World Generation General

[sly forge]

theres better ways to go about this

like growing plant features

[proper dew]

Btw i figured it out already

[sly forge]

birch forest has another tag

:p

[fickle elm]

I dont think so, cause i tested the same thing with obsidian and nothing happened

[sly forge]

weird

[civic gazelle]

do custom biomes with biome.json files work now or is everyone still using the feature trick?

[upbeat barn]

Custom biomes are still broken.

[civic gazelle]

Thanks for the reply @upbeat barn . Whats the goto nowadays? I found this
https://discord.com/channels/523663022053392405/1170534497855479810

[upbeat barn]

I think it's still noise based features.

[sly forge]

indeed it is

[proper dew]

Or alternatively, overrides

[sly forge]

either solution is a bit of a jank solution

[velvet spade]

could someone explain to me how the search feature works? ive been trying to get this thing to place anything on my tree feature and im just not understanding it.

[civic gazelle]

How can i pass data from one scatter feature to child scatter feature?

[velvet spade]

are you trying to use a scatter feature to scatter another scatter feature?lol

[civic gazelle]

yeah 😄

but generally i wanna know how its done with any feature, i know some people add variables in the iterations but im not sure whats the correct syntax

[civic gazelle]

is it possible to edit vanilla biomes? ive been fiddling with parameters and vanilla files but nothing seemed to make a change in the game?

[velvet spade]

As far as I've seen is you can change what blocks are used as the biome itself. You can add the slope blocks to mountaisn ect. Can't really change the generation itself.

[dense crow]

How to adjust the rotation axis in jigsaw structure system?

[undone junco]

they re bugged right now i dont recomend using it

[undone junco]

the rotation depends on how do you place the jigsaws block

should depend

jigsaws rn do what dthey want

[velvet spade]

whats the best way to get features to place underground?

[gilded bay]

tryna search smth

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[upbeat barn]

Yes.

Take a look at the client biome file.

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[junior brook]

i need some guidance

i want to generate custom block (grass like) in some certain biome only

i have no idea where to start

[sly forge]

biome tags

[rough raven]

This post: https://discord.com/channels/523663022053392405/1324376503848275980 has a download for the vanilla feature and feature rules files, so learn how it works through there. It does not have everything, as some stuff is still hardcoded, but it has enough to learn how it works. Use this with the MS Learn site info: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/minecraft/creator/reference/content/featuresreference/examples/examplefeatureschema?view=minecraft-bedrock-stable

[unborn axle]

Has anyone else noticed that world generation randomization doesn't seem to work properly anymore? I made a single-block feature with various variants within the file, but only 2 of them generate when there's 5 total variations. I also made a weighed random feature the other day and only one of the weighed features ever loaded.

[silent aurora]

ive encountered the issue with single block feature, i have a randomizer for 3 block states, but only 2 of them generate

[unborn axle]

Hm, that's strange.

[dense crow]

Jigsaw structure can't spawn in many biomes?

[summer iris]

Hm?

[opal crown]

Is there perhaps a limit on how big a structure can be when placed with a feature? Because some of my structures are like cut off in the middle

[upbeat barn]

48x48.

[opal crown]

Eh

Mine is 55x55

Guess i'll need to make changes

But thanks

[junior brook]

do u have a json format

[rough raven]

Not sure what you mean... the links I gave you have plenty of examples.

[junior brook]

Hey

i have a question

according to what i've read, feature rule dictates how a feature is placed

then how can apply a condition on the rule?

{
    "format_version": "1.21.0",
    "minecraft:feature_rules": {
        "description": {
            "identifier": "namespace:block",
            "places_feature": "namespace:block"
        },
        "conditions": {
            "placement_pass": "surface_pass",
            "minecraft:biome_filter": [
                {
                    "any_of": [
                        {
                            "test": "has_biome_tag",
                            "operator": "==",
                            "value": "plains"
                        }
                    ]
                }
            ]
        },
        "distribution": {
            "iterations": 0.5,
            "x": {
                "distribution": "uniform",
                "extent": [
                    0,
                    15
                ]
            },
            "y": "query.heightmap(v.worldx, v.worldz)",
            "z": {
                "distribution": "uniform",
                "extent": [
                    0,
                    15
                ]
            }
        }
    }
}

how can i say only generate ontop of grass and dirt

[rough raven]

There are features and feture rules, to different types of files. For a good example, look and the Magma files. You can have multiple features. Pay attention to how sometimes a feature is applied to another feature, like stacking

[junior brook]

i cant find them

[rough raven]

DId you download the vanilla files I pointed you to

[junior brook]

the link u give only for biome

there's no specific feature that go in great details for specific rule

[rough raven]

No, this has biomes and features.. #1324376503848275980 message

[junior brook]

can u just at least tell me how to make them only generate ontop of grass and dirt

the file is just overwhelming

there's no point of asking here then to get told to read the file, thats nothing better than just google

[rough raven]

Because it is not simple. And I have to do the same research that you would have to do. I have to find something similar and see how it does it. And the point of this discord is to help people learn to help themselves so they can understand.

Here is an example of a Sea Sponge I am working on. json { "format_version": "1.21.40", "minecraft:single_block_feature": { "description": { "identifier": "dw623:place_sea_sponge_feature_v1" }, "places_block": "dw623:sea_sponge_v1", "randomize_rotation": false, "enforce_survivability_rules": true, "enforce_placement_rules": true, "may_attach_to": { "auto_rotate": false, "min_sides_must_attach": 1, "top": [ "dw623:sea_sponge_v1", "minecraft:sand", "minecraft:red_sand", "minecraft:brain_coral_block", "minecraft:bubble_coral_block", "minecraft:fire_coral_block", "minecraft:horn_coral_block", "minecraft:tube_coral_block" ] }, "may_replace": [ "minecraft:water", "minecraft:kelp", "minecraft:sea_grass", "minecraft:dirt", "minecraft:stone", "minecraft:gravel", "minecraft:clay", "minecraft:sand", "minecraft:sandstone", "minecraft:red_sand" ] } }In order to even get this far, I had to study how vanilla did similar stuff and read ALL the features to see which I would need. This version has 2 feature files and 1 feature rule file.

It is called research

So I think you need the may_attach part

[junior brook]

Thank you

Thats all I need

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[undone junco]

i know you can do this with world_gen jigsaws

just dont place any jigsaw in your structure and in your addon add a jigsaw structure, then you can set the jigsaw structure to have a beard

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[undone junco]

world_gen... wait a second

Bp
 |- worldgen
    |- jigsaw_structures
    |- processors
    |- structure_sets
    |- template_pools

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[round cosmos]

Is there a way to use Jigsaw structures in combination with standard features? I don't like the way jigsaw structures are defined due to their lack of placement control and such

[upbeat barn]

No.

[round cosmos]

Dang

Can't wait til we can

[civic gazelle]

does anyone have a working example of the ore feature? im trying to make a blob in the air, its says structure placed but nothing appears. not sure if its lagging or if it doesnt work

[misty pivot]

Do conditional features work?

[upbeat barn]

No. It got removed I believe.

[misty pivot]

That genuinely sucks...

Does anyone know where that post of explaining q.noise like "(q.noise(v.worldx / 512, v.worldz / 512) + q.noise(v.worldx, v.worldz) * 0.05 > 0.52) && (q.noise(v.worldx / 128, v.worldz / 128) + q.noise(v.worldx / 1, v.worldz / 1) > 0.09 && (math.abs(v.worldx) > 80 || math.abs(v.worldz) > 80)) ? (q.heightmap(v.worldx, v.worldz) - 1)" is? I really liked that post as it explained what each part did, but I was not smart enough to understand it fully back then.

[misty pivot]

Nevermind, I found the post.

I did some experimentation... and got this, unfortunately...

[upbeat barn]

Goes hard.

[misty pivot]

I know right? But this looks more like a giant mountain spire, where I just want a underwater forest lol

[misty pivot]

At least it looks way better now.

[sly forge]

alien trees?

[misty pivot]

It does look alien... but no, they're supposed to be tiny trees. Just that (for some reason) they kept stacking upon each other lol.

[sly forge]

heres a little tip for features like trees

q.heightmap(v.worldx, v.worldz)

use that as the Y value

its also possible for them to only generate if the heightmap is below a certain y level as well

[misty pivot]

But would that work underwater?

[sly forge]

water doesnt count as terrain

at least last i checked

[misty pivot]

Alright then, I'll try it and see how it generates.

[raw abyss]

Hello,
I am very new to world generation and just wanted to know, if there is a good tutorial on how to spawn a structure.
I have seen the jigsaw-dungeons on microsoft learn, but if I wanted to only spawn lets say a house, (with the natural world generation) do I need to do it with a jigsaw block or is there a way for a structure to generate in the world without the need of a jigsaw block?
If yes, how would I do that/ where would I find a tutorial for it? 😅

[upbeat barn]

You can use the structure template feature instead.

[sly forge]

just note that /locate doesn’t work with them

but they don’t require any experimental toggles so theyre the better option for now

[raw abyss]

So I now build tried implementing a 50block high wool tower into the forest biome, but it always generates deep into the ground, instead of high up in the sky... Here is the code for the feature:
´´´json
{
"format_version": "1.21.0",
"minecraft:structure_template_feature": {
"description": {
"identifier": "test:old_house_feature"
},
"structure_name": "mystructure:old_house",
"adjustment_radius": 8,
"facing_direction": "random",
"constraints": {
"grounded": {},
"unburied": {}
}
}
}´´´

[sly forge]

send feature rules file

[raw abyss]

{
"format_version": "1.21.0",
"minecraft:feature_rules": {
"description": {
"identifier": "test:old_house_feature_rule",
"places_feature": "test:old_house_feature"
},
"conditions": {
"placement_pass": "surface_pass",
"minecraft:biome_filter": [
{
"test": "has_biome_tag",
"operator": "==",
"value": "forest"
}

 ]},
  "distribution": {
  "iterations": 1,
  "x": 0,
  "y": 0,
  "z": 0
}
}

}

[sly forge]

yep its exactly what i thought it was

[raw abyss]

What is the problem? 😅

[sly forge]

set “y” to “q.heightmap(v.worldx, v.worldz)”

instead of 0

yes, you need to include the quotations, as it is a string, not an integer

[raw abyss]

give me a second, gonna try

got an error, because I forgot the second ), but give me one more try

YEES it worked, thank you so much 😄

[sly forge]

np

[raw abyss]

This is what success looks like:

[misty pivot]

I've made even more progress. I think doing 2d land is great, but I kinda want to do some hills instead of just flat terrain...

[sly forge]

have fun figuring out how noise works

[misty pivot]

Lol. Do u have any idea on doing 3d terrain?

[timid quest]

How's the performance when generating something like this? Also would love to learn more on how you're doing this. I haven't really played with the world generation but basically in the future I would like to create custom environments.

[misty pivot]

Well, I'm doing all this on mobile so of course there is a lot of time before generation is finished... but it isn't too bad...

[timid quest]

🤔

[sly forge]

its not the most performant thing in the world but its this or nothing

the performance difference isnt even noticable if ur just making a couple features

but its VERY noticable if you mess with molang terrain

[misty pivot]

Exactly. Which is what I am doing. Molang can be fun but very performance heavy.

[covert escarp]

How do you fix this or if you even can?

[undone junco]

Its a bug you can’t fix it

[covert escarp]

Dang

[sly forge]

there are some alternatives but if ur doing above-ground i don’t recommend using them

[covert escarp]

Yeah it supposed to be underground it just hasn't been set yet

[sly forge]

ah ok

yh theres a few ways to do it then

[unborn axle]

Are there any features which are able to scan the area for flat ground and then able to place a feature there?

[sly forge]

search features

i think

idk how to use em tho

[unborn axle]

Me neither

[dull obsidian]

is there a jigsaw generation where i can make an entrance in mountains??

[undone junco]

no

[dull obsidian]

:(( btw, is it possible to make my jigsaw structures spawn once per world.?

Mainly for boss rooms

[undone junco]

at this point just use scripts to generate it if its only 1 per world

[steel gull]

Are biomes stable?

[upbeat barn]

If you mean custom, no. They're broken.

[steel gull]

Gotcha. What about jigsaws? nvm just saw the experimental tag on it

[weary forge]

Can you load entities inside structures by using features?

The structure I used loads fine but all entities inside it gone when the structure is generated. I also noticed some trapdoors are in the wrong orientation.

[upbeat barn]

No. Using jigsaws yes.

[weary forge]

Ah. Thanks for the info.

[weary forge]

First time using a jigsaw structure! Unfortunately, there are some side effects I still need to figure out:

-All entities spawn at their y axis minus one apparently (see the painting), some Vindicators were sunken to the ground when spawned.
-There are too many entities of the same type spawning in a single structure.
-Trapdoors are in the wrong orientation (second pic) if the structure faces two of the four directions after generation.

I suspect some of the issues are there because I used a single pool with no jigsaw block so I would appreciate if it was pointed out. Ignore the water flowing, I haven't changed the generation conditions yet.

[weary forge]

Well, I guess I will use command blocks to summon entities until these issues get fixed.

[sly forge]

the trapdoor issue has been a thing for years

thats a structure block issue as well

Mojang keeps trying to fix it but it keeps not getting fixed

theres also cutoff issues with jigsaw so i advise against using it

at least for now

[weary forge]

Is it possible to use command block to fix the trapdoor positions? I'll try it later.

[sly forge]

i think so yh

[weary forge]

Thanks, I'm going back to features for now.

[weary forge]

Yep, they're super broken.

[weary forge]

Is there any efficient way to fix this? I would like to keep the terrain outside the structure intact.

[dense quail]

Use structurevoid instead of air on the exterior

[weary forge]

Ooh, that’s clever. Thanks.

[vale cliff]

Anyone pls tell me about this i want to make a block spawn in a biome how will the feature and feature rule will find that that is the block

[sly forge]

i think you need to read up on features

unfortunately it appears the wiki is outdated

[vale cliff]

Oh ok bro

[thorn cosmos]

why is it that I havent seen anyone just replace current biomes instead of making custom ones?

[sly forge]

because you never noticed

people already have done it but there’s only so much you can do in the first place since players will notice almost every biome in the game

also custom biomes aren’t even possible atm so idk where that’s coming from

[thorn cosmos]

Yeah I wanted to look into it and see if I can get it actually working on a mod loader for bds

And I was messing around with the game files and such and noticed it worked and that I never really seen anyone use that

Could use it to kinda redesign the biomes to be "cooler" or somethin

[sly forge]

i dont see anything wrong here, wtf is wrong :/

[dense quail]

Can you try to put the whole else section into parentheses?

[sly forge]

no change

ternaries have been giving me issues for a hot minute now

shenanigans aside, beautiful world spawn

[dense quail]

Been a while since I did some worldgen stuff, but dont you need to return something for your true case?

[sly forge]

im returning all at the end

[real fiber]

You can also put command blocks in your structures and use those to generate the entities. They can also delete themselves after

[weary forge]

Yeah, that’s exactly what I did and I highly recommend it. If only paintings could be summoned like that.

I even corrected the rotation of trapdoors with commands. They are very powerful.

Btw, is there any way to use locate command to find features?

[sly forge]

no

[sly forge]

if you use weighted random features instead of the random rotation you can fix this without commands

[weary forge]

Will try, thanks.

[weary forge]

I couldn't fix it. I used "weighted_random_feature" to direct it to four features. Then I made it so that all those four had only one of the directions in "facing_direction". However, the trapdoor issue still occurred. Currently, they all use the same "structure_name". Should I make different structures with different rotations in separate .mcstructure files?

[leaden thorn]

Does anyone know how to fix this issue? My features spawn with missing sections

[copper junco]

Just real quick how much would it affect my world if converted my world to Java loaded it in real quick and converted it back to bedrock cause I don't want to break something, or etc doing so

I know I sound crazy

[leaden thorn]

I solved this by setting the extent of the scatter to 2,13 to ensure the feature spawned inside of the currently generating chunk but I'm still having this issue with larger structures that have no choice but to cross chunk borders

[sly forge]

use [-16, -1] instead of [0, 15] for the x and z values in feature rules

no guarantees tho

[sly forge]

because you didn’t rotate the structure yourself

use different structure files

[leaden thorn]

tried this but I still get the same amount of failed spawns which is weird considering my features are around 14-20m wide

[sly forge]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[leaden thorn]

a lot of the failed spawns coincide with this issue: https://discord.com/channels/523663022053392405/1340068421785878581

the features are being cut up by these weird chunks

[sly forge]

thats strange…

[leaden thorn]

its almost exclusively these chunks that cut up my features

[sly forge]

ive never come across this with custom terrain

what are the iterations set to

[leaden thorn]

terrain isn't custom

[leaden thorn]

256

fixed grid distribution

[sly forge]

hmm…

yh you shouldn’t be having any issues whatsoever

i wonder if it’s something related to vanilla terrain and not the chunks

[weary forge]

That's what I was afraid of. It will take a significant file size. But it's good to know, thanks.

[sly forge]

np

[leaden thorn]

could be, especially since the chunks that are cutting up the features don't change

[sly forge]

they don’t cut up custom terrain

which uses the same principles

[sly forge]

as what this uses

[leaden thorn]

I'm using feature rules without a biome file, i'm not sure if that counts as custom terrain

[sly forge]

for the most part

[leaden thorn]

ahh nvm i didnt read the next part

[sly forge]

the only difference is that custom terrain places a lot more blocks and uses custom noise functions instead of vanilla terrain

[leaden thorn]

my assumption was that the chunks are loading late, ignoring the custom rules and generating only the vanilla features but that wouldn't explain why it's the same chunks

[sly forge]

…or why it doesn’t affect custom terrain

[sly forge]

try using q.above_top_solid instead of q.heightmap

im wondering if there’s something wrong with the heightmap query

[leaden thorn]

I have had issues with it before, it can return unexpected values if a cave generates at the location

[sly forge]

note that this will cause trees to generate on top of eachother

[leaden thorn]

lol yeah, I'm seeing that XD

[sly forge]

lol

[leaden thorn]

but it still has the chunks that cut my features

[sly forge]

weird

set y to 256

yes thisll put them in the air

[leaden thorn]

yeah, the chunks are still carving out my trees

[sly forge]

wtf

[leaden thorn]

I can probably get away with this if it's a minecraft issue and not an issue with my code

[sly forge]

try using a single block feature with iterations set to 256 in the feature rules instead of tree features

[leaden thorn]

its only those weird chunks that cut up the features

sure

[upbeat barn]

Does this occur in the same chunk across numerous seeds?

[leaden thorn]

no

And its not everywhere

most of the time it works

but when it fails, it has giant holes

[sly forge]

the only time its not happening is when you use custom noisemaps

its really weird

why does it not happen with noisemaps

im genuinely confused

none of this makes any sense

[leaden thorn]

Loaded up another map and it doesn't have any big holes.... I'm not wasting any more time on this

[weary forge]

Anyone know a good tool that lets you get a 3D render of your mcstructure file?

[sly forge]

if you export it as an obj you can view it in blender

youll need knowledge on how to use blender tho

[weary forge]

Thank you, I somehow forgot .obj was a thing.

[sly forge]

lol np

[covert jolt]

Hi, is there any way to generate structures on the flat top of these terrain balls? (These balls are generated using feature and molang)

[dense quail]

Should be possible, but the exact implementation would depend on how you generate the terrain blobs

[covert jolt]

Can you give some examples? In addition, I have partially completed the generation of the houses, but I don't know how to prevent them from piling up together (I have set the iterations in feature_rules to 1, but they still overlap with each other)

[dense quail]

You can adjust the block allowlist in the structure template file to only include air and green wool

[covert jolt]

I have already done so

[sly forge]

set iterations to 1

[undone junco]

are jigsaws been fixed?

[sly forge]

nope

main issue still isnt fixed

[undone junco]

what is the "main issue" ?

yeah something isnt right

[sly forge]

hard to explain

[undone junco]

wrong math?

[sly forge]

again, hard to explain

[undone junco]

can i find info anywhere?

[sly forge]

not particularly

[old minnow]

then try your best please :>

[velvet spade]

any way to get a growing vine like the nether vines to place on a tree ?

[covert jolt]

I have already done the same.

By the way, do we have a way to flexibly control the natural generation of jigsaw? (Just like the features)

[sly forge]

i wouldn’t bother, jigsaw is still unusable

[covert jolt]

OK

[subtle plinth]

Jigsaw is usable you just need to have a lot of patience

[sly forge]

it’s unusable

there’s a major bug with jigsaw causing jigsaw structures to not generate properly

[subtle plinth]

I have a fully functional jigsaw structure that goes underground has multiple different types of rooms and interior decor

[sly forge]

^^

[subtle plinth]

The only one I’ve seen is that some tunnels generate with gaps between them but that is getting fixed in 1.21.70

[sly forge]

there’s another issue

theres a relatively high chance that a jigsaw structure will reverse direction and start overriding the entire structure

[subtle plinth]

I’ve not seen that a single time

[covert jolt]

Can the projection function work properly?

I used terrain_matching projection in the template pool, but it doesn't work.

Or maybe I didn't use it correctly.

[subtle plinth]

terrain matching has worked for me when ive used it but i only use rigid rn as it looks better imo

[subtle plinth]

alright i understand what you mean with that. Ive had it happen maybe twice or three times in the over 40 iterations of my structure ive generated and while it is annoying i dont think it makes jigsaw’s unusable

[sly forge]

other ppl have had it happen at least 3 times in the same structure

and in some cases its enough to make it unusable

[subtle plinth]

I wonder why you all have so many problems witg jigsaws when i have three fully functional ones. I may have just outjanked the system

[undone junco]

Ignored 😭🙏

[old minnow]

We've tried ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[real fiber]

Is there a way to generate a structure that is not completely buried, but not floating?

I have a giant beehive structure that is roughly 7x7x7 in size

Would like for it to generate in caves

If I use "unburied", I think that will preclude it from generating anywhere where the top layer isn't entirely air

Am currently using a scatter feature rule that places a structure template feature

Is there a better way to generate this structure?

[subtle plinth]

@jagged wing your terminant hive was kinda like this

[jagged wing]

mine was a surface structure with a slight offset, I haven't done much of true underground structures

[old minnow]

molang support in jigsaws would be cool, wouldn't it?

[subtle plinth]

Yeah

[sly forge]

yh im literally at the front pushing for it

[old minnow]

How do you mean that?

[sly forge]

i mean it exactly how its worded

i want molang to be usable for this

mainly for molang-terrain stuff

[still wing]

I’d love to have Molang in Jigsaws

[old minnow]

to be fair, it is unlikely that we will see it

if we view the existing focus to avoid molang where possible... combined with the more java-esque design choices

[still wing]

I don’t like how they’re going the Java route

[old minnow]

I agree, I'm not sure what motivated them directly

but I assume a few marketplace partners, interested in porting content

[subtle plinth]

I think it would only really work with some of the values such as levels but I think for thing such as distance between chunks (those two values) the game would get confused on numbers and stuff

[subtle plinth]

With what

[still wing]

Jigsaws and the stuff they’re been doing recently?

The schema we have for Jigsaws right now is literally taken from Java

[subtle plinth]

I think it’s good that way

[still wing]

It is not

[subtle plinth]

If you are coming from Java you don’t have to go to hell and back to learn it

[still wing]

While yes, this isn’t Java. Bedrock’s add-on system is way different than Java. Molang was made to allow content to be somewhat more dynamic

JSON isn’t that dynamic

[subtle plinth]

I think that because the system was new they didn’t want to reinvent the wheel and program a entirely new stuff for a system that should work the same between versions like how they are going for parity in vanilla

[still wing]

What?

[subtle plinth]

I think that keeping the versions the same would be best

[still wing]

Not really no

[subtle plinth]

Why make a whole diffrent way of doing it on bedrock if you have one that works on Java

[still wing]

It wouldn’t fit in with the rest of Bedrock’s systems, and isn’t that dynamic imo

[still wing]

^

[subtle plinth]

That’s likely because it is new, also how different do you mean as the closest thing we had to true structures was structures features

I think the code for the jigsaw system makes pretty good sense compared to things like blocks and entities

I was very new to making addons when I started with jigsaws and I found it very easy to learn

[still wing]

how different
Java data-packs don’t have versioned content. They don’t have Molang. They also don’t have the dozen things we have

[subtle plinth]

Versioned content like the format version?

[still wing]

Mhm

[subtle plinth]

I think that’s mostly so addons don’t implode like Java mods when a update comes out

[still wing]

also there is no need to copy the exact stuff when it can be done better

[still wing]

Data-packs aren’t mods tho

They’re Java’s equivalent of add-ons

Mods are just external modifications to the game’s code

[subtle plinth]

What would be the better way to do it, only thing I can think is lacking is template pools and processors

The structure sets and jigsaw structure files I think are fine as they are with the exception of the lack of molang

[subtle plinth]

Do data packs also break with a new version?

I’ve never really used one

[sly forge]

Mojang "but we no wanna look at molang and fix all the shitty issues!"

[subtle plinth]

Molang is kinda goofy

The only molang I use is math.random in particles

[sly forge]

its only goofy cuz Mojang did a terrible job with it

theres a lot of missing functions

theres only a couple different loops

XOR operator is missing

[subtle plinth]

What do people use molang for

[sly forge]

noise query doesnt work correctly (its not seeded properly)

[sly forge]

a lot of things

[subtle plinth]

Ah

[still wing]

Molang can be used for many things

[sly forge]

mostly for world generation (like structures) and for entities and animations

[still wing]

It could allow for more random jigsaws

[sly forge]

though some of us do silly things like custom procedural terrain with it

[subtle plinth]

I think molang should be improved before they dump it in the already unstable jigsaw system

[sly forge]

depends on the datapack but generally yes

[subtle plinth]

At the moment it’s borderline impossible to make custom villages but I’m hard set on making one

[sly forge]

datapacks break far more often than addons

[still wing]

Molang works well for what Mojang wanted it to be used for, it’s just that people love to push it’s boundaries

[subtle plinth]

Ah, but addons do but to a lesser extent, 1.21.20 and 1.20.30 ravaged a number

[sly forge]

i.e. ME

[sly forge]

yes, but only because of experimental features

addon stuff breaks only when ppl use experimental features

datapacks just break

[subtle plinth]

Didn’t 1.20.30 break every single structure regardless of if it was experimental or not?

Features too

[sly forge]

only because they were ported to stable

[subtle plinth]

Wait structures were experimental for that long?

[sly forge]

which requires changing the format version and min engine version

mhm

[subtle plinth]

That’s interesting

Bedrock must have a really weird world gen system if it’s taken this long for structures features to leave experimental and for jigsaws to just get used

[sly forge]

id suggest rewriting jigsaws to use scripts

the only issue with this is that you cant hook features to scripts

[subtle plinth]

Oh god no

Scripts suck to learn

[sly forge]

ik

but its a far better choice than JSON

Molang could also work, but Molang itself needs work

(also there are no files for Molang)

[subtle plinth]

I think the only thing that scripts should be used for in jigsaws are ambient spawning things and spawning mobs with the jigsaws

I don’t use scripts so I’m not sure if they really have any use for spawning mobs

[sly forge]

example of pushing boundaries:

[subtle plinth]

I also gtg

[sly forge]

oki

[sly forge]

this should be an inherent feature of jigsaws imo but thats just me

[subtle plinth]

I can’t wait for structure ambient spawning things

And for a official way to spawn a mob through a jigsaw like village golems and animals

[jagged wing]

I consider mods to be any modifications to the code whether through design or external tools.

So addons and plugins do indeed count as mods, they are just modding solutions given to us by the developers.

[old minnow]

I beg to differ

Molang was created for way different reasons

[old minnow]

also beg to differ here, its not bad.. its just weird

[still wing]

I mean fair but I just don’t want them to copy Java and keep it as is 😭

[old minnow]

Like previously mentioned, Mojang wants to avoid Molang wherever possible due to prior experience

[old minnow]

I mean it does make sense why they do not use Molang...

[old minnow]

so... parts of the vanilla game itself are mods? Since the vanilla game does use vanilla behaviour/resource packs for some stuff xD

[old minnow]

let's copy javas transforms and dynamic shapes 🔥

I would not complain :p

[subtle plinth]

on java

the global resources arn't addons really

or the normal resources

the default texture pack ingame is what i mean

[old minnow]

On bedrock

There are vanilla behaviour and resource packs that you count as mods

[subtle plinth]

those arn't mods, they came with the game

the game wouldn't work without them compared to the ones on java which are experiments or ui textures. The game can run without those ones.

[old minnow]

Bedrock can also run without these :3

They are in theory just plain assets

[subtle plinth]

i love my purple and black texture game

[thorn cosmos]

does anyone got a custom biome pack, I know its broken but Im seeing if I can get them working on a modloader

[sly forge]

what mod loader

last i checked theyre all discontinued

[thorn cosmos]

endstone

[sly forge]

thats not a mod loader

thats a custom server software

like Spigot or Paper

[thorn cosmos]

its modded bds??

[sly forge]

modded server yes

mod loader no

also there should be a community somewhere for endstone

idk where it is but you might wanna look for one and ask there

[thorn cosmos]

yes but Im asking for custom biome packs

[sly forge]

this isn’t the server to be asking about server software, as thats its own separate thing

[thorn cosmos]

if there are any anymore

[thorn cosmos]

not even what i was asking lol

[sly forge]

actually its very much related

if there are any biome packs that work with endstone

theyll be there

not necessarily here

[thorn cosmos]

biome packs

as in addons

a behavior pack

[sly forge]

again, not necessarily

endstone doesn’t just use addons

it has other stuff as well

ur better off finding an endstone community

[thorn cosmos]

im not fucking asking about endstone shit

it doesnt matter

[sly forge]

because this may be beyond the reach of addons

[thorn cosmos]

I want to make custom biomes working through addons by modding endstone

[sly forge]

ah

[thorn cosmos]

but i was wanting to find any old custom biome packs

[sly forge]

ur trying to modify the software ok

welp

[thorn cosmos]

yes, and I know how to just need packs to test

[sly forge]

it wouldn’t really matter regardless unfortunately

because minecraft handles biomes drastically differently now

[thorn cosmos]

not really tbh, at least at a modding standpoint, currently looking through seeing whats stopping it, hence why Id like packs to test

[sly forge]

i mean the biomes will register just fine

[thorn cosmos]

yes i know

[sly forge]

but theres a bunch of newer stuff involved

[thorn cosmos]

yes i know

[sly forge]

you might as well make a test pack urself

there might also be an old example still up on the bedrock.dev wiki

[thorn cosmos]

there are but wanted to see if there were any ones I dont gotta make, cause its another thing ill have to test/debug to make sure is correct

[sly forge]

i mean

it’ll probably be faster to make one

[upbeat barn]

@thorn cosmos Try, https://github.com/SmokeyStack/FallenKingdomAddon/tree/860b836352eb4ba9ef45d919d750d31e24ff7e28/fk_BP/biomes

[sly forge]

bro got lucky lmao

[thorn cosmos]

when i havent touched much addon making for a bit probably not lol

[thorn cosmos]

ty

[old minnow]

Its literally a mod loader

I wonder if we could get Endstone to generate custom biomes

Since the client would only need the definitions

[sly forge]

i was told it was literally a server software

[old minnow]

It is... so is paper etc, its just a server software that has a mod loader

[sly forge]

💀

[old minnow]

???

It is literally a mod loader on top if bds

[sly forge]

meh

[sly forge]

yes this is correct

itll generate 1 approximately every 100 chunks

its good for testing but i don’t recommend using 1/100

[sly forge]

what is the structure, what are the loot pools?

personally id make it rarer depending on how useful it is to the player

1/100 would likely be a structure with no benefit whatsoever and would be small

like a statue or something

and even then id use 1/250 for that

[sly forge]

yh use 1/100 for testing purposes then

[sly forge]

minimum must be first

lol

[somber bough]

What about a very rare boss structure? That you should maybe play around 40-50+ mc days to find one. So 1 / 2000?

[sly forge]

1/3000 to 1/5000 imo, depends on the reward

[somber bough]

Also if I am trying to add alot of structure mods into one world, what spawn rate should I edit to each structures so that it's balanced and not filling up my whole world with structures.

[somber bough]

I see

Is 1/250 for every structures balance?

I don't want them to be too rare or too common. Just mid

[sly forge]

1/250 id say for useless structures

like statues

1/500 for anything minimally useful

[somber bough]

What about structures with common/mid loot

Ah

[sly forge]

1/500

[somber bough]

So the good loot ones set it to 1/1000, strong bosses 1/3000.

Also should I just set every structures iterations and numerator to "1" and only change the denominator to a higher number based on spawn rate chances?

[sly forge]

mhm

larger denominator = lower chance

always set iterations to 1 per structure

[real fiber]

Also depends if your structures generate underground or not

Underground structures should generate more often

Something like a small monster room dungeon could be 1/50 if it generates underground

[sly forge]

fair enough

but id still go no less than 1/100

[somber bough]

Thanks for the heads up

[somber bough]

@sly forge hey am back again, i wanna ask if i should follow the same spawn rates for nether, end, floating structures (any dimension), and ocean structures

Do i need to change them just like the underground structure ones? Or just follow the usual spawn rates that we discussed above

[sly forge]

nether structures count as underground so use the same rules

floating structures are obvious so id make em a bit rarer

[somber bough]

Alright so only nether structures uses underground spawn rates, the others listed above use the same spawn rates except floating ones

[sly forge]

end structures depends on where they are

[somber bough]

Wait doesnt this apply to end dimension and ocean?

Cuz its very "open"

[sly forge]

ocean bottom, terrain can obscure

the end is a bit of a finnicky one

[somber bough]

In the end islands whatever thing. The one thats not located at the dragon island. Just normal end islands.

[sly forge]

finnicky

[somber bough]

Hm

[upbeat barn]

48x48

[upbeat barn]

Y shouldnt be restricted.

[real fiber]

You can use command blocks to generate up to 64x64

The structure will kind of pop into existence though

For one of my structures I ended up making smaller long distance version that gets replaced by the real thing when you get close

The better solution will be to use jigsaw blocks for larger structures

[real fiber]

You need a structure block to save the command block

Also to save your structure

Use gamerule command blocks enabled to disable command blocks while you set it up

The command block should be a repeating command block set to always active

It should run a function that spawns the structure and sets itself to air (or whatever block should be where the structure was)

[real fiber]

I would look into jigsaw blocks though

They have functionality in beta now and it's the correct way to make larger structures

The thing I did was a hack to make it work because jigsaw blocks had no functionality

[brisk needle]

the blocks are getting replaced, tree features generates on the diamond blocks, but my other structures wont generate:

    "format_version": "1.21.0",
    "minecraft:single_block_feature": {
        "description": {
            "identifier": "test:placeholder_plains_base"
        },
        "places_block": "minecraft:diamond_block",
        "may_replace": [
            "minecraft:sand",
            "minecraft:gravel",
            "minecraft:grass_block",
            "minecraft:dirt",
            "minecraft:stone"
        ],
        "enforce_placement_rules": false,
        "enforce_survivability_rules": false
    }
}

{
    "format_version": "1.16.0",
    "minecraft:structure_template_feature": {
        "description": {
            "identifier": "test:house_1"
        },
        "structure_name": "mystructure:test_house",
        "constraints": {
            "block_intersection": {
                "block_allowlist": [
                    "minecraft:diamond_block"
                ]
            },
            "grounded": {},
            "unburied": {}
        },
        "adjustment_radius": 8,
        "facing_direction": "south"
    }
}

[sly forge]

biomemap working, improved worldgen

[hard cipher]

Is it possible to generate jigsaw structures in other dimensions? Like the nether? Is it necessary to define the dimension or just the biome?

[subtle plinth]

I think I heard that the game crashes when tried

[hard cipher]

It works, but the change is often very high

[subtle plinth]

Ah

[sly forge]

there’s the “structure in a black box” method

and there’s the molang method (superior)

molang can randomly generate terrain yh

only downside is it almost always looks the same cuz the noise query doesn’t work quite right

however it can generate pseudo-infinitely

this uses molang

[hard cipher]

jigsaw is sometimes very crazy

[subtle plinth]

Yeah

[hard cipher]

@old minnow

{
    "format_version": "1.21.20",
    "minecraft:structure_set": {
        "description": {
            "identifier": "mc:fire_dragon_ravine"
        },
        
        "placement": {
            "type": "minecraft:random_spread",
            "salt": 197713345,
            "separation": 22,
            "spacing": 45,
            "spread_type": "linear"
        },
        "structures": [
            {
                "structure": "mc:fire_dragon_ravine",
                "weight": 1
            }
        ]
    }
}

{
    "format_version": "1.21.20",
    "minecraft:structure_set": {
        "description": {
            "identifier": "mc:medusa_temple"
        },
        
        "placement": {
            "type": "minecraft:random_spread",
            "salt": 351068604,
            "separation": 11,
            "spacing": 29,
            "spread_type": "linear"
        },
        "structures": [
            {
                "structure": "mc:medusa_temple",
                "weight": 1
            }
        ]
    }
}

[old minnow]

for the second you are defining a maximum spacing of 29 chunks, means you'll find the same structure again every ~464 blocks... is that too close for you?

[hard cipher]

I don't find the same one, I find different structures like in the example above, close to each other

like I found a temple and a ravine very close to each other

It's okay that it happens sometimes, the problem is that it was happening too often.

[old minnow]

tbf those are two different structures

but structure intersection is a bug ig

[hard cipher]

That's what I meant, different structures are often generating close ones

[covert jolt]

Hi everyone, I would like to ask if anyone has a jigsaw example with terrain matching function that can be directly used. I have tried to write it by myself, but it never worked properly.（I have heard many people say that we do have terrain_matching）

[sly forge]

jigsaw is still very buggy so i recommend you stay away from it for now

[subtle plinth]

ive got two or so

[subtle plinth]

you just need to be smart about it. I have 8 fully functional ones that have very little bugs

[covert jolt]

Oh, could you please show them to me? I really need them

[subtle plinth]

do you want the jigsaw files?

the ones in the jigsaw_structure folder?

[covert jolt]

I want a pack that could directly import and generate the structure

[subtle plinth]

well they use custom blocks so that would be pretty hard

[covert jolt]

What is the function of custom blocks?

[subtle plinth]

I'm not sure if any of the structures within my public betas use the terrain matching thing'

[subtle plinth]

they are part of the structure, otherwise they would be replaced by unknown blocks

#1346939725629493309 message this structure is one of the ones im referring to. It spawns a terrain matching baseplate which spawns the tower and the surrounding structures

[covert jolt]

It's OK, I just want to test if terrain_matching really works

[subtle plinth]

yeah it does but if you place rigid structures attached to it you tend to get goofy results

[wooden meadow]

what a true sigma

[covert jolt]

Oh, is it released?

[subtle plinth]

not yet, probably in a couple of days though

[covert jolt]

Okay, then I'll wait for you to publish it
Thanks so much.

[subtle plinth]

np

[hard cipher]

I hope it will be improved in the next updates.

[subtle plinth]

they fixed one of the larger bugs in 1.20.70 which is pog

[loud pier]

How can i export structures on mobile?

[sly forge]

oh no

you have it

rooms randomly get flipped around in the opposite direction and continue placing, overriding earlier structures

this has not been fixed yet

"being smart" wont fix this

this is the only bug making it unusable and its such a pain

[subtle plinth]

I’ve only seen that 3 times and I have plenty of structures that could get flipped and messed up

[sly forge]

because ur just lucky

[subtle plinth]

You can’t on iOS and I think you need a special pack on android

[sly forge]

i was watching SyKo try to figure this out on stream

and it happened a LOT

[subtle plinth]

I’ve generated hundreds of that structure and my luck is not that plentiful

[subtle plinth]

Who is that?

[sly forge]

creator of Dungeon Expanse

[subtle plinth]

I’ve seen very few creators that make addons

[subtle plinth]

I’ll go check that out

[sly forge]

in many ways, the precursor to Creeping Crypts

[sly forge]

it may or may not still work

because HCF was removed from the game

[subtle plinth]

Yeah, I think a lot of packs like that did

[hard cipher]

you can, but you need to download a texture to activate the button, I don't know why the button is hidden when it is functional(on android)

[subtle plinth]

Was it on twitch because I went there and her last stream was 6 years ago

There was no YouTube channel in her bio either

[subtle plinth]

Yeah, I don’t use android but it sounds really dumb that one of the main features of the structure block is hidden behind resource packs

[sly forge]

no

this very discord server

[subtle plinth]

Ah

Maybe I’ll join if I see it next time

[hard cipher]

especially since not everyone has a computer to create their addons, many creators do it on mobile, so it would be interesting for this button to be visible, at least on Android

[loud pier]

Thanks

[loud pier]

Ok thanks

[subtle plinth]

pillager outpost type structures are wild

[subtle plinth]

jigsaw size 15 dang

imagine 20

just generated this lmao

[sly forge]

pretty sure 20 is the max

im trying to get it increased to 31

[subtle plinth]

20 is the max

[sly forge]

cuz 20 is a silly number for a game based on powers of 2

[subtle plinth]

its probaly a technically limit

like how it was 7 before

[sly forge]

not a technical limitation

[subtle plinth]

also 31 is also not a power of 2

[sly forge]

its a performance one i think

[sly forge]

it is

[subtle plinth]

oh yeah

[sly forge]

0 is also a value

[subtle plinth]

1 is the minium

[sly forge]

1-32
0-31

[subtle plinth]

you cant generate 0 levels

the game straight up doesn't let you put 0 in

[sly forge]

then it has to have a recursion meaning it has to spawn at least a second structure

weird

or they screwed up how their values work

[subtle plinth]

level 1 means that it generates one template then ends

[sly forge]

silly off-by-1 errors

[subtle plinth]

2 generates a second outwards and so forth

[sly forge]

imo this should be 0

not 1

[subtle plinth]

i think 1 makes more sense

its only placing 1 template

making it zero would make it seem that its placing nothing

[sly forge]

look up the definition of recursion

its very similar to the definition of a loop, except for mathematics

its looping back on itself

[subtle plinth]

google is a piece of work

spelled the same lmao

[sly forge]

meaning, by definition, a recursion is a reoccurrence in this case

at 1, its not reoccurring, it’s occurring

[subtle plinth]

wikipedia doesnt really help this

[sly forge]

so 1 doesn’t make sense

0 does because it’s not reoccurring

[subtle plinth]

ig

either way i hope that jigsaws get buffed soon

i want feature_pool_element despite the fact i will never touch it

[sly forge]

to do what i want to do, jigsaws are far too small

[subtle plinth]

what are you trying to do, build a new york?

[sly forge]

the maximum radius is 128 blocks

i need it at 384

[subtle plinth]

256 diameter is no small number

[sly forge]

when ur dealing with modules 31x31x31

256 is tiny

it only allows for 7 modules placed along a line, 1 being in the center

[subtle plinth]

i think in most cases its big enough

[sly forge]

in my case its not even close

[subtle plinth]

ancient cities fit in its bounds

I can only think of 1 thing that I would use jigsaws that large for

[sly forge]

a boss dungeon with large modules would probably need a far larger area if you want ppl to actually look for the boss instead of immediately finding it

[subtle plinth]

I think in 99% of cases where people use jigsaws that they are smaller than 256x256

[subtle plinth]

i have a structure currently that takes 3 hours to go through

including the boss room

its such a ridiculously massive structure that fits within the current limits

[sly forge]

now it’s probably fine for Creeping Crypts (17 modules in a line including the center, since theyre 15x15)

[subtle plinth]

is that a dungeon mod

[sly forge]

my addon yes, but it doesn’t use jigsaws

[subtle plinth]

the main boss room of mine is a 63x63 structure

followed up by large tunnels and stairwells

im having a real heck of a time trying to spell rn

[sly forge]

the advantage of using my system for this is that i can fine-tune the sizes easily if i want

downside is tps lag cuz postgen

[subtle plinth]

and i would assume it uses command blocks which nukes achievements straight out the gate

[sly forge]

it does yes

but because of this

its one of the only ones that still works

[subtle plinth]

I think the main advantage to when jigsaws leave experimental is massive structures with achivements

[sly forge]

and has hardly any bugs

[subtle plinth]

I have a structure now that is fully jigsaw, all mobs, structures, baseplates, etc are jigsaw powered

[sly forge]

before i came along and used command blocks everyone was using ticking blocks which caused all sorts of weird issues

the generator is a couple years old at this point

[subtle plinth]

once jigsaws leave experimental structure addons get so much power

[sly forge]

ik

im waiting for jigsaw too but

well

[subtle plinth]

i just had command blocks place my ticking blocks whcih overwrote the command blocks then ran a function and deleted themselves

[sly forge]

they can’t really do what i want atm

[subtle plinth]

jigsaws are just another infinity stone on the addon infinity gauntlet

[sly forge]

i want to be able to control where they generate and what terrain they follow with molang

because uhh

[subtle plinth]

the system is barebones

you get one maybe two things to enter as values for most jigsaw files

[sly forge]

jigsaw wont work with custom molang terrain

[subtle plinth]

processors only have two types and template pools only have one

[subtle plinth]

how so

I assume the game can still find the surface for the worldgen files to use

like jigsaws

[sly forge]

it can only follow the vanilla terrain in its current state

[subtle plinth]

can features work with it?

[sly forge]

you also can’t modify vanilla’s terrain generator yet

[subtle plinth]

then how did you make the custom terrain?

[sly forge]

thats how molang terrain works, purely features

[subtle plinth]

ah

the terrain there looks like something I would make in world painter

[sly forge]

welp this is procedural lol

[subtle plinth]

oh

[sly forge]

just need q.noise to be seeded so its actually useful beyond silly projects…

[subtle plinth]

I can't wait for the preview channel where they drop custom biomes, it'll probably look like the 1.21.50.26 one

[sly forge]

id love to be able to use a gamerule to modify the max recursion count and block radius

[small latch]

#1348854803555684362 Can you help with that?

I managed to get a jigsaw structure work, just want it to spawn in plains and not under water

[sly forge]

its fixed in latest preview

[sly forge]

@obsidian sigil time to test Dungeon Expanse again, it should be working correctly now

[subtle plinth]

Pog

And 1.21.70 fixes the cut off bug

[sly forge]

mhm

this was also fixed

[subtle plinth]

Most notorious death bug is dead

Peak update

Locator bar, woodland mansion bug fix, world fall through bug fix, and the second largest jigsaw bug fixed

[sly forge]

that woodland one will probably come back

because every time mojang fixes it it returns as another incorrect item

its a running gag

[subtle plinth]

I think that it’s a meme really, what will Mojang make have efficiency 1 next

[sly forge]

aka a running gag

[subtle plinth]

Yeah

Mojang should make it a steak next

[sly forge]

lmao

“this steak is very efficient at filling you up”

[void ember]

do i need overworld.generation and nether tag for nether ores?

[lilac warren]

Does anybody know when custom biomes are gonna be out of experments?

[upbeat barn]

When ever it gets fixed again.

[lilac warren]

Ah i see

I dont do generation much so im never up to date

But ive been getting into it more lately cause its kinda of nice seeing my custom blocks generate

@upbeat barn wait whats broken with them?

[upbeat barn]

Custom Biomes don't even work lol.

[lilac warren]

Oh wow lol

🤣

Thats how out of date i am 🤣

[sly forge]

uhm...ehehe...UHHHH...

lets just say...

i made an oopsie...

👉👈

[small latch]

So when they do work again (Which will be never), Can they overide generation of the normal biomes?

[upbeat barn]

I believe you can still modify vanilla biomes.

[small latch]

tbh I just want to make a 'custom' biome what is just the plains but with coarse dirt

[small latch]

I tried and failed

Any good tutorials on modifying them?

[upbeat barn]

Huh, not sure then.

[small latch]

Might search for a bit

https://wiki.bedrock.dev/world-generation/biomes

I think this will talk mostly about custom biomes tbh

{
"format_version": "1.13.0",

"minecraft:biome": {
    "description": {
        "identifier": "pumpkin_pastures"
    },

    "components": {
        "minecraft:surface_parameters": {
            "foundation_material": "minecraft:stone",

            "top_material": "minecraft:grass",
            "mid_material": "minecraft:dirt",

            "sea_floor_depth": 4,
            "sea_material": "minecraft:water",
            "sea_floor_material": "minecraft:sand"
        },
        "minecraft:overworld_height": {
            "noise_params": [0.125, 0.0625]
        },

        "minecraft:climate": {
            "temperature": 0.375,
            "downfall": 0.25,
            "snow_accumulation": [0, 0.5]
        },

        "minecraft:overworld_generation_rules": {
            "generate_for_climates": [["cold", 1]],

            "hills_transformation": "pumpkin_pastures_hills",
            "shore_transformation": "pumpkin_pastures"
        },

        "overworld": {},
        "pumpkin_pastures": {},

        "animal": {},
        "monster": {}
    }
}

}

This but imma change it to the Plains identifer

and see if it works (Might not but idc)

Just used the plains biome file instead but when you change the top layer to coarse dirt it just removes all dirt and grass into stone

This also happens if you change the foundation to coarse or diff block btw, It doesnt care if you remove stone

stone will always be placed

[sly forge]

turn on custom biomes experiment

[small latch]

That doesnt appear in my experiments list, I have all on

WAIT

I have it on

Biomes just dont like me

[sly forge]

weird

idk then

[small latch]

The funniest thing ive witnessed with my structure is that since its so big even with most parts being cut down to jigsaw ones it still will crash with /place

Now Im scared to find it naturaly spawned incase that will also crash
(It most likely wont)

I was right, It crashed

Gonna sort it into smaller ones now

The main part was 64x40x32 for some reason, That will need to be cut down

[faint dawn]

How do i make a specific biome at specific coords

[small latch]

I dont think you can

[faint dawn]

From my understanding and other ppls addons and tge fact theres an experiemental for custum biomes im sure there is other ppl have achoeveved custum biome placements in bedrock

[small latch]

Custom Biomes dont work anymore

they broke a long time ago (I think last year but who knows)

Now to make 'custom' biomes you just modify the pre-existing ones to your liking

[faint dawn]

The issue is im building on a super flat that has biome terrain off

[umbral pebble]

What is the maximum size for a structure to be generated? I made one that is 46x46 and it is not appearing in the world.

[umbral pebble]

Or a better question, is there a limit to the amount of blocks that can be generated per structure?

[sly forge]

custom biomes broke with 1.18

and you could never get a biome to exist at specific coordinates

[faint dawn]

How do i get biomes on a super flat

[sly forge]

you don’t

it’s not possible

[faint dawn]

Ive seen worlds built on superflat that has gotten biomes to work also ppl are still able to make worlds that are all 1 biome

[sly forge]

second one is just a little leveldb editing

first one is either a modded game or is something like what i posted in #1072983602821861426 (though its sadly not there anymore)

you can mimic superflat using features to get a very similar effect

[faint dawn]

Im trying to think of the best way to approach this as to not overwhelm the server since ill have over 1000 items but there wont be redstone i turned thise into rubies and free build was removed to keep from having huge builds will i still be ok to build on a non superflat assuming 1000 items a large but protected map entities only spawning in clusters when a player is near no open world spawning and players confined to my map which is big as is will i run into issues if i build on a normal world

[subtle plinth]

all the chests in this jigsaw seem to be the same execept for the book which has different enchants

only 1 chest so far as generated with different loot

the tables generate fine when i place the structure using a structure block

alright thats just a bug with /place. the structure naturally generated with randomized loot

[small latch]

Try using jigsaw structures for bigger ones

[umbral pebble]

what do you mean? could you explain it to me better?

split them into several pieces and configure them together?

[faint dawn]

I can so it to me better is 4 words ill need to explain each word individually
It: Used to refer to a thing previously mentioned or easily identified.

To: Expresses direction, purpose, or position.

Me: Refers to oneself, the speaker or writer.

Better: Of a higher quality or more desirable than something else.

[umbral pebble]

What do you mean by that? If I expressed myself badly with my sentence, I'm sorry. I'm not a fluent English speaker.

[faint dawn]

You asked if we could explain "it to me better" so i did 😛

[subtle plinth]

💀

[small latch]

explain it to me better could refer to someone wanting to know somthing better hence explain it me bette

[subtle plinth]

least complicated mob spawning with jigsaws

[tired ridge]

Crazy😯 , how did you get the leaves to look like that? I tried, but my leaves look horrible😂 , and your leaves look simply beautiful.🤩

[tiny idol]

They are not vanillas

Im using my own leaves

[tired ridge]

Please tell me how I can make the leaves look so beautiful, please.

[tiny idol]

Sorry for my bad english

[tired ridge]

hablas español?

[tiny idol]

You need to do a model on Blockbench

To do the gradient, I used UV

[tiny idol]

Brasil portuguese

[tired ridge]

ok

[tiny idol]

So, you need to do this

[tired ridge]

Please, and the gradient for each block of leaves separately?

One question: Since trees have leaves with custom models, how is the optimization going? But visually, it looks like another game. Your leaves are very pretty.

[tiny idol]

Is the same block, but with diferent permutations, and at each permutation, I put a model with diferent UV locations (In Blockbench you can move a UV inside a texture)

[tiny idol]

Honestly, it has improved in recent times

[tired ridge]

I don't understand that UV thing, what is it?

[tiny idol]

It looks like Mojang has fixed that model lag in many blocks

[tiny idol]

It's how you attach the texture to a face of the cube

[tired ridge]

I have worked with Blockbench for many years and until now I have heard about gradients made with UV.

[tiny idol]

I just put multiple textures with gradient in the same png

[tired ridge]

Do you have any screenshots of that blockbench option?

[tiny idol]

And with different models, I was moving

[tiny idol]

Yeah

Wait

I'm going to turn on my PC

[tired ridge]

ok

[tiny idol]

This is more directly

I recommend you to use "Per face"

Is better than "Per UV"

"Per cube"*

Wait

I dont remember the name

Box UV

I dont use that

[tired ridge]

So let's see if I understand, the darker colored leaves are under the other leaves simulating the shadow?

[tiny idol]

Yeah

I used a js code to do this automaticaly

Lets go to #1067535608660107284, I'll show you

[tired ridge]

ok

[faint dawn]

Can i make it so when a new world is created it generates a structure that is never whithin 250 blocks of a structure of the same type

[subtle plinth]

i think the spacing and seperation values of jigsaws do that

[faint dawn]

Im not yet familiar as to how can anyone teach me

[sly forge]

theres currently no documentation except the java docs

for the most part, all of bedrock's jigsaw features are done exactly the same as java

[upbeat barn]

MS Docs.

[faint dawn]

Which has told me nothing because idk how its done on java either

[sly forge]

i forget those exist lol

[faint dawn]

I like how ppl assume the docs are helpful for everyone as im very bad at understanding some of these docs

[subtle plinth]

same

[faint dawn]

Heres a mix of world generation and scripting ai but when a world is first loaded can you get it to save coords to a dynamic property

[subtle plinth]

i just looked at the trial chmaber jigsaws and guessed

[faint dawn]

So how do i get a world to generate a structure on generation to begin with

[subtle plinth]

I think jigsaws spawn on world generation

[faint dawn]

Idk how to use jigsaws either

[tired ridge]

Does anyone know how I can fix this?

I already did the structure editor and the problem persists, I already did it with the option activated and deactivated and I still can't solve it.

Please🙏, I need someone to help me, I don't know what else to do to fix it.

[subtle plinth]

you need to replace the air in it with structure void blocks

[tired ridge]

And how can I do that? I don't know what structure void blocks are.

[subtle plinth]

in the world where you made it you need to replace every air block with the block structure void which can be obtained via /give @s structure_void

it leaves a empty space in the file that tells the game to leave whatever was there before there

[tired ridge]

And how do I tell the game to leave what was there? Is that in the feature structure? Or in what document?

[subtle plinth]

nah you just need to save and export the structure file with the structure voids placed in the spots you want to be replaced by what was there first in the world

[tired ridge]

Thank you very much, I'll try it and see how it goes.

[acoustic drum]

Can anyone be able to bring back to life the mods bioscape and better-end since they do not work in the latest version and the original creator just left it to rott me and others would be forever grateful to be able to use them again

[small latch]

WRONG

I got all my info for them on MS docs

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/minecraft/creator/reference/content/worldgenreference/examples/jigsawjigsawstructures?view=minecraft-bedrock-stable

[small latch]

yes, Just make sure speration and spacing are certian values

I dont remember what the best value is for it

but sometimes the value can break the jigsaw, since sometimes it just wont like that value and decide to say it wont spawn but in reality one might spawn

[subtle plinth]

seperation has to be less than half of spacing

[sly forge]

rude.

also literally read the message below.

[faint dawn]

I achieved it with script instead

[sly forge]

you can do it with molang using features and feature rules too

its a little complicated tho

[faint dawn]

This way is better for this as i need a dynamic property set to each 1 to

[small latch]

I did but still

[small latch]

aight

[sly forge]

rude is rude.

and you don’t need to respond to something that’s already been corrected a while ago, thats also rude

[small latch]

Wrong, Telling someone smth that had already been answered is not actully rude. Plus I provided my story on why its wrong

[sly forge]

just saying “wrong” is outright disrespectful and uncalled for, i dont care who you are

there are far better ways of correcting someone.

if you can’t understand that, do not talk to me.

i am NOT in a good mood.

[small latch]

wrong

[small latch]

correct (Imma stop now)

[oak cipher]

[subtle plinth]

I think I just learned how to add loot tables to jigsaw structures without using mcbe essentials and editing the structure file

[lilac warren]

HEY! i just got a reply from minecrafts youtube channel on there newest vid and they said they might fix custom biomes!!!

[upbeat barn]

?

[lilac warren]

they said they where thinking about it

go check it out

its on the creater channel

im just kinda shocked they replied, tho i was pretty quick to comment

[subtle plinth]

What video?

[small latch]

newest one, Might be the newest one from that message

[subtle plinth]

yeah im gonna look at it soon, atm im working on the jigsaw documentation

found it

[subtle plinth]

this is how to add a loot table to chests in a processor

[sly forge]

that was confirmed over a month ago

that’s not exactly new lol

[sly forge]

oh cool

[lilac warren]

Well i just thought it was neet lol

[subtle plinth]

so /place can generate structures in the nether ill see if it can spawn them naturally soon

[small latch]

I swear you can make custom nether structures

Was there not a tag for the nether??

Like how the netheracks biomes identifer is just Hell

[subtle plinth]

i had heard it crashed the game when tried

[upbeat barn]

I think it doesnt anymore.

[old minnow]

I actually wonder if features are in fact turing complete

[upbeat barn]

Turing or turning bc yes...features can be turned.

[old minnow]

https://tenor.com/view/cute-kid-baby-playing-spinning-gif-17305350

[small latch]

your spinning me around

my feet are off the ground

do you have

do you have to let it linger

[subtle plinth]

I’ll test sometime soon

[sly forge]

structure template features…not so much…

that rotation bug STILL gives me nightmares

[still steppe]

This happens when we change dimension height limit with world generation enabled.https://www.youtube.com/live/D1pWTn2mXEk

[subtle plinth]

jigsaws work in the end, albeit this is not supposed to spawn here so im glad i checked

bruh you have to specifiy in EVERY jigsaw that they can't spawn in the end

my god

they are only set for overworld gen

[sly forge]

i mean the world height stuff on bedrock doesnt allow you to keep the world gen, i wonder what they did

[still steppe]

patched it

[sly forge]

modded instance

[still steppe]

he taught me too and I just took it to like more than 600 world height

[still steppe]

yes, something like horion

[sly forge]

actuallly...

wait

how does it affect feature generation?

[old minnow]

✨ Modding ✨

[old minnow]

Not really

[still steppe]

he said broken world gen happens if we decrease min height too much. otherwise increasing max height doesnt gives much disturbance

[old minnow]

I actually have a open source mod laying around that does exactly this lol

[sly forge]

uhm well

im talking about an extreme case here

if youve already done it...

[still steppe]

good

[still steppe]

which value you want to test

[old minnow]

https://github.com/theaddonn/Skys-the-Limit

Playing around with min height breaks everything lol

Min 128 max 256 was the funniest tho

[sly forge]

try it using this pack, its custom procedural terrain using molang and features, make sure to enable the RP as it has to be done separately atm, send a screenshot of what happens when you raise the upper limit to 512, leaving the default lower limit of -64

if it works the way it does in vanilla

this just might be the solution ive been looking for to a problem ive been having

[still steppe]

i can raise it to 1344

[sly forge]

just do 512

[still steppe]

ok

[sly forge]

i just need to make sure its working correctly

[still steppe]

any experiments required for pack?

[sly forge]

no

itll take a little bit to load into the world tho

[still steppe]

is it supposed to happen?

[sly forge]

whats ur render set to?

[still steppe]

render distance?

ok i will increase it

[sly forge]

duh

no im asking what it is

[still steppe]

it was 27 chunks

[sly forge]

whats the max ur device can support

[still steppe]

the recommended is 27 and max i can go is 50

[sly forge]

ok then, go to 40 render, teleport to 0, 128, 0, then face due south, and wait for all chunks to render in

i'll do the same without using a modded instance

so i can compare

[still steppe]

with 50 chunks

[sly forge]

@still steppe do this

[sly forge]

128

not 134

i cant compare properly

[still steppe]

ok, minecraft crashed bcz probably i went out of memory

@sly forge

[sly forge]

wait wha

...wait...

[sly forge]

change ur fov to 90

[sly forge]

OMG

THIS IS INDEED THE SOLUTON

[still steppe]

run

/tp 0 128 0 facing 0 128 100

[sly forge]

ok i need to learn how to install this

this means i can finally fix the issue where my terrain is going above the build limit