irl-gear

[snow scarab]

anyways

do i buy 26605 swimmers rn while they are in stock or wait till payday

or just even wait for tomorrow for my pay stub

[empty sorrel]

Honestly the 26605 is pretty underwhelming

[snow scarab]

6.5 lbs per plate and swimmer cut

my only worry is how they will fit in my SPC

but they should be fine

[empty sorrel]

Yes?

[snow scarab]

a little extra material won’t kill

[snow scarab]

vs no plates

cause i sold the RMAs

[empty sorrel]

Why not just get a regular sapi cut

[snow scarab]

not in stock for 12-16 more weeks everywhere

[empty sorrel]

Take half of time in sable vivit more, then get the adept plates

[snow scarab]

but i also get 20% off through hoplite

[empty sorrel]

https://www.ade.pt/product/rf3-armor-plate/

Also 6.5 lb

Not swimmers

[snow scarab]

aren’t they also supposed to be like 1.25 inch thick?

also not certed

[empty sorrel]

They've got lab tests, but yes not NIJ certified

And yeah 1.18"

So pretty close to an 1155

But two pounds lighter

[proud hazel]

tbh its probably fine

[raw river]

its for my wish.com LV print plate carrier

[empty sorrel]

Still the most resistant plate on the civilian market

Show me another plate that can stop m2ap and m993 at over 3300fps

Yeah I know I have them

They are barely lv4

28595

Gen v spear

The -x is for size

One medium one large

Also they size different than sapis

So one -2, one -3

They are equivalent in protection

Ultimately the 28595 was disappointing in tests

But I intend to keep them as a collector's item

Ultimately you will probably start seeing more of them available aftermarket, as the next version of it is slowly being issued now

Gen 5-B

Valid criticism,

Personally the lab testing and third party testing is sufficient for me

Do I wouldn't judge you if you said that wasn't enough

No hesco failed the actual NIJ testing

But they weren't the first nor last

Here's their testing

TNO is pretty much the largest testing lab in Europe

None of LTC's interesting plates are certified either

[granite tartan]

VPAM 🙏

[granite tartan]

They’re build under another reg

And tested

NIJ is meaningless

[empty sorrel]

Technically it did fail on back face deformation on the last shot

So technically not vpam12

[snow scarab]

i just refuse to wear a brand that constantly fails FIT lol

[granite tartan]

Hesco high end plates don’t

But most brands don’t even certify their shit anymore with the NIJ

Cause, it sucks

[empty sorrel]

I'm pretty sure the only hesco plates that failed were the level 3, and if I recall it failed on its fifth hit

Still a failure, but in my opinion less egregious then it could have potentially have been

[granite tartan]

Their 400 series plates fail a lot

Or used to

@snow scarab hesco high end stuff is good

But again, no one certifies shit

[empty sorrel]

Ill have to ask them at adept why they haven't gone through the process

[granite tartan]

Adept isn’t NIJ either

[empty sorrel]

Personally though, seeing it take an m2ap hit at 400fps over spec does a good bit to dissuade my hesitancy.

[granite tartan]

Ittl be fine

Adept is good

[snow scarab]

false

[empty sorrel]

It's a metric

[granite tartan]

Dude is getting muzzle blasted point blank by cmp guys

[snow scarab]

nobody certified to .07 yet

[empty sorrel]

Is .07 even out?

[snow scarab]

nope

[empty sorrel]

Thought they were still working on the new standard

[granite tartan]

.07 is supposed to come soon ™️

But the specs are out

They’ve been out/proposed since 2018

[empty sorrel]

Imo weight >>> thickness

[granite tartan]

Goes hand in hand no?

You use LTC?

Spooky boy

[snow scarab]

ofc he does

what else do you except?

apex stopped selling them sadly

[granite tartan]

Bae

[snow scarab]

think they are discontinued

[granite tartan]

Ceradyne

[empty sorrel]

Tencate

[granite tartan]

Other spooky brands

[snow scarab]

lol ok

i’m just gonna go with the swimmers

[granite tartan]

@snow scarab his place of work literally has an unlimited budget

[empty sorrel]

I won't deny. The spear plates are definitely more practical

[snow scarab]

yeah i know

https://www.hoplitearmor.com/products/two-swimmer-plates-triple-curve-level-iv-stand-alone-26605?variant=31186107433029

[empty sorrel]

But I can't help but want the dummy thick Chad plate

[empty sorrel]

Imo a bit pricey for what they are

[snow scarab]

how

[granite tartan]

Hm?

[snow scarab]

also i get 20% off

[granite tartan]

They aren’t sapi plates

[snow scarab]

and?

[granite tartan]

I am a sapi plate enjoyer

[snow scarab]

the SAPI ones have a month lead time and are half a pound heavier

still getting super quality plates

fuck you

getting free shit

[granite tartan]

Send me your pfm

[snow scarab]

like you’re a god damn youtuber

ilose26 secretly garand thumb?

[granite tartan]

@snow scarab become a cop

They send us free shit all the time here

[snow scarab]

i might

KC is one of the best funded cities

[granite tartan]

Being a cop is lame

cringe even

Yours is also literally a political entity

To be fair

[snow scarab]

yeah KC had a little scandal last week

[granite tartan]

They all do

All will

Inevitable

[snow scarab]

was apparently told to pull over license plates of POC more often

that’s terribly worded

but you know what i mean

like if they run plates of someone speeding and they are a POC they pull em over more often

might actually just stick to my county instead of KC

[granite tartan]

Pull over people with melanin

[granite tartan]

County is the best

Thug life

But it’s politically driven

[snow scarab]

our county swat works on leavenworth a lot

[granite tartan]

And you can get voted out with the sherif

Not where I work

County literally can’t stop not like

Infringing rights

[snow scarab]

although if i could choose i would go back to LA for LAPD. whole lot more action

[granite tartan]

Yeah, where you work basically the Middle East @low fox

[snow scarab]

come here mf

[barren kettle]

an officer in a county near me shot himself in the ass last week

[snow scarab]

lol

they have more funding that NYPD domt they?

and NYPD is bigger than some militaries

[granite tartan]

The meta is to retire from a high inflation state

Then transfer

Literally your salary is like $200

[snow scarab]

realistically i could just do 20 in the guard, get that pension and then do like 10-15 as a cop/SWAT and get that pension

have a neighbor doing that

just finished his 40 years in the air force as an o-7

[raw river]

How do u even do that

[barren kettle]

from what i was told is that he was carrying with his gun in his back and when he went to pull it out he somehow pulled the trigger

[raw river]

Dude was ghetto carrying?

[barren kettle]

i guess so, im not entirely sure

[snow scarab]

@low fox only thing i’m worried about with swimmers is the extra fabric

since it’s all exposed in the SPC

feel like it’ll look weird lol

[empty sorrel]

you mean the extra where the difference between sapi and swimmer is?

[snow scarab]

yeah

just worried about the fabrics

[empty sorrel]

its fine

[snow scarab]

ah ok

yeah my SPC is perfectly sized rn

do you know how thick the side ESAPIs are?

[empty sorrel]

what model

but generally, .7-.9"

[snow scarab]

whatever i might be issued lol

as long as it’s under an inch

[empty sorrel]

are you special or just an 11b

[snow scarab]

if it’s over i’ll have to resize my cummerbund

which is a bitch

11B or 19D

idk which one i’ll be changed to lol

[empty sorrel]

non- zero chance you get issued the older ones

and they are most commonly the 7x8 size actually

so could b e an issue

[snow scarab]

fuck

[empty sorrel]

just get some msaps

[snow scarab]

ik the newest side ESAPIs are 6x6

[empty sorrel]

use those

[raw river]

he is reserves in bum fuck kansas

[snow scarab]

some what

[raw river]

he might get old shit

[snow scarab]

not when it comes to body armor

kansas is one of the best in new procurement

we have new m4s all the time

[empty sorrel]

MSAP plates, issued as an add-on armor system

commonly found greymartket

[raw river]

what in kansas needs protecting besides kfc's original recipe

[empty sorrel]

like 1.8lb

[raw river]

no wait thats Kentucky

[snow scarab]

we get deployed a lot

like more than any state

[empty sorrel]

https://www.tacswap.com/post/64209c602abf82814bd6507d

[snow scarab]

we have some of the highest qualified flight medics in the entire army

of which one of my family members is one of them

[empty sorrel]

old, but the sealed design means they're near impossible to break

[raw river]

trickle down economics works reagan was the greatest president

[empty sorrel]

and also lv 4

[snow scarab]

that’s tempting af

ngl

[empty sorrel]

since they were issued as a set of five, and like 90% of the sof guys wanted two at most

theres a lot of surplus

[snow scarab]

oh @raw river we have more armor than any other state

that is why we get moved a lot too

[raw river]

what kind of armor

the one with engines

[snow scarab]

like tanks and bradley’s

we are the reason fort riley has tanks on it lol

[snow scarab]

why’d you send me that lmfao. now i wanna buy it

[empty sorrel]

new model esapis show up occasionally too

[raw river]

does kansas have silos

[snow scarab]

grain silos

with grain and corn

[raw river]

nuclear

[snow scarab]

probably has missile silos

the closest airsoft field is an old NIKE missile facility

then it was a school

[raw river]

huh

[empty sorrel]

check this guy I missed out on https://www.tacswap.com/post/63418e86e02c48000a59f803

[raw river]

nike has missiles?

why does a shoe company need ICBMs

[snow scarab]

i’m sorry it can hold a plate??

[empty sorrel]

yes

[raw river]

do you have a fucking EOD suit or some shit

[empty sorrel]

working on it

[raw river]

huh

[raw river]

why do u need an EOD suit

[empty sorrel]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[raw river]

wrong answer you should have told me to go fuck myself like a real American

[empty sorrel]

technically this is less eod and more just anti-frag

Ive got a pait of similar pants

[grand portal]

He must be a student

[raw river]

eod suits stop explosions not bullets

[empty sorrel]

theres a good bit of overlap in the science

[grand portal]

and my joke falls flat because of my lack of armor knowledge

Well, see yah

[empty sorrel]

didnt you hear? jokes arent allowed

[empty sorrel]

careful there wouldn't wanna get a warning for posting memes either

except that ones not even sarcastic

[grand portal]

Lol

[snow scarab]

think i’m gonna get a set of qore shoulder pads and one of their ice plate systems

[sand rover]

I hear they're good

[empty sorrel]

I wish they were flexible instead of Rigid

[plush topaz]

@grand portal remind me since I forgot. Is the helion coming to Canada?

[grand portal]

The rifle? Not anytime soon is all i found

@plush topaz

[plush topaz]

True

[sand rover]

motorola xts2500 and 5000 can be had surplus for less than $200 I believe

best feature set for the money, but not the simplest radio to learn I've been told

it's like having all the options, but you gotta figure out how to use them

if you wanna save money though, there are some 30-50 buck radios that are pretty good too

more simple too

[storm peak]

Get the baofeng and invest into a trellisware

No sense in getting a 152 clone if you're intent is single channel plain text

[sand rover]

well motorolas are pretty much bomb proof

[sand rover]

so the money spent goes towards something

[snow scarab]

@sand rover did you see my dm?

[sand rover]

yep

[snow scarab]

gotcha, just making sure

[sand rover]

👍

now I just gotta wait till wednesday and order the carrier

[plush topaz]

Ya get the beefwang

[sand rover]

you wanna get fancy, get one of the waterproof ones

[granite tartan]

Bröther

Reee

Depends how deep you want to get into comma

Baofengs are good if you want cheap comms. They aren’t reliable, they have a tendency to erratic and break

And randomly emit RF signals, so careful

[stuck hazel]

Might grab one of these for the airshit Larp, if I do il let you know if it’s any good

[coarse laurel]

I have one and it works just fine

[stuck hazel]

A TRI one?

[coarse laurel]

Yes

[stuck hazel]

How much you pay for it?

[coarse laurel]

300

Or something

[stuck hazel]

Worth it?

[coarse laurel]

Yeah I’ve used it heavily in milsims

It was also compatible with real Harris antennas and batteries

I also use it with my real peltors

PTT and all

U94 PTT’s work best

Also Thales stuff

I put a long Thales whip antenna on it

[stuck hazel]

Fuck I’m really considering the investment

I don’t have a headset that would be compatible

So it would be 300 for the comms and 300 for some XPIs

Or do something with a speaker mic and turn it off in between uses

[granite tartan]

The tri is a reshelled baofeng, they work

You also gotta weight, how capable you want your comms to be

$300 gets you a much more capable radio

[stuck hazel]

is this legit

[granite tartan]

Is the tri legit?

[stuck hazel]

no as in is it literally internally identical to a baofeng

[granite tartan]

More or less

The ar-152 is literally a canabalixed uv5r

Imo, you’d be much better off with a model III XtS and learning Astro Cps

It’s cheaper

[snow scarab]

you keep saying this, however izurumi says otherwise

[granite tartan]

I literally don’t care what he has to say

[stuck hazel]

[snow scarab]

yeah i know, cause you think you know more than him

[granite tartan]

About these radios?

Yeah

Medical, fuck no

[snow scarab]

then please show us what proof you have that shows it’s just a reboxed baofeng and i’ll apologize

[granite tartan]

Damn got me

Asked for the sauce

@snow scarab I said the ar-152 was a uv-5r

[stuck hazel]

wouldnt be that hard to find a spec sheet

[granite tartan]

Good luck

Unless you want to donate me a TCA I’ll open it

With a dremel

[stuck hazel]

https://www.tacticalgeartrade.co.uk/tri-an-prc-152-aluminum-walkie-talkie-multiband-5w-10w-ipx-7-metal-prc-152.html

[granite tartan]

Fuck why are they $300

[snow scarab]

because it takes all real MBITR parts

and even uses the screens

[granite tartan]

Yeah, it’s analogue only which blows

You can get a gmrs only radio for like $20 and be happy

[stuck hazel]

got that military radio aesthetic for your sick gnarly larping

[granite tartan]

And be able to be on FRS radio

[granite tartan]

Honestly if that’s what you’re going for get it

It’s a really really powerful radio

15W is 3x the allowable limits for GMRS which is frankly based

[stuck hazel]

would it function in every way id need it to as a radio

[granite tartan]

“The radio itself functions not unlike a Baofeng in terms of its programming and use of VHF/UHF frequencies. Actually the feeling given by the TCA while I was messing with the settings was that this is just a Baofeng on steroids, and that the remaining £225 in it’s price tag was for the outer appearance and military hardware”

[stuck hazel]

and thats not in a professional capacity

[granite tartan]

Baofeng on steroids

[granite tartan]

If you want it as a replica I’d send it

But

If you want a capable radio

I wouldn’t buy it

[stuck hazel]

understood

[granite tartan]

Especially cause for even $200 you can get into digital radio

[stuck hazel]

il have a look if i can cut any corners on the price

[granite tartan]

Motorolas have innate encryption with DPL

Which imo fucks

[stuck hazel]

on the website it says it has "voice encryption"

which

i have no fucking idea

[granite tartan]

Anyone with a tri can listen in on it

@snow scarab the TRI 152 is a reshelled baofeng

The TCA is slightly different

[stuck hazel]

whats the TCA

[snow scarab]

how

[granite tartan]

“The second released was TCA PRC-152. This model worked with .mil headsets and batteries. The software is buggy, and they’ve been known to have problems with the finals.

The third to be released was the TRI PRC-117G. A lot of the features from the 117 came downstream to the 148 and 152 that are currently in TRI’s lineup after the 117 was discontinued. The 117 was unpopular due to cost, as it was ~$1,000. That said, it pushed 35W, ran off a bank of easily replaced batteries, could be used as a repeater, could do packet radio, etc”

[granite tartan]

Wdym how

The TCA is the upgraded radio

[stuck hazel]

more money im presuming

[snow scarab]

like why makes it a respelled baofeng besides it uses the same operating system as 99% of most radios people buy

[granite tartan]

It’s literally a new shell same internals

Same issues as baofengs

Reshelling radios isn’t hard

[stuck hazel]

i mean

@coarse laurel would you say the TRI-152 has the same capabilities as your baofeng?

[granite tartan]

The tri-152 is 15Watts

And you can put a giant ass antenna on it

And is dual band

You can get some range out of it

But most baofengs are dual band

[stuck hazel]

so there are tangible benefits to using it over a UV5R

[granite tartan]

It looks cool

And takes a 6pin

And is 15 fucking watts

I don’t think you realize how powerful that is

Personally, Id get a uv-9r

Save you some money

You frankly don’t need that much range

And the 9r is ruggedized

[coarse laurel]

Uv5R has better support for programming I like the tri-152 because it’s compatible with my Thales and Harris stuff also the fact that it’s sturdy as fuck

[granite tartan]

Uv-9r exists

[coarse laurel]

The nato 6 pin is also a plus for me since I hate getting adapters for shit

[granite tartan]

Just don’t get 6pins

I use native stuff

Silynx is my go to

But disco makes connectors

[snow scarab]

“just buy new stuff” is what you are telling him lol

[granite tartan]

What?

[coarse laurel]

Lol you seem to forget i have this shit lying around because of my job

[granite tartan]

Makes sense frankly

[snow scarab]

he already has six pin shit

[granite tartan]

Who this kid?

[granite tartan]

Even if he did, I’m still saving him money

[coarse laurel]

Also in my experience using real peltors with a UV5R is a pain because half the damn adapters in the market don’t work

[granite tartan]

Disco

Again

[coarse laurel]

Or just dies out from a little abuse

[granite tartan]

@feral trout you already have 6-pin stuff

Whoops

@stuck hazel

[stuck hazel]

fucking nope

[granite tartan]

@snow scarab

Lol

@stuck hazel if you want

[snow scarab]

what

[granite tartan]

I can hop into a voice call with you

[coarse laurel]

@stuck hazel is also using it for airsoft milsim type stuff so if he is going for realism then go for it. Personally I’d just get the MBITR version

[granite tartan]

@stuck hazel if you want to join

@snow scarab *

[snow scarab]

i’m working

[granite tartan]

He doesn’t have anything

So brand new comm kit

@snow scarab when do you get off

[stuck hazel]

lol can do

not today

[snow scarab]

6

and 30 minute drive home

and then i’m gonna go tf to sleep

[granite tartan]

If you want to play devils advocate radio mab

[coarse laurel]

I wanna hop in on this but I’m stuck in a chute shed waiting for night jump lol @snow scarab

[snow scarab]

@coarse laurel for some fucking reason i got chosen for private watching duty this weekend.

the entire fucking companies privates are under my command for the entirety of saturday

[granite tartan]

@stuck hazel you are paying $300 for a baofeng on steroids that looks like an mbitr

[snow scarab]

cause the NCOs have some class and shit

[coarse laurel]

I gotta piss so bad but im strapped on this harness and will be for the next 4 hrs

[granite tartan]

Or you could be based and buy an apx

Best radio

[coarse laurel]

All for a dumbass night jump on a Blackhawk

[snow scarab]

oh a blackhawk jump? fuckin hell

[stuck hazel]

im aware

well, im not paying anything yet

still unsure

[coarse laurel]

Almost positive it’s gonna get scratched because the winds are picking up

[granite tartan]

If you want capability or looks

[stuck hazel]

no access to a zipper?

[snow scarab]

hopefully

[coarse laurel]

We had guys get stuck on some tall ass trees yesterday

[granite tartan]

Or if you want to save money

[coarse laurel]

Because they got blown away

[coarse laurel]

Nope lol it’s tight on my crotch

[granite tartan]

Uv-9r are $34.99

[coarse laurel]

I don’t know about you but I don’t feel like hanging from a tree tonight

[stuck hazel]

is that the one that has the six pin capability im guessing

[stuck hazel]

that sucks

[granite tartan]

It uses its own dual pin

[snow scarab]

imma need proof

[granite tartan]

@snow scarab you get into radios yet or no

[coarse laurel]

Im not showing you my junk pri

[snow scarab]

not yet. buying new plates next week, back panel, and then side plates

then i’m working on it

[coarse laurel]

Also

[granite tartan]

@snow scarab thank you for yo&r service

[coarse laurel]

@stuck hazel don’t you have sordins?

[snow scarab]

actually sgt i’m a spc promotable, get it right

[stuck hazel]

i do, the ones without comms capability

i failed to plan ahead

[coarse laurel]

Lmao

[granite tartan]

Kill sordin owners

Eat them

[stuck hazel]

looking at peltor comtac XPIs atm

[coarse laurel]

That’s a damn shame

[stuck hazel]

gonna try get my money back on a resale and forgive and forget that purchase

[coarse laurel]

Sneak into fort Irwin and look around the desert

[granite tartan]

Those aren’t comm earpro

[coarse laurel]

People drop their peltors every time

[granite tartan]

Comless

[ancient grail]

FUCK FORT IRWIN

[coarse laurel]

Get fucked nerd

[granite tartan]

Thank you for your service

[coarse laurel]

I’m glad I’m not the only one getting reamed

[snow scarab]

if i go 19K i could possibly hit sergeant as soon as i hit 3 years

[stuck hazel]

https://www.best4headsets.co.uk/peltor-comtac-xpi-folding-headband-headset-millitary-green-all.html

[snow scarab]

19D will be harder and take longer apparently

[granite tartan]

You going active

[stuck hazel]

these are commless?

[coarse laurel]

19K hits Sgt simply by existing

[snow scarab]

no

well, not yet

[ancient grail]

When the army shit box breaks down for the 50th time💯

[snow scarab]

i could possibly be released after getting back next year

[granite tartan]

I think they’re like defenders

[snow scarab]

but i’m low key considering the marines

[coarse laurel]

I’ve never seen a fucking a 19K corporal since the memo for pre BLC promotion happened

[granite tartan]

The hookup is jank as fuck

[coarse laurel]

Lol I had 1068’s and 577’s in my last unit I feel that pain

[stuck hazel]

"provide quality two way radio communication"

[ancient grail]

I thought about re enlisting as a cav scout or engineer after this contract

[snow scarab]

you can hook up a mic and downlead to it

[snow scarab]

fuckin do it

[ancient grail]

This FA job is cool, but it's not my taste

[coarse laurel]

Lol pull string go boom

[snow scarab]

if i get 19D i can tell you how Q school is

[coarse laurel]

@snow scarab I was a 19D

[ancient grail]

Not even

I press buttons and shit goes boom lmao

[coarse laurel]

Fister?

[ancient grail]

Juliet

[coarse laurel]

MLRS?

Eeeeee

19D is a trap

Don’t do it

[ancient grail]

Me and my little tablet makes shit go boom

[snow scarab]

we don’t go to an AIT unit

[coarse laurel]

@ancient grail this is my ride now

[snow scarab]

also 19D is better than 11B in my state apparently

we do way more grunt work than they do

more range time

[snow scarab]

demo

[coarse laurel]

19Detail

Fuckin oof

[ancient grail]

I've really been weighing my options on what I wanna do, if not ill probably stay FA

[granite tartan]

Bro that thing takes jet fuel based

[coarse laurel]

Honestly go do something marketable

The days of doing cool guy shit is over unless you are in a special boi unit

[ancient grail]

I'm doing that outside of the NG

[coarse laurel]

Even rangers are struggling with this shit right now

[snow scarab]

become a 12B

[coarse laurel]

That’s why everyone here is getting in trouble, no missions no deployments just garrison shit

[ancient grail]

Search and rescue with LAFD

[coarse laurel]

Not to mention SF is in the same boat

[ancient grail]

It's either that or go airforce

[coarse laurel]

A good portion of 3rd group popped hot for drugs after block leave

Haha

[snow scarab]

oh shit

[ancient grail]

Because there isn't alot of incentive for me to go active duty, and if I do it'll be airforce

[snow scarab]

5th group just got back in country or is soon, 19th and 20th are doing trainings with SEALs

[coarse laurel]

Trying to get an assignment with group after my time here

[snow scarab]

wouldn’t you have to reclass?

[coarse laurel]

No

[snow scarab]

do they have normal docs as support people?

[coarse laurel]

Yup

[snow scarab]

oh

[sand rover]

https://youtu.be/eoC316DCACc

should I buy one?

[storm peak]

yall dont got the 4 seater ones?

[stuck hazel]

Why not just get something either military or from a more reputable civilian company

[sand rover]

🤷‍♂️ cus it looks like a good product, it is from a very reputable civilian company, and cost 130 usd

[stuck hazel]

What shit do you own or your friends own of theirs already

I’ve never heard of them

[sand rover]

They're european

[stuck hazel]

I’m european

[marsh flint]

That looks okay?

[sand rover]

It's made by decathalon, they're a fairly known name in hiking gear

[stuck hazel]

Is “they’re European” just the new “don’t ask questions bro”

[marsh flint]

Lolz

[stuck hazel]

I’ve heard of decathlon obviously

Decathlon is not my go to for anything at all though

Again, why not go for anything else

[sand rover]

Used a few of their packs previously, no big complaints

[stuck hazel]

But if you ask anyone here there are better bags

[sand rover]

Has a good mix of features, space, and quality foe the price

[sand rover]

For just over 100 bucks?

[stuck hazel]

I’m looking at this for 150 rn

[sand rover]

That's 385 dollars

[stuck hazel]

Would rather have an exceptional 45litre bag than a cheap 90l bag that I’ve first heard of via a clickbate YouTube video

[stuck hazel]

Nope

Wrong image

[sand rover]

That's euros for one

[stuck hazel]

Pounds

So at most it will be 180 dollars

[sand rover]

My bad

That'd be 193 usd

Also, in us

[stuck hazel]

If you don’t need a really good bag then go for it

[stuck hazel]

Nice job us

[stuck hazel]

The just under 100 one

[sand rover]

I said just over

[stuck hazel]

But it’s not “the toughest civilian ruck” anywhere

[stuck hazel]

My bad I looked it up and it was £90

[sand rover]

Even better deal for you guys then

[stuck hazel]

Tbh it would be something I would consider recommending to my friends

[sand rover]

It survives being dragged behind a truck for a 1/4 a mile with rocks in it just fine

[stuck hazel]

But nothing I’d use

[stuck hazel]

Ok?

[sand rover]

Did you watch the video?

[stuck hazel]

Just did

I’m impressed the strap didn’t come off

That’s about it

It’s a compromise is all I’m gonna say

The materials you’re getting there are not going to be as good as the stuff you’d get elsewhere but ripstop is ripstop

[sand rover]

It's same fabric with the same sewing

Wdym "materials aren't as good"

It's the same material

[stuck hazel]

Same fabric as what?

[stuck hazel]

As what

[stuck hazel]

Competitive to more expensive offerings, they aren’t

[sand rover]

I won't say it's using the same stuff as every brand, that just isn't true

But I know a lot of em are

[granite tartan]

Osprey stuff is great

@sand rover get a surplus mystery ranch satl

They’re cheap

[sand rover]

And smaller

And still likely not as cheap

[granite tartan]

Should be like 2-300

[sand rover]

So double

[granite tartan]

They’re a 61.5l bag

[granite tartan]

Thought you saw em for 350

[sand rover]

This is like 130 last I looked at the listing

[sand rover]

The osprey is 350

[granite tartan]

So

Cheaper and larger for the satl

[sand rover]

Or I get one in the video for 130 for 50 liters

Cheaper still, for a small loss of space

[stuck hazel]

Shame surplus mystery ranch doesn’t exist here

[stuck hazel]

A lot of the worse ones, sure

[sand rover]

And don't people complain about mystery ranch being overpriced and lower quality now?

[stuck hazel]

Mystery ranch simply isn’t anything you just said

[granite tartan]

Mystery ranch is overpriced

Quality

Overpriced

[sand rover]

They're not us made either

And still sold at the same price

[granite tartan]

They’re Berry complaint

[sand rover]

How so?

[granite tartan]

They used to be made in China

They’re made in Montana now

[sand rover]

Their new bags say "designed in us, made in vietnam"

[granite tartan]

Sorry let me rephrase

Their military packs are berry

[sand rover]

That 900 bucks ones?

[granite tartan]

The assault, Komodo’s

Anything issued, so the surplus satl

[sand rover]

That's good info to pocket for later

[granite tartan]

You know what berry is right(

[sand rover]

I usually don't care

Unless the product suffers for it

And from light reading, it sounds like non-us made mystery ranch does

[stuck hazel]

As long as the shits good I couldn’t care where it comes from

[compact dagger]

Welp, just learned that goretex boots may give you trench foot, even in low intensity situations

feel like shit now

[plush topaz]

They can yeah. They don't dry out well.

[compact dagger]

not even that, with the sweat you get from normal use its enough

and it felt likethey dried enough during the night in the tent

[plush topaz]

Yes that's what Im saying

[compact dagger]

but by midday you already felt cold/wet feet

[plush topaz]

Good wool socks hekp

[compact dagger]

came home today, had them on for like 38h straight and noticed heavy signs of incoming trench-foot

don't really have any proper wool socks

only merino wool

[plush topaz]

Merino is good

[compact dagger]

which is a big no for me during even slightrly warm weather

i sweat in them during winter

but don't notice it as much

[plush topaz]

But the Wool wicks away sweat

[compact dagger]

Idk, in normal boots i still felt the wetness quite a bit

or maybe im misunderstanding what it does

[plush topaz]

You'll always feel damp

[misty mesa]

my sso smersh got shipped lets goooo

[alpine wasp]

i waanna see what that looks like under ir

[misty mesa]

bad

its russian

but it looks fucking sick and its for a kit

[sand rover]

You need to change socks more

That's probably about it

Take out the insoles during breaks/overnight to give them air so they dry out faster

[pulsar tusk]

Doesnt anything have a low IR signature if you dont use detergent and use dish soap

[snow scarab]

no. differing materials splash way more

[pulsar tusk]

Honestly ill just throw on some woodland and call it a day

Im not too worried about my ir signature considering id be running flashlights

[snow scarab]

unironically one of the worst camos for ir splash if it’s old m81 lol

[pulsar tusk]

Whats a good camo

I have some abu and ocp stuff

I have strichtarn too lmao

I have a DPM dutch tunic that i wear to the range aswell

Otherwise thats all i got camo wise

None of those camos match NJ forests so its tough

Id end up just wearing basic olive drab

[snow scarab]

the hot weather OCPs are good at it, most crye products are pretty good, others too. NIR compliant is the term

[pulsar tusk]

Alright good to know

[sand rover]

too bad ocp also sucks

[granite tartan]

What….

[sand rover]

wait, hold on

I got my camo mixed up

I apologize

[granite tartan]

You’re thinking of ucp

[sand rover]

yes I am

for functional purposes, do multicam and ocp function about the same?

[granite tartan]

Yes

There is tiny differences w

But nothing crazy

[sand rover]

I thought as much

[compact dagger]

well i change them once a day, at least before Lowas it was enough

[sand rover]

with boots that don't breath well you should be changing socks every big rest

[stuck hazel]

Multicam. If you’re after matériels then any big NATO SOF supplier

Crye, LBT, the rest

[simple lodge]

hello

[desert solstice]

good budget chest rig?

[twilit cape]

You could do a type 81 or the pattern 83 or 84

[stuck hazel]

BFG ten speed chest rig

[stuck hazel]

ANTONOV

[twilit cape]

I really want the pattern 84 but I wanna wait till they have a od green version

[sand rover]

micro rig or what?

[storm peak]

@snow scarab I feel as you might appreciate this most recent cop of mine. Surplus helm is dirty unsafe but like a whole band off msrp

[snow scarab]

oh hell yeah

[plush topaz]

Unsafe?

[storm peak]

Can't verify how intact used helmets are, it's like buying a used motorcycle helmet from ebay

You dunno if it's been in a wreck or not... you know

[plush topaz]

I guess so.

Beauty thing with eBay is, you can always return it!

[pulsar tusk]

Bros acting like some old helmet is gonna run out of bulletproofness

All im saying is i dont wanna spend a grand on a helmet and if SHTF im not patrolling the streets, so a pasgt will be good enough for me

[snow scarab]

ACH. kevlar can get loose

[plush topaz]

And water logged. Cracked.....

Many things can go wrong

[snow scarab]

yeah

ACH is way more sealed and pretty cheap still

[stuck hazel]

these ones the correct size?

[plush topaz]

The small ones. Like they fit but they're a touch tight

I'm worried I go a size up and they'll be too big. Bah

[stuck hazel]

if they fit then they fit

if waist is an issue then that's solvable

[plush topaz]

Lose weight

[stuck hazel]

bingo

[plush topaz]

I hate you

[stuck hazel]

At least im right

small price to pay

[plush topaz]

In surprised they used a rinky dink fly zipper

Like it's the same one you'd find on a pair of levis

[stuck hazel]

yeah its true

idk why they went with that

their civi shit has their own home brand zippers

but not leaf

[plush topaz]

Like it's a ykk standard

But still

[plush topaz]

Civi zippers are plastic tho no?

Leaf Shirts and jackets have plastic zippers. Maybe they were concerned about burning molten plastic in the sensitive areas 😂

[timber fog]

Can try and get them altered

[pulsar tusk]

I thought only woven kevlar can not solid kevlar like helmets

Either way it’s minimal change most of the time

[timber fog]

Either way I’d rather size up and deal with excess waist than have tightness anywhere else on my legs personally

[plush topaz]

@timber fog the legs are fine. It's just the waist

I'm a bit torn. I can return and exchange no problem

[timber fog]

Ah, damn

If it were up to me I’d still size up

Unless you plan on shedding any winter weight after all

[snow scarab]

doesn’t matter. spend a little more on an ACH

more modern materials too

[plush topaz]

Yeah you're probably right

[stuck hazel]

The external zipper covers are plastic

I’ve got no idea tbh

I don’t own any arc civi pants

I need to nab some tho to expand the collection

[plush topaz]

My leaf cold wx jacket zipper pull is metal. The zips are plastic

[stuck hazel]

That’s what I meant

My bad

First civi example I walked past is my fleece and idk whether this is metal or plastic

Arcy is very inconsistent apparently

[misty mango]

bite it

find out

[plush topaz]

That's plastic

Painting metal zippers doesn't usually work well

[pulsar tusk]

$300 compared to $35

Im 18 bro i dont have a trillion dollars right now

[plush topaz]

Why you set the bar so high damn smh

[snow scarab]

35 dollars is a sketch ass price for a PASGT

[pulsar tusk]

I just spent $3k on guns i have priorities

[pulsar tusk]

Its a legit one trust

[snow scarab]

also you can find ACHs at surplus stores for like 125

[pulsar tusk]

No airsoft

[plush topaz]

Respect to you for yearning to make trillions

[snow scarab]

don’t use a helmet older than you dude lol

[pulsar tusk]

If i could find one under $200 id buy 2

[misty mango]

waterlogged PASGT🙏

[stuck hazel]

Yeah it’s been around many a year so for it to be metal and not worn would be very impressive

[pulsar tusk]

I bought it from a korean dude he had 2 for $35 he just didnt know what he was sellign

[stuck hazel]

Pretty sure my really really old jacket has metal zippers

[plush topaz]

I'm gonna return the pants. Give in to the fatness

Taking the L

For large

[misty mango]

[pulsar tusk]

I collect surplus so its dual purpose

[stuck hazel]

L moment

[pulsar tusk]

Its last line of defense imo im planning on getting real gear but i am not at a financial standpoint to do such

[misty mango]

if SHTF just dont wear a helmet lmao

rock a cap or boonie

[pulsar tusk]

For real

[misty mango]

juist superior

and you dont get another thing to carry

[pulsar tusk]

Im not fuckin like going out if shtf

[misty mango]

only time it would be useful is arty or possibly door kicking

[pulsar tusk]

Spend more on food reserve less tacticool

[stuck hazel]

@plush topaz they’ve been doing plastic zippers for the last 20 years apparently

[plush topaz]

Yeah and there's nothing wrong with that. They're great zippers. Never had an issue.

But seeing the basic bitch metal one

On like 500$ pants

[stuck hazel]

Agreed, maybe just because it’s a more high use area?

Well it’s not

[plush topaz]

I'm gonna go full Karen

[stuck hazel]

Idk

[plush topaz]

First world problems

[stuck hazel]

Truly

I’m gonna refrain from complaining

[plush topaz]

Leaf gonna blacklist me

[stuck hazel]

I’m simply very very happy with the price I got them for

[snow scarab]

gross

[stuck hazel]

Already have if you’re not mil

[pulsar tusk]

Bro hates militaria collecting

You are a larper

[plush topaz]

Ya they gonna find out I buy their shit via proxy lol

[snow scarab]

i hate that vest

[snow scarab]

and i’m literally army lmfao

[pulsar tusk]

Yeah its pointless for real protection but its cool to have

[stuck hazel]

Truly is the strat

[pulsar tusk]

A paid larper

[plush topaz]

[stuck hazel]

Probably gonna grab a cold WX that way

[plush topaz]

It's been my every day winter coat for like 4 years

It's great to anything until - 3C or so

Then you either gotta layer or I use my down coat

It ain't even waterproof but holds up well since it's synthetic insulation

[stuck hazel]

Good until -3 with no layers?

[plush topaz]

Yes

[stuck hazel]

Is this the atom cold WX?

[stuck hazel]

Damn that’s impressive

[plush topaz]

-3C Not F

[snow scarab]

not as impressive

[plush topaz]

Not atom. Cold wx hoody lt

Which is just a leaf atom basically.

My understanding anyway

[stuck hazel]

Oh shit

Is that the same as the $1000 one?

[plush topaz]

No. It's pretty cheap. Like $400 US?

[stuck hazel]

Yeah

Im I’m about the SV

[plush topaz]

So I'm prolly mixing them up as usual lol

[stuck hazel]

SV is 1.1k USD

[plush topaz]

True.

[stuck hazel]

Does not get drippier imo

I’ve got limited info on it

[plush topaz]

Atom AR then.

@stuck hazel the cold wx comes in sv

So that'd be the equivalent of the atom sv

[stuck hazel]

It’s lt and sv yeah

[plush topaz]

Ya

Much more insulation I guess

[stuck hazel]

I think the sv acts more as a coat as opposed to an insulating layer

[plush topaz]

But heavier and bulkier

[stuck hazel]

Yeah

Basically

I love the layering system and that’s what I’ve been doing forever

But if I’m gonna get a coat coat then

May as well

I’ve been getting cold even with 4/5 layers so that’s where my logic for needing it comes in

[desert solstice]

I ordered a 5.11 tactec plate carrier, should be a decent starter rig

[snow scarab]

not at all

cancel it if you can

it’s fucking terrible

[desert solstice]

Really?

[desert solstice]

This one?

[snow scarab]

yes

it’s absolute garbage

[desert solstice]

Damn

[snow scarab]

and for the same price you can get a JPC and it’ll be much better

[desert solstice]

Link?

Nvm i think i found it

[stuck hazel]

No

[stuck hazel]

Check eBay for a used Crye JPC and you can get one for half the price, meaning you can spend the rest on some nice pouches to boot

[desert solstice]

Sounds good

Idk how to cancel my order lmfao

You can only check the status

[snow scarab]

call the company

[desert solstice]

Can you recommend some plates to go with the jpc?

[snow scarab]

budget?

[desert solstice]

Preferably less than $220

[snow scarab]

per plate?

cause that’s not gonna get much, but i can recommend some for 220 per plate

[desert solstice]

I’m not sure, I’m new to all this

I kinda just want one plate to start

Maybe 2 🤔

[snow scarab]

https://www.apexarmorsolutions.com/product-page/two-highcom-guardian-4sas7-single-or-multi-curve-level-4-shooters-cut-plates

[snow scarab]

you want 2

you can’t just wear one plate

those will be amazing

[desert solstice]

Awesom#e thank you

[snow scarab]

he said he’s brand new so i’ll give him a little slack

he’s going off of what’s popular in games and shit most likely

you’re also old and wise

[desert solstice]

I have a lot of friends who buy stuff from 5.11 so I thought the brand would be decent

[snow scarab]

their pants are kind of decent

everything else is pretty ass

[desert solstice]

Noted

Buncha hoes

[snow scarab]

then just return it once you get it

[desert solstice]

Yea

That jpc looks so cool

I might buy my army buddies helmet when he goes back to the border

[snow scarab]

he going in october?

[desert solstice]

August I believe

Not 100% sure

[snow scarab]

dms real quick

[empty sorrel]

Decent, but unimpressive weight

[snow scarab]

lightest plates in his price range and it’s multi curve

[empty sorrel]

Valid point

Not everybody can justify the $3,000 set of 5 lb level 4 plates

[snow scarab]

actually got a question regarding ESAPIs for you

you know how much ESAPI rev H weighs?

mediums obviously

[empty sorrel]

One second, I might have actually had one of those before let me check my documents

5lb 4.5 oz

[snow scarab]

for rev H?

god damn

getting a pair for 650 shipped lol

[empty sorrel]

Good price, while back I snagged two sets $450 each

Resold them

[snow scarab]

or i can get rev J for 850 shipped

[empty sorrel]

Same guy I got the 28595 from

[empty sorrel]

From age today there is little to no improvement

[snow scarab]

ah ok

[empty sorrel]

*h to j

If I recall, notable improvements happened at D and G

At best, they are an ounce or two lighter

Now if they were the new Gen 3 esapis, that'll be a good price

[snow scarab]

aight

thanks

[empty sorrel]

But you probably won't see those, as they are still being introduced

Only higher end units have even been fielding them yet

@snow scarab What helmet have you got

[snow scarab]

nothing yet

might buy an ACH off this guy later

[empty sorrel]

💀

[snow scarab]

wait do you mean issued?

[empty sorrel]

ACH going rate is 250-350

Well, at least that's a fair price range

ECHs are 350 to 450

IHPS is 900 to 1300

[snow scarab]

i have tactically acquired stuff for the ACH so i can fit it with everything

fuck the IHPS

[empty sorrel]

I got that low cut

[misty mango]

that bitch tall goddamn

[ancient grail]

:3

[empty sorrel]

i kinda do wish i coulda got the square cut

[ancient grail]

I want more of their helmets

[empty sorrel]

also it may just be the visor distorting things, but yours looks thicker

[ancient grail]

It's like an addiction

[empty sorrel]

how thick is it?

[ancient grail]

No idealol

[empty sorrel]

can ya grab another pic

[ancient grail]

Got it through a trade and now just sits on the shelf🫡

[empty sorrel]

Ive got a guy in france that gets them occasionally

[ancient grail]

I want to snag them directly ulbricht

[empty sorrel]

dont think they sell to civs

net alone exporting

[ancient grail]

They sell to military

And im using that to my advantage

[empty sorrel]

fair enough

let me know if you can get the new optimo helmet

the rifle rated one

[karmic musk]

got me a chekky very happy

[twin creek]

Sir

This is irl-gear

[sand rover]

So my lvl 4 ceramic plates came in the other day, and immediately upon looking at my real budget purchase my pops seems to regret his previous decision to buy a spartan swimmer's cut ar500 set and carrier

Question is, what'd be the best thing to do with that carrier and set of steel plates?

[snow scarab]

use it for target practice if you can. or use it for weight training

show him how 5.56 would have doomed him lol

[sand rover]

Well he still spent a decent bit of cash on them

They're lvl 3+

At least that's what it says

[snow scarab]

https://www.spartanarmorsystems.com/ar550-body-armor-swimmers-cut-set-of-two/ these ones?

[misty mango]

inshallah you melt it down

[misty mango]

mfw the bottom corners of my platebag are empty causing floppy fabric

[snow scarab]

ong

[plush topaz]

Do you know what inshallah means

[misty mango]

yes

i use it because funny muslim language

not because of its meaning

i aint got no ill intent using it

[plush topaz]

Well it'd make sense if you said it like, "God willing you'll melt down those piece of shit plates"

[misty mango]

let me rephrase then

[upbeat jackal]

hello I'm a scav, I found a dead PMC got his loot...L rip bozo

[misty mango]

what devils

[upbeat jackal]

Opachi

[plush topaz]

Interesting rifle sling

[upbeat jackal]

oh yeah its funny I got it from my grandpa and hell I know how to regulate it...so it ended up being like this

[stuck hazel]

Average Poland L

[upbeat jackal]

oi mate bri'ish ☕

[snow scarab]

even worse

[upbeat jackal]

no not me

him

but yes indeed I'm pole 🤮

[stuck hazel]

In what world

Today I learnt America has worse knife crime per capita than we do

The more you know

[coarse laurel]

because the stats doesnt count potato peelers

[stuck hazel]

This is true

[coarse laurel]

and forks

[stuck hazel]

Tea spoons

[coarse laurel]

imagine getting shanked with a spork on the streets of london

[stuck hazel]

Shit happens