irl-weapons

[round sentinel]

yeah

when you have like 3in of expansion on a HP slug

very very diff story

[lone moss]

Even .700 nitro can’t be pushed to the limits of what those cases can do

[round sentinel]

700 is only like

10k ft lbs max

"only"

[lone moss]

Iirc .700 nitro can only be hot rodded around 15k

[round sentinel]

yeah, with bolt guns

or breech

the break actions cant handle them

[lone moss]

Would presume breach for this scenario

Something like a martini action or similar

[round sentinel]

iirc, it was the falling block

No.1 based

[carmine tide]

Id shoot it

[round sentinel]

so one off loadings

[carmine tide]

Either I die and it isn't my problem or it fires successfully

[lone moss]

Yeah pretty much hot rodded hand loads

[round sentinel]

honestly, itll be more shootable than what Im gonna do

those 700's are heavy

35-50 pound

[misty cove]

yeah flesh

[round sentinel]

this 12 is only gonna be 25 ish

[misty cove]

could the wz.35 be fired standing

like

[lone moss]

It’s also about 10x cheaper to do what you are doing

[carmine tide]

Doesnt that mean more felt recoil

[misty cove]

you got a muzzle break and its quite light

[round sentinel]

this

[misty cove]

tbh

[round sentinel]

yeah, hence the entire issue

[misty cove]

why am i even asking if a wz.35 can be fired standing

i saw a vid of a guy shooting ptrs standing

[round sentinel]

nobody knows the max load potential for 12GFH

because nobody can shoot it

[lone moss]

Fuck me i mean literally .700 ammo ready to go is like 75-115$ per round

[carmine tide]

Kentucky shot a 4 bore unsupported

[misty cove]

how bigs a 4 bore

in m

m,

[round sentinel]

our estimate for full pressure 50 cut cases

[carmine tide]

Big

[round sentinel]

8 bucks a pop

[carmine tide]

1in diameter?

[lone moss]

Yeah lmfao peanuts in comparison

[round sentinel]

ayup

you can use off the shelf slugs ffs

[lone moss]

1.05 but yeah

[round sentinel]

if you wanna down load, you can just use 3 1/2 full brass

650's @2000 still

[lone moss]

Yup

[round sentinel]

with the down loads with normal off the shelf cases

shits absurd

thats already at what

[misty cove]

idk 14.5 is also quite big

alot longer i think

[round sentinel]

8k and change foot pounds

[misty cove]

14.5s similar no?

[carmine tide]

No lol

[misty cove]

mayhaps

[round sentinel]

14.5's are a lot longer, but smaller diameter bullet

14.5 should still push more energy

50 for a prime example, commercial ammo out energy performs 700 by a pretty large margin

[carmine tide]

British noblemen were hunting elephant with 4 bore in the 1800s while having sexual relationships with their sherpas

[misty cove]

bro i think a 14.5 that tears thru like 40mm of steel can also kill that

[carmine tide]

Speed vs mass

[scenic jetty]

I need to start making my own slugs

[misty cove]

it also has a bunch of mass

[carmine tide]

4 bore has more mass

[round sentinel]

diameter and diff mass, its a completely different kind of wound channel

penetration vs overall wound

they serve two completely diff purposes

[carmine tide]

I could tank a 4 bore

[misty cove]

https://youtu.be/TsI3fHUOlQM

preety impresive

[unique fjord]

Anything is a ___ if you’re brave enough

[scenic jetty]

I wouldn’t wanna get hit lol

[atomic willow]

nice fruit spread twin

[untold widget]

King

[stuck parcel]

The shit stick has been cleaned

[stuck parcel]

I also have AP for it

[thorny flame]

that is light ball

[unique fjord]

Still a mild steel core but yeah can moderately pen things

[proven hearth]

@timid belfry we got yet another one

[misty cove]

comunist too lol

[golden marlin]

All because the tips painted doesn't mean it's ap

[round sentinel]

[proven badger]

Super ultra rare AP

[unique fjord]

Darn what I miss

[thorny flame]

just more crypto spam

[proven hearth]

What do you mean the PMC 55gr that i dipped into black paint isnt AP?

[round sentinel]

[leaden raptor]

That is not at all how that works

Bro fell for the ATFs light armor piercing nonsense

[unique fjord]

who you?

tell you never shot steel with steel cores before lol

your dog is safe you dont need to coward in the corner

didnt know it was a new idea that bullets can pen things lol

[stuck parcel]

Nah man it’s magnetic

[stuck parcel]

It caught on a magnet accidentally

So it has a core

[golden marlin]

All comblock ammo will stick to magnets

It's got a metal jacket

Literally all will

[stuck parcel]

Didn’t know that

Thanks for telling me

[unique fjord]

there is painted and unpainted mild steel core rounds

plus some former bloc's didnt paint their steel cores

best way to see is shoot a steel plate 10 yards

see the magical sparks

[tall rivet]

the people at the gun show will never know

[leaden raptor]

Yes, but mild steel core ≠ armor piercing lmao

M855 has a mild steel core and its basic ball ammo, the ATF classed it as “light armor piercing” and now idiots like you think steel core = armor piercing

[unique fjord]

bud clearly did not read lol

said they can still pen things never stated ap

so

[leaden raptor]

I just responded to the wrong person and thought you were the one talking about having AP originally 😂

I’m a lil hungover

[slim matrix]

looks like its got a dent in it

[leaden raptor]

55A1 still isn’t necessarily armor piercing but definitely does better against armor

It’s considered standard ball

[unique fjord]

The guy at home she tells you not to worry about

bud thinks a round to needs clear armor to be ap

whom thonk not all ap and not all armor is the same

[misty cove]

is the US still going thru with the xm7

?

[misty cove]

m855 still goes thru nij 3 no?

so thats kinda armor piercing

[round sentinel]

Tip*

855 is comedy

half the bullet is still lead

A1 is remainder copper

both are incredibly mid

praise be to the best steel core/tip 556 projectile, 318's

[misty cove]

are there any brass core bullets

cuz bronze is expensive

[unique fjord]

ive used 855/5a1 and m80a1 all p fun

[round sentinel]

theres plenty of brass bullets yeah

[unique fjord]

855a1 LF is a bit better over normal 855a1 as well

[round sentinel]

they arent cored tho, monolithic

[misty cove]

huh

but theres copper core?

[round sentinel]

yesnt

855A1 is kinda the only one that is

and A1 is considered AP

doing a copper or brass core would fall under AP ironically

[misty cove]

okay so..

they made a brass case

to do a copper core?

pluh

[round sentinel]

no

[misty cove]

al

[misty cove]

wana talk about mediaval armore

[round sentinel]

thats not my forte

Im basically not fluent in it at all

[misty cove]

🥀

[misty cove]

have u ever thought of making like

leg armor

out of kevlar

to stop like 9mm

[blazing temple]

thats what the dick flap is for

its totally not for shrapnel

[misty cove]

yeah but like

full on leg

not just dick

[scenic jetty]

I have a lot of 855 but Its meh

[unique fjord]

855 is fun to make craters in metal

[summer plover]

I got an offer to buy 670 rounds of m855 for 320 bucks, think it's worth it at that price?

[lunar marsh]

855 is decently accurate ammo but it’s not that great for shooting bodies. It’ll work but it’s not consistent

[unique fjord]

bullets are hard to drop some1

pcp dude tankin 9mm like its m&m's

[summer plover]

Ah so just go for some m193 or something?

[unique fjord]

855 is fun but its not youre go to range round

[lunar marsh]

I’ve never shot anyone with 193 so I can’t say how it performs

[summer plover]

This implies you've shot someone

[unique fjord]

ive only used IWI 855

[blazing temple]

Oh boy

Is it time for the near weekly conversation about a member of this channel having actual combat experience

[lunar marsh]

I’ve shot several ppl with 855 and saw even more shot with 855. Like I said it works but it’s not the best

[unique fjord]

mm im pretty sure my range ammo is m193s

me thinks

[summer plover]

Sandbox I'm assuming? Weren't those guys always high on something

[lunar marsh]

I have a couple thousand rounds of 193 for my one 1/12 rifle and a few thousand rounds of 855 for several 1/7 rifles.

[summer plover]

This is probably gonna end up being my first 5.56 rifle, already got a 9mm for range fun

[blazing temple]

Don't

[unique fjord]

ah uh mm

me thinks no

at min buy a somewhat nicer psa rifle at least

fine for a intro rifle and not really worry about it

[lunar marsh]

Never saw any evidence of drug use. 855 is just a hole puncher on soft tissue. If you didn’t hit skeletal structure it typically passed right thru with very little terminal effect. Wasn’t consistent with yaw or fragmentation. They would often bleed out but it wasn’t a couple shots and they were down. Shoot them to the ground

[unique fjord]

at least you are nothinking about a draco as your first lol

855 is just swiss cheese going mach jesus

ive hit gel with it and it does honestly nothing note worthy

[summer plover]

That's their ept trigger package, supposedly pretty good

[summer plover]

Dracos look like shit anyways. If I wanted a 7.62 portable tinnitus generator I'd get a zastava so it actually looks the part of a krink

[unique fjord]

imo id would switch uppers, i dislike the front post gb

but thats my aesthetic styling

[summer plover]

I really enjoy it because I like the 70s-80s era stuff

I have two cz75s and a loose Colt SMG clone

Oh yeah a Ruger Mark III too, because I hate easy disassembly

I got the Ruger for 200 bucks so who gives a shit really

[round sentinel]

draco
tinnitus generator

[unique fjord]

lantec brake

[round sentinel]

ironically 762x39 is p damn solid from the short barrels

and that pressure is whatever

[round sentinel]

makes 9 mm feel annoying

[unique fjord]

i slapped one on my yugo

fire goes click clack

[golden marlin]

the yugos are shorter

[round sentinel]

real

[unique fjord]

psa fanboy obesstion with not using cold forge chrome lines are lame

[round sentinel]

CHF isnt a big deal at all

[unique fjord]

no i have a respectible yugo

not a ghetto blaster

[round sentinel]

chrome lined is a massive deal tho

[golden marlin]

also zastavas tend to use weaker materials

plus

most of the ones out there

[unique fjord]

muh rpk front trunnion

[golden marlin]

dont use chromelined barrels

the yugos never did chromelining till zastava did it for customer request

[summer plover]

Ah yeah no thanks

[golden marlin]

they did nitriding

like id rather get a draco

[unique fjord]

my m70 out of the box is chrome

[golden marlin]

cause its a 12 in build

[unique fjord]

16.3

so

[round sentinel]

its pretty new right

[golden marlin]

yeah they only did that like 3 or 4 years ago

its new

[unique fjord]

2ish -3 yo old by now

[round sentinel]

yeah that tracks then

[golden marlin]

yeah like most yugos are nitrided

and yes

their ammo was corrosive

[unique fjord]

eh fair lol ngl didnt know the older models before zpap wherent chrome

[golden marlin]

yeah its fairly new

[summer plover]

Ngl Magpul could make cash out the ass if they made their ar furniture in the AK plum

[golden marlin]

and zastavas are just kinda mid

[golden marlin]

they have

they do

[summer plover]

Huh, didn't see it on their site

[golden marlin]

oh wait

ar

[round sentinel]

maybe not cash, but yeah it would be nice

[golden marlin]

nevermindd

no

i thought you said ak

[unique fjord]

need border guard green for AR

[golden marlin]

they wouldnt make much for the ar

[round sentinel]

REAL

green bake for ARs when

[golden marlin]

in plum

[round sentinel]

[unique fjord]

why do people fanboy over kns pistons

its cringey af in the ak subreddit lol

[golden marlin]

cause muh overgassing

[round sentinel]

cause they are a useful addition

[golden marlin]

for some guns it does work

like the psl

but

for more well gassed aks it will undergass

[unique fjord]

what is this coke fueled idea

[round sentinel]

trash

[golden marlin]

yep

[unique fjord]

calling this thing a mixtape feels uh a smidge racist lol

[golden marlin]

its psa

so its trash to sell to people

so they think its good

[unique fjord]

no its clearly AAC

7head

[golden marlin]

lmao

[summer plover]

The keltec cocaine reserves were left unguarded

[unique fjord]

at lesat keltec makes weird shit that actual works most of the time

still ngl the psa super sass seems neat stillkinda want one

[round sentinel]

ew

[unique fjord]

or their m110 clone

[golden marlin]

or just dont

and build your own

[summer plover]

I like the H&R retro stuff

[unique fjord]

[round sentinel]

the only okay thing from psa

mostly cause they dont touch the H&R line

[summer plover]

I ❤️ 20in barrels

[round sentinel]

🏳️‍🌈

[golden marlin]

cringe

[atomic willow]

Man of velocity i see

[edgy kestrel]

Why are 20” gay

I love mine😭

[atomic willow]

They hate velo

[round sentinel]

me when theres loadings matching 20in 55gr velocities from carbines

[blazing temple]

Musket profile

[round sentinel]

they just lack relevancy with modern bullets existing

[blazing temple]

I too want to clear rooms with a m16a3

[atomic willow]

Based

Wanna poke em before i shoot

[blazing temple]

But not as much as I want to clear rooms with a m163

[edgy kestrel]

You say that due to smaller rifles hitting same velocity with modern ammo?

[summer plover]

Ngl I never expected m9 bayonets to be that expensive

[unique fjord]

no you get a m1014 for room clearing

[edgy kestrel]

If I load modern spicy rounds into the 20 I get even more velocity

[edgy kestrel]

That’s gosh darn right

[round sentinel]

the M16 required the 20in to make 556 competent on target. Modern ammo vastly outperforms a 55gr from a 20

[misty cove]

why not go even faster then with big barrel

[round sentinel]

that, or loadings that expand/ fragment at long range with even short barrels

[unique fjord]

or a m249 like that clip if a dude just dumping a box into a roomto clear

[round sentinel]

velocity/ energy isnt an end all, the wound channel is

[edgy kestrel]

Touché

[unique fjord]

warmage their ass

[edgy kestrel]

I like my rifle cause it’s a classic

No hate for smol barrels

[round sentinel]

for a DMR/ SPR yeah, absolutely

but thats a special purpose tool

theres just no point for the defacto rifle

[edgy kestrel]

What if I just put a special barrel in it

[atomic willow]

12.5 or 14.5 supremacy

[edgy kestrel]

Than it’s special while looking simple

[round sentinel]

not when you can drop someone at 500 yards with a 10.5 with a modern bullet, with the same wound channel a M16 gets with a 55gr at 100

[misty cove]

thats why u go with 7.62x39

and a longer barrel

[round sentinel]

556 will get better wounding with most the standard military loadings

[edgy kestrel]

So why not take a 20 and just load spicy rounds

[misty cove]

maybe idk

[round sentinel]

we still do, for SPR/ DMR shooting

[edgy kestrel]

Yeah. For sure

[round sentinel]

its just not needed for a general purpose gun

[blazing temple]

For most uses a 20" is just impractical

[summer plover]

Czechnology

[edgy kestrel]

Fair enough

[edgy kestrel]

That’s fair

[unique fjord]

youdont own a cannon loaded with grape for home defense

[edgy kestrel]

I like mine a lot XD

[edgy kestrel]

It’s on the list trust

[round sentinel]

the length is irrelevant for target performance, and the length restricts your maneuverability and storage for normal use

[unique fjord]

cz75 with wood grips fucks hard ngl

[edgy kestrel]

This is true

[round sentinel]

but yeah 20's can def be cool

[edgy kestrel]

Oh fs

[round sentinel]

I fw the A2 a lot still lol

[edgy kestrel]

I love the 14.5s too

[misty cove]

bro spray painted the grip

[round sentinel]

🤝

Im of the opinion that the 14.5 is the best do all length

she just does everything well

[edgy kestrel]

🤝 🍺🗿

[misty cove]

16 inch beter

[summer plover]

It's weird g10 grips I got from the last guy, I am gonna order the cowboy bebop ones

[golden marlin]

This is getting a coat of paint

[round sentinel]

its really not

[golden marlin]

12.5 best length

[edgy kestrel]

Silly polish man

[round sentinel]

the velocity is almost the same, and you get more volatile gassing

[edgy kestrel]

2” supremacy

[round sentinel]

ironically

[unique fjord]

does that hurt the floor

[misty cove]

3 inch obv best

[golden marlin]

Sure

[unique fjord]

dam i feel bad for that floor

[spare meteor]

It's average 🤷🍻

[golden marlin]

It's cement

[summer plover]

Ngl though what is up with PSA cranking their barrel nuts on like they're torquing the earth together

[golden marlin]

cause psa is dogshit

they hire people off the streets who have zero experience

[unique fjord]

they have a lifetime warranty for a reason

[golden marlin]

thats also if they actually will cover it

[misty cove]

imagine obrez svt

[true mist]

thats more than anyone needs, 3 inches is HUGE

[summer plover]

I've since removed the worst red dot sight known to man and put the colt style irons on

[true mist]

ive heard the 3 inch ones hurt

[summer plover]

That Walther MRS knockoff is how I figured out I have an astigmatism

[true mist]

nice

[golden marlin]

dont base your eyes off that

shitty red dots can give that appearance

[summer plover]

Nah I've looked at actually good red dots and it's the same

[golden marlin]

have you tried a aimpoint?

[true mist]

yeah i realized i have an astigmatism when i looked through my dads romeo5 and it was a nasty starburst

[unique fjord]

try a gold dot

[summer plover]

Nah the one I tried was a sigger

[golden marlin]

try a aimpoint

again those cheaper dots

[true mist]

the budget sig dots arent great for people with astigmatisms

[golden marlin]

will make it appear that you have a astigmatism

[unique fjord]

fr tho gold is actually p nice to use with shit eyes like i have

[true mist]

my holosun EPS is quite a bit better and pretty clean unless i really crank it, but i can still get usable brightness without any starbursting

but cheaper dots are horrible to use for me

[golden marlin]

they are horrible for most people

i thought the same till i tried a much nicer dot

[atomic willow]

I bought this same pcc from psa couldn’t feed more than 2 rounds without jamming my ammo into the steel wall of a feed lip which there is none

[true mist]

lol

[atomic willow]

Px9 is straight dog shit the lowers okay but still ass

[summer plover]

Huh, I put 1000 rounds through so far

[atomic willow]

Mine was ass

[true mist]

yeah i have not had good experience with anything pre-built by PSA

[atomic willow]

Paperweight fr

Had too build a aero pcc instead

[golden marlin]

i prefer to just built my own

[atomic willow]

Yes im still poor

[golden marlin]

you can actually just pick the parts out and fit it to your needs

[atomic willow]

This one right here

[summer plover]

I mean at least it isn't Radical or BCA

[true mist]

yeah my lower on my DDM4 upper is mostly PSA parts

[atomic willow]

Real could never be that poor

[golden marlin]

be your own warranty department

psa wont fix your shit

lmao

[atomic willow]

Im slow tho i got a g$ upper on the psa sabre lower

Needa fix that asap

[true mist]

trigger, buffer tube+spring, furniture is other brands, but the rest of my lower was built with PSA parts and its been perfectly suitable for my needs

little bit of receiver slop but not enough that i care

[atomic willow]

Yep i changed everything in it just the lower Itself says psa

[true mist]

yeah makes sense

[atomic willow]

Trigger that it came with is okay thats still in there for now

Need them g$ triggers go on blem sale again

[summer plover]

I like the look of those wmd nickel boron receivers but really the only thing I'd do with em is make a ST-AR15 clone from GFL

[golden marlin]

Ew gfl

[true mist]

i like my MBT-2S, does the job

[summer plover]

Have you seen my pfp lmao

[golden marlin]

No

[atomic willow]

Thats the other trigger i was thinking of mbt or ssax

[summer plover]

Lol/lmao, I don't keep the keychain on the rifle though

[atomic willow]

Wat is a good single stage?!

[golden marlin]

Arms best rail

[true mist]

yeah id say those are both good for the money, especially on black friday sales or similar, just pick whatever you prefer if you have a chance to try out different triggers

im not a picky person when it comes to triggers though

[atomic willow]

Never used a good trigger tbh so couldn’t say what i like 😂

Best trigger i have rn is a drop in cmc

[floral veldt]

I've defintely seen that RO chain sold in person before

[true mist]

my buddy has a geissele SSP flat trigger that he really likes, for the money its pretty good especially since it goes on discount pretty decently

i prefer 2 stage triggers generally but it really is just personal preference

[true mist]

when i was a kid i did olympic-style air rifle so ive dicked around with some okay triggers, i really do think theres nothing wrong with just a nice trigger thats basically just milspec

if it does the trigger thing and doesnt fail you, thats pretty aight

ik theres a lot of opinions though and def people with more experience than me

but for my stuff im running an MBT on my rifle, GPT on my carry, and the stock triggers on my CZ and ZPAP M70

[atomic willow]

Word word i love my single stage it’s currently in a 308 tho 😂 so i be going broke in the range mag dumping with it

[true mist]

haha yeah

[atomic willow]

Ill have too take a look at this havent tried a flat face yet been thinking about grabbing one

[summer plover]

I bought it from Kayozia off etsy

[true mist]

i prefer flat faced triggers but it also barely makes a difference IMO

[atomic willow]

Ive been seeing like the combat curve triggers or whatever they are called too they look quite neat

[floral veldt]

Ah yeah that'd do it, I've seen them in Artist Alley booths

[summer plover]

Seriously good quality though ngl

[floral veldt]

[summer plover]

They even sent me some random ass anime girl I have no clue who she is

[floral veldt]

Maybe an OC freebie

[true mist]

is it a company mascot?

[summer plover]

But anyways, someone listed a Windham dissipator for 500 bucks on tacswap and that seems way too good to be true

[true mist]

ive bought a couple sets of IEMs that came with stickers/boxes with the companies mascot on it

[summer plover]

Probably, the keyring style is different too

Hitting a solid hmmmm

[golden marlin]

Who's ready for

500 dollar 320 37mm

[summer plover]

Hitting my asshole neighbors Ford bronco with chalk rounds

[floral veldt]

Based

[golden marlin]

i plan to snag one cause then it gives me a reason to get iwa concussions

[lone moss]

I’m gonna grab one as well

[summer plover]

They got a shitbull that they just leave outside to bark all day

[lone moss]

Will try to convert with a launcherpope 40mm barrel

[golden marlin]

Imma toss it on the acr

For 1 man army build

[summer plover]

Ngl a handheld launcher that just yeets the fuck out of tennis balls would be great for my dog

[scenic jetty]

I feel like you could get it cheaper

[summer plover]

After reading the chats recommendations I'm just gonna go for m193

[scenic jetty]

The scope does look good on this

[scenic jetty]

It’s a lot cheaper

[golden marlin]

i did paint the covers now

but i plan to mount the new eotech red dot on it

[summer plover]

Wow this looks uglier than fuck

[golden marlin]

they are pretty neat unironically

[summer plover]

If I got shot by that I would expect an apology from the shooter

[scenic jetty]

How are they I heard they are not very durable

[golden marlin]

so the original eflex

wasnt that durable now they are pretty decent

but the new one

is fully enclosed

[scenic jetty]

Oh that’s nice

Also my 870 is almost done

[scenic jetty]

Just need a light on it

[golden marlin]

new eflex

[scenic jetty]

Oh I kinda dig it

[spare meteor]

Someone made a super shorty DTM actually!

[misty cove]

wot

vro

[scenic jetty]

@round sentinel you gonna be up towards the dakotas at all ?

[golden marlin]

same

[spare meteor]

I can't find the picture Damn it

[round sentinel]

Im trying to move back up north later this year yeah

Wouldnt mind ND or back to MT

[misty cove]

ima go sleep fuckin hell

[scenic jetty]

Both are good choices honestly

[round sentinel]

yuh

Id prefer going back to MT cause the mountains and stuff Oliwia and I wanna do

but we both love ND as well

[lunar marsh]

Yes. 14.5 is the sweet spot for velocity and maneuverability imo

[round sentinel]

🤝

[lunar marsh]

Until you add 2 pounds and 5 inches to the business end lol

[round sentinel]

🙏

[slate bramble]

spear :p

[unique fjord]

spoor

too badnot the cool spoor thoi

[scenic jetty]

im loving it alot

i can do most things now

[scenic jetty]

my main squeeze is a 14.5

[round sentinel]

no such thing

[round sentinel]

based 🙏

[unique fjord]

chads 556

[lunar marsh]

They can keep that POS. Horrible choice to replace the M4

[jaunty crane]

if it was up to me I would’ve adopted the FN IWS
even though it wasn’t in NGSW

[round sentinel]

👆

I need one

[unique fjord]

Should’ve adopted the 556 spear

[scenic jetty]

yep !

[round sentinel]

fuck no

that thing is just as much a pos

[unique fjord]

[round sentinel]

you arent everyone

most people hate the damn things

[carmine tide]

zoomer m14

thats all it is

[round sentinel]

nah see, the M14 was actually good

this is dumb and bad

[tall rivet]

absolutely not

[round sentinel]

let me guess, you like Rhodesia

[tall rivet]

what the fuck is Rhodesia

[carmine tide]

you dont have to be based to hate the m14

jesus fucking christ

the fuck are they teaching kids these days

[round sentinel]

nah its always the fal guys

which also have the shitty african love

[tall rivet]

????

so because I don't like the M14, I'm a FAL guy somehow?

[round sentinel]

and why dont you like the M14 then

its usually the FAL guys who are so vocal about the M14

[carmine tide]

ive ranted for god knows how many hours why i dislike the m14

dont make me repeat it please

[round sentinel]

and your opinions are usually moot

[carmine tide]

theyre ligitimately reported issues that didnt just happen in vietnam

[proven badger]

Fal is more based

[round sentinel]

vietnam kicked every guns ass

even the ARs

[carmine tide]

correct, however the m14s issues happened in places other than nam

[round sentinel]

mix that with all the ammo manufacturer faults, wartime firearm manufacturing QC and army related stupidity

[round sentinel]

and what 'issues' would that be

cause it aint the open action complaint

[carmine tide]

accuracy, weight, fit and finish over the course of 50 years of tech improvement, feeding issues

the "best" version of the m14 was the EBR and it was what

14lbs?

unloaded

[round sentinel]

still out shot all the other 308's of the time

the EBR was a heavier barrel DMR and it was 16 configured

thats on the light side

[tall rivet]

have you ever shot one

[round sentinel]

the M110 can hit 30

[trim lava]

i like the m14 because it was the rifle i used in black ops 1 when i was little

[round sentinel]

yeah, plenty

they shoot great

[carmine tide]

can

the ebr IS heavy

not CAN be heavy

[round sentinel]

actually, no

the EBR is one of the lighter DMRs

[carmine tide]

its also one of the more inaccurate dmrs

[round sentinel]

depends actually

its no M110 but

1-1.5moa is still on point with most

[carmine tide]

try 2-4

[round sentinel]

its not that lol

thats a wood stock

[carmine tide]

1-1.5moa with a m1a/m14 is being lucky

[tall rivet]

lmao, the wood stock

sure, thats making it 1-3 MOA less accurate, sure

[round sentinel]

thats the entire big deal with the chassis is that it bypasses the bedding and wear issues of the wood and synthetic stocks

[true mist]

honestly 2 moa seems very optimistic out of an M14

[round sentinel]

its not, 2moa is very easy to hit with it

the rotating bolt and light piston mass is very nice to accurize

its the bedding of the stock thats the killer

[carmine tide]

even the psg1 outperformed it

[round sentinel]

it was also 20 years newer, with a very different design

[unique fjord]

Be real and get a bm59 instead

[carmine tide]

similar system, an accurized battle rifle

[carmine tide]

the ebr design was early 2000s

the psg1 was 85

[round sentinel]

the PSG/MSG are very interesting if you look at the massive amounts of internal design changes

[round sentinel]

yeah tho the action wasnt changed

the PSG is very diff inside

[carmine tide]

it still isnt 20 years newer

[scenic jetty]

ill take the fal and m14 over the g3 though

[carmine tide]

its 20 years older

[round sentinel]

in terms of accuracy understanding, absolutely was

[carmine tide]

bad take

[round sentinel]

depends on usecase, for something DMR related, EBR any day

[carmine tide]

the g3 is arguably the best battle rifle, i dont consider the ar10 a battle rifle unless its in like a 13" config

[round sentinel]

but as a BR, the G3 absolutely

[unique fjord]

Fal-g3-m14

[carmine tide]

i like the look of the fal more than the g3 but mechanically the g3 is better

[round sentinel]

the fal was an all round pos

sexy rifles

just dogshit mechanically

[scenic jetty]

if i had to take a marksman style m14 id take it in just a plastic style body with a nice scope and suppressor

[unique fjord]

Fal seems quicker to operate in an oh fuck moment

[round sentinel]

god I really would not mind one in the nice poly chassis from whats their name

MDT owns them now

[carmine tide]

if i had to use an m14 for accuracy id just turn the rifle on myself

[round sentinel]

thats true, but thats assuming it actually runs in said moment

which, they are notorious for shitty field reliability

[carmine tide]

theres 60 year old fals in africa still working

[scenic jetty]

i have a fal and very much enjoy shooting it, i do like the m14 and g3 but i prefer the fal and always wanted one

[round sentinel]

once again proving how moot your opinions are

did your unit make you touch a M14 and make you cry

[carmine tide]

they arent even my points the m14 was a failure

[round sentinel]

clearly you dont understand that rifle then

because it sure as hell wasnt

[carmine tide]

all the issues i state were actual issues reported

[unique fjord]

M14 with switch seems fun tho ngl

[round sentinel]

'all the issues I state'

named none

gotta love confix

[carmine tide]

are you high

[scenic jetty]

@round sentinel if i had to take a m14 id do something like this

[round sentinel]

real. Really controllable ones too

[round sentinel]

E2's are def super cool

[carmine tide]

more controllable than a scar

[round sentinel]

and you can still get the stocks easy

and the VFG parts that they are supposed to have

[unique fjord]

M14 is dope but also at its introduction it was already years outdated

[proven hearth]

Aimsurp had a dealer sample e2 for sale for 25k

[unique fjord]

Some kid with an ak was just better

[proven hearth]

Very reasonable price tbh

[carmine tide]

the italians designed a better rifle than the m14

[proven hearth]

In comparison to other autos at least

[round sentinel]

tbf, it made perfect sense as we were in a transitional phase to assault rifles

[carmine tide]

the dod also killed the em2

[unique fjord]

Bm59 it’s great since it used m1 grands

[carmine tide]

the only cool bullpup ever made

[round sentinel]

the EM2 was also super brittle and unproven

cool, but it was completely ditched mechanically for reasons

[unique fjord]

Ain’t that some Brit crack dream rifle

[round sentinel]

precursor to the SA80

yeah

[carmine tide]

so is @proven hearth sex life your point

[unique fjord]

That looked like pure Bakelite lol

[round sentinel]

EM2 became the XL60 to the SA80

[carmine tide]

gorgeous

[round sentinel]

oh yeah they are super pretty

[round sentinel]

LMAO

[proven hearth]

No way this fatass is talking shit about sex life when he cant even see his own wiener

[unique fjord]

Famas g2>

[scenic jetty]

i also like something like this as well,would suppress though

[astral thorn]

chud vs foid argument in the weapons channel

[round sentinel]

I will absolutely concede the BM59 or a similar config wouldve been a better bet

where we couldve p much just directly used a majority of the same tooling

[proven hearth]

Confix want my dicpics confirmed

[carmine tide]

idk what youre talking about

[round sentinel]

EBR :)

[proven hearth]

[round sentinel]

sage chassis or bust

[scenic jetty]

that would be cool but from what i saw its a bitch to put together as well

[carmine tide]

i also decided to not be stupid and im going with an eotech instead of a trijicon srs

[round sentinel]

nah, they aint

just money

[proven hearth]

Me trying to convince my buddy who has an m1a to buy a sage so when he inevitably gets bored of it again I can buy it off him

[round sentinel]

LOL

[carmine tide]

or you could buy a good 308 battle rifle

[round sentinel]

confix moment

[carmine tide]

like a g3 or ar10

or a 417

[round sentinel]

417

good

[carmine tide]

spend 5 grand on a proprietary rifle

[proven hearth]

Get the fuck out of my face with your hk recommendations

[round sentinel]

you are 0 for like

[proven hearth]

[carmine tide]

that doesnt work with ar10 mags

[round sentinel]

8 by this point

[scenic jetty]

i already have an ar10

[carmine tide]

i couldnt more clearly be joking

[unique fjord]

Enfield clearly best battle rifle

[round sentinel]

its you, you make absolute bait takes seem mild

[proven hearth]

Ar15>anything else

[carmine tide]

bc im good at my job

[round sentinel]

being stupid isnt a job

[carmine tide]

i can argue that microwaves use water particles to cook food and someone would believe it

[unique fjord]

That’s a feature

[round sentinel]

kek

[carmine tide]

politicians

dmv employees

italians

[round sentinel]

yknow, real actually

I take that back then

[unique fjord]

Did bud just admit they don’t know how a microwave works

[proven hearth]

Its been so cold out recently I saw a politician with his hands in his own pockets

[carmine tide]

it vibrates the molecules in the food to heat it up

not the water

the water cooks off usually which is why microwaved food is dry and bland

[unique fjord]

If you want a M1a go Bula

[round sentinel]

Im gonna rock a 12 gauge as a main rifle inshallah

[scenic jetty]

lol

[unique fjord]

Me with a broken shotgun under the bed ):

[carmine tide]

im going to get my ashes turned into stones and i want those stones used in your beating for this sentence

[proven hearth]

If i buy an m1a im going to buddy my buddies for pennies on the dollar lol

I couldn't give a shit less if its a modern springfield

[round sentinel]

remember the AP 12 gauge convo

:)

[unique fjord]

Who ever finds me a mp153 stock gets a cookie

[carmine tide]

put it in the aug shotgun

[round sentinel]

kek, itll detonate fuckin almost any shotgun

[carmine tide]

i like chocolate chip

[proven hearth]

Anyways. I eep now. Have a good evening lady and gentlemen.

[round sentinel]

theres a reason theres only been 2 models theyve used for these conversions

[carmine tide]

coward

[round sentinel]

yee gn honder

[unique fjord]

Should’ve gotten this over a car

[round sentinel]

LOL no

[carmine tide]

why

[round sentinel]

get a 240

[carmine tide]

theres no frts

[tall rivet]

there's an FRT coming for it

[round sentinel]

^

[unique fjord]

Joke

Yall

Ffs

[round sentinel]

theres one coming for a 240 and 249 both

[carmine tide]

we dont do that here

[round sentinel]

shits cool

[round sentinel]

wood

I need it

[unique fjord]

[carmine tide]

isnt the actual fn one 10k

or is that the scar

249*

[unique fjord]

Ayo the squad can get cancer now

[scenic jetty]

cant it take normal stocks or na

[carmine tide]

just get a mira mask

wait is mira owned by jews

lemme check

[scenic jetty]

lmao

[carmine tide]

wait they dont even make em

they just dropship them from russia

[unique fjord]

Yeah either a wood or a poly adapter works. Everything i find is oos

[carmine tide]

make a custom stock

learn woodworking

[unique fjord]

I could buy a poly stock and forend but that’s 400$ lol

That’s more i paid for it but uh got my money back lol

That sketchy ass Turkish company that sells poly parts won’t sell single pieces

And the one site that does never has any

[scenic jetty]

oof that kinda sucks

[unique fjord]

Like I could fix it

lazy

[scenic jetty]

oof, yea my mp153 came with the plastic stock

[carmine tide]

is that why you wont build a custom one

is it even a good shotgun

[unique fjord]

Shit tier seller never reach out to me over it so fucked him over with chargeback fees

Yeah they are p solid.

Used my friends for bit and got my own

[carmine tide]

i guess its hard to fuck up a pump action (psa will make me eat my words)

[unique fjord]

They are basically the same as the Remington something something shotgun

It’s semi

[carmine tide]

870

oh i thought you said 133

[unique fjord]

The 153 is the same as the Remington spr453

Copy my homework but don’t get caught

Remmy copied it for the us market

[carmine tide]

do i buy a light for my usp or a mp5 rail

[unique fjord]

Both

Credit card debt is temporary

[carmine tide]

i am not a rich man

i just got out of debt man

[scenic jetty]

i also have a 870

[carmine tide]

im probably gonna get an a300

way down the line tho

[scenic jetty]

arent those the ones thats just below the berretas

[unique fjord]

I’d want to us but noo can’t have nice things

[carmine tide]

it is a beretta

[unique fjord]

A300 is beretta

Ultima patrol >

[scenic jetty]

oh

[carmine tide]

the 1301 is the m4 competitor (its better)

[scenic jetty]

oh those are not bad price wise

[carmine tide]

its prob the best sub 1k combat shotgun

[scenic jetty]

if i got another semi auto id get that one

[carmine tide]

theyre very smooth

[unique fjord]

): i cry

[carmine tide]

shouldve done setup sooner in the wipe bozo

ill be taking a bath with a toaster for that joke

im sorry

[unique fjord]

[proven badger]

Wait, do these actually give cancer

I've worn one of these for a few hours

[carmine tide]

The filters are asbestos lmfao

Say sike

Rn

[proven badger]

Luckily it's a joke

It's kind of funny they are selling fucking cancer to larp tards though

[lunar marsh]

A must buy

[scenic jetty]

Hell yea

[full iris]

Cries in british

[trim lava]

you get asbestosis from prolonged exposure, larping for a few minutes wont give you it

@proven badger

[carmine tide]

Before saying it was a joke he said "a few hours"

[round sentinel]

Existing gives you cancer anyways

[trim lava]

^

[carmine tide]

Wearing a gas mask for any length of time will make you want to die anyway

[round sentinel]

My fiancée would disagree

[trim lava]

a few hours is probably not at all enough for that either, but yeah

[carmine tide]

Polish people do not have normal feelings and emotions

[round sentinel]

More than most of us

[proven hearth]

Emotions? Yeah we don't do that here.

[round sentinel]

Real

[fringe prawn]

maybe some one can make this super safe

[noble nimbus]

I think we need more LMGs in the game…DPM, RP-46, Type 88, Mk46, Mk48 Mod O, M240, M240L, M249 Saw, M60e4, M60e6, Hk MG4, Hk MG5, Hk 421, Hk 21, Stoner Tac, XM250, Fn Evolys, LAMG, Negev, Ameli, MG3 & M27 IAR

[bleak spade]

did you just get chat gpt to spit out a list of random mg names

[misty cove]

it hink yes given the rp46 is experimental? and the m60 is ingame already lol

[noble nimbus]

No I did it by hand did my own research? Besides I hate artificial intelligence.

[unique fjord]

Clearly didn’t

[noble nimbus]

Oh come on

[wet forum]

anyone tried the new m&p carry comp in 10mm?

[misty cove]

also like

why would shit like the hk21 or the mg5 be ingame

or the evolys

[unique fjord]

Plus why do we need the same lmg and its 187 licensed copies

[misty cove]

also literlay why the m27

lol

it would bring literaly nothign

[blazing temple]

Hk51b on the other hand

[unique fjord]

Give scavs dp29s

[misty cove]

hell yea

the scav is shifty

[noble nimbus]

I’ll show you the LMGs

[proven hearth]

This is a chat about guns you own. Not guns you want implemented into the game.

Therefore i must say the phrase.
Post gun.

[misty cove]

also ye lol

[wet forum]

i asked about a gun i own lol

[proven hearth]

Reading comprehension is key. Maybe, just maybe i wasnt talking about you.

[wet forum]

Lmao okay

[unique fjord]

No u

[misty cove]

@blazing temple

britong

[proven hearth]

Also carry comp isnt worth it. As someone who owns a 9mm carry comp. The comp isnt worth the extra $300.

[unique fjord]

Lacking

[blazing temple]

British playa

[unique fjord]

Not even top tier

[proven hearth]

The only real reason i bought it was because the slide work is immaculate.

[unique fjord]

Pffft

[misty cove]

well ye

toptier reeeks

[wet forum]

They made updates to the 10mm including a larger port so it should have some improvements

[misty cove]

same shit but OH its got 2 more pen

[misty cove]

yes

[blazing temple]

Incorrect

[misty cove]

i play like everything

[unique fjord]

[misty cove]

except italy thats balls

[blazing temple]

Kh30 upon ye

[wet forum]

I also had the 9mm carry comp and traded it though

[proven hearth]

Youll get far better performance if you just throw a threaded barrel and a nice chunk port'ed comp on it.

[wet forum]

I don’t like the way they look at all.

[unique fjord]

Ported barrels feel like a meme

[proven hearth]

Depends on the port lol

[blazing temple]

Does PMM make shit for m&p

[wet forum]

I have a set of M&Ps from AETI with the agency comps and barrels and they look alright but generally not a huge fan.

[wet forum]

I think so but not positive

[wet forum]

P10C ported shoots great

[proven hearth]

Sold my p10. Got a glock instead.

[misty cove]

chieftain is so good its ball busting

i just tanked like 15 shots

[proven hearth]

Good guns just certain shit i didnt like.

[wet forum]

I’m sorry

[proven hearth]

Sorry for what? having a gun that will outlast me?

[misty cove]

glocks are boring

[wet forum]

Glocks are just meh in general.

[bleak spade]

yup lol

[wet forum]

I have a few, they go bang fine. Just lacking features

[proven hearth]

Glocks are fine. But go off

[echo cairn]

Features like?

[unique fjord]

Chieftain mk10 is baller actually has armor

[wet forum]

Ergonomics on any level, a trigger that’s not a mush pile, some type of nice serrations, ambi controls

[misty cove]

ehhh

its 9.3 now 😭

i haven o clue how thats comparable to a t72

[wet forum]

Non cheap plastic sights

[echo cairn]

.....have you not seen the Gen 5?

Let alone the Gen 6

[misty cove]

all the chieftains have baller armor

the mk10 ahs best

[wet forum]

I own one, they still have everything I just mentioned unless you buy a LE model and get better sights

[unique fjord]

Chief still better

[echo cairn]

So where is this ambi controls and serrations coming from

[misty cove]

maybe

[wet forum]

The still have a worse trigger, grip texture, sights out of the box than most things.

[unique fjord]

Hull no. Turret js mid until the mk10

[echo cairn]

Bc that's just a blatant lie

[proven hearth]

Ergonomics are a non issue. Shoot more. Trigger isnt even that bad as people make them out to be, perfectly fine for a self defense handgun. They do have serrations that work just fine. And they do have ambi controls.

Anyway.

[wet forum]

The ambi controls was fixed, the serrations still suck

[proven hearth]

The serrations are fine.

Lol

[wet forum]

I shoot plenty

[echo cairn]

I'm sorry but serrations are serrations bud

[wet forum]

😂😂 I can’t argue with a wall

[misty cove]

hull is very mid

turret is GOAT

[proven hearth]

I can rack my gen 3 from the front without even needing serrations. Non-issue.

[echo cairn]

Because you just don't have a good argument

I don't even like Glocks and know they are really good

[unique fjord]

Woahza you can charge a used gun with out effort

[wet forum]

I can rack one without serrations as well, that makes 0 sense. Just because it’s possible doesn’t mean they shouldn’t use something nicer

[unique fjord]

[proven hearth]

You can rack brand new glocks from the front without needing serrations too. Lol, mf's just like to complain to complain.

[wet forum]

It’s a comparison of money and what I’m getting for it.

[unique fjord]

Why is this argument about cuts on a slide completely pointless

[echo cairn]

Those types are never satisfied and along with the crowd to hate Glocks bc everyone else does

[wet forum]

I can’t help your a super Glock fanboy who’s gonna defend them to the end

[echo cairn]

Right?

[unique fjord]

Did someone get a canik and think they are the hot shit now

[proven hearth]

Calling me a glock fanboy doesnt do anything to help you prove a point.

[unique fjord]

Woah Glock speed cuts

[echo cairn]

Wrong.

[wet forum]

I own them and use them, but they are not the end all be all of handguns

[echo cairn]

He'll learn someday

[unique fjord]

I want in

[bleak spade]

Glock and m&p guys can live
Together

[echo cairn]

As long as I get a bigger part of the house

[proven hearth]

Im just tired of people bitching about moot 'points' that arent even points. Theyre fine handguns, if you think otherwise youre just actually braindead

[echo cairn]

Or, like I said, follow trends

[misty cove]

the best pistol is obv aps

[proven hearth]

Homie called me a super fanboy like i dont have multiple handguns from multiple different companies

[echo cairn]

The best pistol is the one I have obv

[wet forum]

Lmao so do I congratulations buddy

[echo cairn]

Wait...how many more handguns you have?? All Ik is the 19 and carry comp

[proven hearth]

Beretta's glocks smiths sigs and the list goes on

[echo cairn]

Man has more guns than I realized

[blazing temple]

Walther for striker fired HK for hammer fired who needs stinky sws

[proven hearth]

I just dont talk about them often unless they get brought up

[echo cairn]

Just don't muzzle shove someone and you should be okay wit Walther

[wet forum]

Pdp with the pmm stuff shoots good but doesn’t like 115

[echo cairn]

That's because you shouldn't be shooting 115 with comps lol

[blazing temple]

It's a 147 gun anyways

[echo cairn]

That's like getting a Ferrari and putting 87 in it

[wet forum]

It’s the only gun that gives me issues but you are correct I should use something heavier

[proven hearth]

Gotta keep reoccuring costs down somehow amirite?

[blazing temple]

If you lick your boolets first they shoot better 👍

[wet forum]

Yeah I just have a ton of 115 but need to stock up on some 124 and 147

[echo cairn]

Mhm

[proven hearth]

Anyways, im gonna finish my lunch and watch tv. You autists have fun.

[echo cairn]

Salsa for the 498th day in a row

[blazing temple]

You can't make me

[proven hearth]

I do have salsa but i got a chili dog and tots for lunch

[ocean pike]

I’m siggin

[wet forum]

how many rounds you got through it??

[echo cairn]

Shot it yet?

[wet forum]

i shot 2 mags through a friends last week and they felt awesome

[ocean pike]

Wouldn’t you like to know ⛩️

[echo cairn]

I was just curious lmfao

Not like ima buy one

[wet forum]

do you have any 2011s?

[near axle]

Another one

[tiny quest]

🫩

[echo cairn]

Used to, sold it

[fringe prawn]

my sigga

[hushed salmon]

Based Jericho

[royal basin]

Very niceee. 🇮🇱

[hushed salmon]

What grips are on yours?

[royal basin]

Lok grips, cowboy bebop https://lokgrips.com/iwi-jericho-941/specialty/jericho-941-baby-eagle-cowboy-bebop/

[hushed salmon]

Proper

[terse pivot]

Thoughts on custom handguns? I want a bullseye pistol in 10mm. I have my eyes on one I could buy, but also considering getting one made for tighter fit and tolerances as well as higher grade barrel

[tired aurora]

If you're an oil baron you can get a costume made handgun that is as smooth as wet glass.

[thorny flame]

literally zero reason to go to 10mm for bullseye

[terse pivot]

Counterpoint: it's a cool caliber. But I get what you're saying. In theroy .45 acp gives me a bit more wiggle room with scoring

[thorny flame]

it's cool if you are slinging hot pistol loads at bears or something, but it's worthless otherwise

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My thought process was that I have a 9x19 Glock and .44 Mag Revolver and want a pistol that's easier to shoot accurately than the Glock and with more woosh than 9x19 but less than .44

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just buy some ridiculous .45 like a pardini or something

mk23 always an option

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Oh damn I wasnt aware Pardini made anything other than shotguns and .22s

I was eyeing the Tanfoglio Gold Match

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or any of the target 1911s