General Discussion

[earnest pagoda]

The real fun begins

[celest sluice]

Custom dimensions next

[wet shell]

I really hope they add that

[celest sluice]

The real fun in waiting on custom dimensions

[wet shell]

Aether in bedrock when

[earnest pagoda]

I mean I was planning to do Aether in Legends

so I might as well if I'm making Legends

Host Dimension 😮

[wet shell]

What dat

[wet shell]

Oh

[half depot]

https://tenor.com/view/loading-prank-gif-22545182

?

Is it that day

[shy elbow]

Likely

[charred ocean]

oh wow alot of stuff been going on since i was off lol

[limber tiger]

https://www.minecraft.net/article/minecraft-1-21-1-release-candidate-1

whoa

such a HUGE version

[limber ledge]

Did they found an exploit?

1.21.1 is expected to be released later this week.

[celest sluice]

snapshot released. Preview next

[carmine kettle]

They must have, considering the presence of the RC

[tropic trout]

Happy Preview Day! 🙂

[prisma niche]

[celest sluice]

Awesome!

You're early!

Come back when the changelog is released

[prisma niche]

Data driven configs 🙏

[rich vault]

I have a better idea - leak the changelog!

[celest sluice]

Wait, what if the changelog is released and we just don't know it?

[tropic trout]

Nah, what's a few more minutes of waiting?

[prisma niche]

[celest sluice]

checking nope. Not out yet

[willow sequoia]

I WANT IT NOW

GIMME GIMME GIMME

[celest sluice]

https://tenor.com/view/peter-griffin-but-i-want-it-now-gif-26307521

[dreamy bison]

they will add fortnite dlc to minecraft bedrock

[prisma niche]

Molang support in deferred is real guys.

[rich vault]

Every second counts

[willow sequoia]

literally me fr

[half depot]

Oh hello

[dreamy bison]

〽️

[half depot]

Happy preview day

[dreamy bison]

mcdonal

[celest sluice]

mcdonalds?

jinx

[rich vault]

Nah that just looks like a graph of my patience for the anticipation of this preview

[wet shell]

We’re definitely getting some more deferred goodies today

Imagine PlayStation support

[prisma niche]

I theorize we may have to update our packs after this preview.

[celest sluice]

Imagine Swit- oh wait. We need preview on switch first 😦

[wet shell]

Switch will be last to get deferred

[rich vault]

Imagine preview on switch

[wet shell]

But ive moved on from switch mc

[dreamy bison]

imagine switch on preview

[celest sluice]

I still have a switch so I definitely would want it

[half depot]

Let me fry my switch oled

[quasi wedge]

🙏 beforeDamage, I summon you

[wet shell]

However my switch friends are still waiting

[sonic musk]

I can confirm no ps support

[rich vault]

We've had experimental toggles, now they are adding experimental switches??

[wet shell]

A lot of my yt subs are switch players pretty much

[limber tiger]

Aaaaaaaaaaaah!

[half depot]

https://tenor.com/view/nintendo-nintendoswitch-gif-7211713165718956154

[limber tiger]

Still pray for bundles even tho it's not coming

[dreamy bison]

experimental button, enables the experiment but only for about a second

[wet shell]

Prove it

[dreamy bison]

blud said prove it

[sonic musk]

just wait 10 to 15 mins

[rough path]

Have you seen my.complains and derps in graphics channel?

[prisma niche]

Source: Trust me bro.

[sonic musk]

can confirm bundle today

[willow sequoia]

No cross-posting!

[wet shell]

We will see

[sonic musk]

the bundle will come bundled with other surprise features

[rough path]

My bad mod

[wet shell]

Wavy water in deferred today?

[rough path]

#bansean

[sonic musk]

too soon

[wet shell]

Nah

Wavy leaves??

[sonic musk]

too soon still
wavy water will be introduced first before wavy leaves

[prisma niche]

Lighting updates to the nether and end? :O

[wet shell]

Caustics ?

[elfin flower]

ghosting fix

[sonic musk]

yes and no at same time

[prisma niche]

That was last week

[half depot]

Need

[celest sluice]

That was mostly fixed in last preview

[rich vault]

Was fixed last preview

[dreamy bison]

whatever we get i'll be happy

[rich vault]

Be careful what you fish for

[wet shell]

More data driven stuff??

[sonic musk]

more like ghosting was reduced

[half depot]

Hopefully most android bugs from last update are ironed out

[elfin flower]

yeah im aware but the ghosting is, well. still there when in underwater or anything that is fog in the sky related.

[wet shell]

What bugs?

[dreamy bison]

this man.. fish react him

[prisma niche]

"Removed the Deferred Technical Preview due to a bug"

[cloud moon]

Update today?

[sonic musk]

W

[celest sluice]

Different kind of ghosting. You're talking about volumetric fog

[dreamy bison]

fortnite battle pass ✋

[half depot]

Inverted reflections, performance cuts

[wet shell]

Oh

[prisma niche]

What if we can control auto exposure? (In a different universe)

[wet shell]

I don’t think I’ve had the inverted reflections bug

[half depot]

That would be great

[wet shell]

Or I’m just too dumb to notice

[half depot]

Cuz it's android only

[wet shell]

Ah

[sonic musk]

it's coming
i am manifesting it

[wet shell]

That would be great

Especially at noontime

[half depot]

Manifest.JSON ing it

[sonic musk]

rn AE suck

[rich vault]

Can you manifest faster, I was in the middle of watching Stars Wars: Episode One

[sonic musk]

I am also manifesting shader support and android source coming back
so it's taking a long time 🙏

[rich vault]

Be careful what you fish for

[fluid wadi]

A Minecraft player of culture.

[elfin flower]

imagine bedrock source code

[half depot]

https://tenor.com/view/take-off-hood-jedi-revenge-of-the-sith-anakin-skywalker-hayden-christensen-gif-11346466752972110067

[elfin flower]

would be funny

[sonic musk]

there's no fish except some lobsters 😔

[rich vault]

The fish was the friends we made along the way

[dreamy bison]

i am currently manifesting two bug fixes and an one new deferred bug

no more no less

[wet shell]

Imagine all of the new deferred features gets added and mojang announce they are finished with deferred

And start optimizing

[sonic musk]

i tried to manifest it but got infested with unorgnized code 😭

[rough path]

Doesnt align with their new model

[wet shell]

☹️

[dreamy bison]

Imagine we get a new toggle that is 'Vacation Creator Features' and it's just HCF wearing glasses and a fake moustache

[sonic musk]

I wanna get new sky model like veka talked about

[elfin flower]

this is a certified source engine moment

[limber ledge]

1.21.30.22 is rolling out now on iOS.

[wet shell]

YOO

[rough path]

Kayla, please confirm

[limber ledge]

Updating…

[lavish ocean]

before the changelog?

[limber ledge]

Yeah!

[rich vault]

Do you mean without that black dark bug?

[fluid wadi]

Not the first time

[dreamy bison]

https://feedback.minecraft.net/hc/en-us/articles/28896769176845-Minecraft-Beta-Preview-1-21-30-21

[rough path]

Ios always do

[lavish ocean]

oh never knew that

[simple badger]

Lol

[fluid wadi]

That's last week's

[rough path]

[wet shell]

I forgot they skipped .30

[dreamy bison]

i got you

[elfin flower]

you trap shall not work on me

[sonic musk]

yeah
i'm pretty sure you talked about that inorder to fix that
just change the whole model

[dreamy bison]

that's what i was counting on lol

[wet shell]

Why they skipping .30 💀

[rich vault]

.22 is out on android

[wet shell]

Changelog when

[dreamy bison]

downloading rn

cos im a gamer

[wet shell]

Download is taking too slow for me

[dreamy bison]

speed it up then

[foggy isle]

bruh

[half depot]

Forgot to crop that

[dreamy bison]

charge your phone

[prisma niche]

got your ip lmao

[half depot]

It's plugged in rn

[sonic musk]

https://feedback.minecraft.net/hc/en-us/articles/24551376845-Minecraft-Beta-Preview-1-21-30-22

[dreamy bison]

we clearly had different instincts on what to look for

[elfin flower]

false news >:(

[half depot]

You ass

[wet shell]

Buh

[dreamy bison]

heyehehe

[prisma niche]

🥱

[dreamy bison]

https://feedback.minecraft.net/hc/en-us/articles/28289283945869-Minecraft-Beta-Preview-1-21-20-22

[rich vault]

This is real

[fluid wadi]

insert colorful language here

[dreamy bison]

oooh i love colours

[shy elbow]

not real i’m on the offical page lol

[fluid wadi]

That is 1.21.20

[elfin flower]

i have refreshed my store several time and there's no update.

i am disappointed

[tribal torrent]

preview day today?

:doggysmurkW:

[lavish ocean]

yes

[wet shell]

Already out on iOS

[limber ledge]

Already out

[wet shell]

No changelog

Yet

Mojang waiting so we can troll each other with fake links

[celest sluice]

Does iOS come with a changelog?

[tribal torrent]

we go in there and just guess what chanhed

[fluid wadi]

Most likely

[lavish ocean]

they often just say "various bug fixes"

[rich vault]

Wait nvm sorry, it is fake news. .21 version code ends with .22, I though I was diownlaoding .21

[wet shell]

Well mine is taking forever for install

[limber tiger]

https://x.com/eckoxsoldier/status/1821211125750308924

Scott (ECKOSOLDIER) (@eckoxsoldier) on X

No sign of bundles in this weeks beta/preview

Twitter · Aug 7, 2024, 3:45 PM

[half depot]

Nope

[shy elbow]

bro how does he even know

[wet shell]

How does bro know

[half depot]

Underwater lighting looks a lot better

[tribal torrent]

ok installing now

[dreamy bison]

no new toggle

[prisma niche]

spoiler!

[wet shell]

HOLY

[lavish ocean]

nice

[celest sluice]

Caustics? 👀

[sonic musk]

gahhh damn

[half depot]

Not that I can see

[celest sluice]

That's the only way you can get that pattern

[shy elbow]

we don’t know what’s in the preview but we can play it? fun

lol

[elfin flower]

ULTRA GODRAY GRAPHIC HD 4K

[wet shell]

Aw man

[rich vault]

There are vines above water

[wet shell]

☹️

[simple badger]

dayum

[half depot]

It also looks like they improved the harsh transition when going a few blocks down

[celest sluice]

Shoot

[simple badger]

looks like my local pool

[wet shell]

Release the changelog moyang

[sonic musk]

tell thomas

blud has the button

[tribal torrent]

let’s make our own changelog

[wet shell]

Added god rays to deferred water

[half depot]

Something does look better though

[tribal torrent]

Preview/Beta 1.12.30.22

[half depot]

Those already existed

[versed thicket]

https://feedback.minecraft.net/hc/en-us/articles/29067342985101-Minecraft-Beta-Preview-1-21-30-22

[elfin flower]

@rich vault Android is out.

[fluid wadi]

This is real

[rotund pivot]

They cleared up that boxy fog stuff

[wet shell]

WAVY WATER

[fluid wadi]

Realistic waves!

[wet shell]

WAVY WATER

[wet shell]

@sonic musk HA I TOLD YOU

[wet shell]

THE PICTURE AINY LOADING

💀

[half depot]

We gotta enable the waves

[half depot]

But sick

[rich vault]

What's the version code?

[tribal torrent]

the water buffs…

they’re here

[elfin flower]

idk still updating it though.

[half depot]

Still no caustics but at least we can finally improve water and stuff

[elfin flower]

73mbs aren't that much

[half depot]

I'll take a look at stuff

[tribal torrent]

wavy SSR watee

[simple badger]

can't wait to see what people do with it

[tribal torrent]

[tropic trout]

Same 🌊 🏖️ 🎨

[eternal shoal]

:0

[eternal shoal]

😈

[limber tiger]

MCPE-169754 isn't fixed...

[elfin flower]

oh my god my game is still "installing"

what's happening

[wet shell]

@tropic trout I’m so excited to this new feature out

[simple badger]

Finally got the update on android

now I'm waiting for windows

[half depot]

Damn it you guys drop something like this... amd it's when I have a lot of school work

[elfin flower]

972103022

[prisma niche]

@tropic trout do we need to add a normal map for the waves or is that going to be part of the game by default?

[eternal shoal]

could you also add refraction 🥹 ? so that the things behind the water are bubble and wavy

[prisma niche]

More talking about the screenshot on the changelog with how the water surface looks.

[tropic trout]

The waves will modify the normals of whatever normals are already present on the water surface. So if you are already providing normal maps for flat wave animations, then they will be used as a starting point for the realistic waves. If you provide no normal map at all, then it will just use auto-computed face normals as a starting point (aka pointing directly up), which will then get broken up and reoriented by the wave logic.

[limber tiger]

If waves are here for water

Leaves are next

prob*

[half depot]

thats pretty cool actually. i wonder how my normal will handle it then

[prisma niche]

Oooo. That's pretty sweet! Guess I gotta buy a normal map, lol :3

[limber tiger]

out for me

[quasi wedge]

great now my leaves can always wiggle for absolutely zero reason

[sonic musk]

hmmm
the logic behind computing waves for normal gotta be hard

[celest sluice]

There are a few algorithms out there that deal with normal blending

It's not particularly difficult to achieve

[tropic trout]

I recommend the Editor for exploring the new wave parameters. Some of them are quite sensitive.

[prisma niche]

On my way :3

[half depot]

i figured it was just gonna override our current normal

but its cool that it uses it

[rough path]

Would be cool if docs came out first

[celest sluice]

Does it warp the vertices of the water?

[tropic trout]

No. Purely an image-space effect.

[celest sluice]

Figured as much

[sonic musk]

omfg

[half depot]

woah a little noisy but woah

[sonic musk]

i love you devs

[simple badger]

wow

[celest sluice]

Maybe if they tone down smaller waves with distance? Then again upscaling also helps

[tropic trout]

I can't wait to see what you all cook up. Enjoy! I need to get back to work. 🙂

[half depot]

see ya!

[prisma niche]

❤️

[quasi wedge]

are features like this modifiable based on in game weather?

[shy elbow]

if they’re adding wavy water what about realistic ish looking snow

[quasi wedge]

I just think there is the slighty oddity with things like this when it to water in a small areas that wouldn't be waving all over the place

[half depot]

wavy lava when

[quasi wedge]

or when water looks the same in clear weather vs stormy

[elfin flower]

honestly might aswell drop the mobile's version

[celest sluice]

It could probably be modulated with sky light access

[eternal shoal]

🥹

[celest sluice]

What a nice blue

[rotund pivot]

Clouds r next?

Hopefully

🙏

[wet shell]

waving foliage and clouds hopefully

[quasi wedge]

Does this affect water placed in a cauldron?

or does that still look like default water

[half depot]

no clue

likely not

[quasi wedge]

I really do not want wavy leaves

[half depot]

wavy water is optional so id imagine that would be too

[quasi wedge]

I'd be fine with it if there were weather options

just changes the intensity values of the different settings based on weather

[cloud moon]

Probably would be

[rotund pivot]

Hope Noone saw that

[languid tinsel]

Happy preview day!

Too much to scorll and catch up ooon

[cerulean quarry]

Heppy one!

[atomic nova]

I want SSGI

[atomic nova]

I have a question

[lapis sierra]

Haha funny. Everyone knows Mojang employees outsource everything to chatgpt.

[atomic nova]

@tropic trout when SSGI?

[rough path]

Theres no need to ping the devs for that

[atomic nova]

All right. Okay.

[rotund pivot]

What is ssgi?

[rotund pivot]

?

[celest sluice]

Screen space global illumination

[rotund pivot]

How does that work?

[celest sluice]

It calculates global illumination with the stuff you see on screen

It's like SSR, but for global illumination

[rotund pivot]

Like like less demanding rt?

[celest sluice]

Yes

[rotund pivot]

That would be nice

I don't think it would be added though even after release

[prisma niche]

Oh boy! I new Ibxtoycat stream with deferred. Can't wait to read the chat!

[wheat wasp]

One of my oddest request was for a Deferred lighting Theme song. Seems people are pretty excited about it. https://youtube.com/shorts/gwMGNxZVf6A

So I'm curious if sentiment changes more pro as more features are added and it looks better

[dreamy bison]

ai music just kinda sucks in my opinion

[wheat wasp]

oh man I've been enjoying it.

Had so much fun making songs with friends

[dreamy bison]

well atleast that's one good thing

lol

[wheat wasp]

Yep.
You member when they said Rockband games and Guitar hero would ruin all music. Boy those people who said that stuff were stupid weren't they.

[tropic chasm]

Let's stay on topic please 🙏

[wet shell]

🤓

[charred ocean]

just got realismcraft and i gotta say its good

[rough path]

This isnt really an update discussion message

[charred ocean]

oh yea must have put that in #off-topic sorry

i have got used to this channel every time I open this server

but bruh, combining this with deferred + actions&stuff would be great ig

[prisma niche]

ehh..

[charred ocean]

why does this make me feel like I'm being weird rn 😅

[limber tiger]

Okay so i did the survey mojang created for UI

and yeah, I'm not sure if everyone will say positive things about the state of Bedrock's UI

I said in the survey "put Java or Legacy Console UI on Bedrock"

[fluid wadi]

I may be in the minority, but I vastly prefer Bedrock’s UI style over Java, but I prefer how Java has less delay and that awesome pause screen

[obsidian lark]

Bedrock's new UI style with most of Java's UI layout would be nice.

Most of the Java people I've talked to really like how the new Bedrock UI looks.

Java got a new create world screen a couple years ago. I don't want to accuse the devs of rushing it, but I it just feels out of place compared to the old one. Bedrock's new one is just better overall.

[tawdry dirge]

Hello

[dreamy bison]

yeah the whole ore ui thing looks super great, but it can be a bit finicky to use imo

[past wharf]

It’s looks great but it’s laggy

[cloud moon]

really?

I thought they would hate it

I don't like it that much but it's probably because I'm just so used to the old one

[obsidian lark]

Most of the people I talk to are either data pack devs or mapmakers. They're not really part of the group that hates everything about Bedrock. They can like certain things about it.

As a Java creator myself, I do like Java's UI, but Bedrock's new UI is very slowly becoming my favorite. It does have its issues (mostly in the performance department), but it just has more "character" compared to Java's.

Plus it will be more customizable than Java's once they expose OreUI to us. Java doesn't have data driven UIs, so we need to use shader hacks and abuse custom fonts.

[cloud moon]

wait what does abusing shader hacks and custom fonts look like

This is new to me

[obsidian lark]

A good example would be the MCC Island server. That's about as "custom" as it gets.

[cloud moon]

ahhh I see

[obsidian lark]

And shaders need to be treated as game internals too. There's been times where shaders have been removed or modified. They're not really a "stable" feature.

[charred geode]

oreUI is great because it's based on reactJS which allows to to create UI elements and use them in a programmatic way, meaning if you want to conditionly display them, just use an if statement, if you want to make a grid, just use a for statement, no need for crazy factory, bindings/hard-coded-variables stuff

(or at least, that's what i think reactJS does?)

i don't know how well, is it exactly integrated to the api, but i hope, we can at least access the variables we used to be able to access with jsonUI

[south bay]

Yes, but... in terms of addons where you can stack multiple addons together and they will be able to add hud menu elements without conflicting with other addons...

Im worried about how that will be handled by ore ui

Ik that there is a lot of bad json ui addons that overwrite entire files and don't use modifications, but what about good ones?

Also im worried about performance on low end devices

imagine running browser and minecraft at the same time

and what about js engine

do oreui uses v8 or quickjs? If v8, does that mean we have multiple js engined built into mc?

[charred geode]

it sure comes with a lot of concerns, change is scary after all, but i hope it ends up great

[cerulean quarry]

Yes, we have two engines at the moment, but maybe in the future we could have just one

[south bay]

Ah... So V8 is actually built into mc? Then whats the problem for using it for script api? Why do we still have slow quickjs?

I though that was the license problem

[hoary forge]

v8 without JIT is slower than QuickJS

[south bay]

And mc uses v8 without JIT?

[hoary forge]

For OreUI it might be a different story but who knows

The old scripting engine used v8 and it was slow

Also QuickJS is actually fast but going from C++ to JS and vise-versa is what makes it seem slow

[south bay]

thats understandable, but as you said above v8 with JIT is faster
Did old scripting engine used v8 without JIT?

[hoary forge]

I don't think it did

Some platforms don't allow you to use JIT

[south bay]

So QuickJS is faster because converting C++ stuff into QuickJS data structures is faster then into V8 bytecode?

[south bay]

Is that v8 limitation?

[hoary forge]

No idea

[sonic musk]

does anyone know what's happening with log textures in 1.21.30.22

i can't get it to redirected to a folder via terrain texture

shit gotta be bugged

[rough path]

What does your terrain texture look like?

[sonic musk]

but mangrove and cherry logs do work

stripped ones work

[lunar musk]

Okay let me ask,

Stable this week?

Tomorrow???

Wanna make sure I update my addons appropriately

[rough path]

Likely

[chrome plover]

custom components 😩

[rough path]

D: this isnt a sticker yet

[prisma niche]

So glad my Add-On is ready to be updated when the stable drops.

[chrome plover]

it should be 😏

[rough path]

I will...by tomorrow

[tropic chasm]

#1051300915161858120 🥰

[hasty grotto]

i thought it used chakra

old scripting api channel and 2021 scripting q&a have people mentioning chakra

[lunar musk]

Is there gonna be any surprises or just what's in the preview,..stable is opening up

[sonic musk]

no fix found
this bug might have smth to with the recent flattening

[willow sequoia]

Only suprise will be for everyone who didn't get the memo on HCF being deleted

[languid tinsel]

Wait HCF is being deleted?

[heady sable]

https://tenor.com/view/omg-what-no-way-emoji-shock-gif-24390671

They deleted WHAT...?!!!?!?!?!

[rough path]

Hot Chicken Fries

[languid tinsel]

I added a big permenant banner on Bridge. last week. A while back I added a warning when you turned HCF on in the experiment lists that it was going poof. But now if you open a project with HCF you get this orange warning

[heady sable]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-emoji-dies-gif-21956120

[tropic chasm]

What banner, and why is everyone saying HCF is being removed? Since when?

[prisma niche]

Hahaha I can't wait!

[languid tinsel]

Wait sorry here for Sean. In dark mode 🤣

[willow sequoia]

Some guy I talked to was in full denial mode:
"Maybe they won't remove it, it's a preview feature still, they may reconsider!"

[prisma niche]

😭

[tropic chasm]

Mojang hates developers that's why they are removing an experimental toggle that added lots of work in progress features

[willow sequoia]

Why are they deleting so many good features from the game permanently!

[tropic chasm]

Not even giving second options! Bedrock sucks!!

[willow sequoia]

Scripting? waddya think I am, a computer science major?

[languid tinsel]

Why did they rename so many things?!

[vast bolt]

How do I game test?

[charred geode]

he will finish the cycle of grief eventually

[charred geode]

why would you game test?

[willow sequoia]

@minecraft/sever-gametest

[lunar musk]

I've already tracked that thankfully. Changed all my blocks outside of hcf

Can't wait for everyone to freak out about broken addons

As it's not just version control in the manifest, it's version control in the blocks, items, entities

[willow sequoia]

No backwards compatibility will hurt

[lunar musk]

Yeh

[rough path]

Love

[charred ocean]

chakra?? Why did people name something that is programmatic to like chakra? it literally means a circle or circle shaped object

[hasty grotto]

silly microsoft

[shy elbow]

No stable today?

[rough path]

Today is Monday

[shy elbow]

ok

I am blind

please ignore me

The days are mixing 😂

[willow sequoia]

UPDATE WHEN

KILL HCF FASTER MOJANG PLS I BEG

[charred ocean]

i would like to know who named this js engine as chakra. I'm sure he's a true asian lmao

[charred ocean]

also, yes I forgot to tell it can also be called a cycle or disc because they use the circle shape too.

[dreamy bison]

the dawn of the final day (probably)

[lunar musk]

Better get a fake update next year April with every wishful update ever.

[wheat wasp]

Do you know why it's taking so long?

[willow sequoia]

Update ain't out, that's kinda it lol

[celest sluice]

@prisma niche you're a marketplace partner now?

[prisma niche]

Yes ^^

[chrome plover]

Did you apply or were you invited if you don't mind me asking?

[prisma niche]

Hmm, this is gonna be hard to answer since I don't know what I can share. I am playing it a bit protective right now until stuff is public.

[chrome plover]

That's understanable

[prisma niche]

Yea, but I am allowed to say that I am officially a Marketplace Partner :D

[heady sable]

Congrats \o/

[wheat wasp]

You finally have a domestic partner.

[languid tinsel]

BUT WHY ISN'T IT OUT

[wheat wasp]

Now you'll get to hear, why isn't your addons out yet, why aren't the bugs fixed in it. When is the next releasing coming out?

I need a shirt, that says "Because I'm Lazy, Alright"

[dreamy bison]

i hear that enough as is, can't imagine how much worse it would be with a larger audience like yours or poggy lmao

i'm just not made for the famous life.. 'sigh'

[prisma niche]

My current based on stats is 2-2.4 mil (I also don't think this is a good channel to talk about this (there is no mc updates being discussed))

[dreamy bison]

my bad

[prisma niche]

All good ^^

[wheat wasp]

Don't put me in with Poppy, I'm just some rando, few people know me. Poppy is a rockstar.

[dreamy bison]

damn if you say so

[sleek grail]

Poppy

[lunar musk]

Got some military secrets dang it

[sleek grail]

Like an individual partner or you're on one of the teams?

[rough path]

Individual

Poggy will be psrt of the new batch that will relaunch the partner program

[quasi wedge]

Hopefully getting rid of the teams that work under the actual partner that then hires random addon makers at terrible pay rates to develop something that almost will never exist

[sleek grail]

Doubtful

[simple badger]

I assume 1.21.20 comes out tomorrow?

or today depends on timezone

[charred geode]

today is the day

i have waited for 2 months 😭

[dreamy bison]

youknowhowlongi'vebeenwaitingforthis

[simple badger]

[wet shell]

Stable day

[dreamy bison]

hcf death day

https://tenor.com/view/endgame-now-gif-14938794

[simple badger]

[rough path]

Due to some internal changes, we will be merging 1.21.20 with 1.21.30

[dreamy bison]

[simple badger]

[chrome plover]

🗿 no

[tropic chasm]

Today is the day ma bois

[dreamy bison]

probably yeah

[limber tiger]

99% today is stable because Dedicated Servers are supporting .20 version

[rough path]

@chrome plover

[chrome plover]

Less go! Now we're ready for the update

[charred geode]

i will come to your house and murder you lol

[rough path]

Due to recent threats, 1.21.20 and all future 1.21.XX will be merged with 1.22.10

[charred geode]

noooooo it made it worse 😭

[celest sluice]

So what happens to 1.22?

[rough path]

1.22 content will be released, it just won't have the non next major update content from 1.21.XX

[dreamy bison]

1.22 will actually be merged with 1.23

[willow sequoia]

Due to recent complaints, Mojang has paused all future updates and content will be released in Minecraft 2.0.0

[chrome plover]

caves and cliff part 5 😭

[hasty grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/late-night-with-jimmy-fallon-horse-silly-silly-face-silly-horse-gif-18348351

stable?

[tropic chasm]

Changelogs are out!

[hasty grotto]

wowzers

[wet shell]

Link

[tropic chasm]

nuh uh

I just like trolling in days like this

[willow sequoia]

https://feedback.minecraft.net/hc/en-us/articles/27737332869133-Minecraft-1-21-20-Bedrock Yippee!

[foggy isle]

gg

[hasty grotto]

https://feedback.minecraft.net/hc/en-us/articles/360004125752-Minecraft-1-21-30-Bedrock

[chrome plover]

https://tenor.com/view/mods-cat-funny-smite-gif-17567204071102087896

[rough path]

I shall do all three

[limber tiger]

Someone can check if it's out on mobile

[hasty grotto]

remember what harya did

grrrrr

[celest sluice]

The changelog is real now

[limber tiger]

https://feedback.minecraft.net/hc/en-us/articles/29110275666957-Minecraft-1-21-20-Bedrock

[willow sequoia]

It's real! The one piece is real!

[stoic orchid]

Happy Stable Release Day!

[willow sequoia]

Happy HCF deathday!

[celest sluice]

I will be attending its funeral

[chrome plover]

Holidays are finally over!

[limber tiger]

and tomorrow Bundle day 😉

[dreamy bison]

me and the boys at hcf funeral

[tropic chasm]

Avengers... ASEMBLE!!!

[wheat wasp]

Is it happening?

[willow sequoia]

yep!

[rough path]

Yep, #1272945882865864755

[rich vault]

Waiting for the next preview, in 24 hours

[wheat wasp]

https://tenor.com/view/paul-rudd-look-at-us-who-woulda-thought-who-wouldve-thought-antman-gif-15382903

[grave osprey]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[toxic horizon]

Are all add-ons broken?

[rough path]

Nope

[fluid wadi]

Only ones that use the experimental Holiday Creator Features

[toxic horizon]

oh

[celest sluice]

Or Beta APIs

[tropic chasm]

My game has finally updated

[dawn fable]

only my survival world
99% of my worlds are "My World"

[prisma niche]

same.

[south bay]

Actually i don't have anything important on my pc only, most of that stuff lives under git repository so i donit bother myself updating

[wheat wasp]

I'd never trust git as backup. thats insane

[vast bolt]

only insane if you don't trust the service hosting your git repo

otherwise completely sane and reasonable!

[wheat wasp]

I disagree. Git repo are prime targets for attacks. Even wrose many are protected by crowd strike and went down during their crash. I'd highly suggest not using git as a backup and make sure you have safe offline copies in duplicate of anything you sell or others depend on.

Because github has because the only places to get alot of dependent code. I expect it to be hit hard over the next few years and would expect a masssive data loss.

No one yet has proven to be able to stop hackers when they want in. If they decided to do online terrorism github/large git storage is one of the first targets to hit.

and if you don't think we can loss data... look at all the data lost to crypto locking just in healthcare. Some entire counties lost their patient records.

If you think oh it's fine it's secure. You only have to look in to the SSH hack and how long they planed that to see the risk is very high.

[vast bolt]

A big company like github probably has backup servers of git repos. As for healthcare, it is decently well known to use lots of outdated software and be terrible at security. For big companies then yes, multiple backups including offline ones are definitely a good idea but for the average person using git to backup their addons is harmless imo

[languid tinsel]

Github also powers github so it's suuuper dog fooded as well

[tropic chasm]

Chat

[wheat wasp]

Did you miss the 5.8 million computers crashed, many never coming back because they were encrypted and the keys are lost on encrypted computers.

Its not hard for an opps to wipe an entire company these days. Those offline backups are encrypted. So a simply opps could make it all useless.

Don't trust anyone else with your data but yourself.

[heady sable]

live_events.button.m-inecraftLive

[toxic horizon]

minecraft is buggin out a lot

Can't join realms, can't invite people because of "not connected to Microsoft account" even though the person is in the game

The realm owner can't even access the settings for his realms

[heady sable]

Multiple people have that issue. Standby and wait until Mojang can resolve it

[rough path]

So much for stable release...thanks navi for jinxing it lol

[toxic horizon]

lol

[heady sable]

@toxic horizon Can you try again?

[wheat wasp]

https://tenor.com/view/jack-drowning-titanic-bye-gif-12081961

I wanted the Titanic epic goodbye for HCF

but I got https://youtu.be/yyLUn-IehQI way to go 2024

[toxic horizon]

not working

[heady sable]

Sad

[toxic horizon]

someone in VC said they can get on

nvm, they can click on the world now, but can't load into the world

The live event thing is gone now

[limber tiger]

https://x.com/smokeystack_/status/1823522182401536498?s=46

SmokeyStack (@SmokeyStack_) on X

It appears that an aim assist camera preset will be coming to #Minecraft Bedrock, likely in 1.21.40

Twitter · Aug 14, 2024, 12:49 AM

If I get this right

Does this mean you can force a player to look at something

Or idk

[stoic orchid]

not really - it's more like "snapping" to objects. Makes it easier to control when using cameras that are detached from players. Stay tuned for more information.

[rough path]

Thats what focus target is

Correct me if im wrong

[limber tiger]

I wasn’t expecting you to be here 😂

[stoic orchid]

I'm everywhere

[limber tiger]

Thanks for info

[limber tiger]

Okay Kayla is actually in my closet

Can you please get out of my house…?

[rough path]

Also wow that was fast

[limber tiger]

Oh yeah as soon I saw the tweet I needed more info to make sure I get this right

I lost hope for bundles to be part of .30

It’s more likely .40

[tribal torrent]

official minecraft FPS gamemode?

[kind rivet]

preview day today

[limber tiger]

and snapshot day too

They started changing the bug summary to be clean

so yeah

[lapis sierra]

Wonder what they'll add to this beta for blocks and items that doesn't work.

[rough path]

Liquid component

[lapis sierra]

The child they added to the "minecraft:destructible_by_mining" actually did work, correct? We were using it wrong or something.

[rough path]

Yes, horribly named though

[lapis sierra]

Liquid component would be pretty nice

[tropic chasm]

You have some high hopes

minecraft:container too 🙏

[dawn fable]

if we get liquids before basic solidity im going to perish

[rough path]

We were discussing what component will be horrendously broken when first introduced

[rough path]

Solidity is the new air tag

[tropic chasm]

Ohhhhh, thought you expected it for next preview

[dawn fable]

no air tag can wait
solid > liquid > gas

[tropic chasm]

gas?

You want to make a bomb?

I now doubt of your true intentions

minecraft:container with keep_on_destroy parameter would be more than handy

[dawn fable]

correlating gas with bombs? not something my peaceful brain would think of. clearly YOU are the danger

[rough path]

I need decorated pots to be exposed to scriptapi

[tropic chasm]

I have been exposed 😬

[tropic chasm]

I should probably make a feedback post to suggest some block components like this

[dawn fable]

i think containers would have to come with a larger block entity system

[tropic chasm]

I still think something like runtime identifiers would be implemented in some way to blocks 🤔

Block traits is one way to visualize it

[rough path]

No runtime

I hate runtime ids

[tropic chasm]

Containers have always been linked to entities, yeah, but a container block component can still be a thing

[dawn fable]

if they add a connection trait it would be cool if it was client side as well so there isnt any delays with connections

[tropic chasm]

Same, but you know what I mean

Block traits are some sort of runtime id

[rough path]

Not really

[tropic chasm]

Yeah, sort of

[rough path]

Not at all

[tropic chasm]

still a long way for the connectable block trait to be there

Been waiting for it for the past what, 9 months

And minecraft:climbable my beloved

another thing that would be handy

Custom blocks future is bright, very interested to see what we’ll get next

[sleek grail]

Didn't the update article on 1.21.20 mention block connectivity as a separate thing from redstone

[tropic chasm]

That doesn’t mean really means anything for the connectable block traits

[rough path]

Surely, the return of custom biomes for Bedrock

[celest sluice]

Lol

[chrome plover]

I need custom collision boxes for making stairs 🤞

[rough path]

BORING. I need that to make bumpy grass

[chrome plover]

lol good idea

[lavish ocean]

Not good enough. Tallgrass collision needs to match its texture with 100% accuracy.

[rough path]

that requires randomised collission offset as well

[lavish ocean]

good

[dreamy bison]

with hcf killed now i do hope they will focus on biomes a bit meow

right i didn't say meow idk what autocorrect is trying to paint me as

im not a cat girl i promise

[balmy spire]

💀

[limber tiger]

Kayla typing...

[stoic orchid]

Preview is looking like tomorrow.

[limber tiger]

I ain't liking this

HERE WE GO

😂

[rough path]

Likely advanced structures first then biomes

[dreamy bison]

ah well i ain't gonna complain

[limber tiger]

and no snapshot today neither

[lavish ocean]

yeah i'd prefer they do that first actually

though ik i have no say in mojang's roadmap

[balmy spire]

yeee i would rather that as well actually

[wet shell]

thank you for telling us

🙏

[languid tinsel]

Preview day?

[languid tinsel]

Oh nvm

[dreamy bison]

coming in here acting like you aren't they one delaying them

[stoic orchid]

Thomas broke the button, again.

[wet shell]

thomas sabotaged realms so he could delay the preview

💀

[dreamy bison]

when will his reign of terror come to a stop

[rotund pivot]

Wait so is preview today or tomorrow?

[foggy isle]

tomorrow

GG

[rotund pivot]

😔

😔

[foggy isle]

yes'

[rotund pivot]

😔

😔

😔.

[prisma niche]

Haha, lots of people ain't happy that HCF is gone.

[dreamy bison]

really?

i mean i've seen a couple

[prisma niche]

"Grr it's Mojang's fault for not giving us a head's up" or "Grr mojang bad thx for breking my favorit addon"

[balmy spire]

yeah that’s all i’ve been seeing lol

[dreamy bison]

lol

[balmy spire]

addons are gonna get so much better now

more higher quality

[dreamy bison]

i mean i suppose i sort of can understand the frustration from non-addon creators

[balmy spire]

yeah

they likely don’t know/are confused

[dreamy bison]

if you have an addon you have enjoyed that no longer works because they dev can't/wont update it, that does suck

but it's for the better overall

[balmy spire]

yeah

[rough path]

I shall continue to shitpost then

[balmy spire]

lol

[prisma niche]

Yea so somehow it's Mojang's fault for doing something good for Add-Ons.

[balmy spire]

me when mojang improves addons: grrr

[languid tinsel]

Excuse me! You didn't tell me not to put my drink next to it!

[rough path]

QA not making quality decisions?

[quasi wedge]

That's not their job

it's quality ASSURANCE

[tropic chasm]

Does someone in this chat plays Minecraft?

[balmy spire]

hmm

is it new?

i’ve never heard of it

what is it about?
-# not even on any supervision, look at his bio, he’s literally lying bruh

[wet shell]

just update the addon bruv

[tropic chasm]

lol

[wet shell]

use custom components or something

[balmy spire]

lol

[wheat wasp]

Make sure you vote in my HCF end of life good/bad survey. #off-topic message

[limber tiger]

Look at their names

[celest sluice]

What are they cooking?

[balmy spire]

wait what

what are they doing

[celest sluice]

It's past 12 where I am

[balmy spire]

kingsnapperz

[charred ocean]

Hi everywhere :D

[high stone]

maybe we could get a snapshot tmr?
after all when there are big snapshots they can sometimes release on other days than wednesday
remember when 24w11a added the mace? well,it was released on a thursday
maybe the next snapshot could release tmr and add the bundle as a (hopefully) stable feature,who knows?

[charred ocean]

chiwi and jappa haven't changed their names

it's only a few people

[high stone]

slicedlime too didn't change his name

[limber tiger]

Ikr but it’s fun to notice it

[charred ocean]

ye

[dreamy bison]

oh snap

[charred ocean]

cory came to chat just an hour ago btw

[dreamy bison]

i think this is hinting at

thanos collab

[charred ocean]

he chatted with the people there just a bit ago

[limber tiger]

I don’t look there

[eternal shoal]

What is hfc

[simple badger]

Holiday Creator Features

[eternal shoal]

ooh that funny switch in settings

[simple badger]

Most addons used it

[balmy spire]

thanos collab confirmed

[rich vault]

Alright so.. how does one sign out of your account in Minecraft?

[wheat wasp]

lol

[rich vault]

It's that bad huh

[chrome plover]

Xbox app

[rich vault]

Signed out of there, didn't work

[chrome plover]

huh

[rich vault]

Ok restarting PC did it. It's honestly just stupid that bedrock on some platforms has a button for signing out in the settings, while PC apparently doesn't.

[charred geode]

maybe launch the game offline and try to sign out

never mind

[wheat wasp]

It was a lol of pain.

[rich vault]

Yeah I hate that we have to use some involved workarounds for what should be a simple button click

[wheat wasp]

yep

Yet in the game we have account, and a place for it. But because Microsoft control issues...

I hope after google MS is next honestly

[wheat wasp]

You're almost better off setting up multi windows accounts and switch login of windows, might be faster

[heady sable]

It's tied to your Xbox app, which makes the whole system so much more annoying to change

Like I have different Xbox Live accounts for a reason. But I have to change them all to the same one in order to play Minecraft with the correct one

Or even to log out yeah

[languid tinsel]

I haven't had too many issues weirdly. I switch between two accounts and two QA accounfs

[burnt flicker]

chat

my addons broke :DDDDDD

im so happy rn

mojang devs are so smart

[willow sequoia]

The perils of using experimental

[wheat wasp]

I think you mean your experimental addons failed.

The experiment failed.

Do you know what God last message to man was? According to Douglas Adams?

https://tenor.com/view/i-apologize-for-any-incnvenience-elder-garth-south-park-s3e9-jewbilee-gif-21713469

[burnt flicker]

🤓 ☝️

bucko

the shi dont work no more

[wet shell]

update it then

[rough path]

It's called experimental for a reason. Besides, 90% of the stuff was stable so you didnt need to rely on the toggle

[burnt flicker]

bru

ur talking like this my fault

when devs nuked my stuff 💀

[rough path]

It kind of is

[sleek grail]

I think there's a game file you need to edit or starting it offline

[wheat wasp]

You "shipped/used/didn't understand HCF" experimental stuff. It is clearly your issue.

Not only did you use it, and not understand what you were doing. but you weren't connected to the community to hear us telling you to not use it, or fix your addons for 6months to a year.

So double on you. Hard lesson to learn.

[simple badger]

Damn lmao

[dusty shale]

lol

[celest sluice]

And coming from the guy who rejects scripting too. Double wammy!

[twin radish]

https://tenor.com/view/popcorn-guy-relaxing-popcorm-popcorn-gif-26404903

[simple badger]

[hoary forge]

Why is Minecraft running in 4k???

Also my monitor is 1080p-?

[lapis sierra]

Weird bug

WHY PREVIEW STILL NO WORK??

just keeps crashing on startup

[tropic chasm]

I told you not to play Minecraft on a NASA PC King

[tribal torrent]

i wonder whats cooking in preview tomorrow

[half depot]

Likely small

[elfin flower]

well it has been pushed back to tomorrow so there must be something big

[tribal torrent]

kayla give us a thick preview

i will virtually kiss every mojang dev on this server if they release playstation deferred tomorrow

[half depot]

Coulda been cuz of the hotfix

But idk if those tend to push previews back

Oh I forgor to disable ping my b

[hoary forge]

hotfixes can release at the same time as previews

[half depot]

Alright ruling that out then lol

[tribal torrent]

maybe 1.21.22 tomorrow too

[charred ocean]

You have a ps4? :O

[tribal torrent]

pretty sure its playstation 4 pro using checkerboarding to get to 4k

[tribal torrent]

preview day today?

:doggysmurkW:

[stiff anvil]

Removed the "Holiday Creator Features" experiment
Content that uses the experimental features may no longer function correctly
Please check out Custom Components which replicates most of the functionality: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/minecraft/creator/documents/customcomponents

Why ?

[dusty shale]

[sleek grail]

Because HCF is old, terrible and buggy

[prisma niche]

Yet people say it was good..

[oak sinew]

I would otherwise sympathize with people who are upset about HCF being removed, because of the possibility that they were unable to be reached and notified of the impending removal....

.... if it weren't for the fact that they heavily relied on features that were always stated to be experimental to begin with.

It's like intentionally holding a metal rod in a thunderstorm and then getting mad at the storm for striking you with lightning.

[rich vault]

Hopefully this experience will change the mindset around experimental features

from "ooo cool that fancy toggle enables more features" to "if I use this, it can be broken or removed any time"

[prisma niche]

I feel like what they did here is going to teach a lot of people a lesson about experimental features and why you shouldn't build content around them.

[rich vault]

cough cough RenderDragon Features For Creators

[prisma niche]

that doesn't count

[rich vault]

Imagine if deferred gets deprecated in todays preview

technically that could happen

Removed RenderDragon Features For Creators, please use spawnParticle API instead

[eternal shoal]

🥲

[heady sable]

Veka is right, although it sounds like something cool to have, but it is still experimental after all, meaning in some universe it will be deprecated or even removed

[stiff anvil]

c'est vrai 😉

[burnt flicker]

thats so sigma batman bro

[burnt flicker]

alright smartass bros telling me off like a school teacher 💀 grow a pair man come on how is it my fault devs removed the thing that kept addons running for years ☠️ do u hear urself rn

[prisma niche]

But to be fair the warning isn't that clear.

[sleek grail]

It definitely is

Maybe not that one specifically though

They started making changes to HCF around 1.19.50, everything but events was stable by 1.20.20, and we've known that 1.21.10 was meant to remove HCF several months prior

[carmine kettle]

The feature was never supported and released. They were fun prototypes, toys that were on trial run. Think of them as being recalled—not your fault that they are gone, but anyone who liked using them will need to turn in their old stuff and get the new model

It does kinda suck that they were removed after being in the game so long, the feature had not changed and almost seemed supported. I was expecting that it would just sit there until the course of time rendered those components unusable (as deprecated functionality tends to work), like some of the old Molang queries

[plush wedge]

We should encourage people to use experimental features, because testing and giving feedback on them is what helps them become not experimental anymore.
So let's not portray relying on experiments as foolish; it's the foundational projects that are most useful for that kind of feedback.
Still, with an experiment stagnant for so long, it's easy to get too comfy, so frustrating when the rug finally gets pulled. It's just a feeling, so I think it's fair to share without having to either blame the devs or invalidate the feeling. Let's do our best to help our dear friends who tested the experiments -- and helped them get finalized -- have a smooth transition to the new APIs 🙂

[rich vault]

On one hand, we should use them to provide feedback, on the other hand we shouldn't use them because they are unstable. I feel conflicted.

[carmine kettle]

In an ideal world, experimental features would change slowly and be adapted into their modern, stable forms, in just the same way as Scripting. But this is a particularly bad example of that

I still think the devs did their best given the situation though

[plush wedge]

Experiments that change every week are honestly a lot better, since your project using them is fresh in your mind and probably small, so you can make incremental changes as the experiment evolves

[carmine kettle]

That says my idea better, yeah

[plush wedge]

And you'd never even consider releasing an addon in that state

[prisma niche]

Honestly wish we still had the query to get the biome an entity is in.

[carmine kettle]

Do you think it would have made a difference, between either deprecating those old components or removing them? Either way it would stop working eventually, just one's fate would be more prolonged than the other

[wheat wasp]

100% of my addons still working, not one single issue with HCF. Why? Because I have wisdom and understanding and didnt use experimental features.

I also warned the community many times, made videos about it and directly told people its a bad idea.

Ive said for 4 years dont use experimental features.

What did you do? Ignored all warnings, all alerts, all common sense, all wisdom... and your experiment failed because of it.

Grow a pair and adult up. Take responsibility for your choices.

You also had 6 months to a year to say something, update you features and be ready. You also failed to do that even.

Only someone with a lack of understanding or experience would use experimental features without planning for their failure or removal.

[wet shell]

Interesting

[hoary forge]

Yeah!! :D

[obsidian lark]

I think keeping them around would encourage bad practices. Especially since old tutorials exist.

[plush wedge]

I don't use experiments either, but doing so is not a bad idea. If no one uses the experiments they will never be stabilized.

[eternal shoal]

I can only hope that this won't happen to deferred 🥹

[sleek grail]

^

[heady sable]

I doubt it would happen to deferred, but it isn't impossible

[wheat wasp]

You mean like superduper pack and rtx, and shaders before it. yeah. Id prepare

[wheat wasp]

This is 100% wrong.

What and how you use them matters.

should you test them and give feedback. Yes.

should you make addons and ship those to customers or build worlds with them? No thats stupid. Pure stupid.

[heady sable]

I think the best way to use experiments is just to 'use' the API directly for what it is needed, without looking into it too much. SmokeyStack does that as a good example, like create a new block with a certain property to test whether the thing works

For example, I tried it with minecraft:redstone_conductive but it showed not working, which is useful feedback for the developers (and they know about it)

[plush wedge]

If MS wanted to prevent adding experimental add-ons to worlds they could easily do it, but they don't, so clearly they find it acceptable. I do likewise

[wheat wasp]

Yes they did. they required a toggle and you to accept the risks and even click you understand the risks.

You seem to lack the ability to understand this even today. Maybe find an expert and trust their advice instead of your own going forward. Because this isn't even close to logical or how a dev studio would run their projects on any eco system.

[plush wedge]

I already said I don't use experiments

[sleek grail]

Insane

[plush wedge]

But I'm grateful for people who do, and don't belittle them

[eternal shoal]

It's different, Mojang never want to support shaders, SDGP was never released and RTX is still in game(broken, but it's there)

but there are chances, all I can do is pray 🙏

[cloud moon]

They did with Hal engine

[wheat wasp]

We should call out people who have damaging SOP and dev processes.
Using experimental features for production products is bad business and bad dev. Because of events like this and their damage to the community.

[heady sable]

Shaders were never supported, doesn't mean they didn't work. There is a difference

[sleek grail]

Pretty much everyone publishing stuff that uses experiments is a hobbyist

[wheat wasp]

Then they shouldnt care too much, if their hobby failed right?

Im see most of the have given their hobbyst projects to others or promissed/set expectations theyd keep working.

Both are bad business.

If you make something and give it to another person thats no longer a hobbyist. Even if money didnt trade hands. You provided a product to a customer. You are a business and legally liable even. Like it or not.
A hobbyist never provides content to others to consume. Once you do, you are a professional.

[heady sable]

Sorry, but what are you trying to prove with this comment?

[sleek grail]

Publishing your work for others to see and use doesn't make it a business

[oak sinew]

My previous comment that I was referring to in the analogy was about relying on Experimental features, not merely using them.

[cloud moon]

A whole nothing burger

[wheat wasp]

Most hobbyists arent hobbyists because they have people they have provided a service or product to.

They might have started that way or think they arent one. But a lemonade stand even giving away free lemonade is still a business. Even if they are using an experimental recipe. Countless law suits over it.

[plush wedge]

How does one create a project that merely uses but does not rely on a feature?

[oak sinew]

For fun

[wet shell]

Well I mean rtx did release but was abandoned

[oak sinew]

Not a dedicated passion project.

[cloud moon]

Got the money and dipped

Pretty sad rtx is great just a lot of bugs

[wheat wasp]

Did you know you could be legally sued for knowing releasing a faulty product even if it was free. If you are a hobbyist and you give someone your creation for their entertainment. That now makes you a business. Like it or not. Knowingly providing a experimental product as stable is illegal in many places.

[plush wedge]

Bro so true let's sue Microsoft

[wet shell]

Mojang committing crimes now

💀

[sleek grail]

While yes that isn't the primary motivation for hobbyists, again just uploading your content online for people to use doesn't make you a business. This is something the law differentiates between

[wheat wasp]

Microsoft warned you.

And you agreed to the terms.

[oak sinew]

If I want to create a complex mod that develops over the months/years, I'm not going to use experimental features because that's just a terrible idea, and now you're working on the hopes that the experiment doesn't get cut off.

But a project that's done within a week or few is not usually something one would take as seriously, and mainly it's about testing ideas and seeing if they work.

[wheat wasp]

Your customers did not.

[plush wedge]

Sure they did, they hit the same toggle to apply the addon

[sleek grail]

They enabled experiments, they agreed to it too

[cloud moon]

This is the same guy that said amethyst launcher was illegal

[sleek grail]

That still doesn't make you a business

[wheat wasp]

But you didnt provide the terms of service for your reasponsibilty for your product. Remember the TOS says addons are your product and Mojang isnt liable for them. You are.
You have to tell your customers this isnt stable too.

[plush wedge]

I have been found liable for using experiments and will comply by paying the full $0 in damages owed to my customers 😔

[cloud moon]

This addon shit getting real tough

Stay safe my homie

Mcpedl and modbay are doomed 😭

[wheat wasp]

Its their IP. and they have 5 TOS covering their terms. You have 0.

[wet shell]

Get ready for Java YouTubers to bully bedrock more than ever

[sleek grail]

Because?

[wheat wasp]

Sure it does. At the point you provide a service, give or sell a product or perform and professional level task in a competitive sport you are now a pro/business.

[wet shell]

“MoJanG reMoveD BEDrock modding”

[heady sable]

Cyber bullying? Just go off your computer and go outside

[wet shell]

Hcf being removed aswell as pdb files and realms being down

[rough path]

Woah, a productive conversation revolving around HCF

[sleek grail]

Intent matters, under us law you're only a business if your intent was to make a profit

[wet shell]

They won’t understand that it was a experimental feature

[wheat wasp]

All the changed together is odd. We talked about it yesterday. Why do all this?
Maybe minecraft MMO coming next. So they have to lockdown server tech?

[languid tinsel]

Anytime happened

[wheat wasp]

lol.

[wet shell]

I mean we are getting a featured mmorpg server soon

[wet shell]

(I have early access but my game crashes when I join)

And all they say is “wait for Microsoft to fix”

[wheat wasp]

Mojang saying they have no dev budget to fix and do stuff. Then spend months of tech budget on protecting shit no one is stealing.

[sleek grail]

?

[wet shell]

Oh well

Anyway

Preview day

Imagine more deferred goodies today

[heady sable]

My guess it is only some smaller bugfixes or changes, nothing new or anything

[wheat wasp]

Intent doesnt remove your liability. Yes in some cases intent can help you in front of a judge or jury.

But intent doesnt excuse stupidity.

[rough path]

Bundles

[sleek grail]

I'm not saying you can't be sued for a faulty product, but it doesn't mean you're a business

[wheat wasp]

Its obviously against normal and standard business practices to use experimental features in customer facing products. Pure an simple..

[heady sable]

I was replying to big eddy about deferred

[languid tinsel]

No matter how HCF was handled people would likely be unhappy. It was a 4 year long experiment, the band aid had to be ripped at some point. The vast majority had direct replacements introduced.

It's clear that the platform team have learnt not to do long experiments that don't change. We get things experimental and they often ship fast, ie within 2-3 updates.

[sleek grail]

Can you really blame people for using something that's had no changes in over 3 years, it was the norm at the time

[languid tinsel]

Or if it stays experimental, it's changing. Ie deferred isn't static

[sleek grail]

You can however blame them for throwing a tantrum about it being removed now

[rough path]

Bundles PBR

[rough path]

I can blame people for not picking up on the changes from exp to stable and not updating their packs

[languid tinsel]

Theoretically a lot of things could have been moved over and things would be less broken

[rough path]

I can see how its similar to the frog bioling water pot scenario. Slowly release things out of exp for long enough people wont know its all stable now

[wheat wasp]

I agree, which is why I fought for months to warn them. However, its still 100% on them to be prepared and aware.

Are moat new and entity level creators able to do this and setup for failure by Mojang? Yep.

Is Mojang share fault. Yep.
Does the community: Nope. We've talked about this daily for 6 months.

While I understand and its sad many creators dont have a basic concept of these things. But its still on their shoulders to learn it the easy way, or the hard way.

Mojang could have always prevented this.

[heady sable]

The norm is what the community made, but that did not align with the view of Mojang. That is the fault of the community

[sleek grail]

Which is what I said

[languid tinsel]

It probably would have been way more work but I wonder if removing a component (for example) from HCF when it stabilised might have worked?

Slowly pick it apart in sections?

[wheat wasp]

I work with lots of corps so I expect their experiments to fail. Now hopefully youll all do that to, knowing what you know now.

When HCF came out, Id already been burned many times. So Id already learned this lesson the hard way.

[burnt flicker]

i aint reading allat pal

also don't think you realise um no one knows who the fuck you are so no one heard ur warnings 💀

also I DIDNT MAKE THE ADDON IM COMPLAINING ABOUT IM MOANING ABOUT IT NOT WORKING ANYMORE

pls learn to read lil bro

[plush wedge]

So please have some sympathy for those in your very shoes and help them update in an unjudgmental and friendly manner

[prisma niche]

No reason to be rude.

[plush wedge]

Which addons were you using? Have you reached out to the creators to ask them?

[wet shell]

Then just wait for the creator to update the addon

To custom components

[simple badger]

Crazy how agitated people get

[odd coral]

fr ffs

oops ping

[limber tiger]

Do you think it’s bundle day ?

[high stone]

Yeah it probably will be

[wet shell]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-burning-brain-chaos-gif-5764900

Bedrock realms rn:

[half depot]

Ik the whole realms issue is bad but am I the only person who sees this as less of an issue than it genuinely is

People are making it sound like the world is ending because their realm doesn't work

Or their addons don't work

Oh no realms are down, just save the realms world and play on it locally for a bit with some people from it

I've seen some literal wild takes about realms being down

Granted I mean it still sucks realms are down. I'm not saying it's not a problem because it is, people are paying for these,

[obsidian lark]

It's ok @plush wedge, I got you. As a fellow expert I completely agree with you. We need people to use experimental features for feedback and stuff. I personally use them to keep my projects on the bleeding edge as I develop them.

Obviously I move things to stable as they're released.

[stoic orchid]

How's everyone doing today?

[wet shell]

I’m pretty good

[prisma niche]

I'm doing good, thanks! ^^ How about you?

[stoic orchid]

I'm good! It's certainly been a week 🙂

[prisma niche]

Yea, sad to see the problems with realms :c It was probably a last-minute problem too :<

[rich vault]

Yeah quite a week. I hope today's preview can make up for it 😅

[stoic junco]

bad things happens in production

[rough path]

Surely, 1.21.22 today?

A little birdie told me HCF is returning today 😱

[balmy spire]

oh dear

[wet shell]

💀

[balmy spire]

bros having visions

[sonic musk]

eat the bird

[rich vault]

https://tenor.com/view/mcdonalds-chicken-nuggets-nuggets-fast-food-chicken-mcnuggets-gif-26925074

[wet shell]

https://tenor.com/view/bird-word-familyguy-gif-5751614

[balmy spire]

i think he meant KFC

not HCF

[rich vault]

so true

[chrome plover]

Kentucky Creator Features when

[balmy spire]

true

[wet shell]

Finger lickin api when

[chrome plover]

boneless wing component

[balmy spire]

😭

lmao

[stoic orchid]

yeah it's a weird problem. But lots of folks working on it. Just going to take time.

[rough path]

Time ApI when?