General Discussion

[charred ocean]

yeah

[torn pond]

but i don't really like the approach of "new features need to be something that hasn't been done before" either.

even if a feature is in a mod, as long as it's good and fits Minecraft, there's no harm in adding it.

if anything, a feature being in a mod is a better form of suggestion.

because you get to actually see how it plays, while if it's only a suggestion, there's only a hypothetical "i think this would be fun"

[charred ocean]

it's been done multiple times.

pistons were a mod before it was added

I believe chests were too? idk i can't remember this one I'm weak with the memory lol

[torn pond]

yeah.

pistons and horses

probably some other stuff too but those are the 2 big ones.

[charred ocean]

even more. Ender chests?

yeah them as well

[torn pond]

-# hopefully one day they add the colored ice from my add-on

[charred ocean]

lol

[torn pond]

Like, i don't think there's a better way they could add "borderless glass" than this. It fits Minecraft, is more unique than just "glass but no border", gives us another unique decorative block, and lets us actually color ice pathways.

looks a bit better without VV i guess

[charred ocean]

yeah actually fr

That's actually something minecraft should probably add it

[torn pond]

yeah. We only have 1 colorful transparent block right now, that being stained glass. We have a lot more opaque ones (wool, stained clay, concrete, concrete powder, glazed terracotta, shulker boxes).
People have been asking for a way to do borderless windows for years, and people like ice boat paths. This would be a way to add those borderless windows in a way that actually benefits everyone, even if they don't care about borderless glass alone, you still get a new slippery block, and a new transparent block that looks a bit different.

[eternal shoal]

that ice is kinda cute tbh

[torn pond]

yay :3
it also supports classic textures and has a reduced saturation version for if you think its too bright by default

from what i remember, me making this was the reason i joined this server in the first place

[charred ocean]

nah we good with the bright one

the right one feels washed out

[torn pond]

It's more in-line with the pre-1.13 colour pallette.

[eternal shoal]

i vibe with desaturated one more

[torn pond]

i honestly don't know which i prefer. That's why i ended up doing both

didn't do both for the modern textures because i was happy with the (i think) in-between i did for them

i think they're in between the 2, don't remember if they are or if they're just desaturated

[torn pond]

I think this is an interesting thing for if Mojang were to add something like this. They wouldn't be able to just do subpacks for both, they'd have to choose one.

(this is why we need more colorful transparent blocks in general)

They could add this, and some kind of a colorful crystal block that's the concrete equivilant of transparent blocks where it's mostly one solid colour with very subtle texturing, and then have one be more saturated and the other less or something.

[fringe island]

Why is the vanilla fence item model so ugly? Looks broken lol

[spring veldt]

NOO OAK AND ACACIA FENCE ITEMS HAVE DIFFERENT MODELS I WILL NEVER UNSEE THAT

[fringe island]

It's actually an oak fence and a custom fence.

[spring veldt]

-# im better now

[random karma]

mojonk

[fringe island]

The custom model is closer to the Java Edition

[random karma]

ooh man have you seen the block model UVs?

They're so ass

same with stairs

nastiest shit ever

from what I understand is residual stuff from the early PE days

[tribal torrent]

nether update part 2 needs to happen

i want them to add in the directors cut

and the Wildfire

[random karma]

We've already gotten a ton of the cut content

allays

warden

[half depot]

I want the ice caves

[random karma]

probably some other things I forgor

[tribal torrent]

not necessarily from the nether update

there was alot of it

i might be misremembering but it was enough for the update to have been twice its original size

tho you’re right actually about the allays but there was more

[torn pond]

ice cave drop would be a great opportunity to add colored ice...

[half depot]

WAIT PLEASE NO DONT GIVE THEM IDEAS 😭

(I'm complaining about resource pack)

[tribal torrent]

yellow coloured ice

[half depot]

Copper age drop is painful for RP makers

[torn pond]

whye

:<

[tribal torrent]

lots of copper exposure

[half depot]

Maybe if just complaining but that's like 40 new textures you'd have to support

And while that doesn't sound like a lot

I'm just complaining

[tribal torrent]

copper itself is a dynamic block too

[half depot]

But if you're doing PBR, each copper variant should have unique material properties

Regular copper can be very shiny, exposed less shiny, weathered less metal less shiny (although I believe less metal is not correct physically?), oxidized barely any shine and less metal (although again probably incorrect)

[torn pond]

wait does each colour of wool/clay/etc have its own vv shinyness texture thing

[half depot]

yes

Although

[torn pond]

wouldn't they all be the same ?

[half depot]

There's a method to speed that up

Tbh I just hate writing texture sets

[half depot]

Let's say we are doing concrete

All the same texture

[half depot]

Make one PBR texture (an mers and normal/heightmap) then assign all the blocks in that family to that one material via texture set)

[torn pond]

used /fill to get a simple example of an ice cave

[torn pond]

so, in that case its just 17 textures :3

the 16 colours + the 1 vv texture

[half depot]

I think it's just getting concerning

Because mers and normals take up space in the texture atlas

Which is already getting quite cramped

[torn pond]

i mean, i doubt they'll stop adding new blocks any time soon

[half depot]

Yea. I'm just saying they are gonna have to find something to handle the atlas because

It's very limiting to creators

High res packs are already impossible-really hard to do

256x is barely doable right now

And I think with copper age it might not be at all

Which for creators is quite problematic no?

[torn pond]

yeah :<

[half depot]

High res packs are admittedly not very popular, but still it should be doable

[charred geode]

what is that?

[torn pond]

context

there and earlier

[half depot]

It's reaching a point where my own resource pack may not be doable soon. You can comfortably do 128x packs but with PBR it cuts it VERY close

I think

The problem is, to do a 256x pack for example, you kinda have to cut corners, and can't support every block fully. Some PBR features might be missing yk

But anyways

Ice caves please

[torn pond]

would be the perfect size for a drop.

1 new biome, a set of new blocks

[half depot]

Yea

I feel copper age is also a good drop size. Now the quality of the content can be discussed but we got some neat things

[torn pond]

yeah

[half depot]

I haven't interacted with any of it tho

[torn pond]

the 3 drops so far this year have been:

• spring to life
• chase the skies
• copper age

[half depot]

Spring to life and copper age are fairly nice

[sterile knot]

i wonder what the next one will be

[half depot]

Chaise the skies is, imo, underwhelming outside of getting VV which is also

[torn pond]

chase the skies added VV, but besides that the lead mechanics have been great and allow way more creativity.
copper age added the copper golem which makes item sorters a lot easier.

idk if there's a specific spring to life feature that i really like?

[half depot]

Idk I like all the ambience updates

[torn pond]

firefly bushes are great

[half depot]

Game feels more alive

[torn pond]

yeah.
personally i didn't mind how it felt before but yeah, the new features in it are generally nice (besides the leaf litter which i still feel is a bit too common)

[half depot]

One thing I found recently that would be cool in vanilla biomes is multicolored grass

[torn pond]

like what swamps have?

[half depot]

So basically, right now if you use a color map identifier for grass color, it blends between like 3 different colors of grass

It's really cool

although people complain my rp does it despite adding more life to the biome I used it in

[torn pond]

3:

tbh i didn't like spring to life that much at first, but VV improved it a lot for me.

[half depot]

Birch forests have literally nothing going for them, adding the multicolored grass to it made it feel more interesting idk

[torn pond]

the more detailed, alive world didn't look that good with the very simple lighting but with VV, it all flows together better.

[torn pond]

they have the yellow flowers now !

[half depot]

Old image but it just felt cooler imo

[torn pond]

hm. I think it's probably great for exploring, but might be annoying if you build in the biome and want a consistent grass colour?

especially since the color patches seem quite small

[half depot]

Still so bland tho. I do like the fallen trees that are around them now as well, (what was that added in 1.20)

[half depot]

It looks like it matches with the swamp one iirc. Which might be more of a bug atp

It doesn't look like an official feature

But I like it and maybe they can expand on it

[torn pond]

i think swamps have been like that for a long time

and are that way on java and bedrock, no?

[half depot]

Ye

[half depot]

I have no idea

[torn pond]

personally, my favorite updates are when they do something that just allows for a lot more creativity.
thats why i really liked the lead changes in chase the skies.

it's something that seems like a very small update, but allows you to actually do a decent amount.

[half depot]

Because the grass colors in both that and the swamp are the same so I'm almost certain this is a bug rn, but I beg, make it an option

[torn pond]

would be neat to have more connectors than just leads

[half depot]

Iike grass color gradient, you can determine a few colors, and the size of the patches

[half depot]

The lead changes are definitely nice

[torn pond]

it lets me make boat doors, bee parkour by having boats attached to bees, mega boats (boats attached to other boats attached to a central boat) and more :3

i wish we had more physics objects to mess around with (and that they improved the physics for the lead changes, because as it is, it still breaks as soon as you actually get in the boat directly)

more physics objects, more connectors, and you'd open up a lot more creativity.

more physics objects/connectors, block-built vehicles (ships) and light improvements (colored light, point lights, etc) are the 3 things that'd really allow players to get creative in a lot more ways.

and bring us a little bit closer to what you could do in LittleBigPlanet.

[eternal shoal]

why

[torn pond]

(i'd say LBP is the perfected version of "creativity focused games". There isn't a game that allows user creativity as well as that series did, and so, it should always be considered a source of inspiration for creativity-focused games. And most games in general since those games also did a lot of other things right)

[half depot]

Well a few reason,

1. Texture atlas if you're higher res artist
2. Lots of new textures to support but if you're doing vanilla it's alright
3. If you're doing custom textures

I'm lowkey just complaining tho

[eternal shoal]

first reason is why high res textures are not worth it on bedrock

[half depot]

But it shouldn't be an issue

I think we can all agree on that no?

It limits creators, especially marketplace ones

[eternal shoal]

it shouldn't but it is

that's why most high res packs sucks

there are texture artist in bedrock community that can do beautiful textures, but bedrock is not it for high res packs

[half depot]

I also wish bedrock had an equivalent of CTM

[eternal shoal]

what do you mean "especially marketplace ones"

are they more limited?

[half depot]

No but I'm sure there teams that wanted to do it and can't

Well maybe they are limited

Idk

There's a lot of strange can and cannot dos with the mp

[torn pond]

the marketplace is goofy.

they have some rules

but not enough rules to prevent 500+ among us skin packs

[tropic chasm]

They are not all among us

they are space explorers!

[torn pond]

and the weekly furniture and security add-ons. And all the outdated, broken packs that are there.

[tropic chasm]

The marketplace is very goofy yep

[torn pond]

yeah.
personally i wish they did a complete overhaul of how it all works. The idea of a marketplace can work, but as it is, idk what its goals are. You have the marketplace partner system which seems good on the surface, like it's a way to ensure the packs on it are high quality instead of just any random uploading stuff. But then most of the actual content on the marketplace is not what i'd call high quality, original content. Getting anything approved for it is apparently very slow and yet already broken things (not "broken in future updates", but "broken in current state") can still get approved

[tropic chasm]

I mean the marketplace has been there for years

[torn pond]

yeah.

but it's still bad in its current state.

[languid tinsel]

Well those get through because of safe harbor though

[tribal torrent]

[rough path]

What Joao said, I don't consider experimental nor preview as we have seen numerous times that they can be cancelled at any time.

[fossil walrus]

Alr

[latent wraith]

If anyone else is working on GDK launchers/version switchers, I'll share one thing I discovered while poking around today. I ended up downloading the GDK SDK to get wdapp.exe which allows you to register and sideload msixvc files. While you can't directly install the msixvc with wdapp.exe since the packages are signed, you can work around it and register it from a custom location like this:

• invoke Add-AppxPackage to install to the msixvc to the default C:\XboxGames folder
• copy the game files to a different folder and invoke the Invoke-CommandInDesktopPackage command to move the Minecraft.Windows.exe
• unregister and remove the files in C:\XboxGames with Remove-AppxPackage
• in the different folder with the files and executable, run wdapp register filePath (filePath is the folder where the Minecraft.Windows.exe is located)

After wdapp finishes, it will be registered (added to the start menu, file associations added, etc) and more importantly will not auto-update like it does with Add-AppxPackage since it is now sideloaded. Hopefully others find this helpful/insightful!

The GDK SDK was also much less bulky that I was anticipating, only a few hundred MB over the several GB I thought it might be.

[rough path]

Whats the difference really between just add appx and then invoke command to copy paste it then launching it from the other folder?

[latent wraith]

With this you can launch it from the start menu and it won't prompt you to auto-update on the older preview. It also will add the mcpack and mcworld associations (tho these previews are missing all the other ones atm). Other than that, not much is different. You can still do multi-instances too.

[rough path]

Yeah I've made bug reports for the file associations.

[limber tiger]

MC live teaser today

[zenith aspen]

banana tomorrow

[eternal shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/charles-leclerc-leclerc-charles-costume-banana-gif-19738823

[rich vault]

Aren't we supposed to have a release tomorrow?

[zenith aspen]

Ah

[charred geode]

It's most likely going to be in Saturday, java has just gotten it's first pre release

[zenith aspen]

[rough path]

No.

Until they announce a release date for the Copper Age.

[random karma]

release is likely after the Live

[charred geode]

or during?

[rough path]

Updates never release Saturday.

[random karma]

30th or 1st

following Tuesday or Wednesday

Pretty sure they did the same with releasing Spring to Life

[limber tiger]

If they said drop”s” just also to mention copper drop date that’s just bullshit

[random karma]

on the article they explicitly said "unannounced drops"

So we'll likely get vague themings for both + content reveal for the sooner one

[charred geode]

one thing for sure, it's differently not tomorrow, there is no physical barrier to releasing it in the day of live, i think it's a good opportunity for them to capitalize on the event and encourage new people to buy the game

[rough path]

The barrier is releasing updates on weekends is not a good idea.

[limber tiger]

So two drops or just one drop and release date

[charred geode]

it's not any weekend

[rough path]

It doesnt matter.

Releasing on weekends is never a good idea in software development.

[charred geode]

hmm, why is that?

[rough path]

Because if theres a massive issue it wont be looked at or addressed until Monday.

[heady sable]

If there is a security/crash/major issue it can't be adressed until Monday, and even then it takes time before it reaches the stores

[rough path]

Precisely.

[heady sable]

That's why Sunday releases are better, cause you only miss one day

[rough path]

And if Mojang values their employees, they wont make their engineers and QA and whoever else work on a weekend.

[rough path]

The humble Monday holiday.

[heady sable]

Holiday? What is that? I only know 24/7 workdays smh

[limber tiger]

they better announce two drops

[rough path]

See: Live Spring 2025

[limber tiger]

well fuck, it's not in plural here

[rough path]

Mind you they also called Tricky Trials a Drop.

[limber tiger]

what

1.21 was a drop?

where they said that

[charred geode]

wait what

[limber tiger]

yeah this is really dumb

[rough path]

Trying to search back again...however...the .net site is stupid.

[charred geode]

wasn't the garden awakens the first game drop?

[rough path]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NtXLTHNvrs&t=660s

[rough path]

No.

Bats and Pots were.

[limber tiger]

maybe it was in an article about a specific feature?

[torn pond]

it was in a snapshot one

i think

[charred geode]

what should we call 1.21 then?
The Dripping Update?

[torn pond]

I wonder when they'll go back to rtx.

[limber tiger]

ffs

i hope 1.22 is the famous end drop

[hoary forge]

The end update is soon???

[torn pond]

as like, next gen consoles will be capable of running it well, as will more people's PCs, so at some point most people will have hardware that can run it.

[charred geode]

what do you mean by 1.22?
I can't wait for 1.21.6281

[limber tiger]

BTW, a pre release is probably coming today

A few bugs have been fixed today

[charred geode]

they update the bug tracker before releasing?

[rough path]

Just watched wattles video on Java's new debug mode features...I cry in Bedrock now.

[limber tiger]

The panorama debug would be so useful for bedrock

[fossil walrus]

First time for every thing

[rough path]

Ok. 👍

[brittle ferry]

Is there any place to submit feedback for the developer tools?

Would be really nice if we had a way to inject components/loot table pools/trades/events into vanilla elements without having to override the whole json

[rough path]

Feedback discord.

How would that work though?

[fringe island]

It would be really interesting, this way it could even create compatibility if an add-on edits the same thing.

[rough path]

Its nearly impossible.

[fringe island]

But it would be interesting, somehow, just like custom biomes do when multiple additions replace the same biome.

[rough path]

Thats not the same thing.

[fringe island]

But it would be really cool, an addon adding, for example, a new item to the exchanges of a blacksmith villager, another also does the same thing, adds an item to exchange with the blacksmith villager and in the end there is a chance that both exchanges will be exchanged by the villager without one eliminating the other.

[rough path]

Yes it would be cool but it is nearly impossible.

[fringe island]

Well, I don't know, I honestly don't have the moral authority to say, but dreaming isn't enough.

[rough path]

Moral authority?

[fringe island]

But something we need for yesterday is molang for item tags, so they can exchange food or mob breeding items for tags, just like what happens in Java.

[fringe island]

Yes, I have no knowledge about it, so my words are not words to be taken seriously.

[fringe island]

In Java, mob food item tags were added in 1.20.5

[brittle ferry]

Wouldn't be impossible for Mojang to implement

(It is impossible for addon creators now though)

For loot tables, there would just need to be a way to tag a loot table as an addition (something like "is addition" in the description)

Then all the pools get added to the existing ones instead of overriding the whole table

Pools could have uuids so add-ons can intentionally replace pools if they want to

[fringe island]

It would also be nice to have a way to add vanilla blocks and items to custom tags like Java.

[rough path]

Ok, and when people want to remove items what then?

If people modify the entire thing what then?

It is nearly impossible to override vanilla and allow easy compatibility since creators can modify a shit ton of that vanilla file.

[brittle ferry]

I mean it causes issues if they overwrite the whole thing

They would have the option to overwrite as they currently can

I'll write up something more comprehensive to post in the feedback page

[brittle ferry]

To remove from pool would use the UUID to overwrite the pool

[rough path]

Say two add-ons modify the same loot table and the same exact object, A wants to remove a potato trade and B wants to increase it. This will still cause collision.

[brittle ferry]

In that case, the addon install order would decide which trade gets used

A much more common instance would be

Addon A wants to add a magic staff trade to the wandering trader

Addon B wants to add a magic potato trade to the wandering trader

Addon C wants to add a desert eagle trade to the wandering trader

Other cases:

I want to add an event and component group to pillagers so I can put persistent pillagers in my structure

I want to modify the movement speed of a spider and nothing else

[charred geode]

Yeah perfect compatibility is impossible in the software world, you can't physically modify the same thing in two different ways and expect it to work, the idea he is proposing, is to give creators the ability to partially edit vanilla files, like with JSONUI you can replace specific elements of a ui, (or even modify them if you use modifications without affecting the other elements of that UI which might be modded by other creators or updated by Mojang.

The similar system is very possible to implement for bp entity files (in fact it's already in place for rp entity files) where you can replace a specific component, component group or an event, or even add and remove them while still giving others the ability to modify other parts of the same entity and not having to maintain the whole entity file whenever Mojang updates them

[rough path]

RP still overrides it which is the case 99% of the time. I have only ever seen for deocrated pot.

[prisma steeple]

give me the modifications field for client entity/attachable files
just merging objects isn't enough

[prisma steeple]

client entity and attachables merge all objects when min_engine_version matches

the thing that never merges is any arrays

[rough path]

I am aware.

Like I said.

I have only ever seen it used for decorated pots in addons on mcpedl when I last browsed.

[prisma steeple]

could be because it's not widely known about ¯_(ツ)_/¯

it's not very clearly documented

[charred geode]

An example of that whould be changing the loot table of the husk from entities/zombie.json to entities/husk.json

you just modify the loot table component

[rough path]

It just sounds like a terrible structure.

[charred geode]

sometimes it can't even go wrong, if the only thing you want to do with an entity file is add an event, it would be perfectly compatible with all other addons

[prisma steeple]

BoB is using it for their vanilla client entity files

[charred geode]

compared to the current structure where adding a single event to an entity will break every other addon that modifies the same entity file

[rough path]

Erm, BoB is a marketplace and dynamic world.

[prisma steeple]

and yet it's still using it

the merging behavior, that is

because of that, it's compatible with packs like A&S

and it's still free to use as an add-on through third party sites anyway

[rough path]

I just think the structure people are suggesting just...arent that good.

[prisma steeple]

I mean, there's no perfect way to handle this, but imo something is better than nothing

[charred geode]

again, if your goal is perfect compatibility then find a realistic goal

[prisma steeple]

like this wouldn't have been possible without any merging behavior

[rough path]

Not necessarily.

Jigsaws pain

[prisma steeple]

I haven't dealt with jigsaws yet 😔

[rough path]

There is realistic and convenient.

[rough path]

It exists.

Thays better than nothing so long you can deal with headaches.

Or attachables.

[prisma steeple]

I've had my fair share of headaches from attachables, but I'm glad they exist

it would be hell if we still had to use a render controller on every entity just for 3d items

[rough path]

Sure theyre better than nothing, but its still ass and should have been approached differently.

Thats not something that we should go through ever again.

[prisma steeple]

tbf, it does the job it was meant to do

if they just fixed some of the buggy-ness, I think it would be a great system

the fact that bone names affect animation and rendering in some weird way is insane

[rough path]

Back then. Short quick dirty.

And now what happened? Headaches lol. If Bedrock wants to continue to develop healthier, there needs to be a good design approach and not "it exists"

Yo shoutout runtime ids.

[prisma steeple]

fair enough, but what could be a good design approach for compatibility stuff like this? There will always be conflicts and there's no way that could ever be fixed

[charred geode]

i don't know about attachables (i have no idea what kind of headaches you are referring to) but in JSON UI granted it's still hell, but the fact we can partially modify UIs has no extra headaches, so why not bring it to bp entity files?

[rough path]

Idk, but what Ive heard so far from people in feedback discord and here arent that great.

[prisma steeple]

adding modifications-esque stuff to bp entities sounds like a huge pain

there's so much that could go wrong with that

[rough path]

Json UI being hell and theyre switching to oreui.

[charred geode]

i am not talking about modifications specifically, but the fact you can pickup a specific element like the scoreboard and modify it.

[prisma steeple]

all I wish for is some way to merge arrays in client entity and attachable files, but I recognize that is a complicated thing and has its own issues

[charred geode]

without affecting other addons that modify the reminder of the hud screen

[rough path]

That sounds like hell haha.

[prisma steeple]

for other files (especially behavior), I feel like any sort of merging would have a lot of side-effects

[rough path]

Deprecate arrays instead.

[prisma steeple]

😨

but then, how will we consistently order render controllers 😨

[rough path]

Objects.

Key value

Like God intended.

[prisma steeple]

incoming

"render_controllers": {
  "controller.some.thing": {
    "priority": 0,
    "condition": "q.is_on_ground"
  },
  "controller.other.thing": {
    "priority": 1,
    "condition": "!q.is_on_ground"
  }
}

[charred geode]

for example, this would be an addon to modify the husk loot table

[rough path]

Let him cook.

[prisma steeple]

how would you handle removing components?

[charred geode]

for adding components it's easy, for removing them however, you need to use modifications

[prisma steeple]

you can definitely do a super explicit system like this, but what happens when multiple add-ons that modify that file are used? won't the file just end up mangled?

especially when you deal with component groups that add the same components

[charred geode]

something like this

[prisma steeple]

you can't just do that pack stack thing because it's not as straight forward for this sorta thing

[rough path]

Ah, the hust entity not the loot table itself.

[charred geode]

oh sorry, i mean an addon that modifies the husk loot component

[prisma steeple]

this system would still be better than nothing, but it will 100% cause mangling if used more widely

which ig, mangling may be worse than nothing

[charred geode]

every system will

you can't have 100% compatibility

[prisma steeple]

not unless they give us a way to explicitly add conditional compatibility patches

[charred geode]

say an addon removes the loot table and another modifies it, which system would prevent those two addons from interfearing

[prisma steeple]

a system in which the creator is allowed to conditionally enable a patch based on what add-ons are loaded

so one pack would just not apply its changes if it recognizes that things will break

obviously this means the pack needs to know its incompatible though

I don't think there's any way to have a magic solution, but if a system like this was to be added, it should be added in combination with a way to conditionally enable patches

[charred geode]

you still will have it either remove or modify the loot table component.

[rough path]

Pack optimisation field in manifest moment.

[charred geode]

or i guess, modify it then remove it? depending on the order of your addons.

[prisma steeple]

is this some imaginary field?

[rough path]

#1412827953188049067 message

[prisma steeple]

wth, I read the messages around this and missed that one entirely 😭

what definition is that referencing?

the alpha/beta one?

[rough path]

I frogor.

[prisma steeple]

actually no, ig that's for the script modules

[rough path]

I thought so...but...we never use alpha.

[prisma steeple]

but it exists

[rough path]

I would also assume stable then.

[prisma steeple]

well for stable, u'd just pick a version

u'd want things to be stable on stable

[charred geode]

for the simple purpose of adding a property or an event, or modifying/removing a component, this system works great, if your addon completely overhauls an entity, just let the pack maker know it's not compatible with addons that modify that entity.

[rough path]

That sounds like...the same thing now but you write less.

[charred geode]

?

same as what?

[rough path]

The current system.

[charred geode]

yeah, I which that's all i have to write for an addon that gives husks a unique loot tables

imagine how many files do i have to maintain just because this system isn't i already in place

[prisma steeple]

chaos option: just pass all definition files through scripting before loading so they can be modified there

[rough path]

.

[prisma steeple]

with no filters, so if you have a ton of definition files, scripting is forced to process all of them

[charred geode]

so, should we write more to make addons compatible?

[rough path]

Thats not what youre suggesting at all.

Youre just suggesting writing less for the same issue.

[charred geode]

sorry, you got me even more confused

[prisma steeple]

yasser's just proposing a way to make simple changes possible, but that doesn't scale well for complex things

[charred geode]

all am saying is bringing this feature from jsonui to bp entities https://wiki.bedrock.dev/json-ui/best-practices#maximizing-compatibility-and-minimizing-the-likelihood-of-the-ui-breaking

[rough path]

Idk when we pivoted to tbis topic.

[prisma steeple]

here ig

that's where I'm getting that from

[rough path]

I thought we were still talking about compatibility not making it like blocks.json or client entoty merging.

[rough path]

Json ui is terrible.

[prisma steeple]

it sorta is about compatibility ig

[rough path]

Ehhh

Fine sure. To enterian that thought.

[charred geode]

aren't we talking about compatibility??? this is perfectly on topic from what i believe the topic is

[charred geode]

yeah

[prisma steeple]

it's only about compatibility because the current system requires you to copy the whole file, this would allow a simple change to not need to do that

which, yeah, it's better, but it's not ideal to only have this

I'm still of the opinion that if we get something like this, we should be able to make it work for more complex situations

[rough path]

Precisely. Everything Ive heard just seems like one offs quick dirty.

[charred geode]

exactly my point, why rewrite the whole file and prevent others from modifying the same file when all you need is a simple change? and by the way it's always simple changes that are needed.

[prisma steeple]

the only way I see that being possible and powerfully is to have conditional patches

how those conditional patches would work, idk ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[rough path]

What?

Your system still faces the same issue

[charred geode]

...

[prisma steeple]

it doesn't really face an issue if the only goal is to modify a loot table

[charred geode]

of not being compatible?

[rough path]

Sure yes. Once again, one offs quick dirty.

[prisma steeple]

yeah, that's their point though, it's good for a simple change, not complex changes

[rough path]

We should define entities via the loot table file actually.

[prisma steeple]

😨

[rough path]

Which goes back to my point

We're going in circles

[charred geode]

complex changes are usually done by scripting or custom entities

[prisma steeple]

not possible for AI

[rough path]

No.

[prisma steeple]

scripting also isn't performant for a lot of stuff

[rough path]

Pathfinding class when.

[prisma steeple]

I tend to fallback to json-based stuff when I can

[rough path]

Bhevaiour class when.

[prisma steeple]

BP anim controllers my beloved

[rough path]

Horror.

[prisma steeple]

performant state machines

I'm not making a whole script to do some logic I can accomplish with a BP controller

hooking scripts to entities is a pain

[rough path]

BP AC that calls scriptevent >:)

[prisma steeple]

😨

although I have done that

[rough path]

same

[charred geode]

just so we are on the same page? is this file from my addon considered to be complex?
the parts that was modded are placed under // skybedrock modified

[prisma steeple]

I'd say so, yes

if this was to be changed to be in a compatibility format, those component groups and such would need to be namespaced

the main reason I'd say it's complex is because you have an interact component

if another add-on needs an interact component, one will take priority

[charred geode]

as you can see, all i did was adding component groupes and events and modified the interaction component of the adult axolotl component group, and the rest of the logic is handled by scripts

[charred geode]

you are right about that, i didn't bother using namespaces because i know it can't be compatible with other addons that modify the axolotl anyway

[charred geode]

even then i could have also used scripts instead of the interact component but I wanted the interact button to appear for mobile players

[prisma steeple]

doing it through script has its own problems

you have the possibility of triggering multiple interactions, and as you said, no mobile or console hints

the multiple interactions is because of other add-ons potentially having the same activation conditions as you

[charred geode]

this can't be prevented no matter what system you use

[prisma steeple]

it can with add-on specific patches

[charred geode]

it's not a flaw specific to the system i am proposing

[prisma steeple]

to me, it's a big enough flaw to consider this not really solveable without a more complex solution

[rough path]

Mojang should create a system that just lets the user manually merge and choose.

[prisma steeple]

with git diffs included plz

[rough path]

Let them learn how to resolve merge conflicts

[prisma steeple]

teach them young

we must resolve merge conflicts before age 13

[charred geode]

simple is always better, even java mods deal with the same flaw, it's up to modpack developers to handle compatibility issues

[rough path]

Yeah that's modpack developers handling it not individual mods.

[prisma steeple]

that's why I'm saying we need a way for provide that capability for those modpack devs

[rough path]

Cue Editor Mode

[prisma steeple]

also there are mods with patches built-in for other mods

like any of the graphics mods

[rough path]

A patch for a patch.

[prisma steeple]

patch stack

[charred geode]

this is what you are proposing here.

[prisma steeple]

yeah, to be clear, I'm not against your system, I'm just saying it needs to come alongside a conditional patch system of some kind

otherwise it's not powerful enough imo

[charred geode]

i think addon developers should focus on add-on developing rather than patching every patch for every patch there is

[prisma steeple]

well obviously, but that's not realistic

there will be cases where patches should be made

[random karma]

GIVE US MIXINS

[prisma steeple]

real

json mixins NOW

[random karma]

plus an is_pack_uuid_present('<uuid>') query and a scrimp API call to fetch pack UUIDs

[charred geode]

it could be a secondary patch option on top of the system i am proposing, i don't see how is it "one offs quick dirty" by "typing less" when that's all you need to solve most compatibility issues

[charred geode]

and don't forget an entity filter

[rough path]

Yes, it's called add-ons because you add things on not modify existing things.

[charred geode]

How about this idea, why not remove vanilla entities from the entities folder entirely and make it so we can modify them with scripts in this fashion:

system.beforeEvents.startup.subscribe(({ EntityRegistery }) => {
  EntityRegistery.modify('minecraft:husk',(data) => {
    data.["minecraft:entity"].components["minecraft:loot"].table = "loot_tables/entities/husk.json"
  })
})

[charred geode]

this will allow simple one-off changes as well as complex logic systems without any extra complexities

Did i hit a one million dollars idea?

[prisma steeple]

I was suggesting something like this as a joke 😔

who knows, maybe that could actually work, but that sorta API just feels off for some reason

[rough path]

Rewrite entities using TS classes

Slowly become Java.

[prisma steeple]

plz no

the overhead from that alone would kill me

[rough path]

That was the plan.

[charred geode]

i am not even joking this is ideal for modifying entities, and with the power of js, you can patch as many patches of other patches as you want

You can still add your custom entities to the entities folder and even have them modified by other addons placed on top

[random karma]

No offense but I am not really jamming with this concept

To the point where I would probably do some really bad things if this became a necessary

Bad things like registering blocks with 10,000 permutations

[tropic chasm]

Entities being closer and closer to scripting would make them closer to their whole potential

I remember the awful old times I had when dealing with the move to block component…

Little guys remembered their purpose in life every 10 minutes

[charred geode]

here are some more concepts ```js
EntityRegistery.addCustomEntity(entity_id:string, format_version:string, data:object) // adds a custom entity to the registery
EntityRegistery.removeCustomEntity(entity_id:string) // if you want to replace an entity from a differnt addon with yours
EntityRegistery.modify(entity_id:string, modifications:callback) //loads the json file, of the entites as a json object which can be modified, then saves it
EntityRegistery.listRegisteredEntities() // returns a list of the registered entity ids

[charred geode]

@brittle ferry how about this idea?

[sleek grail]

Lovecraftian horror fails in comparison to this

[fossil walrus]

No no no no no no no no no

[raw arch]

please be a good preview tomorrow 🙏

[zenith aspen]

[marble karma]

It's gonna be 1.5 bug fixes

[brittle ferry]

here's how I think merging JSON would work

This example pillager.json updates the pillager to have an attack range of 50, 500 health, and adds a new component group and event to add persistence

The rest of the pillager components/events/etc do not need to be included, since this is getting merged:

{
  "format_version": "1.21.50",
  "merge_function": "merge", // options are overwrite (default) or append. Overwrite will replace the whole JSON. Merge will merge this json onto the next installed json, all the way down to vanilla.
  "minecraft:entity": {
    "description": {
      "identifier": "minecraft:pillager", // description and identifier are still required
    },

    "component_groups": {
      "cocoa:persistent": { // this is a new component group that is getting added
        "minecraft:persistent": {}
      },
      "minecraft:ranged_attack": { // this modifies the existing "minecraft:ranged_attack" component group
        "minecraft:behavior.ranged_attack": { // the minecraft:behavior.ranged_attack in the vanilla component group gets replaced with this
          "priority": 4,
          "attack_interval_min": 1.0,
          "attack_interval_max": 1.0,
          "attack_radius": 50.0 // updates attack range to 50
        },
        "minecraft:damage_sensor": { // this damage_sensor wasn't in the vanilla component, so it gets added
          "triggers": []
        },
        // there's "minecraft:shooter" and "minecraft:environment_sensor" in the vanilla component group that remain unchanged
      },
      

    "components": {
      // the health component is overridden, but other components remain unchanged
      "minecraft:health": {
        "value": 500,
        "max": 500
      },
      
    "events": {
      // all vanilla pillager events are still here
      "cocoa:spawn_persistent": { // new event is added and available to use
        "add": {
          "component_groups": ["cocoa:persistent"]
        }
      }
    }
  }
}

[torn pond]

i wish they brought back the legacy console Loom/banner crafting UI

where you could actually revert any step of the process until you took the banner out of it

without losing anything (so, you apply 5 patterns, realize it doesn't look as good as you thought, so you revert them and try something else)

(as right now, you need cauldrons to revert banner changes, and you lose the dyes you used)

[zenith aspen]

[limber tiger]

MC live tease today

[torn pond]

I wonder if we'll get a bedrock server event.

we got one for the Pale Garden drop. Probably won't have one for Live, sadly, but maybe for copper age or for the next drop they might do something?

[elfin flower]

i don't think we have a ghastlings update drop as bedrock event though.

The only thing we have during that is, well. a testing server that gets you a flag on top of your head.

that lasts for 48 hours and is really limited so not everyone can join.

[rough path]

This might be worse.

I just don't like it.

It really doesn't solve any of the issues we discussed yesterday at least.

[torn pond]

Yeah, but that was a very tiny drop. It added 2 real features (besides VV), the happy ghasts (and everything needed for them to work), and the new lead mechanics

spring to life also wouldn't have worked that much as a server event, given that they already use custom resource packs and custom blocks for these events anyway.

i think copper age could work a little better. You have shelves, you have copper golems, a lot of new blocks. This is the closest in size to the pale garden drop.

unless the winter drop is big.

[elfin flower]

I doubt golem update is gonna get a bedrock event either tbh

[torn pond]

i doubt it, but it would be nice. I liked the server events :<

a shame they stopped doing them for every Minecraft Live.

just wish they released the maps for them afterwards so we could play them after they're over

[elfin flower]

both of ghastlings and golem update feels the same in term of update stuff, equally loved too.

though the pale garden drop. honestly it kinda smaller than i expected ngl. it's just a new biome, a mob that annoys you when not looking around and new wood type.

[torn pond]

i'm surprised they didn't do an event just focused around VV.

[rough path]

But why?

[torn pond]

I mean, it's a big new thing they may want to promote more, and it'd just be fun?
you could also ask "why did they do an event around the Pale Garden drop", when that was a much less significant change for the game than VV.

[elfin flower]

i mean, honestly it's no surprise but yeah. this thing isn't quite ready for normal creators yet at the same time this thing will turn your phone into an oven.

[torn pond]

I wonder what their plans for future VV updates are.

after static_light

assuming that's vanilla VV

[elfin flower]

not to mention that we can't use VV on featured servers (to some extent, third-party servers) yet.

except that one featured pay to win server for some reason

[rich vault]

What's the current state of version switchers and launchers? Still cooked without any hope on the horizon?

[rough path]

No.

[torn pond]

except the Mojang capture the flag server

[rough path]

Idk who else is working on them, but we have the basics covered/solved. It's just a matter of "How" now.

[rich vault]

That's good to hear

[elfin flower]

any servers that does not contain certain "stuff", yeah you can use it just fine.

[rough path]

The only one that's "ehhh" is just downloading older versions as we do not know right now if those links will expire.

[spring veldt]

They will expire September 31st.
-# ||Ignore the fact that date does not exist.||

[cloud moon]

Not meant to

It’s just very broken if you do

[zenith aspen]

banana day

[limber tiger]

today we should see a teaser for the upcoming drop

[fringe island]

And banana

[zenith aspen]

teaser today?

[white fractal]

must increase the "settings" button priority in pause screen

[limber tiger]

Yes

[zenith aspen]

[rough path]

Vro what is this.

[zenith aspen]

doggyparty lmao

[rough path]

😭 Vro not gonna share where its from. Looks so cute.

[zenith aspen]

it's from my server
I added some fun emojis today lol smash

[charred ocean]

I demand the hell out of you to send me these emojis

in my DM ofcourse :3

[zenith aspen]

[prisma niche]

Is it that day of the week again?

[undone crane]

apprently

[celest sluice]

Prerelease 4 out https://www.minecraft.net/en-us/article/minecraft-1-21-9-pre-release-4

[zenith aspen]

oh

[torn pond]

Ocean update confirmed!
wait that's Reforj.

i wish Minecraft had things like this where they ask the community about suggestions for specific features, and people can discuss them.

[quasi wedge]

Like a feedback site? 😲

Idk how many ideas from there have ever made it into the game, but the majority of suggested ideas are terrible

[limber tiger]

preview confirmed for today or no?

[zenith aspen]

[undone crane]

https://feedback.minecraft.net/hc/en-us/articles/39792573984013-Minecraft-Beta-Preview-1-21-120-23 new preview or smth

does this mean what i think it does right

[tropic trout]

Happy preview day!

[rough path]

Yes.

[lethal idol]

He is alive

[undone crane]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gif-25169380

[lethal idol]

Holy black sky fix on android for vv

[fossil walrus]

JIGSAWS OUT OF EXPERIMENT

[torn pond]

I feel like they're handled in very different ways. The feedback usually affects small changes in a noticable way, but have we seen a "this mob was suggested by the community, and we liked the idea so we added it" in recent years?

devs also don't seem to really interact with community suggestions directly most of the time on the feedback site or discord.

[quiet rock]

so is the new ore ui gonna be easier to work with

cus JSON UI was cancer

[hasty grotto]

hopefully

[willow harness]

rip

[edgy abyss]

Gotta love the inconsistencies

[cerulean quarry]

mojang should check this lol
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/gaming/gdk/docs/gdk-dev/console-dev/usingwithoutinstall/project-configuration-withoutinstall

i mean isntalling GDK still requirest admin rights and thats pretty annoing, and unusable in stable production

[eternal shoal]

legend is back

[sharp wharf]

Hey brothers

[brittle ferry]

Where?

[latent vault]

i wonder when theyll make inventory clientsided

[cerulean quarry]

It was clientside but got patched since it was used in horion for getting anytimes without perms

[latent vault]

without... perms?

[cerulean quarry]

Yea

[latent vault]

wait

can you elaborate

[cerulean quarry]

Clientside inventory is expliot not feature

[latent vault]

i mean inventory is managed on clientside in java edition

while bedrock doesnt do that so theres a significant delay for opening inventory

sometimes in singleplayer too

i kinda dont understand the exploit part, why is it an exploit at the first place?

[simple steppe]

in simplified term your client can just say, i have this item
and the server will accept that

[zealous salmon]

yeah this was only somewhat "recent", maybe a year or two ago they changed it

but i doubt they'll go back

[latent vault]

i see

[zealous salmon]

well that's not exactly got anything to do with opening the inventory

the server could still add verifications to transactions to prevent clients spawning in items when the client opened the inventory itself

but being server controlled just gives the server more flexibility & control in knowing when it's open etc

[latent vault]

if delay in opening inventory is not related with inventory being serversided...

[zealous salmon]

no it is

[latent vault]

wait that doesnt seem right

[simple steppe]

more inventory events in script api i hope

[zealous salmon]

the whole inventory system on the network level is a bit of a mess tbh

it's half using an old system and half using a new system that was abandoned before it got finished

[latent vault]

couldnt they at least keep "opening inventory ui" part clientsided?

its counterintuitive (and probably looks horrible in the code too)

[zealous salmon]

i don't fully agree but i know it can be painful when you have high latency

[latent vault]

i mean there are probably better ways to prevent the exploit

[latent vault]

but well

[simple steppe]

there is no point if you are getting the items delayed

[latent vault]

but you could still tell the server "i want to move this item to there" in advance

instead of waiting for the inventory to respond

[simple steppe]

eh, not sure
i mean your client need to know what items are there, so we are just going back to client side

[limber tiger]

Pre 5 today

[muted widget]

when will we get air tag

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-tearing-apart-angry-mad-frustrated-gif-19000701

actually, that new minecraft:tag_name thingy could be a perfect opportunity

[rough path]

What thingy?

[charred geode]

(wrong channel)

[muted widget]

the component

[rough path]

What does that have to do with anything?

[muted widget]

well isn't it for tags?

[rough path]

We already have tags.

[muted widget]

for listing tags on blocks not like how we do it right now, but like on items

[rough path]

I fail to see the relation.

[muted widget]

they change the way we add tags for blocks, so if they are doing something to blocks tags, could aswell add air tag

because why not

[rough path]

I fail to see the relation.

And they haven't changed it officially.

[muted widget]

this

[rough path]

Again, why does that indicate air tag, at all.

[muted widget]

i didn't say it INDICATES for that

i said it could be a great opportunity

[rough path]

I still dont see the relation but sure.

[muted widget]

because i'll say it again, they are touching block tags

[rough path]

I hate thie change regardless.

[muted widget]

agree

[fringe island]

I'm curious, it says that valid tags need to have a namespace, but almost all vanilla block tags don't have a namespace, will it identify on its own that the namespace is minecraft?

[hoary forge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_dOC8Os7Qs

[zealous salmon]

casually playing java with a controller

[charred ocean]

java on controller?!?

PFFT!!

[latent vault]

his control on camera is insane for a controller but hes horrible at parkour

[sterile knot]

you guys know you can connect a controller to a computer rn, right?

or does that not work on java

[simple steppe]

need third party software iirc, or was it xbox controllers only

[sterile knot]

i connected a nintendo controller to my PC one time, and that worked, but i guess that might not work in java? idk

[tropic chasm]

For Java you need a third party software

For bedrock you don't

[hoary forge]

Controlify is the most popular mod for Java

[fringe island]

Some vanilla blocks also do not load into the structure block

[heady sable]

They do load, just not render properly (aka any tile entity)

[plush wedge]

Good job, you found https://mojira.dev/MCPE-172685

[fringe island]

But cobwebs are not tile entities

and the item frame is loading, shelfs too, only the item inside the shelf that does not render

[limber tiger]

i feel like this next drop isn't going to be huge

no teasers, nada

probably means that they can't show enough stuff

so they reveal basically everything

[rough path]

Would love if Jigsaws had a "Guranteed once to generate" piece aside the start piece.

[fossil walrus]

Would be nice but I can think of some problems with them

[rough path]

Enlighten me.

[fossil walrus]

How would it be a be to facilitate that, the start piece could place but what is stopping the first tunnel for example placing a turn right back into its self terminating the chain and failing to spawn it

The piece could also be attempted to spawn in a place it couldn’t and a structure could be at max_depth and failed to generate

[rough path]

That's not a problem with "Guranteed once to generate", that's just problems with jigsaws and weights.

[fossil walrus]

How would the game determine to place that piece? At level 1 or level 20. What’s stopping that piece from generating at level 20 and failing to place any sub structures? What happens if that piece is processed for generation at the edge of the dimension padding and can’t be placed

Mind you I’m making this from the perspective of a stronghold like structure

[rough path]

I'm talking about placing a piece just once out of a pool and if chosen again reroll.

[fossil walrus]

The final boss of all problems with this is the fact that Mojang won’t add it unless they have a use for it themselves

Which I can’t see happening for a while

[rough path]

That's just not true but ok.

[fossil walrus]

It happened with input_air_controlled, I garrentee that it was wanted before it was added but it was only added because Mojang needed it for happy ghasts

[rough path]

Ok and? See blocks, items, scripting.

These are all things they already have and exposing to us + new capabilities. I fail to see this argument.

[fossil walrus]

The same thing happened with replace_biomes, it wasn’t added until pale gardens needed them

[rough path]

What.

Are you talking about.

[random karma]

💀

I'm sorry man, but this just is not right.

Where are you getting this information?

[fossil walrus]

They are adding what exists in Java to jigsaws and even then I can’t see some of the java jigsaws being added to bedrock like legacy_single_pool_element due to it being redundant

They very likely aren’t going to add what you spoke of unless they have a reason for it themselves

[rough path]

Hear me out...technical parity is never the goal. Bedrock has more uses and more creators. Why do we need to wait for Java?

[fossil walrus]

That’s what I’ve seen happen enough to believe it will happen again

[fossil walrus]

Everything in bedrock jigsaws matches what they are in Java jigsaws asides from the names of the some fields (eg size and max_depth) and the format version. The jigsaws systems are nearly identical and they are very new to bedrock

[rough path]

Yeah you're just not listening to me.

[fossil walrus]

They aren’t going to add something to jigsaws unless they have a use for it themselves. I’m not talking further

[rough path]

You're just wrong but ok.

Jigsaws arent even in parity with Java right now but go off king.

[simple steppe]

If party worked like that they would have made the latest npc thing and the dialogue thing in java like bedrock

[rough path]

Exactly.

Why would they do replace_biomes when Java has a custom biome system.

You can port a system initially but iterate upon it further based on Creator Feedback.

[simple steppe]

Devs asked for feedback and suggestions regarding jigsaw here for a reason

[hasty grotto]

http://pocketbeta.minecraft.net/ abandoned

[half depot]

What time is mc live

[half depot]

In an hour then got it

[rough path]

We have https://discord.com/channels/523663022053392405/1415417590481813646

[fringe island]

I hope we get some functionality to create a custom spear.

[rough path]

The only new item that was data driven was bundle so...I doubt it.

[fringe island]

Well, it's not enough to dream, it would be great to be able to do that.

[quasi wedge]

If we aren't going to be given the components for something that is a standard weapon being able to be crafted from all ores then it's going to suck

especially for any add-on creators trying to maintain continuity

I'm going to have half the tiers just... not have spears? I'd rather just remove them from the game at that point

[hardy pollen]

Guys, the new spear seems like a literal mod, I am not believing it until camman makes smth about it

[oak sinew]

Minecraft players when an update adds something new:

[torn pond]

the only real issue i have is that the nautilus might make other features meant for surviving longer underwater kind of useless.

infinite water breathing shouldn't be a thing (besides conduits, which cover a very limited area).

if they change that to be "the nautilus lets you survive longer underwater" (similar to respiration enchant), then it's an overall great drop. (well, depending on how well the spear actually works when using it)

[tiny creek]

So with the new update will the biomes be released?

[rough path]

Yes.

[rich vault]

Does the game crash for anyone else when removing the last resource pack in the list from the world?

[willow harness]

Stable or beta

[rich vault]

GDK Preview

[sleek grail]

It's mace but horizontal

[muted widget]

literally my first thought when i saw it

[marble karma]

Is there any hope for a storage block component on the horizon

Or item/map display component

[fringe island]

Block-entity

and yes they will be added in the future, I just don't know when

[sleek grail]

Eventually

[willow harness]

I wanna know if anyone has reported this bug, if not then I'll report it

[quasi wedge]

is our copper age update going to be in 1.21.110?

or is this version getting skipped

[heady sable]

1.21.110 will be Copper Age, because 1.21.120 isn't finalized yet (1.21.110 is)

[quasi wedge]

is that confirmed anywhere that we're getting it on 1.21.110 and not 1.21.100?

[white blade]

We already have 1.21.100 tho?

And it’s still experimental in that version

[torn pond]

yeah bedrock is on 1.21.101

[quasi wedge]

oh

[torn pond]

i mean, Mojang MIGHT choose to be silly

and just say "you know what, 1.21.100 again" or "1.21.102, we decided this drop is a hotfix"

[fringe island]

https://x.com/Minecraft/status/1972703199430844863?t=Qa3yz5aChj-w5PxKKMToLA&s=19

Minecraft (@Minecraft)

Get ready for The Copper Age!

X · Sep 29, 2025, 4:41 PM

[heady sable]

It wouldn't be a hotfix because that undermines the definition of a hotfix LOL

[devout barn]

1.21.93...

[ionic ocean]

I am very excited about tomorrow.

[rough path]

Why.

[ionic ocean]

Wall of text coming tomorrow

[rough path]

Yeah, mods, start a revolution and overthrow him.

[fossil walrus]

No preview tomorrow because of the update I suspect

[fringe island]

Preview wednesday

[fossil walrus]

Peak

[zenith aspen]

[willow sequoia]

I hope Ea-Nasir doesn't show up and spoil the release

[rich vault]

Preview delayed by 1 day 😔

[willow harness]

cuz it's orange day

[rough path]

1 day and 1 hour.

[willow harness]

fire

[charred geode]

release day?

the changelog for this update is quite a mouthful

[tribal torrent]

preview day not today

release day today

[rough path]

https://tenor.com/view/update-is-today-update-is-tomorrow-gif-963627539824806485

[tribal torrent]

[fringe island]

Will we have them stable tomorrow? That would be nice.

[muted widget]

when will this be fixed...

[fringe island]

It would be great if soon

[white marsh]

👀

[random karma]

WHERE ARE MY PATCH NOTES

@languid tinsel press the button or we are pelting you with copper nuggets

[languid tinsel]

I LOST THE BUTTON

[willow harness]

naurrrr

[languid tinsel]

@stoic orchid Please tell me you know where the button is...

[willow harness]

find the button quick

please

[rough path]

Kayla is 2nd for today.

[white marsh]

Can't wait for it

So excited

[dawn fable]

They're experimental in 1.21.110

[languid tinsel]

The release button has been moved to experimental under the experimental release pipeline toggle.

[fringe island]

Yea, that's why I would like it stable at 1.21.120

[latent vault]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLuJbSjo7NA

i like the animation

[zenith aspen]

awww cute

[quasi wedge]

damn another creator remix, but this ones a halloween swing mix lol

[white fractal]

my average ore ui experience:

[white marsh]

lovely

[dusty shale]

looking good

[fossil walrus]

lol

[rotund rain]

This bug report page was mentioned in the changelog today but it isn't loading for me. Is it for anyone?
https://bugs.mojang.com/browse/MCPE/issues/MCPE-190430

It's this

[rough path]

https://mojira.dev/MCPE-190430

[rotund rain]

Thanks!!!

[tribal torrent]

preview day today?

:doggysmurkW:

[willow harness]

maybe

[zenith aspen]

[zenith aspen]

banana day

[undone crane]

Preview hour is 3 hours?

[zenith aspen]

[random karma]

according to the normal release schedule, yes

if not, next tuesday

[limber tiger]

do you think we will get the game drop in today's preview?

[limber tiger]

apparently no

[undone crane]

previews can also release on thursday yk

[random karma]

They can but it's extremely unlikely

according to a data I've skimmed over, only 2 previews have released on a Thursday

[fringe island]

[zenith aspen]

b a na n a 💖

[foggy isle]

Banana!!!!

[tribal torrent]

that sounds ridiculous?

when previews were wednesday, it felt like they went into thursday at least 25% of the time

[latent vault]

banana is now

[celest sluice]

Banana today(?)

[zenith aspen]

[torn pond]

:<

no preview ?

[quasi wedge]

Maybe you wait until the time preview normally comes out?

[zenith aspen]

in 15min

[prisma niche]

Is it that day of the week?

Should I be expecting RTX fixes/changes this week?

[zenith aspen]

still silence

[torn pond]

https://tenor.com/view/aurora-borealis-steamed-hams-the-simpsons-simpsons-super-intendent-chalmers-gif-26950836

[half depot]

https://tenor.com/view/nope-no-never-nah-naw-gif-1191255073758669162

[prisma niche]

[zenith aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/dream-come-true-akkaraj-hip-hop-my-house-s1e1-dream-turned-into-reality-gif-25881985

[half depot]

Yea
"Removed raytracing because too buggy lel*

[zenith aspen]

no changelogs

[torn pond]

we will not get to have a happy preview day.

[limber tiger]

That’s strange

[zenith aspen]

[prisma niche]

[undone crane]

update out but not chnagelog heh

[celest sluice]

changelog when

[half depot]

So we got an update but no log

Lmao

[rich vault]

Fixed all RTX bugs, added creator customisation to RTX, added official shader support, solved world hunger, added air tag
The happy ending

[half depot]

Honestly all I want with RTX is VV level customization 😔

[reef glade]

"solved world hunger" is crazy

[half depot]

And bugs fixed

[reef glade]

Damn RTX devs

[zenith aspen]

update out?

[hoary forge]

I ate the changelog

[undone crane]

no new oreui container screens 😔

[hoary forge]

Sorry y'all

[torn pond]

removed phantoms
finally !

[simple steppe]

is it full meal or snack at least

[zenith aspen]

Removed player

[torn pond]

added 70 new UI screens to the fletching table

[prisma niche]

Was it yummy? :3

[torn pond]

added 25 new End biomes

[undone crane]

Did general settings screen get oreui rolled out or its new?

[torn pond]

added all the unique China Edition features (including custom dimension support)

[rich vault]

Including daily usage limits? 😭

[zenith aspen]

made everything fully transparent

[undone crane]

ofc

[zenith aspen]

deferred changelog

[agile matrix]

hi

[zenith aspen]

[limber tiger]

Where is the change log

[hoary forge]

It was! It had a lot of bulletpoints

[prisma niche]

Hi

[prisma niche]

That does sound yummy :3c

[limber tiger]

Mojang better have fixed MCPE-169754

[rich vault]

and they better bring me some pictures of spider man

[willow harness]

When is the log gonna change smh

[rough path]

Chabgrlog out?

[hoary forge]

Camera animations???

[quasi wedge]

Mojang better have fixed all 3 bug reports I made last week that have existed on the shooter component since it's inception!

[rough path]

Or are people sayingbuodate out?

[simple badger]

I cut him.

[willow harness]

D:

How could you

[simple badger]

Because he's orange

[willow harness]

That's orangist

[hoary forge]

Your scripting changelog

[willow harness]

Yooo

[simple badger]

[zenith aspen]

changelog

[undone crane]

am i going insane or is this screen way bigger now?

[simple steppe]

damn, we already got BlockComponentBlockBreakEvent

[prisma niche]

Oh so the update is out but changelog is still sleeping? Did it forget to set the alarm?

[willow harness]

No it slept through the alarm I think

[limber tiger]

Ooooh great

[willow harness]

Splineeee

[prisma niche]

owo

[fickle lark]

added all mob vote losers

[simple badger]

https://feedback.minecraft.net/hc/en-us/articles/40008177570061-Minecraft-Beta-Preview-1-21-120-24

Apparently it says Sep 30th

[prisma niche]

Oh sick!

[rough path]

Huge

[simple steppe]

Items can now be transported onto hovered empty slots from hotbar slots using their corresponding hotkeys (MCPE-228289)

[prisma niche]

HELL YEAH!

[hoary forge]

Nice!

[limber tiger]

My bug report is fixed !!

[celest sluice]

Is the capture the flag server still up?

[rough path]

It was for 2 hours last night.

[raw arch]

custom cave biomes possible?

[rough path]

Yes.

[raw arch]

What about end and nether.

[rough path]

No.

[raw arch]

What.

Is there atleast a reason why

[celest sluice]

with an asterisk

[celest sluice]

If I were to guess, different world generators

[raw arch]

oh yeh.. they just replace existing biomes

[rotund pivot]

how to fix ive tried multiple tries

[fringe island]

Maybe your minecraft is not original

[cerulean quarry]

Hey, i also working on something but i wanted to ask if you manage to use wdapp.exe to register multiple versions at the same time and if so if you manage to it with editor mode without using AppURI protocol

[fringe island]

It's October, it would be a dream if this was added to Bedrock

[tropic chasm]

I would love to hunt a semi-full diamond spider jockey with a pumpkin and left handed bow

And invisible spider *
Forgot to mention

[fluid wadi]

I’ve set up seasonal mob spawning with a script, so it would definitely be possible to do this with an add-on.

Using Date()

[cerulean quarry]

Does anyone has similar issue with installations?

[latent wraith]

I haven't been able to register more than 1 version at a time (I think this is how current launchers currently work anyway). I still launch the editor with minecraft-preview://creator/?Editor=true (I have always launched it through a desktop shortbut).

[cerulean quarry]

yea same

[latent wraith]

You can still run the executables for other versions though, they will all run at the same time. Just 1 can be registered from what I have seen.

[rough path]

Are we discussing to launch different version of Editor mode?

[slender wren]

I'm curious, what does the the /creator/ in the URI change ?

[rough path]

#1415001934057836714 message

[slender wren]

Oh I had missed that, thank you!

[latent wraith]

@cerulean quarry if you want to try to launch editor mode on a non-registered version, try running./Minecraft.Windows.exe minecraft-preview://creator/?Editor=true where the executable is. I got the 1.21.120.21 (non-registered on the left) and 1.21.120.24 (registered on the right) running at the same time.

[rough path]

Yeah, I thought that would work.

[cerulean quarry]

Wow, thats really good, that solves lot of things for me

[charred ocean]

do the projects in the editor mode sync with the worlds in the base game?

it's been a bit long since I have tried the editor mode myself so just curious

yeah I'm a bit outdated on this stuff. Really happy to see it improving on each preview though

[simple steppe]

i thought i am seeing things, scroll bar is different in preview

or there layering is broken

[limber tiger]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Minecraft/s/uE1uKurSPi

[limber tiger]

Which one is preview

[simple steppe]

the bottom

[limber tiger]

Yeah they probably fix the rendering

[elfin flower]

tbh it is kinda normal.

JSON-UI does not play nice that well with high resolution and while the element is percentage dependent.

so some stuff like mixels or these will happen depending on your game resolution.

[simple steppe]

make sense

[elfin flower]

I had that quite alot while working on RuneCraft, so i decided to ditch the dynamic size if i want to implement something visually appealing instead of you know, mixels or pixels that doesn't seem to look alright on some devices

[simple steppe]

Yeah, i seen those a lot, some pixels get stretched or shrink

[fringe island]

When we are in the search tab, the category in which the suspicious stew is located does not appear, only information about the effect appears.

The suspicious stew also does not appear in the recipe book if the player has the necessary items, it only appears if the player searches for the stew.

Are these things bugs?

[toxic horizon]

Are custom biomes back?

[prisma niche]

Yes

[toxic horizon]

oh damn

I haven't been keeping up for a long ass time

[heady sable]

https://mojira.dev/MCPE-51173 says it suspicious stew can be found again in the creative menu in the 1.21.120.20 preview. If you can check it is in the creative menu, then it should be under the "Equipment" section. I guess this bug is due to them fixing it showing up in the creative menu but forgetting the rest

[fringe island]

Yes, in the 1.21.120.20 changelog they say that it now appears in the creative menu, and in fact it is present in the group where the normal stew is, but the category does not appear in the description when in the search tab, and it also does not appear when in survival unless you search for it or disable recipe unlocking. Perhaps it is because the unlock category of the recipe is using the context none.

It may be intentional that it is hidden in the recipe book, but the absence of the category in the item description when in the search tab is definitely a bug.

The potion for example has the category even though it has the effect information

[rough path]

Yo lowkey they should add FMOD support.

[latent vault]

on god

[shadow mason]

full agree

[steady gate]

Over the next few months, there's a few things I would just like to see added being: customisable flat worlds, generate structures on flat worlds and also custom world sizes. it would be nice to create worlds like legacy worlds or set a physical max size of 500x500 or something.

I'm just worried on what they skip over or simply just don't plan on adding. Take spectator for example, when we saw this added it took some time to get right but we're at a good place for it now but they skipped over things like being able to open containers or adjusting flight speed while scrolling. Even being able to interact with an entity and viewing its perspective, even with the custom screen effects like creepers and spiders.

This is just one of the few things I can think of but it would be nice to see some of these features that were skipped and such added in.

[sterile knot]

wait how do you run it

[fringe island]

Banana tomorrow

[zenith aspen]

🍌

[torn pond]

predictions on anything besides just mounts of mayhem stuff?

[rough path]

VoxelShape, Connectable

Mob Spawning Experiment

[torn pond]

i'm still hoping for static_light but that may be too exciting for a preview that already has other major features as part of the new drop.

[rich vault]

Do we get a new cycle tomorrow?

[random karma]

hopefully

once Mounts of Mayhem Drop has finalised they can start working on the Air Tag Drop

[white marsh]

You seem very excited about this

[rough path]

I am.

It's been almost a year.

[fringe island]

Maybe

[fossil walrus]

spawn_overrides my beloved

[undone crane]

Preview day today

[zenith aspen]

[azure spade]

When Preview?

Ladies and Gentlemen, it is with great honour to announce that it might be preview day

When do Previews usually happen?

Previews starting from March 11, 2025 will try to release on a Tuesday: https://bsky.app/profile/jorax.bsky.social/post/3lk4lhrpmoc2p

Oct 7, 2025, 12:01 AM

[limber tiger]

Do you think there a chance to get next drop preview today

Or it’s .25 this week and 1.21.130 next week

[torn pond]

Playing around with colored lighting in Reforj, i can't wait for Minecraft to finally get it

It does so much for builds

Really hope it's this preview

Having both point lights and static light will do a lot

(reforj has coloured floodfill so presumably Minecraft's static light and it's great for the atmosphere of builds)