pale urchin]

This happens with any block with geo close to their block space boundaries

[still zenith]

Yes, those block shapes were deemed too "large" to be considered point lights. Emissive lighting is the advised approach for those sorts of blocks at this time.

[pale urchin]

Aw that's no fun

[tribal trail]

maybe you can give us the ability to decide in global.json which blocks have shadows? 🙏

[quick beacon]

booleans

[tribal trail]

in a similar way to how we decide about pointlights

[tribal trail]

fix shadows for full blocks pointlights by maybe not rendering shadows for them and give us the ability to decide which blocks have shadows and which don't

this way we could decide which blocks are rare enough in the world that their shadows do not ruin performance

[pale urchin]

In this case if they find a solution for blocks like the enchantment table, then they it should also solve the full block problem too

[tribal trail]

I thought we didn't have point light for full blocks for performance reasons

[quick beacon]

They work

not on custom blocks tho

[pale urchin]

Well you said you wanted to choose, right?

It's a performance issue when a lot of them are used

Like say, lava or glowstone

Full blocks generally are used a lot unlike stuff like torches

[tribal trail]

we could choose which blocks are used so infrequently that they should not damage performance so much

[quick beacon]

I wonder if they'll have a method to have lava be lit without being expensive

[tribal trail]

and we could even create more realistic cinematic texture packs variants not for gameplay that have shadows for everyone

[quick beacon]

I think it would be hard to pull off. I think they would need a shadowmap or something for every block in the game

I am no graphic scientist.

[tribal trail]

"I think it would be hard to pull off." ofc, it was very hypothetical and unreasonable, but you see what I mean?

[quick beacon]

mhm

[limber needle]

Question: Will we get HDR support?

[quick beacon]

#1209542389434294361 message

[limber needle]

Any concept of eta?

is that in deffered only?

space in hdr is alot diff than in sdr

[sonic canopy]

Deferred already uses HDR rendering internally, but you probably mean HDR monitor support, in this case we don't know if that will ever to be added. Personally I don't think it will

[faint snow]

They said they’re working on HDR support

[sonic canopy]

No, they said they are working on HDR color grading, not HDR support. HDR color grading is a type of color manipulation that you apply to HDR color, which deferred already uses internally

[faint snow]

That sucks

[viscid moth]

ngl for custom point light location
they could just do point light from the emissive pixels

[sonic canopy]

1024x1024 texture packs exist 💀

[viscid moth]

damn I forgot about that

may be a custom geo file ?

[faint snow]

SDGP had emissive textures

[pale urchin]

No way. That is too costly.

Something like Reflective shadow maps on the other hand...

[viscid moth]

it did I am talking about the light coming from the emissive pixels instead of the floor/pre-determined location

[sonic canopy]

For sunlight GI?

[pale urchin]

Yeah, but you think that could extend to emissive textures?

Virtual point lights

[sonic canopy]

Virtual point light would have to be rendered on the shadowmap in this case. It should work for secondary sunlight and maybe even point light bounces, but idk how that could apply to emissive pixels

You know what, they could just use SSR for specular, and only if block is off-screen, fallback to point light specular. For diffuse light there shouldn't be much of a difference whether you have 1 point light for block or for each pixel, in the end their contribution will be averaged

So I'd wait for reflections, because that might just solve the problem of awkward point light specular reflections

[long ruin]

[rocky halo]

Someone should make a "deferred on"

Like this

[sonic canopy]

DTP ON

[earnest sierra]

LOL

[long ruin]

[blazing whale]

is it possible to add a new point light to deferred now?

[sonic canopy]

Yes, but only to blocks that already emit light in vanilla game, without deferred. I.e. you can add point light to glowstone because it's already a light source, but you can't add them to block of dirt, since it's not a light source
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/minecraft/creator/documents/deferredlighting?view=minecraft-bedrock-stable#point-lights

[blazing whale]

Ok

[long ruin]

Do you think they will come to Custom blocks? Sorry for the ping btw

[sonic canopy]

Yeah I think so, if we're still unable to add lights to custom blocks (with vanilla light emission) then this is most likely a bug and will get fixed at some point

[long ruin]

Nice

[quick beacon]

Custom blocks can emit light from 0-15

Point lights tho do not work on custom blocks for some strange reason

[white willow]

Did some testing amd wow this thing is strong. Anyone with an M2 iPad Pro will be eating nicely. AS LONG AS YOU HAVE A COOLER I don’t and my perf started tanking

[random horizon]

Question: will there be performance updates to xbox and othe devices? Ex: better Framerate

[silent zealot]

Optimization is probably the last thing theyll focus on before shipping Deferred Rendering to stable

[stark harness]

Whats the differnce between medium poing light quality and ultra point light quality

[white willow]

Good question no idea

[stark harness]

Can u check maybe

I can't get on

[white willow]

It would be from my phone but I can try

Medium

Ultra

I see no difference

[long ruin]

same

maybe its how far they will render

[white willow]

Found it

Yep it's render distance

Ultra

Medium

[long ruin]

[white willow]

So it's honestly not necessary to be on ultra but hey if you want them to show up from farther away

[stark harness]

I don't see a difference

[white willow]

look at the stone. you can see the light reflecting off the stone in the top and its not in the bottom

the light also isnt colored in the bottom one either. its just using the vanilla lightmap, where as its yellow in the top

[stark harness]

Oh ye now I see

[stark harness]

Whens the realistic water coming out

[white willow]

no idea

[stark harness]

Any possible dates ?

[viscid moth]

do you guys have ever seen this error before

this is due to the mie_start

also i made the sun texture blank that's why

[viscid moth]

there seems to be a disconnect

[blazing whale]

Bug sun animation

[viscid moth]

I have fixed this just like yesterday
but I forgot ☠️

[viscid moth]

does anyone know if is there other types for exposure_compensation_type

"exposure_compensation_type": "constant",
    "custom_exposure_compensation":
    {
        "-6.9": -5.0,
        "-3.75": -3.0,
        "0.5": 2.0,
        "2.6": 3.5,
        "6.8": 7.0,
        "10.9": 11.0
    }

[sonic canopy]

constant, default_curve, custom_curve

[viscid moth]

thanks

[sonic canopy]

I don't think it's currently reasonable to configure custom exposure compensation curve, since you can't see the current EV of the scene, so you'll have to configure it blindly. But it would be possible to create a custom shader with exposure indicator

[viscid moth]

also btw were there any other method added for tone mapping techniques
i know aces,reinhard, reinhard_jodie, reinhard_luma and uncharted_2

[sonic canopy]

Nope, no new tonemappers

[quick beacon]

Veka just knows

[sonic canopy]

But I think they will add filmic tonemap at some point #1212804711040679947 message. I'll let you know when that happens

[quick beacon]

Wait, how difficult would color grading be?

[viscid moth]

I hope it's not very difficult

[quick beacon]

How "very"?

Difficult to a point where a bean brain like me won't be able to do it?

[viscid moth]

I have never done color grading before

i hope it's not hard

[sonic canopy]

For comparison: uncharted2, filmic, aces

Filmic is pretty good

[viscid moth]

trying if it accept veka

damn it accepts veka

[sonic canopy]

I feel accepted

[viscid moth]

"exposure_compensation_type": "custom_curve",
    "custom_exposure_compensation":
    {
        "-6.9": -5.0,
        "-3.75": -3.0,
        "0.5": 2.0,
        "2.6": 3.5,
        "6.8": 7.0,
        "10.9": 11.0
    }

are they key frames

[sonic canopy]

Yes.

[viscid moth]

huh

[sonic canopy]

But instead of time, they use as key average luminance of the scene, in EV100 format

[viscid moth]

is this it

[sonic canopy]

Yup, looks like it

[viscid moth]

anyway idk how it works tho i won't mess with it

[sonic canopy]

Yeah, without some kind of EV indicator, there is really no point

[haughty hare]

When can we fight the Render Dragon ?

[viscid moth]

if you have the source code of the game
I will show you

[haughty hare]

Do we need the Render Eyes to enter the Rend ?

[weak saffron]

TF

[viscid moth]

I think @haughty hare consumed too much tik tok and youtube shorts
now having brain rot

[sonic canopy]

The rend looks the best with rat racing

[viscid moth]

damn veka fell for it

I hope you guys recover

[haughty hare]

I need to find loots in the Rend city

[tribal trail]

is reinhard_jodie default?

[sonic canopy]

yup

[quick beacon]

It's one that looks... interesting...

[sonic canopy]

It looks the most like BRTX tonemap, based on my tests

For that reason I used it here #1182095383015456829 message

[tribal trail]

did you use betterrtx or vanilla mcrtx in this comparison?

[sonic canopy]

Vanilla

[quick beacon]

oh

[sonic canopy]

I wanted to achieve PBR parity with RTX. And I think I did it quite well, deferred PBR was already very similar to it, so I only tweaked it a little

[faint snow]

I thought it’s the same

[viscid moth]

it looked best and most stable compared to other methods

until the saturation update

aces looks better in general but it has a problem with emissives for me at least

[tribal trail]

it looks dead, boring, makes everything look bad

default

ACES

[haughty hare]

I did it

I slained the Render Dragon

[tribal trail]

i like aces emissivity

[long ruin]

How do you add aces to it?

[viscid moth]

idk man it just looks kinda muted for me
but emissive in general is bad

[white willow]

Left is aces right is normal

The logs look better

[tribal trail]

fire looks better

more realistic

[white willow]

I'll have to test aces again later since I've lowered all of my emissives down to deferred levels

[viscid moth]

There I Iike the emissive of the logs on the default better

[white willow]

Aces for me matches the way i wanted them to look. That's how they look in RTX for me

[tribal trail]

there's something wrong with you

[viscid moth]

☠️ bruh

[silent zealot]

Hmmm...it's...ok

[viscid moth]

I want blues to glow blue not some blueish white

[silent zealot]

Only improvement on the left imo is the nether wood

[tribal trail]

light source should lose saturation

[viscid moth]

Ik i just like it that way and if I want the saturation losing I would up my green level the problem is that aces make them very white at the low level of emissive

[white willow]

I like it for the contrast increases. I like things very contrasty but that's personal preference

[viscid moth]

But tbf emissive is just effed in general so I would like aces better if they fix the emissive issues

[viscid moth]

Yeah the grass looks really good in the picture

[tribal trail]

well, I assume that if mojang gives us the ability to edit the tonemap, they will also give us control over emissive desaturation lol

Besides, I like this effect

looks "realistic" and contrasting to me

[tribal trail]

same

[viscid moth]

Tried it and it looked kinda good on aces

But you do need to find a sweet spot

[tribal trail]

Aces

reinhard_jodie

reinhard_jodie just looks flat

[viscid moth]

Agreed

[white willow]

The torches look more correct in the bottom one but the block looks awful

Where the block in aces looks great

[viscid moth]

It looks so blown out but the colors of the torch is good
For aces the contrast is just chef kiss grass looks umami

[tribal trail]

I think it's because the torch has both a pointlight which makes it bright and an emissive map that makes it even bright

[white willow]

Probably

[tribal trail]

Besides, I assume that we will get control over emissive desaturation (I hope) so it will all be possible to adjust

[viscid moth]

We will most definitely

[tribal trail]

so this argument is not even relevant then

[white willow]

I'd make a custom materials preset but it doesn't feel right to do since it's not global in the pack so showing things off using that feels wrong I guess

[viscid moth]

It's relevant until we can change the desaturation of the emissive

[white willow]

We can just it's only client side at this time

[viscid moth]

Anyway
Here are features that I want after the confirmed/in development features

• Ability to apply point light to the texture side
• Depth of field togglable
• Chromatic abbreviation togglable
• Motion blur togglable

[viscid moth]

I mean in resource packs ofc

[white willow]

I'd like to be able to make point lights brighter or darker

Or have emission values control that because well currently, emission doesn't actually do anything

[viscid moth]

Yeah

[sonic canopy]

You won't need the 1st one when reflections release

[viscid moth]

Huh

Why

[sonic canopy]

The issue is that you don't like the look of point light reflections, right?

[viscid moth]

Nope

It's for the jacko lantern

I just wanna make it realistic

I wanna make it so that it looks like it's rtx I suppose
And I think that's possible with point light shadows now

[sonic canopy]

Ah I see, so you basically want a spotlight

[viscid moth]

Yuh

[drowsy lantern]

how i can give red point to red light block?(new block mod)

[long ruin]

Point lights for custom blocks are currently broken unfortunately

Most likely a bug

[viscid moth]

also there's this bug with the mie_start

[haughty hare]

The Rend

[viscid moth]

also this bug

particles getting messed up
particle pbr support soon ?

ayo it is

[pale urchin]

Smoke is particle. Particle PBR is just bugged right now since it technically isn't supported yet

[viscid moth]

it is particle

[pale urchin]

Yup

[viscid moth]

would be cool to see rainbows in minecraft deferred

[viscid moth]

pls bring back circular lighting

diamond shape really looke weird here

[tribal trail]

nooo

i trully love diamond shaped lighting

it looks cute🎀

[viscid moth]

for the sake of me and you
pls add a way to customize this

[tribal trail]

it sounds better

because I seriously love it

[viscid moth]

eh
ngl for some blocks diamond shape looks better

but would be cool to have a way to customize it block by block

[tribal trail]

for me it looks better for every block, idk why but for me it's cute and suits MC vibe

[viscid moth]

I agree for the suits mc vibe thing
but idk how you find this cute

[drowsy lantern]

I very like circular lighting too
How can i use this?
I am making a new shader and use this for my shader

[viscid moth]

in the image is not circular but diamond shaped
i was just saying it looks bad in the image

[drowsy lantern]

This is not circular

This is circular

[drowsy lantern]

I like this

[viscid moth]

yeah same
for clarification
I was saying that campfire looks kinda bad with the diamond shaped lighting

hence why asking for them to bring back circular lighting

[drowsy lantern]

I think circular lighting looks more realistic

[tribal trail]

@still zenith how could you

I know we complained about the new saturation changes, but we were counting on something between the old and the new, not a complete reverse

[silent zealot]

Oh it's a complete reverse?

[pale urchin]

I thought it was just reduced a bit

[still zenith]

It's not a complete reverse. It's still > 1. It's a sensitive parameter. You'll be able to data drive it soon. 🙂

For reference, I think the saturation factor in the previous update was 1.2, whereas now it is 1.05. It's subtle.

[tribal trail]

very subtle

also looks like emissive desaturation does not exist

[pale urchin]

Completely removed?

[vague shoal]

Thank goodness it will be data drivable

[pale urchin]

Oh that. Hmm

[tribal trail]

set to zero by default

[pale urchin]

Like always, so what's different?

Is it tonemapping?

[tribal trail]

emissive blocks should lose their saturation at least a little

[tribal trail]

idk, that's something I noticed

[sonic canopy]

Preview broke all custom shaders and tools once again 😔

[silent zealot]

Mojang: "This man in particular, we're gonna mess him up"

[vague shoal]

Aw man

[sonic canopy]

Sounds plausible, considering that they just added a single 0 byte into material format.

[tribal trail]

slayn't 💅

[vague shoal]

@still zenith sorry for ping but I I wanted to ask something I completely forgot to ask in the qna do you all plan to implement an LOD system to deferred rendering so we can have more render distance with the same performance like distant horizons mod from Java?

[still zenith]

I don't have anything to share about LOD systems like that, no. The Deferred initiative is more focused on the composition of the scene and how it's shaded, rather than how much geometry is in the scene.

[vague shoal]

Ok

[white willow]

ok question for pack makers

what would be considered a good luminance for the sun

currently mine looks like this. idk if brighter or darker would be better or worse

same goes for things like rayleigh strength etc

[sonic canopy]

Realistic values should be color: [1.0, 0.976487, 0.970855], 126 000 illminance

[white willow]

i see

ill try these out

[pale urchin]

What if there's a molang query called query.graphics_level that goes from 0 to 3
0 - simple
1 - fancy
2 - deferred
3 - raytraced

This could be used to make entities look different depending on the visual fidelity. For example, you could make fake light shafts that disappear when using deferred graphics which can replace it with a real light shaft

[lucid token]

This is good looking

@mossy verge

[mossy verge]

?

[safe urchin]

this glitch with point light shadows

If anyone knows how to fix it or what causes it please let me know

If I add 1 torch I get this weird glitch shadow

But if i put 2 or more near each others it get fixed

Idk why

[safe urchin]

Example

[mossy verge]

Cloud shadows

I don't mind if they get removed entirely as a fix

[quick beacon]

Do texture-sets work on custom block textures?

[viscid moth]

Yes I think so

#691547840895516684 message

[quick beacon]

I don't get it?

They work fine on my waystones

my dumb butt used the wrong texture name. Fun when you have 2 of the same textures with different names 💀

Now I look embarrassing

[tribal trail]

you mean pbr?

[quick beacon]

Yea, tho I wish there was a way to not make them as bright.

This is a value of 1 and I find it too bright

@still zenith (sorry for the ping) Is there a fix in place or planned for custom blocks to support point lights?

[white willow]

That's a value of 1!? Holy

I swear it depends on the object. Like my warden has a lot of 1 values and it's barely emissive but my warped fungus has 1 values and it's bright

[viscid moth]

yeah emissive is really effed
after level 10 the bloom just get bigger while the pixle becomes more white

[tribal trail]

" while the pixle becomes more white" then how else would you like it to work

[viscid moth]

yeah if your base color is bright colored it become brighter
while if the base color is dark it looks okay

[viscid moth]

bruh i mean like i get that the pixel should become saturated
it should not start at level 10 values
after like 20 values it's all the same
20 and 255 is like the same except for the bloom

[tribal trail]

my problem with emissivity is that the emissive desaturation does not work at all and that emissivity is too strong

[viscid moth]

yeah i am talking about that

[white willow]

Everything in the background here uses a value of 1-3 and the wardens arms and feet and face have a value of 1. I'm assuming the differences are this extreme because of color though

[quick beacon]

It depends how bright the original pixel is, but I don't want to tweak my textures because then stuff looks bad if they play non-deferred

[white willow]

Yeah I'm not changing mine to fit that either. My pack isn't vanilla by any means but stuff that looks fine I'm not modifying

(Those ores aren't mine I forgot I had prizmaRTX glowing ores on for whatever reason)

[viscid moth]

off topic but the lava looks wrong

[white willow]

How so

[viscid moth]

no point light 🗿

[white willow]

Oh

Yeah no lol

[viscid moth]

at least bluds getting 50+fps

[white willow]

Normal my phone runs it at about 60 just fine but performance has been weird this update. Idk if it's all the improvements I've made to my pack or what

[viscid moth]

yeah sometime you can loose a bit of perf
then gain back 10+ fps more next update

[white willow]

Both my phone and iPad took about 10 ish fps hits

My pc has been ok though

Still maintaining around 80-130

Just my mobile devices are getting hit hard

[viscid moth]

peformance reducing update

[white willow]

Feels like it

[lucid token]

Is parllax mapping posible in Minecraft bedrock

[pale urchin]

Not in vanilla, no

[still zenith]

That's definitely a bug. We'll address it eventually. 👍

[sonic canopy]

You could fake it for custom blocks tho, with either cubes for individual pixels or with multiple texture layers (shell texturing)

[lucid token]

Mojang should add

We can add remove texture shader without exiting server or worldit is possible

Like in java we can add texture and shader without leaving the world and server

Is anyone agree with me

[viscid moth]

they said it's kinda hard to do that

[tribal trail]

water wiggle wiggle when

[viscid moth]

in .90.20 confirmed

[proud pike]

soon

very much in the works

[vague shoal]

I wonder if they will add a toggle to make lighting like this in deferred

I think it would make deferred better

[faint snow]

What 🤔

[vague shoal]

It’s from internal shaders from Java

Mumbo jumbo and grian use it in their videos

And some popular shaders use it