irl-gear

[ashen edge]

Almost done

[snow scarab]

don’t fold your chest seal

put it in the giant middle one

[ashen edge]

i tried not to fold it its more rolled but thanks fro the tip ill do that

ive put it in the same loop as the bandage

[zinc jay]

Any american carriers similar to this?

Before I go paying the premium to get it from russia.

[coarse laurel]

@snow scarab maybe I should do a write up on what to have and what not to have for IFAKs

I feel like people have too much bullshit on it and usually it’s stuff they don’t know how the fuck to use

[snow scarab]

yeah fr

[snow scarab]

lbt 6094

that’s what it’s based off of

much better made

[coarse laurel]

Normally this is all you want and need

[snow scarab]

yeah. i have chest seal, gauze, and quikclot gauze in my BFG micro and then full size chest seal, israeli, full size quikclot, gauze, NPA all that jazz

[coarse laurel]

You do not need an NCD

Especially if you aren’t fucking trained to use it

I carried an extra tactical burn dressing

[snow scarab]

oh also, my engine broke omw to the movies today

[coarse laurel]

It’s good for white phosphorus

And I got a fuckton of it

[snow scarab]

should be under warranty and completely free. only problem is lack of a vehicle for a few days until it’s approved by hyundai

full size quikclot is otw from spiritus. should be here next week

[coarse laurel]

Lol legit actually had someone try to argue with me about tactical medicine

Awhile back

[snow scarab]

lmfao

[coarse laurel]

Bro I teach TC3 to rangers

You kidding me

[snow scarab]

anyways @ashen edge carry the basics and don’t over do it

[coarse laurel]

Forgot I had several bags in my car

Resupply pocket with a spare goretex jacket and my ranger medic book

[ashen edge]

All I’m waiting on now is my tourniquet

[snow scarab]

buy 3 more

[coarse laurel]

I had to use one of my IV bags

Had to administer ketamine earlier lol

[snow scarab]

you can never carry too many TQs

[coarse laurel]

These gauzes are also money

[snow scarab]

i carry 3 on my kit with more on me

[snow scarab]

dude fr. have 2 of them on me

[ashen edge]

I plan on having 2 in this IFAK

[snow scarab]

no

[coarse laurel]

This one is an abdominal ETD

[snow scarab]

outside of the ifak

[coarse laurel]

It’s way larger

[snow scarab]

pouches or rubber bands

[snow scarab]

israeli bandage right?

you giving a whole class rn? lmfao

[coarse laurel]

IV star kit

[snow scarab]

what kinda bandage is this?

was inside my cheap ass RTS ifak lol

[coarse laurel]

That’s basically an ETD even though it’s all worn out lol

Roll it up nicely

[snow scarab]

that was brand new

and it was labeled as an israeli. never seen one with gauze inside of it

[snow scarab]

and it wasn’t good gauze either. it activated as soon as it hit air

[coarse laurel]

I stopped carrying my chest tube set because I ain’t doing that on the X

Different chest seal brands

[snow scarab]

personally i’m a hyfin fan boy

love the compacts and full size

[coarse laurel]

For the other bags I just carry random medications and drugs sometimes narcotics

[coarse laurel]

I would charge for that

Lmao

[snow scarab]

lol

i’m getting a ferro roll 1 for my plate carrier medical

[coarse laurel]

Schooling people on tailgate medicine

Fun fact, a trash bag is a good alternative to cover up eviscerations

Just tape it and seal it

You ain’t doing anything to it until you get to a surgeon haha

[snow scarab]

fr

[coarse laurel]

Burns are one of those injuries people always forget

In a SHTF scenario it could be from a Molotov cocktail or fireworks

Or a home made bomb

[plush topaz]

Like, someone's poo chute hanging out?

[snow scarab]

stomach ripped open

organs hanging out

[plush topaz]

Whoosh

[snow scarab]

shut

[coarse laurel]

https://youtube.com/shorts/P7iW5AgrDzU?feature=share

@snow scarab lmfao

[snow scarab]

honestly? i wish we just got an OCP gen iii

this is the same company i think, just FUCK THE BUCKLES DIDE

otherwise i really like the idea and direction it’s going

[harsh crown]

Can anyone recommend a good MOLLE pouch that can hold a good few of these paper bricks? Need 3 good for 223/308

[snow scarab]

also yeah, the captain at the end 😂

[coarse laurel]

At this point I’ll take it

If we were forced to use issued shit

[snow scarab]

literally, get rid of buckles, use tubes, shit would be the dopest fucking issue kit ever

gen iii in ocp

all i want

best way to equip us

ability to use placards, quick don and doff, decent sizing

the carrier inside carrier shit is stupid but you can just take the smaller one out

[keen wigeon]

gay laser cut pals

i dont understand the need#

its just harder to loop and easier to rip

[snow scarab]

not true. while it’s a tiny bit harder to loop, most of the time it’s stronger

and it’s wayyy cheaper

[low fox]

Whats are some cut-proof wraps or arms guards i can get

[snow scarab]

like i said. if they had simply made the gen iii usmc carrier in OCP, everyone would be happy

like, i’m pretty sure they are made by the same company.

the only thing honestly that has little use is the buckles and the internal carrier system. otherwise both systems are pretty damn nice

they supplied the tubes

lots of companies sell carriers using tubes

ah nevermind. the gen iii is from FS

but they are very similar

the MSV is just way more wide in the lower half. no clue why.

how?

they are pretty much just normal plate carriers

size wise they simply allow for an inch around the plate for the soft armor

i think the MSV has a little more stomach coverage

plus neither have soft armor cummerbunds thank fuck

the buckles are shit yes. but if they got rid of them, it would be much better. once again, the gen iii is an amazing mass issue carrier. allows for placards, is only slightly bigger than the plate, and allows for amazing modularity. the soft armor carrier kinda makes sense for tank crews and all that

you’ve gotta remember it’s mass issue. needs to meet requirements and be cheap

[karmic pelican]

how do molle system work?

[snow scarab]

gotta loop it through like a shoe lace. in the molle loop, into the pouch, in the loop, into the pouch, etc etc

[karmic pelican]

uh, interesting, must take abit to surely attach something onto the loops

[plush topaz]

Yeah. But it's secure

[karmic pelican]

Hopes it works out perfectly for you :)

[harsh crown]

im lazy, i just get the button clip pouches

[snow scarab]

still need to loop it lol

[muted gate]

Having it like this allows it to move from the carrier

[misty mango]

saggy pouches always make me die inside

[unborn bramble]

#irl_heinous

[ancient sandal]

genuine question
does anybody have good earpro recommendations

[unborn bramble]

cigarette filters work in a pinch

[ancient sandal]

fair point

I've just been looking into buying better earpro then my offbrand peltors I don't use

[unborn bramble]

unless youre larping, or just wanna ball outa control, there's not really a need for active hearing hearpro.
i bought a pair of Sordins a while back that are pretty slick but after they broke a year later and i found out there's literally nothing you can do about it I've just stuck with foam. fuck spending money when you dont have to. fight me, capitalism.

[ancient sandal]

I'm gonna be completely honest that's genuinely a good point

[unborn bramble]

if you really want active earpro enough to spend the dosh, do it. the sordins i had were the first set id ever used and they were fucking magical and i have a set of Peltor ComTac V on order from that 95% off discontinuation sale.
but if i didn't make the cut I probably would just keep the foamies because im a recreational shootist, not an elite level larperator.

[timber fog]

Walker and Howard Leight exist too

If you want active on a budget

And aren’t expecting hard use/combat

[misty mango]

even then
they hold up well

[plush topaz]

Howard leights

I hate how deaf I get with plugs.

They've also surprisingly held up very well in the sweat and the wet.

[ancient grail]

My comtac 5s

[unborn bramble]

Suck it up. Deafness is hearing leaving the body.

[plush topaz]

Electronic ear pro is just great for having normal conversation. And you don't accidentally yell at people looking like an idiot

[unborn bramble]

Oh, I was still speaking loudly my first time. My idiocy knows no bounds.

I'm interested in the Howard leights tho. Will YouTube them later

[plush topaz]

Very affordable. I upgraded to gel cups on mine

[ashen edge]

Finally finished my IFAK

Sadly I forgot how big a TQ is so I can’t put the second on in the top

Just need a sharpie but I’ve lost the one I had

[unborn bramble]

would recommend including medical tape and surgical scissors.
but it looks pretty decent for immediate care, though im not sure on the need to intubate someone.

[misty mango]

leatherman raptors my beloved

[ashen edge]

lil tight for cash rn but I’ll def get thoes

[ashen edge]

The NPA is just what Is standard for the kit and I was told to just try and guarantee an airway on any major injury

[snow scarab]

TQs should be carried in the open that way they are easily seen

and that way you don’t need to fight a buckle or velcro if you are loosing blood

[ashen edge]

Nope I’m not apart of any org or group so this is mainly so I can have at least some chance to do self aid

[ashen edge]

if I where trying to make a fighting set up I would but I don’t have any carrier or vest for now this is a shitty EDC

[coarse laurel]

as much as i love raptors i started carrying disposable NAR shears

its easy to lose it in the heat of a moment, i had mine on a lanyard for awhile but its a snag hazard

not to mention the way its holstered or carried exposes it to the elements which means rust, i legit had to use my warranty twice because of rust on my raptors

[coarse laurel]

i carry 1-2 out in the open space permitting and if i got space in the ifak another TQ

[unborn bramble]

i guess it does depend on the necessity behind the it, just seems like an odd thing to have in a personal kit. those kinds of things are generally in bigger kits your medic would have since applying it properly is a more specialized skill, it could accidentally be fed it into the stomach of a casualty and cause all kinds of additional problems.
/armchair field medic

[snow scarab]

i have one in a USGI pouch, one on my belt, and one internal although i’m tryna find a different spot

[snow scarab]

not specialized at all

and it’s just an NPA

[coarse laurel]

if you are in the army especially CLS is a lvl 10 skill, legit you have to learn how to apply an NPA to pass that class.

[snow scarab]

and then i also carry more TQs in pockets

[coarse laurel]

if you are a civvy dont bother with the NPA

i hate it when people carry shit they have 0 knowledge of using

even people get TQ's wrong

[snow scarab]

which i can’t even see how honestly

like, loop, pull, twist

[coarse laurel]

if its not the most painful application you are doing it wrong, a TQ can still fail even when applied.

if its assisted, always switch to a deliberate with a second TQ

[unborn bramble]

that makes sense but it still seems like an odd thing to have, though i've never been trained in using them and I got out a while ago. then again we learned how to start IVs and I thought that was ridiculous.

[snow scarab]

and you should be able to apply a TQ onto your opposite arm with one hand

[coarse laurel]

we stopped teaching people how to do IV's

because for one

there's no point in non medics learning, they cant push medications anyways

and they usually cause more harm than good

when non medics do it

half the time people screw it up and they just denied me a vein to use

then id have to resort to weird shit like IO

or use alternate sites which is more time consuming

[unborn bramble]

i had to start one on a guy who was hungover and they gave me the biggest needle. because that's good training, or something. and of course, i fucked it up multiple times

[coarse laurel]

people also think pushing meds is simple. i legit have to have a cheat sheet to do quick calculations and still think about contraindications because giving certain narcs to people especially with respiratory distress can kill them

i do not fucking trust anyone with little to no medical training to do that for me

i legit punched an 11b in the face for trying to push meds

[unborn bramble]

it was incredibly dumb and im glad I was never expected to in a serious situation

[coarse laurel]

granted i shouldnt have but idiot shoulda known better

another sketchy thing too are NCD's, holy fuck everyone screws this up

[unborn bramble]

back on topic of NPAs, what's the most common situation youd expect to need them??

[coarse laurel]

non patent airway, if the patient is consciout i wouldnt use it

if he is talking to me that means he is good

[unborn bramble]

i cant think of the term for it but inhailing an allergen that causes the airway to close up. I would expect and epi-pen would just be easier to keep around and administer.

[coarse laurel]

for me i use it on any unconscious casualty

if he has cerebral spinal fluid leaking out of his ears and nose i wouldnt even use it

[plush topaz]

Anaphylaxis?

[unborn bramble]

ty

[plush topaz]

Esophageal constriction

[coarse laurel]

like head trauma and such

i have alternate ways of securing an airway like an I Gel

worse case if im not in the X is cricothyroidotomy which is literally me slicing the cricothyroid membrane and shoving a tube down there

but thats gonna suck because im gonna have to bag the person until i can get him on a vent

not recommended unless you really have to or if you are already in a trauma bay.

[unborn bramble]

it worked in 3 Kings, and they weren't even with a propper unit.

[coarse laurel]

lol thats standard for anyone with a food allergy

[unborn bramble]

yeah, i suppose unconscious and not breathing is fine. but im still hanging up on why a standard kit would need one when it requires even a little training. and i know some people can fuckup tourniquets but lubing and inserting a tube down the nose into the throat is a little more nuanced than applying the forbidden bandaid.

[coarse laurel]

Hence why I said earlier if you aren’t trained or competent enough to use something don’t carry it, exceptions is if IFAK isnt for self aid

Conventionally if you are part of a unit the ifak is for the medic not for self aid. If you are operating alone then it’s different, people also mistake their boo-boo pouch for an IFAK lol

It gives me conniptions when I see fucking bandaids and ibuprofen and Tylenol

On an ifak

Also fucking tampons

Bruh

[unborn bramble]

unless things have changed people have used those for gunshot wounds since the early oughts, as they can be stuffed into holes and are good at absorbing blood. but i get what you mean. also lol
as far as what i was saying, it sounds like dude is being told to put it in his kit as a standard item and buying things out of pocket which i inferred from their not having scissors due to personal funds. but it's their kit and their packing list so 🤷‍♂️

[coarse laurel]

Tampons do not stop bleeding period

[unborn bramble]

neither do bandages?

[coarse laurel]

You stop bleeding by applying pressure. Tampons do not have the surface pressure to control bleeding

[unborn bramble]

yeah, you stuff them in the hole then apply a pressure dressing.

as opposed to gauze and a pressure dressing. iirc theyre cheaper than sterilized bandages as well.

[coarse laurel]

Lol No. they aren’t fuckin good for controlling bleeding, the opposite actually.

[unborn bramble]

okay.

[coarse laurel]

Wtf gauze is super cheap. You shouldn’t be cheaping out on medical supplies either.

[ashen edge]

They have like no gauze or soaking material

Tampons I mean

[coarse laurel]

They also don’t have hemostatics

They are designed to absorb period blood not stop it

All you are doing is absorbing blood but not actually sealing wounds lol

Which is why it makes me angry when people try to justify it.

I carry tampons for my female soldiers just in case. Never for wounds

[ashen edge]

That’s the use case I was taught

[coarse laurel]

Somewhat related I used to be part of a community where we would discuss stuff like this and holy shit I had wanna be medics try to fight me on this

Their only relevant experience is from YouTube videos and junk medicine they read from some outdated source

I also find civilian basic EMT’s the worst when it comes to this too.

[ashen edge]

My only experience is a TCCC course from basic and half a EMT-O course

[ashen edge]

They are very opinionated

[coarse laurel]

My experience with that is half the time people are too sleepy to pay attention

[ashen edge]

True

I plan on taking an hour or two to brush up on NPA and wound packing

don’t have any training aid but I still have my 2022 EMT textbook

[coarse laurel]

Ranger medic handbook is my bible

[snow scarab]

you can get 5 yards of compressed gauze for like 5 bucks. and it’s not bleeding through for a good while

[ashen edge]

Any rite-aid or Walgreens has it on shelves too

I got some 4 and 6 inch rolls for the 4th

[coarse laurel]

Lol they sell these in the PX

[ashen edge]

Lol

[coarse laurel]

They actually have something similar to a combat gauze

Just some offshoot of a Quik lot

[ashen edge]

Brand name quick clot is so fucking expensive

I get that it’s medical equipment so that’s just how it goes but still

Thoes little combat gauze pouches are like 40 bucks

[coarse laurel]

Lol I got a lot of em

[ashen edge]

I saw 🥲

Not super huge on quick clot simply because I’ve heard it might cause some problem if used in super deep or arterial wounds I could be wrong tho I haven’t looked at it recently

Also using unqualified drunk logic putting clotting agents into a circulatory system can cause issues I’m sure tho that someone smarter than me figured out a solution tho

[snow scarab]

i mean, it’s worth it

[snow scarab]

gimme some

[ancient grail]

@coarse laurel

[ashen edge]

I don’t doubt it

[plush topaz]

What did the sky do to you

Rude

[karmic pelican]

i can't belive they have copied the mighty grizzli from the escape from tarkov game

[unborn bramble]

bitch ass ozone is letting cosmic rays through, it's totally deserved.

[unborn bramble]

it's not even the most comprehensive kit that brand has. my guess is it's AAFES trying to capitalize on people in the military/their brats who've played tarkov.

[karmic pelican]

AAFES?

but is it a decent/good kit?

[brittle raft]

??delay

[real nebula]

Your petition to delay the wipe has been recieved. You have delayed the wipe an additional day.

[unborn bramble]

it's got a lot. it works as a good first aid kit for camping or something. has a lot of random shit in it.
the price is good, i think I saw that online a few years back for around $100? i was trying to burn through my HSA at the end of the year so I spent the extra bucks on their blue kit, which just has more diverse crap i'll probably never use.

AAFES is the army air force exchange service, the company(?) that runs all the US base exchanges (PX/BX) around the world. idk if theyre a private company but it wouldn't surprise me given that they also hire car salesmen to go to war zones and try to sling muscle cars to poor idiots at the >24% interest rate.

[karmic pelican]

what

[unborn bramble]

which part, the car sales or the uncertainty of them being a privately owned business? looking it up they're a " joint non-appropriated fund instrumentality of the DoD" if that helps at all.

[karmic pelican]

the car sales

army air force exchange service? PX/BX?

dunno why but i got image of those overprice chocolate bar they make you sell for a charity but it's like 3 cent per dollar that actually goes to the charity

[muted gate]

The PX is the non foodgoods counterpart to the Commisary

they usually also run the gas stations/class 6

[karmic pelican]

k, soo they are the peeps that sell stuff to the soldiers?

[muted gate]

yeah

[karmic pelican]

but the non-food kind

and then they sent guys to try to sell overpriced muscle cars

[muted gate]

commisary is foodstuffs, PX is shit like blenders, microwaves, washser dryers, garden shit, etc

then clothing sales is also a thing either inside the PX or another building

[snow scarab]

yes and no

[muted gate]

PX is run by AAFES while Commisary is run by Defense Commissary Agency

[muted gate]

i know they sell food, but its a different entity and usually its shitty "i need food for liquior or candy"

[snow scarab]

PX is specifically army (just the name changes) it’s more of a walmart. has a food court, all the shit you need to maintain military bearing (uniforms, gear, haircuts, sometimes travel stuff), has a large store in it with everything from clothes to a firearms counter

[muted gate]

yes, because the chairboys use the BX and the navy/marines use the NX
And again, WHAT I FUCKING WROTE

[karmic pelican]

mfw when the US army not only install a base but a walmart in ur country

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army_%26_Air_Force_Exchange_Service

https://www.shopmyexchange.com/

[muted gate]

When you are vrsing a country whose biggest logisticall concern is figuring out if it gets a BK or MCDS, youve lost

McDonalds on Navy and BK on Army/AF

[karmic pelican]

coast-guard? open the "confisquated drugs" cage

[muted gate]

i think CG bases are technically under the navy umbrella, no fuckin clue

[karmic pelican]

CIA? : as above, but include spoils spoiled donated by the "deposed" "commie" from the lastest SA coup. the country will take many decades to even provide a decent living condition again

[muted gate]

lol

[karmic pelican]

what, placing a mabye pro-american facist dictator when the commie/democratic leader decide to go agains't american desires takes alot of energy

scoff

or the banana republics

ATF? The dogs

[stuck hazel]

those patches are not a good look buddy

[plush topaz]

Cring

[muted gate]

I call this artpiece, DA's wet dream of evidence

[misty mango]

love the off brand MOE stock

and a delta ring?
in 2023???

[stuck hazel]

dont forget the comms set up hes definetly got enough friends to take advantage of

[misty mango]

dont be calling me out like that

[muted gate]

who uses a dongle mic for comms tho

[misty mango]

shoulder mics are only valid when hooked up to sordins lmao

[muted gate]

nah nah nah

@misty mango

[misty mango]

[muted gate]

didnt wanna find a condom to cover it for the photoshoot

[misty mango]

lmao

[muted gate]

legit was what you did for the handsets

[misty mango]

the phone is based

[muted gate]

It was a condom or the plastic bag/rubberband that came with the lipo battery

[misty mango]

im assuming its because they weren't exactly waterproof

[muted gate]

oh fuck no

https://cherrieswriter.files.wordpress.com/2020/02/officer_w_rto.jpg?w=640

@misty mango
https://www.prc68.com/I/Images/BA4386Opnb.jpg
https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/8QAAAOSwOg9kk314/s-l1600.jpg

batteries came in these plastic bags and had a rubber band to then tie it over the handset

[misty mango]

jesus

[muted gate]

they also liked exploding

so some dude would get shot in the Bat Pack, sending magnesium into the dude, id react with the water in a dude, yeah

[misty mango]

yeah magnesium and water isnt a fun time

[muted gate]

guess what the survival time of the RTO was in nam

[misty mango]

wasnt it like a few seconds

since they were targeted

[muted gate]

the common stat is 5 seconds

RTOs were the first to get shot at because early on it was easy as hell to ID them

[misty mango]

bigass antenna

[muted gate]

so youd see a guy with a different backpack, tag him, hes dead, tag any that go for the radio

[muted gate]

you could fold them on themselves

they are flexable

[misty mango]

ah i thought that was only the later war ones

[muted gate]

Nam we used PRC-25s and PRC-77s

both had 3 antenna, A flexi shorter range, a fixed and tall long range, and then a tree wire

the only major diff was that the 77s ditched vacuum tubes

[misty mango]

interesting

thanks for the info

(i will probably forget this)

[coarse laurel]

Mil radios are the bane of my existence

I still feel like the 148/152’s are too big

I run them internal of my cummerbund and it feels like I’m getting stabbed by the edge sometimes

[muted gate]

be like me and run a manpack

[ancient sandal]

Yea, I personally put my TQ up on my top right shoulder in a pouch that all I gotta do is tug gently and bam
TQ can slide out

[snow scarab]

looks decent, remove the RTS ifak or at least put your own contents in. some of them are fucked

[fallow iris]

I did

[snow scarab]

good

[fallow iris]

Is there to many mags or no I have 6 at the moment on the chest tho

[snow scarab]

it’s a decent IFAK, but the contents are terrible

[snow scarab]

it’s decent. personally i would move two to a double stack on the cummerbund and one on the belt and move your ifak to the back side

[fallow iris]

Wouldn’t it be easier access from my side

Because on my best I already have first aid on it

[snow scarab]

just make it a little bit more out of your way so it’s easier to go prone

[misty mango]

also pull the pistol kywi off the front

throw it on your belt or throw it away

[muted gate]

id say just use a single with 2 extra singles molled on

[snow scarab]

nah. double stack butted up against your mag pouches is better

[muted gate]

i like 5 on the pc

not 6

5 on pc, 1-2 on belt, 1 in gun, more in pack

gets me 7+1 with a spot that i can put something in, for me i put in the TE-33

https://www.keepshooting.com/media/catalog/product/cache/f7b906d53d787e3daacd095a2c7fcc0e/t/l/tl-13-pliers.jpg

god i love me some lineman pliers

TA-312 and TA-1 ftw

[snow scarab]

yes…

that’s what i just said

[muted gate]

i read that as two deep doublestack

[snow scarab]

no. just a single double stack

[muted gate]

okay, so a single placard, with 2 extra pouches in a second row

right

cause thats what im saying

[snow scarab]

you’re dumb

[snow scarab]

single placard, DOUBLE STACK POUCH

one of these

[ashen edge]

any thoughts? https://youtu.be/P7iW5AgrDzU

[snow scarab]

good design, but buckles are shit and the carrier inside carrier design is stupid as fuck

[ashen edge]

the kevlar inserts or is it another part of the carrier you dont like

[snow scarab]

it has a carrier inside the carrier

that’s what i don’t like

that and the buckles

[ashen edge]

ah

[runic meadow]

My most tactical helmet

[muted gate]

the cumberbund is a clip buckle

ew

[snow scarab]

has been since the gen 3 IOTV

wish they would go with tubes

but probably doesn’t wanna pay for it

fuck i would take those shitty buckles that look like tubes

[muted gate]

its still ew

[misty mango]

roc?

[snow scarab]

yeah

[unborn bramble]

apparently the FisherSci sale for ComTac5s was an accident, but not exactly. just got off the phone with a guy because my delivery date is tomorrow but there's no tracking info.
dude said they meant to have the sale for businesses/customers theyve worked with in the past but they goofed making it public.
sadness abounds.

[echo jay]

I've heard so many different things. Mine haven't been cancelled yet, I'll believe anything when they are either in my hands or the money goes back to my credit card

[unborn bramble]

Did you get charged tho? I didn't check until today but I never was.

[scenic lotus]

Got gifted a pair of comtac v's. Anyone have any reputable places to pick up spare parts?

[snow scarab]

can’t really just buy spare parts lol

[scenic lotus]

Bummer. The head band and ear pads are fried with mic socks missing. Probably going to cobble together fixes then.

[snow scarab]

head band and new ear cups can be bought. mic socks however not so much

[scenic lotus]

Dope. I can probably make due by cutting or repurposing foam then

[haughty bane]

https://www.amazon.com/YAKEDA-Tactical-Military-Laser-Cutting-Lightweight/dp/B09WHCHHR1/ref=mp_s_a_1_14_sspa?crid=1V9N5RHCJJIHU&keywords=plate%2Bcarrier&psr=PDAY&qid=1689077509&s=prime-day&sprefix=plate%2Bcarrier%2Caps%2C204&sr=1-14-spons&sp_csd=d2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9waG9uZV9zZWFyY2hfbXRm&psc=1&m=A3FNRYCGNJ9YDB&SPES=1&th=1

https://www.amazon.com/ZOHAN-Electronic-Professional-Amplification-Reduction/dp/B07KPG2544/ref=mp_s_a_1_1_sspa?content-id=amzn1.sym.26cbdd4c-ef48-4ae9-ab46-1e4914b41b11&keywords=peltor%2Bheadset%2Bwith%2Bmic&pd_rd_r=9c4fcf50-e531-4357-82db-038bcfa14c18&pd_rd_w=A7brL&pd_rd_wg=TDsMP&pf_rd_p=26cbdd4c-ef48-4ae9-ab46-1e4914b41b11&pf_rd_r=NSJC3AZSFGHKNAQGWGSH&qid=1689080300&refinements=p_n_deal_type%3A23566064011&rnid=23566063011&sr=8-1-spons&sp_csd=d2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9waG9uZV9zZWFyY2hfYXRm&psc=1&th=1

Thoughts on this stuff for the prime day deals? I’m looking to see what I can get. I don’t have anything yet so I’m not sure on specifics or anything

[wind cave]

thoughts are gonna be its airshit

just lyk what theyve told me

theyre gonna advise you just buy a crye jpc probably

[haughty bane]

I know its on the cheaper scale

but im not exactly looking to double/triple the price of them

im thinking 80-150 for the carrier
25-65 for the headset
also looking for a place to get decent pricing plates

[timber fog]

If you’re going to buy real plates, you should buy a real plate carrier

[misty mango]

try and get Howard lights or walker razors for headsets

cheap

and won't let your ears get blown out

[haughty bane]

do you have any good suggestions?

[haughty bane]

do you have links?

[timber fog]

Yeah, I wouldn’t mess with the Zohans

[misty mango]

no but you can literally search them

on amazon or whatever

[timber fog]

Like the other guy said, secondhand jpc 1.0 if you’re not willing to go over $200

[misty mango]

that

second hand JPC 1.0's are literally best bang for buck ever

[haughty bane]

yah. But my question is whats the diffeerences between like 100,150,200+ carriers. what is being done differently?

[misty mango]

quality

[timber fog]

Stitching, mainly

Comfortability

[misty mango]

stitching
IR treated
materials

the insides are typically more comfortable due to less coarse materials

[timber fog]

Plus a lot of cheap carriers are shitty when it comes to load bearing

[misty mango]

yeah

ive seen many fail at carrying plates even

the shitty velcro gave out

[haughty bane]

mmk

[haughty bane]

what specifically am i looking for and where?

[timber fog]

Well, that’s a good question you should probably ask yourself

What are you looking for?

[misty mango]

crye jpc 1.0 and facebook, ebay and forums typically have them

facebook marketplace so cracked fr

[timber fog]

Nah seriously

I almost wish I never deleted my fb acc

[haughty bane]

alright

[haughty bane]

so resellers/used then?

[haughty bane]

well, im realistically looking to assemble a full set, helmet, headset, plates, carrier. all that stuff. am i missing anything?

[timber fog]

I mean, what’s the purpose of this kit? Is it something you plan to train in? Is it for a cosplay? If it is, do you want something “just in case” or just something that’ll give you the aesthetic you want?

[haughty bane]

more of a just in case however i do want to train in it

[timber fog]

Then you have to get out of the amazon mindset and expect to do some real spending

[snow scarab]

buy walkers

[haughty bane]

i was looking at amazon because its prime day lol

[timber fog]

I get where you’re coming from but if this is something you actually plan to use/have just in case, you’ll want to avoid amazon for the most part

[haughty bane]

i get that

[timber fog]

That said

Jpc 1.0 is the cheapest you’ll get a “real” carrier for

If you could afford an extra $100 dollars, the LBT 6094 goes on sale for pretty cheap a lot too

Another tried and true carrier

Under $250 you don’t have many options

Earpro, howard leights or walker razors as mentioned

Helmet’s gonna be pricy

[haughty bane]

mmhm

[timber fog]

Do you know what plates you’re gonna get?

[haughty bane]

is there a reason to not go for the highest rated?

other than weight?

[timber fog]

Not really, the “everyone says lvl IV ceramics” joke exists for a reason

But not all armor is equal

I’m not too good on remembering my plates but there’s some guys in here that can tell you which ones to look at

[haughty bane]

wdym?

[timber fog]

Well, as a civilian who has to buy all their own gear, and the way plates are priced, the most practical options both financially and viably end up being lvl IV ceramics

[haughty bane]

ah

aren't they lighter too?

[timber fog]

Depends on the case

[haughty bane]

that things like 300-500

[haughty bane]

side plates? worth it?

[plush topaz]

These aren't realistic budgets. I'm sorry

[haughty bane]

ive realised that lol

[plush topaz]

Your armour alone will be more than your entire kit

[timber fog]

Off sale, yeah

[haughty bane]

makes sense

[timber fog]

Depends on user preference/mission

[plush topaz]

His mission is to just have something

[haughty bane]

currently, yes

[timber fog]

Yeah, so much like everyone else, I’d say you don’t need it

But if you do I didn’t tell you you don’t

[plush topaz]

@haughty bane my g. You can get cheap shit. Just please don't cheap out on the armour

[haughty bane]

mmk

[wind cave]

https://rmadefense.com/store/body-armor/level-iv-body-armor/level-iv-body-armor-plate-model-1155/

[timber fog]

Cannoli boutta have this dude pulling up to the range in Condor lol

[haughty bane]

lol

[wind cave]

i was in the same spot as you thinking i could go cheap on this lol but you cant

once you even wanna put anything on the molle of the pc youll be spending more than that entire budget😂

[haughty bane]

mmhm

[haughty bane]

you recommend those?

[wind cave]

that's the recommendation basically everyone is going to give you, yeah

and for stuff like this, dont cheap out though really like never get an amazon brand when you can get a reputable brand for cheap

get walker headphones

[haughty bane]

yah

link?

because i keep finding lots of options

[wind cave]

its like buying a chinese red dot when you could just get the romeo for 100

[plush topaz]

Honestly. I'm ok with that. My buddy's first vest was a condor. Just to learn a bit. Moved up to a Ferro Slickster. Unfortunately he didn't listen to me on the armour front and uses steel.

[wind cave]

i mean, if you wanna use amazon just search walker razor on amazon

[timber fog]

Just jokes, I personally don’t have anything wrong with Condor if it’s all anyone can afford

Sorry to hear your buddy’s a steel user though

That’s a bummer

[plush topaz]

He doesn't even use his kit anymore because it's so unpleasant to wear lol

But.... It's kit at least I guess

[haughty bane]

Is noise amplification for a headset realistic?

[wind cave]

i don't know as much as everyone else here, i listen to them, but i can try to help where i can

what do you mean by realistic

[timber fog]

If by “realistic” you mean “a thing” then yes

[wind cave]

yea

[timber fog]

Quiet the loud shooty sounds, amplify the quiet talky sounds

[plush topaz]

Absolutely

[haughty bane]

ok

https://www.amazon.com/Walkers-Shooting-Protection-Electronic-Earmuffs/dp/B07Y5HYS95/ref=sr_1_19?crid=3O0FENSP72FLL&keywords=walkers%2Bheadset&psr=PDAY&qid=1689085287&s=prime-day&sprefix=walkers%2Bheadse%2Cprime-day%2C179&sr=1-19&th=1

So these?

[plush topaz]

Turns you into a fckin bat

[wind cave]

theyre all gonna be the same really besdies different liveries/designs

only difference i believe is electronic or non eletronic , and bluetooth capable

you probably dont got friends like everyone else here so id just get the eletronic ones no bluetooth

[muted gate]

i love when you can hear the dude 40 lanes over in walkers

[wind cave]

i do love that

[haughty bane]

i actually do lol, i have one buddy and were both getting alot more into this

[wind cave]

it makes going to the range so fun. hear so many convos

[plush topaz]

I can hear them Talking about how amazing freedom is

[haughty bane]

they actually work like that?

[plush topaz]

Yes

[haughty bane]

thats kinda crazy

[wind cave]

the noise amplification really works well yea

[muted gate]

nah i hear "God derm brandon needs to ferkan croak already"

[wind cave]

it will actually remind you of tarkov if thats your closest reference

[muted gate]

fyi this is coming from dudes who are just as old, and more out of shape

[haughty bane]

mmhm

[muted gate]

BTW if you do go walkers, they are great

[plush topaz]

Bubba, load up the clips and send it full semi auto!

[wind cave]

i thought everyone here hated walkers

[timber fog]

God, I love this country

[wind cave]

i thought they were for poors to you guys

[muted gate]

they are mono with an aux port for other shit

[plush topaz]

Wow wtf walkers aren't on sale on Amazon Canada for prime day

[wind cave]

god bless america

[muted gate]

they are great cheap electronic earpro

[timber fog]

Amen brother

[muted gate]

they just like to die

[haughty bane]

arnt on sale for us either

[wind cave]

i agree, ive just never heard anyone here say anything good about them lol

[plush topaz]

Rick Grimes for sure did.

[muted gate]

but for like 20 bucks on sale you cant beat them

[wind cave]

HA

[plush topaz]

[wind cave]

cannoli, you need to become a dad alrady brah

you're the daddiest guy i knwo bro no homo

[plush topaz]

I'm the IRL-weapons dad

[haughty bane]

so should i get em now because you guys seem to have sold me on them

[timber fog]

He is a daddy of a cute little Tavor

[muted gate]

@plush topaz dude, so i think i can score some PLA cammies.

https://i.etsystatic.com/21987885/r/il/594011/2323647346/il_570xN.2323647346_85f3.jpg

time to do the red dawn larp

[wind cave]

thats your choice bro lol

[plush topaz]

5 beautiful Tavors

[wind cave]

[timber fog]

Well gah damn

[plush topaz]

Wtf

[muted gate]

guy i know in china

[haughty bane]

it has been done

[muted gate]

seeing if i can get the full Type 21 kit

Carrier, helmet, etc

[wind cave]

[muted gate]

ruck, boots, duffle, assault pack

[haughty bane]

now just to actually find a carrier and helmet that will work well

[muted gate]

dogtag, nametapes, etc

[wind cave]

take these guys advice about this stuff. get the jpc.

[muted gate]

also trying to build le chinese HK416

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49238604611_0db5c033f6_o.jpg

gonna call it the (W)hat (W)ould (M)ao (D)o rifle

[haughty bane]

im still trying to find one that isnt like 350+

[wind cave]

jpc

that is going to be the best, cheapest thing you find

[muted gate]

jpc 2 on ebay

[timber fog]

Or 1.0 even

[muted gate]

or tac swap

[timber fog]

Don’t buy new

[wind cave]

i need good boots, you guys should give some boot recommendations

[muted gate]

for your first carrier dont buy new, buy used with shit

[wind cave]

he needs it too

[muted gate]

nike SFBs

[haughty bane]

74$ lmao

[wind cave]

fr or joke?

[muted gate]

https://dks.scene7.com/is/image/GolfGalaxy/19NIKMSFBFLD28LTHFBO_Coyote?qlt=70&wid=600&fmt=pjpeg

i rock these

they fall apart after like 9-12 months of constant abuse, and are a jungle pattern

[timber fog]

Make sure it’s your size too

[haughty bane]

yah

[muted gate]

but they feel like sneakers and are light as shit

@plush topaz you run lowa right?

[wind cave]

nike boots are some of my favorite casual wear shoes

they feel like sneakers

[plush topaz]

No I have salomons

[muted gate]

only shitty thing is they fall apart after like a year

[plush topaz]

And you call me a dad

[haughty bane]

lol

[wind cave]

yea these are old man boots lol but im young and in highschool these were cool 😂

[plush topaz]

You got the Nike Janitor in a Retirement home 5's

[wind cave]

its a dumb maryland/ny thing

it really is 😂

every cop in baltimore wears these

[fluid plover]

Baltimore

[plush topaz]

They comfy tho?

[fluid plover]

[wind cave]

ikr

[wind cave]

seriously super duper comfy

they use the nike air max technology for the sole and the bubbles you see at the bottom. genuinely most comfortable boots ever. feel just like sneakers

there's a reason tons of cops wear them

[fluid plover]

I have a colleague that works as a Baltimore PD heli pilot, was talking about his work over the weekend

[wind cave]

and i actually like how they look with jeans

[fluid plover]

He was like 3 homicides
Me : wow in one weekend
In one of my shifts

[wind cave]

yeah, baltimore is horrible

[haughty bane]

with that stuff though, i run into stuff like this. I feel like theres more thata i should be looking for than just that?

[wind cave]

genuinely horrible

i had to live there for a while sadly

[fluid plover]

Hope you live on the better parts of it

I try to steer clear of there

[wind cave]

nah im way out in the burbs now lmao fuck no

[muted gate]

not what we are talking about

[fluid plover]

ok

[muted gate]

you want a used JPC 2

[wind cave]

i dont even breathe baltimore air brah

[fluid plover]

lmao

I was on a road trip from TX back

[wind cave]

all the people i grew up with white or black had illegal guns, no recreation, so everyones just smoking weed , popping percs, doing dumb shit

murder is super normal

[fluid plover]

went off the road to fill gas and bathroom break, only saw like 2 functioning street lamps and a blinking traffic light

I checked the map

and realized where I was

[wind cave]

[muted gate]

newark you werent supposed to go out alone to the corner store

always 2

[wind cave]

theyre all the same

every hood is the same shit just differnt people who act the same

[wind cave]

i woudlve got this if i knew it was that cheap on ebay

yeah you got tons more stuff to get, but its a process

[haughty bane]

something like this?

[misty mango]

crye

you want crye

thats the brand

[wind cave]

ever been to detroit / chicago?

[muted gate]

basically you are hunting for that low priced Crye JPC 1.0 or 2.0 for cheaper than new

[haughty bane]

mmmk

[muted gate]

preferably with pouches

[fluid plover]

Drove through Detroit in the daytime

Saw the lower parts but didn't drive through

Hard noped

[wind cave]

i feel you

yeah after having to grow up in american cities, i stick to the burbs now, i fucking love peace and quiet

and people not getting murdered around me

[fluid plover]

I'm not driving anywhere near those places until I get my ccw

even then

[wind cave]

dont go anywhere with a gun that you wouldnt go without one

[haughty bane]

so like thiiiis

[wind cave]

but still if you gotta go to baltimore or in the city, take a gun

[fluid plover]

Interesting

[wind cave]

it's actually a good rule i feeel, sounds corny but yea

best way to win a fight is not be there / outsource your violence to the police

[snow scarab]

@fluid plover post gear numpty

[fluid plover]

I have no gear

Only gun

[snow scarab]

L

just be me, buy something, realize it doesn’t fit what you want, keep it and buy new thing

@fluid plover @muted lynx

my fuckin dog lmfao

[fluid plover]

[snow scarab]

now he’s above me on the couch lol

[haughty bane]

:)

[wind cave]

he's a good looking guy, but he looks terrifying in that first picture lmao

[muted lynx]

LMAO

I love boxers

So goofy

[snow scarab]

fr

[snow scarab]

😂

he was mid yawn

[snow scarab]

you better have given them fucking scratchies

[muted lynx]

This is a SnR dog I worked with recently

Oh, he got plenty lmao

[snow scarab]

boxers are simultaneously the stupidest and smartest dogs you’ll own

like my dog knows how to open our patio door. yet he will consistently run into the front door whenever we come back inside

[wind cave]

these dog pictures make me happy

anyone want to actually play the game the discord we're in is for?

lmaoo cap, some people have it

shovl has it i believe, he just hasnt built his pc yet i think

do none of you really have it?

[snow scarab]

i’m building a PC when i get back from deploying. gonna put like 3-4k into it and a new monitor

[wind cave]

niiiiceee

lmk how it goes i love seeing cool builds

[thin apex]

I just made an absolutely terrible financial decision

[ashen edge]

With inserts?

I’m the panels on the xxl are massive and also stab rated

[thin apex]

No plates at all

[ashen edge]

No panels

Like soft inserts

Kevlar

[thin apex]

No insterts

I might just buy some of those airsoft plates to make it rigid

And idk about the size on it either i ordered xxl because British people are small I guess lmao

[ashen edge]

No XXL is massive

I wear size L shirts and mine swallows me

It’s a xxl

[thin apex]

Well I hope it fits if not idk what I’m gonna do with it honestly

I guess it might just be a wall hanger

[snow scarab]

could probably return it honestly

or swap it out

[thin apex]

Yeah I hope they accept returns if it doesn’t fit

But I am 6ft 4 and pretty chunky so I think I’ll be ok

[ashen edge]

Unless you are a “ proper British geizer” it prolly won fit the from panel is about 3ft wide

91.44 cm

And the front and rear panels are the same size

[thin apex]

So I should prolly cancel it and go with 1x

[ashen edge]

It’s up to you as I don’t know what size you are but the UK uses standard NATO sizing so try and find your size

Like the xxxl I have is 240/xxx

So huge

[misty mango]

regular ospreys are big

theyre our equivalent to IOTV's

[ashen edge]

They are also stiff unlike IOTV’s

Cos gotta get that stab rating

[misty mango]

the MK4's arent too stiff compared to the older ones

[thin apex]

Idk I’ll just wait until I get it and if it’s super bad fitting I’ll see about sending it back or selling it

[ashen edge]

I hope it fits my friend

Also a interesting note the plat pocket has internal pockets for ECBA heart plates

[thin apex]

What’s ecba?

[ashen edge]

The previous vest

This

Mine is just a cover with some foam inserts but it’s the same shapes

It’s a flak vest with lvl 3 ceramic plates over the heart

[thin apex]

Oh nice

[ashen edge]

The plates where reused for the side plates in the next vest

They are 6x8 plates

Very heavy early types tho

[thin apex]

Very nice

I wonder if the shoulder plates in mice come with armor or if I would have to buy that

[ashen edge]

Prolly empty tbh but who knows

Have you ever made a foam “soft armor” insert before

[thin apex]

No I’ve never even had any kind of vest or anything before I just saw this on Americana pipedream and thought it was cool

[ashen edge]

Ah

Does it specify no armor parts?

[thin apex]

It just said no plates included but I thought the small shoulder plates and neck piece might have them

Probably not tho

[ashen edge]

For that price it might have the soft armor in it

I got mine for around the same price and it had the Kevlar

[thin apex]

Oh nice

So I might just need to make some of those foam plates you said to make

[ashen edge]

I made mine with some 1cn shipping foam

[misty mango]

I keep looking at this then realising how tragic it is getting uk surplus in the US

[ashen edge]

If you really want xxxl inserts I could sell you mine

[misty mango]

i could've snagged an osprey mk4 for like £30 a few months ago

(i didnt because i dont like em)

[thin apex]

Damn

[ashen edge]

With inserts?

[misty mango]

soft armour yeah

[thin apex]

Like I said it was a terrible financial decision but it’s cool so it canceled out

[misty mango]

based

didnt have the plates but i believe i can custom order from nexus for osprey sized plates

[ashen edge]

If you get see one in large and are down I’ll pay 20 bucks and shipping

[misty mango]

i would go look for you but they closed the surplus store in my city

[ashen edge]

Damn

[misty mango]

whenever i come across another ill hit you up

[thin apex]

Ok I’ll dm you when it gets here if it fits me atleast

[ashen edge]

Sounds good

[ashen edge]

Thanks boss

Started wearing my old boots I’ve found them very good for going up and down hills I have no clue what brand they are but was wondering what the hardcore larpers here where for their larping

[gleaming kestrel]

Funnily enough I have a pair of timberland hiking boots. Bought them 2 years ago for larping when I did that stuff, and they ended up being my favorite pair of shoes. Stupid comfortable, fit perfectly. Can wear them all day and can do almost anything in them, can run and hike, work in them etc

Only like $80 too I think, if I remember I'll add a picture whenever I'm home tomorrow

[ashen edge]

Nothing beats a good beater pair of boots

[timber fog]

I just use skate shoes tbh

I have boots but I hardly wear em

[gleaming kestrel]

Absolutely

[marsh flint]

this is mine today

[zinc jay]

If you want a carrier for under 250 get a wartech or Russian copy carrier. People will shit on them but honestly they’re cheaper for basically the same thing and work just fine

I would keep the plates American though for sure

[haughty bane]

Do you have any sources where I could try and get one?

[zinc jay]

Facebook marketplaces are your best bet. There’s quite a few for Russian gear

[haughty bane]

I haven’t really seen anything on there :/

[zinc jay]

I’m in a few and I see them quite constantly, also some guys who’ll source the stuff on requests

[haughty bane]

Ah

[zinc jay]

Red market is a good place to start

[haughty bane]

Red market?

Sorry, I’m kinda clueless on this lol

[zinc jay]

Facebook group, you can search it up

[haughty bane]

Ah

Ok

Uuuuh, what’s the answer to the last question? The gear manufacturers? I don’t really know any

@zinc jay

[zinc jay]

What’s the question?

[haughty bane]

The second one

@zinc jay :p

[snow scarab]

no. just no.

[zinc jay]

Keep being elite with your overpriced carriers lmao

I have both and there’s honestly no difference

[snow scarab]

there is most definitely a difference

[zinc jay]

Material wise and construction wise, no.

[snow scarab]

worse stitching, lower quality materials, not IR treated, the list goes on and on

[zinc jay]

The IR treatment would be the only difference but they are indeed IR treated to a degree

[empty willow]

Just got this in the mail. Game doesn’t lie, it’s hard as hell to open… I literally can’t open it with my hands

[snow scarab]

it is pretty much proven that russian copies are not as durable as actual american or british made body armor

[zinc jay]

Ok, show me then?

[low fox]

just grab a jpc 2.0 off ebay its cheap and really just mid quality

[misty mango]

jpc

"mid quality"

what

[timber fog]

I have 2 wartech rigs and will in fact still tell you to buy american

[zinc jay]

I have 3 war tech rigs and they work great

[timber fog]

I’m not saying they don’t, but I am saying it’s not worth the price if you have to factor in customs

At that point just buy the American piece it’s copying

[ancient grail]

Wartech doesn't exist anymore lmao

I still wish I could buy their stuff though

[timber fog]

Yeah, wish I got another of their D3CR clones tbh

[ancient grail]

Also boo no russian quality isn't American quality

Russians using American equipment 🗣💯

[timber fog]

Exactly. There’s a reason they opt for legit western gear over their domestically produced copies

And a few reasons why said copies are cheaper than their western counterparts

[ancient grail]

Ars arma🗣💯

[timber fog]

Tfw you’re on a speedrun to get blacklisted from posting images

I respect it

[zinc jay]

I’m getting stuff in regularly, nowadays customs doesn’t care

[plush topaz]

Uh

What

[karmic pelican]

@timber fog Going for ANA tactical

be it a M1/M2, Alpha or the tiny universal vest

tho rn, only the universal vest is available on a store

[ancient grail]

Bro said the jpc was mid

[low fox]

we do a little trolling

[stuck hazel]

It’s just not the case though is it

[haughty bane]

does ballistic armor for legs and arms exist?

[ancient grail]

Why would you want that

[snow scarab]

i mean technically. companies like LTC and Hoplite have shoulder and femoral plates

[haughty bane]

mmk

[stuck hazel]

Is this a leg meta orientated question

Because generally people in this chat don’t play the game

[haughty bane]

i know

im just generally asking because i feel like it would kinda be worth it to protect your apendages because their still pretty important?

[stuck hazel]

It doesn’t work for stopping bullets very well but it exists for people who need it

[haughty bane]

or is it like just unnesccicary weight?

[stuck hazel]

They’re heavy they’re uncomfortable and people don’t aim for the legs in real life

Same with shoulder/arm protection

[haughty bane]

but couldnt you get like IIIA soft armor that goes around like legs and arms? to at lease mitigate the damage?

[haughty bane]

i know but getting shot in the leg can still be more than enough kill you

[misty mango]

3a only stops pistol rounds
and it will still deform

[haughty bane]

yah

[misty mango]

odds of being shot in the legs or upper arm isnt terribly high

in comparison to center mass or forearm

[haughty bane]

but still for your forearm, like my point still stands? because thats in their line of aiming?

[misty mango]

nothing really exists for the forearm

[haughty bane]

i feel like for that you would have to focus on something hard and with a high ricochet chance to deflect it than trying to stop it

[muted gate]

you can TQ an arm and a leg p damn high

gut shot, neck shot, head shot, chest shot is death

[haughty bane]

yah

[muted gate]

thats why most armor only need cover the really hard to fix bits

[ashen edge]

They made an EOD suit for the PASGT program like what you described

[misty mango]

slap some steel around your firearms and try running drills with guns for about an hour an tell me how awful it is

[misty mango]

the vitals

[haughty bane]

i understand that, yah. impossible to maintain

[misty mango]

losing an arm or leg isnt a death sentence typically

[ashen edge]

The PASGT EOD getup

Cover yourself in Kevlar

With the funny boots

[muted gate]

A, i have the helmet
B. its a pos

[misty mango]

what about the silly russian uparmoured ratnik shit

[ashen edge]

Goofy

[misty mango]

very

[ashen edge]

Most frag protection you see is used by artillery units from what I’ve seen

[muted gate]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fk5A778aAAAT-O9.jpg

embrace chinese psyop

i really do love this camo tho

[ashen edge]

I’ve seen a lot of add on frag collars and deltoid panels I use by artillery and adulation units in unnamed war

but that may be due to the climate and intensity of shelling of the conflict

[misty mango]

tbf i can understand why

[muted gate]

counterbattery has been a massive thing this conflict

[misty mango]

counter battery fire is a huge risk

and also
they aint running and gunning like generic infantry

extra armour isnt really a detriment

[ashen edge]

I’ve seen these comically large yokes in use that look like a neck brace

Tbh I would want to keep shrapnel out of my neck too

[haughty bane]

nah, id like more shrapnel please

[ashen edge]

Built diff

[snow scarab]

shoulder and arm plates/kevlar actually make a lot of sense

same as side plates

[stuck hazel]

why do they have such limited application then.

[ashen edge]

I would say they make a lot of sense for specific applications like artillery units or unit’s expected to deal with shelling regularly

If he means that then he would be right

[stuck hazel]

you dont see it happen though do you

[ashen edge]

I do? In the current Eastern war you see a lot of added fragmentation protection

[stuck hazel]

combat units that dont do a lot of moving and are particularly subject to indirect fire have application for more arm and leg protection, such as artillery units yes

but direct action units such as what is being debated in the prior conversation dont use them

[ashen edge]

Not in storm or assault units no

[ashen edge]

We agree then

[stuck hazel]

ive seen more ukrainian arty units with no armour than with armour

[ashen edge]

I’ve seen most assault units with PCs and many regular army units with IOTV style vests

[ashen edge]

?

Looks like a semi permanently emplaced gun

They have been there for ages or it’s a training range

[stuck hazel]

you have literally just jumped to a conclusion over a random picture ive put in chat

its a mobile gun

[ashen edge]

It’s in a 5 foot deep emplacement

That shit is dug in

They had time to dig out flatten and then put in that gun

[stuck hazel]

right and this is relevant to what we were talking about how

doesnt make them any less suseptable to artillery outside of the gun operators

[ashen edge]

How are the pic relevant tbh dunno why you posted them other that “look here’s a pic of a UA soldier with no armor” I may be misreading it tho

[stuck hazel]

the original picture was in reference to my previous statement

this last one was because you jumped to a conclusion so quickly about the former

[ashen edge]

tbh this conflict might be a bad one to use as an example

Mfs are broke

[stuck hazel]

theyve been given a stupid amount of IOTVs

and its not like they arnt issued armour

[ashen edge]

👀

Might depend on who you are and what you do

You think this dude was issued this lol

[stuck hazel]

artillery is pretty essential

likelyhood he bought it is minimal

[ashen edge]

bro wearing it like apron

[muted gate]

arty is the core of their shit at this point

on both sides

battery fire, counter battery fire, 90 second shoot and scoots

[ashen edge]

I would pose that the majority of western body armor would be issued to the front line

[muted gate]

nope

[ashen edge]

Aight

[stuck hazel]

leg/arm protection just isnt used outside of iotvs which are objectively pretty shitty carriers

where people get the choice the most common extension of armour is usually exclusively abdomen protection

again because you cant TQ your stomach

[ashen edge]

I’ve seen frag collars and yoke as well but less so

Not a huge amount but it’s around

Also a weirdly large amount of thoes dick flaps

[muted gate]

cant TQ your balls

[ashen edge]

These things

[muted gate]

cant TQ your balls

[ashen edge]

I didn’t think they made them this big

[ashen edge]

True

[haughty bane]

I feel like that would get in the way and affect your running

Also is that a full plate?

[ashen edge]

Nah Kevlar

They do make small rifle rated ones tho

but they are very little

[haughty bane]

Ah

It looks like it would fit a plate

[ashen edge]

It looks like a PC front pannel strapped upside down to another

[haughty bane]

So it would

[ashen edge]

I’ve seen both parties use them

Least the ones using western kit

[haughty bane]

I understand it but I feel like it would be kinda cumbersome

Do half plates exist for stuff like that?

[ashen edge]

Explain

[haughty bane]

Because the plate mainly just covers your ches, would there be an attachment that you could add that would hand down below the plate carrier that would fit another hard plate to cover your stomach

[plush topaz]

It doesn't

[ashen edge]

Yea

That the rifle rated dangle type things

[haughty bane]

Pic, links?

I haven’t seen any while looking around for other stuff

[ashen edge]

The rifle rated ones are rare but I’ve found a Kevlar one

It’s the same thing but has ceramic instead of Kevlar

[haughty bane]

Why would they be rare? I fell like your stomach I’d just as important

[ashen edge]

Cos you need to bend at the waist

The area moves a lot

So having a stiff plate there sucks

[haughty bane]

But wouldn’t it bed at where it attaches?

[ashen edge]

Wear a 6b23 and you’ll see

[stuck hazel]

you cant just put armour everywhere is the moral of this conversastion. everywhere on your body is important just not as essential as other places

[misty mango]

its survivorship bias

[ashen edge]

Lol

[misty mango]

you dont up armour the shit that people lose but still survive eith

you up armour the shit that causes them to not come back

[haughty bane]

So yah, you would want to armor your stomach

[misty mango]

chest and head region yeah

head not as much but still important

[ashen edge]

You can survive a stomach wound with care and they usually aren’t immediately fatal

[misty mango]

theyre a lot harder to do on your own though

[haughty bane]

^

[misty mango]

compared to slapping TQ on a limb