seems the entire pikmin 4 game has been leaked
#PIKMIN
tired quiver
seems the entire pikmin 4 game has been leaked
thanks for the heads up 🙏
rough turret
prosafia gonna make an all bosses video before it comes out
sage jetty
willow gorge
it's only in three days
sage jetty
better watch out
burnt orchid
sage jetty
thats not the delayed game phrase...
tired quiver
it's his other phrase
not quite as popular but it's still one of his famous quotes
glow pikmin seem OP
terse wave
I don’t care if they can’t die bulbmin still superior 
sage jetty
resistant to "almost" all elements
wheat hinge
its ||louie again||
terse wave
Spoilers final boss is Louie with a Glock
burnt orchid
@granite vector do not trespass when playing Pikmin bloom
onyx roost
God damn it Jiggs there are people trying to go without spoilers man
The glock was meant to be a twist
Game ruined
granite vector
my ass on top of the capital building planting flowers:
burnt orchid
Fr
tired quiver
therapist : white flower white pikmin doesn't exist, he cannot hurt you
white flower white pikmin :
dense laurel
i typed "pikmin 4 final boss" and nothing came up
I hope it is the final boss from the Reddit leak cuz that one actually looked pretty good
Hyped to kick its ass, even
tired quiver
I hope it is the final boss from the Reddit leak cuz that one actually looked pr...
i've found the intro to the final boss, if you want it sent in dms
tired quiver
i think it'll be peak
burnt orchid
peakmin easily
dense laurel
RTS hard
onyx roost
Miyamoto wondering how can there be so much human scum who stays ignorant to Pikmin, and how can this world be perfected and such scum eliminated
terse wave
Kinda hard to believe that Pikmin 4 is tomorrow
Like you guys have been waiting for 9 years for this game
(I’ve only been waiting since October)
tired quiver
i've been waiting for a bit
dense laurel
Its been a hot minute
dense laurel
I'm getting ready to go into city tomorrow so I can pick up Pikmin 4 and not wait a week for it to get delivered to me
burnt orchid
ive been waiting almost 10 years
willow gorge
burnt orchid
burnt orchid
https://vxtwitter.com/MADnocontext/status/1291057090543394816?t=sKUPGMmBSz6Rdta-...
one of the most mainstream appearnces of pikmin lol
do people like these levels?
it's tedious
how do you fix your "dandori issue" on this one
dense laurel
how do you fix your "dandori issue" on this one
depending on how confident you are with risking captain's health, you can send them out alone and have them bait all the larvas into killing each other
you can send each captain to work on each side, idle captains (when positioned correctly) can automatically dodge incoming boulders
I do agree that this isn't something you figure out on your first run since you really have to know what you are doing, but it is faster and safer than using a squad or purples and maneuvering them around.
tired quiver
pikmin good
terse wave
So true
terse wave
how do you fix your "dandori issue" on this one
Should have used whites sorry
sage jetty
how do you fix your "dandori issue" on this one
he doesn't leave all his troops on the start, hold one single pikmin and run around the entire floor setting off every trap/scouting all possible hazards before progressing
burnt orchid
nothing is killing me, it's just boring
wheat hinge
tired quiver
man yeah i think pikmin 4 is my favorite pikmin
sage jetty
nothing is killing me, it's just boring
do the exact opposite of what i said
burnt orchid
verbal rose
Currently waiting for GameStop to open so I can purchase Pikmin 4... 
sage jetty
i got digital and woke up early to game
explored some of the second area
so far the game is good but wish there were sound options lol
burnt orchid
sage jetty
2 > 4 > 1 > eReader minigames = 3
verbal rose
After a full decade, it's here... 
tired quiver
i am pikmin
sage jetty
verbal rose
Got peakmin
Let's gooooo
tired quiver
oh damn one cave is a bit of a remix of a pikmin 2 cave
willow gorge
rough turret
isn’t every cave in Pikmin 2 a remix of a Pikmin 2 cave
burnt orchid
tired quiver
isn’t every cave in Pikmin 2 a remix of a Pikmin 2 cave
i meant pikmin 4 cave
there's some caves that are straight up re-imagining of the pikmin 2 caves
similar layout and shit
rough turret
Pikmin 2 caves have a random layout so I’m glad they actually put thought into the design of Pikmin 4’s caves.
Pikmin 2 caves except with level design
sage jetty
lol
tired quiver
pikmin 4 is so good
like i didn't expect it to be this good
damn wait pikmin 4 is made in unreal engine
granite vector
got me game !
rough turret
willow gorge
sage jetty
is he the only hello neighbor fan
tired quiver
man between the ice pikmin and the glow pikmin i really don't know which one i dislike the most
willow gorge
Is the ice pikmin because when you're in water with them you can't use them because they're above you
tired quiver
no i just don't like the ice pikmin
the fact they can freeze creatures is neat but... it trivializes combat imo
and the devs admitted to that, to them ice pikmin is easy mode
so just on this principle alone i try to use them very sparingly
willow gorge
commit a pikmin extinction on ice pikmin
tired quiver
encounters an ice wall
willow gorge
ok I shouldn't actually be in this place I didn't know that was a thing
sage jetty
didn't play the demo?
pretty sure one of the area 1 caves has an ice blob blocking the exit
willow gorge
well he said Wall I thought it was an entirely different thing
tired quiver
haha yes i totally meant ice blob
onyx roost
tbh creatures killed with ice pikmin don't drop their corpses so it's not exactly very useful either
terse wave
Ultra-bitter-spray-min
terse wave
I had 25 pikmin die to ||Emperor Bulblax|| and had a few dwarf bulbears fall out of the sky
I feel at home
tired quiver
I had 25 pikmin die to ||Emperor Bulblax|| and had a few dwarf bulbears fall out...
You'll love the cave ||Below Grade Discotheque||
Especially if you don't fight atop Oatchi for the added challenge
Lost 54 pikmin
tired quiver
overall pikmin 4 isn't very hard but if you intentionally don't use all the broken items and don't rely on oatchi too much during fights the caves can spike in difficulty
it's appreciated
tired quiver
damn the rock pikmin are busted
onyx roost
tired quiver
me when the ||guy who looks like captain olimar|| turns out to be ||captain olimar||
tired quiver
people keep advertising the "post game" as a.. well, a post game
it's not
it's like pikmin 2 the story just continues lol
bit baffling
onyx roost
They really put ||Not-Alph, Not-Britannie and Not-Charles|| in the game lmao
What was stopping them from ||using the real ones? It's not like the canon makes any sense anymore||
tired quiver
holy crap, spoilers for uhh the customisation ? ||once you rescue enough leaflings you can BECOME ONE by talking to the stylist OMG||
terse wave
Holy crap ||Groovy Long Legs|| is my new favorite boss now
Sorry Man-At-Legs but you’ve been topped
burnt orchid
What was stopping them from ||using the real ones? It's not like the canon makes...
Because this was funny 
idle canyon
you ever just?
burnt orchid
Trust in your Pikmin 
burnt orchid
I've 100% it
Now what
Send this footage over to Norbert and wait till he's done cooking ig
tired quiver
now redo it
burnt orchid
Facts
tired quiver
jesus i lost 90 pikmin in the ||engulfed castle|| and had to leave it and restart a floor
all because of an ||exploding spider||
burnt orchid
same
except not as many
|| I was instinctually waiting for the green health bar to appear ||
thought it had a second or two
terse wave
People who 100% the game do you ||find Louie inside of Dream Home?||
burnt orchid
what point are you at?
terse wave
Just started ||Giant’s Hearth||
tired quiver
the aquarium cave is super enjoyable
love that it's an actual aquarium inside a house lol
wait no... it's not inside a fancy house
it's inside another aquarium
this is so cool hahahaha
i'm gonna make that into a stage
burnt orchid
sage jetty
personalized pikmin
||https://twitter.com/ZatchMehr/status/1683274822640635909?s=20||
burnt orchid
um actually each """copy""" isnt personalized, just the playthru
sage jetty
perhaps
royal spindleBOT
https://www.tiktok.com/@iluv_pikmin/video/7250861254607162651
terse wave
Drew piked mins
pastel spade
Holy peak
terse wave
Twitter sucks at pikmin actual dandori issue https://twitter.com/olimarfartjar/status/1683545616310255617
dense laurel
have you seen that one clip of kaizo pikmin 2
burnt orchid
What clip?
Also in Pikmin 4, what's the point of having oatchi gather stray pikmin when there's an item that does it better? The idle signal thing
I guess he could pick up the Pikmin and bring them across water and stuff
But then you lose oatchi for a little bit while he's doing that hmmm
sage jetty
Also in Pikmin 4, what's the point of having oatchi gather stray pikmin when the...
probably designed for people who didn't have/want the gear
finally 100% the game (lies)
AMA
burnt orchid
First question, wdym lies ?
sage jetty
haven't platinum all the doris
terse wave
When do you unlock swarm
sage jetty
it's ||a side mission reward
you get it by collecting every musical treasure and talking to the musician in base
one of those is located in the final cave so you might consider it|| post game stuff
tired quiver
it's ||a side mission reward
you get it by collecting every musical treasure and...
that's so stupid why is it even unlocked at the end of the game
"hey guys we hid the best feature of the game when you don't even need it anymore"
big master cycle zero energy
why'd they even bother coding it in
sage jetty
if you rushed through the game or played like me (100% everything except the dandori medals) you'll get some utility out of the secret skills
otherwise, yeah
tired quiver
yeah no i'm 100% everything as i'm going
but i'm def gonna do a playthrough where i try to aim for the|| musical instruments|| first
sage jetty
if you want my honest opinion
not worth it
there's something really off about the swarm skill in 4
tired quiver
it is a bit weird ye but idk man i really like that it's back
burnt orchid
You unlock it early in || olimar side story mode || iirc
Tbh I haven't even used it outside of the rescue base
tired quiver
You unlock it early in || olimar side story mode || iirc
you get to play with it early but it doesn't unlock in the main mode
dense laurel
I prefer swarm over charge in that mode
like the only times I've felt like charge worked better was when fighting underwater fish
burnt orchid
Y'all crazy!!!
I love the charge
Just because it does the exact amount u need
Then they come back to you
burnt orchid
It depends how it works in 4, I need to test it .... Tonight !
I never thought it would come back tho, I was pleasantly surprised
Even if I don't like it too too much
I plan on replaying the side story in the future , every once in a while
I'll grow accustomed to it! I know i will!
sage jetty
wish that when i charged/swarmed towards the 7 weight object, 14 piks grabbed it but nooooo
only 7
also bulbmin should've returned
so i'll be giving it a 9.5/10
dense laurel
wish that when i charged/swarmed towards the 7 weight object, 14 piks grabbed it...
also when you add more pikis to the object when it's already in motion, they won't stop to let them catch up, it's pretty annoying. I have seen the treasure go fast enough to stay ahead of pikmin but still not max speed
bizarre change ngl
verbal rose
it's ||a side mission reward
you get it by collecting every musical treasure and...
OK glad I saw this, ||I wasn't really sure what the specific criteria was. I thought it was going to be one item you collect and not a whole series.||
verbal rose
||Thankfully, I've collected the majority of them so I'm not too far off from getting swarm.||
sage jetty
kinda lame how ||the musician is the only castaway that gives you something special from his mission
everyone else gifts you|| ||rocks||
verbal rose
||Yeah, it would be cool if you were rewarded with other upgrades from groups like the school club and the TV crew.||
burnt orchid
wish that when i charged/swarmed towards the 7 weight object, 14 piks grabbed it...
but that's what's good about it 
i kno we've disagreed on this in the past...
burnt orchid
also when you add more pikis to the object when it's already in motion, they won...
u have to throw them in front of where they're going........ i agree tho not my fav piki behavior lol
burnt orchid
also bulbmin should've returned
u mean glow pikmin 
verbal rose
Found this funny tweet (spoilers btw):
||https://vxtwitter.com/TheSneakySpy/status/1684224559484895233?s=20||
dense laurel
it feels like the QoL features help speed up some aspects while also interfering with others
again, why can't I toggle them
sage jetty
u mean glow pikmin <:smug_cross:891489810190049281>
||>game centers about the concept of non pikmin organisms getting pikminfied
no bulbmin or any enemy for that matter ingame||
burnt orchid
I'd kill for bulbmin
verbal rose
it feels like the QoL features help speed up some aspects while also interfering...
Yeah I do agree that it feels very hit or miss. Like at some points it's super useful, but other times when I'm trying to throw somewhere specific and it immediately targets a treasure or enemy.
burnt orchid
I don't like when the piki cant find a place to grab when picking up an object
they keep circling it
dense laurel
yeah that
dense laurel
clearly throw them at a treasure, but they ditch that and pick up random borb I killed
room tempreture IQ
burnt orchid
ditch it after giving up lol?
verbal rose
I was really having an issue with that on the final boss cave, specifically floor 1.
burnt orchid
oh and sometimes I can't throw pikmin freely when there's objects around... keeps locking onto the object
sage jetty
I don't like when the piki cant find a place to grab when picking up an object
throw a purple nearby when that happens
it dislodges the pickups
or winged
burnt orchid
dislodges? 
wdym
sage jetty
like when the things are stuck
dense laurel
ditch it after giving up lol?
I thought so, but nope. They sometimes just pick up lighter objects first just because 
dunno if glitch or I'm expecting too much from them
verbal rose
Also what's funny is that I never actually found Winged Pikmin until I was about to reach the final floor and said "screw it, I'm not going in until I find them"
burnt orchid
but i usually dont have purples 😭
but i didnt know, so ill keep that in mind
burnt orchid
I thought so, but nope. They sometimes just pick up lighter objects first just b...
weird
generally im a fan of the targeting system tho, more good than bad in my experience
u get a feel for it
dense laurel
It feels like having training wheels ngl
verbal rose
Honestly I think Pikmin 3 Dx is still my favorite in terms of control, ignoring upgrades.
burnt orchid
i kinda miss having 3 captains
i often just have one captain sit at base tho.
4 doesnt need another captain
verbal rose
It was really interesting how they made Oatchi half-Pikmin, half-captain. I think it was a nice, fresh take instead of adding another captain.
burnt orchid
yes yes, oatchi is amazing
at first i was concerned ngl
when he was in that first trailer
it looked like he could kinda do anything and everything, like what's the point of blue pikmin when he can swim and all that
dumb me
he ended up doing even more than it seemed he could do
but it's great because he can't do it all himself, def not all at once
verbal rose
Yeah, he can do a lot of amazing things, but he needs guidance from the player to string all those skills together.
tired quiver
rock pikmin utility is almost zero
you kidding ? rock pikmin make great contact damage
verbal rose
Also they don't get crushed on most surfaces
tired quiver
sorry carson i replied to you by mistake
verbal rose
No worries
sage jetty
you kidding ? rock pikmin make great contact damage
yes but they can't latch onto enemies so they take more time to kill and even then, once you acquire purples, their combat function vanishes
poof
just like that
the game needs more glass based enemies to give the player a reason to bring them out
it only has one that can be killed without them
they are made to break glass walls and that's all
dense laurel
also oatchi + 10 ice mins invalidate the existence of anything so ehhhh
plus you get that combo basically in the first area
dense laurel
sage jetty
think both winged and rock suffer the most in the game
dense laurel
wings are really good in the areas they give them to you, but otherwise no reason to use them outside of preference
rocks are good at killing but not the best, though I would say they get better if you do neglected Oatchi runs
sage jetty
but even then, you can probably reach most of pink intended targets with yellows
dense laurel
yeah that is true, wings excel mainly when you don't want to open up paths beforehand
they just fly over stuff
sage jetty
only sometimes lmao
their pathfinding is not as good as it was in 3
one of them left a butterfly corpse in an unreachable place and no piks can reach the spot
pink just goes in circles
burnt orchid
the thing is, you can't always have purples with you because it limits it to 3, for a large part of the game you can't even have 100 pikis 
dense laurel
I'm not saying Purples are king either lmao
burnt orchid
in pikmin 2, just have 5 purples to stun any enemy, that's enough time to kill it with the rest of your pack
but ofc you'd never just habve 5 lol
dense laurel
You think 5 purple pikmins could have stopped the Kennedy assassination
tired quiver
yeah i don't really like the 3 type limit
burnt orchid
purples still nerfed 
why do they slam downward if they dont even do extra damage
at least they're not actually broken like pikmin 3
tired quiver
i get why they did it but i don't like it
sage jetty
why they did it
tired quiver
it's so you don't abuse some types
dense laurel
purples still nerfed <:Luigi_Lost:1003567576946843678> why do they slam downward...
literally just to kill ||WaterWraith||
sage jetty
why did they go full sakurai
burnt orchid
it would have been cool to get a special onion to allow 4 types out at once 
tired quiver
i wanna bring reds everywhere i go but the game says no no no you have water spots and spots where you need high-jumping pikmins so only water ice and yellwo for you my man
sage jetty
it's so you don't abuse some types
you are still free to choose what you bring so you can still abuse one or two types lol
burnt orchid
I do get why they did it, it just limits you and makes you need to plan better - rather than having a little of every type for every situation
sage jetty
giving you access to all piks is best because then you'll have a bit of everything thus no color is forgotten
tired quiver
you are still free to choose what you bring so you can still abuse one or two ty...
btw uh when do they give you the purple and white onions
i'm at a point where i can basically do the final boss i think
and i still havent gotten those
burnt orchid
but every color gets to shrine stronger because you have to use some more
tired quiver
shrine
dense laurel
I do feel like the pikmin restriction gimmick is better for certain difficult caves and not for the entire game. It's what made the Submerged Castle unique outside of other factors
tired quiver
the water castle cave was weird cause clearly you'd be better off doing that cave without blues
dense laurel
Not saying the pik 4 areas are bad but they do feel weird being able to 100% on the same 3 consecutive visits. Not sure if I like this progression
tired quiver
there's no spots that require blues if i recall
dense laurel
the water castle cave was weird cause clearly you'd be better off doing that cav...
yeah but that's the point, at least that's how it was in Pik2. You have to improvise with the incorrect tools that are given to you
||and given how the englufed castle is a remake of the submerged castle, I guess that's still the same intention||
tired quiver
idk how you were supposed to beat the fiery bulbord melted guy but personally i just waited for ||the waterwraith to run him over lol||
burnt orchid
the water castle cave was weird cause clearly you'd be better off doing that cav...
wdym, isnt that the challenge? 
dense laurel
idk how you were supposed to beat the fiery bulbord melted guy but personally i ...
||You lure him into the water then rush him, since water douses the flames and blue mins can kill it, but yeah the water wraith method is more fun and thrilling ngl||
tired quiver
yeah but like, they offer you a choice to pick other pikmin right ? they suggest you take all your blues but it's not forced on you right ?
i mean i don't recall i just went in with the blues anyway
sage jetty
btw uh when do they give you the purple and white onions
ok so spoilers
click only if you're a needy, hurried, no curiosity kind of person
||After saving Olimar, you can access Olimar's Tale, a challenging side story mode.||
||Completing it unlocks the Elder Sage cave, a 10-floor cave where each level is a special type of dandori.
Completing Floor 5 gives you the white onion, Floor 10 gives you the purple onion||
tired quiver
ok so spoilers
click only if you're a needy, hurried, no curiosity kind of perso...
THATS WHERE YOU GET THOSE
oh that's bullshit !!!
dense laurel
yeah but like, they offer you a choice to pick other pikmin right ? they suggest...
I don't recall being able to choose either, but I already knew what I was getting into so I knew I'd be fine with just blues
sage jetty
oh that's bullshit !!!
sage jetty
depends on the dori
some can be a real pain
and then there's the ||kill 100 enemies in one minute||
sage jetty
heh
burnt orchid
and then there's the ||kill 100 enemies in one minute||
whats that
sage jetty
spoiler for hidden dandori
sage jetty
mhm
sage jetty
it is in the square room with the ||borb larva||
sage jetty
surprised
burnt orchid
im gonna go play
burnt orchid
Sad
Okay, there's a reason I don't remember. It's because I only got a bronze and silver in all these
Yippee, I get to play more Pikmin 4
sage jetty
burnt orchid
I thought 100% it
verbal rose
Oh yeah, this happened to me last night:
tired quiver
yeah no i think i wont pull my hair doing the final challenge
it can go fuck itself right off
pff oh wait you're supposed to buy all the fucking stupid oatchi upgrades and be completely broken to feasibly do this cave ? that's stupid
i don't wanna kill stuff in one charge
tired quiver
it's not a skill issue if i'm handicapping myself to make the game harder
if the game expects me to actually not handicap myself it can fuck right off
i'm not using the dumb broken dog
burnt orchid
I do the same thing in Mario with super mushrooms
dense laurel
getting platinum without all upgrades is hard, but I think it's doable
just gotta use your brain
tired quiver
yeah i'm not bothering
tired quiver
frankly this just turned me off the game i just booted up zelda
tired quiver
yes you're right i'm just mad cause bad
sage jetty
getting platinum without all upgrades is hard, but I think it's doable
you're not getting platinum on the challenge moz was in if oatchi can't lift 100 weight objects
you need two things to platinum it
tired quiver
yeah my oatchi can only lift 10
my oatchi is very underpowered and i never fight on his back
dense laurel
you're not getting platinum on the challenge moz was in if oatchi can't lift 100...
If there's a will there's a way
I'm built different
tired quiver
there is a way but i'm not willing to invest thousands of hours like soem speedrunner on crack to improve my run until i get platinum
not my idea of fun
my idea of fun is winging it and getting platinum on accident
tired quiver
yeah i figure
dense laurel
I've only gotten a platinum first try like twice
tired quiver
hey when i'm in the mood i'll barely pass it without any medal and come collect my two ||onions|| and just forget this thing exists
sage jetty
you need two things to platinum it
||buff oatchi||
||rng luck||
then again that's only platinum stuff
it's not hard to do the other medals
dense laurel
But the clout
the reward of being able to power through any challenge
this is... platinum-medal dandori
tired quiver
i hope you guys have been playing pikmin 4 with rumble on
the HD rumble i think is at its BEST with pikmin 4
wheat hinge
does pikmin 4 use the random ass camera in the joycon thats always on for no apparent reason
tired quiver
i swear when you walk in the mud or under the things that spout water... it's like, how the fuck do they do that
tired quiver
does pikmin 4 use the random ass camera in the joycon thats always on for no app...
don't think it does no
dense laurel
i hope you guys have been playing pikmin 4 with rumble on
My controller doesn't support rumble 
burnt orchid
just upgrade oatchi 
tired quiver
My controller doesn't support rumble <:Fat_Bloop:877798946016219156>
you're missing ouuut
burnt orchid
Working on getting platinums in all the secret dandori challenges
It's not easy
|| the one with 99 bulborb larvas wasn't as bad as I thought it would be ||
terse wave
Gonna get a pikmin plush which one should I get
granite vector
yellow
terse wave
Gonna take em swimming
pastel spade
Gonna get a pikmin plush which one should I get
Get this one
burnt orchid
I can't believe the burrowing snarrow was reference in Pikmin 4 and we still haven't seen it
What does it look like
burnt orchid
I finally 100% the game
The first non-lazy captain in pikimin history
This is what it does
wheat hinge
pikminless run
burnt orchid
I wish you could start over with all the upgrades
Because that would be so funny to try
tired quiver
spoiler for post game
wait ||the koppaites are relative of the pikmin 3 koppaites ?||
terse wave
Ye
sage jetty
finally reading the documents and stuff
they added the deep lore
can't believe pikmin was ||wall-e|| all along
sage jetty
also pikmin 2 and 3 weren't retconned
sage jetty
4 is truly pikmin 1 AU
terse wave
Pikmin 1 but Miyamoto put his dog in it
sage jetty
burnt orchid
how was pikmin 2 not retconned?
sage jetty
because the events in pikmin 2 have not happened yet
||Olimar journal mentions him having a dream about pikmin 2 plot, being the boss dealing with bankruptcy and louie eating the carrots, and olimar laughs at the whole scenario. But then Louie's journal reveals he actually planned and is waiting for the day the company gets a gold carrot deal to eat all of it, so pikmin 2 could still happen in this new continuity||
burnt orchid
|| i thought olimar and louie met for the first time in pikmin 2, president said space bunny incident was his first mission ||
sage jetty
||pikmin 4 states otherwise
with olimar saying if any employee had to be sent to rescue him, louie would not be his first pick 
||
burnt orchid
|| ok ok so it doesnt say in pikmin 2 they've met for the first time? ||
dense laurel
||Pikmin 2 mentions that this is the first time they are working together, but it's unclear if they've ever met prior or were aware of each other prior||
scarlet musk
Peakmin
sage jetty
i kno some people are saying || it doesnt retcon pikmin 1 either ||
||it can't retcon pikmin 1 because it is pikmin 1||
tired quiver
||idk how you can walk away from pikmin 4 and not recognize it's a retcon||
wheat hinge
||i thought it was an alternate start||
sage jetty
||it's either an alternate version or a reboot of pikmin 1||
||can't be a retcon of 2 and 3 if the game states those two have not happened||
onyx roost
||reboot||
tired quiver
||yeah yeah whatever what i meant is, pikmin 4 doesn't come after 1, 2 and 3||
tired quiver
opinions ? (original guy was talking about Man-At-Legs
wheat hinge
i dont think easy mode is the same as avoiding integral game mechanics
might as well just do challenge runs
tired quiver
i don't think ignoring oatchi is counted as a challenge run
we didn't have oatchi in the other 3 games and it was fine
exposing your pikmins to more danger is gonna make the game more challenging it's just a fact
wheat hinge
we didn't have oatchi in the other 3 games and it was fine
thats really weird logic
yeah we didnt have cappy for other mario games, dont use it
dense laurel
opinions ? (original guy was talking about Man-At-Legs
I mean let's not pretend Pikmin as a series is a stranger to challenge runs, so I don't think suggesting to not use Oatchi is completely out of the blue for Pikmin fans, especially veterans.
But I do also think there's comparisons to be made between Oatchi and Purples in Pikmin 2. There's no denying that Oatchi breaks the game and in some regards, telling people to just not use Oatchi feels the same as telling people to just not use purples or purple potions in Pikmin 2. I don't think the guy is wrong for feeling like this.
Also I agree with the first guy, give the Man-At-Legs a rocket launcher attack that nukes the screen 
tired quiver
i had never fought the man-at-legs before and fighting it without oatchi was terrifying
same for groovy long legs jesus i lost 64 pikmin when doing that fight they kept getting crushed under the legs
but that was fun
dense laurel
Older bosses in 4 do feel nerfed compared to their og counterpart. The Man-At-Legs moved faster and had more health, so using Oatchi as well really makes the bosses a joke
I can believe fighting them on equal ground makes them feel more fair and fun
sage jetty
if you played 2, Man is kinda disappointing because the one thing that made the battle have a semblance of difficulty was the pikmin running speed. If you ride Oatchi, you can press the target lock on and run circles right under him
no hit battle
they should've added a 2nd phase to catch people off guard
dense laurel
they should've added a 2nd phase to catch people off guard
Man-At-Legs entering the second phase and he becomes a giant volatile dweevil and you gotta run to the exit before he catches up and blows up
sage jetty
dense laurel
Oppenheimer cross promotion
burnt orchid
not using oatchi is like not using swords in zelda imo
if you choose to ignore game mechanics, it becomes less you vs the boss and more, you vs you
tired quiver
not using swords sounds a bit too extreme
not using shields sounds more apt comparison
burnt orchid
Sure
wheat hinge
(i wonder why)
tired quiver
(that was the point)
dense laurel
It's good that you can turn off Oatchi's and your own upgrades off (makes me wonder why that's the only thing I can turn off), but I do feel like the game's difficulty was not designed with Oatchi in mind
and honestly, even without Oatchi the game still feels too easy, save for ||getting platinum dandoris and the elder god tunnel challenges thing I forgor the name of. And I guess the Olimar thing at the beginning, until you get Moss.||
burnt orchid
|| fun fact, I did 90% of olimar's story without moss because i forgot to search the spot she was at ||
dense laurel
||Just elbow grease and your throwing arm, the way God intended ||
burnt orchid
|| i just dont like the walking back and forth and junk ||
dense laurel
||Also on the topic, I just wanna say. Some most ship parts getting replaced for random gears and bolts was lame. Very original criticism I came up with on my own btw||
burnt orchid
|| no ya i get that ||
sage jetty
did you all know every person at camp has unique dialogue if you talk to them as solo Oatchi
dense laurel
i never talk to anyone
don't remember how long it took me to figure out I can talk to a dude to replay doris
sage jetty
smh
shepherd even says after you unleafy people that you should check on them
bad rescuer
dense laurel
yeah...
sage jetty
sage jetty
so true
dense laurel
I love the dude who tells you to bloom flowers
red potions are busted and super easy to get in this game, so grinding that guy's mission over and over is so easy
burnt orchid
in pikmin 3, did it give them flowers?
dense laurel
I believe so
but the Burgeoning Spiderworts were never so abundant and close to base before
I would just dedicate 10 pikmins to stay by them the whole day while I did other things for a while and I ended up with like 60 potions of the stuff
only to just never use it because I never felt like I needed to
burnt orchid
dandori w
tired quiver
jesus cavern for a king sublevel 9 is brutal
you guys are saying man at legs sucks ?
tired quiver
how am i supposed to beat it with 32 blue pikmans
right yeah but i'm not using oatchi remember
sage jetty
do you have the rush boots
tired quiver
yes
sage jetty
then just hide behind the vases
tired quiver
they break before he stops shooting
sage jetty
alternatively
go to the floor entrance
boss won't pursue you if you're at the entrance or the exit
sage jetty
sage jetty
what happens
tired quiver
he becomes a stormtrooper
sage jetty
also while doing the hunting missions i went to the aquarium with 100 ice mins
freezing the entire level and running around feels nice
tired quiver
okay no that level is so so so hard
tired quiver
YESSSS
LOST ONE PIKMIN
OH THAT WAS SATISFYING
||SMOKY PROGG ?????????||
oh that was easy
sucks
terse wave
||Smoky Progg feels less threatening in 4 cuz there are a bunch of them (especially in the later night stages) and it was really scary when there was only one (I think idk I was too scared to fight him in 1||
dense laurel
||Smoky Progg is spooky but then I remember that Oatchi hits like a freight train ||
tired quiver
||even without oatchi he was joke||
tired quiver
floor 17 might be harder
yeah okay it's impossible without oatchi haha
not even gonna try
sage jetty
tired quiver
what the fuck is this level lol it's not even fun
it's buggy as hell
this passed quality assurance ?
love it when oatchi stops to drink nectar so she crushes all your pikmin
very fun and intentional
worst sublevel in the game BY FAR
glitchy as hell
tired quiver
oof that final boss is super hard
not a fan of the ||electric phase, kind of unfair||
tired quiver
yeaah people kept praising the music and uh it's okay
sage jetty
when it comes to final bosses, i'd say
3 >>>>>> 4 > 2 > 1
dense laurel
new music sucks ass, only good ones come from dandori levels
tired quiver
gotta say i did this final fight on oatchi's back
would have been too hard without him..
tired quiver
new music sucks ass, only good ones come from dandori levels
shipwreck tale has good music i feel
shipwreck tale really is the highlight of this game
sage jetty
gotta say i did this final fight on oatchi's back
would have been too hard witho...
his last phase can pretty much decimate your entire team if you're not on oatchi's back
tired quiver
as early as his second phase you cant do anything if you're not on oatchi
dense laurel
shipwreck tale has good music i feel
||it's good, but it's remixing the old games area themes. It's cool but it's locked to the Olimar mode and I feel like it robs the new areas of their own identity. Shame when even Hey Pikmin had good area themes||
sage jetty
best song in game plays on the checkpoint floors in cavern for a king
terse wave
So true
terse wave
||it's good, but it's remixing the old games area themes. It's cool but it's loc...
||Still doesn’t justify smash having more songs from Hey! than from 2||
sage jetty
so true
dense laurel
||Still doesn’t justify smash having more songs from Hey! than from 2||
okay but when did I say this
also no Bulbax Kingdom remix in smash...
sage jetty
nuh uh it's the theme during night mode when your towers are getting fucked
go do the cave and then you tell me 
tired quiver
||wait so Louie just gets off scot free||
||no repercussion no motive nothing||
||this game's writing blows ass||
sage jetty
wdym
dense laurel
better not be the ones in the secret zone
sage jetty
||this game's writing blows ass||
did you skip the part where ||not brittany beats his ass for stealing goo||
tired quiver
yeah but she only beat his ass for that
tired quiver
and not for the whole || uh fucking kidnapping people and being a weirdo and not actually doing his mission and... why is he doing the things that he does ??||
dense laurel
||I don't think he ever gets punished in any of the games, not even 2 where everything is basically his fault ||
tired quiver
||you can't explain everything with a "oh he's hungry||
dense laurel
He does kinda get flanderized from Pikmin 2 to 3. In Pikmin 2 he's weird and quiet, but not incompetent or unwilling to follow Olimar's orders. Then in 3 he's just this absolute menace and a burden to everyone
sage jetty
to be fair
he saw some non existant goop kidnap olimar and a giant monster demolish the only way out
dense laurel
Not saying he was never evil, just saying he kinda got more unhinged with time
like something in him snapped
onyx roost
Louie is actually extremely competent at doing whatever he does
sage jetty
louie panic attack scene
sage jetty
i mean
tired quiver
lol lost 618 pikmin total
sage jetty
are we sure he ||controlled them||
wheat hinge
Bro controlled ||two final bosses||
||wait is louie the final boss in pikmin 4||
dense laurel
||First one kinda made sense, since it's established that Louie has a long history of fucking around with bugs. Why is he controlling second final boss||
sage jetty
||wait is louie the final boss in pikmin 4||
no, ||he's hiding in the final boss||
onyx roost
||wait is louie the final boss in pikmin 4||
||Louie and his big dog||
tired quiver
||wait is louie the final boss in pikmin 4||
||he's riding the final boss much like the player is riding oatchi||
wheat hinge
||First one kinda made sense, since it's established that Louie has a long histo...
goofed around too hard
dense laurel
are we sure he ||controlled them||
||The ship in Pikis 2 explicitly states that he was somehow manipulating the titan dweevils brain||
dense laurel
||The ship in Pikis 2 explicitly states that he was somehow manipulating the tit...
proof from Pikmin 2
tired quiver
lol if you haven't completed the game 100% after the ending, game just time travels back to a timeline where someone's like "actually we shouldn't leave un-rescued castaways on this planet, it's fucked up"
sage jetty
real timeline
dense laurel
I mean it kinda is
onyx roost
Idk I think we should leave Norbert behind
onyx roost
Nope
dense laurel
Nope, just enemies
tired quiver
he wants to eat every treasure
this guy is fucked up in the head
my man wants to eat rubber and metal
onyx roost
Louie wants to eat you
dense laurel
that is what makes Louie great
sage jetty
read his journal
onyx roost
I love Louie
sage jetty
explains his goals
onyx roost
I wish he was real
tired quiver
okay nevermind i have warmed up to Louie he has the best treasure entries
Louie best pikmin character
wheat hinge
does louie still eat everything
onyx roost
I want to cook lightbulbs and car keys
tired quiver
does louie still eat everything
yes
dense laurel
I want to be a menace to society like Louie
wheat hinge
its ||louie again||
||wait i was joking||
tired quiver
Nothing and no one tells me what to eat.
Louie on the NES controller treasure
onyx roost
He was so real for that
dense laurel
It's implied he was treated badly by his grandmother in 2
she forced him to eat bugs as a kid
onyx roost
He probably liked it
wheat hinge
she forced him to eat bugs as a kid
i wonder how small those bugs were
at least from our perspective
onyx roost
Yucky bugs
sage jetty
read olimar's entry on the music player (memory)
tired quiver
Compact, with a tight turning radius
Louie, on Moss
onyx roost
A man has two loves
Cars and food
tired quiver
man it's so cool, the koppaites are related to the pikmin 3 koppaites
tired quiver
I thought you didn’t like em
I didn't say that I think
terse wave
Oh ok sorry
wise stratus
why doesnt a bulbmin plush exist
sage jetty
you can't convince me there are no bulbmin plushies on those sketchy sites like wish and the rest
sage jetty
wise stratus
actually
i want a figure
of a bulbmin
but not a normal bulbmin
a low poly one
sage jetty
burnt orchid
ive been wanting to buy an expensive industrial 3d printer to make stuff like this
sage jetty
i haven't seen anyone mentioning the biggest pikmin 4 flaw yet
||if you kill an enemy on an area surface, they will never respawn||
burnt orchid
ya i was wondering why they made that change
difficulty? || I liked how the other games changed the enemies spawns depending on the day , like some enemies were rare like the goolix||
sage jetty
almost feels like a so called liminal horror experience
something's off
expected something to jump out of the bushes
dense laurel
difficulty? || I liked how the other games changed the enemies spawns depending ...
Past games used it to it's advantage to encourage you to get stuff done so you don't have to clear the way twice, but now you don't really have that incentive
Especially now that you don't have a time limit
dense laurel
I now have every single platinum medal in Pikmin 4
now to like, actually finish the game
dense laurel
also this Pikmin concept art looks so cool
imagine if pikmin was more somber, like a dark fairy tale
sage jetty
did everything
now sad because pikmin 5 will take another decade
also i haven't seen anyone mentioning the darkest pikmin 4 aspect yet
||they left the sage dude on the planet||
sage jetty
yeah but ||he still was infected and they just shrugged and left him there||
burnt orchid
|| it's what he wanted 
||
sage jetty
||the crew forgot people with the leaves recover their memory after being cured 
||
burnt orchid
he was wise
dense laurel
God forbid men have a hobby smh my smh
sage jetty
they could like
||undo leaf and if he doesn't like it swoop back to onion||
easy
but noooooo
burnt orchid
|| but the cure makes you immune ||
dense laurel
||I mean, is he really in the need of rescuing anyways?||
terse wave
Gonna try and make a YouTube review type video about pikmin 1. What misinformation should I include?
(Also any funny gameplay I can do)
tired quiver
breaking the egg gives you 100 pikmin
terse wave
Oh yeah definitely gonna do that
pastel spade
That one is funny
tired quiver
pikmin can swim idk
dense laurel
Gonna try and make a YouTube review type video about pikmin 1. What misinformati...
Always attack bulborbs face first. The pikmin latch on to the eye stalks and stun them
blue pikmin are immune to fire since they are full of water
the pearly clamclams can't attack even when dead, it's just an animation they can't hurt you
same goes for wollywogs
terse wave
perfect
verbal rose
I would say that one misconception for Pikmin 1 is the need to sacrifice Yellows for the Emperor Bulblax. If timed right the Pikmin can actually throw the bomb into the mouth before the Emperor extends his tounge, having the same effect as swallowing the bomb if done right. It can be a bit tricky, but I've pulled it off once.
dense laurel
sage jetty
just make more yellows afterwards
burnt orchid
in the gamecube version, if a pik has a bomb and you throw them, they'll stay put but if you whistle them, they will drop the bomb
killing the yellows is just way easier 
they also feel the need to throw the bomb themselves
burnt orchid
guys which pikmin are optional to discover
like can u beat the game without getting certain types at all
burnt orchid
oops im talking about 4
sage jetty
quick guess
purple/white/winged/rock are not required
maybe yellow too
maybe even blue as well
you have reds which are essential during the early days
and then ice to skip the water areas
actually
you might not need ice at all
burnt orchid
see this is exactly what i was thinking too
dense laurel
Non of the pikmin are essential, just have oatchi kill everything in a cave and grind the enemies for their spark juice over and over
sage jetty
well actually
you do need one pikmin
good luck doing the night missions without pikmin
dense laurel
the 50 bomb rocks in my pocket:
sage jetty
the long legs in the garden:
dense laurel
the thunder and sticky bombs also in my pocket:
dense laurel
sure
but it's pikminless
eggs and respawning enemies like bulborbs can drop rocks too
and oatchi can dig up holes
20 rocks per day
sage jetty
uh huh
and how are you planning on doing the ones with two towers
all resources gone
triple punch is no longer useable
captain does no damage
dense laurel
eggs and respawning enemies like bulborbs can drop rocks too
.
only do them when I have the supplies
dense laurel
it's like those 8 hour Twilight Princess speedruns
dense laurel
thought it was a boss wall
oh well
Pikmin 4 pikminless any%
Tev you should stream it haha
burnt orchid
wait can u go in a cave without pikmin
dense laurel
yes
burnt orchid
glow pikmin, easy
dense laurel
the game goes "haha whoops, you forgot the pikmin!" but you can
burnt orchid
so engulfed castle is done with, just use glow pikmin seeds
burnt orchid
ah true
tired quiver
pikminless isn't possible have you guys literally not played through the tutorial
the very reason you have to use pikmin is because oatchi can't carry back treasures on his own
tired quiver
..you can't skip the tutorial lol
tell you what, you start that pikminless journey, ping me back when you get stuck
(you will get stuck)
dense laurel
Yeah yeah go back to not using Oatchi out of honor or whatever then play Zelda when the game gets hard
wheat hinge
Okay so Pikminless is possible
olimar after a pikminless run
terse wave
Ermm you can't play as olimar in pikmin 4 story mode 
burnt orchid
its def impossible with olimar
tired quiver
Yeah yeah go back to not using Oatchi out of honor or whatever then play Zelda w...
okay that's a great diss
wheat hinge
Ermm you can't play as olimar in pikmin 4 story mode <:NERD:1133092792676143114>
hes the only guy i know
terse wave
dense laurel
Pikmin 4 protag is strong
Pikmin 4 protag is a self insert character, of course they are strong. They are like the Byleth of Pikmin. Half expected them to say you were a descendant of a long line of war generals
terse wave
terse wave
Got platinum medal in all dandori challenges and battles. ||Maxed out Oatchi really trivializes the game. Only got the Sage Leaf trials left yippee… ||
dense laurel
Good luck! 
fossil steeple
Should I get Pikmin 4 for my birthday?
burnt orchid
idk, that's really up to santa
fossil steeple
No really, should I?
tired quiver
would it be your first pikmin game ?
dense laurel
Should I get Pikmin 4 for my birthday?
Have you tried out the demo?
tired quiver
this tbh
dense laurel
Also if you like RTS games or not. Not that Pikmin 4 is super hard or anything, but it isn't a genre for everyone.
tired quiver
i don't like RTS games but now i think i like pikmin games
rematched the groovy long legs in a second playthrough, lost 29 pikmin
tired quiver
oh that's nice, lost literally all my blue pikmin in the engulfed castle
okay
not resetting because i'm not a coward
dense laurel
not resetting because i'm not a coward
tired quiver
wait how am i supposed to get blue pikmans back
oh okay the onion gives me a freebie
dense laurel
I believe that's the case for any pikmin extinction
tired quiver
this game can be legit hard if you never reset and try to use Oatchi to a minimum
dense laurel
no doubt, starting that run myself actually
tired quiver
i'm also making a beeline for the lineup trumpet
dense laurel
I want to get the same expirience that you are getting, mind if going into detail?
tired quiver
uhhh sure
i only jump on oatchi to access high up areas
so like, only to jump
i do use oatchi as a second captain so i divide my tasks
dense laurel
Is the condition like, if it can be done without Oatchi then do it without him?
tired quiver
i'd say it's more... expose your pikmin to the maximum danger
because if they're not on oatchi's back then they're super vulnerable
dense laurel
right
tired quiver
you can use Oatchi as both a captain and a super-pikmin if you will but yeah straight up fighting on oatchi is the one thing i don't do
dense laurel
so like, treat Oatchi like a second captain (can't dig or carry stuff himself) and try to only fight with your avatar?
tired quiver
you can still make oatchi rush even when not on him which is very cool
dense laurel
noted
tired quiver
yeah no i use oatchi to carry stuff still
but i mean, do what you want, it's only my rules
to me inconvenience isn't difficulty
if oatchi is here, and he can carry something, then let him carry something
no point in being like "ah man i need 10 pikman right now but i don't have them"
but that's just me
dense laurel
I know I know, but I got intrigued when you mentioned not using him and I kinda want to do that too. Sounds fun. Figured you had rules and stuff, so I want to get the idea.
tired quiver
mostly boils down to not riding on him really
dense laurel
no point in being like "ah man i need 10 pikman right now but i don't have them"
And I was right to ask, I was basically preparing to endure this exact scenario lol
tired quiver
if you want to endure this scenario feel free haha
personally i just don't think that adds fun
dense laurel
okay then
do you have any rules regarding the russ items?
like avoid buying them from russ?
only use what you find
or nah
tired quiver
yeah so might be just me but i don't buy any of the scorch guard things
i do buy bombs but i limit myself and try to use them sparringly
i don't buy anything else in terms of one-use items..
tired quiver
yeah so might be just me but i don't buy any of the scorch guard things
by that i mean the four items that make your captain immune to things
i know scorch guard specifically is required for one cave but once that one is done i turn it off
tired quiver
yeah no worries
oh also, no clue if you're also making a beeline for the line-up trumpet but if so I can point you to where exactly the musical treasures are
burnt orchid
What is this Ochi challenge run consist of
No upgrades?
tired quiver
What is this Ochi challenge run consist of
No upgrades?
only riding oatchi when you need to jump to reach some places
otherwise fight on foot etc
makes the game harder
some areas like the final cave are straight up impossible without oatchi though
the final empress, and the final boss are just... i mean they're probably doable, but not in a no reset run lol
dense laurel
I know there's a music box in the 2nd and 4th areas, but that's really about it
tired quiver
I know there's a music box in the 2nd and 4th areas, but that's really about it
i can link you to that first https://www.pikminwiki.com/Soulful_Musician_Series
dense laurel
Pikmin 4 doesn't show you the treasures like in 2 so I kinda just forgot to look them up later
tired quiver
all areas and relevant caves are here
tired quiver
i did it a second time
i got a second blue extinction
how am i so stupid
yknow what fuck my own rules i'm resetting lol this isn't fair
..actually no let's not
let's power through
tired quiver
these bomb spiders they only appear in the engulfed castle
and i always lose all my pikmin to them
it's the third time
now if i had the lineup trumpet this literally wouldnt be an issue
nintendo give me my lineup trumpet
dense laurel
||I wish it wasn't locked to literally the last cave in the final area, where that cave is basically a boss rush mode where it's not very useful anyways ||
thank you Miyamoto, very cool
tired quiver
thankfully it's on the second floor technically
dense laurel
I suppose so
tired quiver
you can just go grab that final instrument and DIP OUT
dense laurel
I guess you don't have to 100% all the areas to beat the campaign
but still whyy
It's like when Sonic Colors took away basic moves and locked them behind timed power-ups
tired quiver
oh the game is generous
in caves they generate spots with 5 pikmin you can pluck
but like, they generate more if they see you're struggling
i appreciate that
sonic hatchBOT
dense laurel
I guess you could say Pikmin 4 is good for beginners
@hollow tulipubba if you are even reading this
I do wish the game was more balanced in terms of the normal playstyle
tired quiver
who's .b