General Discussion

[charred ocean]

just hold it and click it and boom! Version changed!

[wet shell]

Yeah but

How does it switch the terrain and structures out

Does it like tp you to another spot?

[charred ocean]

idk

oh wait that could be it. The blocks could getting replaced as it's a parkour maze kinda thing

it dosen't tp you yeah

you just keep walking until you reached the end of the map

The finish line

[heady sable]

DE-EXPERIMENTALIZED HCF 😩🔥🔥🔥

[rough path]

[simple badger]

[quasi wedge]

one less toggle that people can forget to enable and try to tell me my add-on is broken

[simple badger]

[red dove]

lmao, man's neck is broken

[rough path]

🙏 1.21.20: cancel event for on interact to cancel the swing animation and allow beforeDamageDurability to other sources not just hitting entities

[toxic horizon]

Is it a bug when you are in creative mode that when you bone meal a 2x2 of dark oak, is it supposed to grow instantly with just 1 bone meal?

[heady sable]

That is intended

[rough path]

All crops isntantly grow in creative

[toxic horizon]

oh

[wet shell]

i hope mhafys ship will be updated and work after the removal

it’s the best vehicle addon on bedrock

😭

[toxic horizon]

I was testing my vein miner and I just found that out xD

[hasty grotto]

happens after viewing the cape

sometimes the head rotation doesnt get fixed after exiting the cape selection screen

[rotund pivot]

Why they are replacing custom blocks and items with the new system? Also, does that mean one day in the future they will do the same thing for mobs too?

[rough path]

with the new system?
More powerful
will do the same thing for mobs too?
No idea

[gusty sedge]

I'm very confident that the reason they're removing HCF rather than having both systems is that it was just kind of abandoned pretty soon after it was made, and so they've decided to just clean up the older toggles now that they're working on scripting now, rather than fixing whatever issues kept it from being in stable

[wheat wasp]

Budget and staff bandwidth.

[slender wren]

That's like the most false statement you can make about the Bedrock add-on team.

[limber tiger]

Yeah Add-ons

What about Resource Packs

[slender wren]

Add-ons = Resources + Bahavior

[rough path]

Priorities I guess. The item texture also has a workaround so a lower priority probably. Whereas block/item events, thats high

[limber tiger]

If you consider RP as Add-ons that's some really huge difference

Because yes Add-ons needs Behaviour & Resources

However when it comes to just RP

[limber tiger]

Yeah but that should be imo a high priority because there is no fix for that

One but that isn't working for everything

[rough path]

Attacheable method doesnt work for every item?

[limber tiger]

Nope

[willow sequoia]

I mean attachables would fix it but it would be annoying as heck

[limber tiger]

Snowball, arrows & wolf armor

[slender wren]

Add-ons = Resources ∪ Behavior
This mean that RP ⊂ Addons
So anything affecting resource packs also affects add-ons

[rough path]

The attacehable system is compliacted though so I understand

[limber tiger]

Yeah

and because of that you can't figure out how to fix some items

because their attachables is different from the normal ones

so we are "fucked" and have to wait months and months and months

it's been a year now since this bug was reported

[rough path]

Hopefully once server side is settled, they pivot focus to client side

[limber tiger]

yeah

[willow sequoia]

Soon™️

[wet shell]

i hope my favorite addons will be updated after the removal of hfc

[dreamy bison]

here's hopin'

[rough path]

https://x.com/ibxtoycat/status/1793005052656767110 oh that's clever

Andrew (Toycat) (@ibxtoycat) on X

2015 is being celebrated with... fleece friends. Clever allusion to Microsoft without directly saying it, I guess!

Twitter · May 21, 2024, 7:44 PM

[wheat wasp]

What does this note refer to?

[rough path]

There was an issue where the vanilla files were'nt generated properly. They fixed that

[wheat wasp]

ok. I'm updating my vanilla ref files to current. This is the right version then?

[rough path]

Should be yes

[wet shell]

@celest sluice I bet you worked on this one

😏

[rich vault]

Wow you should gamble professionally /j

[wet shell]

Ssr today

🤞

[limber ledge]

I heard today is wednesday 🥹

But what if they will delay our wednesday to tomorrow? 💀

[ivory rain]

Wed nes day :D

[willow sequoia]

But what is Thursday

[limber tiger]

https://www.minecraft.net/en-us/article/minecraft-snapshot-24w21a

[willow sequoia]

Old piston sounds! Yippee!

[ivory rain]

wow java is getting data driven jukeboxes now

[willow sequoia]

One can hope… 😢

[quasi wedge]

just lowering the original sound was the way to go

[sonic musk]

I've been finger crossing for ssr so much
they are about to break 💀

[quasi wedge]

say it's not so, Java got it 😭

me when "minecraft:record"

[rich vault]

More like When's-beta-day

[fluid wadi]

@n for Nearest Entity

[eternal shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/drinking-drunk-halloween-bottoms-up-wednesday-adams-gif-4635197

[prisma niche]

Isn't this a good day? :3

[half depot]

Huh piston got reverted

Cool

[sonic musk]

good

[elfin flower]

me when the 15th anniversary addon

[celest sluice]

Look at them go!

[elfin flower]

sadly these things have no gravity so it just falls into the block when pushed by water

[austere mirage]

Beta ?

[wet shell]

Preview soon

Hopefully

🙏

[sonic musk]

Theta ?

[quasi wedge]

But where Kayla

[sonic musk]

Kayla at basalt delta

[half depot]

Fighting off magma cubes

[prisma niche]

Please, ping me when the changelog is available

[sonic musk]

hopefully she doesn't get gamma radiation from the cubes

[chrome plover]

minecraft alpha when

[sonic musk]

here https://feedback.minecraft.net/hc/en-us/articles/26739672012045-Minecraft-Beta-Preview-1-21-0-26

[half depot]

💀

😭

[rich vault]

Best case scenario: we get 1.21.10.20 this very second
Worst case scenario: we get 1.21.0.27 next week

[austere mirage]

https://feedback.minecraft.net/hc/en-us/articles/26899699762061-Minecraft-Beta-Preview-1-21-10-20

CHANGELOG

@prisma niche

[wet shell]

YAY

[rich vault]

Ah so best case scenario then

[heady sable]

https://feedback.minecraft.net/hc/en-us/articles/26899699762061/ Oh I am too late

[prisma niche]

❤️

[wet shell]

AW MAN NO SSR

[sonic musk]

@rich vault Rejoice

Removed an errant 10 times multiplier in atmospheric scattering in the Deferred Technical Preview
This is expected to cause skies in existing packs to become darker and will require content creators to multiply their Rayleigh Strength, Mie Sun Strength, and Mie Moon Strength each by a factor of 10 to achieve the same visual result as before
Corrected an issue with the ACES tonemapper in the Deferred Technical Preview on Android. ACES tonemapping should now provide the expected results on Android. This should cause no changes on other platforms
Volumetric fog density settings are now supported for weather when a format_version of 1.21.0 or higher is specified in the Deferred Technical Preview

aces has been fixed in android

[wet shell]

Hey they fixed the thumbnail screenshot bugs for both rtx and deferred

[sonic musk]

and also weather has been finally fixed

[wet shell]

That’s a good fix

[prisma niche]

Wait am I dreaming?

[half depot]

Also this is sick

[prisma niche]

Finally!

[wet shell]

First rtx fix in years

💀

[half depot]

Also weather fog working now is such a W

[prisma niche]

it never worked?

[wet shell]

No new features tho

😭

[half depot]

Not for volumetric fog. You couldn't control that

[prisma niche]

cool new stable apis

[sonic musk]

yes all the way from the start when deferred vol fog was introduced

[wet shell]

Hcf removed?

[half depot]

Well it actually couldn't be defined at all before

[sonic musk]

I was vocal for like 2 weeks and forgot about it

[half depot]

I also believe the sky changes are to help with overly aggressive sky reflections

which I adjusted for but hey ig time to readjust again

[limber tiger]

& the item bug for RP is not fixed... seriously mojang please

[willow sequoia]

@quasi wedge no fallDistance anymore

[heady sable]

MOAR TOGGLES 🙏

[random karma]

No way custom dimensions and enchantments.

[sonic musk]

@wet shell no ssr
you said finger crossed

[willow sequoia]

Real

[quasi wedge]

you're joking

[willow sequoia]

Also custom potions, neat

[random karma]

In all seriousness the flattening stuff is awesome.

[sonic musk]

is the bot down?

[quasi wedge]

also, guess I'm redoing my custom potions lol

[wet shell]

And LESS toggles

If hcf is removed now

[quasi wedge]

but fallDistance is crucial to actually detecting fall distance

[wet shell]

Aajabrams is online

I need to ask him a question later

[half depot]

I'm waiting on update roll out

[prisma niche]

Neat preview

[half depot]

I need to see how much I need to change my sky

[wet shell]

Still no sign in iOS

[half depot]

If at all

[willow sequoia]

Also

[heady sable]

It isn't mentioned in the changelog yet

[quasi wedge]

yeah I'll need to see how that actually works. But this guts my current iteration for my agility system

[wet shell]

Now TestFlight isn’t loading

😭

[prisma niche]

Curious how it'll work. I guess only vanilla effects?

[quasi wedge]

also no #1019665690233405500

[willow sequoia]

Yeah

Custom effects aren’t possible, so

[prisma niche]

I'll take it

[willow sequoia]

@rough path post pls

[rough path]

Uhhh, one of yall do it

Im busy woth mc discord

[prisma niche]

Only admins can make posts

[ionic ocean]

https://discord.com/channels/523663022053392405/1242868295225315388

[simple badger]

yay

[half depot]

No more cursed lighting shadowless RTX world previews

[simple badger]

Oh yeah

[half depot]

And no more this

[elfin flower]

this today preview comes with dpad update again

also looks like the heart animation seems to be fixed, can't wait to try it though

[celest sluice]

Don't seem to see what changes they mean that haven't been done in the last preview cycle

[elfin flower]

yeah i don't even know what's new or not since i use controller primarily to play the game

[celest sluice]

I have a touchscreen on my laptop so I can check

[elfin flower]

the only thing i know is, no more camera spinning when swipping up and down with dpad

[sleek grail]

It was phrased weirdly, it's in stable now

[quasi wedge]

oh really?

thank goodness

[languid tinsel]

Happy preview!

[wet shell]

I’m gonna buy Minecraft on my new phone since it’s on sale

I think it’s time to give my switch a rest

I’ve had it for 4 years now

[simple badger]

Weird, I can edit the bottom button, but the top button stays in place

Anyone else having this issue?

[elfin flower]

it was somewhat hardcoded for now

[past wharf]

It seems it has been fixed letsgo

[hasty grotto]

https://fxtwitter.com/SmokeyStack_/status/1793328683303780707

uh oh

[heady sable]

You know... that person is in this Discord as well 😁

[rough path]

He is? Where?!?! I'm hist biggest fan

[heady sable]

I will tell him when he comes around

[stoic junco]

I'm his biggest hater don't tell him that thx

[obsidian lark]

I don't like them. They pinged me not too long ago. /s

Is /gameplay/hud the hotbar and stuff? Hopefully performance is fine.

[past wharf]

What they can change with the hotbar ?

Maybe the mobile inventory which looks wrong ?

[quasi wedge]

I can only count 2

that being said, I don't know if they should really update in game interfaces until they have updates to all of them

[simple badger]

I can't count

[hoary forge]

They have nothing in them for now so nothing too interesting to share sadly

[hasty grotto]

currently touch has issues where the input isnt registered at all if you click in quick succession

[limber tiger]

yes lol

[hoary forge]

This is funny

[limber tiger]

what

oh that's the Ore UI thing?

[hoary forge]

^^

Yeah

[limber tiger]

damn

I'm really wondering how this gonna look

[prisma steeple]

looks ready, ship it

[languid tinsel]

Looks ready to me

[quasi wedge]

that's pretty cool, can't wait to remove it

[lapis sierra]

If they remaking UI maybe they can add some new functionality

[quasi wedge]

well, I'm already replacing all the crafting systems aside from the table

[lapis sierra]

You should make a Add-On where you have to craft things atom by atom

In 20 years you'll get a pickaxe

[simple badger]

[ivory rain]

you should make an Add-On that replicates the properties of quarks, atoms and molecules. so you can create a 1:1 replica of the universe within your computer

[stoic junco]

omg

[sonic musk]

villager outfit is goated

[elfin flower]

Detroit: Become villager

[tropic chasm]

hm

[wet shell]

I say put a build of the sdgp in there https://www.minecraft.net/en-us/article/the-minecraft-time-capsule

🤷‍♂️

[past wharf]

You are very matrixed with graphics, it is just cubes

[simple badger]

[slender wren]

Advancement made: Become villager

.

Bruh

[rough path]

https://discord.com/channels/1138536747932864532/1244446544053276733 🙏 Please upvote

[simple badger]

Okay

[prisma niche]

I like

[rough path]

🙏 We need it

[prisma niche]

Yes we need it, and it would be super cool!

[heady sable]

Updooted 🎺

[chrome plover]

I forget, are custom components still in experimental in the previews?

[dawn fable]

yes

[ivory rain]

i think it will be experimental in 1.21.0 and then be in stable at 1.21.10. who knows

[chrome plover]

awesome! I'm excited

[tropic chasm]

#announcements message

[heady sable]

https://www.minecraft.net/en-us/article/mcc-x-minecraft MCC Event in Bedrock

[tropic chasm]

It better not be limited to english speakers

[rough path]

[balmy spire]

41 upvotes, cmon y’all

[rough path]

One of the highest upvoted posts in the api channel 🙏

[tropic chasm]

Now that we are upvoting feedback posts, please upvote this one as well 🥺 https://discord.com/channels/1138536747932864532/1192588611095384115

[balmy spire]

omg yes that would be amazing

upvoted

[teal acorn]

What about this one? https://discord.com/channels/1138536747932864532/1239656549975330917

[half depot]

I'm late to the party but let's go

[quasi wedge]

erm, it's add-on*

Maybe Microsoft should figure out what a hyphen is am I right?

[balmy spire]

what the sigma

[ivory rain]

what the ligma

[willow sequoia]

Fishing for feedback in other channels? Ok buddy, BANNED

[ivory rain]

while we're at it, i also want this: #1239656549975330917 message

at this rate upvote everything

[willow sequoia]

Upvote mine:

[balmy spire]

waiting

[willow sequoia]

(I don’t have a post in there)

[balmy spire]

oh (me neither)

[balmy spire]

i don’t know what this means but UPVOTE

[willow sequoia]

Read & write to other areas of addons

[balmy spire]

ohhhh

dope

[ivory rain]

for this case, its not my post but hey it sounds good so why not

(i doubt it'll be implemented anyway -- at least not in one bussiness day)

[balmy spire]

real

[stoic junco]

In bedrock edition!? Exciting!

[balmy spire]

i really hope this gets added

[tropic chasm]

You lack of vision

[rough path]

https://vxtwitter.com/harristic_/status/1795171447846879607?t=Vl76dSVXHeyFl6GIUFkJSg&s=19 👀

[stoic junco]

that goes hard

[hoary forge]

I honestly never knew that I follow that guy

(The head of Minecraft)

[wet shell]

Mcc is finally coming to bedrock

Unfortunately I don’t think we will see the YouTubers tho

[elfin flower]

it's pretty low chance of bedrock youtubers to participate.

[ivory rain]

jayly is a bedrock youtuber

[pure gull]

By the way, we have found that response from feedback site using "recently".

[hoary forge]

Why would there be a 1.20.90?

It’s already obvious that the next release is 1.21.0

[pure gull]

The position has changed recently, I think.

[limber ledge]

I think this week’s Preview will out in Thursday since yesterday was a memorial day in the US

[rough path]

https://x.com/Prowl8413/status/1795413670240928092?t=HLXrIT0BiAJICCCrwlgCSQ&s=19

Prowl8413 (@Prowl8413) on X

From a Minecraft Dev (no need to out them, it's not their fault at all). Proof that meeting deadlines is more important than the player experience to Mojang as a company.

They are pushing this update, when structures still have bugs....

Twitter · May 28, 2024, 11:15 AM

[prisma niche]

What?

[hoary forge]

huh

I wonder if they’re now scared because of what happened in CnC

[ivory rain]

its kinda good and sad at the same time.

[heady sable]

The person that made the image failed to hide the name 💀

[simple badger]

Lmao

[wet shell]

What is cnc

[simple badger]

Caves and cliffs

[valid thistle]

why censor?

mine is
LG72V-Q2PP7-VT42X-V4G36-62HHF

[charred ocean]

privacy thing. to make sure no one redeemed it

[valid thistle]

what

[charred ocean]

or else it would have been wasted right

that one was for myself

i ain't dumb to share stuff for myself to others

[wet shell]

Bro

You just put the redeem code in here and someone could use it

Before you do

[valid thistle]

i already claimed that

thats what i meant

[wet shell]

Oh

Nvm

[tribal torrent]

they didnt care in easter, a more widespread holiday, so they wouldnt care much about rn

preview day tomorrow?

:doggysmurkW:

[languid tinsel]

I genuinely thought it was wednesday and it waas preview day

[languid tinsel]

Deleted tweet?

[rough path]

Looks like it is

[languid tinsel]

i wonder why they censored the names when you can find the og tweet

[simple badger]

I find it funny how you can see the username in the reply

[wheat wasp]

No one said ytb'ers were smart.

[simple badger]

[sleek grail]

Think I saw the tweet before it was deleted

[ivory rain]

i guess we all know the name of the dev now

[wet shell]

Hmm I wonder what they’re meeting about

That’s soooo important

And no I’m not assuming deferred stuff

😂

[hasty grotto]

lmao

great job hiding out the name

huh atleast he deleted it

silly prowl

[tribal torrent]

preview day today?

:doggysmurkW:

[sonic musk]

Hopefully

[fluid wadi]

It was Memorial Day in the US on Monday, which is a national holiday for those who don't know. That might mean there won't be a preview today.

[wet shell]

Perhaps

[austere mirage]

Pre release is out on java

[wet shell]

1.21 announcement day ig

[tribal torrent]

#1019692489596215388 message

[obsidian lark]

Also plenty of people work memorial day. It's easy holiday pay.

[tribal torrent]

i get holiday pay even though i didnt work that day

but yeah preview day is defo today

[tribal torrent]

naw its not day 15 of 15 years of minecraft celebration yet

[fluid wadi]

Oh, didn't see that.

[rough path]

https://www.minecraftexperience.com/

[half depot]

What

This is kinda cool

[wet shell]

Man I wish I could go

☹️

[azure spade]

When Preview?

Ladies and Gentlemen, it is with great honour to announce that it might be preview day

When do Previews usually happen?

Previews usually occur on a Wednesday or Thursday between <t:1703692800:t> and <t:1703700000:t>

May 29, 2024, 3:02 PM

[heady sable]

1.21.10.21 preview iOS

[half depot]

Yep it is out

[rough path]

Really? In the middle of MY fortnite match?

[tropic chasm]

DIE

LOSE THE MATCH

Honest motivational messages

[wet shell]

Yay

Ssr hopefully

[rich vault]

It's out on android as well

[half depot]

Maybe not in a minor release but we will see when changelog

[wet shell]

Change log when

[simple badger]

Got the update

[wet shell]

Already?

[simple badger]

Yeah

Android for now

Haven't tried on PC

[wet shell]

Check if it has ssr

[half depot]

Why are we sideways

[wet shell]

Bruh mine takes forever to update

[half depot]

My college WiFi is shockingly good so it updated fast

[tropic chasm]

There's no article yet, it seems

[wet shell]

Imagine PlayStation support today

[simple badger]

Didn't see any

[wet shell]

https://tenor.com/view/ponke-ponkesol-monke-monkey-cry-gif-11763130847124576621

[simple badger]

Maybe it's it's some update to SSS or something small

[wet shell]

Maybe you have to enable it

[calm briar]

changelog when👀

[wet shell]

Did u check the settings

[simple badger]

No setting for SSR

[heady sable]

https://feedback.minecraft.net/hc/en-us/articles/27128575309325-Minecraft-Beta-Preview-1-21-10-21

[wet shell]

Dang it

[half depot]

None

No SSR

[simple badger]

Had reflections at ultra

[simple badger]

No deferred changes

[wet shell]

Bro

Small preview

😭

[half depot]

Small preview

As I said

Don't expect anything too crazy from a minor update

[simple badger]

Yeah

[half depot]

we did get color grading from a minor update though

[simple badger]

Curious if there's any internal changes

[past wharf]

make it a feature

[half depot]

We also got point light shadows from a minor update

[wet shell]

Any new deferrerd feature has came from minor updates

[half depot]

But I still wouldn't expect anything huge from one

[charred ocean]

didn't know we could play minecraft vertically 😂

Minecraft but playing vertically

[ivory rain]

you also didnt know both screen recording and screenshot functionalities a mobile phone can have

[charred ocean]

i do. I use them daily

it's just that I didn't know about vertical mode

[ivory rain]

yep the UI supports pretty much any screen size, playability depends lol

[elfin flower]

Also, the game supports screen scaling real-time.

if you have a samsung dex, any desktop environment via some dongle to monitor or maybe multi-tasking windows, the game does resize or scale like what you would in windows. doesn't need to restart or anything

[wet shell]

https://x.com/minecraft/status/1796164897249558749?s=46

Minecraft (@Minecraft) on X

NETFLIX & CRAFT ⛏️

From Netflix & Mojang Studios, an animated Minecraft series is officially in the works.

Twitter · May 30, 2024, 1:00 PM

Story mode return????!!!

[hoary forge]

https://youtu.be/sVfYxIV0vOQ

Posted this in the wrong channel like a second ago, oops-

[wet shell]

Can’t wait to see deferred rendering be used in this show

😂

[sonic musk]

no?

[wet shell]

I’m joking

[sonic musk]

oh

[elfin flower]

eh technically, story mode already kinda exists in netflix

it's actually a sort of playable story mode campaign with improved graphics, but it looks like a video interactive thing

[wet shell]

They removed it

I think

[elfin flower]

it probably still there

after all it's just an interactive video version and not an actual game.

[tropic chasm]

My self kid would have been very happy, too bad it took 15 years

[rough path]

https://x.com/Minecraft/status/1796194895742337216?t=xuCYKkLsw8HcNFbPedcR9g&s=19

Minecraft (@Minecraft) on X

🚨 The Tricky Trials Update official release: June 13

Learn more here: https://t.co/JoJJOLXpYG

Twitter · May 30, 2024, 3:00 PM

[rough path]

@ionic ocean release date

[tropic chasm]

finally is Publix

[simple badger]

W

[languid tinsel]

Tricky Trials!

[elfin flower]

red dog

[cedar orbit]

blue cat

[sonic musk]

yo?? spider update?

[celest sluice]

Local Minecrafter discovers cave spiders

[sonic musk]

wait what cave spiders?

[celest sluice]

cave spiders. https://minecraft.wiki/w/Cave_spider

[tropic chasm]

He’s talking about spiders in walls

[rough path]

Please no

[tropic chasm]

Why

Do you fear spiders

[sonic musk]

I was joking lmao

[tropic chasm]

Sean fears spiders

https://tenor.com/view/spider-jumpscare-gif-19782759

[sonic musk]

spider climbing

[tropic chasm]

Climbing spiders would be fire

[sonic musk]

yeah it would add to an existing mob and make spiders interesting

[tropic chasm]

Another thing to the will never do Minecraft list

[languid tinsel]

hehe now I am picturing how goofy the keyart would look if the cave spiders were horizontal like they climb in game 🤣

[tropic chasm]

The key artist doesn’t plays Minecraft

[sonic musk]

lmao

[tropic chasm]

Imagine if animations were like that too

Look at the zombies and players

[sonic musk]

hold on sword in off hand?

[wet shell]

So many flaws in this pic

[sonic musk]

yup they don't play bedrock lmao

[rough path]

Alex is canonically left handed yes

[wet shell]

💀

[rough path]

In all her key art she always holds items in her left hand

[sonic musk]

is there a setting in bedrock that support lefty?

[chrome plover]

only in java

[sonic musk]

so i knew it they don't play bedrock

also where is the light ray coming from in the picture
deferred bug???

[charred ocean]

yes

[half depot]

I wouldn't call that being used in offhand due to perspective of the image

[limber tiger]

did we found the 1.21 panorama seed?

[half depot]

She's looking at us which would but the sword in her right hand and the shield in the left

[rough path]

No, alex is canonically left handed

[half depot]

Ok then

Nvm

[sonic musk]

No? The sword is in her left hand and the shield is in her Right hand and smokey is right

[half depot]

Oh shoot maybe I am messing up perspective

Ignore me

[hasty grotto]

its gone :(

[west storm]

Maybe Alex used "/replaceitem entity @s slot.weapon.offhand 0 diamond_sword"

[dreamy bison]

maybe she is just left handed?

[slender wren]

SHe is

cannonically

[dreamy bison]

yeah and thats also a setting in game

[prisma steeple]

*on java

[rough path]

https://x.com/JORAX79/status/1796645174866804799

Josh Mulanax (@JORAX79) on X

We have opened up 655 slots for the iOS version of Minecraft Preview! You can join now at https://t.co/GgjIiQYb9C.

As a reminder you can learn all about Preview here: https://t.co/PrYLjaDoBb

Twitter · May 31, 2024, 8:49 PM

[quasi wedge]

what determines the number of slots that open up?

It's always a specific number

[willow sequoia]

Inactive user count

[quasi wedge]

ah, kinda odd that you get kicked out for inactivity and that it has such limited space

[willow sequoia]

The limited space is apple's fault

The kicked for inactivity is the same reason, as the preview team wants as many active users as possible.

No point in wasting limited testflight spots on players who never play

[quasi wedge]

good job apple

[willow sequoia]

real

[stoic junco]

when the preview app crashes on iOS do they receive and actually review crash reports?

[wet shell]

I did a few for when deferred crashes

[elfin flower]

looks like they updated the touch scheme videos in the latest preview.

[rough path]

https://x.com/SmokeyStack_/status/1795857785889939770?t=hfEsFHmlPLlfdFm2tpDpEg&s=19

SmokeyStack (@SmokeyStack_) on X

Seems the video clips for the touch controls tutorial has been updated. Clips below:

Twitter · May 29, 2024, 4:40 PM

[elfin flower]

i love these videos quality

240p with lowest bitrate possible

[tropic chasm]

inclusion

[south bay]

they will be played once when selecting touch scheme, why not

[elfin flower]

it looks funny to me tbh

the video also speeds up too.

[south bay]

ahh thats, same

[heady sable]

Saving storage space

[random ivy]

has the custom item on use been added to a preview?

[elfin flower]

meanwhile the music/soundtrack takes nearly 70%~ of the game itself

[ivory rain]

does anyone know when the Pride cape is getting reinstated back in the dressing room. its already june. i just want to claim that cape

[dreamy bison]

on god

give me my gay cape

[ivory rain]

🙏

[tribal prism]

still no deferred in the ps4/5 preview?

[wet shell]

Unfortunately no

But its most likely the next platform deferred will come to

[hoary forge]

https://youtu.be/PIAP8peEppI
https://youtu.be/19ya8NUqNQo

[lapis sierra]

Waiting for them to give Bedrock the cold shoulder and just mention the marketplace.

[quasi wedge]

Add-ons? never heard of those

[gusty sedge]

They were made like a month ago I think

I wish there was a way to make them outside of the marketplace though

[rough path]

Addons

[chrome plover]

you mean mods?

[rough path]

Let's have a discussion about custom block/item events at the feedback discord: https://discord.com/channels/1138536747932864532/1247270208519929967

[willow sequoia]

Let’s not, how about that

[rough path]

@tropic chasm you might be interested

[rough path]

Yeah @sleek grail , our convo from yesterday about decreasing durability and add-on interactability inspired this feedback post, would love to hear your thoughts

[quasi wedge]

This just looks like another post about parameters but disguised as something else

[rough path]

https://tenor.com/view/marvel-is-it-though-thor-bruce-banner-gif-14242312

[tropic chasm]

Ehh, to be honest I don’t see it like you probably do— the purpose of custom components is not so you create one wiki:on_interact for each plant, you would create wiki:fertilizer which does what bonemean do, and apply it to all your plants.

Very late response lol, I was beating Ganon for the second time in BOTW, you know, priorities

[rough path]

you would create wiki:fertilizer which does what bonemean do
Are you aware that each plant has a different growth method?

[tropic chasm]

Yeah, so wiki:fertilizer, the JS file intended for it, would have the function for each type of plant.

[rough path]

And what bout for plants for other add-ons?

[odd onyx]

HAHA

[tropic chasm]

I don’t do them separately, that would be crazy

[tropic chasm]

you would implement them just like you did with the vanilla ones

[rough path]

I dont think you actually understand what Im trying to say

[tropic chasm]

I see it pointless

I don’t see anything stopping me from doing that already

[rough path]

It's not pointless, it not only follows how Java does it, but allows for add-ons to communciate with each other as well

[tropic chasm]

Which you can already do

[sleek grail]

I don't think "Java does it" is a valid point

[odd onyx]

No yeah that's a little off

[ivory rain]

you're like that one pastor that knocks on every peoples doors and asks if we can talk about Jesus today

[tropic chasm]

Do you have a problem with the Jesus of feedback posts?

That’s a joke btw

Anyway

I don’t get what your suggestion adds. Is just like that “trigger event on neighboring blocks” thing you mentioned some time ago

[rough path]

Do you have a moment to upvote this post: https://discord.com/channels/1138536747932864532/1246645206066135090

[tropic chasm]

I can do exactly that already. What your post suggests too 🤷‍♂️

[rough path]

Let us also talk about our lord and saviour: Data Driven enchantments

[ionic ocean]

Okay, well, I think block events are pretty important. But we're kinda rehashing a conversation from months ago.

[ivory rain]

yup. done.

[tropic chasm]

Trying to understand what Sean wants us to have with that feedback post

I don’t see what’s new about it that we can’t already do tbh

Maybe I’m just too sad because I just completed Zelda Breath of the Wild for the second time

[sleek grail]

Suppose you wanted your bonemeal item to work on plants from other addons. You wouldn't know which block state you'd need to change for it to grow. The idea is that your bonemeal item triggers the "fertilize" event in the block

[tropic chasm]

The event that you also don’t know how is called?

[sleek grail]

Exactly my issue with it

[tropic chasm]

Probably why I see it pointless

[sleek grail]

Something like this'd only work if everyone followed the name scheme

[tropic chasm]

And if everyone followed it already, that’s something that is already possible to do

[sleek grail]

Even if you knew the block state's value, the plant could be doing something custom when it grows

[tropic chasm]

Since if everyone followed it you would know the block state name

[sleek grail]

Nope

I could have my plant spawn zombies when fully grown and then disappear

But that logic would be encapsulated in either randomTick or onInteract

[tropic chasm]

And what that has to do with fertilizing? Fertilizing just makes it change the state value of a block state, whatever happens when it changes is totally based on the plant

That behavior has NOTHING to do with the fertilizer itself

[sleek grail]

I could want this to happen when you fertilize it

[tropic chasm]

And… custom fertilizer implementation would need to be made by the user already

The suggestion wouldn’t solve that

I don’t know about you but I don’t believe in magic

[sleek grail]

Yes, and the idea is that the custom fertilizer implementation would be inside the event "fertilize"

[sleek grail]

Try harder

[tropic chasm]

Something you can already do with custom components 🤷‍♂️

Is all about following the basics of naming block states and stuff

Which since we can’t control, is pointless

[sleek grail]

An item from a different addon wouldn't be able to call that fertilize functionality

[tropic chasm]

I haven’t tried anything with custom item components so I wouldn’t be able to talk anything about that point

However, about blocks… sounds pointless

Try harder to change my mind LOL

[rough path]

I would love for Kai to make a custom bonemeal and make it work with my custom blocks then

That's your challenge

[sleek grail]

^^^

Do that

Then you'll see it's an issue

But I don't think the smokey's suggestion really solves that issue, but I've got nothing better to suggest

[tropic chasm]

Since naming schemas is an uncontrollable variable, with and without your suggestion, it may be impossible

Your suggestion will not change that issue, which means your solution is imaginary

[sleek grail]

Assume everyone uses minecraft:growth as the block state

[rough path]

How so?

[tropic chasm]

When I get into custom item components I may do 🤷‍♂️

Too focused with blocks as for now

[sleek grail]

You'd still be relying on people having the name of their event be "bonemeal" or something along those lines

I may call my event "namespace:bonemeal"

[rough path]

Valid criticism, regex time

[quasi wedge]

Mojang just needs to give use more predefined traits we can use, that way there is no name variance

[tropic chasm]

Literally what I’ve been telling you for the past 15 minutes

Your solution doesn’t solves the problem

[tropic chasm]

Exactly why I want connectable block trait and more

[rough path]

So you just want a JSON functionality to be lost then

[tropic chasm]

What?

What JSON functionality?

[rough path]

Froget about it, you have shown you won't change your mind

[tropic chasm]

If you convince me your solution solves something I will

That’s for sure

I’m sorry, I just see you presented a problem and a solution, but I don’t see how the solution solves the problem

[sleek grail]

It's one step closer to it

[tropic chasm]

I’ll read it a second time

I can imagine it being closer, but it’ll still be too similar to how close custom components would be as well

So I agree with Xterionix, it would work if everyone followed the naming schema.

Upvoted, a step closer is better than nothing

[heady sable]

The only thing I am wondering is; does your custom bonemeal have to work with custom blocks from another add-on? It's the add-on makers fault to not have it working, which should not be Mojangs problem to solve (imo)

[sleek grail]

I suppose that's one way to look at it

[rough path]

You dont have to do anything, whats the point of life.

It's just a nice quality of life thing if add-ons were more compatible and interactable with each other

[heady sable]

True, but then we could create thousands of these components at this point 😅

My stand is here mostly; is it worth the time to implement a certain (in this case fertilize component) component for the effect it has for the community

[rough path]

Libraries my guy. Try to create standards. It's not needed but it would be a nice quality of life to trigger events that doesn't necessarily have one particular trigger

[stoic orchid]

Add-Ons being self-contained and not sharing behavior between them, is kinda something we're encouraging creators do. The reason for this is managing versions. Imagine Add-On B is dependent on Add-On A. If Add-On A changes something, Add-On B may need to update to keep working. But there's no guarantee that Add-On B will do this, also it's not guaranteed the player would update both Add-Ons in lock-step fashion.

Ideally we can make this better some day, but for now, we're trying to start conservatively.

[rough path]

Fair enough, reasoning makes sense. Frustrated, but understandable

[sleek grail]

Personally don't like the idea having to rely on dependencies, but it'd be nice to have certain features from addon A work automatically with addon B

[ivory rain]

i mean we can already define dependencies via manifest the only hold up would be on updating and publishing these packs and marking them as dependencies

[wheat wasp]

A Bedrock built in "addon auditor, scanner and reporting system", for "feature" compatibility would be nice, even better if we could select a few addons to audit together.
So a user and other addon devs could simply scan their addon and others to get a compatibility report what will/wont work. What has and hasn't been modified.

And any specials notes included in the addons for known compatibility issues.

Since there is a baseline now, and all new updates are managed by Mojang adding an addon auditor should be doable and really helpful. Most this information is collected on addon submission process or could be scanned.

Something like

Addon A Audit Report: 
Manifest Min Version: 1.20.10

Modifies 23 files: List below 
RP Player Entity

Doesn't Modify these core files: 
BP Player Entity

Modifies this list of Entities
Modifies this list of blocks
Modifies this list of items...

Uses x scripting versions and features...

Addons adds list of Entities with these names..
Addons adds list of Blocks.

List of content logs errors by addon

If we're really going to give the power to the player to use lots of addons, we should enable them with tools to check, scan and test those addons together and apart.

Previously I've run servers up to 58 addons/mods at a time in the 1.14/1.16.0 on both java and bedrock and the number one thing we needed was tools to test them.

Instead of a "try it and suffer" or waste countless hours playing each to test them. We need tools to do this.

This kind of report would also make helping addons creators easier. As they could provide the help team with a scan of their addons which would have a report of the relevant information we always need.

[sleek grail]

We pretty much got that with mctools

[wheat wasp]

Yes but the target is OSS level devs not every day addons users or creators. So the information, interface and access needs to be changed.

Multi-pack scanning and cross compatability testing.

Other systems already do this too. So it wouldn't take much to get it working for everyone.

[sleek grail]

What reason would they have to support said system for every day creators?

[wheat wasp]

Because most server ops arent' devs. They are the ones who need these tools the most.

The kid hosting a local server for his friends. Needs this tool if you're going to give them stacking addons/mods.

I was NOT a dev when I was doing this. I was a normal addons/mod (USER) looking to enhance Minecraft.

[sleek grail]

That's more of a reason for why the users need it, not why they'd put time into something like this

[wheat wasp]

IMO if you're going to empower the user to use addons/mods you should also empower them with the correct tools to go with those addons/mods.

I think this is one of the core failures of java minecraft. Since everything is left to the community. If Mojang stepped in and provided basic mod compatibility tools.

I wouldn't be here today.

The only reason I'm here was those 58 Mods in java were so bad together... the addons in bedrock were so broken together... unplayable and no way to easily figure out which was the issue and which would work together after hundreds of hours trying.

I got tired of it and started to make my own.

If I simply had a tool to test them I wouldnt' of have to become a dev at all. I could have stayed a user. We hear this alot in the help channels. So I'd like to see better tools so more gamers can stay gamers.

Civilization 6 has this same issue, they have provided tools to help users solve it and they have saved me countless hours. I didn't have to become a Civ Addon dev in the process.

[stoic orchid]

FYI - the deprecation of Entity Permutations, Entity Aliases, and Volume will be effective this week's Preview. For more info: #announcements message

[tropic chasm]

https://tenor.com/view/my-reaction-to-that-information-star-wars-woj-wojtaki-gif-26045801

[rough path]

[stoic orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/robot-chicken-star-wars-lando-lando-calrissian-darth-vader-gif-19884256

[tropic chasm]

I was the kid kayla, you were Anakin 😂🙏

[ivory rain]

its kinda sad that entity aliases werent widely known

[rough path]

😔 Ik...

[stoic orchid]

It's ok, we have goodies going stable this week that ya'll should be happy about.

Item Custom Components

[rough path]

And then 1.21.20 can have parameter support and other qol for custom components

[cerulean quarry]

I wish custom components works for vanilla items as well

and vanilla blocks as well

[stoic orchid]

parameter support will take awhile

[rough path]

Ah.... 1.21.30 then

[languid tinsel]

oh ma gawwwwwd ❤️

[rough path]

🙏 We just need interact conditions and cancelling and durabiltiy damage to apply to all not just entity hit

[stoic orchid]

Here's another leak, and I'm looking at you @rough path for this one. You may find some evidence of Scripting API 2.0.0 in this week's preview. Don't get all hype about this. This is just us starting the prep work for the first major revision of scripting APIs. These will go through a normal beta review cycle with you all before release, but don't expect anything transformative. It's just us starting to practice a healthy release process.

[rough path]

#blamenavi

That's why he was being all secretive when I asked him

[rough path]

No hype from me, just a tweet and attach an explanation from you

ONLY HYPE WE HAVE IN THIS SERVER IS HCF's DEATH

[stoic orchid]

I love that ya'll are running a HCF death event

[rough path]

I KNOW kayla secretly wants to celebrate it as well

[willow sequoia]

With the amount of folks that use HCF, an event was needed to spread awareness of updated usage

Can’t wait for MCPEDL to burn down when HCF does finally vanish

[rough path]

My time to shine...

[willow sequoia]

Realms development is going to burn as well. Might do commissions and fix their HCF stuff

[languid tinsel]

I am so excited for semantic versioning to shine

[prisma niche]

I forgot it's Wednesday tomorrow.

[tropic chasm]

Connectable block trait when

[celest sluice]

in 6 months

[wet shell]

Wavy blocks via behavior packs when

[wheat wasp]

lol.

How about a simple filter per rideable seat. A single filter for all riders is a massive feature limit.

[tropic chasm]

kayla SIsilicon confirmed connectable block trait in 6 months

[celest sluice]

Hey hey now I'm just joking 😨

[stoic orchid]

I can't wait to see what you've built for us SISilicon!

[celest sluice]

Hoo boy you have no idea 😅

[ivory rain]

lets gooo. break the NDA.

https://tenor.com/view/hypnotize-dizzy-spinning-gif-17653652

[hoary forge]

We love HCF so much we had to celebrate its death

[tropic chasm]

Celebrate 💀

[wheat wasp]

Can we have a post mortem audit and what we learned from this?

[tropic chasm]

No

HCF is using a totem of undying

[celest sluice]

How will that help when it's being tossed into the void 🙂

[tropic chasm]

https://tenor.com/view/try-it-and-see-give-it-a-try-try-try-and-see-try-it-yourself-gif-24095805

[wheat wasp]

Any chance we'll get riders/seats to "bind" to a bone so they animate with the ride.

[celest sluice]

Honesly, I don't think so. Bones are client side, but a rider's position is server side

Maybe if it was just visual, but I'd prefer if the client position was the same as server one

[sleek grail]

Camel does it

It has a locator for it within the file

[wheat wasp]

Can that be used in custom entities?

[sleek grail]

Nope

[rich vault]

Does it also modify camera position?

[sleek grail]

I think it's just visual but could be wrong

[rich vault]

If this is what we have to do to animate camera with molang, so be it

[plush wedge]

I disliked these features so I'm actually very pleasantly surprised to see them removed, with removals usually being so rare and controversial

[rough path]

Whats wrong with them if I may ask?

I think permutations and aliases are neat

[tropic chasm]

What were permutations?

I never used any of them lol

[quasi wedge]

There was something broken with them somewhere

I had constant complaints about things not working about systems where I was using permutations

[rough path]

[quasi wedge]

And they worked for some people, and didn't for others

[rough path]

Great idea bad execution once again

[quasi wedge]

It even caused me to build verification checks on a player whenever they loaded into the world to make sure everything was correct, and then fix it

Permutations still wouldn't fire even then

[tropic chasm]

Aren't permutations another name of component groups?

idk what are they, but they sound like they would do the exact same

[quasi wedge]

They would directly modify the component without having to add and remove groups and run events

[tropic chasm]

Ah

I don't have any problem with that so probably why I never even knew about them

[plush wedge]

I had a couple issues with permutations. Firstly is that they, at least semantically, run every tick and try to synchronize the entity's component state with its property state. This is just weird because the property state changes in discrete moments, so polling constantly for those changes to synchronize the state instead of just doing it simultaneously is wasteful, and delays the invariant by upwards of a tick. Furthermore, they were difficult to reason about. Ideally, the active behaviors of an entity are derived entirely from which component groups are active. Now, that's not entirely true, since components override each other, and removing component groups doesn't really do what it says it does. But all that does is make the component state have order, which isn't too bad to mentally keep track of. But with permutations, now you have these extra like, ephemeral psuedo-groups that can add and remove each other (overriding components in other groups) at any random time, really exploding the possible state and making it much harder to reason about your entity's invariants.

As for aliases, just so cursed. If I want to run an event on spawn, I'll just do that. Don't lie to me about what the entity type is especially if it's not even gonna work in @e[type=].

[rough path]

For the alias part I can somewhat agree. An example I utilized was for the new wolf variants. Easier/faster for methan using spawn events

[stoic orchid]

I'm going to print this message and frame it. 🙂

[ionic ocean]

I guess I can't be too bummed out about their removal. I'd fallen in love with aliases lately, but I can always use the transformation component. I don't like the idea of spawn events, but I can get over myself.

[plush wedge]

Likewise for yours 😘

[sonic musk]

new pre-releasehttps://quiltmc.org/en/mc-patchnotes/#1.21-pre3

[cerulean quarry]

beta?

[wet shell]

Hopefully

[manic tinsel]

We have used alias once. With us looking at it now our usage was mainly out of interest of the concept looking forward we have no need for it on our projects it adds extra confusion with our team and what we used it for could have been a simple event trigger.

[tropic chasm]

Most of that stuff looks like there were no need from the beginning. My guess is that those who used them only used them because they knew they could use them, not because there was a real need.

[rough path]

I agree yes it can just be used with triggering events. But the concept to me was intriguing. I used it for https://vxtwitter.com/SmokeyStack_/status/1770826976774762524?t=IWaz0WKW9uXFgqWqk7EJUw&s=19 the wolves. I found it easier so I don't have to remember which event did what. Having separate spawn eggs that also triggered it was nice to me

Also curious, which project did yall use entity aliases for?

[manic tinsel]

We used it in Kung Fu Panda! Came from one member of our team just finding it and using it out of interest mainly. We used it for the teleport scrolls to spawn them with a set property value.

[charred ocean]

hohoho, the death note i used for HCF BECAME TRUE FINALLY 😈

[oak sinew]

Using entity aliases made it so that one could run two events at once.
Having two versions of a mob essentially meant that one could cut the amount of events in half. Even more if there were more than two aliases.

[quasi wedge]

Any idea what this error is related to? happened today after preview updated. I cannot discern what the error is because my minecraft server is already on 1.13.0-beta.

[rough path]

Did you register your custom component?

[quasi wedge]

not that part of the log 🗿

It's causing instant crashes for my game and this is the only new content log error that has popped up after updating

[rough path]

Have you tried removing werver ui?

[quasi wedge]

removing server ui fixes it, but I can't really do anything without it

[rough path]

Darknavi...

[quasi wedge]

At least that narrows down the cause of the crashing to be the whatever this error is

[hoary forge]

Pretty sure that's a warning, not an error

But that has never caused a crash for me

[willow sequoia]

Bro was informed 💀

[quasi wedge]

ah wait, yeah it just breaks the whole thing anyways, that's not the cause

[hoary forge]

JSON-UI?

[quasi wedge]

great 😔 time for the fantastic trouble shooting time where I get to comment out every thing and slowly add them back in

It's crazy that I changed nothing between now and yesterday when it worked

[stoic junco]

That's not an error which king mentioned, that just means server-ui 1.2.0-beta depends on stable server at 1.8.0, but your manifest wants 1.13.0-beta. So your manifest is overriding the default and promoting it.

[quasi wedge]

Yep. I think I found the cause, but it makes zero sence. I had a system.runInterval sitting in my main not nested in any event that was driving all of my ticking systems, and that is now causing my game to instant crash on world load

[wheat wasp]

Feedback:

HCF - We are still seeing people trickle in asking what HCF is, how it effects their addons, while they weren't told sooner, why this wasn't told upfront....

I think this shows even after months of telling people here and twitter, it's NOT enough and a better official communication system/hub needs created. The main Minecraft channel needs to be used to announce the new addon/dev hub with maybe even a popup in Minecraft.

(I normally hate these, I think the issues is bad enough it needs to be corrected)

Maybe the new creator hub is in the Bedrock Client as a toggle to get Dev Updates/messages/alerts from Mojang.

Do you make addons? Toggle on the new Addon Dev Announcement Hub to get updates, alerts and critical change warnings directly from Mojang.

Expecting creators to join discord, isn't working after months and months of trying. I think it's time to build a proper hub for informing the creators directly.

[quasi wedge]

Anyone making add-ons should have been prepared for this

We've known about it for months and I don't think there would be any better way to get the information out there aside from a separate Minecraft technical channel where things like this are announced, but you'll run into the same issue

Most users don't even know how to turn on any of the experimental toggles properly to load up an add-on

[wheat wasp]

Why would a first time creators thats 12, Know that? We should meet all creators where they are at.

If this was UE5 sure. But this is Minecraft. most creators are first timers and many come from poor education systems. So IMO we should do everything we can to help them and information them.

Expecting them to know about this discord channel seems odd to me. It would be very easy to miss if you haven't had issue or needed help.

If they are under 13 they can't even use discord. Right. So who is communicating to those customers and creators?

You expect them to be on twitter?

or read the tech docs? Thats seems like a massive out of touch request

[quasi wedge]

I don't think the main channel will ever be used to admit that add-ons outside of the marketplace exist (this is a joke). It's meant for promotional videos about upcoming vanilla content.

[wheat wasp]

Sure just my oppion. It would also bring lots of new creators in.

[quasi wedge]

I don't think a toggle in the client would be any better, this is just how add-on creation/modding works, I think it's up to the creator to stay updated on current information

[wheat wasp]

I disagree. I think while it's nice if they would. They haven't and aren't in the REAL world. So we have a some choices in the real non acedemic world.

Blame them and say the customer/creator should know better and just do it. (Saying "First time creators should know better" when they come from 200 counties, and could be any age with any edu background is ass backward statement to IME it also shows a lack of empathy)

We've all miss basic concepts. We all only know what we know and don't know what we don't know.

So acting like everyone should just know it and be able to be as expert dev on their first try as you are seems out of touch to reality.

I've 30+ years in to trying this and still miss basic stuff daily. So should I just be left behind.

NO! No creators should just be left behind because they didn't join discord or understand what HCF.

Lets be clear this was never planned to take this long. Mojang needs to take some reasonability for this mess and create a better communications hub to prevent this in the future and meet their creators and customer at their skill and understanding.

Not expecting kids and new creators to understand programming and development. That's crazy out of touch. Once more this isn't UE5.

[stoic orchid]

Even in the best case scenario, add-on creators are less than 1% of Minecraft players. This is why niche creator messaging doesn't get posted in broad channels.

But we're always looking at going broader with our existing creator comms channels.

[wheat wasp]

Put it in the Content log screen. Atleast they have a chance then.

[stoic orchid]

Respectfully, I don't think that would improve the issue you're highlighting. The "Content Log" screen isn't where we post changes. The changelog is .:)

[wheat wasp]

So include the change logs in the client in a gui screen so anyone on xbox, console, mobile, not on discord or in a non-firewalled counties could access it.

With a nice Warning/Notice, Alert message box at the top, with big letters saying HCF is going away.

[rough path]

Well, anytime you load a world in a ne wversion a popup syates its experimental

[wheat wasp]

Relying on 3rd party communications areas is odd to me.

[wheat wasp]

Maybe this needs more information added what that means.

[stoic orchid]

Relying? That's a strange way to describe how we engage here.

my goal here has been to give an early heads up.

The official announcement will be via the official changelog on the official website in the preview build when HCF is removed.

[wheat wasp]

Which is great. But if this isnt' your hub for communicating to the community what is? MSDocs?

[stoic orchid]

You're literally complaining that I've been giving early heads up to the community directy.

[wheat wasp]

Directly would be in the Bedrock Client IMO not on discord a 3rd party. Once more if you are under 13 and can't use discord how are you getting this information?

[prisma niche]

Who under 13 makes Add-Ons?

[wheat wasp]

They can't say because they will get kicked. But blockbench is full of them.

Are we saying addons are only supported for 13+?

[prisma niche]

I don't know what this is about, but you're upset about Kayla telling us, who make addons, about HCF removal? I don't see how that would impact someone who's not making an Add-On..?

[wheat wasp]

Read my post #1019692489596215388 message

I'm not at all upset with any of that.

I'm simply saying the current system is not enough and I suggested a more direct in client hub for creators.

I think this shows even after months of telling people here and twitter, it's NOT enough and a better official communication system/hub needs created. The main Minecraft channel needs to be used to announce the new addon/dev hub with maybe even a popup in Minecraft.

[obsidian lark]

TBH, the devs have been pretty vocal about their intentions.

[wheat wasp]

Here

My point is This is not reaching the creators enough. It's great to have. But many are being missed.

So we can blame them

or we can try and meet them where they are at too.

[obsidian lark]

Don't expect game-wide announcements. We don't even get special treatment on Java.

[wheat wasp]

Sure maybe thats not the best method. But it doesn't remove the FACTS we are missing people and we need to do better!

[prisma niche]

... or we as the community can spread the word?

[ivory rain]

while thats true, and i believe thats the case. i think what CyberAxe is trying to say is that when devs do mention some news about it, it usually just gets burried, and so it doesnt necessarily make everyone aware of it -- thereby resulting questions that still linger "what is HCF?" "why is it being removed?"

[wheat wasp]

Everyone has only said, main channel NOOO...

No one has denied we are missing creators and need to do better.

I love the efforts and I think it's amazing. But reality doesnt' care about any of that. That facts are people are still coming in confused.

So whose responiblity is that to fix?

The creators job to be smarter and know better?

Or ours as a dev community to reach them better and community on their levels?

[prisma niche]

To be honest, even if it's in the changelog or anywhere else officialy, there will be a selection of people that will be unaware .

[wheat wasp]

These are not bad students in a class room. These are great students that are being missed by the system and teachers..us

I think its wrong to blame the students who are trying. They working hard to create their dreams.

[obsidian lark]

Technically the changelogs are being posted in-game now.

[lapis sierra]

Okay getting #off-topic

[ivory rain]

That facts are people are still coming in confused.
yep. i get why youre sympathizing, but then again you could say its their own mistake (that is, by being uninformed to say the least). and that the developers aren't meant to cover for those.

[lapis sierra]

it's EXPERIMENTAL

Yes it's been a couple years and it's become the norm..

[wheat wasp]

Where at? In the gui or just barried in a file

[obsidian lark]

As a mod for Minecraft Commands, I don't envy your job in the next few days.

[stoic orchid]

directly in the docs.

[ionic ocean]

Nah, we have fun.

[tropic chasm]

We sure do

[obsidian lark]

Basically you access that screen from the main menu.

[wheat wasp]

Is this in the launcher?

[quasi wedge]

in game

[lapis sierra]

Doesn't change the fact that things change, or can be removed at any time.

[quasi wedge]

excuse the long arrow

[prisma niche]

Nice arrow you have there

[rough path]

We have until 1.21.10 ....cant say the same about me in mc discord though

[wheat wasp]

Huh? this is what you expect to information creators?

I used bedrock daily, hourly. This is how mine looks

1 inbox, with an ad

[lapis sierra]

I've never clicked that button before tbh lol

[quasi wedge]

no one does, but at least it's there

[obsidian lark]

Check preview. Most of us probably use it.

[quasi wedge]

As Kayla said, it's less than 1% of the people playing Minecraft who do add-on creation

They will not just blast giant add-on development updates infront of everyone

[ionic ocean]

Don't think their team is in charge of that communication channel…

[rough path]

In an ideal world every creator would join this discord and opt into the platform news

[lapis sierra]

It's unfortunate many things will break but that's the nature of "mods".

[tropic chasm]

Too bad this is not the ideal world

[stoic orchid]

And the number of people using HCF is probably more like 0.0001%

[ivory rain]

i guess if youre a creator you ought to learn to read the documentation online lol. that news page wasnt even intended solely for creators, but for players in general. and i dont think there's any better information dissemination than being knowledgeable yourself as well.

[tropic chasm]

less* 🤓

[prisma niche]

HCF was great, and we were warned to not rely on it.

No one listened

[stoic junco]

1 million players making addons for bedrock damn lol

[prisma niche]

Here we are. The apocalyptic times

[ivory rain]

btw im not implying you're naive but im just saying if youre a developer, you should expect such things.

[lapis sierra]

Even before Kayla said anything I was a bit weary. It was in experimental for more than 2 years at that point..

[stoic junco]

feels like scripting breaking changes again but happens in different area

[wheat wasp]

It's 1% of 1billion customers is millions creators.
0.001, 1000 people use HCF?

[rough path]

2.0

[lapis sierra]

please don't break stable stuff

[wheat wasp]

Regardless people are being under served, we have a choice. Help them or blame them

[lapis sierra]

You can't help everyone

[ivory rain]

well, to be fair, while custom components are more robust and in the long term more great, HCF did not require as much learning curve compared to learning Scripts as well while still being able to do great stuff you can also do with scripts already just with... JSON.

[quasi wedge]

Tbh I feel like blaming them at this point

[stoic orchid]

Then please, spread the word. I'm not doing anything else in official channels other than what I've already said.

[lapis sierra]

Looking "back" HCF is kind of a mess

[rough path]

I await for all the removed hcf components to return immovable and unwalkable my beloved

[stoic orchid]

BTW - HCF will probably be around for 1 more release. So folks will have another month to move off.

[lapis sierra]

Love how the immovable component was removed, then the scripting equivalent was removed in favor of using a component instead lol

[rough path]

[prisma niche]

I understand people are mad about this change, but it's for the better. Using scripting in your item or block is the best thing ever imo

[tropic chasm]

Can't yall just straight kill it

[rough path]

Seems like we hosted this event too early then

[prisma niche]

I don't think they can.

[stoic orchid]

yeah, that's probably my bad. But, at least block and item events should be stable in 1.21.10. So a full release of the replacement stable before the experiment is gone.

[rough path]

Thats honestly very generous

[stoic junco]

is the api part related to custom component fixed btw (placing block thing)

[rough path]

In the topic....how hard is parameter support

[stoic orchid]

likely not possible until API 2.0.0

[lapis sierra]

Time to kill my last HCF Add-On 😭

[prisma niche]

API 2.0 sounds very huge

[rough path]

[ivory rain]

API 2.0.0 👀

[stoic orchid]

more that it should allow us to clean up things enough so we can add more things later

[prisma niche]

:o interesting

[stoic orchid]

I'm not saying you get params in 2.0.0. Just that the clean-up work there should make that possible.

[rough path]

🙏 Darknavi please make things consistent in 2.0

[quasi wedge]

Me praying to my wall that has "Before Damage Event" written on it

[chrome plover]

All I hear is "add more things"

[quasi wedge]

more is better

[tropic chasm]

Put everything in stable

[prisma niche]

I'd be willing to wait as long as it takes for things to be clean and stable

[ivory rain]

idea: everything in player.json should be made dynamic and accessible via scripts

[tropic chasm]

all at once too

[wet shell]

Addons maker people

💀

[prisma niche]

I started when I was 16 or 15 (can't remember)

[tropic chasm]

I started at 6

[ivory rain]

my age is -1

[prisma niche]

Bro's a general

[wet shell]

I haven’t actually made a full addon

[lapis sierra]

I started at 4,294,967,296

[wet shell]

Only small resource packs and some behavior packs made with mc addons maker

[stoic orchid]

I started at NaN

[wet shell]

[lapis sierra]

Kayla should put Add-Ons on MCPEDL

[quasi wedge]

I started a few months before this 😔

[half depot]

ive wanted to experiment with addons but very little time and lack of knowledge have stopped me

[stoic orchid]

lol - my work would pale in comparison to all of ya'lls

[half depot]

ill stick to making textures

i like to think im good at that

[ivory rain]

my response to that question is to set minecraft:hand_equipped to false

[prisma niche]

"minecraft:hand_equipped": false

[ivory rain]

sorry for late reply

[quasi wedge]

thanks! fixed

[prisma niche]

Yay!

[lapis sierra]

If you did you would be more inclined to add stuff we want hehe

[quasi wedge]

I honestly would have given up on add-on stuff back in 2021 if I hadn't been introduced to this server

[prisma niche]

Same if I'm honest.

[stoic junco]

i dont know how i got into this server

[heady sable]

Kayla should be paid to spread the word, that way everyone knows! 😇 (/s)

[ivory rain]

i remember pinging the old admin of this server just so he can answer my question and then got scolded for it. best moment

[half depot]

i found this server off the deferred QnA a few months back

theres so much interesting stuff here though

i wanna explore things

[obsidian lark]

We had this server in our invites on Minecraft Commands for a long time. Just didn't join it immediately.

I don't even know who added it to our command.

[stoic orchid]

I'm a pretty big advocate for you all already 🙂 And, as I've said before, dev here do "add-on jams" where they make things like you all do so we all better understand the pain.

[rough path]

"Who the hell made this API!!! It is unusa-oh it was me"

[obsidian lark]

Eating your own dog food is a great way to develop things.

[stoic orchid]

this LITERALLY happens

[lapis sierra]

I was mostly joking. I know you do a lot 😆

[half depot]

thats amazing lmao

[dreamy bison]

i am going to become mojang employee when i'm older, increase load time by 2% and then put in my two weeks

appropriate goal or nah?

[lapis sierra]

Yes

[tropic chasm]

Why wait?

[wheat wasp]

https://tenor.com/view/hold-holdmybeer-gif-27239469

https://youtu.be/rY6mQFXdGP0

[obsidian lark]

I wonder if it ever segfaults during play tests. 😅

[lapis sierra]

I got an idea. Have a content log error that annoys every Add-On Creator

[ivory rain]

insane thumbnail

[lapis sierra]

[Structure][error]-[[Jigsaw Structure]] couldn't be constructed, no pool named minecraft:trial_chambers/chamber/end

[wheat wasp]

lol, well since I don't even use HCF seems like the amount of effort that should be applied.

[lapis sierra]

: (

[ivory rain]

honestly, if i was in the QA team, i would consider this content log error blocking and i will postpone the entire major update

afaik this content log was already fixed in latest preview

[prisma niche]

for some reason I hate to see myself in videos

[wheat wasp]

me too.

lol

It's ok, only 40 people will see it.

But I tried, and did my part.

[prisma niche]

please use windows 11

[wheat wasp]

I'd rather have a tooth pulled

[ivory rain]

aight im gonna put it on a billboard in NYC so everyone can see

[wheat wasp]

Do it, I dare you

I'll get 50 then

youtube hates me

[ivory rain]

/remind put this vid on billboard https://youtu.be/rY6mQFXdGP0 once you get sufficient amount of money for an ad space

[obsidian lark]

Put it on a billboard in times square.

[lapis sierra]

Just saw this

Thanks mojang

[ivory rain]

[wheat wasp]

lol

[stoic junco]

I blame the developers making changes!!!!!

[plush wedge]

If your pack uses HCF stuff after it's removed, it will show up in the content log screen 🙂

[wheat wasp]

oh no. So we're going to get flooded with people? Can you tell me what the log errors will be, maybe I could pre empt it and have a video ready for when they google it

How can an Ai get all that right but not understand IN vs ON
Render a billboard in time square that says "HCF WILL BE REMOVED in (1) Month" Make the background minecraft

[plush wedge]

Yeah it'll say something like "unknown key"

[wheat wasp]

oh no. Thats not helpful

Any way to get a screen shot of the error before it breaks I could use?

Solved. This will reach 25 more people. Only 910 to go.

[obsidian lark]

Make something with HCF and then turn off the experiment.

Could probably do it with an NBT editor.

[wheat wasp]

Good idea. Will the world launch still?

[obsidian lark]

No idea. Never tried it before.

[wheat wasp]

I think it says this world requires HCF toggled on. Where as RTX can be toggled at will. Not that it works with out being bugged most the time..

[wet shell]

Minecraft news 2.0 😔

[wheat wasp]

Only Minecraft news I see for bedrock is from Ibxtoycat.

We have 1 source

[wet shell]

Twitter:

And there’s also ecko soldier

Who is better at keeping up with bedrock news imo

[wheat wasp]

Do you have a link

[wet shell]

https://youtube.com/@ecko?si=2ChyFaRgvjINPafp

I’ve been watching him since I was 7

[wheat wasp]

thanks, I'll sub. Never heard of them

I wish Dakon would come back. He's working on addons but hasn't done any videos in ages

I've learned so much from them. https://www.youtube.com/@dakonblackrose
In the early days this was one of the few bedrock creators doing crazy stuff.

They were doing custom menus 3 years ago. Its crazy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QnsGKNv8Ek&t=165s

[lapis sierra]

Ah yah dakon

His videos taught me a lot with commands

[wheat wasp]

Even now scrolling his videos they blow my mind.

I think they started a team? I was hoping he'd come dev with us but I think he's too GOAT for my small brains. There are many things he did 3-4 years ago I don't think I could replicate today easily.

[languid tinsel]

What a long arrow you have there

[lapis sierra]

It's actually longer

[wheat wasp]

Wait does this mean when the toggle is removed their ENTIRE worlds break and can't be loaded.

Not just those EXP HCF items and blocks break. But the entire world wont load anymore?

[languid tinsel]

No, you just get a lot of unknown blocks iirc

[wheat wasp]

Doesn't the world require the toggle on to load?

If there is no toggle? Then what happens

[lapis sierra]

Update blocks

Items gone

I guess..

[wheat wasp]

So I can load a HCF world with the toggle off now? and get those errors?

[lapis sierra]

Right now it would just tell you to turn on the toggle

[wheat wasp]

So why wouldn't it do that when the toggle is gone?

Sounds like a map breaking change.

[languid tinsel]

Sorry when is HCF being removed

[heady sable]

Not enough arrows in the thumbnail

[wheat wasp]

I dare you to scan my thumbnails and guess which I made and which I paid a creator to make. lol, I hate making them. Worst part of creating.

[celest sluice]

I wonder how soon we'll start to see more custom block components after HCF is yeeted

There are two components I look forward to. an inventory component, and a climbable component.

[rough path]

🙏 Bring back removed ones first

[celest sluice]

Something related to redstone would be neat, but I doubt that will happen anytime soon

[obsidian lark]

Make climbing be a block tag for Java parity.

Although, Java does tags better. You can even make air climbable.

[languid tinsel]

I don't understand how a video on the main channel would help to be honest. This discord is waaaay more targetted to creators. The main channel gets like 300k -600k views on non announcement videos. But that is also spread with Java players.

[tropic chasm]

cough cough https://discord.com/channels/1138536747932864532/1192588611095384115

[rough path]

prove it

[celest sluice]

What are the removed ones again? I forgor

[rough path]

Immovable, unwalkable, breakn on piston push, break on water flow

[celest sluice]

unwalkable?

[rough path]

Mobs wont path find over them

[celest sluice]

Is there any vanilla block with this sort of behaviour?

[rough path]

Damage blocks?

[celest sluice]

Like, the avoiding behaviour on the block instead of the mob

[rough path]

Mobs wont path find over them

[wheat wasp]

It was just one idea. Everyone seem to be stuck on to distract from the main point, we're not reaching everyone and need a better hub and communication point so we do IMO was my feedback. I was simply suggesting some ideas to help solve that. Those would help solve it but as everyone say then 99'er would see a message about addons.. oh no.. .

Good thing the 1% don't see message about stuff we dont' care about non stop.

But that was just one idea. No one else has provided any ideas other than BLAME THEM.

[heady sable]

Afaik the most reach you can get is with the Microsoft docs as those are available to most publlic and used as an official source