Pokémon

[vestal jay]

A lot of them are valid but the Rapidash one really is tenous at best

[unique moth]

no i disagree most of them are really bad

[uncut tundra]

Love this guy

[unique moth]

as someone who's played a lot of dragon quest

[uncut tundra]

Sameeeee Haunter clears

[unique moth]

does anyone have that post with the comparisons dude its so funny

[vestal jay]

DQ didn't even do the Azure Dragon first, fucking Chinese Mythology did

[unique moth]

YES this one

[pine arrow]

Some of these are massive stretches

[vestal jay]

Shellder and Krabby are pretty close, the others are ehhh

[unique moth]

its a crab

[pine arrow]

Nidoran is like, the biggest example here and the others are more of a stretch

[grand iron]

I love the guy...but Krabby's literally just a crab.

[vestal jay]

Come on this thing literally is a real animal

[grand iron]

Of course it's gonna look like other crabs as a result.

[pine arrow]

Not for good reasons tho

[unique moth]

i cannot even fanthom the possibility that this comparison was meant to be taken seriously in any shape or form

pidgeotto comparison is my favourite
i have never seen that dq dodo guy before but that guy fucking rules look at him

[pine arrow]

Also there's a baffling one that's not there on that DQ sheet

[unique moth]

also golem because lol

[vestal jay]

How do you compare the Cat and the fucking Dog

[grand iron]

Surprised they went for Pidgeotto. Pidgeot has a Generation 1 sprite that'd actually sell the comparison better.

[unique moth]

YEA TRUE

[pine arrow]

> Angry rock
> Explodes
> Frowning face

This is peeled Graveler

[vestal jay]

Naked Graveler

[unique moth]

oh those guys are annoying as hell

except in builders they are fun there

[vestal jay]

Dragon Quest golems have been badass since day 1

[unique moth]

pokemon golem wishes it was this guy

[pine arrow]

Shout outs to golems, gotta be one of my favourite myth creatures

[grand iron]

Pokemon Golem eventually gets a railgun onto his back. He's not complaining.

[vestal jay]

I know the Slimes have their own games but seriously imagine a DQ mecha game featuring these things called Dragon Quest Golems

[pine arrow]

Golem still isn't him

[unique moth]

you can ride them in some games

[grand iron]

True, he isn't him. He's still not complaining. I love both Alolan Golem and Golurk!

[vestal jay]

It's be Armored Core but with magic

[unique moth]

golurk still fucking rules

[vestal jay]

Yes

[unique moth]

probably my favourite rock type line next to the minecraft salt guys

[grand iron]

Wouldn't mind finding a shiny Golurk as, for a second set to train, I'd love to make use of the fact he's the only pokemon in Gen 9 that was use Trick with an Assault Vest.

Permanent Taunt!

[vestal jay]

Golurk is Ghost/Ground

[unique moth]

have i ever mentioned i suck at pokemon

yea this is why

[grand iron]

As someone that still does battling today often and has trained pretty much EVERY pokemon (Some Galar ones being exceptions, as I didn't like those game enough to keep), I don't see a problem with being poor at the game but liking them still.

[vestal jay]

Yeah

I suck at most games I play but I still have fun

[grand iron]

Plenty spin-off material, but mostly there is just a bunch of really solid designs to enjoy seeing in action.

[vestal jay]

I suck so much ass at DQ3 I run away from damn near every encounter using save states. I've sequence broken all the way into Isis by now

[unique moth]

forgetting type matchups and what moves do simply means that pokemon games are harder for you, and in a time where every non-postgame is easy as hell, thats pretty nice

[grand iron]

Again, I didn't like Shield enough to keep the game. But several Generation 8 pokemon are favourites of mine designwise and have loved training some in Violet.

[vestal jay]

I hated Gen 8. Gave it to a friend because he lost his copy

[grand iron]

Not an unpopular opinion.

[pine arrow]

Gen VIII had some pretty solid mon designs TBH

[unique moth]

best gen 8 pokemon is falinks. factually correct opinion

https://tenor.com/view/falinks-pokemon-heart-locket-gif-22580976

[pine arrow]

Love the designs of the abominations you can make with fossils

[unique moth]

oh those guys are really cool

still wish we could get the "normal" versions of em

[grand iron]

Out of Galar, sure. Though Orbeetle contends with it for me sometimes.

[unique moth]

also woolo is peak everyone loves woolo
palworld agrees

[grand iron]

Throwing Hisui into the mix changes my view though as I do like Kleavor and, if regional forms count, Hisuian Zorua more.

[pine arrow]

Although I will say, as much as there's some great Gen VIII designs, there's also a few horrendeous ones

[grand iron]

...umm...uh...I...don't.

[unique moth]

hisuian zorua line is so unreasonably badass

[unique moth]

blocked

[grand iron]

All I see is much inferior Mareep. Fight me.

[unique moth]

no mareep is cool too

[pine arrow]

TBH Wooloo is just 'ok' to me

[vestal jay]

I love Wooloo but yeah Mareep is cooler

[grand iron]

https://tenor.com/view/no-i-dont-think-i-will-captain-america-old-capt-gif-17162888

[unique moth]

im sorry but tea guys are so funny
their form gimmick is super annoying tho

[grand iron]

The Tea ones are solid IMO. I also don't mind Enamorus and Sneasler, though Sneasler's design honestly only truly works for me when it's in it's battle stance and not it's "idling" stance.

[unique moth]

i like deviantart oc sneasler

sneasel if it was designed by vivziepop
peak methinks

[pine arrow]

You're bang on with that

[unique moth]

the name is really stupid tho

[pine arrow]

Tea guys I don't like, it feels....I dunno, incredibly stereotypical? Like if you made a region based on Ireland and made a Pokémon that was just a potato

[unique moth]

yea thats why its so funny

galar was so comically british in designs

they went all out and honestly fuck yea nice lol

[pine arrow]

It didn't feel British enough in some areas

[vestal jay]

Makes me wonder why Paldea hardly feels Spanish inspired at all

[pine arrow]

> Motostoke is based on Manchester
> No rain

Why.

[unique moth]

i kinda disagree?

its not on the same level as galar but its pretty spanish

i think most people forget the iberian penninsula is a fuckton of different biomes in one small region

[grand iron]

I dunno. A ghost pocessing those items feels like how Pokemon showed it to me personally. Especially Polteageist.

Same for the Gen 9 counterparts they added in the DLC.

[pine arrow]

Gonna be honest, a good chunk of Galar feels like it was created like if Junichi Masuda slapped that one bucket of vindaloo song on in the Game Freak office and forced everyone to listen to it on loop until Sword/Shield were finished

[vestal jay]

No I mean like... why is there a Bamboo forest where Zaragoza is

[unique moth]

oh thats fair

the bamboo forest feels like its there only to remind you this game was made by jp devs

[unique moth]

thank james turner for that

[vestal jay]

Pokemon really seems to want to make a China based region but uh... not sure about how they'd manage that in today's climate

[grand iron]

You mean like how the Yorkshire Terrier wasn't in the game at launch?

[pine arrow]

Yeah

[vestal jay]

Ok that's just pure irony

[pine arrow]

But a Skunk mon was base game for some reason???

[unique moth]

isle of armor is another weird example of going oriental in a completely different region

[pine arrow]

There's a lot of nods to China throughout the series now that I think about it

[vestal jay]

Why the Kung Fu Panda arc in the UK

[unique moth]

the treasures of ruin being all chinese does make sense context-wise but still pretty weird

[pine arrow]

Uh, the small areas of big cities in the UK that are China themed? The whole owning Hong Kong thing we had going on? That's about it

[unique moth]

some people unironically use things like this as an excuse

i guess the devs just wanted to
So they did

[vestal jay]

Also what exactly is Kitakami? A region? Independent state? Part of a larger region we haven't seen?
Annex of Johto?

[unique moth]

https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Kitakami

[pine arrow]

Gen I had China directly mentioned in Arcanine's dex entry IIRC, Gen II almost had a jiangshi mon, Gen III......????, Gen IV and Gen V's Fire type starters are both based on Chinese mythical characters, Gen VI had a Panda mon, Gen VII had a Chinatown, Gen VIII literally had a mon based on Bruce Lee, Gen IX has the Treasures of Ruin

[vestal jay]

Damn

[grand iron]

All I know is we can rule out Alola and Galar, given how Ultra Sun/Moon established regional evolutions working.

Can also rule out Hisui, but that kinda went without saying.

...going to say we can rule out Unova too, given Indigo Disc takes place there.

[pine arrow]

Oh wait I think I thought of one for Gen III, but it's anime only

[grand iron]

You guys know that "fav Pokemon chart" thing? Here's mine from earlier in the year.

...not loading, is it?

[pine arrow]

The place this movie was based on is a place in China

[grand iron]

Oh wow, NO images are for me right now. Huh...

[unique moth]

it is

based marine pattern btw

thats the one we get here

[grand iron]

Also did it for least favourites at the time. That ended up concluding Quilladin was my least favourite pokemon.

[pine arrow]

Did one of these earlier this year, I don't think my thoughts have changed too much since then

[grand iron]

The only major shift I can think of for my one at a glance is Cloyster instead of Articuno for favourite Gen 1 Ice.

[pine arrow]

I think the problem with making a China region in Pokémon is if you did China without Taiwan, China would complain. If you did China with Taiwan, Taiwan would complain.

Shame because China actually has some pretty wild locations they could use for areas in a game

[pine arrow]

> Makes a Special Attacker
> Gives them next to no STAB

Why.

[vestal jay]

Simple Solution: Make Taiwan the post game. It's a smaller region off the coast of the China based region with its own local Pokemon League. Maybe 6 gyms instead of 8 and a uniquely structured Elite 4

No one has ever said all Pokemon regions are the same size or need to have 8 leaders. Hell, Alola has NONE

[pine arrow]

Hate when movesets are so barren you have to unironically use Hidden Power as a move in your moveset

[nocturne marsh]

dude do you want to get crucified by china government

[vestal jay]

Fuck the Chinese government Taiwan is a country

[nocturne marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/bing-chi-ling-alex-mei-bing-chi-ling-alex-gif-21908053

[vestal jay]

Zhong Xina

[nocturne marsh]

i doubt theyd drop the chance of sales in china for a pokemon region they can just not make

they can just shoehorn china shit in random unrelated regions like how the supposedly spain region has a mexican mon for no reason

[pine arrow]

IIRC they actually hadn't been selling games in China until 2017

In fact it was because of them deciding to release games in China in 2017 that we even got leaks for Sun/Moon

'It's help didn't appear!'
'It's help didn't appear!'
'It's help didn't appear!'
'It's help didn't appear!'
'It's help didn't appear!'
'It's help didn't appear!'

[vestal jay]

The calling for help mechanic is a remnant of early Dragon Quest's mid 90s nonsense

I do love how you could catch a Level 5 Salamence tho

[pine arrow]

It's nonsense because it's help didn't appear

I'm here beating the hell out of one mon and all the others of it's species are like 'Oh it's nothing, I just thought the rain sounds like Oricorio' and then just carrying on

[unique moth]

and the french region has another mexican one too

[pine arrow]

Why is Gen VII's camera so erratic?

Shiny spawns
Camera zooms on the player
Camera zooms on the player
Camera zooms on the player's Pokémon
Camera zooms on the player
Camera zooms on the player's Pokémon
Camera zooms on the player's Pokémon
Camera zooms on the player
Camera zooms on the player's Pokémon
Camera zooms on the shiny
Camera zooms on the player
Camera zooms on the player's Pokémon

Also yeah just caught a shiny

[wicked bloom]

Video?

Cap

[pine arrow]

Oh you want the shiny picture?

Will take my phone a second to load

Sorry for the horrendous quality, used my phone camera. Took like 5 Ultra Balls to catch

Chain of about 112 I believe

Started around 8 pm and caught it around 9 minutes past 12

Slowly trying to get a shiny for (almost) every mon in the Alola dex, not sure how many I've got so far

Gonna check the ratio

142/402

Still a bunch more to go

[pine arrow]

You know, it's astounding how relevant Normal types were in Gen I and really only Gen I

[vestal jay]

Normal type is just... so dubious

What defines "Normal"?

Questions like these usually lead to discussions about conformity

[pine arrow]

I've always saw them as kind of the 'Freelancer' type

They can do practically anything, but don't excel at anything

Hence why in earlier gens they were so much better and in later gens they're kinda nothing, despite the fact that nothing about the mons or the type have actually changed

The special stat split and physical/special split hurt them as well

Gen I Tauros had 70 Sp.Atk so it was just as happy clicking Hyper Beam as it was Blizzard, Fire Blast or Thunder

Chansey could actually do damage in Gen I

Let me repeat that

Chansey could actually do damage in Gen I

Solarbeam, Fire Blast, Psychic, Blizzard, Bubblebeam and Thunder coming off of a base 105 Sp.Atk bare in mind

[grand iron]

What actually happened to truly nerf Normal Types IMO is that Steel Type became a thing and decent Fighting Type moves became a thing.

[pine arrow]

True, true

Then again, most Normal types got Flamethrower/Fire Blast so Steel wasn't a big issue.....but again the special split altered who could be shooting Fire Blasts

[grand iron]

In Gen 1, Fighting Types were a joke even ignoring Psychic being overpowered and only Hitmonlee had good Fighting moves so Normal basically had no weaknesses.

[pine arrow]

Fighting types were atrocious in Gen I, even-

That.

[grand iron]

Just like the other broken type in Gen 1, Psychic! lol

Pretty sure the only user of a bug move that mattered was Jolteon. JOLTEON!

[pine arrow]

Psychic went from 'actual problem' to 'just exists kinda' over the years

[grand iron]

Oh, and Hyper Beam got nerfed.

That'll have hurt normals too more than most, given it was STAB.

[pine arrow]

It nerfed Aerodactyl

Aerodactyl was functionally a Normal type

Only one Flying type move, no Rock STAB IIRC

[grand iron]

Worth mentioning I think it took Gen 3 to truly drive the nail in, given Snorlax is regarded as the best Gen 2 Pokemon even in Ubers. lol

[pine arrow]

I'm looking at something out of curiosity in terms of the special split

[vestal jay]

This type shit is why Jobs are superior to types

A Pokemon Game but everyone has a Class instead of a type

[pine arrow]

In a weird way, classes are more restrictive than types

[pine arrow]

Actual outcome of the Gen I->Gen II special split

Everything in the top tier either got a Sp.Atk buff or Sp.Def buff, everything in 'LOL?' still has the exact same stats, Sandslash, Golbat and Dugtrio got Sp.Atk nerfs despite not learning really any special moves anyway, and fourth tier is either lower Sp.Atk or lower Sp.Def after the split

RIP Chansey is self explanatory, Game Freak killed that thing

[vestal jay]

Types just feel so messy to me. They're always imbalanced and it always has something to do with dull aspects that Game Freak refuses to change

[pine arrow]

Types nowadays are less anchored to specific stats

[vestal jay]

Bug Type is only so weak because Bugs are small and comparatively meek IRL but for the sake of balancing you don't need to make them all squishable like real ants

Pissing hell, you have a Centipede that's the SIZE OF A HORSE, that thing would not die to a damn SHOE

[grand iron]

Play a Unova game. Or an Alola game. Trust me, you'll see how bug type can be a BEAST there!

[vestal jay]

Unless it's Big Mom's shoe

[pine arrow]

Yeah, after Gen IV they started treating Bug type like an actual type

[vestal jay]

Bug type feels like a remnant of when Bird type was almost a reality

Types used to refer to a Pokemon's biology, I'm glad they now just refer to what powers they have

UNLESS ITS BUG LMAO

[pine arrow]

About that.

[grand iron]

Bug type currently also fills in a very underestimated role of taking Fighting and Ground moves well while threatening Dark and, with Tera in Gen 9 especially, Grass.

[pine arrow]

Ignoring Fairy, as it was introduced after the split, every type on the left hand side used to be a physical aspect kinda thing, whereas every type on the right hand side used to be an elemental affinity kinda thing

Now they're thrown that away and just treat them all as equal of sorts

[vestal jay]

I've got an original mon called Golithrap. It's based on the Bird Eating Tarantula so it had to be super effective against flying types
My solution was to make it just Rock type

[pine arrow]

You could also give it a Bug type move akin to Spikes, but instead of hitting things that are on the ground, it 'hits' Flying or levitating mons and forces them into a grounded state

[vestal jay]

How are new types classified anyway? Is it just based on unique attributes that literally can't be attributed to any other type? I struggle to imagine how scientists classified Ghost type as separate from Psychic

[pine arrow]

They've never went into that

But I'd imagine that Psychic and Ghost types are VERY different

[vestal jay]

In HTTYD they have Dragon Classes. They had an episode dedicated to creating a new class for a newly discovered Dragon, calling it Tracker Class since it didn't fit into any others and it could sniff things out over leagues on miles

I'd love to see a special on the discovery of the Steel Type. Apparently the first one ever classified was Steelix, then it was applied to others from there

[pine arrow]

To be fair a lot of Steel types were evolutions of existing mons at the time, aside from Magnemite/Magneton

[vestal jay]

Pokemon's world building a lot of potential but of course it's Nintendo so they wouldn't go into that
I'm convinced Kirby's lore has been a massive ongoing fluke

Zelda's lore was unintended, let's be real

[pine arrow]

Steel type was also added basically in Pokémon's infancy, so there's another thing

[vestal jay]

I hope one day we can meet a Faction of Pokemon Magic practitioners who trian themselves to manipulate one Pokemon move in different ways, like learning Ember and then firing it off in different ways

It's implies some humans can learn maybe one or two Pokemon Moves in their lifetime, Psychic being one of the most common. It'd be neat to see a Pyromancer trainer class

[pine arrow]

It's never quite explained how people have psychic or aura abilities in Pokémon, other than it's just a thing people have but only a few people 'activate' it

Crap, now I'm just imagining Sabrina or someone during the Grand Elder Guru forehead grab thing to unleash someone's latent power

[vestal jay]

Hidden Power gives you a randomly typed special move. There should be a move called Latent power that gives you a random beneficial stat adjustment

[pine arrow]

Dunno if this is controversial or not, but the Old Chateau has the creepier music when compared to Lavender Town and people don't talk about it enough

Also just knowing that the Pokémon League Night theme has the same exact note, in the same instrument, with the same effect on it, right at the end as the same note at the beginning of the Old Chateau theme is....really weird, gotta say

[uncut tundra]

https://youtu.be/93qAwX50BZU?feature=shared

Old Chateau scared the hell out of me as a kid lol

[vestal jay]

Clearly you don't know about an strange house

That place is freaky as shit. Gen 5 as a whole had some freaky as shit places in general

[pine arrow]

Strange House wasn't that bad TBH

[unique moth]

oh you kids call that scary? oh you havent tried the SCARY HOUSE in kalos route 14. but of course i'd imagine that such a place might be TOO SPOOKY for you BABIES to even dare enter, of course

[pine arrow]

Oh the place where you go in and they do the scariest thing the NPCs can do to you in Pokémon, stealing some of your money?

[unique moth]

they only steal if you give them consent to

i wonder if they'll somehow reference this in Z-A

"Oh kid you're not gonna believe this theres like a SUPER SCARY alpha pokemon on the building next door arent you SCARED to enter???" and then its just a middle aged guy with a haunter mask

[pine arrow]

Love how 'haunted' is one of the biomes they have in basically every Pokémon game

[unique moth]

gotta have em ghost types somewhere

except in paldea in which their biome is basically everywhere at nighttime

paldea at night is straight up hell on earth no wonder there's so few people

[pine arrow]

It's funny because the biomes are like, field, forest, cave, lake, desert, haunted, jungle, volcano, snow, ocean, etc

Just how Pokémon is

[unique moth]

dont forget the abandoned building full of explosives

[pine arrow]

Which region?

[unique moth]

kanto, hoenn, dont remember if johto has one

[pine arrow]

Those are the power plants, right?

[unique moth]

yea

[pine arrow]

Was gonna include them but they're not as common as I thought

[unique moth]

johto has one of those buildings but its not a power plant its just team rocket's hq ig

the staple died out very quickly

[vestal jay]

Oh and Unova has ancient places that are evidently remnants of Unova's ancient inhabitants dying horribly to the Dragons

[pine arrow]

Like off the top of my head, Kanto and Hoenn have one, Sinnoh has a factory but it's not a power plant, Kalos has a power plant but it has no encounters, Alola has a geothermal power plant but yet again no encounters in there

[vestal jay]

Lacunosa Town has been in bone-chilling fear of Kyurem for thousands of years, Dragonspiral Tower is overrun with golems and has been completely abandoned for centuries, and oh yeah the flooded city below Undella Bay

[pine arrow]

Sinnoh has the temple and Hoenn has the Regi caves

[unique moth]

kinda weird how you have like 8 pokemon that mimmick pokeballs and they just dont do that anymore in the recent games
Which is weird considering that 4 of those pokemon are pretty recent

guess that died out alongside power plants

[pine arrow]

You know what did die out?

Safari Zones

[unique moth]

honestly good

[pine arrow]

Gen I had one, Gen II functionally had one, Gen III had one, Gen IV functionally had one, after that they stopped doing them

[unique moth]

the only fun iteration was in xy

[pine arrow]

Oh I forgot about that

There's some concepts in the Safari Zones that honestly are great and they should've done more with

HGSS's 'build your own' was a great idea, just remove the 'wait 3 months for Gible' crap. Combine 'build your own' with the ORAS version just being like regular Pokémon battles with no timer or money requirements and you could have a fun side quest there

[vestal jay]

Realistically why would you cut those out of the regions because like- where does Paldea's power come from?

[pine arrow]

Power plants exist in half of the regions but most of them just don't have encounters

[unique moth]

kinda funny how galar was like "we have 30 different energy sources but we NEED more to secure our future"
and then paldea came like "what an energy source lol"

[pine arrow]

Shout outs to France for running on wind, geothermal and the souls of the dead

[vestal jay]

Seriously why the fuck was big boi concerned with energy 1000 years innthe future

[unique moth]

an in an utopian world like pokemon in which they can make energy out of fucking mice

france literally discovered infinite energy

[vestal jay]

I think it was just his way of phrasing the idea that he wants his company to live forever

[pine arrow]

Pokémon: 'So yeah this Gorilla man can power an entire city by just existing'
Also Pokémon: 'Britain is having an energy crisis'

[vestal jay]

You know the corporate types. "Infinite growth" and all

[nocturne marsh]

i still stand by the idea taht the pokedex is just rumors people make up about the mons rather than actual scientific facts

[vestal jay]

This is probably true tbh

[nocturne marsh]

cuz 90% of the pokedex sounds like actual bullshit

[vestal jay]

How does Machamp throw like 100 punches in half a second or whatever the fuck it says

[unique moth]

they kinda of tried to paint rose as like "trying to do the right thing" so you can sort of sympathyse with him but his whole deal is so stupid and just doesnt work in universe, it would be far better to justify it has "yeah this guy is just greedy and wants his company to take over the world or something"

rose aint villain he is just stupid

[pine arrow]

Mantis Shrimp IRL can do one punch faster than that

[vestal jay]

This sounds like it can only apply to one instance of a Banette. Unless that's how all of them are born this has to be bullshit

[unique moth]

magcargo

[vestal jay]

TPC can't let a corporate bigwig be fully portrayed as a greedy shithead

[pine arrow]

Pretty sure people have done calculations on Magcargo and it's heat would be localised

[vestal jay]

Hotter than the sun my filthy black bootheel. You could've dropped a Magcargo to end the Great Pokemon War instead of sending Surge and his Raichu into get PTSD, thing is a living power plant

[pine arrow]

Liquid metal IRL gets to 1/3rd the heat of the sun and factories aren't like disintergrating everything in a 15 mile radius

[vestal jay]

Ah

[pine arrow]

Also do I have to bring up Mantis Shrimps again

[vestal jay]

Also I love how the recent entries about Fossil Mons detail how they've become an invasive species from too much revival

Like yeah North America couldn't handle T-Rex coming back if it tried what makes you think Omastar wouldn't eat the ocean dry and then kill the ecosystem?

[pine arrow]

Nature casually evolving not one, but two Shrimps that not only can attack within a few milliseconds, but create a sonic boom, generate light, and boil the water in front of them up to 5200 degrees celcius

Sounds overkill

[unique moth]

what im learning from this conversation is not that dex entries are justified, its that mantis shrimps are ungodly freaks of nature and we should fear them

[vestal jay]

The land will fall to the supreme aquatic might of the Crustacean Nation

[pine arrow]

Pistol Shrimps as well

Mantis Shrimps also can see 17x the amount of colour we can

[unique moth]

how and why do you have so much shrimp knowledge

[pine arrow]

They legit need reinforced glass to contain them in aquariums

Watched a lot of videos on these guys

Begs the real question, why do we not have a Mantis Shrimp mon yet

Logically could've been the 'opposite' of Clawitzer

[vestal jay]

Easy Water/Fighting phys Attacker there

[pine arrow]

Give it like base 160-170 Attack with Iron Fist but minmax the rest of it's stats as balance

Or just make it a new UB because, I mean, look at this

Apparently people who have been punched by one of these compare it to the feeling of being shot

[vestal jay]

Decorator Crab Pokemon

It could become the new Spinda. No two of them have the same arrangement of shell decorations

[pine arrow]

Crustaceans and Crabs have a tonne of potential for Pokémon, but we're gonna have to wait until Gen XI for another

Game Freak and their 'only adding Crustaceans and fungus every odd numbered gen' striking again

[pine arrow]

Lowkey did they ever actually find out shiny odds for SOS battles because I'm getting a lot of conflicting numbers

Getting:

1/4000
1/512
1/250
1/315
1/1024

So which one is it?

[pine arrow]

Thinking about getting every regional Bird in shiny

[orchid trellis]

1/1024 after 70+ encounters, 1/683 with shiny charm

[pine arrow]

Already got Noctowl, Swellow, Pelipper, Staraptor, Unfezant and Talonflame, only need Pigeot and Toucannon

[pine arrow]

Is the 70+ chain still a thing? I heard it was 30+ now

I know 70+ was for max chain fishing odds in Gen VI definitely

[pine arrow]

Might go for Pikipek first, then go for after Exeggcute solely because I want a shiny Alolan Exeggutor

LOL that was quick, 53 encounters and Pikipek shows up

Oooh! Skill Link!

[pine arrow]

Got Egg.

[pine arrow]

Oh....Game Freak coded the Battle Tower in Platinum to kick you out if you mash B. What, why?

[orchid trellis]

huh

never seen that before

[pine arrow]

Just saw a video on it. It was believed to be a glitch, but apparently there's just straight up code that does that. And only in Platinum

[orchid trellis]

like. during a battle?

[pine arrow]

No, if you're entering a room

[orchid trellis]

huh..

got the video?

[pine arrow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRQGp61lbbc

A single frame perfect flag in the game's code that kicks you out if you press B

[pine arrow]

Someone made a point, but Game Freak's obsession with Rock Smash reached it's peak in 2007-2008

[vestal jay]

I want Rock Smash to come back in a scery specific way

Make the Gimmick of a new game a gauntlet that allows humans to use weaker versions of Pokemon Moves and give the main character 30 different unique Rock Smash animations

[pine arrow]

Your character just slamming their head directly into rocks

[pine arrow]

Also IIRC in X/Y it's confirmed that Korrina axe kicks rocks to train....for rollerskating?

On that note, how the hell did it take them until Gen IX to make an Axe Kick move?

And only 4 mons get it

How many kick moves even is there now anyway?

[vestal jay]

I've had this idea for a long time. Instead of unlocking a bike or anything your character is granted use of Agility, and later in the game you get ExtremeSpeed and can knock away Pokemon in the overworld you walk into

K so I looked up my old document of ideas for the mechanic and I wrote down a User Lawbook for the technology. It has a list of Banned HMs nobody should use. What the fuck was I smoking when I wrote this?

[pine arrow]

Mega Kick
Stomp?
Axe Kick
Double Kick
Hi Jump Kick
Jump Kick
Low Kick
Low Sweep
Rolling Kick
Thunderous Kick
Triple Arrow
Triple Kick
Bounce?
Blaze Kick
Pyro Ball?
Aqua Step?
Trop Kick
Triple Axel

I think that's all of them. The ones with '?' could be debated as not a kick despite using the legs tho

[vestal jay]

We can't rule out the possibility that some pokemon using Bounce are coming in hot in Rock formation

[pine arrow]

There's also Pokémon with Bounce that don't have legs

However, Game Freak counted Headlong Rush as a punch move, despite IIRC being stated to be a sumo tackle

[vestal jay]

What do they classify Headbutt as then?

[pine arrow]

They don't

[vestal jay]

Game Freak why

[pine arrow]

Punches, bites, slices and a few others get official move classification, kicks don't

[vestal jay]

Weird

Fist Bias

[pine arrow]

Game Freak: 'Yeah so these are the exact same kind of attack'

[vestal jay]

I mean... they are both inputted with Punch

[uncut tundra]

Headlong Rush is just a made up move they came up with to make Ursaluna absurdly overpowered

I aint complaining i love that bear

Great job game freak

[vestal jay]

Bloodmoon Ursaluna goes hard

[pine arrow]

Watching a video about Gen II and for some reason the dude in the video went 170% more French the moment Ariados was mentioned

[vestal jay]

Could I see the clip pls?

[pine arrow]

https://youtu.be/6j1v88NPtJY?si=kOmOj5xc6ot1aOpM&t=378

'You can just catch one of these, and they will immediately start putting in work with their high attack stats. Even 🇫🇷Ariados🇫🇷's one niche trapping Pokémon is better performed by Haunter or Crobat, they are faster and can actually outspeed the legendary beasts'

[grand iron]

Gonna watch that whole video, actually. Curious what they bring up.

[pine arrow]

It is an interesting video with valid points

[grand iron]

Unova's my favourite region, but GSC Johto's my most played.

[pine arrow]

I feel really weird about Johto TBH

Conceptually it's super neat, but I can't help but think how flawed the handling of it is

The level curve, the mon distribution, what mons gym leaders and elite four have, certain item availability, etc all feel like they were slapped on

[grand iron]

I love Ledian so much, but this guy's right so far on both the grass types and early bugs.

[pine arrow]

Ledian feels like Game Freak didn't even playtest anything with it

No wonder Johto almost has a Sinnoh problem with team compositions because a lot of the new mons they introduced are either too rare, too underpowered, or both

[unique moth]

a 1 terabyte file leak file of compressed gamefreak data has seemingly leaked

granted most of it might be employee or company info but this might be crazy

[pine arrow]

Huh

[unique moth]

yea its being dissected as we speak

like right fucking now

a dev build of pokemon black and white 2 has apparently been salavaged from whatever source of this leak

same with heartgold and soulsilver

actually scrapt that "apparently", we got footage already damn

also, if this is true (could be an extremely elaborate fake leak after all), the codenames of Legends ZA, gen 10 and another project have been leaked

[pine arrow]

Huh

[unique moth]

also my bad its only 1 terabyte not 2

oh and also completely random thing from gamefreak that also leaked, ||seems like there was a scrapped SNES version of one of gamefreak's old ass games, Mendal Palace||

(unrelated to pokemon)

[pine arrow]

Huh, Mendel Palace

Wonder if there's any mention of Pulseman or Drill Dozer?

Also I recommend listening to the Drill Dozer soundtrack, it's like an official extension to the Hoenn soundtrack without actually being Pokémon

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtYGWs5V8zk

[unique moth]

man next few weeks are gonna be a leak plague unless this turns out fake

twitter gonna be crazy

and smogon forums in which apparently the source came from? im not sure i dont really use them

[pine arrow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_a7uYPZq8bc

This is an interesting track, sounds very Gen III but has the first instance of the guitar riffs Gen IV used a lot

[pine arrow]

IIRC, Smogon was the first place to find out about Gen VII's Chinese Riddler leaks

[unique moth]

hearing it rn man it really is hoenn

crazy how iconic those games sound

[pine arrow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05RPOxACxsM

Also very Gen III sounding

[unique moth]

cant think of any non-game freak game with soundtrack like this

what EVEN is this style named

[pine arrow]

I know that it uses the same instruments as Gen III, and the composers for this game were, IIRC, Masuda and Ichinose

[unique moth]

i wonder if the way the instruments sound is from the compression or if the instruments are just like that

drill drozer was for what console? DS or GBA?

[unique moth]

apparently there's plenty of non-pokemon content but people dont care enough to show them off

[pine arrow]

GBA

IIRC Mother 3 also uses a lot of the same exact instruments as Gen III, unsurprisingly

[unique moth]

wildest thing so far from the leak is that apparently ||there has been a pokemon MMO in the works since 2011 by og gamefreak staff and its been like either in dev hell or stasis or something since then||

[pine arrow]

Not surprised

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rb6OiNv8naw

This straight up has the trumpets from the title theme of Gen III + Hall of Fame

[unique moth]

||i dont know if its still dormant or if they are actually still doing it tho, so a heads up that while its very likely people will be like "POKEMON MMO COMING SOON!!" its worth noting that it might not really even come out in first place||

[pine arrow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obR0q_PFt5g

This actually sounds a decent amount like Sandgem

[unique moth]

can someone link me to the sample library with those trumpets

i want em !!

[pine arrow]

IIRC there's both a soundfont with the gamerips and an actual upload somewhere of the actual MIDI soundfont banks in their raw format

I found them ages ago while digging

[pine arrow]

I've also got a Gen V version of this on my PC, gotta process it tho

https://musical-artifacts.com/artifacts/579

Here's one of the gamerips ones

Can't find the original one

[unique moth]

back to midi hell here i go

[pine arrow]

MIDIs are great IMO

You can do stuff like this with em and it's always funny terrible

[unique moth]

oh my god its all happening at once but the leak is real

not pokemon content in this spoiler
||Outside of Mendel Palace (which has scrapped snes and wii versions, there's information about the DS games God King Bug, Present Party and more that is yet to been shown||

for the real meat, the pokemon stuff, im not sure what can be discussed here? like do we have guidelines for this?
its a LOT of stuff so i would probably stay off twitter for the next 3 years to avoid spoilers

the leaker, despite basically hacking into a corporation in a very illegal stunt, seems to be "corteous" enought to not be showing any other employee data nor any builds of future pokemon games
other builds, such as of old dev builds of several pokemon games, as well as other game freak games, including a cancelled game that never saw the light of day, are already circulating

in fact said cancelled game is now entirely playable now ||its a SNES remake of mendel palace||

[vestal jay]

I hope this damages Pokemon enough that they can't pay for their Palworkd lawsuit

[unique moth]

no i dont think will really damage them

leaker already stated that they wont be sharing builds of future games, probably for the best

...and i dont think that a cancelled snes game is really gonna get them bankrupt

anyways fun fact legends z-a is finished and entirely playable

but then again its a nintendo game so thats to be expected, they only reveal and release stuff ages after its done

lol

oh shit beta designs are dropping !!

finally

[pine arrow]

Yo, I need to see this

[unique moth]

look at this idiot

beta lickilicki

[vestal jay]

Way better than the final design wtf

It looks like a roll of bubble tape

[unique moth]

i like the original one more personally but this one looks badass

the og has that "glutton chump" vibe that is really funny

the tongue looks much better in the beta one tho

oh my god

oh my fucking god no way this one is real

im not sure hold on i think something just dropped

a beta rotom form

[pine arrow]

Oh if any more are found, I gotta see em!

[unique moth]

water form rotom......... was not always a washing machine

skibidi toilet 😭

heres the rotom stuff

[pine arrow]

Ohohoho the Grass Rotom

[unique moth]

also these, fun fact that shaymin appears in the movie with this design

[pine arrow]

Is this our second batch of Gen IV sprite leaks then?

[unique moth]

i think so

forgot about this rotom

crazy

what the hell is that thing in giratina's page

[pine arrow]

Oh that's from the D/P beta leaks!

[unique moth]

rlly?

[pine arrow]

Yup!

[unique moth]

forgot about this one too

[pine arrow]

And it was originally orange

[unique moth]

oh thats so cool

everything is coming together

another

this one is in the gen 3 style

[pine arrow]

It is

[unique moth]

i dont think theres nothing new in this one but here ya go porygon fans

will be taking a break rn but as we speak content is dropping faster and faster

[pine arrow]

Where are you getting these BTW?

[unique moth]

community discord server i am in is talkinga bout em
some peep there are into the forums and stuff and taking them from there

[pine arrow]

Ah

[unique moth]

we have one insider too who apparently has been seeing this whole thing from the start directly from the source

he was able to confirm this is all real

[pine arrow]

Huh, just saw some of Beta Team Galactic

Saturn had a coat and spiked up hair, Mars had some kind of dress/cloak thing, and Jupiter straight up just wore a dress

[unique moth]

btw not sure if i shared but

||https://youtu.be/javX2DVVS8Y?si=rRIBn4AlGcJqEqW8|| this is the cancelled game that was leaked

fully playable now!

[pine arrow]

Is the giant yellow man from the Gen III sprite sheet in this?

Beta Skorupi+Drapion and early Ethan and Lyra designs

[unique moth]

oh god this is repulsing

also this is insane
official gen 3 map maker

will be avaliable soon for everyone

[pine arrow]

Actual stickman

Bald

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AZs6yhiRms

[vestal jay]

They looks more like Zorro than a mafia boss here

[pine arrow]

I've noticed an odd pattern with leaks with Pokémon

When they get leaked online, you'll get like, an image or info every 2-3 minutes for about an hour and then complete silence for an hour or two, and then another batch of info every 2-3 minutes

[vestal jay]

I mean you can't bring home gold 3 days in a row without digging for a week

They probably spend that time mining for more info

[unique moth]

oh shit

new entirely scrapped pokemon just dropped

[vestal jay]

Imagine it's Beta Garchomp

[unique moth]

i think we already have seen that one

in the older leaks

[pine arrow]

Oh hold on, I think I have an idea what this might be

It's in segments, which isn't too unusual, but so were the sprite sheets for Gen V. The blinking animation at the bottom backs this up. Given the backsprite is a single image, this could be before Gen V considered animated backsprites and possibly before it had a moving camera.

With that in mind, given it's Reptilian appearance and frill, a trait associated with Ceraptopsian Dinosaurs, it might be a very early idea for Haxorus

It's arms having macuahuitl looking ridges on it also leans into the 'bladed edge' theme the line has

[unique moth]

oh we gettin model leaks too now

gen 5 protags have xy models

insane

oh god we getting into xy scrapped content

where is pokemon z can we find it

a model of a whole beta version of a xy town is out

someone made a mockup of how that scrapped mon could look like assembled

[pine arrow]

BALD

[unique moth]

reposting but with spoiler tag

[unique moth]

welcome back iron boulder

gen 5

[pine arrow]

Given this is Beta Hydreigon....Welcome back Iron Jugulis?

LOL NO WAY

||https://x.com/CentroLeaks/status/1845283556823601477||

The guy on the right was almost real by sheer coincidence

[unique moth]

oh this one looks great

[unique moth]

bingo

that guy was in the platinum build

mystery solved

[pine arrow]

LOL Surge's sprite

Twitter made Sabrina's sprite unfunny by saying it looked like the wojak meme

[unique moth]

oh dude this gonna be a long night

a VERY long night

[pine arrow]

Is this from the leak?

[unique moth]

yes

the leaker dropped new files

i think every mainline game before xy is here

but thats just my guess

lmao

[pine arrow]

Onion child

DISGUSTING Camerupt leak

[unique moth]

yucky

why does it have two healthbars

[pine arrow]

Apparently this is Cacturne????????

[unique moth]

dude this is a lot to digest

what the FUCK is that metagross

[pine arrow]

What the HELL is that

[unique moth]

WHAT WERE THEY THINKING

[vestal jay]

Metagross more like METADISGUSTING WTF

[unique moth]

BRO LOOKS LIKE EPIC MICKEY CONCEPT ART

[vestal jay]

It looks like some shit from the Percy Jackson King Kong movie what the hell

[unique moth]

CACTURN LOOKS TERRIFYING TOO

[vestal jay]

What was Gen 3 originally supposed to be? A horror game?

[pine arrow]

THIS traumatised kids, now imagine something more realistic and actually more Spiderlike

[unique moth]

WHO THE HELL ARE YOU

[vestal jay]

I hesitate to even compliment it, I love spiders and even I can't stand that one

[unique moth]

WHAT THE FUCK WERE THEY ON DURING GEN 3

"yeah lets make it scary"

??????????????????????????????????

[pine arrow]

Actual Telefang type creature

[vestal jay]

Is this a... smoothed down stethacanthus?

Also that bottom one... that's just a Gyaos from Gamera

Not even Digimon would do designs this freakish and they do everything

Worst they've gotten is Satan Form Lucemon maybe but shit Pokemon nearly outdid them

Like this looks like a Pokemon in comparison to those almost-Pokemon

[unique moth]

DRILL DOZER REAL

not pokemon ^

[pine arrow]

I've seen so many 'Pokémon turned into Digimon' things that I've always wondered how come nobody has took a crack at the reverse

[vestal jay]

A Pokemon based on Drill Dozer would be cool as hell

[unique moth]

excadrill

[pine arrow]

Yeah that's literally how Excadrill works, even down to the hands combining

[vestal jay]

I appear to have made a critical error in my memory

Now make Pokemon based on other Nintendo games

Army Ant pokemon based off Advance Wars

[unique moth]

WHO THE HELL ARE YOU

[vestal jay]

Mega Man Star Force lookin ahh

[pine arrow]

Metagross vs Beta Metagross

[vestal jay]

I'm gonna call them Betagross. Reminds me of Beetlejuice

[pine arrow]

> It's a Beta design
> It's gross

Yeah I get the logic

[unique moth]

lmao who is this guy

[pine arrow]

Dunno how true it is but apparently Drayden ||has been discovered to be based on Hulk Hogan||

[vestal jay]

Who let the E. Coli germ in
Also is that AM from I Have No Mouth

[unique moth]

im sorry what

well well well looks who's back

now this one is a real og

[vestal jay]

No way that was was actually gonna be in at one point

[pine arrow]

We actually have concept art of it IIRC

Released YEARS ago

[unique moth]

yea this is one of the oldest

its so cool to see it again after all those years

here's a lot more of em

also this

and dis guy :]

[pine arrow]

LOL is that Electrike?

[unique moth]

more

i love that flygon

[pine arrow]

My guesses are that these are Seedot, Surskit, Masquerain, Sableye, Flygon and Shiftry

[unique moth]

THERES SO MANY I CANT KEEP UP

TENTAQUILL REAL

[pine arrow]

Is this the second time Tentaquil has become real?

Hold on, the red flower one was in the data leak from a few years back, but we never had a sprite for it

Why is this dude in the Telefang 2 style?

See what I mean with the shading?

[vestal jay]

These are actually just Digimon now

[vestal jay]

The Tornado mon looks like a Miitopia enemy

[unique moth]

https://fixvx.com/SKULLHORNETS/status/1845235375502995769

another scrapped game freak game

how did we got from THIS to nonsensical digimon designs

i love this guy

[pine arrow]

Why is it like Karrablast+Roserade?

[unique moth]

gen 3 and gen 5

[pine arrow]

Wait, hold up, no way

[unique moth]

theres so many of those designs

i think we might have hit 100 of em

this leak is insane

[pine arrow]

Apparently there's even info coming out about important characters, like who they're inspired by, what nationality they are, their families, likes/dislikes, etc etc

[unique moth]

yep

biggest leak in pokemon history

old games, new games

we have new content from gen 2 to gen 10

actually deleting that last one cuz OP says they dont know where its from

music is leaking now !!

[pine arrow]

This sounds like the regular, but with the wrong instruments

[unique moth]

N must be for Night

so a night theme like in sinnoh

[unique moth]

here's gen 5 and 3

[unique moth]

the leaker already played the entirety of legends Z-A and apparently he really liked, says its his favourite game from the series

dude it better be as good as they claim i swear to god

[pine arrow]

I think the purple thing above Cheren might be a joke one, looks almost identical to a South American comic character

So......Game Freak puts the ||pseudolegendaries|| in the 'pantheon' with the legendaries

[uncut tundra]

Guys something pokemon related leaked

Very minor

[unique moth]

very very minor

only 25 years of content of every single mainline entry of the franchise from gen 2 to 10

legends ZA is leaking as we speak anyway

sounds like its gonna be a good game! i really hope they are right

[unique moth]

well to clarify its moreso the anime leaking at the moment

which has ZA content

from the game itself all we got is the leaker's opinion on it which is very high

but then again pokemon fans have incredibly low standards so take it with a grain of salt

[unique moth]

descriptions of gen 10 seem to give me a lot of ||wind waker|| vibes

||apparently, pokemon horizons (the anime) kinda of skipped over the school setting of gen 9 and went for the globe-traveling setting that is similar to the setting of gen 10, minus the "island-hopping" which will be in gen 10 but not the anime, and on top of that, the riddler told us as the leaks started that gen 10 had "too much water"||

[pine arrow]

LOL what the hell is the leaked lore for the origin of the Pokémon universe, wacky stuff

[vestal jay]

POKESTALKERS

[pine arrow]

Now I'm convinced that the reason why shiny Midnight Lycanroc is blue and white is intentional

Shiny Woobat is also green as well

[uncut tundra]

Can i get a source for the pokemon lore

[pine arrow]

||https://x.com/CentroLeaks/status/1845445639984853472||

Here, translated

If it's true, then that means the fanbase was right on something by sheer chance

[vestal jay]

Metagross was once considered a legendary

[pine arrow]

Metagross, Dragonite, Tyranitar, Salamence, notice a theme here?

[uncut tundra]

Jesus Dialga and Palkia were busy

Who were the giants Arceus defeated

[pine arrow]

That's lore they should go into

Probably won't now it's leaked

[uncut tundra]

Why should their plans change

[pine arrow]

Companies are weird like that

IIRC Game Freak have publically stated they don't want to do Pokémon ideas that are popular in the fanbase because they don't 'want to take ideas from fans'

[nocturne marsh]

https://vxtwitter.com/Shock_and_Roll/status/1845316029074886959 is this real

[pine arrow]

A while back then did mention designing a character with the intent on her being attractive for Gen V, but decided to give her more of a 'sisterly' personality

This might be what the hell they were on about

[vestal jay]

Only now did I realize the thing on her head is a propeller

[nocturne marsh]

dewd

[unique moth]

yes

[unique moth]

moreso not because it leaked, but because its from development material from over 15 years ago

considering it never released, its very likely "retconned" by now

heck, retconned is not even the right word, because that would imply it had been canon in first place, but there's no way to tell if that is true since it was never made public before

[pine arrow]

WHAT DO YOU MEAN THERE'S APPARENTLY PART OF A LEAK ABOUT THE INFAMOUS SINNOH FOLK STORY!?!?

[unique moth]

oh i saw that

its so much worst than i could ever think of

honestly those lore drops are really painting the humans in the pokemon world as huge assholes

no wonder so many people want to take over the world

[pine arrow]

I've just been told about it by someone else, I've not seen what it actually is, but someone said to me 'Wow, the leaked lore is freaky'

And I said 'Oh the Arceus egg one?' and he said 'No the Octillery Human procreation one' which...what the hell man

[vestal jay]

Someone put Ken Sugimori on a fucking watchlist Game Freak is a menace to society

[unique moth]

the lore drops are so dark and gritty its insane

its feels like a fan game from 2016

[pine arrow]

We don't know who did it, but IIRC Ken has nothing to do with the story

Ken, if anything, is the reason why we didn't get bone Spider Metagross and hell cactus Cacturne

[vestal jay]

It reminds me of the dark and messed up shit me a friend of mine have been coming up with for a conceptual Pokemon project of our own

Like, the entire region the game takes place in is a massive conspiracy around the green haired people N and Ghetsis are from

Why is some beta official shit edgier than what I've made

[pine arrow]

That N thing reminds me of something

There was official art shown off like 10 years ago now of N that Junichi Masuda brought to some presentation and it was N with bruises, a black eye and bleeding IIRC, that was the first look at genuine dark stuff from the Pokémon devs

Pretty sure it was to imply that Ghetsis physically abused him, and given what Ghetsis was about to do in USUM to Lillie, there's evidence to support that that was the case

[vestal jay]

Since a long time ago it's seemed like they want to take Pokemon in a more mature direction but I guess TPC keeps kneecapping them into either dumbing the story down or not letting them finish their vision

Like the main story of Area Zero was unfinished until they added in the fuckin turtle

[pine arrow]

Pokémon seem to bounce back and forth on how much 'dark' stuff they want to include per game

Like Gen V never implied child abuse with N, but manipulation to make him do as Ghetsis said, whereas Gen VII heavily implies child abuse happened to several characters, along with being the first game since Gen I to directly use the words 'die' and 'kill'

[vestal jay]

Sword & Shield felt like it was made to be marketable, sandwiched in between the generations of "This extradimensional horror tried to omnicide the planet by eating the sun" and "The professor died in a horrible time travel accident and left their orphaned child alone with nothing but a dog"

[vestal jay]

Ghetsis is guilty of not less than 3 counts of attempted murder

[pine arrow]

In B2W2 he tries to kill the main character, and then the Lillie thing in USUM, any others?

[vestal jay]

He tried to kill both main protagonists of the Gen 5 games and he attempted a mass homicide upon all of Opelucid City

[pine arrow]

Oh yeah that too

[vestal jay]

Lillie was just an act of violence and a threat from what I remember

Ironically enough I think he has the most violent on-screen death of anyone in Pokemon: Getting vaporized into another universe by Colress

I'm also pretty sure the Shadow Triad took him away to be assassinated after BW2

[pine arrow]

Man, poor Lillie. One universe she's abused by her mother, and almost gets beaten to death. Another universe she's abused by her mother until her mother becomes traumatised, and upon trying to build a better relationship with her mother, dudes from parallel universes show up, steal her house and one threatens to beat her to death there and then

Man, imagine the Ghetsis thing playing out and then Guzma overhears what Ghetsis says to the main character about Lillie and he just

https://tenor.com/view/markiplier-punch-murder-markipunch-doom-gif-22412827

[vestal jay]

Why not fight Pokemon villains, we got

Extremely petty mafia boss who employs children
Eco terrorists
A 28 year old doomer with too much time and money
A violent repeat offending manipulative terrorist who can and will kill again
A dumbass with One Piece hair
An abusive mother who was possessed by an alien
Another dumbass
A mentally damaged high schooler(can relate)

[pine arrow]

One Piece hair man almost nuked France

Funny to me how Lusamine, for a short time, won

[vestal jay]

True!

She brought through the alien invasion and briefly attained her final form

[pine arrow]

She wanted a world with just her and the aliens. She left for the alien dimension

[vestal jay]

Oh and if you read the manga then Pryce

[pine arrow]

Nah just counting game canon here

[vestal jay]

That Pokemon concept me and my friend have been developing has an interesting thing going on with the villain. Initially it seems like the Box Legendary is the villain, however they've really just been wrapped up in a greater scheme by the Dark Type gym leader who ends up morphing into a different Pokemon like Lusamine did. Then when that Pokemon leaves his body you fight and capture it on the way up to the Pokemon League

[unique moth]

oh hey mantis shrimp fans

[pine arrow]

Yo?

[unique moth]

guess what gen 3 pokemon got scrapped

[pine arrow]

Huh

You know, makes sense with Gen III having a lot of water

[vestal jay]

PUT THE MANTIS SHRIMP IN YOU WEAKLINGS

[pine arrow]

Why didn't they ever bring back underwater encounters outside of the Hoenn games?

[unique moth]

7/10 too much water

[vestal jay]

Either laziness or they do that thing where they leave a good addition behind just because it was the specific Gimmick for one region

[pine arrow]

Lowkey the later games with big 400-450 mon dexes would've been perfect for dive to come back in

[unique moth]

i would not call it laziness it just did not have much purpose tbh

gen 3 has a lot of ocean so it makes sense

[pine arrow]

Gen VII:

[vestal jay]

I want a Pokemon game with a 5 Layered world to explore, Space, the Sky, Land, Water, and the Underground

[unique moth]

yea fair enough

[pine arrow]

You can add another layer in, Ultra Space

[unique moth]

its really funny how alola has the most water but at the same time it doesnt

[vestal jay]

Most physically present water vs most water based content

[pine arrow]

At this point I think we need a database of every scrapped Pokémon, there's like nearly 200 or so at this point

Waiting for the inevitable fan game that adds them all back in + adds in all the mons

[vestal jay]

Kinda just wishing Pokemon would make an MMO

[pine arrow]

Gonna be honest I don't care much for the idea of an MMO

[vestal jay]

A lot of people's dream is a Pokemon game with every Pokemon and every Region. Best way to do that would be an MMO

[pine arrow]

My dream game is just a game with every Pokémon

As long as the region is interesting, I'm fine with it

[vestal jay]

One day when the current crew at Game Freak is gone for whatever reason maybe we'll get another truly great Pokemon gen

We had 5 and 7 and now we're waiting again

Also why does it seem like 5 and 7 are the best or most beloved entries when it comes to the big RPGs? Dragon Quest 5, Pokemon Gen 5, and Tales of Symphonia(5th game), then Pokemon Gen 7 and Final Fantasy 7

[pine arrow]

Isn't 7 regarded as a lucky number?

[vestal jay]

In some places

In Casinos mainly

[unique moth]

oh btw ||the leaked pokemon mmo is out of commission, they tried it and simply aint doing it anymore||

||HOWEVER, there is a multiplayer battling pokemon game in the works by gamefreak and ilca||

[vestal jay]

I don't trust the quality of this game if it's attached to ILCA

[unique moth]

people thought they were making brothership and it was looking incredible

[nocturne marsh]

|| https://x.com/CentroLeaks/status/1845288813339246721 ||

Centro LEAKS (@CentroLeaks) on X

Gen 3 starters original concept art

Twitter · Oct 13, 2024, 2:21 AM

|| https://x.com/MugenKampaWorks/status/1845342991008821544 ||

Kampa🧩 (@MugenKampaWorks) on X

The masses turning on mudkip for some fuckass rabbit

Twitter · Oct 13, 2024, 5:57 AM

[unique moth]

|| https://fixvx.com/Crownified/status/1845546002247479784 ||

[uncut tundra]

Ah yes, Torchyc, Treeqko and the rabbit from splatoon beta

[pine arrow]

If we had got that for Gen III, then would we have got a ||Fire Axolotl|| for Gen VIII?

[nocturne marsh]

did arceus actually do this when he was born

[unique moth]

cyrus's design is based on WHO

??????????????

im sorry what

|| https://you.bbaka.moe/VIRnowzgvEJ0.mp4 || first footage of the xy beta

[grand iron]

Oh, leak talk. I'ma back out this chat for a while then...

[unique moth]

hey so turns out ||mega raichu|| was at one point planned for xy

we got its cry just like jynx

...why does gamefreak neglect ||raichu|| so much

[orchid trellis]

where is that

[unique moth]

https://vocaroo.com/1jZHbLzZF5a3

here

taken from the xy beta build

there is another build out rn, but this one is very well protected, akin to the other 3ds builds

im going to sleep now, its been some wild days
anyway here is the most high quality version of this really old image for whoever it might concern

[pine arrow]

Has any more character details been released aside from 90% of the B/W gym leaders and Cyrus?

[uncut tundra]

I dont get this leak

People have said 3d stuff leaked too

Yet all ive seen are sprites

[unique moth]

I've seen 3d stuff already

[nocturne marsh]

yeah me too

[unique moth]

||mega flygon||'s cry leaked too
That's another one we already knew about tho

[unique moth]

But yea should probably mention all of 3d stuff people have been seeing is only from the XY beta
The other games it's been a bit of a mystery, their files are out but we are yet to see any content out of them

Another xy beta has dropped, closer to the original version, and apparently people haven't been able to crack that one open yet either

[unique moth]

No way

Btw if you're wondering, most of the Pokémon in this buid are pngs lol

[uncut tundra]

YOO

[unique moth]

So for megas,
Scrapped:

• ||Mega Jynx (we already knew)||
• ||Mega Flygon (we already knew)||
• ||Mega Raichu (new, found in the beta)||
• ||Mega Bisharp (mentioned in meeting transcription, yet to be verified)||

Funny how two of those would later get different forms/evos

[unique moth]

||https://fixupx.com/centroleaks/status/1845664014606459141?s=46&t=LzKLhuw4HFKYNu6F1W9gLQ||

[uncut tundra]

BROOO

THIS LOOKS SO MUCH BETTER

THERE WERE TIRED ANIMATIONS

[unique moth]

I should probably note that this makes a lot of sense as to why was scrapped

XY has like over 600 Pokémon

And they had to model each with animations for everything and whatnot

[uncut tundra]

I say do it

Even when they dont implement every pokemon they still dont go all the way

[unique moth]

Considering XY was rushed I don't think there was any way they would make even MORE animation for each Pokémon, as well as camera animations to for each

It is however something they could had done in sword shield

They revamped the camera there so

Could had used the opportunity to make it more akin to this

[uncut tundra]

If sparking zero can give 3 highly detailed animated supers to each of their 180 characters idk why pokemon couldnt do something similar

Like

Give these devs more time i beg

[unique moth]

God this franchise could be so much better

[uncut tundra]

Like urgh

[unique moth]

I wish they did it like how Kirby has been doing
Aka a new mainline every 5 years

And small spin offs between those years

But nope !! New game or dlc every fucking year !! Sometimes TWICE a year !! 60$ each !!

Granted this year they aren't releasing anything so like GOOD

[livid star]

They don’t need to put in effort cuz Pikachu will print them money

[unique moth]

By the way I have bad news about the xy scrapped designs
They are very few and all kinda lame

They are all stuff like volcanion but brown

There's very few, many have minor changes, but those 3 are the ones who look the most different compared to their final designs

fart volcanion

Beta XY map, seems like contrary to popular belief, southern kalos was not planned
Moz can you confirm this is france

[uncut tundra]

It us indeed france

Is that a mountain chain all throughout the south

[unique moth]

yea

[uncut tundra]

They really straight up never planned the south of france? Im expecting the map to go down further

[unique moth]

Oh by the way reminder paldea is an island

[uncut tundra]

Its like if i removed southern states from the us

[unique moth]

So maybe the south of france like straight up doesn't exist lol

[uncut tundra]

But like the map goes down further no

[unique moth]

no

[nocturne marsh]

when. is. my. region.

[uncut tundra]

Like theres something below the map

Idk how to explain

[unique moth]

gen 14

[uncut tundra]

We can see theres something

[nocturne marsh]

also i expect every fangame to write weird myths about their mons from now on

important

[unique moth]

wdym from now on

It's been always a thing

[nocturne marsh]

thats not thats not true

[unique moth]

Pokémon fan games are known for frequently being very edgy, mostly the ones from mid 2010's

[nocturne marsh]

nono i mean hilariously detailed myths that just arent in game

its part of the process trust

[uncut tundra]

Like

[unique moth]

We never get to see that part sorry

[uncut tundra]

Why did they do 2/3 of france

Yeah but that exists right

Like

[unique moth]

We don't know

[uncut tundra]

Theres clearly something there

No but omg i drew it

[unique moth]

Ok fact, that map shows a lot more than in the real game

[uncut tundra]

It doesnt abruptly end there

[unique moth]

In the game it ends at that mountain range

[uncut tundra]

No theres clouds

We see clouds no

Whats beneath those clouds

[nocturne marsh]

can they make an argentina region and add a hilariously big wall pokemon

[uncut tundra]

Paldea 2

[nocturne marsh]

genuinely so important

[unique moth]

funnily enough
Paldea has part of southern France on it

I don't know what they are named in English
The uhhhh

Pirineus

[uncut tundra]

Pyrénées

Idk how its called in english

Those mountains in the south arent a thing btw

The alps dont stretch out this much west

[unique moth]

Then again it's worth noting that

Outside the Japanese regions

Pokémon doesn't really care much about making regions that much geographically accurate to their real life counterparts

[nocturne marsh]

honestly id rather them not be accurate

[unique moth]

There's a giant ass desert in NY, a huge hole in the center of Spain, Galiza completely flooded, etc

Yea I agree

It's better this way

Except when they put the mandatory Japanese/chinese area in every region for some reason

[nocturne marsh]

you know why

[unique moth]

Why is the Isle of Man asiatic

Saying Asiatic cuz I don't remember if it was Chinese or Japanese sorry

[vestal jay]

Separated by the Kalos civil war or some shit Idk

[wicked bloom]

game freak has to be doing crazy right now

some interesting literature going on there.........

[pine arrow]

Alternate universe where instead of Britain having Hong Kong, China has the Isle of Man

[pine arrow]

I blame the Turtle crater shockwaves for that one

[unique moth]

turns out ||mega bisharp|| was misinformation

[unique moth]

uhm

so

[unique moth]

remember this

well,

this is allegedly from the second xy beta

like wow ok thats a lot of

thats a lot of places scrapped

[orchid trellis]

FUUUUUUUUUCK

[unique moth]

like thats 1/4 of the game there

i am like

everything points out to being legit but like

what the hell????????????????

10 year old myth is real after all holy shit

ooooh no there's more coming rn it is legit no fucking way

[nocturne marsh]

did you see the fucking dynamic camera they made

[unique moth]

yea

so cool

that build was like from 2011 or smth

this build now is from 2013

[orchid trellis]

im so fucking angry we didnt get that camera

[nocturne marsh]

|| https://vxtwitter.com/CentroLeaks/status/1845664014606459141 ||

this maks the switch games even more pathetic

[orchid trellis]

like 90% certain it got cut bc the x & y frame rate is abysmal

[nocturne marsh]

cuz like sure i get why the 3ds couldnt run this

[unique moth]

i understand why they could not get it in XY

[nocturne marsh]

but the switch?

[unique moth]

yea its pathetic now

[nocturne marsh]

"hehe surely theyll bring this back next game just trust" now that it got leaked? no chance dude

[unique moth]

honestly i dont understand this company

[orchid trellis]

esp with legends & scarvio having free cam

[unique moth]

yea i think with free cam, we aint getting any camera stuff for a while

[nocturne marsh]

also most fucked up thing for me is ||the confirmation lucario wears pants||

[orchid trellis]

i didnt wanna believe it was ||pants|| because i dont wanna believe theres any reason for pokemon to ||wear clothes||

[unique moth]

||flesh pants||

[orchid trellis]

they literally said ||machamp's belt and pants|| are part of its body

so what now!!!

[unique moth]

i mean i think the same applies here

bro has just like natural pants, please dont question it nope dont even try

dont question sylveon's flesh ribbons either

[orchid trellis]

sylveons ribbons make more sense to me cause at least you can just consider them tendrils or feelers

but Whole Pants

???

what are you hiding.

dont like it

[unique moth]

ok and like hold on

those pants dont have holes so

they are connected to the leg

so like

is there nothing between the pant flesh and leg flesh

is it just air

[nocturne marsh]

they showed that

the existence of this guide implies gamefreak employees needed to draw naked lucario

[unique moth]

so in the 2013 build

the entrance to ||south kalos|| is STILL present

thats the blue dot there, where the first town is
insane this was actually real all along for a decade

so it would be in the same place that the first town is in the final build

only one souther kalos town remains in the game, its the only one in this map too

tho im hearing different stories? in the game you reach it from a train

and here it would be the same? but still connected to upper kalos?

god ok i need to stop writting and start investigating

[vestal jay]

Dammit we almost got Marseille

[unique moth]

||https://fxtwitter.com/caitybun_/status/1845817848993558674?t=bRrJPzxcRjkB2Yb1E2wxQQ&s=19 ||

[vestal jay]

That looks like it could trigger someone's epilepsy

[unique moth]

full map of kalos

congrats moz

[uncut tundra]

I KNEW IT

SOUTH OF FRANCE IS REAL

[uncut tundra]

What?

[uncut tundra]

YOOOO

They even have corsica holy crap

Damn those games were rushed rushed

[pine arrow]

France extending infinitely is something

[unique moth]

Ngl there was nooo way they would achieve this for XY back then
11 more areas and 10 more routes is a huge amount of content

Unless they either didn't make the black white sequels, or delayed gen 6 by a year or more

[uncut tundra]

Jesus that slakoth lore story is fucked up

What were the devs thinking

Im glad this never saw the light of day

[pine arrow]

Game Freak ruining a bunch of Pokémon that already had it bad in the games for literally no reason

[unique moth]

Not gonna lie in the slakoth story they didn't ruin the Pokémon, they ruined the humans
Like those bastards are menaces what the hell

I'm surprised they just fucked the girl instead of straight up beating her to death after she tortured like a hundred of their kind

[nocturne marsh]

they got tired of "i wish to live in the pokemon world" comments

[vestal jay]

Watch them uncover a story about Cofagrigus putting its 4 hands to good use

[uncut tundra]

Oh gosh

[pine arrow]

Because of a meme making a dumb connection, missed opportunity on Game Freak's behalf to not make a Galarian Jynx that wears a tracksuit and has it's hair tied so far back it's almost got a receding hairline because of the new 'chav' revival thing that's going on

[unique moth]

||https://x.com/gloomyfates/status/1846102171663880614?s=46&t=LzKLhuw4HFKYNu6F1W9gLQ ||

Hex Maniac Gloomy💜 (@Gloomyfates) on X

BETA HEX MANIAC REAL??

y20130122_075257.cci, a/0/3, dec_099.154

Twitter · Oct 15, 2024, 8:13 AM

she took the normal pills

[pine arrow]

TIL the original beta version of the B/W Wild Battle theme was remixed for the Gym Leader theme in the final game

So apparently there was a leak about X/Y back in 2013 era that stated the main story was ||gonna be an alien invasion but it got scrapped||. Didn't think much of it, but supposedly some beta files ||indicate something to do with space||.

Now that I think about it, it explains the ||Deoxys leitmotif|| in Diantha's theme, and Valerie's weird eyes

I mean look at them

[unique moth]

||Said "something to do with space" is one very weird track which is allegedly in the beta of the game named "spacecraft arrival"||

||tho so far nothing else points out to anything in that 2013 leak being true||

||we'll have to wait and see||

||https://fixvx.com/pouaf_/status/1846510817857954173|| @uncut tundra

What if this shows up in Z-A

They could still do it, the city is being rebuilt from scratch there

[unique moth]

oh also should probably mention, some days ago ||mega zygarde|| was "confirmed"

that's actually a mistranslation (thank god)

[unique moth]

oh also should probably mention, some minutes ago ||mega zygarde|| was "deconfirmed"
that's actually not be a mistranslation (dude we're fucked)

[pine arrow]

Whoa, so a bunch of new stuff has been discovered for X and Y

Including:

||- Scrapped Remora Fish Pokémon||
||- Old Flabébé line designs that have basically no connection to flowers seemingly (Explains the typing)||
||- Scrapped 'Terror Bird' Ground Hornbill line||
||- Scrapped 'Squid head' Chameleon Pokémon||
||- Old Mega Charizard Y design that looks kinda 'Monster Hunter-y'||
||- Scrapped Flamingo Pokémon||
||- Old Mega Mewtwo Y design that had a more Xenomorph looking head||
||- Scrapped evolution for the 'Squid head' Chameleon||
||- Old Mega Blastoise design with a moustache||
||- Scrapped Peanut mon and 'Breloom-like' evo||
||- Scrapped Diving Beetle Pokémon||
||- Old Mega Venusaur with a beard||

Also we have a bald Furfrou design as well

[unique moth]

Lol

[orchid trellis]

ch.. cheeseburger..

[uncut tundra]

BRO https://www.reddit.com/r/PokemonLegendsArceus/s/IQVizNMVix

[vestal jay]

That face lmao

[vestal jay]

New Pokemon leaks
||Apparently the GS Ball from Pokemon stands for Generation Sympathy instead of Gold/Silver||

[unique moth]

thats a sympathy most pokemon fans do not have

[wicked bloom]

Was that a secret till now

Like everyone just had to assume

[uncut tundra]

Anyone remember the early days of ORAS

Where it was rumored throwing poke balls at Deoxys could fail because you were in space and youd throw them in the void and even the Master ball could fail

What a masterfully crafted playground rumor

Idk who started it, and why, but briliant play on their end

Not only is it not a thing idk how they even came up with this idea

You could also miss a pokeball throw in other parts of the game, realistically..
Why would you need to be in space to start missing

[pine arrow]

Never heard that rumour

[grand iron]

I never heard that either.

Though will say missing pokeball throws wouldn't be new to the series at that point if you could miss Deoxys. Generation 1 displayed failing a capture on some pokemon like the legendaries as simply a miss.

[uncut tundra]

damn i was the only gullible kid to hear about that rumor

[wicked bloom]

You made it up

[pine arrow]

Gen I has a lot of weird quirks that you could see someone justifying as a bizarre mechanic

[pine arrow]

You know what's the most like, unique easter egg Pokémon has had in their games that never gets mentioned because Game Freak never officially released half of it?

How the opening and title themes of Diamond/Pearl are actually the Arceus summoning leitmotif and the Arceus realm theme

The first 16 seconds and from 1:48 onwards are the summoning and realm themes

[pine arrow]

Random thought but was X/Y's town layout meant to give the vibes of different months? First few towns are filled with flowers and the like (Spring), the next ones are by the sea or sandy areas (Summer), then there's areas where the trees are losing leaves and with pumpkins and mushrooms and the like (Autumn) and the last few areas of the game have snow as a main theme (Winter)

[pine arrow]

Huh, so something interesting about Kyurem has been found from the leak

Apparently Kyurem ||also fills the role of a 'guardian' of sorts, has the ability to see the future, and 100% hates people||

Also revealed that Genesect is ||Bug/Rock type naturally, but also not Kabutops/Armaldo|| and that Victini is ||basically a nuclear reactor||

[pine arrow]

They found Mega Jynx after all these years.

It's || just Jynx but blue with 'sunglasses' eyes||

[pine arrow]

Why is it called an 'Adrenaline Orb' if it's clearly a bomb?