Mario Kart Klub

[somber finch]

They all aren't canon if Mario roleplaying games aren't canon, one day maybe, but I would say Pauline and Diddy Kong are more likely.

[trail tartan]

I didn't mean for Wave 6. I meant for a Mario Kart 9.

Same as you did with Geno and Mallow.

[lusty citrus]

Off topic but i hope the new remake can give geno a chance to be in smash, i actually have hope for his moveset lmao

[somber finch]

Ah, but we haven't heard news of it yet, so it's still in development. What if neither game happens?

Mario Kart Live was technically Mario Kart 9, or rather we should be calling it Mario Kart Go, similar to Pokemon Go.

[trail tartan]

...wouldn't Tour actually be 9 by that logic?

[somber finch]

Only if Mario Kart Tour is not a spinoff.

[lusty citrus]

It isn't

[trail tartan]

...I'd say it's less a spinoff than Live is, at least.

[lusty citrus]

The 'tour is a spin off' thing has been a discussion i've been in many times

It's not

[somber finch]

If there's no Mario Kart Tour 2 would I call it Mario Kart 9.

[lusty citrus]

Definitely

[lusty citrus]

That would be like making an among us game when the og game exists and there is no reason for a sequel

[somber finch]

I'm saying Mario Kart Tour has the potential to be its own series due to it being a mobile game app.

[inland gyro]

that doesn't make sense

nowadays you make one game and you update it

why would they need a sequel

especially on phone

[somber finch]

Money

[trail tartan]

...err...I'm on Swift's side here.

Just cos a game can be updated doesn't remove the possibilities for sequels.

I don't play Tour, but I know for example that Sonic's got more than one endless runner as an example.

And Tour actually does have a decent hook for a sequel. 8's Anti Grav. Isn't that missing entirely from Tour and thus stopping 8's tracks getting in?

[lusty citrus]

EXACTLY

[lusty citrus]

What would a tour sequek be like anyway

I'd bet it would be mostly the same

[trail tartan]

I don't play Tour, so my only offering to answer that is 8 content. But I don't get why I need to have an answer. This question IMO limits a series' potential.

By making a cutoff line in what a series can do or be instead of being interested and open to seeing how devs do build that sequel.

[lusty citrus]

Couldn't they easily just add anti grav to the current game

[trail tartan]

That question, for the record, is why we haven't gotten new F-Zeros.

[trail tartan]

My response would be if they can, then why haven't they at this point?

[lusty citrus]

...cuz they want people to buy mario kart 8

[trail tartan]

Then why put the Tour stuff in 8?

[lusty citrus]

Because it has unique tracks and a unique gimmick

[lusty citrus]

Cuz, y'know...preservation and cuz some people don't want to play a mobile game with tracks you can't even play all the time

And cuz of this some people could also never play tour tracks if the game ever shut down

And y'know, the 8 dlc is basicslly using tour's originak resources and bringing them to 8 so they prob went "why not" lmao

[trail tartan]

My point there was more that if Tour could add 8's content and antigrav, it absolutely would have because 8 is the current Kart that EVERYONE is playing. Seeing ot's stuff in Tour would absolutely grab people's attention for Tour.

So there is either a technical reason why not or they are purposefully holding off on it. And I doubt it's to push 8 sales when 8 needs no help doing that.

Either situation sounds like ideal content to show off a Tour sequel with. And again, I don't play Tour. Just giving an example for what a sequel COULD have.

[lusty citrus]

I understand your point but then, some people wouldn't want to buy 8 which right now is nintendo's literal best selling switch game...

Altough maybe they could pull of a just dance now

Everytime a new just dsnce game comes out, they put the songs from the last gamr into just dance now

Would really benefit them a lot

[warped aspen]

Updated the Mario Kart series Tierlist with the new Wave 4 tracks:
https://tiermaker.com/create/mario-kart-series---track-ranking-1242308

[lusty citrus]

Nice, defo saving the link

I am a big fan of well organized tier lists with good image quality

Also wish there was one like this but for mario kart chars

[warped aspen]

Just keep in mind that the tracks are based on order of release so new tracks added to MKT will separate each BCP Wave (though it should only be a few tracks)

[somber finch]

I don't think Mario Kart 8 Deluxe is going to win with everyone though. Like I was saying earlier, I might just abandon Mario Kart 8 Deluxe after the Booster Course Pass ends since no additional content is scheduled, so I'm not going to get what I want in the game, which gives me less incentive to play because it will fall short unlike every other Mario Kart game before it.

[lusty citrus]

Noted

[somber finch]

If we can't have previous tracks in the game because it's just a dumping ground for Mario Kart Tour tracks, then it's not a winner in my book.

[lusty citrus]

Yeah...i guess a mario kart game with about 98 tracks, the biggest roster in the game (altough it's got a lot of clones in it but imo it's good), and some banger live music is going to fall short

I really disagree with this

[somber finch]

You have every right to.

I stand by what I said.

[lusty citrus]

But i guess i get your point

Altough, what will your favorite mk game will be by then?

[somber finch]

Here's my list:

(1st) Mario Kart DS
(2nd) Mario Kart Wii
(3rd) Mario Kart 7
(4th) Mario Kart 64
(5th) Mario Kart Super Circuit
(6th) Mario Kart 8 Deluxe
(7th) Super Mario Kart
(8th) Mario Kart Double Dash
(9th) Mario Kart Live (for now)

[lusty citrus]

Mario kart ds being at the very top and mario kart 8 deluxe being so low is uh

Yeah

[somber finch]

There's more to Mario Kart than racing on tracks.

[lusty citrus]

I've never been a fan of ds, it's tracks are...eh, SPECIALLY the retros, but it does have some of the best tracks in the game...the other modes tho?

DS might as well have the best battle mode but i am not a bog battle mode person so

[somber finch]

I'm not impressed with the limited Battle Courses selection in Mario Kart 8 Deluxe, like at all.

[lusty citrus]

I do want mission mode to come back tho

It's really cool

[lusty citrus]

...doesn't DS have about 6? That's less than 8's

Battle mode has NEVER been a mode with a lot of tracks

Highest you can get is wii with 10

Also tbh 8dx's battle tracks are much better than having to play on 8's

If i even had those...

(Altough i do think baby park would he a great battle course nintendo please make that a thing)

But i will admit that with 8's RIDICULOUS ammount of courses, the battle mode feels off

What i'd do with 8dx's battle mode though is add a few more tracks, atleast 2...teilight house and cookie land are in tour so they would be nice choices

[somber finch]

I forgot to mention, Nintendo is full of surprises right?

[lusty citrus]

Definitelt

Specially nowadays lmao

Mario rpg remake? So many unexpected characters in smash? New nintendo switch online releases? Would definitely say so

[somber finch]

You'll see some Battle Courses added. If they can bring Mario RPG Remake out of nowhere, they can fix Mario Kart 8 Deluxe. I'm saying I might not get the tracks I want if they get tunnel vision at the end and just add Tour tracks. Don't get me wrong, those tracks are cool, but it shouldn't take away from the entire game as a whole by cutting other tracks from the game was all I was saying.

[lusty citrus]

Wdym

Specially by the "cutting other tracks" thinf

[karmic tangle]

lol

[lusty citrus]

It's so crazy thinking that THIS was how originally mario kart 8 looked like

It went from an eh mario kart game with a weird roster and not the best tracks and a horiffic battle mode, to what it is now

One of the best selling switch games with about more than half the tracks in the mario kart series, actual bsttle tracks and a big and really neat roster, snd not to mention all the crazy crossover dlcs

It's like the sims 4 it started very eh and it evolved to be a great game

[inland gyro]

man yeah this game is quite insane

quite insane

i recall wondering about nintendo doing dlc for mk8

i always knew, selling a mk9 or whatnot would be a bad idea

i predicted a like, two packs, like on the wii u, just 16 tracks, new characters, new vehicles

lo and behold we got 48 tracks instead

that's just insane

[somber oak]

It's a shame Sunset Wilds doesn't have the sunset-moving-into-night gimmick, but if it's because of technical reasons, probably linked to lighting and/or how the skybox works in 8, I understand why.
I'm looking at the Wiki and see images of different course icons for Tour. Some show the track at sunset, some at night, which got me thinking of a possible compromise, which they could add to the Wave 6 update:
Why not add a night variant? Just like Animal Crossing's seasons, it could be randomized (or forced with certain input), with a 25% chance of getting the night variant or something. It's not ideal, but I think it's feasible.

They could even move the Shy Guy hazards to different spots to slightly differentiate the variants.

Also, if you'd count the seasonal variants of the Animal Crossing track and this night variant of Sunset Wilds, the track total would end in a nice, round 100.

[inland gyro]

this makes me sad

[warped aspen]

I wonder how people would have felt about the roster if we only got the Koopalings in 8DX, and we had characters like Dry Bones and Bowser Jr. in base 8.

[inland gyro]

first person to find the potted mushroom in squeaky clean sprint wins a hug

[trail tartan]

Doing the Grand Prixes now.

[timid shadow]

Same

200cc to be exact

[trail tartan]

Doing 150cc first still.

200cc, I'm kinda looking forward to for a couple of tracks...

[timid shadow]

Yeah I already did 150

Maybe I'm just rusty at 200 but some of these don't play great imo

[timid shadow]

Moonview Highway is not one of those tracks

[trail tartan]

I ended up lapping the CPU at Moonview Highway when I did 150cc, so that is one I'm particularly excited for. See just how big that gap gets. lol

200cc time.

Athens felts alright on 200cc.

[timid shadow]

I disagree

Too many big jumps that leave you in a bad spot if you're not prepared

[trail tartan]

Daisy Cruiser also felt OK for me, though a little tight on the exit to the ship's deck.

[trail tartan]

Really? I was usually lined up where I needed to go, outside of the stands of the arena on Lap 1.

[timid shadow]

Yeah that was the main one for me

The very beginning of lap 2 was kinda like that for me but I think I just got unlucky with items and how I lined it up

[trail tartan]

Moonview was a glove. Perfect!

[left lagoon]

was birdo always on the women of racing sign?

[trail tartan]

Also, I've just realised something.

[warped aspen]

Yeah

[left lagoon]

damn

[trail tartan]

Moonview is the only track that had Traffic in the game going both directions on the same road in 8 Deluxe, right?

Berlin also has incoming traffic, but my point is it's ONLY incoming or outgoing...

Whereas Moonview was kept as both directions.

[inland gyro]

i think so yes

[trail tartan]

OK, Squeaky's drain was wonky but otherwise there felt OK on 200cc as well for me.

[timid shadow]

Toad's Turnpike traffic only goes in one direction?

[trail tartan]

Also, neat tip...you can get to the upper path without using the boost from the toilet on 200cc. :D

[timid shadow]

After finishing Cherry Cup, I gotta say Koopa Cape and Vancouver work WAY better in 200 than I thought they would

[trail tartan]

Starting Cherry Cup now myself, so looking forward to seeing if I agree.

[inland gyro]

my guess is athens in 200cc is gonna be hell on earth

[timid shadow]

It was definitely the worst out of all of them in my opinion

[trail tartan]

Bman thinks so. One turn on Lap 1 aside, I actually found it rather smooth.

But I seemed to ace Athens asap when we were all racing, so maybe it just fits me perfectly?

[inland gyro]

man and to think rome avanti is quite similar to athens

can't wait for that too

[timid shadow]

I'll give Athens one thing, that final stair section works pretty well in 200. I'd imagine if you mess it up it would suck, but it feels great to do right

[trail tartan]

Restarting the cup. I'm getting WRECKED by items and thus can't judge LA on 200cc well from this run. lol

[timid shadow]

LA was pretty alright

[trail tartan]

My lack of apparent skill on LA aside, I think it's OK on 200cc but is actually my least favourite on the class so far.

Something I did find funny is Red Shells had trouble with the track just now on 200cc. None following me ever caught up and I had 3 red shells following me at the finish line!

Sunset was..alright. Did need the brake a few times, but felt easy to tell where the brake was needed.

And Koopa Cape did indeed work better than I expected too.

[inland gyro]

man can i say it

sunset was a waste of a slot

truly, i think it's one of the worst tracks in the BCP

they should've gone with something else entirely

[trail tartan]

...yeah, no. Disagree.

Might be my least favourite in the wave, but still hard disagree.

OK, Vancouver was nice on 200cc as well. Got bodied by items Lap 3 though, so redo for 3 Stars.

[inland gyro]

i mean if you're gonna bring a track whose gimmick is the sun setting over time
and you don't make the sun set ?
then what was the point of bringing the track in the first place

it's so boring it was the only thing it had going for it

and even that was nixed

so truly it is a waste of a slot

they could've brought any other gba track people would have been happy either way

[shell copper]

The thing that's caught my eye (or more appropriately, my ear) the most in this wave is the fact that Petey and Kamek have horn release sounds, which is mildly interesting to me - I'm fairly sure everyone from the base Wii U version has them, but the DLC Wii U characters (with the exception of Tanooki Mario, who reuses Mario's despite having an entirely different horn), base Deluxe characters, Birdo and Wiggler lack them. An entirely unimportant detail, sure, but one that I like nonetheless.

[inland gyro]

heck yoshi desert would have been better

[orchid shadow]

Current thoughts based solely on just doing the 50cc right now:

Athens Dash - Confusing layout, everything kinda blends together visually
Daisy Cruiser - Still a very fun map, love the underwater section
Moonview Highway - Unsure if it's because I've only experienced the 50cc version but feels less annoying than the Wii incarnation
Squeaky Clean Sprint - Actually a really fun idea for a Mario Kart track, there's something extra hilarious about the exploding toilet giving you a boost

Los Angeles Laps - Another quite fun one, quite liked how there was different 'environments' like the beach, the city, and whatever the dig site thing it
Sunset Wilds - Honestly it's a very 'nothing' map, shocking because Snow Land, Boo Lake and Riverside Park actually feel like something
Vancouver Velocity - Another solid one, get slight Neo Bowser City vibes at parts

[trail tartan]

3 Stars on 200cc now as well.

Will do Mirror another time.

[inland gyro]

man hmmm

i'm uh conflicted

the la laps remix, objectively, is a great song

but also.. removing the voice...

love the synth they added though

also this is BY FAR the biggest banger this wave https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-LCRhiV4Ik

the piano you can faintly hear in the background.. maaan

[trail tartan]

So...now time to see if I can do these backwards! Just cos. lol

Vancouver's going to be an easy no, but still going to go into it and try each lap.

Same with Athens and Squeaky.

OK...can't get Koopa Cape done backwards, but I see the way how for the jump back into the tunnel...

[orchid shadow]

Still think Lightning is the worst item in the game

[left lagoon]

blooper

[inland gyro]

boo

[left lagoon]

the only bad thing about lightning is it fucks up the music

other than that it’s simply a minor inconvenience

[inland gyro]

lighting is really good when you get it

one of the best way to catch up imo

[trail tartan]

I don't mind Lightning. Unlike the blue shell, it does actively help the player that got it really well.

It also nails 1st place and removes their defenses. On some tracks, I feel Lightning is almost required for 1st to be catchable.

Boo is great too. Like that item a lot.

I'm on team "Blooper is worst". Though I'm not a big fan of the Piranha Plant either myself.

[inland gyro]

i really don't like boo cause i keep getting booed when first place with a good item

but also i guess frontrunning is too easy in mario kart 8 so it needs to be harder ?

[timid shadow]

Y'know what I think Daisy Cruiser might be my least favorite

[trail tartan]

I mean...that doesn't label it a bad item IMO.

I get Boo'd often in 1st as well, but the USER of the Boo is getting a strong item that greatly aid them in pushing up the field.

[timid shadow]

I see the argument for Sunset but I've never disliked Daisy Cruiser so much, I think THAT'S the one that's a waste of a slot if it's any of them

[inland gyro]

hard disagree

daisy cruiser is great you just don't personally like it

[orchid shadow]

Blue Shell feels like deliberate targetting the opponent. Lightning feels like just yanking everyone's controllers out of the port but your own, regardless of your or their place

[trail tartan]

...that would be why he said "Least Favourite", correct. lol

Oh, wait. Just read the second message.

[timid shadow]

Yeah lol

[trail tartan]

None of these IMO are a "waste of a slot".

Daisy Cruiser especially. We need more Double Dash tracks!

[timid shadow]

I guess I'm saying if one was a waste of a slot, that's what I would pick

[inland gyro]

usually i wouldn't say any track is a waste of a slot but when you get rid of a track's core gimmick when implementing it, i say what was the point of even implementing it

like isn't that weird ?

you can't do justice to a track, just.. give up, do another track

[trail tartan]

Will say that IMO, the GBA track would've been better as Bowser Castle 4...but I also just want some Bowser Castles.

[inland gyro]

man yeah BC4 would have been the bomb

[orchid shadow]

Sunset Wilds feels underwhelming as hell

[inland gyro]

lol people are starting to call it "Wilds"

[orchid shadow]

How does it feel more generic than the basic 'Mario Circuit'?

[inland gyro]

oh it's rhetorical

i thought it was real question

i was gonna get mad lol

[orchid shadow]

No it's not rhetorical

Crap I forgot to rate Koopa Cape

Great track, albeit it feels weirdly shorter?

[inland gyro]

wait it totally does

something feels missing

i find it soooooooo funny how all mk7 wii tracks returned in the BCP

mk7 was such a banger they had no choice but to pick tracks from it

[jovial orbit]

Well it doesn't have the Sunset, which is kinda the main thing that was interesting.

[inland gyro]

tbf it's still set at sunset right

but the sun isn't setting

which BLOWS

[jovial orbit]

RIP Wuhu Island, neither track has returned

Imagine the final racer slot goes to Mii Suit B

[inland gyro]

yoo mii suit b

yo so i never understood mii suit b as a kid

what was up with that

and was there a mii suit c or did i get pranked

[jovial orbit]

Different costume because it wasn't like it is now with costumes after the first click. There were only the 2 in Wii.

[timid shadow]

Y'know what I think is weird? Last night, I could've swore the river section was anti-gravity in Koopa Cape. I think the blue sparks from drifting made me think it was anti-grav

[jovial orbit]

It does have different physics because of the water flow, but its not anti-grav. The tube is though

[timid shadow]

Yeah I figured that out this morning... I guess the water flow confused me even more lol

I was so confused like why is this anti-grav?

[inland gyro]

so disappointed by the tube btw

i think it could have been so much more

let me pull up something

welp can't find it but there was a mod that had a more antigrav-feeling tube

with like a bit of twist and turns

[shell copper]

Koopa Cape felt rather small to me. Reckon that it could've done with a bit of scaling up, especially for the tube.

[orchid shadow]

Can we melt Pink Gold Peach into ingots?

[halcyon arrow]

Yes

[somber finch]

Curious to understand why nobody likes Sunset Wilds.

[timid shadow]

Slippery, boring, short, removed the sunset that made it special

[orchid shadow]

Other Mario Kart desert tracks:

Sunset Wilds:

[somber finch]

Why does desert need things to be fun? It has the Shy Guys and the mud. Wait, Chocolate Island?

[lusty citrus]

Y'know

It is but

That concerns me

Cuz the next games have a chance of being smaller and not as hype

This also applies to smash ultimate

[lusty citrus]

It has a lot of canyon rocks, shy guy miners and puddles tho

[somber finch]

Smash Ultimate may be the last Smash Brothers if Sakurai isn't up for another. Mario Kart will continue.

[lusty citrus]

I mean i don't think the track itself is bad but the sunset getting removed ruined it for me

[lusty citrus]

Pretty sure they announced a new one in development

[somber finch]

Smash or Mario Kart?

If it's Smash Brothers, why did they say everyone is here?

[inland gyro]

see i'm not so sure

what followed street 4, the most content complete in the street franchise ?

street 5

was it bad ? yes, but eventually, it became good

nowadays no one plays 5 but no one is gonna say it was bad game

i'm unsure about the amount of content in it but it was still a good game by the end

and now 6 is out

and much the same 6 has less content than 5, nevermind 4

it's still excellent

i don't think we need to worry about the next smash or the next mario kart

• utimate and 8dx are not going away

chances are the next console is retro compatible, so

[lusty citrus]

Yeah i don't know anything about sf

Idk what to say

[inland gyro]

ah right

well uh i suggest you look up just, yknow, the amount of characters per game, or something

gives you an idea of the amount of stuff packed into it

[orchid shadow]

One of the other Mario Kart Super Circuits has rocks, puddles and Shy Guys but it also has ramps, an uphill spiral, a cave and a leap through a waterfall

[lusty citrus]

What is it

I forgot

Wait

[orchid shadow]

Anybody else think the ground in Waluigi Stadium looks more like chocolate than the ground in Choco Mountain?

[timid shadow]

Pretty sure Tev says that in the DLC reviewed in one sentence video

But yeah I agree

[slate obsidian]

God, this just looks WEIRD to me now

[daring moss]

Schaffrillas made a video on his Mario Kart 64 ranking so I'll do the same

[orchid shadow]

Banshee Bored-walk should be in a tier lower than F

[trail tartan]

After doing runs on 200cc and on Mirror Mode where I let the AI get a big head start and fought my up through the field, this order...mostly holds up, but I go back and forth on if I prefer Los Angeles Laps or Sunset Wilds now.

Will say it's sticking the same overall though.

[inland gyro]

hm

i've never tried giving them a head start

[trail tartan]

I tend to find fighting through the pack a bit more fun than taking the lead and usually keeping an iron grip on it VS the AI.

That's why I tend to do that for each track too.

[inland gyro]

for sure

in online front running is exhilirating

vs cpus it sucks

[lusty citrus]

My ranking would be like

Every single track going away

I mean

They're all low

Best they get is decent

[lusty citrus]

Can we talk about the ai in 64, though

And how rigged it is

[trail tartan]

You can if you want. I can't. Don't own Mario Kart 64, nor do I intend to. lol

[lusty citrus]

I guess that makes it better...? But i still don't like how older mk games habe rigged ass ai

[lusty citrus]

Mario kart 64 to me is probably the entire worst game in the series

[slate obsidian]

Boom

[lusty citrus]

It has horrible tracks, horrible controls, the items don't work in any way

The music is good but you can ssy that for a lot of mario karts so

But i do agree that the battle mode is pretty good

[lusty citrus]

Gosh i should make one too

[slate obsidian]

https://tiermaker.com/create/mario-kart-8-deluxe---booster-course-pass-ranking-871997

Here's the link

[trail tartan]

...eh, I'll quickly build one with only the Booster Course too to show, I guess.

[lusty citrus]

I made this one quickly, and it might have some wave 5 recency bias, but this is what i got

[timid shadow]

Here's what I got, thanks for the link Bubba

[lusty citrus]

I mean

This is nice

[timid shadow]

Same to yours

[lusty citrus]

Thanks, man

Noticed your kalimari's all the way at the bottom lmao

You either like or hate it

[slate obsidian]

Compare

[lusty citrus]

This

This makes me so happy

This game has turned so massive

[timid shadow]

Same with Ninja Hideaway

[lusty citrus]

Ninja hideaway might aswell be labeled 'tour dk mountain'

[timid shadow]

That's an interesting comparison

As in you either like or dislike DK Mountain?

[trail tartan]

Have tried to order the tracks within the tiers too.

[slate obsidian]

I did that too

[lusty citrus]

I love how nowadays this game's got more than half the mario kart tracks out there, the biggest console mk cast yet (and it's also very good too all it needs is diddy), and so much more great changes

[timid shadow]

I didn't put thought into ordering mine but maybe I could

[slate obsidian]

Right? We've come a long way

[lusty citrus]

And mk8dx's basegame was not my favorite

I got to say

I really don't like 8 nitros

And the retros are mosttly good but there's also some very bad ones lmao

And the initial roster was...

Depressing-

[slate obsidian]

Me neither. Some 8 Nitros are decent, but most are just "meh"

[lusty citrus]

But this game has came a loooongg way

[trail tartan]

I have very few F-Tiers in the series as a whole BTW. Only ones I'd say hit that rock bottom for me are Vanilla Lakes 1 and 2 from SNES, Toad's Turnpike and Rainbow Road from 64 & Figure-8 Circuit and GCN Baby Park in DS.

[lusty citrus]

They all feel so lazy full of split paths that are the exact same to each other ad not even using ant grav to it's fullest

[slate obsidian]

8's Rainbow Road is a contender for worst in the series

[somber finch]

I won't be looking at any tier lists, they just keep dumping on Sunset Wilds.

[trail tartan]

8's is a very low C for me.

[somber finch]

I thought it was alright.

[lusty citrus]

I hardlt disagree, but it isn't that good anyways

[slate obsidian]

Because it's painfully mediocre for a Sunset Wilds remake (ESPECIALLY compared to Ribbon Road's remake, which was another GBA course in the game)

[lusty citrus]

Sunset wilds atleast in gba and tour was like

A decent track

[somber finch]

Saying it's painfully mediocre is your opinion, not everyone is going to say that. Hot take...

[lusty citrus]

Bur since they got rid of ir's WHOLE THINF

THE NIGHT TIME CHANGE

It's midcnow

[slate obsidian]

Saying it's good is the hot take here. Most people agree it's mid as hell

[trail tartan]

Hot Take here. As a sucker for a orange sunset skybox, I'm not that bothered.

[somber finch]

I'm probably not playing the game after Wave 6 anyway if a big enough letdown occurs, this mediocre game, and it's lack of Battle Courses.

[slate obsidian]

Did you just say the game is mediocre?! Now THAT's just ignorant

[trail tartan]

I'd be more fussed about the fact we're not getting new Battle Course if I actually did play the battle mode. Not a fan of it being purely point-based.

64 and DS were the ones I liked most for Last Man Standing. Online, I'd get making points the default but I'd at least like an option for the style I like.

[somber finch]

It has been point based since Double Dash? I'm not 100% sure.

[slate obsidian]

I thought it was since Wii

[lusty citrus]

Bro says this game is mid just cuz battle mde has been left in dust lmao

[slate obsidian]

Right? That's pretty ignorant

[somber finch]

I'm allowed to have opinions.

[lusty citrus]

This game really contrastes wii's battle mode

Wii's got the tracks but not the ruleset

8's got the rules but not the tracks

[trail tartan]

DS also had an actually full knock-out system. Wii is the one it's been points only since (Plus, Wii forcing Teams was bleh too).

[slate obsidian]

There's having opinions, and then there's just nostalgia-fueled ignorance.

[lusty citrus]

I think that the current version of balloon battle's good

[somber finch]

Nostalgia fueled ignorance? Not at all was it ever about nostalgia.

[trail tartan]

Likewise, there is criticism for an opinion and outright attacking someone for their opinion. You're toeing the line a little here...

[lusty citrus]

Yeah it's okay to have opinions lmao

Not judging you

[somber finch]

If I wanted nostalgia, I would just play the old games. But I would appreciate if Mario Kart 8 Deluxe could please fix some very obvious oversights, like come on now.

[slate obsidian]

Sorry, it's just hard to see how someone could think this game is mid

[trail tartan]

OOI Swift, what's your favourite in the series? For me, it is 8 Deluxe. But wondering if my 2nd place matches up.

[slate obsidian]

Very obvious oversights? There's not any very obvious oversights! You're just being ungrateful

[lusty citrus]

Dude

Thing ks

He cares more about the battle mode

That is okay

[lusty citrus]

Brb, making another list

[somber finch]

This is how I ranked the games based on what I've thought of each of them Iblitazer.

[trail tartan]

Yup, you got my 2nd favourite in your first place.

[timid shadow]

Are those ordered Tev

[karmic tangle]

nah

[timid shadow]

Ok cool, good list

[karmic tangle]

lol if it was ordered, what would be out of place?

[slate obsidian]

Still tho, the rest of the game is FAR from mediocre, even if someone does prefer battle mode

[timid shadow]

Whenever I see tier lists I like to draw lines across the edge to make slopes

[timid shadow]

Nothing really I was just curious

[karmic tangle]

tbh it was hard even trying to remember the tracks

[somber finch]

No, it's not caring more about the Battle Mode, it's also based on how the game plays. My list is subject to change.

[slate obsidian]

What's wrong with how it plays?!?!

[trail tartan]

Before Swift tells you...can you agree to disagree with whatever is said?

Cos I get the feeling you will.

And I'd prefer we cooled off on his opinion of 8 for now.

[lusty citrus]

Here you go

[somber finch]

I've yet to like Mario Kart 8 Deluxe because of it's frenetic gameplay. It's an item spam from hell for the majority of its racing.

[lusty citrus]

Also this list is not ordered

[karmic tangle]

mario 64 nightmare? based

kart

[lusty citrus]

It's a horrible game my GOD

[karmic tangle]

[somber finch]

Now that's a hot take 🔥

[lusty citrus]

It isn't

[karmic tangle]

depends who you ask

[lusty citrus]

A lot of people know 64 for being only liked by people with big nostalgia goggles

Lmao

[indigo steeple]

mario kart tour above anything

[slate obsidian]

This

[karmic tangle]

some kinda consider it the gold standard, some boomers

same with SNES

[somber finch]

Why is nostalgia still being brought up?

[slate obsidian]

Mario Kart 64 has aged SUPER poorly

[karmic tangle]

bubba why is it so mindblowing that someone has a different opinion

[lusty citrus]

Mario kart tour doesn't deserve so much hate...look, i myself have played a ton of mobile games, and i think tour is like...pretty alright

[trail tartan]

Now be fair. Tour's likely better than Live at least. lol

[lusty citrus]

But it's not a game i would touch lmao

[indigo steeple]

but live lets you make anything a course

[slate obsidian]

Mario Kart Arcade GP DX best game

[lusty citrus]

Yeah if you have enough money time no kids no pets and an open space and enough money for the toy mario repairs

[trail tartan]

That's the issue though. I'm useless at designing a course! lol

[indigo steeple]

true but look at those graphics and tell me the game doesn't have ||soul||...

[lusty citrus]

64's graphics are just...look; i know we are talking abut n64 here

[somber finch]

I need Mario Kart Maker, not Mario Kart Live. Nintendo, get on that.

[lusty citrus]

But i have seen better looking n64 games lmao

[trail tartan]

No pets is debatably optional. Track hazard!

[lusty citrus]

Not by a long shot tho

[indigo steeple]

stylistic choice

[lusty citrus]

Heh, i guess that is true

[indigo steeple]

giant pets involved in the race is the best part tho

[slate obsidian]

I need to try Live

[indigo steeple]

bop the dog nose

[inland gyro]

ordered them somewhat

[somber finch]

I would like the ability to make Mario Kart tracks in the game, not real life Nintendo.

[lusty citrus]

Didn't some hot wheels game where you can make your own tracks get amnounced in the direct

[inland gyro]

yes athens is currently my favorite of the BCP i feel

[slate obsidian]

I live near one of the few Mario Kart Arcade GP VR setups in the US, so I need to go down there and try that at some point too

[somber finch]

Give me a background and track terrain theme and off we go.

[lusty citrus]

But overall i think tour's a good enough mobile game, it's got an interesting form of gameplay, it's gotten rid of it's gacha and it does have a nice niche fanbase (people will prob be nostalgic for tour someday that is scsry to think about), i think it's good enough

[slate obsidian]

As someone who plays Tour occasionally, I agree

[somber finch]

I play Mario Kart, it was never about nostalgia.

[lusty citrus]

Not like i'd play it though since well, i don't wanna play the p2w game over the big console game

[slate obsidian]

But it has Poochy tho

[lusty citrus]

YEAAAHHHH

Tour does have some good original content

[inland gyro]

it's hard to rank rock rock mountain this low considering it's my second favorite track in mk7 and my most wanted for the BCP

[somber finch]

But I'm more than likely to play Mario Kart 8 Deluxe over the others since I've never finished it.

[indigo steeple]

they should've ported the entire tour cast into 8 instead of just some courses

[somber finch]

I've finished all the others.

[lusty citrus]

I feel rock rock mountain is like

A really weird track

[slate obsidian]

You should, it's actually very fun to playthrough. Trust me

[lusty citrus]

Cuz i know a shit ton of people that hate it just cuz they stay still (cuz air speed is best when you stay still a lot of times), but soaring to the air that way even feels fun to me

[somber finch]

I've played Neo Bowser City in Mario Kart 8 Deluxe, very mid.

[lusty citrus]

No way

[slate obsidian]

I agree

[somber finch]

Mario Kart 7 did that track better.

[slate obsidian]

Neo Bowser City is very mediocre

I think any version of the course is mid tbh

[somber finch]

It's fine in Mario Kart 7 due to better driving physics.

[trail tartan]

Personally disagree. I find it a thrilling course to get the turns towards the end of nailed on.

[lusty citrus]

Neo bowser city is like

Really good to me

I see no way it's mid lmao

[lusty citrus]

Exactlt

[trail tartan]

I also really like the theming of Neo Bowser City too myself.

[lusty citrus]

Tight turns? Slippery road? Love it

[somber finch]

It's definitely not my go to.

[slate obsidian]

God, I just don't understand you. But I'll respect your opinion anyways

[lusty citrus]

All bowser tracks are usually like, castles and stuff

But a NEO FUTURISTIC CITY.

[somber finch]

200cc Neo Bowser City

[lusty citrus]

I am not a fan of being biased over track themings (specifically eith 8's nitros) but that theming is amazing

[trail tartan]

I don't fall off the track, so...

[lusty citrus]

Skill issue/j

[slate obsidian]

I personally think they could've gone EVEN FURTHER with it, that's the thing

[somber finch]

See you in Super Mario Kart.

[slate obsidian]

Like, it's kinda just every sci-fi city ever to me

[lusty citrus]

Eh

[slate obsidian]

I like sci-fi cities, but I've seen so many similar ones to Neo Bowser City b4

[lusty citrus]

Can't see it lmao

But fair ig

[lusty citrus]

You must be such a big master at it

[slate obsidian]

Also, I think they could've incorporated parts of the city into the course design

[halcyon arrow]

T-minus 4 hours!!

[slate obsidian]

Like, imagine having to dodge flying cars! That'd be great

[halcyon arrow]

Probably the hardest track in the game

[somber finch]

Speaking of, I should probably test out Petey Piranha.

[slate obsidian]

It's just too closed off from the city imo

[lusty citrus]

...look, i like hoe the track plays, bit habing to dodge cars with those tight ass curves sounds horrific

[somber finch]

Either that or Yoshi can't turn.

[slate obsidian]

Test out Wiggler too, he's fun. He turns red and gets angry when he gets hit by an item! : D

[lusty citrus]

Wiggly's size is just

[somber finch]

We only got one Mario RPG track in Mario Kart, but it's enough.

[lusty citrus]

W i l d

[lusty citrus]

Wait, we have

[slate obsidian]

Would you say that he's a ||Wild Wiggler?||

[lusty citrus]

Drum roll noises

[slate obsidian]

Eh? Eeeeeeeehhhhh?????

[lusty citrus]

HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAAHAH

[surreal bridge]

?

[somber finch]

||Grumble Volcano||

[lusty citrus]

Wait what

[surreal bridge]

Mhmmm

[lusty citrus]

OH YEAH

THERE WAS A PLACE NAMED THAT IN OJE OF THE RPGS

Forgot which

[timid shadow]

Isn't somewhere in a paper Mario game called Dry Dry Desert cause whenever I look up Dry Dry Desert Paper Mario shows up

[lusty citrus]

Yeah

Also a thing

[halcyon arrow]

ping me if you are up to participate!

[karmic tangle]

if they add goomba, i'm never playing as anyone else

honest question

what's so great about kamek? big yoshi island fans?

[daring moss]

Yes

Wait

[karmic tangle]

https://twitter.com/BoundaryBreak/status/1678962801052663809?s=20

Shesez (@BoundaryBreak)

You have no idea how big of a deal this is to me

Likes

1056

Twitter · Jul 12, 2023, 3:01 AM

[daring moss]

Uh

Idk

[karmic tangle]

also how does the ❗ not bother shesez on link

[daring moss]

I have the same thing

Never touched link :)

[lusty citrus]

Yoshi"s island is a weird game series

It's like

Nintendo's little baby's series lmao

Yoshi's island is like the most family friendly nintendo series out there

It's no bayonetta

My opinuon tho? Yoshi's island is a very hit or miss nintendo series

Cuz you got games like ds yoshi's island, wooly world and the og

But then there's stuff like crafted world topsy turvy and yoshi touch and go

Man now i wish wooly eorld was in switch-

Crafted world is NOT it

[karmic tangle]

so they're just yoshi island fans, thats why people love kamek

growing up, i didnt even really know kamek

and im not just salty there's no diddy kong in MK8

i knew kammy koopa better than kamek, but tbh i thought they were the same for many years

[slate obsidian]

I like him because I'm a big fan of sorcery and mysticism

Yoshi's Island definitely helps tho

[karmic tangle]

there's better characters they coulda added all im sayin

[slate obsidian]

Hard disagree

Kamek's a Mario mainstay

Besides, give the guy a break, he got snubbed from both 64 and base game 8 Wii U

[karmic tangle]

diddy

[slate obsidian]

Diddy's coming, and you know that

[karmic tangle]

i dont

[slate obsidian]

He's gonna be one of the last two, don't pretend like he's not gonna be

[karmic tangle]

is this your guess

[slate obsidian]

It's a pretty safe bet

[karmic tangle]

could be others

[slate obsidian]

That's true, but there's a very high likelyhood of one of them being Diddy

Not guaranteed, but extremely likely

[karmic tangle]

could be

lets say...

pauline and nabbit

[trail tartan]

You will get Goomba and Para Goomba and you will be happy with it!

[karmic tangle]

diddy and funky?

would they

[timid shadow]

Like ping you here or is there somewhere else I gotta go

[halcyon arrow]

here is perfect

What items should I ban

Bullet, lightning,

other than that are we good?

[timid shadow]

How many participants are there?

[halcyon arrow]

whoever comes!

I'll do one last announcement in an hour and a half

[halcyon arrow]

Add me for the Tourney tonight

[timid shadow]

I thought it was Saturday

[halcyon arrow]

I got the time wrong on the pamphlet my bad

[lusty citrus]

Pretty sure it's also due to the fact that kamek has not been her since 64, and he has gotten scrapped TWICE and people have always waited for him to come to a console mk game

[lusty citrus]

I would actually say no to that cuz he is mostly a yoshi's character, and most of his appearances in mainline marios are a few and pretty small, like how he had like a 1 second cameo at the start of galaxy

I so love kamek tho

He deserves being in this game

[slate obsidian]

Also my boy Wiggler didn't just release in 8 Deluxe today; he released in Tour as well!

Nevermind, I guess Wiggler drops in the second half of the Tour... laaaaaaame!

[urban musk]

https://tenor.com/view/wiggler-mario-gif-26666441

[lusty citrus]

I love how people went from hating to loving wiggler

[timid shadow]

It's... hypnotizing

[lusty citrus]

The thing is wiggler was a really odd and not needed pick in 7 due to it's small roster, but adding him to 8dx made all the sense

[slate obsidian]

At least they're doing a promo in Tour rn where you get 150 rubies just for logging in! I'll just save those for next week

[urban musk]

One of the better Super Rush win animations

[slate obsidian]

Fine! If I can't play as Wiggler in Tour for another week, then I guess I'll just have to become a Wiggler myself!

Reject humanity, become caterpillar

Btw, just played Piranha Plant Pipeline, and it's pretty neat! Though I find it weird how we're probably gonna get two Piranha Plant themed courses in the final wave of the Booster Course Pass...

[urban musk]

Bro got Wave 5 24 hours ago and already talking Wave 6

[slate obsidian]

Lol not my fault Nintendo decided to release a new Tour course today

Seriously tho, Piranha Plant Cove and Piranha Plant Pipeline are the only two Tour courses that have been officially revealed that aren't in the BCP yet

[trail tartan]

I trust you completely.

On a unrelated note, what's the capital of Italy again? Doing a quiz.

[slate obsidian]

Venice? Rome? Idk

[urban musk]

Rome

[halcyon arrow]

https://tenor.com/view/roll-safe-clever-think-ahead-reece-simpson-gif-14469436

When you have a geography test but you know your mario kart tracks

[urban musk]

Really that should be obvious.
Entire empire stemmed out of the place.

[slate obsidian]

But yeah, we're gonna have Piranha Plant Slide, Piranha Plant Cove, and Piranha Plant Pipeline all in MK8D. We'd just need one more Piranha Plant themed course to have a full Piranha Plant Cup!

[slate obsidian]

Not all capitals are obvious tho. California and New York's capitals aren't LA or NYC

[urban musk]

I'm not saying all of them are.
Just Italy's

[trail tartan]

Given what I was implying, I'm surprised you had to think about it.

[slate obsidian]

What were you implying? Rome for MKT? Why would we need that when we have Athens already? Rome literally just ripped off Greece wholesale, right down to their gods.

[trail tartan]

...Rome is already there!

[slate obsidian]

It is?

Since when?

[trail tartan]

Since a while ago! I didn't keep exact track as I don't play Tour.

[slate obsidian]

Nobody told me this!

I'mma look it up, what's it called? Rome Raceway?

[trail tartan]

Rome Avanti, I think.

[urban musk]

Rome Avanti

As an historical note as well, Rome did have a good number of architectural advantages over Greece.
Most famous example is the Aquaduct

[slate obsidian]

Not true, it seems to have been the previous Tour

June 27th 2023

[trail tartan]

That's a while ago to me.

[slate obsidian]

That's only two weeks ago lol

[trail tartan]

Unless you have the exact factual measurement of time a while is, then I am still right.

[urban musk]

Time flies.
People change.
We've all grown

Since I don't play tour, please tell me Rome lets you drive in ancient Roman sewer systems

[trail tartan]

Oh, and I'll need a source.

[urban musk]

Still regrettable there's no Moscow...
Putin ruins everything

[trail tartan]

Hell, I have evidence to suggest a while can be much shorter than 2 weeks! Folks going "Cya in a while" and popping up a couple hours later.

[trail tartan]

I would like Cairo most for one more City, but Moscow could have been neat too...could have...

[urban musk]

Cairo would be in 2nd place for me...though Dubai looks pretty cool

Rio de Janeiro would be cool but the risk of blasphemy might be too great for Mario Kart

[trail tartan]

I always personally only want one more Tour Original as I feel every Tour Original up to Wave 6 will be in the BCP. One more City gives us 4 left and I don't really want Wave 6 having less returners from other games than from Tour.

[urban musk]

If you're building 6, what gets in and should I already assume Wii Rainbow Road is on there?

[trail tartan]

Oh, if I'm building it then we're getting Airship Fortress, Toad's Factory, 2 randomly plucked tracks, 3 Bowser Castles and GBA Rainbow Road. So be glad I'm not building it.

If you want a more realistic try at it...Rome Avanti, Dino Dino Jungle, Airship Fortress and Piranha Plant Cove for Acorn...then a new City, Piranha Plant Pipeline, GBA Bowser's Castle 4 and Wii Rainbow Road for Spiny would be my build with a little logic...

Got no datamine knowledge, for the record.

And I know the SNES Castle is more likely. I also don't care.

[urban musk]

Rome Avanti Tour
Delfino Square DS
Wario Stadium 64
Bowser's Castle 7

City Track Tour
Banshee Boardwalk 64
Nitro Track
Rainbow Road Wii

That's going to be my guess, not necessarily what I want.
What I want would include Wario Colosseum, Maka Wuhu, and Bowser Castle 64

[trail tartan]

Honestly, what I'd love most from Wave 6 is a 150RCC and 200RCC. Would love to do the tracks backwards.

Bowser's missing castles and Diddy Kong aside, I'm sorted for tracks and characters.

[urban musk]

Still want some Pauline in there

[trail tartan]

But lemme race UP Mount Wario? Then we'd be talking...

Another thing I hope Wave 6 adds is 96 as a selectable number for races in VS mode.

[slate obsidian]

Wait, what about the two Piranha Plant courses?

[orchid shadow]

I hope Banshee Bored-walk doesn't come back TBH

[urban musk]

I honestly couldn't care less them tbh

[urban musk]

Honestly, same.

[orchid shadow]

There's a reason I call it 'Bored-walk'

[slate obsidian]

I thought that was your predictions and not necessarily what you want

[slate obsidian]

I never understood the hate for that course

[orchid shadow]

It's boring as hell

[urban musk]

They are.
And I couldn't care less if they got in or not nor am I projecting them to get in

[trail tartan]

I find Banshee dull too myself. Wouldn't dislike it returning, but would be a solid meh.

[urban musk]

I liked it better on the 64.
The lightning flash against the pure black backdrop gave a nice blinding challenge to a rather simple course.

The remake lightened up the backdrop so it was a lot more bleh

[trail tartan]

Figure-8 Circuit is the only track I actively don't wanna see really.

[slate obsidian]

They'll bring the Piranha Plant Courses in. They're gonna preserve all the Tour courses

[orchid shadow]

It's just a mess of 'bland'. Only unique thing it has is the 'mid 90's tech demo' castle. Even Banshee Bored-walk's music feels incredibly nothing

[trail tartan]

Are you saying Tour will stop getting new tracks after Wave 6? Cos if it didn't, then...minor issue.

[orchid shadow]

This is another track I hope stays the hell away TBH

[slate obsidian]

All the unique ones

[urban musk]

Wait...scratch my prior statement.
I forgot I put Nitro course on there.
Cove will make it in.

[trail tartan]

...yeah, I meant those.

[somber finch]

DK Pass?

[trail tartan]

For the record, I agree Bubba. Having a little laugh about that detail is all.

[orchid shadow]

Yeah, it's a worse version of the snowboard one, actively feels depressing to play on

[urban musk]

Feels like DK has more tracks on a snowy mountain than on a jungle island

[slate obsidian]

Which detail?

[somber finch]

I guess I'm the only one that considers it a favorite.

[urban musk]

Track doesn't even hit my top 50

[trail tartan]

That in order for the BCP to actually preserve all Tour's unique tracks, Tour has to get no more after Wave 6 at all. And I doubt that's happening.

[slate obsidian]

I hope that happens. I don't want any of them lost to the sands of time

[halcyon arrow]

Agreed

[somber finch]

I might have to leave this forum.

[slate obsidian]

Why are you so worked up about it?

[trail tartan]

I mean...they likely wouldn't be? Tour is established as being fair game for Retros now. So a future one could grab it instead.

[somber finch]

It's not very encouraging that every track I like everyone else hates.

[trail tartan]

I just think the BCP will grab everything up to Wave 6. After will still add more unique stuff to Tour.

[slate obsidian]

I never thought about that...

U right

[urban musk]

You're free to like whatever, man.
Doesn't matter if anyone else likes it.

[karmic tangle]

it's okay, different strokes for different folks right

[trail tartan]

My least favourite course in the game outright is Sky High Sundae. In contrast, one of my pals has it as their absolute favourite.

We still have a good time playing together on either's picks, so I wouldn't worry that much about it.

Hell, in a game with a huge track roster, I actually prefer racing people who all have a different set of favourites to those that argee with me. Cos more variety.

...unless they want Figure-8 Circuit. That's my limit.

[somber finch]

So you wouldn't be opposed to Mario Circuit 3, Sunset Wilds, or DK Pass?

[trail tartan]

That's not exclusive to Mario Kart either. Smash Bros, Crash Racing, Halo, Star Fox Assault...I like playing on many maps rather than my favs only.

[trail tartan]

Nope.

[somber finch]

Then you are the first.

I don't understand people that praise Mario Kart 8 Deluxe Boo Lake as a great track when it's not.

[trail tartan]

I'm actually the really odd one out IIRC where I like the sun not fully setting...mainly cos I'm a sucker for an orange sunset sky.

[somber finch]

I would prefer the Super Circuit Boo Lake.

[trail tartan]

There, we do disagree personally. So now, I flip the question to you. Would you object to my having picked 8's Boo Lake?

[somber finch]

Yes, I would. It's not fun to play on.

[trail tartan]

...well, then we've got a little prob as while I wouldn't oppose you picking DK Pass, I do find there dull myself. But since you like it, I'd let ya pick it.

[somber finch]

The same reason I don't want to play 8 Deluxe Boo Lake is the same reason people don't want to play 8 Deluxe Sunset Wilds. That is what I don't understand, can't all just play the damn game.

This nitpicking stuff isn't for me.

[trail tartan]

That's generally me too where while I have ones I'm eh to, I'm fine with racing wherever as long as others are.

But it'd need to work both ways for me. If I'm playing on tracks I find eh others like, then I'd hope they'd play on tracks I like they find eh too.

Again, me and my pals do that when we race. I accept them picking Sky High Sundae or Tokyo Blur as examples. And they are accepting me picking Snow Land or Paris Promenade.

Anyway, I'ma nap. Cya.

[lusty citrus]

Back

[inland gyro]

yesss they retro-actively made plant the rival for king boo in cpu races

that's so neat they didn't have to do that but they did

oh man that's cool

[inland gyro]

this game is weird

petey piranha reuses their trick animation from tour, but kamek doesn't

[karmic tangle]

Is it possible to do a Mario Kart manhunt
Where everybody teams up on one guy

The one guy being me, and the goal was to see if the one guy can win

[inland gyro]

oh that'd be very funny

i'm down

wait i think i had found a fun game mode too

everyone picks green yoshi
and after every race the loser of the race turns to orange yoshi

and then if an orange yoshi loses again they turn into red yoshi

and red yoshis are considered "out of the race" and their goal is just to annoy the other players

the winner is the last yoshi to be not red

[timid shadow]

I've seen it be done before

[karmic tangle]

I could win so easily

[inland gyro]

wonder if we could do like, teams in game

and place on guy in a team

[timid shadow]

Oh wait, that was hide-and-seek... still kinda similar premises

[inland gyro]

and the others in the other team

[karmic tangle]

Like a one person team?

[inland gyro]

yes

i'm wondering if the game allows that

[karmic tangle]

This requires further testing
I will conduct research later

[shell copper]

Just noticed something weird about Wigger and Kamek; they use differently coloured versions of the Peach Parasol glider, which previously only Daisy, Rosalina, and their baby versions did. Specifically, Wigger uses Daisy's orange version, and Kamek Rosalina's turquoise version. Bit odd, no?

[inland gyro]

i think someone explained it to wiggler reusing daisy's kart colors and kamek reusing rosalina's

it is very puzzling indeed

[woeful stump]

peeky............

[shell copper]

But for Kamek, that's false - he uses Lakitu's kart colours.

[shell copper]

That's me, hello.

[woeful stump]

😧

[jovial orbit]

Wiggler had a recolored umbrella glider in 7, so it makes sense it would return in 8.

[forest orbit]

Untrue.

[trail tartan]

Yeah, is only Rosalina, Daisy and Honey Queen that had a different colour IIRC in 7.

Honey Queen's purple one isn't in 8 at all, which is a shame...

[forest orbit]

I think it's a shame more such recolours don't exist in general, leaving the standard vehicle parts as the only ones that change for every character (ignoring the BCP characters and recolours). The Koopalings have unique colours for the Clown Kart and Landship, for example.

[jovial orbit]

Memory bad

[trail tartan]

Fun fact. IIRC, Vancouver is the first Tour City track to have anti-gravity.

[orchid shadow]

Huh, never realised that

[inland gyro]

makes sense, most cities don't have anti-gravity roads

but now i want to visit Vancouver's famous freaky bridge that goes sideways

[halcyon arrow]

If you do kamek pipe-frame mini wheels cloud glider your lame

Top City Tracks

1: Athens
2: Singapore
3: Berlin

[lusty citrus]

Oh my god i hate the new half pipe in LA laps

It's so janky

I always end up landing in the water on it wth

[lusty citrus]

They REALLY left the worse ones for the first 3 waves

The city tracks for wave 4-onwards are like

Awesome

[halcyon arrow]

Agree

[lusty citrus]

Worst wave 4-5 city track in my opinion? Probably bangkok

[halcyon arrow]

Actually haven't raced on that one

[lusty citrus]

It's a very good track but it clearly peaks at like lap 1

Oh? Is the dlc new to you?

[halcyon arrow]

🟢: you have booster pass

🟡: you rely on your pals online

[lusty citrus]

Oof

[halcyon arrow]

I'm loving the new tracks tho!

[lusty citrus]

Awesomee

Actually we have like 12 city tracks in the bcp

Almost 2 full cups!

[halcyon arrow]

Squeaky Clean feels like a ctgp track

https://youtu.be/KY-scdolDbI

[orchid shadow]

Is CTGP that one mod that has the really funny logo of a Blue Shell or something striking Earth while Mario gives a thumbs up?

Some real Particle Mario type energy

[lusty citrus]

Yeah in general like

A ton of the bcp tracks feel like custim tracks

The simple graphics and shit like the umbrellas in bangkok and squeaky clean make it feel that way

And i like it

Aktough i gotta say that these tracks are 10 times better designed than most custom tracks imo

A lot of them are pretty eh

[keen ice]

https://twitter.com/jpsupper/status/1679593465636700163?s=46

supper (@JPsupper)

https://t.co/Gd0ZVey6uP

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Honestly, I would be satisfied with this roster

I mean there is no Pink Gold Peach so I consider this a win.

[trail tartan]

Cutting the guest character feels off to me, given we have tracks or a battle course from their series in this game. I also feel this goes TOO heavily into the DK crowd.

[somber oak]

Why cut the guest characters, but leave the Koopalings?

[trail tartan]

Cutting out Baby Mario and Baby Luigi in particular feels very off too IMO.

[keen ice]

Also Dry Bowser was cut

[somber oak]

Hold up... What? WHY!?

[keen ice]

I wouldn't mind if Pink Gold Peach or 3 of the Baby Characters were removed

[somber oak]

Same with Cat Peach and Tanooki Mario

[keen ice]

I assume to replace him with Forman Spike?

[keen ice]

I guess they can be alts for Mario and Peach

I also feel like Geno, Fawful and Vivian shouldn't be playable characters. Not just because they are exclusive to RPG, but one of those 3 characters are Pretty much dead

[daring moss]

NO MORE BABIES

https://tenor.com/view/pikmin-blue-gif-11613932

[somber oak]

Baby Mario, Baby Luigi and Baby Peach appeared in several games outside of Mario Kart, so I think they're fine

[keen ice]

I honestly think the Koopalings are fine

I don't really mind them

[trail tartan]

Baby Mario and kinda Baby Luigi especially IMO if we'd be getting Poochy too and thus more Yoshi series presense.

I mean, if DK is going to end up with as much as I see there, then why cut Yoshi's?

[keen ice]

I would say there are a few characters that should be remove like 2 of the Baby characters, Pink Gold Peach (No Duh.) and some other clone characters like Tanooki Mario and Cat Peach

those can be alt costumes

But Metal Mario can stay, He has a gold alt which is cool to me

[somber oak]

Baby Daisy is dumb, but to have equal gender representation with the babies, sure, I get it.

But this just makes Baby Rosalina a more offensive inclusion.

There's something to be said about removing guest characters in favor of including a character partially owned by Square Enix

Most of these characters, I wouldn't mind. I have my fingers crossed for Nabbit and Poochie as the final two characters, though I know Pauline and Diddy are more likely. Most of these choices are cool, even the RPG ones.

But I can't agree with the cuts. Isabelle and female Villager are two of my mains.

Dry Bowser is my favorite heavyweight.

Baby Mario and Baby Luigi deserve a spot on the roster more than some of these choices.

[timid shadow]

I don't know, inklings aren't there, I think that automatically makes it worth it

[somber oak]

Hard disagree

I'm not a huge fan of them, though I like their Standard Kart skins, but a friend of mine likes them.

[timid shadow]

Yeah I'm not really thinking critically on this lol. The roster's fine now I'm just the #1 Inkling hater

I like all the characters included but cutting any characters in the game really isn't that sensible, save like Pink Gold and Metal Mario which could be palate swaps anyways

[keen ice]

Nabbit would honestly be a fun character in the game. Not only it’s been a while since he was in a Mainline game, but he is also a fun character

[somber oak]

It's a dream roster. There's no need to cut anyone from the roster.

If Nabbit makes it into the game, I'd be over the moon.

[keen ice]

I am a little conflict for some of the obscure characters like Wart, Mouser and Captain Syrup

[somber oak]

I'd love 'em. Should've included Tatanga as well.

[trail tartan]

Using MKTV to listen to the Wave 5 music right now. :D

[keen ice]

Tatanga does sound like a fun inclusion. It would tie into Daisy’s history and Sarasaland

[left lagoon]

it has everything i need

perfect

(vivian is everything)

[keen ice]

I could honestly see Dry Bowser be an alt for Bowser, much like how Tanooki Mario and Cat Peach can be alts.

[urban musk]

This roster change is Internet af

[timid shadow]

It has Mona, that's what I like

So wait, why are Toad and Toadette separated?

[trail tartan]

Because the image only replaced characters. Didn't rearrange them. Now, as to why they are split up in 8 Deluxe to start with...

[keen ice]

It would make sense if Toad and Toadette were into one slot

[urban musk]

They didn't want to go public with it yet but they are having relationship problems

[woeful stump]

i think if the character has more than just an outfit, its cool as a unique slot

tanuki mario and cat peach are on thin ice

having unique voice clips is cool

[timid shadow]

That's what I was asking

Why they were split in the game

[slate obsidian]

Trading Lakitu for Poochy, Nabbit, and Foreman Spike... I think I'd be fine with that. After all, I was getting tired of playing Lakitu anyways

Though losing the guest characters would suck

Also, Dry Bones was cut 😦

[keen ice]

https://twitter.com/gorgonzales_/status/1679889434173485073?s=46

We got another one.

WIGGLER’S STRONGEST SOLDIER (@gorgonzales_)

also, here's my take on what my improved/ideal Mario Kart roster would be like. did i get a little self indulgent in row three? (the answer is yes)

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[left lagoon]

way worse

[urban musk]

row 3 is self indulgent?
My brother...the whole thing is.

[keen ice]

I like Baby Yoshi, and yeah.

[karmic tangle]

ya because why have link when you can have wiggler with a hat

and yet no goomba

pirate captain from wario? what year is it

i bet you think person wants lloyd and isaac in smash 🔥 🔥 🔥

[woeful stump]

remove all the koopalings... alright

[somber oak]

My ideal roster:

Nuke the whole cast

Only add Nabbit

What's the point of having characters I don't pick

[karmic tangle]

good point

my ideal roster, goomba, paragoomba, blue goomba, goomba with a hat

[somber oak]

What about Goombario?

Unless he's the one with the hat

[shell copper]

Add Doctor Goomba Tower, and we've got The Roster.

[karmic tangle]

goombario, goombella, goomsworth, all of them

doctor goomba, builder goomba, girl goomba

[shell copper]

Don't forget Goomboss, who already appeared in Mario Kart as a boss in DS.
...so did Wiggler, come to think of it. And King Bob-omb, who's in Tour. ||Chief Chilly resurrection when||

[somber oak]

Galoombas and Goombrats, or are they not Goomba enough?

Here's an idea:

Cut the whole roster, except Link.

Add more Legend of Zelda characters.

[shell copper]

Every different incarnation of Link as separate playable characters?

[somber oak]

Don't change the Mario Kart name

[somber oak]

Sure. The more filler, the better.

[shell copper]

Wonderful! In that case, we can't forget the temporally displaced versions as well, like Ocarina of Time's Young and Adult Links. And hell, maybe even BotW and TotK Link as separate characters too - the arm and hair makes them different enough.

[somber oak]

If Baby Mario and adult Mario can be in the same game, so can Young Link and adult Link.

[forest orbit]

Do we have the different outfits, like Wind Waker's Outset Island apparel and Spirit Tracks' Engineer outfit, as separate characters too, or do we just make them alts? And if the former, would this mean that Triforce Heroes Link takes up a billion slots with the game's billion outfits?

[somber oak]

Outset Link will be an alt for Toon Link

[keen ice]

Should Toadette and Dry Bowser be alts for Toad and Bowser?

Just out of curiosity

[somber oak]

No

[trail tartan]

Spirit Tracks Link actually is a different one to Wind Waker's anyway IIRC, so...

[shell copper]

Exactly.

[somber oak]

Toadette is a separate character entirely and Dry Bowser is a different character on the level of Metal Mario, having started as another form that became its own entity separate from the original.

[keen ice]

Okie

[trail tartan]

You're making your own, aren't ya?

[inland gyro]

Dry Bowser is not a skin of Bowser

Hes just bones

[trail tartan]

...but Bowser is indeed a skin of Dry Bowser...make Dry Bowser the default!

[eternal violet]

oopsie

[keen ice]

I’ll be honest. I’m thinking of one

I’m actually thinking of Tatanga and how he could have his own Kart which could be his Battleship from Super Mario Land

[halcyon arrow]

I have yet to get 1st on Ninja Hideaway

[keen ice]

actually it just hit me. How can Poochy drive with his Stubby Hands.

[forest orbit]

How can Petey drive with his nub legs that don't even get close to reaching the pedals? How can the Villagers drive with their literal sphere hands? How could R.O.B drive with its entirely inflexible arms? It's Mario Kart, many of the characters driving don't make sense.

[keen ice]

fair point.

[urban musk]

I feel personally attacked

[karmic tangle]

it's ok, as an english speaker, my own comment offended me too

[lusty citrus]

So...it's a roster getting rid of babies, crossovers and clones

I like how mouser is in this concept

We need mouser back

Y'know, i love all the characters being added in the new mario kart dlc

But a thing i REALLY like from this addon is how with cpu races

It makes koopalings appear less and less

This games' cpu races were infected with them all arround but it's getting slowly better now

[lusty citrus]

To be fair though

All these dudes have some kind of arms

looking at people that want goomba in a game

[lusty citrus]

This happens WAY too often on 200cc

I hope they fix all the weird jank wave 5 tracks have, like the LA laps half pipe literally sendinf you off track

[trail tartan]

I mean, if Goomba can levitate a bat to play baseball with, it can turn the steering wheel too.

[keen ice]

I actually wonder if Foreman Spike’s Movie design is how he is gonna look for now on in the Mario Games. If he can return in the games.

[somber finch]

I don't think anything will be patched in Mario Kart 8 Deluxe. They might not feel it's necessary.

[warped aspen]

Been seeing all the Mario Kart roster discussions online and I, coincidentally, have been working on my own long before this so I'm just going to post this:

[shell copper]

Is Tunic Link still an alt of Wild Link?

[eternal violet]

finally one that keeps inkling boy

[warped aspen]

I go back and forth on whether Link keeps the tunic alt or remain consistent with botw zelda, though they proabably will since the inklings, octolings, and villagers do have alts as well

[keen ice]

I like this!

[keen ice]

I now have an idea for a Fan Roster.

[burnt spoke]

speaking of fan rosters

i made my own while having at least a little bit of realism in my expectations

[keen ice]

There really should be a Captain Toad alt

[shell copper]

I'd say at the very least, there should be coloured Toad alts. They and Koopas are probably the most notable multicolour species that don't've colour alts in Mario Kart.

[burnt spoke]

so true

[keen ice]

also Luigi’s Mansion King Boo is based.

[burnt spoke]

what do you mean luigi’s mansion king boo that’s just king boo

i simply replaced monarch ghoul with king boo

when is he coming to mario kart tour

[halcyon arrow]

One of my favorite tracks tbh

[inland gyro]

damn TIN kart lives ??

[trail tartan]

If we end up getting Hammer Bro or Paratroopa, I fully expect Koopa to gain alts alongside their addition.

I hope we don't get them though, despite the fact I'd switch from Anti Guy to a Blue Paratroopa immediately, because I feel Diddy and Pauline should be the last two.

[burnt spoke]

i would kill for double dash with the current roster

[karmic tangle]

It would be cool if characters had special items again, or at least they're more likely to get a certain item

I used to be against it but... It's fun

[woeful stump]

i love it conceptually but its awful for balance lol

make it a mode

they added custom items already, it would be cool if they added a character specific item toggle to it

[trail tartan]

Yeah, this. As a mode, I'd have no problem with it. But the way it heavily skewed character choices bugged me in Double Dash.

[warped aspen]

That's actually what I had in mind for the roster I made, 2 characters have a special item only they can pull natively.

At this point I should post the Google Doc on that new Mario Kart concept I have

[karmic tangle]

Mario kart is already not balanced

[daring moss]

They already have customizable items lol the answer is already built into the game

[karmic tangle]

Per character

Mario/Luigi gets fire flowers more often
Link, wario -- bombs
Petey, waluigi -- piranha planet
Dk more likely to go bananas

Bowser, Bowser Jr - bullet bill

Not that crazy right guys

In double dash, there was the chain chomp, you're not getting that in 1st place like

Gimme a break !!!!!!

[trail tartan]

My objection is more cos I didn't like having to pick specific characters for specific items. Even a heightened chance is eh to me.

I much prefer it being a standard set with same odds across them all.

As an option within rules though, I wouldn't object.

Will object to Link using more Bo-ombs, BTW. Give him the Boomerang more instead.

[karmic tangle]

Boomerang makes way more sense lol

Many characters don't have a clearly matched item tho

Yoshi -- red shells? But red shells are the best item

Birdo, kamek, daisy, peach, what items

Shy guy - coins! Haha

[trail tartan]

Kamek could be the Green Shell, as he can turn blocks into those IIRC in his boss battles.

[karmic tangle]

Ah yes

[trail tartan]

Or Lightning, as a nod to when he shrinks Yoshi.

[karmic tangle]

Lightning, I like that

1% more likely to get lightning 😂

[trail tartan]

Peach could have an improved chance of getting the regular Mushroom. I dunno...

[burnt spoke]

not gonna lie that sounds kinda boring. bring back the double dash special items‼️🗣️🔥

[left lagoon]

TRUE

[trail tartan]

I'm bleh to the whole idea of this. Just playing along a bit.

Again, I'd be OK with special items being back as an optional rule, but not the default.

[burnt spoke]

what mario kart gimmicks DID you like

no offense but you seem to not like the fun ones

[urban musk]

Not 0G.
Not because it's not fun, but because it's putting Mario Kart in the way of my next F-Zero game.

[trail tartan]

...only one I've said I don't like so far is the specific items for specific characters. Gimmie a chance.

[burnt spoke]

bikes

[urban musk]

But why do you hate literally everything?

[somber finch]

I agree with Tevlev, Mario Kart is no longer balanced.

[urban musk]

It's the most balanced its ever been though

[somber finch]

Mario Kart 8 Deluxe is by far the most unfair Mario Kart actually.

[burnt spoke]

wrong and untrue

let me introduce you to

mario kart wii item balancing

[somber finch]

Mario Kart Wii? How is that an unfair Mario Kart game?

[burnt spoke]

it was fun don’t get me wrong

but incredibly unbalanced

[urban musk]

Funky Kong + Bike

[burnt spoke]

that but also the amount of blue shells per race

[somber finch]

That's only because people cheat, I know you're referring to the Mushroom Gorge glitch.

[urban musk]

Not even the glitch

[left lagoon]

i like bike
i like anti gravity
i like special items
i like 2 characters

[burnt spoke]

it was even worse back then because explosions made you go into the air

[trail tartan]

I like the 2 characters in one kart for Double Dash allowing co-op. I like Gliding a lot. Love Anti Grav and the changing laps in 8 Deluxe. Halfpipes are a lot of fun. For how it plays, I like the idea of Tour's moment where you can spam an item. Mission Mode is an entire gimmicky mode I really wanna see return. Kart customisation's swell...

Actually, ignore all that. Cos I dislike wheelies and character specific items, I do indeed hate all.

[somber finch]

Mario Kart 8 Deluxe is unfair with its item spam on the other hand.

Too many item boxes.

[burnt spoke]

“7/10 too much water” type beat

i do kinda get where you’re coming from though

[trail tartan]

Wii had plenty item spam of it's own too, on top of Funky Kong being easily the best character with bikes being easily the best vehicles often with an inside turn.

So I'd say Wii's the worst balanced myself.

[burnt spoke]

the two item slots inherently means more items are thrown around

[somber finch]

It was much harder to spam in Mario Kart 64 and Super Mario Kart since you could only get 2 or 3 items per lap.

[urban musk]

Sure.
There were also processing restrictions otherwise the system would crap out if too many bananas

Also a smaller pool of items to choose from

[burnt spoke]

oh definitely but you gotta look at it this way; ass item balancing makes for a great game with friends

[urban musk]

unless your friends are try-hards

[burnt spoke]

i think wii might be the best one with friends

[urban musk]

I give that one to double dash

[burnt spoke]

like don’t get me wrong i think wii is mid-tier on its own but it’s pretty good with friends

[trail tartan]

Show me where I disputed that. Hell, that why I didn't like character specific items. Give us all the keys to the chaos.

[somber finch]

Good luck winning Mario Kart 8 Deluxe with less items.

[urban musk]

You actually have that power

By turning off all items

[somber finch]

Not in Grand Prix though right?

[urban musk]

In GP, nah