General Discussion

[prisma niche]

See I was right

😝

[rough path]

🥀 End Update.

3rd dimension.

[prisma niche]

Caves and Cliffs part 3

[torn pond]

e n d
3 letters
can't happen, sorry.

[eternal shoal]

end update backwards is end update

[torn pond]

do you think they'll add more shapes?

getting kinda bored of all the squares and rectangles.

[rich vault]

As likely to be added as air tag

[torn pond]

they should do an update that ties into the upcoming LEGO Batman 4.

maybe add ACE Chemicals as a structure that can spawn in your worlds

[fringe island]

One question, is there any problem if many addons try to replace a single biome? For example, I have 3 addons and all 3 add new biomes based on the plains biome, how would this work?

[rough path]

Handling competition between biomes and other add-ons
It's expected that biomes will sometimes use the minecraft:replace_biomes component in a way that multiple custom biomes want to replace the same Biome in the same location. In that event, the Overworld generation code will choose whichever biome's noise result is lower. This will allow for tie-breaking in a way that is consistent and not affected by things like the order that the Add-ons were added to the world. And because the tie-breaking is done based on a noise value, the border between the competing biomes should appear natural and random, like the border between other biomes.
-# https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/minecraft/creator/documents/biomes/biomeoverview?view=minecraft-bedrock-stable
-# https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/minecraft/creator/documents/biomes/custompartialbiomereplacement?view=minecraft-bedrock-stable

[fringe island]

Thanks

[hasty grotto]

why did discord randomly decide to make quoted text grey?

[rough path]

Who knows.

Terrible decisoin.

[fringe island]

This means then that there probably won't be any problems since everyone will be considered the way they should, well that's what I wanted to know, thank you very much smokey

[agile matrix]

hello

[rich vault]

greetings

[willow harness]

Yo it's the fairy from that one game

Hi navi o/

[agile matrix]

https://tenor.com/bNDkd.gif

[rough path]

Navi is just distracting us from him messing up the types this week again /s

[agile matrix]

QUIET YOU!

[rough path]

Noticing how he isn't denying it.

[languid tinsel]

Hi Navi

[stoic junco]

I’m saving this if I can ping you without pinging

[reef glade]

Day 8576498928 asking for entityHurtBeforeEvent

[agile matrix]

what was it like to live in 21,000 BC?

[reef glade]

Idk but i need entity hurt before event

[hoary forge]

Patience is key

-# Darknavi probably pushing it back more and more each time we ask

[rough path]

I think...I saw a younger version of you.

@reef gladeHey dude, can you like not just reply to darknavi with unrelated stuff and constaly asking for the above when a dev is just chatting?

[reef glade]

ok

[quasi wedge]

stop trying to BE me

[reef glade]

😔

[quasi wedge]

I refuse to let people bandwagon MY THING like everyone has done with the AIR TAG

put some respect on gravels name

[reef glade]

air tag?

gravels name?

wdym

[quasi wedge]

Uneducated in BAO lore

[prisma steeple]

Nuh uh, not a bandwagon if everyone already had the same thought

||but it is primarily gravel's thing||

[reef glade]

Sorry, I'm not good at english

[hoary forge]

It is indeed ihategravel

[vast bolt]

nobody knows

@lapis sierra

[reef glade]

let vro have his life 💔

[vast bolt]

he's not allowed to sleep

[agile matrix]

LISTEN HERE PUNK

[rough path]

CAUSE IM A PUNKROCKER YES I AM

[fluid wadi]

Wait, we have a lore now?

[quasi wedge]

Always have, it predates the pug incident

[random karma]

💀

I had forgotten about that

oh god

Honestly that was a huge contribution to me losing my sanity

[half depot]

Pug incident

?

[quasi wedge]

Let's stay #on-topic here please

[hearty relic]

Does anyone have the 400+ Block Add-on for Bedrock Custom Blocks 2 How many Mega Bites is it?

[dusty shale]

not the place to ask this

[hearty relic]

general discussion?

[dusty shale]

this is general discussion for minecraft updates.

[hearty relic]

yeah the add-on just updated

[dusty shale]

minecraft updates.

not addon updates.

[hearty relic]

it’s a minecraft thing yk

[dusty shale]

this channel is specifically about minecraft updates...

and there's no channel specifically about addons updating because this server is for development, not really finding addons or getting support for them

[hearty relic]

okay then which server has that

[fluid wadi]

Probably the Discord server for the creator of the add-on, if they have one

[torn pond]

next week's preview leak real 2025

[white blade]

The transparent air change is the best one ever

[tropic coral]

Ui changes are so real

Like fucking remove that marketplace button

What do you expect me to do when i pause my game? Adding addons to my shopping cart?

I just want to change my settings

[torn pond]

yeah, even when i want to check the marketplace, i always leave the world to do it rather than doing it in the pause menu.

[zenith aspen]

• Villagers will now become fully transparent if the player touches them

[torn pond]

I am very confused at Mojang's recent obsessions with making things transparent, bad UI design decisions, and adding weird looking camera effects to ladders and vines.

[obsidian lark]

I can get used to the last few, but things becoming transparent breaks so many projects.

[elfin flower]

imagine releasing a UI pack that adds MORE paddings on settings and stuff

[torn pond]

i like that i can now actually look through the bedrock files

see things like wibbly.png

o hey VV configs for the switch

which consoles are console, console1, console2 and console3?

i assume they're XB1/XSS/XSX/PS5 but not sure in what order.

the one just called "console" is weird.

[torn pond]

dimensions -> end
update -> update
end update confirmed

[rough path]

Yep, now everyone can easily datamine now.

[torn pond]

added some extra padding to the pause screen

this screen is now more in-line with Mojang's vision for the game

[elfin flower]

bet

actually I'm not gonna do that

instead, I'll add a padding that fully depends on your screen size.

the large screen resolution you have or lowest GUI scale, the more padding you'll get.

[torn pond]

i also added padding to the hotbar

[elfin flower]

fake

[torn pond]

and did this

[elfin flower]

i'd add spaced hotbar ngl

[torn pond]

yeah the hotbar just feels like legacy console now

[elfin flower]

actually spaced hotbar that depends on GUI scale too LOL

[latent vault]

this looks funny lmao

so everyone can access to vanilla rp/bp now?

[rough path]

They could always, but its so much easier now.

[latent vault]

yeah i meant that

[rough path]

Just like multi instances, we could have always but it so much easier now.

[latent vault]

interesting

i should test it

[rough path]

Test what?

[latent vault]

many stuff

[torn pond]

Don't even need to change video settings because Mojang did it for me

This will be minecraft UI in 2026

[latent vault]

what the devil

[stoic junco]

Time to delete all the vanilla packs

[latent vault]

how many files can you delete before minecraft breaks

[rough path]

-# the exe

[latent vault]

😔

[latent vault]

this... looks terrible.....

[rotund pivot]

someone should make an addon that removes piston push limit

[limber tiger]

RP?

[white blade]

We had mods for that type of stuff

Add-ons can’t really edit that

[white fractal]

when replacing settings/video with ore ui is not enough:

[arctic salmon]

Why do they need so much spacing
It's terrible

[charred ocean]

the screens are in the middle of being updated and changed from jsonUI to oreUI

once the oreUI version is fully done with the whole settings screen, there should be very few/minimal complaints.

[arctic salmon]

Can't say I'm a fan of the ore UI designs

They are too empty

[celest sluice]

This doesn't really explain the spaces in what's essentially deprecated UI

What was the point of adding it when they're replacing it anyway

[rough path]

Do you reckon they're testing the padding to see how people react to it before porting to OreUI?

[arctic salmon]

Could be

[celest sluice]

I don't get that, because we already know what the Ore UI version looks like.

[torn pond]

maybe they want to add more padding to ore UI

[arctic salmon]

This JSON UI design is much better in my opinion
Credits to @ itzriyo157

[celest sluice]

Then add more padding to Ore UI?? 💀

[rough path]

Well...it is a WIP so... maybe you right though?

[celest sluice]

They want feedback on Ore UI? Change the Ore UI screen

[torn pond]

now that's just silly

[rough path]

More like, they want to "nail it the first time"

😱 Whaaa, you mean you didnt like the padding in JSON UI? I guess we wont pad in OreUI

[torn pond]

the big release of a bunch of ore UI screens at once will come with 50px padding for EVERY element on EVERY screen!

it'll be glorious!

:3

[celest sluice]

The two screens are so different from each other. Padding JSON UI is not like in Ore UI. Ore UI has tool tips below each option

[rough path]

A bunch of screens at once? Never gonna happen. Nothing ever happens, all in.

https://tenor.com/view/nothing-ever-happens-chud-chudjak-soyjak-90-seconds-to-nothing-gif-9277709574191520604

[rough path]

I completely forgor about that.

Time to dig into my twitter archives to rewatch the video.

Oh you mean descriptions not tooltips.

I remember that yes.

[celest sluice]

Wrong term, lol 😅

[rough path]

Could you imagine a tooltip popping up every time you scroll lol

[celest sluice]

ngl that sounds like a good idea. Hover over it for a second and it shows the description

Then again, mobile

[rough path]

😅 Yeah that's my worry.

It registers the tap to scroll as a hover

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[limber tiger]

can they stop with this fucking game drop system for fuck sake

[tribal torrent]

updates are extinct

[limber ledge]

A major update is also in the works but it will be announced when it is ready.

[rough path]

What's your issue with it?

[limber tiger]

i want a major update, that's it, we got a releasew with small featues

and i want more

[limber ledge]

^^

[rough path]

Many such cases.

[limber ledge]

Updates like 1.19, 1.20 and 1.21 where not considered as a "big update" from most of the Minecraft community because their hype level weren't like the nether update or caves&cliffs update. That means Mojang needs more than a year to develop a big hype-level updates. Thanks to the game drops, Mojang can take all time they needs (like 2-3 years) to do an hype-level major update.

We got 1.21 last year, so we can skip this year and we MAY get 1.22 next year. They will take 2 years of development time for the next major update.

[celest sluice]

We don't know how long they'll take. All we know is they are working on something in the background

[limber ledge]

Yep

But I don't think it will take longer than 2-3 years

[rough path]

Oh we need a new thread.

[quasi wedge]

The game drop system is amazing

[manic tinsel]

Game Drops are more friendly too. Less big changes at once is reducing my stress levels XD

[quasi wedge]

I haven't played survival in well over a year and a half though

[rough path]

To be fair...Game Drops don't really have an affect on Bedrock.

[quasi wedge]

my friend group only plays when we get a new major update

[manic tinsel]

You would be surprised how much they do for teams like us

[rough path]

Really? I presume that because of the monthly updates Bedrock already has it isn't as devastating or impactful. Or maybe it just coincidentally lines up with HCF dying and more experimental stuff are being stabilised quicker.

[manic tinsel]

Uh I have personally felt that during this new Game Drop Era more has gotten done/released.
I might be wrong but a lot of things feel like they progress better and more features become stable.

[tropic chasm]

Agreed

[manic tinsel]

I might just be crazy though cause 2018 when I started I would have to wait a year for features which honestly felt worse than Java back then

[rough path]

I think that might be kayla and the team killing HCF.

[manic tinsel]

Rest in peace

[tropic chasm]

No, not in peace

[austere mirage]

is there a mention about a major update in development ?

[torn pond]

the thing i'm worried about with that is exactly this: they'll take 2 years of time making the update, with no community input.

then they'll do 2 months of snapshots/previews, not enough time for them to even consider community feedback on things, and release it.

which, depending on what the update's focused on, might result in another 1.9 situation where a lot of people hate it.

[limber ledge]

Ulraf said there is a major update is in the works.

[limber ledge]

Or maybe they can use the experimental toggles and keep under that toggles for months until it is perfect.

[torn pond]

maybe. That would be ideal, but it'd require them to actually announce something that isn't a few weeks away from release.

and they don't seem to like doing that as much lately.

[limber ledge]

Well drops usually takes 2-3 months of snapshot and preview development times.

A major update definitely needs for like 6-9 months of the development cycle

But this depends on how they are convinced on the major updates, because if they announce them during the final phases of that update then they can easily polish it within 3 months

Caves&Cliffs update was announced in a very early development period, and we saw what happened… it took them 4 years to finish that entire update.

[torn pond]

sure, and it was better off for it.

[limber ledge]

Next time, a major update like caves&cliffs should be announced in the late development period.

[torn pond]

even then it's not perfect, but i feel like it would have been worse if it got announced later on in development.

the version of the update we ended up getting is just better than their early plans for it were.

imagine if the deep dark was actually just a cave biome, without the fun structure that makes exploring it work so well

[limber ledge]

Yep

The entire community spamming caves update, so maybe mojang forced to do it during the pandemic.

I think it was not in their plans

They were just forced by the community.

[torn pond]

I mean, if there were no plans for a cave update, then it's good the community got them to do it.

caves needed an update and 1.18 was a huge improvement for them.

It's not a perfect update. The world gen changes broke a bunch of things, both in terms of the actual world gen missing stuff it used to have and in terms of things like single biome worlds not generating properly anymore, custom biomes on bedrock being broken for a long time.
It also feels like terrain is often too hilly sometimes, and like, i still wish caves and cliffs got more cave biomes (frozen caves, sandstone caves, mushroom caves, etc.)

but it's a good update.

maybe if they didn't announce it early, they would have spent more time on making sure it didn't break custom biomes and single biome.

or maybe not, who knows

[limber ledge]

They can always add post-update biomes

[torn pond]

yeah. That's what i like about the drop system.

they can do a drop that just adds a new biome.

[limber ledge]

Pale Garden says hello

[torn pond]

instead of having to do another full year for just another cave update

[limber ledge]

But it is not in the caves

[torn pond]

actually yeah maybe they should spend a year on a biome, you're right.

the pale garden still feels like it could have been much better if it got more time.

like, i like the features it has, but the idea is good enough to have a lot more potential.

[rotund pivot]

okay thanks

[tropic inlet]

First

[heady sable]

What GDK does to BAO members 🤭

[rough path]

Sob. Half of it was jist me.

[simple steppe]

even 20% is a lot

[rough path]

Sob.

[white fractal]

GDK fixes lots of problems, "easier to mod", etc

[dreamy bison]

she is so smol

[limber tiger]

Is there an add on that takes panorama automatically?

[hoary forge]

Real

[dreamy bison]

its lovely !

[random karma]

not that I'm aware of, but it shouldn't be too hard to set that up

will require manually taking the screenshots but there positioning and whatnot is automateable

[fluid wadi]

Especially now that we can adjust FOV with /camera

[toxic stone]

is it still in beta?

[fluid wadi]

Maybe I was wrong about the command, but this was added in 1.21.100. https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/minecraft/creator/scriptapi/minecraft/server/camerafovoptions?view=minecraft-bedrock-experimental

Can’t tell if it’s experimental or not on my phone

Oh, I’m dumb. It says experimental in the URL

[toxic stone]

thanks, I’ll try it out!

[languid tinsel]

But but we should make you more stressed

[manic tinsel]

You stress me out all the time already though 😛

[rough path]

https://tenor.com/view/gojo-vs-sukuna-satoru-gojo-sukuna-jujutsu-kaisen-jjk-gif-5270969739112953641

[languid tinsel]

I have done nothing

[manic tinsel]

https://tenor.com/view/stress-cool-bag-breathing-sheldon-gif-14315247

[simple steppe]

next update

[toxic stone]

can you send the link of that website? :))

[hasty grotto]

https://searchlog.beyondbedrock.org/

[toxic stone]

thanks!

[fringe island]

minecraft:behavior.avoid_block does not work on blocks that are also items

[fringe island]

It seems that many entity components that ask for blocks have issues with replace_block_item

[tribal walrus]

has anyone noticed there's this really shitty culling currently in place for entities

it's like babies first culling

they spent 10 seconds coding it

i swear

[celest sluice]

That was last week I think

Are you talking about the dithering?

[tribal walrus]

no

you can play around with your camera angle at certain player positions to stop drawing entities even though they should still be on your screen in the latest normal release

i don't know if they have improved in the latest previews 🤷‍♀️

[rough path]

Video?

[tribal walrus]

connection too slow to do so

🤷‍♀️

[limber tiger]

does this type of generation still occurs?

[fossil walrus]

I think it still is

I also love that channel

[tropic coral]

Same

[fringe island]

When will we be able to make some items glow even in the item frame or on the shelf?

[reef glade]

why does that shader look so real

i fr thought this as irl photo at first

[torn pond]

it's a shame they just didn't add the "align items to bottom" thing for shelves on bedrock. On java you can use commands and debug sticks to make that, on bedrock there's just no way to do it, for seemingly no reason.

[muted widget]

its not just on item frame to shelf, blocks that have light emission glow as an item form

sad that it doesn’t translate to the item when using replace block item

[edgy abyss]

imo it looks more like a rendering glitch

I mean just the item being highlighted as if it was rendered in a another scene, it just looks wrong, I get it how it "makes sense" that it glows but Id rather have them not glow at all

[fringe island]

Seriously? That's pretty interesting, who knows in the future, I find it curious that the soul version glow less than the normal one

[tribal walrus]

those who know the lore: Tile -> Block -> BlockLegacy -> BlockType

https://tenor.com/view/freaky-mode-cat-gif-17120227677875951193

[swift estuary]

truly a mojang moment

[tribal torrent]

preview week this week?

[tropic coral]

Rtx

[limber ledge]

"unannouned game drops" but the current drop is already announced except the release date...

[elfin flower]

probably future game drop or something tbh

or hidden drop

[rough path]

Winter drop dude...

#1415417590481813646 please though

[limber ledge]

I know but why it is plural?

[limber ledge]

Ok

[tribal torrent]

it could just talk about the copper age again and it would fit

[sleek grail]

The next spring drop? I doubt they'll discuss it much detail but it's possible

[torn pond]

it does feel odd, since they already announced the name of the copper age drop.

so there really isn't anything new about it to announce besides a release date

[rough path]

They did the exact same thing for Spring Live. This is nothing new.

[limber tiger]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Minecraft/s/YUZZrvlV0B

Massive Bedrock dev L

[torn pond]

yeah i hate the bedrock sign not being a full block wide.

when they're a full block wide, you can have multiple next to each other as 1 long sign. You can use them decoratively in fun ways, such as the example here, or wooden planks over windows

[marble karma]

Is that possible to change with a texture pack

[latent vault]

i doubt it

[fringe island]

I hope so, and I hope the bug of the mob laying an egg that is a custom item block crashing the game is fixed.

[limber tiger]

So maybe 1.21.110 might be the copper age drop

Or might be too late tho

We already are in .23

And in two weeks we have MC Live

[white fractal]

on every aspects*

[limber tiger]

Yeah for real

Bedrock devs keep disappointing me every week

[rough path]

It is. Has to.

[limber tiger]

Yeah so maybe preview might be done by next week

.24

Or .25 if Mc live announce that the release date is two weeks later after the show

[rough path]

we havent gotten .22

Or what do you meanM

[limber tiger]

Okay I’m so dumb lol

I thought we were in .22 already

Yeah so .100 is the copper age but contains the colorblind color thing in .110

Ooor for that specific reason, they port for .100 the colorblind changes from .110

[rough path]

.110 is copper age you mean

We're in .120 now.

[limber tiger]

Ah

I don’t follow the version numbering anymore

But yeah

So swap the .100 to .110 and .110 to .120

[tribal torrent]

and .120 to .130

[fringe island]

Banana

[warm shale]

-# sorry

[fluid wadi]

-# not sorry

https://tenor.com/view/fortnite-peely-fortnite-peely-fortnite-og-og-og-gif-17541816937642508880

[rough path]

Found another use why pack selected queries needs to work in BP, world gen.

[charred geode]

1.21.110 releases today? (Tuesday)

[sleek grail]

Possibly

[rough path]

Unlikely.

They wouldnt release a Drop not in parity with Java.

[charred geode]

hmm, is there a reason why java wouldn't release tomorrow?

[rough path]

Because they havent announced the release date and theyre still in snapshots.

[charred geode]

oh yeah, that makes sense

[heady sable]

My prediction is that the full release gets dropped on 30 september, because Mojang said they would announce 2 drops in the Minecraft live, and my guess is that the 1st drop would be this copper age drop and the 2nd one a new one (which would either be 1.22 or 1.21.130)

[random karma]

The Copper Age has been announced though. We have an name and all of it's content scope.

On the article it explicitly stated unannounced drops. Aye I too am betting on a 30th release but as for the upcoming for the next half a year they'll likely show off stuff for the next 2 we'll be seeing before the next Live.

TCA has been wrapped up for a while, and there's been a TON of time for cooking up new stuff over the last few months.

Yeah maybe recently there have been a load of Mojang position job listings going around for the vanilla related things but there will still be an ongoing lineup of planned drop/updates.

[torn pond]

i mean, Mojang almost certainly know what's coming next, they said they have updates planned out quite a bit ahead, and there's different teams working on different drops.

the big problem is that this means Mojang would have to announce something that isn't coming within the next 2-3 months, which they've been very hesitant on doing.

unless they have a major drop in development that they want to have a longer snapshot/preview cycle, it'd be odd for them to announce more than 1 actually unannounced drop.

[random karma]

this is all I'm gathering here

[willow harness]

GASP

[torn pond]

so true

[eternal shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/charles-leclerc-bruh-banana-suit-charles-leclerc-gif-27525709

[zenith aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/banana-wtf-gif-9931576043779502568

[zenith aspen]

ba na na d a y
y

[torn pond]

predictions for today's preview?

MCPE-222356 still sitting at "unconfirmed" on the bug tracker :<

mojang pls

like yeah the bug report is wrong about what the bug is (in terms of wording)

but making a new report would just label it as duplicate

[rough path]

https://mojira.dev/MCPE-222356

[zenith aspen]

mod replied to my bug report today yay

[torn pond]

like, the bug report saying it's only a single block is somewhat wrong, but clearly the reflections are too small (and on anything below ultra, it actually does feel like it's only a single block. on ultra its this)

[zenith aspen]

looks like a config issue

[torn pond]

it is.

you can replicate it on PC

by replacing the reflections pc config file with the console_2 one.

[zenith aspen]

[torn pond]

which means fixing it should presumably be pretty easy?

[zenith aspen]

yea

[torn pond]

the reflections configs for VV as a whole are odd, idk why there's so many of them. there's a separate one for each platform, and they don't seem to work all that well in general.

like, on last gen consoles anything below "ultra" doesn't have reflections at all i think.

on PC, "low" is very odd in terms of that.

[upbeat surge]

hey frens
preview or release today? any news?

[rough path]

Not release.

[upbeat surge]

got it
thx mate!

[celest sluice]

Java prerelease today

[torn pond]

woa they did an article about desert wells
https://www.minecraft.net/article/desert-well

they're mocking our small desert well spawn rate.

would be nice if we had such a box

[languid tinsel]

Preview?

[celest sluice]

not yet

[torn pond]

hm. 11 days left until Live.
will they manage to get the drop out before Live

[agile matrix]

https://tenor.com/gHSbHUiQjVZ.gif

[celest sluice]

Oh, banana!

[agile matrix]

stupid gif didn't in-line...

[charred ocean]

lol

epic fails of all time

[quasi wedge]

taking a break from requesting before entityHurt this week to request an isWorldGenerated property on blocks

[zenith aspen]

[rough path]

https://tenor.com/view/epic-embed-fail-ryan-gosling-cereal-embed-failure-laugh-at-this-user-gif-20627924

[limber tiger]

I hope they fix his items rendering in huge

For the 27474 times I mention this bug

[rough path]

NEVER

[limber tiger]

THEY BETTER DO IF THEY REALLY CARE ABOUT CREATORS

[rough path]

They do care but it's matter of priority and urgency.

[limber tiger]

It's very important tho

Because we can't fix all the items

[rough path]

Stabilising Jigsaws and Custom Biomes is more important than say the damage component in items uses a modulo expression.

[limber tiger]

Well, it's just a simple fix lol

If only items that have their engine version in 1.16.100 have this issue but not the others

that clearly reduce the area to find the issue

[fringe island]

Well, the biomes are already there, all that's left is the jigsaw, and then work on V2 of the custom biomes so they can be used in other dimensions.

[quasi wedge]

If your item is big why don't you just make it an attachable and scale it

Is that not the solution?

[rich vault]

Can't wait for more things to disappear when camera gets close to them

[quasi wedge]

The world

[rich vault]

I wish

[sleek grail]

So true

These settings really need toggles

[fringe island]

Now that the setworldspawn command works in any dimension in Java, how long will it take to achieve parity in Bedrock? lol

[rich vault]

And creator control

[rough path]

This is v2.

[marble karma]

Sounds like a stand Ability

[willow harness]

next will be redstone dust fr

[rough path]

What do you mean?

[rich vault]

aaj is online, expect at least 3 characters about rendering in the changelog 👁️

[undone crane]

removed rendering from minecraft

[rough path]

Removed Vibrant Visuals

[rough path]

Wait...

End update

Confirmed.

[zenith aspen]

Graphical

• Villagers are fully transparent all the time

[marble karma]

It's the main thing in Jojo's Bizzare Adventure, a Stand is a physical(?) representation of a part of the user's personality and they often have supernatural abilities to boot. Oftentimes they niche and have some weird activation condition attached to them, like having to put a camera close to something for it to dissappear.

[fringe island]

Fixed a bug that crashed the game when a custom mob tried to place a block that had a corresponding item.

I want this

[rich vault]

The End! (to Vibrant Visuals)

[torn pond]

smh we already saw the preview changelog for this week

[torn pond]

hey, technically there's also the chance they make getting close to a block make the game look like its lagging, like what they did with ladders.

maybe that's the approach they want to take for tall grass, or for brick blocks

[prisma niche]

I better see at least 1 change/fix for RTX this preview

[zenith aspen]

-Removed Ray tracing

[prisma niche]

😔 🙏

[limber tiger]

That's not working for all items

[torn pond]

I just want XSS reflection fix to happen :<

[limber tiger]

Especially snowballs, wolf armors and arrows

[torn pond]

come on mojang you can change the 1 line in the config file

i believe in you!

[hasty grotto]

silly question but is there anything sdgp was supposed to have that vibrant visuals is missing?

[tribal walrus]

Is there going to be a new update today?

[rich vault]

Fun fact, they already changed RTX slightly in the last preview. They reduced the size of RTX material.bin files a little by removing some unnecessary data. I suspect this is due to a transition to GDK

[prisma niche]

I need moar!!

[undone crane]

preview likely

[torn pond]

3D models for rails

[rough path]

Today we find out if 3rd party launchers are actually cooked

[torn pond]

foliage moving

[tribal walrus]

Why

[rough path]

http://assets1.xboxlive.com/12/66b02bc1-c4f1-4986-a183-c23e00cccecb/98bd2335-9b01-4e4c-bd05-ccc01614078b/1.21.12021.0.e5cfeb9c-2eaa-4959-8a49-e82cde29702a/Microsoft.MinecraftWindowsBeta_1.21.12021.0_x64__8wekyb3d8bbwe.msixvc

If this links expires...

[tribal walrus]

just archive the files 🤷‍♀️

[rough path]

Not the issue.

People in the future who want to go back.

And technically redistributing the files is piracy.

[hoary forge]

It might not expire right away

[rough path]

So the legal way is distributing the links.

[hoary forge]

I haven't tried but there is a chance

[rough path]

I know the preview links are beyond charred as well.

[torn pond]

and the big one: this.

having these settings in-game.

instead of in the editor.

oh also lens flares

[hasty grotto]

does vv have depth of field?

no right?

[prisma niche]

Nope

Not sure if there's even code for it

[rough path]

This lowkey defeats the point of resource packs.

[limber tiger]

if they can also fix MCPE-226433

[rich vault]

You can get the depth of field effect using reshade #1182091012177399809 message

[prisma niche]

ReShade is so good

[torn pond]

ok so:

• lens flares
• depth of field
• custom block models for vanilla blocks
• proper moving foliage
• extensive in-game customization without the need for external tools or the editor (so, customization that would be available on consoles and mobile, not just for PC players)

[prisma niche]

I used it on a few games before

[hasty grotto]

having the 3rd thing would be nice

[rough path]

Im failing to see how the editor has anything to do with customisation. Thats just making a resource pack.

[rich vault]

Not a sfar as I can tell

[torn pond]

i mean, right now, on console or mobile, you just can't go "i want the sun to be at a different angle" or "i want to change the light intensity" or any of that.

[undone crane]

https://feedback.minecraft.net/hc/en-us/articles/39606021304589-Minecraft-Beta-Preview-1-21-120-22 new preview ro smth

[torn pond]

i think these settings may be extensive for in-game regular ones

[rough path]

Thats...just...resource packs...

[torn pond]

sure, but unless they add editor to console, this is something SDGP allowed for that VV doesn't.

[eternal shoal]

nice joke

[torn pond]

since on console, you can't just make a resource pack.

[rough path]

Added minecraft:precipitation_interactions component.

[eternal shoal]

vv better

[rough path]

Huge.

Where post?

[tribal walrus]

Literally 🤣

[prisma niche]

owo

Yay new molang queries for it

Yippee!

[torn pond]

Reduced the intensity of temperature-based color grading in certain biomes, such as Desert and Mesa biomes
aw i liked how intense it was

Adjusted the sky color in the End dimension
interesting

[hasty grotto]

@coral basin wake up silly

[hoary forge]

Slow bot!

[torn pond]

Also, i mean, resource packs can determine the biome specific colour grading and stuff. Presumably this wouldn't be able to.
i wouldn't mind a bit of additional in-game control over how something looks. Maybe i like everything about vanilla VV but want the sun at a different angle, with this you can just decide that in-game without having to make a resource pack.

sure, it's taking some resource pack functionality, and i think maybe too much of it (but given consoles' lack of way of making and downloading texture packs, that makes sense), but some of it isn't that unreasonable to make customizable in-game.

(but ideally they should just add the editor to consoles and let us make VV resource packs and put them in the game there)

[heady sable]

@torn pond If you can confirm it in 1.21.100 can you add the following to the bugreport (https://bugs.mojang.com/browse/MCPE/issues/MCPE-222356)

Steps to reproduce
1. ...
2. ...
3. ...

Expected Results
I *should* see this, I *should* see that...

Observed Results
I see this ...

That way someone else with a Xbox could replicate it and could it get confirmed more easily

[onyx gulch]

(MCPE-222356) Vibrant Visuals: Reflections on Xbox Series S only reflecting a single block

Status

To Do (Open)

Resolution

Unresolved

[heady sable]

Sorry for the double ping!

[torn pond]

hm, mayb.
then i need to make a mojang bug account :(

[heady sable]

Yeah. I don't own a Xbox so I can't test it for you. An account is created easily though. Only need an email and a password

[atomic nova]

I'm want point lights in vibrant visuals in release version

[fringe island]

There is a way to make blocks watterlogging or break them on contact with running water, but there is no way to break the block even when placed in a still water source.

[simple steppe]

Eh... Break it yourself with scripting

[fringe island]

Wouldn't that cause problems?

[simple steppe]

how so?
i mean just place event and check if it in water

[fringe island]

Would this be possible to do with a custom component? If not, the event will always be triggered.

[simple steppe]

i don't see why not

[cerulean quarry]

🫡

[cloud moon]

Rs

This is Minecraft not fucking brawlstars

[sleek grail]

?

[heady sable]

It can't be that fast... damn

[elfin flower]

actually the same speed as bedrock linux ngl

[rough path]

I dont get it. Sob.

[cerulean quarry]

registered seperated version in start menu 🤓

[rough path]

Ah.

[rough path]

Just realised that my idea of consolidating the embedded and item visuals wont work.

If we can somehow utilise nbt, we can achieve what copper golem statues do.

[muted widget]

when will mojang give as an ability to make custom smithing table recipes😩

i don't want to use the netherite ingot

[simple steppe]

Some limitations in bedrock are just stupid

[rough path]

Its about priority.

[simple steppe]

I mean stuff that are in place intentionally

[sleek grail]

Same thing applies

[fringe island]

I actually think more complex resources like item/block/entity components and things like biomes and jigsaws are more important than creating a recipe on the smithing table.

[elfin flower]

so i just noticed it again but, after they added VV the sun on both fancy and fast (simple) just look like they no longer having a glow on it but rather, literally a square.

are they gonna fix that?

funny that the moon looks normal.

[vast bolt]

If you re open your game does it look the same?

I had a thing recently where the moon disappeared for a bit

[elfin flower]

yeah, even without switching to VV or anything, the sun still has no glow.

ive noticed it quite a long time now and thought this eventually would get fixed but i guess they just there eternally.

[vast bolt]

How odd

[elfin flower]

while they have a experimental toggle for VV before, the sun looks normal until you toggle that thing on.

uh i guess this is why.

[rich vault]

Check it in the image editor, the halo could be transparent

[elfin flower]

Checked, there's no glow thing.

even i tried picking the color where the glow supposedly was, still nothing.

so i fetched the java's sun texture and it looks normal now.

[elfin flower]

also judging by the image byte size, yeah they're literally the same image.

[dawn fable]

Last time I played preview the glow was fixed

[elfin flower]

yeah they fixed it i saw.

[fossil walrus]

I wonder if they are cooking up something big for jigsaws

They haven’t received changes in a while and we are missing 3 tp elements and a ton of processors

[undone crane]

Just found out that oreui screens are side by side if you use pocket ui profile

[fringe island]

And copper chest?

[undone crane]

copper chest dosent have a seperate color

[quasi wedge]

I just realized what the new ore ui GUI's remind me of

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-spongebobsquarepants-gif-9146238

[fossil walrus]

I don’t like the new ui

When we can customize it I’m gonna make a pack to revert it back to the old in game ui

[fringe island]

But it is a variant too, mojang create for it too 😔

[fringe island]

I don't like it because it makes it extremely distant from Minecraft Java, the current json UI is not the same but at least it is close to Java

[fossil walrus]

Yeah

I kinda prefer the Java ui’s

[torn pond]

yeah, i like the regular UI style that's on java. But personal favorite is still legacy console.

but at least the new UI is better now than it was before, since they removed the rounded inventory slots. I'm more willing to accept it being added now, even if i still wish they at least let us have an option to use the old style UI, even if just as a texture pack once Ore UI gets support for them.

[fossil walrus]

Legacy console is the only version, asides from pocket edition prior to 2018, that I’ve never owned

I prefer the Java ui’s despite rarely playing it

[torn pond]

Legacy Console was like if Minecraft felt like a finished game.

felt much nicer to play than both Java and Bedrock, had good UI, actual custom superflat menu instead of Java's textbox, had built in mini-games

[undone crane]

legacy consoles crafting ui was a lil annoying to me but aside that it had good ui yeah

[fossil walrus]

Well it didn’t have infinite worlds which I prefer and neither did it have addons or multiplayer servers

[torn pond]

I think the limited worlds were nice but yeah, i like having infinite worlds (even if they're very broken if you get far enough out on Bedrock, which does make it feel less finished when you can randomly fall through the world)

for add-ons, i agree that it's nice to have them, even if sadly on console they rely on the marketplace which results in generally lower quality than what you'd get if 4J were making them (but not always, as there are some good ones).

for servers, the built in mini-games were better tbh.

[fossil walrus]

I feel like limited world sizes should be available on bedrock like how the old world type was at one point

[torn pond]

agreed.

but i wonder how well it'd even work with 1.18 world gen.

like, would the game be able to scale down biomes and put structures closer together

ideally they'd at least let us have pre-1.18 world gen with it.

(overall i think they should let us select any type of previous world gen rather than only having access to the current one)

[fossil walrus]

Yeah

I bet that would be hard to do however

[torn pond]

i think it depends.

as keep in mind, the old world gen still exists on bedrock

just behind the baseGameVersion thing

so they'd need to make it so there's a way to select it separately from that.

the Old world type also still exists, and that has unique world gen, and can be expanded with nbt editors.

[fossil walrus]

Oh that’s interesting

If I were to modify a level.dat file (I’m assuming that’s where that is) would it make the world generate old terrain?

[fossil walrus]

Not in the menu at least

[torn pond]

yeah, you have to use an nbt editor to enable it.
but if you do, you can select the width and length of the world.

which allows for this

[torn pond]

yeah

if you use pre-1.18 world gen, you get proper single biome world generation back, too.

by editing the biome override

[fossil walrus]

Nice

[torn pond]

i made this image a while ago comparing them

[fossil walrus]

Is it just world gen and other things work as normal?

[torn pond]

well no, because it's tied to baseGameVersion. and old worlds are version locked to 1.17 by default.

so, you won't have newer features.

except things like pausing and UI changes

[fossil walrus]

Oof

[torn pond]

that's why it'd be nice if they added these as a separate thing from the game version override.

[fossil walrus]

Yeah

[simple steppe]

it kinda make sense for mobile i guess, but not sure about the style

[torn pond]

this is what the stripe lands look in the Old world type.

you'd normally never see it, since the world type was limited size worlds.

[simple steppe]

show it with vv

[torn pond]

I like the old world gen. no tall grass, small biomes, more water

[torn pond]

sadly, they made it so you can't use VV on old worlds for... some reason?

not sure why tbh

it worked okay in the previews, at least at first. There were some issues with it i guess.

certainly not unfixable

76 render distance

[fossil walrus]

That’s weird

[torn pond]

I mean, it's what you'd expect i guess. I was hoping the old world type would generate the far lands but it doesn't

idk if there's any way to get the far lands to generate in bedrock anymore.

[tribal walrus]

Does the old world type use the old world gen?

[torn pond]

It uses its own world gen.

Different from regular 1.17 world gen

[torn pond]

As you can see here

Similar, but biomes are generally smaller and there's a lot more water

[torn pond]

the fire coral block seems to be broken when seen from underwater.

all other coral blocks keep their colour, while fire coral turns black

[limber tiger]

MERS type shit

[native osprey]

Bruh
applyImpulse for players is the same as apply knockback(the only difference is that netherite doesn't affect it)
what will happen if i add two to player y location?
apply impulse will move the player 18 blocks up lmao

[sleek grail]

It not being affected my netherite is the goal no?

What were you hoping to see?

[fringe island]

What is this? This gif wasn't showing up before, it just appeared out of nowhere.

[rough path]

Oh cool.

[zenith aspen]

cute

[torn pond]

WHAT.
A button with a fun visual that's NOT the marketplace?

impossible

Mojang would never.

[reef glade]

woa woa

[quasi wedge]

notice how the settings button is the SECOND option?

I've already accidentally clicked to go to the marketplace several times now out of muscle memory

[fossil walrus]

Intended 100%

[quasi wedge]

what would I do after that though, go "oops, I meant to go to the settings page but now look at all these shiny things I can buy!"

[torn pond]

that's what Mojang thing, yes.

[quasi wedge]

It will work on the 7 year old tik tok born and raised generation

[torn pond]

i mean, maybe they're hoping you click a few too many times, which will result in you buying something by accident.

[quasi wedge]

Absolutely not true

You'd have to trip and fall over several different things to get to that point

[torn pond]

since the marketplace is designed to trick you into buying things. That's why there's no "confirm purchase" button.

[quasi wedge]

It's not designed to trick you lmao

[fossil walrus]

I would say that it is

That’s why there is no confirm purchase menu or no text reviews

[torn pond]

it is. Their goal is for people to accidentally buy things.

[fossil walrus]

So you can buy crappy stuff

[torn pond]

and that, yeah.

[dawn fable]

I feel like I've had a menu open up to choose a payment method every time I've tried to buy something

[torn pond]

when you're buying minecoins, sure. If you're buying a pack with minecoins you have, no.

[dawn fable]

oh
i've never kept enough minecoins to buy anything that way

[torn pond]

I wish the marketplace was actually a good thing instead of that. Like, the idea of "creators who make good packs should be able to keep working on those, and be paid for their work" is not a bad one in itself, but it's one where you have to be really careful to do it right.

the hundreds of Among Us Skin Packs on the marketplace tell me that they did not, in fact, do it right.

well, they did it right in terms of being profitable, i guess...

[elfin flower]

notice how the marketplace button is the SECOND option?
I've already accidentally clicked save and quit several times now out of muscle memory.

[torn pond]

oh yeah i'm going to need to update my tier list of marketplace placements in menus.

[rough path]

What am I looking at?

[torn pond]

my tier list of all the ways Minecraft tries to get you to buy something in-game.

either realms or make you go to the marketplace

[rough path]

S being the best way to get you to buy?

[torn pond]

S being the least intrusive, most consumer friendly.

the higher it is, the more i'm fine with it being in the game. The ones in S tier, i like them where they are and wouldn't change a thing. The game obviously needs to have some way to get you to buy something so as long as it's not intrusive, sure.

the ones in F tier are awful and actively hurt the experience for me.

the reason "get more skins" is in F tier is because the game will randomly jump you from "show more" onto the "buy skin pack" button on console, so if you click twice, you'll accidentally buy a pack.

[rough path]

Why is the old pause menu d but the new f?

[torn pond]

because the old pause menu had it added alongside the 3 important buttons, while the new one has it replace the settings.

in the old one, it was annoying, but at least settings was still more important so it didn't interfere with the main thing i pause the game for.

[elfin flower]

i think I'm a bit lost on that marketplace button on S.

what does that mean

you like button not styled?

[torn pond]

Not stylized is ideal because it means the game isn't trying to draw your attention to it over the others.

but even stylized, this is still fine, because it makes sense on the main menu.

the marketplace SHOULD be easily accessible on the main menu, after all.

if there's any place it should be, it's that.

[dawn fable]

I'd put the featured section at the bottom of the dressing room higher than the one inside the character creator since it would otherwise be empty space

it isn't making me scroll more

[torn pond]

fair point.

yeah i can agree on that

[elfin flower]

yeah uh that made me even more confused.

but alright.

[torn pond]

why?

[elfin flower]

i mean idk, you just rating button placements.

[torn pond]

realms is stylized to an extent and it's in A. That's "still fine", and i'd put "stylized marketplace" in the same spot. It's trying to make you click it more, but it's in a place where the button belongs.

non-stylized feels like "here's the marketplace button, it's there if you want it"
stylized feels like "hey look at this shiny marketplace button, PLEASE click it"

[elfin flower]

i think stuff like that is alright as UX/UI person since it does showcase what's hot or trending in there or what's not. it made the screen little bit alive?

i wouldn't make a UI that looks like windows 95 though.

another thing on that list - why is marketplace screen in there.

[torn pond]

it isn't?

which one do you think is the marketplace screen

[elfin flower]

fyi - skin screen are pretty much fully merged to marketplace screen.

tl;dr - you can't change skins offline btw

[torn pond]

yeah :<
but i mean, i feel like the skin screen makes sense to be there.

[elfin flower]

not only that, like. pressing the skin button literally SLAMMED you with marketplace loading screen.

[torn pond]

yeah but like

when you go to the skin screen by itself, you're not doing so with the intent of going to the actual marketplace.

you want to change your skin into one you already have, or edit it using the character creator, or import one.

[elfin flower]

yeah, but these list tabs, skin ads (for whatever reason) just made me feel like I'm in the marketplace screen

even if i intend to change my customized skin- nevermind there's marketplace items and stuff. right there.

literally below user's owned stuff that isn't even categorized.

[torn pond]

that's why they're low down in my tier list.

because yeah, they can be annoying.

and the skin menu UI as a whole is not good imo.

[elfin flower]

i like it until they broke it just like pause screen :(

[torn pond]

as always, i yearn for LittleBigPlanet style UI.

[elfin flower]

also the realm button on that A list are only exclusive for those who didn't have an active realm for whatever reason

if you already have them, that button does not exist. well until your realm expires that is

[torn pond]

yeah

but it felt weird putting it any lower.

[elfin flower]

that thing definitely belongs to F to me ngl that thing straight up a advertisement

[fossil walrus]

I’m getting rid of the template screen as soon as humanly possible lmao

[torn pond]

nah. F is for things where the game is actively made worse for it existing imo.

like, the new pause screen, the marketplace button actually makes navigating that screen worse.

this? it's annoying, it is just an ad, but i guess you need to have the ad somewhere.

[elfin flower]

Below the play button. or settings idk i forgot lmao

[torn pond]

so i'm more willing to tolerate an ad in the main menu where the only thing it gets in the way of is the marketplace.

[torn pond]

it's below settings

it's blatantly an ad, but it's not too intrusive.

[elfin flower]

my favorite color is purple and purple button made me wanna click it if possible

[torn pond]

i think B, maybe even C is reasonable given that it has absolutely no value as a button besides being an ad, but if you're gonna advertise it anywhere, then sure, do it here.

[carmine kettle]

This is my go-to button for visiting the Marketplace

[torn pond]

yeah, colored button = "you should click this over the other options"

same with animated button.

[elfin flower]

animated button made me look at it i guess

doesn't have the urge that much.

[torn pond]

the thing is, when making this list i generally also considered "well, if the realms button wasn't here, where would it be"
and i can't really think of anywhere else they'd put it if they want to advertise it.

it needs to be easily visible.

and something people will clearly know about.

[elfin flower]

imagine if they made a funny changes where both marketplace and realm button more larger than normal buttons.

[torn pond]

they probably will eventually tbh.

could be in 5 years, could be in 10

could be in the next preview!

[elfin flower]

would even be better if they place marketplace button in settings too

actually nevermind they're not that greedy aren't they

[torn pond]

look in A tier.

[elfin flower]

yeah it looks reasonable to me.

[torn pond]

I mean, i guess that's in "how to play" but yeah, it's there. there is a "get minecoins" button.

[elfin flower]

yeah that thing unfortunately is not a settings screen but still annoying to us mobile player nonetheless

[torn pond]

but it's done in a way that doesn't feel out of place, not overly greedy feeling. Just a "hey, wanna buy some coins while you're looking through these menus?"

which, normally that would be bad but sure

on the marketplace page of the instructions, fine. I accept it.

[torn pond]

actually, the problem with doing that is then there's a bigger gap between "featured skins" and "featured items" so i can't do it.

and i refuse to put entity 303 skin pack above D tier.

[elfin flower]

i think there's one thing you're missing from that tier list

[torn pond]

also why is that allowed and herobrine isn't???

[torn pond]

whatd i miss :<

[elfin flower]

everytime you launch the game, there's actually a high chance of you getting an announcement of... an addon or marketplace stuff.

[torn pond]

oh yeah.

[elfin flower]

also that notification screen too.

[torn pond]

that'd go in like, D or F, not sure

[torn pond]

is that separate or same thing

[elfin flower]

same thing if i remember correctly, i do seen realms and addon related on that notification screen before

[torn pond]

a alright

[elfin flower]

the bell icon in the main screen

[torn pond]

i'll be honest idk if i ever clicked it before you mentioned it just now

[elfin flower]

yeah i have the urge to click that bell icon

not just the style but everytime if you've notified something, there's red dot on it

[torn pond]

i have the exact opposite. That icon is as uninteresting to me as it gets to the point where i completely forgot it existed.

i get all my minecraft news from ibxtoycat

so i don't pay any attention to the in-game notifications

[elfin flower]

it has pretty much realm invites, stuff i guess

but somehow the bell icon was animated if you're idle for little bit.

[torn pond]

okay that one goes in like, B tier i guess? maybe A? idk tbh.

it's not intrusive to me at all.

it's completely out of the way.

pop-up notification on startup go to D or F

the one thing that might save the pop-up thing from F is that it's one-time. It's not a constant part of the menu.

it will happen sometimes when you start the game, but that's it.

[elfin flower]

unfortunately... it's not one-time thing.

pretty sure i seen the exact same addon announcement 3 times now.

within week.

[torn pond]

i mean more like, it doesn't happen every time you go to the menu.

while the others are always there.

this one, you close it and it's gone until you restart the game AND get the pop-up which isn't every time.

[elfin flower]

fair

[torn pond]

also it is ridiculous that the game has so many ways of just trying to take you to the marketplace

or get you to buy stuff from it

[elfin flower]

for me, i just get rid of it via JSON-UI.

well, except Ore-UI ones

[torn pond]

that's why they're adding inedible ore UI

so you won't be able to.

[elfin flower]

i bet there's a guy named 8crafter would go to an advertisement rampage again if we keep mentioning ore-ui

that aside, yeah that's kinda sad.

[torn pond]

i wish i could edit the ore UI on console :<

i just want the debug menu on world creation.

[prisma steeple]

I'd hope you wouldn't eat the UI 😨

[torn pond]

i just want baseGameVersion and biomeOverride to be available in-game, mojang :<

[elfin flower]

ask console companies i guess lmao

[torn pond]

and being able to create an Old world type world, with custom world size i guess.

[elfin flower]

i just wanna turn these UIs into my own UIs that's all :(

[torn pond]

yeah it's a shame that all the old Legacy Console texture pack UIs will stop working with Ore UI

[elfin flower]

so me linux desktop environment could fit really well

[torn pond]

and 4J don't update most of those packs anymore (and the ones they do update are also not in the best state. Only the city texture pack doesn't have a glitched happy ghast texture, and star wars mash-up is missing most of the functions that made the map work)

[elfin flower]

fortunately, these texture pack UI will work normally in any in-game's ore-ui screens.

not the font though :(

[torn pond]

i dont get why they're messing with the font for it anyway

in fact, what is it in general about companies messing with fonts when updating stuff?

Battlefront Classic Collection uses the wrong font.
Mario Galaxy re-releases uses the wrong font.

Why can no one get the fonts right?

what is this anti-font conspiracy

[elfin flower]

it looks fine on paper when you're looking at 4k screen

but if you're looking at, like. phones, 1080ps

you can notice the font being blurry.

like idk the urge of making a pixel font a blurry mess

when you see normal JSON-UI screens and see the font, yeah it looks like you're playing Minecraft

but when you see Ore-UI screens and look up the font, it looks like you're just browsing the web.

[torn pond]

it makes as much sense as adding 500px padding to every UI element.

or adding a marketplace button in the place of settings.

clearly there's some UI designer who's gone mad with power.

and no one can stop them

[spring cairn]

Doesn’t oreui use web based stuff too lol?

[torn pond]

they should replace the font with comic sans tbh.

[elfin flower]

yeah it is. which when you think about it — it literally looks like a built-in browser.

[fluid wadi]

Who hurt you? /s

[elfin flower]

funny enough even the JSON-UI built-in ttf renderer does not look blurry AT ALL.

[torn pond]

i don't get why they're replacing json UI with ore UI anyway?
like, is it so much easier to develop for that it's worth redoing all the existing menus?

[rough path]

Yes.

[elfin flower]

it is modern day yeah, most people nowadays just do web stuff and bedrock's original team just barely even exists anymore.

[torn pond]

makes sense.

[elfin flower]

it's not like you're looking for a UI job, mojang hires you and you're now somehow dealing with JSON-UI

[torn pond]

fair enough. also highly goofy.

[elfin flower]

even i can tell that certain UI files that somehow looks... like someone who new at UI via sample pack ngl

but props to them on that new pause screen or they just stole china edition's JSON-UI editor

[torn pond]

wait does china edition have that :<

[elfin flower]

yeah, native to be exact.

[torn pond]

so like
whys that not the way mojang do UI all the time

[elfin flower]

china edition has even better JSON-UI out there where we're just limited to everything we find.

[torn pond]

whys china edition get to be special.

[elfin flower]

to the point adding ore-ui does not even make sense anymore

[torn pond]

apparently they even have a second type of reinforced deepslate

[dawn fable]

The scaling on the new gameplay screens is a lot better at least

[torn pond]

which again raises the question of why are they doing it then?

like, does regular bedrock mojang not have the json UI editor

if not, why not? wouldn't they still own it since it's an official minecraft port?

[elfin flower]

apparently not by the look of it.

you don't see a JSON-UI mistakes and code that looks like someone who definitely new on sample pack.

i suppose they just edit by hand

[torn pond]

i am curious about why exactly china edition is so different.

[elfin flower]

tl;dr — bedrock branch that mojang doesn't have control off and they're free to do whatever they want.

[torn pond]

that is very odd.

[elfin flower]

oh yeah render dragon does not exist on china edition too

[torn pond]

fun!

[marble karma]

Idk if im just numb to it but id put it in B or C

[torn pond]

this means regular old shaders work, right?

[elfin flower]

yeah... that's not it

[torn pond]

aw :<

[elfin flower]

china people made a dynamic shadows and water reflection with it

[torn pond]

o?

[marble karma]

Dafuq

[elfin flower]

yeah, something that normal shaders isn't even possible to begin with.

( on bedrock )

[torn pond]

??????
can

can we get china edition team to work on regular bedrock

[marble karma]

Why and how the chineese get alladat

[rough path]

Glory to the CCP.

[spring cairn]

That reminded me of the one time Mojang accidentally turned off render dragon on android

[elfin flower]

i seen several proper shaders on china edition alot and i can tell you that it looks like java edition shaders

No render dragon.

[marble karma]

Wtf

[elfin flower]

on phone.

[torn pond]

how :<

[elfin flower]

they might aswell recreate VV and nobody would notice lmao

hell maybe might run better than our VV

[torn pond]

maybe it has colored floodfill.

[marble karma]

Every sentence you speak gives much more questions than answers

[torn pond]

i'm so curious like, if china minecraft can do all of that, why can regular minecraft not?

[elfin flower]

yeah im abit jealous of china edition

[torn pond]

same :<

[elfin flower]

they got everything that us people supposed to get

No ore-ui and render dragon, custom shaders, custom dimensions, better JSON-UI and has UI tools

like, who would not.

[torn pond]

wait wasn't SDGP meant to have that

[elfin flower]

yeah.

[torn pond]

so that's what happened to SDGP. It wasn't cancelled, it was just sent on a visit to china instead and decided to stay there and not come back after seeing how much better their minecraft is

[torn pond]

also yeah WHY DO THEY GET CUSTOM DIMENSIONS AND WE DON'T :<

[elfin flower]

it just sad that SDGP get canned because not many platforms can run on it lmao

[spring cairn]

And the possibility of running it under wine/proton too

[torn pond]

thats mean, mojang :(

add them :(

[elfin flower]

oh yeah i forgot

they got the damn win32 build

something i can RUN ON LINUX

[torn pond]

tbh VV is better anyway imo

but yeah

i feel like if they added SDGP, they might not have done VV.

[elfin flower]

graphically yeah i think. but SDGP is so far better than VV imo

[torn pond]

why?

i think VV feels way more minecrafty

[elfin flower]

you got a rounded clouds, better lightings, voxel shaped entity blocks (i.e stairs and minecart rails are proper voxel instead of flat 2D)

3 layer clouds, pretty good java-looking shader godrays

has leaves waving actually maybe not

[torn pond]

i don't use shaders much on java, but i really like VV.
but i wish they made it so VV lets us recreate anything SDGP was going to have

[rough path]

3d blocks doesnt have to br SDGP or VV exclusive.

[torn pond]

true

[elfin flower]

yeah

[torn pond]

they just need to allow custom block models for vanilla blocks

[elfin flower]

i just like that as it blends with SDGP pretty well

it's like im playing minecraft 2

[torn pond]

i wish i could use VV with classic texture pack :<

[torn pond]

it's so weird because bedrock allows for custom vanilla entity models, but not blocks.

[rough path]

Not really.

[plush wedge]

Be patient, they're working on a format for vanilla block models that's as incompatible as possible with the existing java format, it's hard work

[rough path]

Jigsaws disprove that /s

[random karma]

Custom and Vanilla blocks also have their own rendering pipelines as of right now.

They're chipping away at stuff at a good pace, don't want 'em to rush again. No way we're having another HCF situation.

[fringe island]

It would be great to have other vanilla models available for Creators besides the only 2 available.

[marble karma]

I know you can fuck around with the models for item frames

Does the same hold true with signs?

[raw arch]

the world if mojang didn't make everything hardcoded:

https://tenor.com/view/mundo-feliz-onetreehsll-world-if-gif-14071235670792471304

[reef glade]

the world if mojang added entityHurtBeforeEvent:

[dusty shale]

fr

[raw arch]

most asked for feature fr

but then they give us a way to make glass blocks instead

[simple steppe]

we will take what we can get

[raw arch]

EmoteAfterEvent:

[simple steppe]

except that

[edgy abyss]

Id rather have them get shit done than always find "the best" "cleanest" "most future proof" version.

You have to weigh off between how much time you spend perfecting a system and how quick you wanna get past it

And most of the time, that code is gonna end up refactored anyway

[sleek grail]

HCF was a disaster

Not to mention, we don't see significant changes to things they've implemented once and then brought into stable

[torn pond]

we need a HCF 2

this time it'll work, because it has a 2 in the name.

[latent vault]

the only time where holiday is unwanted

no more holiday please

[edgy abyss]

so format versions are just not a thing then, sure. Because that's exactly what I mean by, you code something and its gonna be refactored anyway.

[edgy abyss]

Honestly, HCF were good while they lasted, they allowed thousands of cool addons to be created because of the added capabilities they delivered at the time. They might even be the reason some people are here today, because they saw something cool made through HCF and wanted to create their own.
And at the end it didnt make sense to keep them around because scripting would replace exactly what HCF did. But scripting didn't exist back then. And whoever used HCF and couldnt update their addon anymore knew what risk they were taking, its not like it was an unthought possibility that it would get removed.

[weary galleon]

learning scripting was and still is pure torture

[edgy abyss]

Well thats on you.

[fluid wadi]

I started teaching myself add-ons in 2021, and HCF was something that lessened the learning curve for someone who did not initially have much patience. I eventually taught myself JavaScript, and making add-ons is one of my favorite hobbies. I can’t imagine doing most of the stuff I do if we still had to work with HCF. Thanks, but good riddance.

A byproduct of me teaching myself JS is I know very little of the terminology. But that’s fine

[fossil walrus]

What is the name of that website

[quasi wedge]

probably called something like "smokeycopelist.org"

[willow harness]

https://parity.smokeystack.dev/ here

I have it bookward lol

[quasi wedge]

yeah that's almost identical

[prisma steeple]

wdym, it is identical

[fossil walrus]

Nice

[fossil walrus]

Smokey’s parity website is not on parity with facts

[sleek grail]

How many significant changes are you counting locked behind format versions post HCF?

[fringe island]

I think he doesn't consider it because it's experimental in bedrock

[limber tiger]

apparently winter drops leaked so be carefull

[celest sluice]

oh boy, it's leak season

[fringe island]

Honestly, I was curious, I didn't hear about any leaks, not even on Twitter.

[limber tiger]

Not the right place to seek

[fringe island]

It would be a dream if there was a leak of technical resources

[fossil walrus]

i care more about jigsaws and worldgen updates then a end update at this point lol

[charred ocean]

yeah. shouldn't say much about this topic. This just means that someone at mojang is just leaking it.

secretly without getting caught

[torn pond]

I just want a custom superflat update :(
or like, a general custom experience update. custom superflats, customized worlds, more customizable difficulty.

that, and more options for creativity (point lights/colored lighting, more fun physics objects and ways to mess around with them like the recent lead changes, maybe block-built ships or vehicles in general in some way if they could find a way to implement them properly) are the 2 things i really want besides just "more regular content".

Yeah, i want the End and oceans to be updated and to get new dimensions, more cave and nether biomes, but more customization and creativity would do more for the game in the long term.

[hasty grotto]

everything looks sketchy

[torn pond]

yeah, there's a bunch of fake leaks but idk if there's any major real ones?

well, besides like 2 words.

no images or actual details or anything

[limber tiger]

point of light blocks after reloading the world are no longer working

[charred ocean]

Idk about the other ones but i would agree about the end update

[torn pond]

i think all of them are in need of some update.

• the End: pretty obvious, the End, as it is, is boring. I like it being a desolate wasteland, but it needs to be a desolate wasteland that's fun to explore. And especially with the supernovae in VV, the giant shadows that are cast in random directions are even more of a reason for why we need more content in it because that makes for really impressive visuals.

• oceans: 1.13 was a neat update in terms of making oceans a bit more visually interesting. But that's the thing, they're a bit more visually interesting, but not much more interesting in terms of gameplay. There's really nothing more to do there than there was in 1.8, besides the shipwrecks which are just a free source of good items, and a few new blocks. I wish we had a deep ocean biome which serves as the ocean's deep dark, but also some more regular ocean structures that make use of the fact you can move freely in any direction, more biomes, more mobs, etc.

• The Nether: i think it's in a decent state as it is, but it does only have 5 biomes and 2 major structures. Adding 1-2 more of each would help make exploring it more interesting, but all the biomes and structures it has right now are good.

• caves: for something that makes up a lot of your world, and are crucial to the "mine" part of "minecraft", caves right now only have 4 biomes. There's a lot of potential for surface-biome-specific cave biomes (sandstone caves under deserts, stained clay caves under mesas, muddy caves under swamps, icy caves, better underwater caves that make it more worth exploring them, pale caves, etc). This is similar to the nether where they're in a great spot compared to how they were before, but certainly lacking compared to the overworld surface.

• new dimensions: this would just be fun because of features they might want to add that don't fit any of the current ones, and because they can worry less about balancing things around other parts of the same dimension.

[charred ocean]

bro's got 4 c&c updates but still ain't enough 💀

[torn pond]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-more-gif-21856591

[charred ocean]

jk. I agree with the biome based caves though

[torn pond]

we even had ice caves during the early 1.17 previews as a bug

[charred ocean]

new dimensions would be the interesting thing

[torn pond]

but since it was a bedrock bug rather than a java bug, they just fixed it rather than making it a feature

[charred ocean]

yeah lmfao they did look good though

should have kept it :/

[torn pond]

yeah :<

[charred ocean]

it's only dependent upon the demand and the community usage.

java's debug screen was a mistake but was kept to avoid negativity. They can't repeat the same mistake again with bedrock. (an example)

debug features are meant for devs not for public use.

[torn pond]

imo debug features should be available for public use.

but as a creative thing

[charred ocean]

yeah

Minecraft is doing work a lot different as a game compared to others

which is good

[torn pond]

yeah.

[torn pond]

i think itd be fun to get new dimensions. If they just keep adding stuff to the current ones, it'll eventually just feel overly crowded with too many biomes and structures. And there's the issue of "but this doesn't really fit in any of the current ones"

there's some great concepts which would fit in Minecraft well, but just wouldn't fit in any current dimension.

also it allows them to add more late game content or more unique challenges. You can't add overly difficult stuff to the overworld surface because a player might spawn there, that's probably why the creaking is so weak (and why i wish it was an island biome instead of a regular biome, since players can't spawn on island biomes i think?)

[charred ocean]

there was once (and still is) a demand to basically add aether or similar to something like that lol

not as much as the end update but iykyk

[torn pond]

yeah i think it'd be fun.
I think new dimensions are something that should be carefully considered as a "does this feel substantially different enough from the existing ones and allow us to do new things with it", to not end up with too many, but they should be added.

this is a similar case to armor/tool sets. We've had the same few armor sets for the longest time. Then they added the turtle helmet, then netherite, and now also copper armor. They added new ones, but they're still always careful to not add too many or to not add one for no reason.

[charred ocean]

mojang will probably not add aether because it will just count as copying and get called lazy.

instead they would take another kind of approach to try to make something new

something never done before.

[torn pond]

I think they should add something along those lines, but still different enough.

[charred ocean]

yes it will and it should actually

[torn pond]

like, the Aether was in a lot of ways a "floating island overworld with slightly different blocks" (in terms of the dimension itself, because there was a lot of unique content in it). That is great and i wish they still could do that, but that's also a very "old Minecraft" style thing, and they've sadly moved away from that style of doing things.

You can make a new sky dimension that feels substantially different from the overworld while still getting the same general vibe