General Discussion

[half depot]

I applied a mer to a lava bucket and wanted only certain things to glow and it's either a lightbulb or it does nothing

[rough path]

Only block mer works properly lolol

Entities, particles, items? Nah

[sonic musk]

misinformation
entities work

[rough path]

Warden?

Horses?

[sonic musk]

welp
some blocks have their own issues
so does some entities

the list is

•Banner - doesn't work 
•Bell - doesn't work - doesn't cast shadows
•The beacon beam - doesn't work but devs are aware
•The piston arm - doesn't work
•Horse - doesn't work
•The llamas and their carpet - doesn't work
•Shield patterns - doesn't work
•Warden - black texture with bioluminescent layer material but using default in render controller works 
•Hanging signs - doesn't work
•Signs - doesn't work
•Enchanting table book - doesn't work 
•Candles - don't work 
•The end portal texture in the entity files- What is the purpose of this file but still doesn't work anyway
•The paintings - don't work 
•The guardian beam - doesn't work
•Riptide spinning texture - doesn't work
•Skull and heads - doesn't work
•Conduit - doesn't work

[wet shell]

How about particles get fixed

So I can actually play realism craft with deferred

[sonic musk]

how about all issues get fixed

[wet shell]

That probably won’t be until all the features are implemented

[wet shell]

Signs work for me?

And I thought they fixed the banner bug

[sonic musk]

???
could you show me

[wet shell]

One sec

[sonic musk]

i mean the pbr of the sign

[wet shell]

Oh

You mean pbr

[sonic musk]

ofc

[wet shell]

Idk about that

I thought you were talking about bugs with those blocks

Like how the text wasn’t on the sign

[sonic musk]

lol
no we are talkinga bout pbr

[half depot]

Most of the bugs RTX has are not present here lol

[stoic orchid]

wow! good memory! One year since this article: https://www.minecraft.net/en-us/creator/article/new-render-dragon-features-creators

Nothing planned to celebrate. Just a normal preview day 🙂

[prisma niche]

Hello Kayla! ^^

[stoic orchid]

Hello Poggy!

[prisma niche]

Awesome day today? :p

[rough path]

This person is truly awesome

[prisma niche]

Guess what I am gonna do :P

What preview was deferred added? qwq I forgot

[lapis sierra]

Damn I can't think of anything funny

[sonic musk]

1.20.30.20

[tropic chasm]

because you're not funny

[charred ocean]

IM UP

[rich vault]

1.20.30.20

[lapis sierra]

No you

[prisma niche]

thx

[rough path]

Copycat

[willow sequoia]

https://tenor.com/view/wall-of-text-sebi-gif-3902865978262177436

[rough path]

....

Bro did not read my message

.

[tropic chasm]

https://tenor.com/view/darth-jar-jar-gif-3062122846964429584

[prisma niche]

I wanted to go back and compare that release with current :(

[rich vault]

Whoops my bad

[wet shell]

Aw man

I remember when I almost had a heart attack that day!

Ah yes

[charred ocean]

changing yo name from poggyislit to poggyislegend?

[wet shell]

Good ole days

[simple badger]

Oh hey, thats me

[wet shell]

Mhm

[simple badger]

[lapis sierra]

https://youtu.be/IbB7iU_DpK4?si=rsPyIwqca5JWEB_d

[charred ocean]

version switchers exists

[prisma niche]

Mine no worky

And I got important files I can't backup.

[charred ocean]

Why not try recreate it then?

as a comparison pack

The first release didn't have features as much as we have rn

[wet shell]

Just get a default deferred pack and turn volumetric fog and reflections off

[prisma niche]

The water will not look old.

[wet shell]

And it looks like 1.20.30 deferred

Oh

[prisma niche]

Or just go to a .10 preview where we didn't have ssr

hmm, yep.

[stoic orchid]

Don't spend all your time looking back today... you might need time looking forward 🙂

[wet shell]

👀

[prisma niche]

Deferred came a long way too and man I am excited for the future of it!

[charred ocean]

same here :D

Also...

[languid tinsel]

Happy preview day!

[wet shell]

Custom fluffy clouds for deferred when

[chrome plover]

Minecraft 2.0 🙀

[charred ocean]

Happy preview day brb

[prisma niche]

I think volumetric clouds can run on mobile.

[stoic orchid]

Don't lose the button this time.

[charred ocean]

no. more like beta day

[wet shell]

Fake it with cubemaps

[languid tinsel]

wait you don't have it?

[simple badger]

[wet shell]

Just like caustics

[elfin flower]

yes.

source: that one unity game with 30gb+ size.

[charred ocean]

yes it's with you, check your work desk bruh

https://tenor.com/view/stimpy-red-button-press-the-ren-and-stimpy-show-gif-17543120

[wet shell]

I might have it

https://tenor.com/view/dog-cheesing-absolute-goodball-he-is-very-silly-yay-gif-18203697239781376254

[stoic orchid]

oh wow.. Ren and Stimpy... that goes back a ways.

[charred ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-launch-button-helmet-redbutton-gif-4812571

me if i had the button

fr

[charred ocean]

I miss watching cartoon as a kid 😭😭😭

[rich vault]

Buttons 👍
Toggles 👎

[celest sluice]

So new preview cycle, or wrapping things up?

[dreamy bison]

new i think

[charred ocean]

check after release

[prisma niche]

I think a new cycle.

[celest sluice]

bundle today?

[stoic orchid]

Stay tuned!

[celest sluice]

You're killing us with the suspense!

[dreamy bison]

if it's still 1.21.20 i will do something diabolical

[rich vault]

Sounds like something cool will release today

[tropic chasm]

KAYLA WHEN CONNECTABLE BLOCK TRAIT

I NEED ANSWERS

[wet shell]

MOAR BUTTONS

[stoic orchid]

Still a ways 😦

[dreamy bison]

it will come one day connectionbros

[tropic chasm]

😭

[rough path]

Confirmed, time API coming

[celest sluice]

When we get custom client entities for blocks 😏

[dreamy bison]

im hoping they will do something about the block interact custom component being a bit annoying to use in this preview

[rough path]

/tick coming

[celest sluice]

Speaking of which, wouldn't it be awesome if we could summon and manage client entities from scripts?

[charred ocean]

in curious kayla, what is your fav TV cartoon you stopped watching rn?

[stoic orchid]

what the heck are those?

[tropic chasm]

No

[dreamy bison]

black magic

[wet shell]

https://tenor.com/view/time-travel-vanish-disappear-on-my-way-im-coming-gif-16482139

[celest sluice]

Well a client entity is an entity, but on the client. Blocks like pots, piston heads and beds (for some reason) use it for more advanced visuals like animations

[carmine kettle]

You mean client block definitions?

[tropic chasm]

You mean tile entities?

[celest sluice]

Nop

[rough path]

Speaking of time, why doenst MS just build a time machine so Kayla can steal the code from the future

[charred ocean]

we actually have a legendary word in my local language here related to black magic, it's pretty funny for us imo

[celest sluice]

tile entities aren't necessarily client entities, but they are related

[tropic chasm]

ew, we don't need those

[rich vault]

Client side definitely deserves some love

[rough path]

Surely, F3 screen

[carmine kettle]

block visuals should have been dictated by definitions on the client from the start

[rough path]

No we do

[celest sluice]

Like barrels are tile entities, but aren't rendered with client entities

[dreamy bison]

neat

[tropic chasm]

Not their own files though

[rich vault]

Server side animations are the best wdym

[rough path]

https://x.com/SmokeyStack_/status/1811078677133725984?t=mZSK0z-K1BtX_kluePioDQ&s=19

SmokeyStack (@SmokeyStack_) on X

This is my suggestion anyways, still not done but good enough for me to elaborate on. Same structure applies for items. Having a client block/item will allow Mojang to data drive vanilla blocks/item models without having to expose the behaviour json(for the geometry component)

Twitter · Jul 10, 2024, 4:42 PM

Yawn

[tropic chasm]

An enhanced blocks.json is better IMO, we discussed this some weeks ago unless my memory is in another univers

[celest sluice]

I'm thinking that Mojang should just extend off of what they are already internally using

[charred ocean]

Curious to know? It's chethabadi in Indian accent

[rough path]

Omg sprunkles likes it...i now await for the nitpicks

[carmine kettle]

blocks.json is an evil vestige and should die

[tropic chasm]

Yeah tile entities would be good

[willow sequoia]

They should hire you as a dev already sean

[dreamy bison]

jigsaw update 🙏 manifesting it

[dreamy bison]

that's pretty cool

[tropic chasm]

I prefer having a file for defining basic things like render methods and textures rather than double the files for each block

I don't need 180 files for 90 blocks thanks

[carmine kettle]

A "render controller" of sorts could accept an array of conditions depending on block states/permutations. Java Edition has a similar thing

[rich vault]

But then you can't change the visuals with resource packs

[rough path]

Woah...great minds think alike

[tropic chasm]

Molang could be handled there

[rough path]

Oh yes I had that planned in my yt video script

[limber tiger]

Praying for bundles !

[willow sequoia]

Hmmm, client-sided blocks? 🤔

[rough path]

Cant add air tag...whats the point

[tropic chasm]

But imo having 300 blocks be a total of 600 files is pretty dumb. You don't make much entities which is acceptable... but you do many blocks...

[charred ocean]

In sentence, Alylica chestundi chethabadi 💀👀

[tropic chasm]

That pack size is gonna be trippin

[celest sluice]

Imagine animated block geometry without having to manage an entity alongside it

[tropic chasm]

https://discord.com/channels/523663022053392405/1103295128782766142

[carmine kettle]

But there's enough tech debt with the current system so I cannot imagine the kindly add-on developers changing it any time soon. It works so I will just keep it a daydream

[rich vault]

Imagine animated fog without creating tens of fog definitions and switching them from server side

[rough path]

I seruously need to finish my yt video for the api suvgestions

[celest sluice]

And I don't mean with jank

[tropic chasm]

lol

[willow sequoia]

I imagine that the devs have it in the stable game, but they play chicken with each other and remove it before shipping every time. If they forget it one week, whoops! It's released.

[carmine kettle]

You'd be surprised, some people do that with entities. But you do have a point

[sonic musk]

point light support for custom block?

[celest sluice]

Realistically more blocks are made than entities.

[dreamy bison]

[wet shell]

Caustics ?

Also what do you guys think of my new pfp

[tropic chasm]

Sometimes because they don't know much, I have seen people do variants as their own entities, which, is wrong.

[dreamy bison]

minecraft

[sonic musk]

water config ????????????

[dreamy bison]

it's swell

[celest sluice]

The ore is RAW

[prisma niche]

I wonder when we'll get more data driven stuff for deferred.

[tropic chasm]

I prefer our current system because is less files, I just wish it to be upgraded rather than changed to adapt to the entities system

[wet shell]

https://tenor.com/view/gordon-ramsay-its-raw-raw-gif-12603501

[half depot]

What I want

[carmine kettle]

obviously all we need to do is make all blocks in one block, then we just have the two files

[dreamy bison]

my pfp doesn't look very minecraft but it's actually just a drawing of my minecraft skin

[dreamy bison]

🙏

[wet shell]

Sss

[dreamy bison]

make one block and each permutation is a different block

[wet shell]

Data driven

[tropic chasm]

No lol I mean things like parrot colors

[prisma niche]

No something else like configs

[wet shell]

Hmmm

[tropic chasm]

I have seen things like that done in different entities

[prisma niche]

Let me disable auto exposure!

[tropic chasm]

Is far beyond unnecesary

[rough path]

Config.json when?

[wet shell]

Yes please

Mojang consider this

[rough path]

Sean.json when?

[dreamy bison]

Jason.json when?

[rich vault]

Shader.json anyone?

[tropic chasm]

Python API for 2025

[celest sluice]

It has a single variable, and if it's true forces Sean to join the world the pack is applied in

[wet shell]

2027

💀

[half depot]

Deferred render json should data drivable in resource packs

[dreamy bison]

gonna spam reload my world all night so sean must stay up and keep joining

[wet shell]

What could we do with that?

[half depot]

Skylight contribution, ambient fog level, emissive desaturation

[sonic musk]

yes it's confirmed

[rough path]

And every 5 minutes it says a random complaint lol

[tropic chasm]

Make a Python API be useful for simple things compared to JS but complex compared to JSON so people learn about a complex language and then they can easily switch to the scripting API

[wet shell]

What can you do if water was data driven?

[prisma niche]

shadow angles, shadows distance, the whole lot!

[half depot]

Many things

[sonic musk]

we don't know
that's the fun part 😈

[prisma niche]

A lot of stuff

[half depot]

We will be able to adjust fog level, algae level many things

[wet shell]

I just want wavy water

[half depot]

Perhaps wave strength if those get added

[wet shell]

👀

Now we’re talking

[half depot]

The possibilities are endless

[wet shell]

I wonder if cubemaps will get upgraded for deferred

[wide swan]

I want waving foliage

[sonic musk]

wave shape?
wave size?
wave height?

[wet shell]

Like animated cubemaps

[wet shell]

Hopefully

[celest sluice]

Where's my 5 block tall waves at???

[rich vault]

Customize colors based on bio composition of the water, and probably customize waves

[tropic chasm]

Can't wait for Veka to release a Minecraft shader to fortnite

[half depot]

Although wave editing is kinda unlikely since they said it won't be physics based

[rough path]

What if...clouds

[half depot]

But there could be some values to adjust

[celest sluice]

Does it have to be physics based to be customizable?

[wet shell]

Via animated cubemaps

[half depot]

Probably not

[sonic musk]

deferred discontinuation ?

[rich vault]

If Fortnite has shader support, consider me a Fortnite developer from now on

[half depot]

I'm just being dumb

[celest sluice]

There's gotta be better way

[rough path]

Aight, gtg, will be back in 4 hours...hopefully less

[wet shell]

https://tenor.com/view/duck-crying-sad-duck-sad-meme-duck-gif-20933151

[wet shell]

Idk

[celest sluice]

inb4 preview in 2 hours

[tropic chasm]

It probably does if you are a dev

[prisma niche]

Volumetric Clouds, anyone?

[sonic musk]

hopefully
they just discontiues the bug

[sonic musk]

yes
and different layers

[carmine kettle]

I find it funny that snapshot day always involves people discussing some new feature that does not exist, over exciting stuff that has been introduced

[wet shell]

Wouldn’t work on mobile

[celest sluice]

How should clouds be customizable in your opinions?

[half depot]

I tried writing a water shader in unity, I kinda messed that up but it wasn't physics based and could be modified so it's possible

[wet shell]

From what people said earlier

[sonic musk]

why?

[tropic chasm]

Veka hitting some 90s lol

[prisma niche]

Vol. clouds is not that demanding if done right.

[celest sluice]

You're thinking about geometry shaders. I doubt that's gonna be used

[tropic chasm]

We are humans Sprunkles

Of course we will always want more even though we get what we wanted

[prisma niche]

I made a shader in Godot to get volumetric clouds which used noise.

[wet shell]

Ok

[celest sluice]

I made volunetric fog in Godot before it was officially made

[wet shell]

Hopefully we get volumetric clouds then

[sonic musk]

shader support when

[half depot]

That's something I wanna do soon, just unity edition

[tropic trout]

Happy Preview Day!

[prisma niche]

They have official clouds? Lol I made my own haha

[wet shell]

HI AAJA

[rich vault]

You summoned the dragon

[sonic musk]

happy preview day mr.aajabrams

[prisma niche]

Hello! And, Happy Preview Day to you too! <3

[celest sluice]

not clouds, fog. Like, I made a volumetric fog system. Global fog, local fog, anisotropic scattering and all the works

[wet shell]

The dragon has spawned

[tropic chasm]

aajabrams, Tacos or Pizza

[sonic musk]

perhaps
the render dragon?

[half depot]

Hello!!! Happy preview day

[sonic musk]

Pizza rn

ngl

[wet shell]

Pizza

[rich vault]

So... Graphics goodies today?👀
Water config?

[celest sluice]

Although I did make customizable clouds too

[prisma niche]

Oh yea, and I like it too.

[half depot]

I saw someone make SSR for unity URP which is quite impressive since URP doesn't natively support SSR

I have no idea how to mess with stuff like that right now

[chrome plover]

Render dragon egg omelette

[half depot]

I'm still trying to figure out how to render and outline and texture at the same time

[rough path]

Exciting stuff always get discussed once the build and changelogs are out haha

[sonic musk]

hol up
SSS support?

[celest sluice]

We technically got that already, but it's not complete

[sonic musk]

I been waiting and waiting

yuh i mean like an update to that

i've been faking self illumination with that

it works pretty good

[wet shell]

Oh boy I’m excited for todays preview now

[rich vault]

Btw this is a fun graphics YT channel, might give you some inspiration and/or knowledge for creating various shader effects https://m.youtube.com/@Acerola_t

[half depot]

Oh thanks!

[sonic musk]

I'm gonna eat dinner rn
hopefully preview releases by then

[celest sluice]

I love that channel

[half depot]

I created a shader that uses normal data to create a cel shaded outline. It's just funky because it uses well, normal data

So it doesn't exactly work well on anything that's not a ball

[tribal torrent]

preview day today

:doggysmurkW:

[wet shell]

Deferred goodies in this preview hopefully

[tropic chasm]

Here are some simple and small suggestions for item components I wish we had:

For minecraft:block_placer & minecraft:entity_placer:

• decrease_stack boolean property. If false, item will not be decreased from the stack.

For minecraft:entity_placer:

• event property, decides what event to give the entity when placed with this component.

[celest sluice]

I believe you can do that like this. entity_type<entity_event>

[tropic chasm]

How would I know that if is nowhere in docs

[tropic trout]

Pizza

[coral basin]

@languid tinsel, don't forget to click the button this week.

[celest sluice]

Time to open an issue

[tropic chasm]

Good! Pizza gang

[wet shell]

Even the bot knows

[sonic musk]

i am done

[tropic chasm]

I'll test first

I love how important features like this are always missing in the docs

[rich vault]

Fun fact, math.sign and math.copy_sign are a thing in molang but they aren't documented for some reason

[tropic chasm]

Can you give me a syntax example I don't get it

"minecraft:entity_placer":{
    "entity":"minecraft:spider",
    "dispense_on":["minecraft:web"],
    "use_on" :["minecraft:web"]
}

entity_type is a whole new property?

[tropic chasm]

😔

[half depot]

Pizza gang! Tacos are good too

[simple badger]

[celest sluice]

"minecraft:spider" -> "minecraft:spider<event>"

[carmine kettle]

Seriously? I had to recreate sign :(

[dreamy bison]

what's that do

[tropic chasm]

That works, very dumb

I lost like 15 minutes doing a script for that

smh

I'll open an issue

[carmine kettle]

Math.sign is equal to:
• if x != 0: math.abs(x)/x
• if x == 0: 0

[rich vault]

• math.sign(x)

• Returns 1 if x >= 0, otherwise -1

• math.copy_sign(x, y)

• Returns value of x with the sign of y, i.e. abs(x)*sign(y)

[celest sluice]

That second one sounds niche yet useful

[tropic chasm]

You guys speak another language

[carmine kettle]

Our definitions for sign differ!

[rich vault]

Yeah. I opened an issue on the learning portal but no action was taken :(

[rich vault]

Yeah, I was also expecting it to return 0 for 0 argument, but it works differently in-game

[half depot]

OH THIS GUY I saw their video breaking down how lethal company was made a while ago

[carmine kettle]

That's lame. I'll stick with my implememtation

[half depot]

Whoops forgot to disable ping

[prisma steeple]

0 is positive confirmed

[prisma steeple]

anymore undocumented math functions? sign would've been pretty useful a while back

[heady sable]

Why 0 when -0 exist

[rich vault]

Nope, but it's been a while since I last checked, it's unlikely but possible that there are others. Also there might be undocumented hidden matrix type, just for query.bone_orientation_matrix because apparently nobody knows how it works and what it returns

[charred ocean]

Back up again

[limber tiger]

?

What

[rich vault]

It's quite possible that this query is simply broken and just always returns 0

[carmine kettle]

Hearsay

[half depot]

Whar

[prisma steeple]

does that not behave something like an array with a nested array? so usage being something like v.matrix[0][1]

[heady sable]

Report his channel for misinformation and will wait to see what twitter will do

[limber tiger]

https://x.com/mineportalcraft/status/1819021183146156400?s=46

Minecraft Portal (@mineportalcraft) on X

Mojang employees announced a new "normal preview" today for #Minecraft: Bedrock Edition.

Twitter · Aug 1, 2024, 2:43 PM

[half depot]

Oh wait perhaps it means. Not a bugfix and new stuff

[rich vault]

Tried that, with many many other different combinations, nothing ever worked

[sonic musk]

oh yeah i forgot about the bundles lmao

[limber tiger]

And that’s funny because the person who hold this account contacted me recently

[prisma steeple]

huh, well I'm not sure what the use for that query would be anyway, especially since there's a non-matrix alternative

[rich vault]

If there is an official matrix type in molang, I'd say that could be quite useful

[carmine kettle]

Is it somehow different than query.bone_orientation_trs?

[tropic chasm]

Alright, issue openedhttps://github.com/MicrosoftDocs/minecraft-creator/issues/884

[charred ocean]

marplex being marplex again

[half depot]

Someone ping me when logs are out

[rich vault]

In theory it should be the same, just return orientation as a transform matrix, but in practice nobody knows

[limber tiger]

yeah lmao

[lavish ocean]

It would be nice to have both a generalized matrix type and vector type in molang

[rich vault]

And functions

And sane arrays

[lavish ocean]

Oh yeah

[carmine kettle]

Could be a good question for stirante

[prisma steeple]

what does bone_orientation_trs actually return anyway? is it just the initial state of that bone, or the transformed state?

[charred ocean]

also guess what. I'm gonna start how to make games and eventually start learning about minecraft modding particularly about bedrock addons :D

[rich vault]

We discussed this on OSS with some RE folks but didn't find anything useful

[lavish ocean]

I used the transform branch of it a while ago and it looks like it returns the transformed state, but idk

[charred ocean]

starting from next year after march

[lavish ocean]

Haven’t messed with it enough to give a solid answer

[half depot]

Nice!

[prisma steeple]

I can't really think of a use for it atm, besides doing some simulations on a bone if the state carries over frames

[carmine kettle]

Some brave soul should venture onto the Compass aristocracy, find it out from a Mojang dev, then enlighten us common folk

[charred ocean]

probably java too side by side after learning java lang. But not on high priority list rn

[rich vault]

Yeah I think it's transformed. It could be a cool way to create animations for other values, like colors, using entity animation and this query as a way to evaluate arbitrary keyframes in molang

[prisma steeple]

give us back our entity reference queries

[half depot]

Game dev is fun. I started learning dev in unity and it's been so fun. I'm not the best but it's just really fun

[rich vault]

Would've been way more useful if we had q.get_nearby_entities 😔

[wet shell]

💀

[lavish ocean]

Yeah it would be useful if it was transformed state, but past experiences I’ve had with the query don’t consistently imply that

I should try to find out once I get back from the beach

[charred ocean]

i want to start it so bad rn but can't because of the situations im rn. Check MCIA, I've been chatting about that just a bit before

[prisma steeple]

do we even have any things we can use with pointers left anymore? only thing I can think of is the context.owning_entity var in attachables

[dreamy bison]

where preview

give now

[quasi wedge]

I'm ready for before entityHurtEvent today

[slender wren]

In Kayla's button

[rich vault]

I tried building a client side physic sim with this query once, and iirc it does return a transformed value

[dreamy bison]

pleaseee i need it

[rich vault]

Afaik this is the only entity reference we have left

[prisma steeple]

quite the high hopes you got there

[half depot]

What's MCIA?

[rich vault]

Minecraft central intelligence agency

[charred ocean]

Minecraft Ideas Academy discord server

I've been talking with chiwi there just a bit ago as well lol

[quasi wedge]

I've had these high hopes for every preview in at least the last 10 months

[half depot]

LMAO

[charred ocean]

that got me there lol 😂🤣

[prisma steeple]

how'd that actually work? For example, if used in pre_animation would it return the state from the previous frame? What about when used in an animation that's played after some other animations?

[stoic junco]

Wait 10 more months

[prisma steeple]

just random questions, my understanding of the whole animation life cycle is very limited

[lavish ocean]

The animation life cycle

[prisma steeple]

it must live then die

[quasi wedge]

all animations start and end

unless loop is set to true

[lavish ocean]

Keyframes are temporary, procedural anims are eternal

[charred ocean]

beta when

[prisma steeple]

gotta love procedural animations

[lavish ocean]

IK my beloved

[charred ocean]

I have officially shouted the original beta series pickup line

[limber tiger]

once marplex153 close his mc news twitter account

[prisma steeple]

bipedal procedural walk animations, the bane of my existance

[charred ocean]

i liked the concept of beta getting canceled if anyone said beta when lol. Kayla can we get this concept back again pls

[rich vault]

I don't remember anymore, but it would be weird if this query returned identity transorm depending on the evaluation context and order, so I think it could be using last frames value, or the value from the current frame if available. But that's just me speculating

[willow sequoia]

Lore limit increase when (soon)

[quasi wedge]

will probably be decreased even more

[willow sequoia]

😏

[quasi wedge]

I've been fact checked

It's over

[prisma steeple]

I assume it would have to be last frame, because current frame would mean the value changes the later in the animation sequence you get

[half depot]

Highly recommend it. I have a little mini game demo that I made and am working on. And it's been really fun to make

[heady sable]

I mean, who doesn't love complex lore systems

[lavish ocean]

Current frame would be paradoxical, wouldn’t it?

[willow sequoia]

I love them 😋

[lavish ocean]

You could say “if the state == x, transform it so it isn’t x”

[prisma steeple]

but if it is last frame, then that first frame would probably always be the initial state of the bone, so no clue

guess the only way to figure it out is to test it

[charred ocean]

yeah ik that but can't

[prisma steeple]

it would more be the state of the current frame up to that point

[lavish ocean]

I’d assume it’s the default values set in the geometry

[cursive pond]

I only want more flattening. I live for the 4 blocks they fix every update so it can maybe be done by 2030.

[prisma steeple]

I wonder why it takes so long to flatten

[lavish ocean]

We’re really not that far from all blocks being flattened now

[prisma steeple]

I'd figure that it would just be simple to do after the first few

[cursive pond]

Because the bedrock codebase is probably a jenga tower :p

[lavish ocean]

Technical debt 🥳

[prisma steeple]

top tier code

[languid tinsel]

King 👀😂

[willow sequoia]

https://discord.com/channels/523663022053392405/1205371327733694514

[charred ocean]

it is, chiwi just said it's looking horrible in his opinion

probably way too unorganised code fr

[cursive pond]

Oh yeah I forgot we learned in the last meeting that hive devs got to see some of the codebase

[willow sequoia]

Yearly code rewrite but it's the actual bedrock codebase

[fluid wadi]

Who else is for making this a weekly message?

[charred ocean]

were talking about redmond people in a mix of that

[prisma steeple]

thomas getting bot pinged weekly 😔

[charred ocean]

you work for hive?

[wet shell]

Oh no

[charred ocean]

how did you know?

[willow sequoia]

At this point everything is a jumbled mess of code. We just need to rewrite the internet from scratch, restart completely.

[dreamy bison]

we should delete standards

internet anarchy

[prisma steeple]

can we start with the web plz?

[cursive pond]

No. Have you been watching the meetings they've been doing since removing symbols?

[willow sequoia]

Burn it all down and restart

[prisma steeple]

css defaults stink

[celest sluice]

not enough. Return to monke

[charred ocean]

oh yea i am aware of the marketplace partner meetings but not about the stuff they talk about in the meetings

[cursive pond]

No, not the partner meetings

[charred ocean]

wait what-

[wet shell]

Imagine the meetings are about deferred on market place

[charred ocean]

Must have been mentioned by either someone

totally because it's a new thing but people at mojang won't have an answer right now due to early stages development

[cursive pond]

https://youtu.be/ow1AopfIze4 e.g.

[wet shell]

☹️

[charred ocean]

oh wait what? These meetings were recorded??

i seriously never knew that

[prisma niche]

it was never under NDA

[wet shell]

https://tenor.com/view/peppo-gif-27351069

[charred ocean]

Literally same reaction lol

im kinda surprised

[cursive pond]

Big brother is watching :)))

[wet shell]

https://tenor.com/view/coffee-spit-vomit-gross-laugh-gif-12129945

[celest sluice]

It's both private and public at the same time

[charred ocean]

yeah i know that though but not about the meetings

[wet shell]

I’ll have to give that video a watch later

[celest sluice]

I don't know why, but my face feels tingly while seeing that GIF...

[prisma steeple]

closed public meeting

[charred ocean]

You are technically having meeting with people in public. so you are leaking stuff as a mojangster to outside

[cursive pond]

I mean for addon stuff it's not very interesting

Given the title is "mod"

???

[charred ocean]

yeah

[dreamy bison]

Mojang has FORGOTTEN about 1.21.30.20

[wet shell]

Preview where

[celest sluice]

IIRC they're thinking of moving conversations to a more public space like this one. Nothing concrete of course

[charred ocean]

guys chill. It will be out around 9:30pm IST

or 10:00pm IST probably

[wet shell]

https://tenor.com/view/duck-crying-sad-duck-sad-meme-duck-gif-20933151

[prisma steeple]

stage channels

[charred ocean]

Like around more of 15mins probably

[celest sluice]

<t:1722529800:T>?

[dreamy bison]

ik ik im just jokin

[charred ocean]

check ur timezone calculator

[kind rivet]

14 minutes till preview

[limber tiger]

Well they forgot 1.21.20.20

[wet shell]

Lol

I’m still wondering why

[limber tiger]

https://feedback.minecraft.net/hc/en-us/articles/28896769176845-Minecraft-Beta-Preview-1-21-30-21

ITS HERE

[dreamy bison]

never forget how we was robbed of 1.20.20

[foggy isle]

gg

[charred ocean]

IT'S OUT

[cursive pond]

More splits!!!!

[foggy isle]

omg alot

[dreamy bison]

Added new vanilla block and item tags to support vanilla item tier level destruction speeds for data driven blocks

[prisma steeple]

that's a huge log

[lavish ocean]

Purpur block flattened

[wet shell]

WOW

[wet shell]

ALOT OF DEFERRED CHBBES

[celest sluice]

Structure void has block states?

[wet shell]

CHANGES

[foggy isle]

yo mali has fixed

[stoic orchid]

Happy Preview Day!

[prisma niche]

SSS :D

[tropic trout]

Creator docs for Deferred will be updated later today 🙂 Enjoy

[prisma steeple]

PlayerInteract updates 🎉

[simple badger]

Finally

[kind rivet]

Biggest Deferred changelog ever

[stoic orchid]

On this - I need everyone's help here. Please hit Player Interact APIs hard this week. And let me know ASAP if you see any bugs. I want to turn around feedback really fast here.

[prisma steeple]

https://canary.discord.com/channels/523663022053392405/1268596457536229437

[languid tinsel]

Happppppy preview!

[half depot]

Yall cooked on the deferred patch ggs

[wet shell]

Mojang is cooking with deferred

[half depot]

I assume we will get specifics on how to control SSS?

ALSO EMISSIVE DESAT CONTROL YES

[tropic trout]

Yes, the Creator docs will be updated later today with details on all the new data-driving capabilities. 🙂

[prisma niche]

❤️

[half depot]

Will be sure to cook later

[wet shell]

Idk what that does

[hoary forge]

Was already planning to do that 👀

[wet shell]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-stupid-drooling-patrick-star-spongebob-gif-12221001666588210206

[half depot]

It allows you to control how much emission desaturates a texture

It's great because at low values it can allow emissives to use higher brightness levels without losing too much quality and variance

What would be the next great step is adding ability to control emissive brightness

[shy elbow]

Does that include the custom component onInteract?

[stoic orchid]

no, just the player interact APIs in the changelog

[shy elbow]

Ah, I was hoping they fixed the interact animation thing

Thanks for the response

[sterile flame]

Why is this still a thing? 😭 It's been so long since this was an issue with the blocks smaller than the normal block. I know I'm the only one complaining about it but it hurts so much to see this

[simple badger]

yes

[heady sable]

Why ping Kayla though?

[dawn fable]

i thought they fixed that when they added crawling

[heady sable]

Also best to include a bugreport if you ever complain about a bug. If it doesn't have one, then create one

[heady sable]

The bug is only visible in third person back iirc

[sterile flame]

How do I create one? Also, the ping was because it was the most recent Mojang Dev.. I'm not familiar with that role they have within the company :/

And yeah, it's only in third person and was never fixed back when it happened on everything that wasn't a full block, now everything has been fixed but the upside down stairs 😭

[heady sable]

They don't ping any Mojang dev. It's better to not ping, unless it's a very specific thing that Mojang dev can answer. This doesn't cover Kayla's work area

[sterile flame]

Well I don't know every Mojang Devs role 💀 If I did, then I wouldn't have pinged her

[heady sable]

Then avoid it

[sterile flame]

At least the most basic response from her would have been "hey, this isnt in my work area bluh bluh bluh" and so on

[heady sable]

Also there is already a bugreport for it https://bugs.mojang.com/browse/MCPE-168390

[onyx gulch]

(MCPE-168390) All or part of screen becomes black when player is near non full blocks in third person view

Reported by

[Mod] LateLag

Status

To Do (Open)

Resolution

Unresolved

[heady sable]

Since it has an ADO, the only thing you can do is vote for the bug and wait until it appears in one of the changelogs. Checking if it is fixed every Preview will not help because most of the time, if not every time, there won't be any change

[sterile flame]

This stopped getting updated as of 1.20.20 preview and the "cornered fence posts" and the "extended piston arm" has since been fixed, except for the stairs so I don't see this being looked at any time soon

[heady sable]

I don't either, so that is why my advice is not to check it every Preview

[sterile flame]

Well, I guess the piston arm wasn't but the fences have been

I don't check it every preview :/

[celest sluice]

Wonder why it's just not removed entirely?

[sterile flame]

The bug only accurs when the players head is within the hitbox of either an extended piston or an upside down stair. The player also has to be in third person for the player to see the black screen.
-# > Could possibly still happen with other blocks but is untested with these "other" blocks as of 1.21.30.21

[sterile flame]

The black screen was only implemented to stop xraying. That's simply all it was for.

[lunar musk]

Ooo that's actually pretty neat

[wheat wasp]

It would be neat if we had a filter for all the queries and a query for all the filters. - query player_tag, filter is_swimming, is_gliding, is_flying, is_creative, position filters = query.position...

[prisma steeple]

when would a position filter be useful?

is_creative also doesn't exist, and we already have a filter for that sort of thing

[wheat wasp]

Damage sensors, entity sensors, events.

When entity is with in x cords don't do damage, or do double damage. Or fire this event, or don't fire this effect...I could list many more examples.

I was hoping is_creative would get added so we have a way to filter out creative flight mode/free fly vs jump vs elytra flying....
vs falling, vs climbing...
The only solution I could find for creative mode detection was JS.

[prisma steeple]

creative mode detection is already done within vanilla entities, I believe it's done using the ability filter and checking for one of the abilities that gets enabled with creative

[wheat wasp]

oh, could you explain more. I've never heard of this. I'd like to make a guide on it

I asked many times for help on this

[prisma steeple]

"test": "has_ability", "value": "instabuild"

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/minecraft/creator/reference/content/entityreference/examples/filters/has_ability?view=minecraft-bedrock-stable

it's actually the listed example

[wheat wasp]

thank you. I'll use this.

What about is_gliding, is_swimming.

For swimming I'm using detecting in block water.

but flying and gliding are a pain

[prisma steeple]

When entity is with in x cords don't do damage, or do double damage. Or fire this event, or don't fire this effect...I could list many more examples.
only reason I wouldn't want this is because it may feel pretty clunky to do a volume/area check that way. I'd prefer to use has_tag and tag entities within an area

just personal preference though

[wheat wasp]

sure it's an option. I was just listing out queries we have but no filters. I could easily use the filter check for position in many places.

I guess my pitch is could we have parity in filters/operators and queries.

[prisma steeple]

was looking to see if any of the other ones you suggested had filters, didn't realize we had two sneak filters...

[wheat wasp]

yep it's really useful

[prisma steeple]

what's the difference between the two?

[wheat wasp]

Each projects I read and write a list of all the filters and queries I want to try for that proejt

[wheat wasp]

hold vs tap

You could already do it with a BP AC but no it's much easier

[prisma steeple]

aren't they both hold though?

[wheat wasp]

blocking too

[prisma steeple]

is_sneaking implies currently sneaking, not a burst. I'm also pretty sure it's used by foxes

[wheat wasp]

The main issues is queries can't be remotely used.

So it's really helpful to have a filter for any queries.

[prisma steeple]

only difference I see between that and is_sneak_held is the latter may only work for players

[prisma steeple]

what do you mean by that?

as in, referencing another entity's state from one entity?

or just the fact that there's very little molang support in the entity file?

we can technically reference another entity from one entity... They just decided to remove the queries that let us do it

[wheat wasp]

I need this alot in my space game

[wheat wasp]

explain?

[prisma steeple]

q.target -> q.is_sneaking would allow you to check if the entity's target was sneaking

[wheat wasp]

How would I read query.position of a entity (ticking) 1000 blocks away

[prisma steeple]

but q.target was removed

[prisma steeple]

how would you do this with filters?

that seems like a case that can't be covered by either

[wheat wasp]

entity or environmental sensors

[prisma steeple]

how do you get a reference to that other entity is the problem

[wheat wasp]

family filter

or many others

if I had position I'd use that too

[prisma steeple]

that's not making much sense to me

[wheat wasp]

yeah these are advanced cases I run in to

[prisma steeple]

for one, environment sensors can't filter other entities

[wheat wasp]

Say i want to make a mini map of all entities in my space game.

I need to be able to query their positions.

[prisma steeple]

ah, well that's something different

that was actually doable

[wheat wasp]

I could have them all send in their poistions but that painful

[prisma steeple]

I had a post on my twitter with a concept for it

it's old now though

[wheat wasp]

this is just 1 of maybe 20 cases I'd like to solve

without js

[prisma steeple]

before script API was even a thing, you could do the entity radar with purely molang

[wheat wasp]

I've only seen it done with mods. Any examples?

[prisma steeple]

https://x.com/MajestikButter1/status/1349839212472922115

Majestik (@MajestikButter1) on X

Minimap Prototype

• Tracks up to 20 entities at a time
• Tracks in a radius of 20 blocks (can be changed)
• Tracks entity facing direction
• Scales entity indicator depending on Y distance

Twitter · Jan 14, 2021, 10:02 PM

it was purely entities though

didn't track blocks, but if you had a preset map, you could just bake the texture

[wheat wasp]

Do you have a guide or any docs how you did it

[prisma steeple]

it's no longer possible because they've removed/deprecated q.get_nearby_entities

[wheat wasp]

the 3 States fo Dealing with Mojang. Head on table, crying, and giggling

[prisma steeple]

funnily enough, that query is still in their doc examples

but it's no longer in their list of queries

[wheat wasp]

So my plan was, query.position to entity property then use that

because you can remotely access that data

[prisma steeple]

"v.x = 0;
for_each(v.pig, query.get_nearby_entities(4, 'minecraft:pig'), {
    v.x = v.x + v.pig->query.get_relative_block_state(0, 1, 0, 'flammable');
});"

this was how you'd use that query (from their docs)

[wheat wasp]

Fancy.

Why can't bedrock have a vanilla mini map again?

You could even add it as a default off toggle

[prisma steeple]

we have one, it's called a map in your offhand

[wheat wasp]

eww. I've spent so many hours trying to move that damage thing around the screen. It is stubern

[prisma steeple]

the background texture?

is it not just a single texture?

[wheat wasp]

the map in hand. Even if I could simply make it a minimap in the top right would be so much better

Number one java added "mod" mini map.

bedrock, NOT 1 option for one

People ask every day why java players don't want to play bedrock. There is one clear reason. You can't even do a simply mini map on bedrock. Like wtf

[wheat wasp]

This is epic, I wish I did, and also glade I didn't know about this. Because I'd be very bummed about it breaking.

A is_attacking filter would be sick

is_using
is_shooting

[sleek grail]

What would you need those for in filters?

[wheat wasp]

remotely detect when entities are attacking, or using stuff.

In my space game I'd use this for near by space stations to react. Or in combat systems for the attacked to react...
Same with interacting with inventories, npcs, and other stuff.
Vs having to use a rely system from the entities recieving the actions we could detect it remotely

Even more simple, a player eats an apple. I'd like to be able to remotely detect that and filter it.

or give us ability to remotely read queries.

[wheat wasp]

Related to this. q.target -> q.is_sneaking
Was q.target the only one that -> works on?

I couldn't query.position.. -> q.is_sneaking?

How does this work?
query.combine_entities Combines any valid entity references from all arguments into a single array. Note that order is not preserved, and duplicates and invalid values are removed.
Is this virtual combine. Like I could run this on 2 entities, then query them as one?

query.has_any_family('player') -> query.is_sneaking? or maybe query.has_property
How would I know what can or can't use ->

[sleek grail]

Any sort of entity reference, only thing still left that you can use it for is context.owning_entity

None of the things you've sent will work

[wheat wasp]

bummer

[rough path]

I just realized....

adk-lib:on_use_tp ~~10~ is a completely valid tag for items, but an invalid tag for blocks

[celest sluice]

Here's something that's very useful to know. Since 1.21.30 adds the ability to see console.log messages, it also means query.log is genuinely useful now for debugging molang in resource packs

[rough path]

Hey @agile matrix , any chance inform gets changed to just info? Just a tiny annoyance from me 😅

[wheat wasp]

Do you have an example of this usage? or a guide on it

[rough path]

Intriguing...wonder if q.log works in BPs as well...

[celest sluice]

Ok. Here's an example. "v.test_value = 20 * 3; q.log(v.test_value);"

It's pretty self explanatory

[wheat wasp]

wow

I've dreamed about this

I wish we could print it to sscreen easily

or does it

[celest sluice]

That's what it does

[wheat wasp]

wow woowowowowow

[celest sluice]

It prints to content logs

[wheat wasp]

It's like Bedrock is a real game engine now.

[rough path]

time to log every q.noise

[wheat wasp]

You can print hello world to a content log on screen. It's like step 1 in making a game

[celest sluice]

I've never tried printing a string before 🤔

[celest sluice]

This was always possible from the server side, but at least now you can more easily debug client code too.

[wheat wasp]

What do you mean server side?

[tropic chasm]

I first learned to do complex math, then I started walking

[celest sluice]

from scripts

[wheat wasp]

JS?

[celest sluice]

JS

[wheat wasp]

always for JS is like a few months to years.

What you talking about always

lol

[rough path]

Also technically you could just do run command say hello world

[wheat wasp]

JS is like a 1 year old

[rough path]

Greatest debugger for ACs

[wheat wasp]

not from query.log

[agile matrix]

In what context? Content logging?

[rough path]

Yes 😅 inform sounds...off? You have a warning, error, then inform?

Do you have any errors?
Do you have any warnings?
Do you have any informs?

[wheat wasp]

I'd love query.print_to_screen('entity_property....)

[agile matrix]

I agree, I can't wait to send this to someone on my team. We had an argument about this 😂

[celest sluice]

Wouldn't that just be query.log(query.property('entity_property'))?

What would be nice is query.warn and query.error.

[wheat wasp]

I was hoping to use it for UI/hud usage. An offset would be sick too.

Vs logging to content log

It's painful to have to go from query to animated UV

when we could just use built in font system

I have a UV atlas with 100,000 numbers on it, ie frames. It took me an Ai a day to make it. Very painful. This is simply so I can have in game HUDS and count cords up to 100,000.
We really need the ability to do 3d text based on the font system.

[celest sluice]

I don't think using a molang query is the right approach then. We need a solid custom UI API

[wheat wasp]

Sure. but thats a pipe dream.

I need this today

[celest sluice]

You won't get it today that's for sure

Besides. query is for reading data. Not manipulating it

[wheat wasp]

I need to read it then display it. Off set is so I can have lots of them.

Right now I'm running 20+ Hud elements in 3d space/entities. Works great, just painful to setup and teach. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btV3_cJvTkc

My goal is to remove all Json ui from my HUD.
I only have hunger to go. But I can't figure out how to query/filter it

[celest sluice]

How would q.print_to_screen work exactly?

[rough path]

Maybe like the title command?

[wheat wasp]

I'd

q.print_to_screen(query.position(1), -200, -50)
q.print_to_screen(query.position(2), -200, 0)

[celest sluice]

All you can print are numbers and premade text

[random karma]

You know, particles would have been a solution here.

[wheat wasp]

q.print_to_screen(query.health, -200, -200)

[wheat wasp]

Oh I have those too. But I can't use them here

[random karma]

Wait what's stopping you? With the power of scripting and entity properties you should be able to make text/number displays with particles.

[celest sluice]

Yeah I'm not sure about this solution. It just seems half baked

[rough path]

Im gonna try q.log my world gen q.noise. Surely that wont crash things lol

[celest sluice]

If they're gonna do it, they gotta do it right

[wheat wasp]

The ship, cockpit, inside of the ships, inside of the space stations is all in the player geos. That layer is always before particles. So I can't put particles inside of any on the onscreen art.

[wheat wasp]

You can see alot more here https://youtu.be/4ZXgSa0YXfY

[wheat wasp]

I do use server side particles for my world cord systems. Beacons the player put around the galaxy that count up to -100,000 by 100,000

[random karma]

You messed with HUD entity renderers?

[wheat wasp]

I simply made their texture empty in most case. I hate doing json ui

Then built that data into my huds in 3d space in the entity

So those are animations playing

based on queries, entity properties, filters, scoreboards..

They are all in player. Each with their own Geo, Textures in somecases and RC's

Even the insides of the space stations are on player

[random karma]

Aye yeah, wait and you are or aren't already using JsonUI to render them or are they they simple attached to the player model and only hidden in 3rd person?

[wheat wasp]

NOTHING in that view is json ui but the top cords (Normal vanilla) and items slots.

I plan to replace item slots soon. I already have the dev all done for it

Another cool concept is, the attachables like armor, change the ships parts including skins, insides, cockpit, wings, and landing gear. So the ships are modualar.

Here is what my RP Player entity file looks like. This will make most of you who do marketplace addons cry.
https://youtu.be/FgdWMtbJU7g

[random karma]

Okay well the only thing I can offer that can probably help involves rendering entity stuff through UI . . . same thing as the paperdoll.

[wheat wasp]

sure. I just hate json ui so much. Doing it in 3d space is so easy. Just a pain to setup counting numbers and text in 3d space. It would be very helpful to have a solution for that. That easy. Even if it's just on the hud in 2d space. the scoreboard and title commands are great but ti's took limited for most use cases. I tried hard to use it.

[random karma]

Honestly It's super simple, just isn't documented properly

Title is absolutely immaculate

What we generally do with that is we have a prefix that we check for and if it exists then hide the vanilla title, then we can use the data after that for displaying whatever wherever. You could literally just pass in coords and display them there.
Only tradeoff is that you then cant access the vanilla title without a larger system to compensate for your changes.

[wheat wasp]

I spent a few weeks doing it, and I can do it perfect for my screen. I can not do it well for all the other screens I broke along the way. Just not how my brain works. I can do what I see is what I get very well. Here is a better show of the hud eliments I have now

This is how far I got in Json UI. Before I just couldn't take it.

The light rays are animated too

and some of those are tickers that tick / rotate by. Like LED/stock market

[wet shell]

Imagine Minecraft x fnaf on marketplace tomorrow

[celest sluice]

On a Sunday?

[rough path]

Tomorrow is a Monday

[celest sluice]

Oh whoops

Either way though, don't they normally release stuff on a Tuesday?

[rough path]

But yeah, ive seen Fortnite or Stumble guys collab as a possibility

[rough path]

Yeah, unless they announce it as "hype"

[plucky glade]

looking forward to the next beta to test the orbit camera on my TV system on twitch, but it seems this beta never arrives 😦

[rough path]

Wdym?

[plucky glade]

the orbit is still on preview and the beta is delaying

[rough path]

Android beta is delayed?

[plucky glade]

I mean the server

[rough path]

I still don't get it

[plucky glade]

well the orbit camera type is on preview, right? I can test it running on client for sure but I want to put it on my server, and on the server I cannot enable preview as it wont allow some clients to connect to, like me on console

[hoary forge]

Wdym by cannot enable Preview?

[plucky glade]

on PS5 I cannot connect to servers yet while in preview mode, just test local. unless something have changed

[hoary forge]

Is the server even running the Preview?

[plucky glade]

also the proxy from pugmat follow the stable version of the server, there is version for the preview which I m also required to use in order to play in servers from console

[plucky glade]

no

[hoary forge]

Well that's your issue

The servers has to be running the Preview if you want to join

[plucky glade]

I know, but from console I tried and it was locked to play local only, the servers tab was not available, I will try that again, yet the proxy will become my issue as it follow the stable versioning and not preview

[rough path]

Refresh my memory but isnt q.get_nearby_entities removed?

[plucky glade]

yes, it was removed

[rough path]

@viscid jolt , not sure if the github repo is the place to report bugs for the html docs, but this might be something you need to update

[lunar musk]

Sooo with the .30 cycle started, do we predict stable tomorrow?

[rough path]

Next week

[lunar musk]

Oooooof

Ok

[shy elbow]

is that confirmed or a guess

[fluid wadi]

Guess based on patterns. It’s almost always like that

[sleek grail]

^

[tropic chasm]

wait when do we expect stable?

[prisma niche]

next week.

[tropic chasm]

Cool!

[rough path]

Some time between now and the death of the universe

[tropic chasm]

That narrows it down

But which universe 🤓

[stoic orchid]

C-137

[tropic chasm]

Rick and Morty mentioned

[rich vault]

But usually it releases stable on the week of .22, which is this week, so tomorrow should be release day?

[rough path]

That only is true when the prwview starts with .20

.30 started with .21

[rich vault]

Oh wow, you've got that nailed down to a science lol. I didn't even notice that previews can start with .20 or .21

[rough path]

Chronically online whooo!

[rich vault]

So if it strated with .21, will it get to .26, or just .25 as usual?

[rough path]

1.21.20 started with .21 and only went up to .24

So it varies

[rich vault]

I hope it goes to .99, so that we can have a little extra time enjoying simple shader dev

[plucky glade]

I still believe in santa, the easter bunny and that stable is coming tomorrow xD

[wheat wasp]

Why can't your parrot go in to the portal with you?

Lame. Also tp'ing from nether to overworld has hordes of game breaking bugs. In 5 tries 3 broke my game, required restarting it. 1 broken the nether portal itself and allowed me to break the blocks while the portal was still there but didn't work, 1 broke my ability to walk but I could hop around, one makes functions and nothing work, when I restarted I was back in nether.

Has anyone else seen these? or are they new from updates

[heady sable]

Because that has been the old behavior, however only Java has changed that recently. I would expect it coming to Bedrock sometime later as well

[heady sable]

https://bugs.mojang.com/browse/MCPE-160998 Because of this

[onyx gulch]

(MCPE-160998) Using the nether portal causes processing overhead when loading between dimensions

Reported by

Timer RP

Status

To Do (Reopened)

Resolution

Unresolved

[wheat wasp]

If you are standing in the portal, leave game, then come back it works. Sends you and parrot to other place. lol

only a few bugs thought. lol

[rough path]

The parrot ate the blocks???

[wheat wasp]

no it's all bugged out and I broke them.

[rough path]

@stoic orchid https://discord.com/channels/523663022053392405/1270186970852753428

Is this a bug or works as intended. If a custom component is not defined in the base component, only in permutations, the game will skip its registration. This causes issues when the block switches to that permutation and it isn't defined

[ivory rain]

lol

[lunar musk]

If I have a hoard of birds, and go through the portal will the portal become invisible

[wheat wasp]

Simply stand in the portal with a parrot riding you. Then restart game. Or tp to other dimensions and the entire game starts to break down.

[sleek grail]

Ah I noticed that too

[wheat wasp]

We need an effect slowness that does not effect player FOV/ same with speed. If we can't get a way to turn if off by command.

[lunar musk]

Oo yeah agreed

[wheat wasp]

Honestly this should be an accessability issue, because the FOV changes give me headaches

[prisma steeple]

it's directly tied to speed, not even the effect, so I'd imagine that needs quite a bit of reworking

[wheat wasp]

I was worried about that

[prisma steeple]

Does the "FOV Can Be Altered By Gameplay" setting not work?

[wheat wasp]

It does but you cant turn it off pack wide. You have to ask the players to do it, one by one

[prisma steeple]

if it's an accessibility issue, that's the player's responsibility

I do agree that it shouldn't be tied to speed, but in the case of accessibility, there's something in place

[wheat wasp]

Well its the only way to do some stuff on player. So knowing it can cause people issues and not being able to turn if off before it does is an issue. We as the addon devs should be able to toggle those settings off, or

better yet have effects that do not effect FOV at all as a alternitive.

[prisma steeple]

well what's the slowness being used for?

to stop the player from moving?

/inputpermission set @s movement disabled

[wheat wasp]

hmm

[prisma steeple]

it's already a thing

[wheat wasp]

what about speeding up like on my dragons?

[prisma steeple]

that's handled on your mount, isn't it?

[wheat wasp]

I think the new camera 3rd person solves that

[wheat wasp]

In this case I was doing it to effect FOV and have the oppsite issue. I need the camera to move back away from the dragon. Maybe just break FOV into it's own commands.

[wheat wasp]

What all does this stop? Can you still jump and sneak?

[prisma steeple]

you cannot jump or sneak

[wheat wasp]

grrr

[wheat wasp]

Yeah that causes different issues.
Why isn't this command more complex with options for what inputs to filter out.

Even better could we get filters and queries for the inputs.

[plush wedge]

MS spinning the magic wheel to decide whether a new feature should support checks for it in selectors, filters, queries, and/or scripting (it's completely random)

[stoic orchid]

Or, you know, we followed the standard development practice of starting small instead of adding too much complexity to start and delaying the initial implementation.

[stoic orchid]

We've had a bunch of feedback to add more options here to block individual input types. We're considering that feedback, along with other input-related creator work we could enable.

[eternal shoal]

hi kayla

[wheat wasp]

You rock

[tropic chasm]

Add me to the game

[wheat wasp]

Has mojang thought about helping fund/sponsoring some of us helping support and diag'ing creators content daily? It would realy help to have a blockbench person in java/bedrock and 2-3 bedrock people. JS, Jsonui/gfx and addons general.
I know budgets are tight but even a little helps. The more time I don't have to work for food is the more time I can help others. The load of people needing help is only growing.

[stoic orchid]

This sort of sponsorship isn't something we're open to at this time. Our funding is directed towards initiatives that are larger scale: helping fund Blockbench, helping fund Chunker, staffing our learning portal with technical writers, and some new initiatives we haven't launched yet. But, I definitely appreciate the amount of help and support the community offers it's members. But of course, only do as much as you can afford! Take care of yourself! It's our goal to both increase the capability of Bedrock, but also make it more approachable over-time. Thanks for joining us on this journey!

[tropic chasm]

Can you fund my creeper army too

🙏

[charred geode]

can we expect 1.21.20 to be released this week?

[simple badger]

Most likely next week

[charred geode]

that's good enough, hello custom components, bye bye HCF.

[celest sluice]

Sure have a stack of spawn eggs

[celest sluice]

/give Kaiōga minecraft:cat_spawn_egg 64

[tropic chasm]

https://tenor.com/view/noooo-star-wars-darth-vader-gif-8348766

[charred geode]

i think the joke is that you misspelled creeper as a cat

[limber tiger]

Preview day

[limber ledge]

I hope one day the OreUI team will come here to chat with us. I think they are the only team which haven’t came here to chat with us

[vast bolt]

Maybe when/if addons can modify it

[rich vault]

Also fun fact, oreui is now obfuscated

[hoary forge]

Yeah

hopefully it's temporary

[rich vault]

PDB, oreui, now shaders. Feels like they are locking things down :/

Although it's most likely just a coincidence

[stoic junco]

Unless...

[rough path]

Understandable

They dont want us to use unofficial and undocumented features

[rich vault]

That's like half of the add-ons systems

[rough path]

Undocumented? Sure
Unofficial? No

[rich vault]

There are some "unofficial" mechanics that are an integral part of add-ons now, like temp leaking and ordering entity materials

[rough path]

Mechanics, not systems. Thats just abusing molang.

But PDB? Known for usage of reverse engineering? How is that bundled in for addons?
Shaders? Known for needing 3rd party launchers?

[rich vault]

Java mods? Known for using 3rd party launchers and reverse engineering. Let's shut them down!

There is a huge community of creators that use other means of modding instead of just add-ons

[rough path]

Completely different culture and you very well know that

[rich vault]

Imo it's not that different from bds modding, and bedrock shader dev is not that different from java

[rough path]

They cant save Java, so lets focus on Bedrock who has a dedicated team of creator apis and an official modding api btw

Java has none of that

[rich vault]

Data packs

[rough path]

Are not enough right now to replace java mods

[rich vault]

And add-ons aren't enough to replace other modding scenarios either

[rough path]

Unless, im blind and you see 99% of every user using datapacks over mods?

[rough path]

So theyre trying to work towards replacing it?

Theyve stated time and time again theyre working towards more official support?

[rich vault]

Alright sure, but no matter how powerful it gets, there will be things that are simply impossible to achieve with any kind of official apis. And we don't currently have replacements for the modding scenarios that are being deprecated

Also current proposed solution for PDB replacement doesn't help with client modding

[rough path]

Idk...deferred rendering seems to be that stepping stone. OreUI will eventually come, but since most screens still use JSON UI, there isnt anything lost.

Only one is PDB

[rich vault]

And there are no guarantees that this kind of scenario will ever be supported in the future

[hoary forge]

The PDB made it easier to document undocumented features instead of having to go on a wild goose chase reading random strings in the exe file

[rich vault]

Understandable 🤝
That was kind of a pointless argument tho, since we have the same position, just express it differently. All I was trying to say is that there is a community behind modding features that are being removed, so saying that they don't matter because they aren't using official apis would be ignoring this fact, but to be fair, Mojang does try to do at least something to help the alternative modding communities (in particular for PDB and shaders), so there's that.

[rough path]

The hunt is a blessing and a curse...mostly a curse

Actually, its always a curse...except the one time I beat Cici

[hoary forge]

LMAO

[rich vault]

I remember how I spent the whole night figuring out how stencil works in materials, by testing it in-game, those were the good times

[hoary forge]

Spending a whole night figuring stuff out is always fun

[plush wedge]

I wonder how many human lives have been cumulatively wasted by individual creators rederiving how undocumented behavior works for themselves by painstakingly testing it and not publishing their findings. Everyone does it

[wet shell]

Preview day

[rough path]

Kayla is forcing the graphics team to change every color to colour in deferred rendering

[rich vault]

Don't give them ideas

[rough path]

[rich vault]

https://tenor.com/view/youre-your-gif-22328611

This preview better be good

or else

[lavish ocean]

Wow it’s Wednesday again already

[tropic chasm]

Time passes too fast

[limber ledge]

Can you believe that soon we will see the 1.22.80 version. Time flies!

[half depot]

NO

[dreamy bison]

i spent like 25 minutes trying to figure out why 'fadeColour' wasn't working only to realise its actually called 'fadeColor'

);

[half depot]

A good compromise (although probably wouldn't be easy at all) would be to find a way to allow both spellings

[rough path]

Fun fact, Legends does that

@earnest pagoda can vouch, they use both spellings of behaviour 🤣

[half depot]

That's cool

[earnest pagoda]

The annoyance that was lol

[wet shell]

Well look who it is

[wet shell]

This means we’re getting some new deferred goodies this week

[earnest pagoda]

Yeah I am here now instead of Legends

[wet shell]

[earnest pagoda]

But I'm making Legends

[wet shell]

In bedrock

[half depot]

sigh when I don't have time to work on much of anything other than school right now

[earnest pagoda]

Yep

[wet shell]

That’s what I’m guessing cause I saw the pic

[earnest pagoda]

Clever Camel > vanilla camel

@rough path Make Legends deferred rendering settings pack 😅

[wet shell]

Do you guys plan to make world gen like legends world gen on bedrock ?

[wet shell]

Default deferred already looks like legends graphics

[rough path]

We need custom.biomes forst

[earnest pagoda]

Well yes, it was ported to Bedrock from Legends

[rough path]

https://smokeystack.dev/blog/bedrock-world-gen

Cough

[wet shell]

Bruh

[earnest pagoda]

It was lol

[wet shell]

Then why do they have to add everything back one by one

[earnest pagoda]

I talked to the person who created it originally as a 2 week experiment on their vacation, @rough path was listening to the call lol

[wheat wasp]

Can someone sum up the above discussion.

[earnest pagoda]

Because the engine was heavily modified for Legends.

[wet shell]

The original creator of deferred???!!

[earnest pagoda]

Yes lol

[wheat wasp]

Sounds about right

[earnest pagoda]

Legends uses deferred, it's where it came from

[wheat wasp]

RTX was some executives kids science project I bet..

[earnest pagoda]

Said person is also working on vanilla now which means we should see lots of cool new things for deferred etc. coming(they do not work for MS or Mojang, they work for BBI)

[wet shell]

Well hopefully we can get waving foliage aswell

That’s what I’m mostly excited for

[earnest pagoda]

I think it's likely we will

[wet shell]

Hurray

[wheat wasp]

Sad people cant get funding and priorities to dev quality stuff on their work hours.

Instead its an extra effort projects.

[wet shell]

Legends deferred rendering runs very well on my switch too so I think switch players will get deferred in bedrock

When it releases

[earnest pagoda]

Likely, it was implemented for performance

[wet shell]

Deferred being in legends first also explains why we haven’t gotten an actual graphics update in bedrock for all platforms until now

[earnest pagoda]

A lot has been backported from Legends(ie camera stuff years ago but it's only becoming really usable now)

[limber tiger]

I'm starting to think that we ain't getting bundles until 1.21.40

[wet shell]

Interesting

[earnest pagoda]

looks at the day

[prisma steeple]

that doesn't seem that far?

[limber tiger]

I know it's preview day but

[earnest pagoda]

Just a few hours

[limber tiger]

In a month at least

[prisma steeple]

1 month isn't long considering how much we've already waited for them

[limber tiger]

I don't see any bundles in .30 previews

[wet shell]

Bundles might get released today

[rough path]

Thays...4 weeks

[prisma steeple]

4 weeks is nothing...

HCF gave me the patience for anything

[celest sluice]

Yea but usually people would exaggerate and say 2030 or something

[wet shell]

Real

But I agree

Time flies

[earnest pagoda]

Idk mobbo showed up in my world and gave me a bundle

[wet shell]

No way!

[earnest pagoda]

Real

[wet shell]

Bro has all the connections

[wet shell]

How.

[earnest pagoda]

Mobbo showed up and gave me it

[wet shell]

My man is secretly a dev

[celest sluice]

Hmm, that looks a little different from what showcased 🤔

[earnest pagoda]

Nope but they should just hire me

[earnest pagoda]

🤔

[wet shell]

Oh wait

I saw your tweets

[celest sluice]

But the fact you're showing it this early says something

[earnest pagoda]

I am a piglin wizard 🤷‍♂️

[celest sluice]

True

[rough path]

Custom biomes being experimental longer than HCF now

[prisma steeple]

never touched biomes

[wet shell]

Custom biomes return when

Why were they even removed in the first place

[celest sluice]

After custom structures or something idk

[prisma steeple]

because 1.18 happened

all the generation code changed

[wet shell]

Ah

[celest sluice]

Less removed and more stopped working. Since you know, caves and cliffs

[wet shell]

And they still haven’t found a fix?

[prisma steeple]

it's probably not their priority right now

[celest sluice]

I think they just aren't fully working on it atm

[prisma steeple]

prob just trying to flesh out the blocks, items, and scripting stuff before focusing on anything else more

[earnest pagoda]

Once we can do custom biomes then ah