dnd-discussion

[reef tundra]

May someone cast sleep on us soon

[rough basalt]

Angry

[grand onyx]

I’m good thanks how are you?

[feral phoenix]

If only right

[grand onyx]

I got you gang XD

[reef tundra]

Aww no, what’s wrong? :(

[rough basalt]

Delayed restarting my Monday DnD game for a sports game just for my team to play the absolute worst game to end their season. So another week of only 1 game a week.

[grand onyx]

That’s so annoying omg :(

[reef tundra]

Oh no 😭

[hot marlin]

You know, there's one thing I really want D&D to bring back and it's the pettiest, silliest thing.

[feral phoenix]

[hot marlin]

Planar magic. Meaning that planes empower or nerf a certain kind of magic depending on the plane

[reef tundra]

I fw that

Yeah, they should bring that back

[warm summit]

I'd like to see undead get more drain skills again, even if it's temp damage to ability scores that recover with rest. Undead feel watered down, not scary mechanically

[hot marlin]

For example: It used to be that in the plane of water, your fire spells would be less powerful while all water magic was empowered

[rough basalt]

I like the sound of that

[hot marlin]

You would obviously need actual mechanical rules for what "empowered" and "impeded" actually mean... Maybe automatic upcast? Like, even if you use a third level fireball in the plane of fire, it still deals damage as a fourth level one?

Oh wait no. Automatic metamagic for empowered! Every empowered spell gets the effects of a metamagic you choose when you cast it, even if you're not a sorcerer. Every impeded spell... Requires a spell slot above what it would normally require?

Seems easy enough. Then you would need to actually list the effects of every plane. Which would be relatively easy.
The Shadowfell would enhance all magic that creates shadows, darkness, illusions and despair and impede all magic that creates light.
The feywilds would enhance all magic that creates emotions, charm, and all the prismatic spells while impeding... Uh... What would it impede? Divine magic?

Anyone has an idea?

[worn lagoon]

What would be the most profitable wizard specialization after divination?

[hot marlin]

For the elemental planes, it's so easy that I don't think it needs to be discussed. The para-elemental ones and quasi-elemental ones are more complicated.

[rough basalt]

Transmutation would be most profitable I think

[worn lagoon]

Transmutation?

Oh same thought.

[hot marlin]

Yeah, transmutation. Changing the shape of stuff can result in a lot of money. Not to mention the people willing to pay a lot to be temporarily transformed into someone or something else

Though... Might find yourself in a Merlin and Uther Pendragon's situation

[worn lagoon]

True

[hot marlin]

Which... You know. Squick.

[worn lagoon]

The specialization classes must simply be overbooked

[hot marlin]

There may also be a lot of money in necromancy. Lots of kings and lords of low moral characters might be willing to become the patrons of a necromancer and give them prisoners to experiment with

Bladesingers... Hard to imagine. In elven realms, you may be part of a somewhat chivalric order of bladesingers, but you may also be some sort of wandering beggar hero.

[worn lagoon]

I mean, they gain the performance skill, which according to RAW lets you live a comfortable life outside of adventuring

[hot marlin]

Yeah, a comfortable life. But not exactly part of the ultra rich

[worn lagoon]

What was the exact word? Wealthy?

[hot marlin]

Little money in conjuration though. Enchantment... Yeah, there's a lot of money in that. But not very legal. Evocation wizards would easily be drafted into the army. Abjuration wizards, like conjuration, would have more trouble getting rich. Illusion wizards could make a fortune in entertainment but that takes a bit of luck. Order of scribes is hard to say. War magic wizards would have an even easier time than evocation wizards climbing the ranks of the army and becoming officers

[worn lagoon]

Illusion is definitely up there

Divination probably sits comfortably at the top, given how much it's stressed how much people pay seers.

Well, not including enchanting shenanigans. Evil vizier stuff excluded.

[hot marlin]

Honestly I imagine that there's two main types of Bladesingers.
The ones who are part of an elven realm, part of an elite order, well taken care of, with important responsibilities.
And the ones who I imagine as essentially hedge knights who wander from town to town, defeating evil and when there's no evil to be defeated counting on hospitality and singing and dancing to earn some money.

[tame estuary]

you can tell by how they pronounce bladesinger actually

[hot marlin]

?

[tame estuary]

the joke is that I pronounce it as blade singe-er, as in you cover the sword in flames

[reef tundra]

Ohhh pronounced like singe-er

I get it

[knotty pasture]

Elven warriors in their own realms all seem a bit monotone aren't they

Its just Bladesingers and Arcane Archers

[hot marlin]

Don't forget the rangers.

And the paladins.

[past latch]

you never really see elvish barbs very much, atleast i dont

[hot marlin]

Probably some eagle-mounted cavalry. Or griffon-mounted cavalry. Maybe hippogriff-mounted cavalry.

[past latch]

now i kinda wanna play a ruined noble elf and make em a barb

for some reason all my characters are homeless

zero of them come from a stable background

[worn lagoon]

ancients paladins are an elven thing

[warm summit]

A lotta people have kind of a narrow conception of elves which isn't really a bad thing but it can be kinda limiting

[hot marlin]

Oh and druids. Lots of elven druids

[warm summit]

On one end of the spectrum you have that limited conception of them from fantasy media and on the other end you have it so watered down that they're just long lived humans with pointy ears

[knotty pasture]

Elves lowkey felt like they're built to be Druids

As the only race that has bow proficiency baseline, it allows Druids to actually shoot stuff early on

Without using darts/slings or cantrips

[warm summit]

In my main setting I kinda tried to give them a little more flavor by having them native to the planets moon and mostly absent from the world but leave the door open for PCs by saying there were about 6k refugees from the moon on the planet

[hot marlin]

Honestly, I give elves flavour by just going all-in on their Forgotten Realms lore and adding a few personal twists to it

[warm summit]

Ye, I think the personal twists tend to be important to make things feel distinct

What are yours?

[hot marlin]

Food. Elves can't digest grain but can digest raw meat. They can't practice large-scale agriculture.

They all are proficient with the bow because learning to hunt is a necessity. The things they eat are not things that can be conserved for a long time.

[warm summit]

Oh that's kinda neat

[knotty pasture]

Very fun

[hot marlin]

Therefore they tend to be predators in behaviour, not herbivores.

I've described the fact that if you turn your back on elven kids, their instincts are to pounce. Like cats.

So yeah. Basically make them cats.

[knotty pasture]

They do kind of behave like cats in a way, what with their natural elegance/beauty and aloofness

[warm summit]

Might also explain the low birthrates to an extent like they might have ingrained that in themselves/ their culture to avoid overhunting

[hot marlin]

Here, Elaine Cunningham quote about elves: I certainly didn’t set out to specialize in elves. But recently, I think I figured out where this pattern comes from. [...] As I was developing Samara, the cat character, I had a startling insight. Start with a cat; give her intelligence, weapons, magic, and art; allow her human height and stance; keep the attitude — what do you have?
The answer is, of course, an elf. Dip Samara in Nair, and the haughty little wench could walk around Evermeet without raising a winged eyebrow. So I suppose it makes sense for me to gravitate toward elves — I'm a cat person from way back.

[knotty pasture]

My personal headcanon in general is that most races in the dnd verse isn't actually that fertile, humans are one of the exceptions

[hot marlin]

Elaine Cunningham is a writer who wrote a lot of Forgotten Realms material. Of high quality I might add. I would go as far as to say that she's one of the best writers, maybe the best writer to have worked on the setting

[vapid scroll]

How’s this for an Assasian Introduction?

“Name’s Dabodi. Hyde Dabodi”

[fringe ledge]

In my homebrew, most race actually have almost the same lifespan. Exception comes down more to an individual rather than their ancestries. Average lifespan of each ancestries range around 80-150 y/o (only diffrences is in physiology of their body, elf appear to have age slower around 30 in term of appearances, etc), however individual of exceptional capabilites such as an arch-wizard, or legendary warriors that amasses a lot of vitae and magicae may live up to 500 or thousands of years.

idk if it make sense, but i made it on the go to solve a question my player ask why would an elf of 500 year old would be the same level as a human farmer that just started to adventuring. So all of them started on the average age of 20-30.

[warm summit]

Yeah that works, kinda has a neat quality of like legendary people achieving a kind of immortality too, like they become larger than life

[still plover]

That's my Zola!

[fringe ledge]

fr, because of this on-the-go hc i made, i can have variety of legendary long-living npc rather than them just being an elves or aasimar 🤣 I also have in-lore reason why human thought elfs live longer than them is because of the elf's "youthful appearances" despite their age, and this misunderstanding prolonged due to xenophobia and wars.

[vale sage]

is there like any form of lunar magic in dnd i wanna be a vampire girl with lunar magic

[hot gate]

There is the lunar sorcery subclass from Dragonlance
Also, druid circle of stars might work

[still plover]

What kind of things would you want to do with it?

[wanton wind]

Yeah, actually there is lunar-flavored magic in D&D, even if it’s a bit scattered. Moon druid is the obvious one, but there’s also a lot of moon vibes in certain sorcerer and warlock concepts, plus old elven/lunar deity lore. A vampire with moon magic sounds sick honestly are you imagining more ‘cold silver moonlight’ or eerie blood tinted eclipse energy?

[vale sage]

idk im new,,,

[still plover]

(Heck, I'm thinking cleric of light)

[knotty pasture]

That works nicely too

[fringe ledge]

twillight cleric can work too i think

[still plover]

A good first step might be to take a look through the classes and spells, see what's what.

It's often possible to change the descriptions of things as long as it doesn't affect the rules to get the flavour you want.

[warm summit]

What might be worth doing is just asking your DM to reflavor a lot of your spells to lunar stuff like if you cast hold person or something it looks like a beam of harsh moonlight is locked onto them

[fringe ledge]

at bone of the bone, you can always reskin the spells to suit your visuals.

if your dm allowed it, you can ask to change the dmg types, but even if they dont, reskinning is always a valid option. Just change the spells visual while still using the original stats of the spell

[reef copper]

Depending on dm you might be able to play an actual vampire. But keep in mind that by raw vampires are inherently evil.

More likely i assume you will get a homebrew race

[knotty pasture]

Let's go Dhampir

[hot gate]

Dhampirs are right there and the closest a pc species gets yeah

[fringe ledge]

for example, fireball, instead of shooting red fiery sphere of flame, you now shoot a glitter of hot moonlight that expand into a fiery moon-like sphere.

[warm summit]

See if they'll give you a cyborg horse too

[reef copper]

I guess you could call a damphir a vampire

[wanton wind]

That’s totally okay! Everyone starts somewhere. Honestly, Twilight Cleric or Light Cleric are both great beginner options, and you can always reflavor the magic as moonlight instead of sunlight. Just focus on the vibe you like cold, silver moon beams, shadows, eclipses and the mechanics can come later. Most DMs are happy to help new players figure it out.

[vale sage]

gulp,,, ion wanna be evil

[hot gate]

I'd also consider what books you're gonna be using. If you just play with the Players Handbook, the suggestions are going to be different.

[vale sage]

what about in baldurs gate 3 doesnt this server cover that too

[reef copper]

🦹‍♀️

[knotty pasture]

Actual vampires would be homebrew, literal vampires are unplayable at lower levels and even at higher levels its v annoying

[vale sage]

ohhh alright! thanks!

[hot gate]

BG3 discussions are mostly in #dnd-media

[knotty pasture]

They have the Sunlight Hypersensitivity trait that causes them to take 20 radiant damage per second in bright light

[vale sage]

why are they annyoing

[knotty pasture]

At level 1 your hp is no higher than 15

[warm summit]

Powerful but with annoying weaknesses like sublime said

[knotty pasture]

You just instantly die the moment the campaign starts unless its indoors

[vale sage]

oh,,, ion want that,,, wait from any bright light? like a torch? not the sun only?

[fringe ledge]

you cant stand on running water. Cant take a bath 😭

[wanton wind]

You’re welcome!
Moon vampire sounds like a really cool concept have fun with it, and don’t stress too much about getting everything “right” at the start. You’ll figure it out as you play.

[knotty pasture]

Torches are fine but yeah sun, the daylight spell (which is basically replicating sunlight) is not

[vale sage]

so i what class should i take?

[vale sage]

thanks!

[fringe ledge]

Playing Dhampir is always an option. You get the cool flavor of vampire without the drawback of being one 😄

[warm summit]

Tbh I think the dhampir suggestion was good. It's got a lot of the flavor there but is geared towards PCs

[vale sage]

also do people do text based dnd cuz i hate my voice

[vale sage]

whats a PC,,, personal computer,,,?

[vale sage]

wait what are they then

[fringe ledge]

Thats kinda correct. But in the context of dnd, its playable character

[warm summit]

Player character, and if you want text based look for play by post games

[vale sage]

gulp,,,

[wintry mortar]

they do its just kinda uncommon i think 😭

[hot gate]

Yeah, that's called pbp (play by post). People do it and you can find some examples on the DDB forums:
https://www.dndbeyond.com/forums/dungeons-dragons-discussion/play-by-post

[wanton wind]

For a beginner with moon/vampire vibes:

Twilight Cleric – easiest + very moon-themed

Light Cleric (reflavored) – simple, just call it moonlight

Warlock – spooky vampire energy, a bit harder

Best first pick: Twilight Cleric

[fringe ledge]

Half vampires sorta

[warm summit]

Basically human children of vampires

[vale sage]

alright tysm girlie!!

[vale sage]

ohhhh i see wait do i burner in the sun

[fringe ledge]

as dhampir, no

[vale sage]

alright lemme loost at it thanks

[warm summit]

Nah I can't remember the specifics but I'm pretty sure they don't take damage from it

[vale sage]

thanks!!

[warm summit]

They're also a lot less powerful but vampires are super strong and it's not real appropriate as a low level player character

[fringe ledge]

dhampir inherit the vampire looks, the thirst for blood, and ability to walk on wall but they dont inherit vampire weakness of sunlight, running water and can be heal normally. So you get the good stuff of vampires (except the regeneration), but not the bad stuffs (except if you want to roleplay the thirst for blood of course)

[wanton wind]

anytime girlie have fun with your moon vampire!!

[minor lake]

just ran a demo for curse of strahd w my brother and it went gr8

[minor lake]

moon vampires sound awesome

i guess all vampires are kind of moon vampires

[fringe ledge]

my curse of strahd campaign just turn into a sit com drama of Castlevania in the end lmao

[vale sage]

hmmm alright thanks!!

[minor lake]

honestly same
i ended up skipping combat and just letting him interact w different npcs and it's pretty cool the way the story kind of automatically happens as long as u interact with a few npcs

[wanton wind]

Right?? Yeah honestly, the moon kinda comes free with the vampire aesthetic night, shadows, silver light, all of it. Moon vampire just leans fully into the vibe

[minor lake]

is it a real race or just a fun thing?

[vale sage]

im gonna go human is that alr?

[knotty pasture]

Yes

[fringe ledge]

they have good rolls on asking why strahd is doing this, so i kinda made up a traggic villain story for strahd, and then went "holup, arent i just summarising castlvania?" in my head after i tell them

[minor lake]

would be cool if they were like more powerful under the full moon or smth

[minor lake]

FAIR

[wanton wind]

Mostly a fun thing
There’s no official “moon vampire” race.
Usually people:
use a dhampir (official lineage)
or a normal race + vampire flavor
or a homebrew if the DM allows it
So it’s very real in vibes, just not a strict rulebook race

[minor lake]

i think there is a lore tragic story for strahd but it's more his own ego than anything

ego and inability to cope with loss

man now i wanna play castlevania again

[fringe ledge]

if its in the original one, yeah it jsut his huge ego being a manchild with superpower imo.

[minor lake]

apparently in the OG tatianna is thrown over the balcony to her death and strahd watches her die and i think a campaign where that happens to ireena would be really interesting if unlikely

[warm summit]

I liked ravenloft described as "Hell, but not for you" like each of its little pocket planes with someone trapped in whatever their story is eternally

[wanton wind]

Yeah, that’s basically Strahd in a nutshell
Tragic start, but after that it’s mostly ego, entitlement, and refusing to cope like an adult just with godlike power layered on top. Makes him interesting, but not exactly sympathetic.

[minor lake]

like the same events 300 years apart

[still plover]

Only things I know come from the moon are wizards, and ghosts ("Moon's haunted").

[vale sage]

oh okay ill see!

[wanton wind]

Yup

[wintry mortar]

i did not know dhampir got added for vampire stand-in ... maybe one day there will be a playable illithid-adjacent creature 🥺

[fringe ledge]

||its more like tattianna was running away from strahd and jump off the cliff "rather die than spending her lifetime with strahd" type shi iirc. Since she doesnt love strahd, and strahd cant seem to accept rejection.||

[warm summit]

Mines got elves, frog people and, color changing pack hunting apes

[vale sage]

wait how can i punch people

[wintry mortar]

unarmed strike

[hot gate]

Suddenly, nautiloids

[fringe ledge]

woah, calm down there

[vale sage]

the idea of a sorceress getting tired of casting spells and just mauling on them is pretty funny

[vale sage]

*in dnd

[minor lake]

unarmed strike is 1 + strength modifier

[fringe ledge]

ouh. Then its unarmed strikes (using str modifier, unless if ur a monk, then you can use dex)

[minor lake]

epic monk

[vale sage]

can i do that as a cleric or

[minor lake]

any class can

[fringe ledge]

i think unarmed would be 1d4 + str? or is it wrong?

[vale sage]

les goo

[warm summit]

Might get a DM who'll let you do brass knuckles or a cestus to get that up to like low weapon damage at least

[vale sage]

so i can sell my starting weapon

[pliant sapphire]

Only with Tavern Brawler Origin feat

[fringe ledge]

aah i see

[minor lake]

with a martial arts monk , yes

but otherwise no

[vale sage]

also ion wanna use armour i wanna be a pretty lady with a pretty dress is that too hard or what can i do

[minor lake]

Unarmed Strike: Instead of using a weapon to make a melee weapon attack, you can use an unarmed strike: a punch, kick, head-butt, or similar forceful blow (none of which count as weapons). On a hit, an unarmed strike deals bludgeoning damage equal to 1 + your Strength modifier.

Monk Martial Arts feature, PHB p. 76:

You can roll a d4 in place of the normal damage of your unarmed strike or monk weapon. This die changes as you gain monk levels, as shown in the Martial Arts column of the Monk table.

[fringe ledge]

dhampir twilight cleric that punch people

[hot gate]

How your character looks like is largely up to you

[minor lake]

you can do it, it's possible to have a pretty dress with a high AC

[vale sage]

ion see dhampir in baldurs gate,,, gulp,,, should i have clarified that,,,

[warm summit]

Lol

[vale sage]

ill go for now buhbaiii people!!!

[minor lake]

bye!!!

[fringe ledge]

all the ebst and have fun on oyur dnd adventure

[knotty pasture]

Just play Astarion origin or use cheats to give yourself Astarion's features

[vale sage]

cant edit appearance with origin

[warm summit]

Supposed to run a game tomorrow and I'm trying to decide if 2 major quest hooks is enough

[soft sparrow]

how much damage would a viscious mockery do if you said The average white parent would still be disappointed in you

[fringe ledge]

im getting confused are you playing dnd ttrpg or baldur's gate 3 🤣

[knotty pasture]

Yeah use cheats to give yourself Astarion features ez

[minor lake]

what are they?

[fringe ledge]

I actually wanted to try a westmarch style dnd. Tho not in a big server. More like a smaller circle with 2 or more dm to rotate through schedule. Feels like its a chance for everyone to be a player and a dm and ahve a whole universe to explore together.

[warm summit]

Ah okay so the first one is an adventurer went missing a week ago looking for a treasure in a fort that's filled with explosive goblins, the second is a woman's husband was killed presumably by beasts (the area has a lycanthrope problem) but actually dude was abusive and the local coven took him out.

[fringe ledge]

combine both heh

[warm summit]

Lol well the beasts actually leads to its own dungeon, the "lycanthrope problem" is actually reverse lycanthropes, animals turning into people/ monstrous hybrids because of a cursed item in a nearby crypt

[silk hare]

just add like 1 more, and make it super obvious

[minor lake]

i think those are really solid hooks, esp with the way they lead to two different cool areas

[silk hare]

like would u look at that, a handing neon arrow next ot that door

[minor lake]

like "do you want lycanthropes or goblins"

explosive goblins lol

[silk hare]

you could have the the item be "set free" bc of the explosive goblins that ventured out

aka they blew up a wall in the crypt or sth looking for shiny stuff/ more explosives and uncovered a sealed section

[minor lake]

sometimes u need it. i had a spell written on a wall and i did not think for a second during planning that no player would think to say the words aloud

[silk hare]

lmao

Or, it could be bc of the brine the goblins live in (wink) that affects some animals in combination with the cursed item

like it got into the ground water and made them susceptible to the curse

[warm summit]

Yeah they always suprise you at the table. Had a piece of uranium ("death rock") players needed to collect at one point and like they could tell it was poisoning the people around it but didn't put together that they needed the heavy metal lined chest laying near it to transport it safely

[fringe ledge]

remember to tell the players that there is a single chair with them whenever they are in a room 😄

[minor lake]

its the slam dunks!!!!!!
sometimes it feels like it's the simplest solution in your mind and you have to make the npc be like "oi, do u have something a wizard might be able to read?" or something lol

thats the fun too tho

we got a spellbook last session and nobody read it

i literally had an npc be like "there's loads of cool stuff in there"

[fringe ledge]

I ifnd it funny that its so rare to find a party that are willing to fork out their gold to help a wizard buy and study a scroll 🤣 , but have no problem investing in their barbarian to buy a large iron sword

[pliant sapphire]

Do you have a wizard in your party?

[minor lake]

no i was honestly just thinking about giving one to whoever read it at some point
we have a warlock tho

[hot gate]

In my experience, it's often because for the barbarian that's a one time investment. You just know the wizard will want another fix a day later.

[minor lake]

i was going to give it to them initially

[warm summit]

Makes a bit of sense, the benefit of a new sword is tangible and comes into play every turn, a new spell is useful a couple times a day and situationally. Not saying don't help the wizard, just saying why I think it's an easier sell for the party

[hot gate]

"Just one more spell bro"

[minor lake]

bro investigate???

im gonna need that bro
what if we have to like... investigate

[pliant sapphire]

But its a wizard spellbook or a special spellbook that anyone can cast with it/read?

[warm summit]

I like putting weird stuff in rooms especially with npc wizards, like a journal of one of the PCs dreams

[fringe ledge]

but wont the spell be much more useful to the party as a whole, than one slug of iron? and, in the future, if they level up, barbarian will still want new gear. Of course the investment rate are diffrent, but so are the returns.

[still plover]

A PC wizard's spellbook "...can be read only by you or someone casting Identify." Just for reference.

I also recall flavour text from previous that a wizard's spellbook tends to be a very personal item and the way they record the details of their spells can be unique.

[warm summit]

Just stuff that will make them like really trip

[hot gate]

The slug of iron is getting used every combat, the wizards new toy may not come up for a while.

[minor lake]

i basically had a wizard make a copy from his spellbook of any spell that any player could use

[hot gate]

Or the classic "whoops, I forgot to prep that"

[minor lake]

one spell

he was like "yo i can make you a scroll"

i think they went w remove curse

[fringe ledge]

fr

given the wizard can make a spell they know to a scroll i think

[hot gate]

That's putting aside the rule that you can't even use a scroll unless it's on your spell list.
(or are a level 13 thief)

[fringe ledge]

make that a heavy ROI

[minor lake]

ya but we were mostly fighters and i wanted them to have fun magic

[silk hare]

could u link me that?

isnt it just to craft it u have ot have the spell prepared the entire time?=

[minor lake]

it was cool

[fringe ledge]

i rarely see anyone use that rule tbh. To a point idek that rule exist

[hot gate]

https://www.dndbeyond.com/magic-items/9229085-spell-scroll

If the spell is on your spell list, you can read the scroll and cast its spell without Material components. Otherwise, the scroll is unintelligible.

[silk hare]

thx

[warm summit]

I think deva is right but I ain't a fan of that, I like letting rogues use em

[hot gate]

I think that's definitely a fair approach, yeah.

It's one of the weirder rules to me.

[fringe ledge]

even in my campaign, i dont see reason to gatekeep scroll usage with that rule.

[minor lake]

i go acapella on a spell

fighter? i can read dat

[silk hare]

actually couldnt an arcane trickster rogue use all the spells a wizard uses?

[fringe ledge]

they have access to the spell list, yes iinm. They can learn from it.

[silk hare]

since they "share" the spell list?

I mean yes, they can only LEARN certain ones, but the spells ARE on their spell list

[fringe ledge]

but not sure about knowing the spell, i dont think they are

[warm summit]

I was kinda playing around with the idea of letting rogues/thieves rolling to use a scroll successfully but kinda like making it like d20 + their int modifier vs a DC based on spell level

[silk hare]

I think its more about people making scrolls over and over e.g. command scrolls for the entire party

its cheap and its op

[minor lake]

i like that too, i think it's a gift u have to give rarely

[fringe ledge]

thats a lot of prep time.

[minor lake]

bc exactly it is cheap and op

[silk hare]

I mean if u have the gold u can make one every long rest roughly iirc

[stiff jewel]

TIL WotC have gone back into every sourcebook on DnDB and changed all weapons retroactively to have weapon masteries...

[pliant sapphire]

Thief Rogue lvl 13 feature is an Arcana check (DC 10 + spell level)

[hot gate]

It was most likely easier to do it this way.

[warm summit]

Ah I'm not talking about 5e specifically, I don't play it anymore

[pliant sapphire]

But is super easy to cast with ir. Expertise in Arcana and a guaranteed 10 in the dice roll

[fringe ledge]

its crazy that battlesmith dont have weapon mastery as default when using weapon is their specialty among other artificer subclasses hahaha. Of course i understand they're artificer, but yknow

[fringe ledge]

fair

[stiff jewel]

I kind of wish 5.5e was the edition I had started with 12 years ago...

Would have enjoyed playing Monk a lot more.

[hot gate]

For me the transition from 2014 to 2024 was pretty smooth. Just slight tweaks to the same edition.

[remote wadi]

Would you settle for a Rope Trick?

[fringe ledge]

btw, does the core book explained how many free spell does the spellcasting class get during their level up? all i can remember is wizard getting to learn 2 spell for free every level up.

[reef tundra]

I’d take banishment instead

[stiff jewel]

I disagree, I find the differences between 5e and 5.5e larger than 5e and PF 1.0

[hot gate]

Every class says how it works, yep

[remote wadi]

Oof. That bad, huh?

[reef tundra]

I’d wanna turn my bedroom into a domain of dread

[silk hare]

depends on the class no?

[fringe ledge]

for some reason i cant seem to remember. do you mind list it down for a quick read?

[silk hare]

e.g. druids have prepared spells depending on their WIS mod

[hot gate]

Which class? Noting all would take a while

[fringe ledge]

sorcerer, bard, druid

nvm the druid, i just remembered they have access to their entire spell

[silk hare]

Bard:
You know four 1st-level spells of your choice from the bard spell list.

You learn an additional bard spell of your choice at each level except 12th, 16th, 19th, and 20th. Each of these spells must be of a level for which you have spell slots. For instance, when you reach 3rd level in this class, you can learn one new spell of 1st or 2nd level.

Additionally, when you gain a level in this class, you can choose one of the bard spells you know and replace it with another spell from the bard spell list, which also must be of a level for which you have spell slots.

Sorcerer:
You know two 1st-level spells of your choice from the sorcerer spell list.

You learn an additional sorcerer spell of your choice at each level except 12th, 14th, 16th, 18th, 19th, and 20th. Each of these spells must be of a level for which you have spell slots. For instance, when you reach 3rd level in this class, you can learn one new spell of 1st or 2nd level.

Additionally, when you gain a level in this class, you can choose one of the sorcerer spells you know and replace it with another spell from the sorcerer spell list, which also must be of a level for which you have spell slots.

[fringe ledge]

thank you Vyl8n-5E, Feel free to ping! I appreciate this very much

[silk hare]

xD

its just a heads up that most stuff I spew takes 2014 into account, not 2024 and theres some people who are against being pinged in a convo?

so yeh

[remote wadi]

Is this a Warlock joke I'm too Ranger to understand?

[hot gate]

You had the list ready, huh?

Also yeah there sure are. I'm one of them.

[fringe ledge]

the word dread and domain reminded me of warlock in daggerheart lmao

[silk hare]

always lmao

ight Ill kep that in mind, sry for the ping haha

[fringe ledge]

its useful, im sure there arent much changes to 2024 for these things. thank you again!

[silk hare]

depends, certain things have very substantial changes such as "find steed" 2014 compared to 2024

or even classes like the warlock

[still plover]

If we're chatting back and forth, no ping needed. I'm here, I'm waiting for your reply.

If it's been some minutes or longer, if I think you might have gone away but want to see it later, I'll tend to leave the ping on.

[silk hare]

Imo just ping me whenever, I constantly tab in and out or just start doing sth else haha, but I get why others would prefer it that way

hence the "feel free to ping", bc otherwise even if its been like a minute only I might not see it

[fringe ledge]

so as far as i can tell rn,

Wizard can learn 2 new spell on a level up

Warlock, Sorcerer, Bard - learn 1 new spell on a level up, and they can choose to swap a spell they already know for a new spell

Cleric, Druids - can access all of their spell, but only can have an amount of prepared spells equivalent to their modifier. Can change list of prepared spell during long rest

[silk hare]

yes, seems correct

[fringe ledge]

where doe paladin land into?

[remote wadi]

Is it okay if I dm?

[silk hare]

known

[fringe ledge]

oh with cleric and druid then? alright, so i guess that cover all the available spellcasting class? I assume artificer is in group 2 of the list ?

[silk hare]

nvm

You can change your list of prepared spells when you finish a long rest. Preparing a new list of paladin spells requires time spent in prayer and meditation: at least 1 minute per spell level for each spell on your list.

I was wrong, or in this case actually right? bc I meant it the other way as in "known spellsl only" but u took it the other way xD

[fringe ledge]

hahaha, it always a bit hard to remember this. and i know this is not the dm jobs, but everytime i run a short campaign there will always be a player taht ask me this and i will go "uuuuuuuhhh"

[fringe ledge]

feel like easier to track if i just group them with cleric and druids bcs no way i'll keep count the spell and 1 minute per spell level of each spell 😭

[hot gate]

Uh, depends with what.

[remote wadi]

It's tough to explain

[fringe ledge]

tho this give me the baseline ready, so thank you again Vyl8n-5e, Feel free to ping! 🙇

[hot gate]

Not helped with that all spells are prepared in 2024

even though it still works like "known" used to in 2014

[silk hare]

oh yeah apperantly in 2024 its jsut matched to the spells known haha

they dont specifically mention the stuff I sent in

they just make a distinction for e.g. sorcerer as to HOW you may change your spells/ when

[marble lion]

So how does cleric work

No longer able to swap spells every morning?

[silk hare]

same way, it just distinguishes between classes

e.g. sorcerer, you may change spells when u lvl up

clerics:

you may change spells whenever you finish a long rest

ofc stuff like "u have to have spell slots for that spell" is mentioned too

its just funny that they changed it to :

everythings prepared now, but nothing changes mechanically

[marble lion]

Is it called known?

[silk hare]

nope!

[marble lion]

What is it called then

[silk hare]

all spells for all the classes (that I looked at for now, so pally, sorc, cleric, druid) are just called "prepared spells"

as u are able to use them I guess

[marble lion]

Ok so it still is prepared spells

[silk hare]

yes

[marble lion]

Thats exactly what prepared means in 14

Where is the difference

[silk hare]

its more a distinction of wording

[marble lion]

If a cleric knows all cleric spells, but has to choose a number of them to have as prepared spells, that is exactly the same as preparing spells in 14

[marble lion]

Could you point out the difference in wording?

[silk hare]

e.g. 2014 sorcerer reads :

"you know"

wheres in 2024:

"you prepare the list of +1 lvl spells"

[marble lion]

Stick with cleric if you would

[silk hare]

again, cleric is not affected by this mechanically as they have the reset at dawn

[marble lion]

Because thats where the knowing vs prepared is very distinct

[silk hare]

clerics wording hasnt changed

they changed ALL classes to match the 2014 wording of clerics in the sense of "prepared spells"

so all the classes that had "known" spells, e.g. sorcerers, now have different wording

[marble lion]

Ah

I see
So preparing hasnt changed
Casters who didnt prepare have changed

[silk hare]

exactly

[marble lion]

Cool
It makes it more obvious that they have it ready

[silk hare]

yup

[rough basalt]

Ye I love the change for warlocks and sorcs expanded spell lists just giving you the spells instead of having to learn them

[hardy wharf]

hi

[burnt valley]

do DMs actually counts as players?

[knotty pasture]

Technically yes

[hot gate]

They're players insofar as they participate in the game for sure. They just follow different rules.

[burnt valley]

They have rules?

[stray lotus]

Yes and no.

[hot gate]

Sure:
https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/dnd/br-2024/the-basics

[polar quiver]

Yooo

[burnt valley]

Y'know what, now that i think about it, its kinda like one of those juggernaut gamemodes in videogames

One player plays an overpowered character whilst other players go fight said player

[hot gate]

Sort of, except the DM isn't playing against the players but with the players. It's a collaborative game.

[remote wadi]

So, to be clear

[next elk]

hello haiii peoples im new

[remote wadi]

The 4 main level 2 spells to consider as a level 5 Ranger are EA, PWT, Rope Trick, and Cordon of Arrows

[next elk]

@vale sage is my alt im on my main now

i was doing a uh twilight cleric build i think

[still plover]

?tag new cleric

[cosmic roost]

Cleric

Invoke divine magic to heal, bolster, and smite
Clerics draw power from the realms of the gods and harness it to work miracles. Blessed by a deity, a pantheon, or another immortal entity, a Cleric can reach out to the divine magic of the Outer Planes—where gods dwell—and channel it to bolster people and battle foes.

-# Suggested Standard Array assignment
Str. 14 Dex. 8 Con. 13 Int. 10 Wis. 15 Cha. 12

Likes: Gods
Complexity: Average
Starting HP: 8 + Con. modifier

[still plover]

But for actually discussing a character #character-discussion might be better.

[burnt valley]

whats EA again?

[still plover]

Enhance Ability: https://www.dndbeyond.com/spells/2619165-enhance-ability

[severe rampart]

Enhance Ability

[still plover]

-# Is there an echo in here?

[worn lagoon]

low level sorc spell choices were lowkey so painful esp divine soul

phenomenal spell list size, itty bitty learning limit

[burnt valley]

dont forget spike growth

[severe rampart]

Heh yeah, guess I just Echo'ed your words didn't I

[still plover]

You set me up, haha!

[worn lagoon]

goat growth, easily my favorite druid/ranger spell

[next elk]

im doing the uhh light domain for baldurs gate 3

[worn lagoon]

light and tempest are the kings of domains in that game

warding flare is strong

i'd argue it's much more effective at damage control than itty bitty extra healing from life domain

the channel divinity also sweeps through certain areas of the game

[next elk]

hmmm alright!

[worn lagoon]

its not much of a dps domain but it does get scorching ray and fireball too, both are good and fire is a good element for itemization

most notoriously broken for fire acuity hat

[next elk]

alright but if theres any mods for vampires and any that replaced ight domain with lunar domain pls lemme know or js moon magic in general

[remote wadi]

That is another good one, but I am a little stuck on which to actually take with me

Absorb Elements and Entangle are a must, so that means only 2 spells to choose from. The 2 I would do if possible are Rope Trick and Cordon of Arrows because Druid and Wizard would get the other 3 great ones

[burnt valley]

You could dump EA tbh, Bless can do its job but better

[remote wadi]

It is every roll type except attack rolls

So saving throws and especially ability checks will have advantage

[burnt valley]

But only for one stat attribute

[remote wadi]

Sometimes, 1 is all I or someone else needs, though

[burnt valley]

And the DM would simply do a check of another attribute (either from spells, environmental bs, grappling etc.)

[untold marsh]

Hi everyone 👋

[remote wadi]

With that said, Druid already has Spike Growth, and Pass Without Trace could be useful to pick up

My question is whether Cordon of Arrows or Magic Weapon is more useful

Part of me wants to say Cordon of Arrows

[burnt valley]

do u have a +1 weapon or silvered weapon already?

[worn lagoon]

there's definitely mods for lunar sorcery, twilight domain, etc. but none of them replace light domain

why would they replace light domain? those things exist already, they are their seperate things

[remote wadi]

Only on weapons i could use, but prefer to keep a side weapon

I.e. shortswords and crossbow bolts for a hand crossbow

So question is

Cordon of Arrows or Magic Weapon?

Druid has Spike Growth, Wizard will probably get EA

And I'm taking PWT

[severe rampart]

I feel like Cordon of Arrows is somewhat situational

[severe rampart]

Pass without trace is good

[remote wadi]

So magic weapon?

[loud tendon]

If you dont have a magic weapon already its a good choice. +1 to hit and damage you xould potentially do more damage with a sword than the planted arrows

Concentration is the downside though

[hidden spindle]

Throwing my hat in the ring with 2nd-level Spell: Silence ('24), Summon Beast (needs costly material), and finally, Lesser Restoration.

Magic Weapon in '24 has no Concentration

[remote wadi]

Perhaps. But I wouls also like not relying on saving throws. Already have a bad track record with Ensnaring Strike

[loud tendon]

Unless you are using 2024 rules then no concentration for magic weapon..

[remote wadi]

Paladin and Fighter in the party. Shouldn't be a problem

And this is 2014

We got good frontlines, I got good positioning and awareness

But easily my biggest weakness is luck

[hidden spindle]

What's your fighting style? Lucky feat can change that luck around... Archery Fighting Style increases your hit chance

[humble cairn]

Bless doesn't affect Skill rolls.

And Enhance Ability doesn't affect saving throws or attack rolls. The two spells have no overlap.

[remote wadi]

Archery. And I begrudgingly just took Lucky in hopes that I get some good protection from nat 1s

Ironic, if you think about it. Getting the Lucky feat to move luck from terrible to barely below average

[rough basalt]

One of the many spell changes I liked

[humble cairn]

Are we talking about your Gloomstalker?

[remote wadi]

Yes

[rough basalt]

Also iirc 2024 also added upcasting for it

[hot gate]

Yeah that and the better scaling was such a glow up for that spell

[remote wadi]

It's in 2014 too

[hot gate]

Better upcasting*

[burnt valley]

someone else could just guidance it instead of wasting a 2nd lvl spell slot

[remote wadi]

Ah. Not by too much, though

[hot gate]

Yeah the main upgrade for me was the removal of concentration

[rough basalt]

Guidance is only a d4

[remote wadi]

Not to mention is only a minute

[hot gate]

In my experience, the duration isn't a factor most of the time. People don't really use it in combat.

[remote wadi]

EA is advantage on ability checks and saves with the stat, smaller buff with physical stats, and lasts an hour

[humble cairn]

Yes, this is true, but you acknowledge that Bless doesn't do what you said it does in any way whatsoever, correct?

[burnt valley]

Yes

[rough basalt]

Enhance is better in certain situations

[humble cairn]

Ok, so that said, I like Enhance Ability for a few things. It's great for a whole scene of Utility and it's great for the secondary effects, which they unforutnately removed in 2024.

[remote wadi]

So, I was curious what to pick for my 4th prepared spell. Got Absorb Elements, Entangle, PWT. Druid has Spike Growth, Wizard will probably get EA

[humble cairn]

But in 2014 it works for things like Initiative and giving neat effects like no damage from a 20ft fall.

[rough basalt]

Like if you're dungeon delving, enhance dex on a rogue is gonna probably guarantee they don't fail any trap disarms before reliable talent

[humble cairn]

What level are you?

[burnt valley]

They said Lvl 5

[remote wadi]

5

Taking future levels in Rogue

[tawdry sentinel]

Enhance ability is good for charisma as well with the duration

You shouldn't really be able to spam guidance in social situations.

[humble cairn]

Sniper build, right?

[remote wadi]

Relatively, yeah

Investing a little into team support too

[rough basalt]

Ye enhance ability Charisma before you enter a social situation can be very good

[humble cairn]

2014 Rangers do not get Ritual casting, do they?

[remote wadi]

Paladin has 8+ more points in Chr

[rough basalt]

Cause guidance cast everyone in that situation is gonna see you casting a spell and that does tend to make things a bit awkward.

[remote wadi]

I wouldn't know what that is...

[median abyss]

They do not

[humble cairn]

The ability to cast spells with the correct tag as Rituals.

[median abyss]

Probably depends on the person and how you rp it

[rough basalt]

Ritual casting means you can cast without a spell slot if you take 10 minutes + the spell level extra minutes to cast it.

[humble cairn]

Sad

[rough basalt]

Not necessarily cause spellcasting is very obvious

[median abyss]

It is still obvious ofc

[rough basalt]

And its a touch spell

[median abyss]

But like if I see a cleric of Ilmater or w/e casting a spell im going to be chill especially if they explain what they are doing

[humble cairn]

Is Xanathar's Guide to Everything an available book? Zephyr Strike isn't bad.

[burnt valley]

thats too dm fiat

[rough basalt]

"Sorry, I'm blessing my ally so they can convince you to do something you might not do otherwise"

[knotty pasture]

I'd lowkey pick Silence, but Enhance Ability or Magic Weapon works too

[marble lion]

to be honest i feel like its not actually that big a deal though
youre not altering the other persons mind

when it would really matter is deception though

[remote wadi]

It is, but taking it is pretty lackluster. The largest bonus is no OAs, but that doesn't do much if you don't get close (plus CA Disengage when I hit level 7)

[burnt valley]

Still, slots shouldn't be wasted on social encounters

[rough basalt]

Resources exist for encounters

[marble lion]

for persuasion its like weird but for deception its a giveaway that something is "challenging" here

"wow why did you need a blessing to tell me you didnt steal the gold?"

[tawdry sentinel]

Zephyr strike is a great spell especially if you're taking the rogue levels to guarantee advantage for sneak attack.

[rough basalt]

I'd argue it goes into the deception territory if you're trying to justify using magic to manipulate someone else cause "I'm not actually manipulating you, I'm just making my ally better at convincing you"

[humble cairn]

I feel like being able to avoid OAs is pretty nice for an archery character and you can switch the spell out on a later level up.

[knotty pasture]

Well its not like its a debuff against the NPC, its a buff on yourself like how you're putting on hair gel to look more suave

[marble lion]

it goes into territory but tbh its like going to a job interview and having looked at coaching for it before

[median abyss]

"Im blessing my ally so he can communicate more clearly so we dont have a misunderstanding"

[knotty pasture]

But this is all DM dependent, though I think Bloodline's party does need someone with Guidance

[marble lion]

it really just makes you better at it. youre not illusioning anything

[remote wadi]

I just don't see the benefits much

[marble lion]

after all its only a d4

[median abyss]

Guidance is really good even if you're not using it in social situations

[humble cairn]

And you don't need to cover healing at all, right?

[median abyss]

You should have some form of healing

[marble lion]

its definitely out of place sometimes though

[hidden spindle]

I like having Lesser Restoration on hand

[knotty pasture]

Personally I think you can skip the healing in the context of Ranger but if you wanna pack Goodberry go for it

[median abyss]

You dont have to dedicate a party member to healing but you should at least have 1 or 2 people who can heal

[humble cairn]

You cannot always guarantee that enemies will not advance on your position, it's nice to be able to BA cast Zephyr to avoid those OA's and it gives you bonus damage.

[remote wadi]

The only times I deal with OAs are when I put myself in a bad situation (rarely by choice), but party is becoming more aware and independent with more levels and loot

[humble cairn]

I do generally have Cure Wounds on me as a Ranger.

[remote wadi]

That is true, but again, if they do get those close, I got plenty of options

[humble cairn]

It's not always needed, but when it is it's usually desperately needed.

[knotty pasture]

Well you have Rope Trick to make a run for it ig

[humble cairn]

For example ...?

[rough basalt]

You could argue its kinda like a magic bribery, but a DM would usually be in the right to make NPCs suspicious of magic being cast.

[uncut zenith]

You’re actively pinging someone who is requesting not to be pinged

[humble cairn]

Ok wow, that's really obnoxious.

[marble lion]

except its not bribery at all

[tawdry sentinel]

If it's ranger, your save dcs are probably bad.

It's free damage, it gets you out of trouble, guarantees sneak attack on the rogue side. Let's you ignore disadvantage for someone using dodge or fog cloud and all that malarkey.

It's a 9/10 spell in actual play. I dunno if you have used it or you're just reading what it does.

[knotty pasture]

Mods put coal in his stockings

[remote wadi]

Entangle, Disengage, swap to dual shortswords, Rope Trick in a really bad situation

[remote wadi]

Which saves?

[rough basalt]

My point is, you wanna use magic in front of npcs? Be prepared for consequences.

[marble lion]

agreed

[humble cairn]

Rope Trick in the middle of combat? That doesn't seem like it would work for too long.

[rough basalt]

Now you could argue that "I'm blessing my ally so their stutter problem doesn't make your negotiations draw on for too long" that I'd probably allow a check of your own for.

[remote wadi]

More like casting it before and then retreating to it

[humble cairn]

Your spellcasting save DC, as in the strength of your Entangles, etc.

[tawdry sentinel]

For stuff like entangle or any of the many charm spells ranger gets. You're probably not going 20 wisdom before Dex is up.

So your save DC will be a bit eh.

Spells that buff you and don't really care about what the enemy has going on are typically better on a ranger.

[burnt valley]

Nothing stops you from peeking out of the portal and attack then retreat

[rough basalt]

But mostly I do enjoy catching people offguard when they find out that casting magic in front of people is not always a good idea.

[remote wadi]

Current DC is... 15

[burnt valley]

I wanna see more players do a "Gotcha" moment at the DMs

[rough basalt]

Definitely depends on the magic tho

Like a Wizard having a mage hand bring his beer to him is likely only gonna draw a chuckle or a "huh that's cool"

[remote wadi]

I do have options, obviously not good ones because my luck is awful

But taking a spell to counter that exact situation isn't really the best idea. My prepared spell limit will likely stay 4 for the rest of the campaign

[humble cairn]

Zephyr Strike is pretty much better than all of these with the added benefit of being a flexible offense and defense spell, but if you don't want it, that's fine. In my experience it's good, but you don't have to listen to me.

[remote wadi]

For that situation, undeniably. But it is somewhat niche if I play my cards right

[rough basalt]

But if it's like a tense conflict about to break on one mistake situation and some dude is fortnite emoting to cast guidance

[humble cairn]

Being able to waltz through enemy lines is also really good on the active side of things.

[remote wadi]

Fortunately, the need to do so is actually dwindling

Palaldin getting better spell casting and Lay On Hands
Fighter getting a healer's kit to stabilize people in the frontlines

[humble cairn]

When I say the active side of things I mean when you actively want to move through enemies and are not doing so reactively or defensively, so it's not about need.

[remote wadi]

Wizard and I being more aware on distancing

[knotty pasture]

Eh just don't go for Zephyr Strike then, you have several good options so far

[humble cairn]

Like when you actively want to penetrate through enemy lines to get somewhere.

[remote wadi]

So like, I agree that it has uses

But being only able to prepare 4 spells maximum means that I need to be mindful on what I take

I already have Entangle, PWT, Absorb Elements, and likely Magic Weapon

[knotty pasture]

Anything goes

[burnt valley]

It's a low op party right?

[knotty pasture]

And that you're the only one tryharding, Bloodline?

[humble cairn]

Given that list Cure Wounds or Zephyr Strike would be what I would pick.

[remote wadi]

Okay, probably not the word I would use. Even for myself because I'm trying to be more relaxed and enjoy the sessions

Although it is a little hard to enjoy constant failures. But that's what lucky is for

[knotty pasture]

You're really planning things out and multiclassing lol

[humble cairn]

Or possibly Enhance Ability, I actually like that spell.

[tawdry sentinel]

Should have more than 4 by the time you get level 2 spells I think. Is this 2024?

[remote wadi]

2014

[burnt valley]

Oh hey they can do gloomstalker assassin ranger

[humble cairn]

that's the plan

[remote wadi]

I mean, is that really tryharding, though? Idk, preparing feels like something common enough to not warrant being called tryharding

[vernal hornet]

Huhu fellas, do you maybe know about some way to meet up in Cologne, Germany?

[remote wadi]

Like low level? Or...

[humble cairn]

TBF you have spent a lot of time in here asking for advice on this.

[burnt valley]

low optimization

[vernal hornet]

I recently moved here but don't know anyone and miss DnD a bit

[remote wadi]

I wouldn't know about things like Races and stuff, but there's at least valid choices that can work

[still plover]

Check for local hobby shops, libraries, Facebook groups and such.

[vernal hornet]

library is interesting

[humble cairn]

Check #looking-for-community

[remote wadi]

Part of it is because this is just what I do in my free time. Better than stressing out about other things in life

Like, Paladin is an Aasimar, Fighter is a Shadar-Kai Rune Knight, Wizard is an Owlin Illusionist, Druid is... idk

[vernal hornet]

oh, thanks!

[humble cairn]

Enhance Ability for Utility, Cure Wounds because emergency healing can be clutch, or Zephyr Strike as an all around solid choice for having options in combat.

[vernal hornet]

Oh, I am forbidden to write in that channel

[knotty pasture]

It seems pretty tryharding to me, for me I just skim through tabletop builds and rpgbot for spell suggestions and pick a few that fits the campaign at best

I don't spend weeks designing the perfect sniper Ranger build that can hypercarry my team of dummies to victory

[hidden spindle]

Lesser Restoration goes hard

[remote wadi]

Magic Weapon, maybe? Wizard probably has EA, and healing is just... we'll just call it what it is and say outclassed/probably unnecessary, and ZS could be a great option if I wasn't limited to just 4 prepared spells

[remote wadi]

Honestly, I dropped the idea of perfection a few weeks ago

[knotty pasture]

Hey you're the one plotting and multiclassing right now

[remote wadi]

Early game, a bit of mid game, and DnD as a whole loves to remind me that Murphy's Law exists and is very familiar with me by now

[humble cairn]

Magic Weapon is kinda okay, but 1) it's concentration in 2014 and 2) it's useless as soon as you get a magical weapon.

[remote wadi]

I think that would give a good flow chart, then

[humble cairn]

What do you mean?

[remote wadi]

Magical firearm before level 6? Drop MW for ZS next level up

[knotty pasture]

Do magical firearms exist again

[remote wadi]

I know firearms do...

[knotty pasture]

As in non homebrew stuff at least

[humble cairn]

You do know you can only change Ranger spells when leveling up Ranger, right?

I don't remember your exact progression plan.

[remote wadi]

I am aware. Should I get at least a regular firearm, I was going to also get the Gunner feat finally

[unborn lotus]

Ranger spells can be changed every long rest?

[humble cairn]

This is a 2014 Ranger.

[remote wadi]

Nope. Only every level up

[hidden spindle]

Only in '24

[remote wadi]

Ah

[humble cairn]

Ranger '24 can change one spell per long rest.

[remote wadi]

Anyways, if I get a good weapon, we go from there

[unborn lotus]

Interesting. Does the you must level up your specific class to swap spells also exist in 2024?
I swear spell swapping came from Xanathars or Tasha's... And I didn't remember it being locked to the class levels

But I'm sure that's an easy detail to overlook

[knotty pasture]

I think its just a level up in general, no need to constantly pick Ranger etc to swap

[unborn lotus]

Just checked a few classes, definitely only when you gain levels in specific classes in 2024

[humble cairn]

Incorrect: https://www.dndbeyond.com/classes/5-ranger#ClassFeatures

[remote wadi]

Gotta sleep now

[unborn lotus]

For Warlock at least

[ebon silo]

Who isnt tempted to take atleast one level dip in warlock when playing as a paladin

[knotty pasture]

That's rougher than I thought

[ebon silo]

Man it takes every inch of will in me when playing a pure paladin

[knotty pasture]

Eldritch Blast is addictive huh

[timid anvil]

Last few warlocks i made didn't even have eldritch blast

[unborn lotus]

I honestly let me players respec as much as they need for the fixed spell list classes lol
Obviously only between sessions and only for unsatisfaction reasons... but I generally want players to try a bunch of spells for the first few levels without having to commit to a list only changing one per level up.

After a couple levels they'll generally settle down with spell swapping after finding a build they like

[uncut zenith]

I hate multiclassing, so I’m very much not tempted lol

[ebon silo]

I miss hexblade

[humble cairn]

It's still there.

[uncut zenith]

Most of its best early features are directly tied into Pact of the Blade now, so you’re really only missing Hexblade’s Curse and that annoying specter nobody liked

[humble cairn]

Though Hexblade + Bladepact is kind of the only way to do a dual wielding melee warlock.

with the Cha melee

[unborn lotus]

I played a third level session the other day where two players had a 2/1 multiclass...
And it was literally identical to playing with 2 level 2 characters it was rough 😭
We were struggling in every encounter and my PC so was so much stronger and doing so much more on each of their turns

[ebon silo]

Gotta wait for the subclass to leave unearth arcana

Hopefully wont take close to a year

[humble cairn]

No, you don't? The 2014 Hexblade is still there and compatible with the 2024 rules.

[unborn lotus]

Any word on a Xanathar equivalent for 2024?
We already got the Sword Coast equivalent 😛

[uncut zenith]

You can also ask your DM if you can playtest the UA. That’s what it’s there for.

[hidden spindle]

If its not reprinted, you can use the older one

[uncut zenith]

Playtest material is made to be played for the purpose of testing, not necessarily just read off a page.

[humble cairn]

Official rules are that if it hasn't been updated for 2024, it's still current.

[ebon silo]

Plz calm down my friend i got it

👀

[burnt valley]

I would take three levels

EB is the best ranged weapon for paladin

[ebon silo]

Kept forgetting warlock subclass is now level 3 instead of 1

[worn lagoon]

i hate the all subclasses at lv3 change

[hot gate]

I like the streamlining, makes it easier to learn.

[eager marsh]

Also mitigates minmax dipping

[hot gate]

If that comes at the cost of some 1 or 2 level dips being less - yes exactly

[eager marsh]

Too many hexblade paladins running around for no decent narrative reason after all

[worn lagoon]

I will never consider this a good reason to like the change.

[eager marsh]

That’s an opinion you are entitled to

[uneven quest]

I’m gonna be playing a Archfey pact of the blade warlock in my next campaign that weilds a trident

I’m curious if anyone knows what to do with bonus actions with this build

I have been reading my handbook and my best idea so far is casting Witch bolt at the beginning of combat

2024 rule set

[hidden spindle]

Minimizes Cleric and Sorcerer Subclass dips too

[eager marsh]

Classes are better as a baseline than before including level 1, and especially for the classes that had lv 1 subclasses to offset the mechanical difference.

[burnt valley]

Good thing they didnt patch armour dipping

[eager marsh]

Pact of the fey already hands you modified misty step uses. You can also use old reliable (hex) or find other options with feats

[reef copper]

Funny thing that

[prisma basin]

@viral hamlet Do you know why the discord threads get deleted like after one week?

[hot gate]

what's that?

[worn lagoon]

one level into something with armor proficiency

[burnt valley]

like artificer for wizard

[worn lagoon]

i've been conditioned to mage armor + dex so i've yet to have a reason to do it on the tabletop

[hot gate]

oh alright - well some medium armor prof isn't super crazy
(ah I suppose with cleric you could go heavy, that's pretty alright)

[limpid vector]

hey i am trying to build a character in the web browzer that i am using in a campaing right now and the sheet online and the paper one i have are different is there a way to make them more similar?

[burnt valley]

having a resting AC of 19 with half plate and shield is super good

[reef copper]

Tbf i don’t see a reason why a wizard should be unable to learn how to use armor before level 4 as an asi

[eager marsh]

They’re too busy studying magic.

[worn lagoon]

wizards these days are using their generative orbs for homework

[eager marsh]

There are also minor and intentional disconnects between mechanics and narrative for the sake of balance

[reef copper]

So what, you can’t learn anything else even though you can clearly spend that time adventuring

[eager marsh]

Back in my day we wrote our magical thesis by hand!

[hot gate]

Are you just looking for a similar character sheet template?
2014: https://media.wizards.com/2016/dnd/downloads/5E_CharacterSheet_Fillable.pdf
2024: https://media.dndbeyond.com/compendium-images/br/ph/character-sheet.pdf

[worn lagoon]

"orb, invent me a spell that will benefit mankind"

[eager marsh]

Downtime proficiency training is an existing downtime activity you can ask your DM for. Otherwise you take a level dip in another class. You’re deliberately spending time training with armor instead of progressing your magical stuffy so there has to be a trade off

Study*

[hot gate]

Though downtime proficiency seems to be deliberately limited to stuff that isn't armor proficiency.

[limpid vector]

im not sure the paper i have is just supper cluttered and i was hoping there was a way to get one online without having to print a new one and rewrite everything

[eager marsh]

Still, detracting time from your actual main study area is the main point

[reef copper]

No i mean more like multiclassing for armor makes sense. But i would ideally be able to trade features instead of having classes

[eager marsh]

Oh I never said anything against level dipping for armor proficiency

[worn lagoon]

flavoring the wizard's cleric dip as turning to a God when they realize it's too late to cram for their exam

Only prayer can save them now

[hidden spindle]

I'll take Lightly Armored feat as a Wizard

[eager marsh]

I merely disagree with choosing to dip classes that narratively don’t mesh or have a good reason to be mixed for the character besides mechanical minmaxing usually

[reef copper]

Did not mean to imply i just wanted to be clear

[worn lagoon]

I like all dipping

i like the mechanical minmaxing

[reef copper]

A thing our group does is having background feats so you can be a bit more specific about your character

[worn lagoon]

and i can also flavor any dip, i got the creative muscles

[spice terrace]

helloo

[hidden spindle]

Not everyone has this creative muscles like you

[burnt valley]

I reflavour my 1 artificier/X Wizard as a Battlemaster Fighter

[reef copper]

Its always great when people do this. Some just do things for numbers

[quasi fjord]

What's wrong with numbers?

[still plover]

I like a bit of both. Do the thing for the numbers, but bend the narrative to fit your story.

[worn lagoon]

i don't mind people who do things only for numbers, multiclassing in the rule book doesn't enforce justifying the character being those seperate classes seperately, it words it like "if one specific class doesn't include your whole character fantasy, you mix"

[burnt valley]

armour dips shouldn't have to be explained narratively tbh, its just one level of something

[reef copper]

Its primarely a roleplaying game for most people. So sometimes there is that one person with a bland character to minmax damage instead

[still plover]

By rights my Reylana should have wizard levels but I like warlock more, so she's a warlock with the magic initiate feat.

[worn lagoon]

my sorcerer should be an excellently learned wizard with sorcerous talents in addition but he's a sorcerer with ritual caster(wizard) in practice

[burnt valley]

some heavily narrative-focused people just refuse to move to a different system cuz this wasn't meant to be focused entirely on the narrative

[still plover]

Exactly.

[worn lagoon]

it just allowed for that ludonarrative harmony without making it feel terrible to play

[stoic obsidian]

Sometimes when I read a feature of a class I go, wait that doesn’t make sense mechanically

When it doesn’t make sense in raw

[delicate owl]

Might not be understanding what the feature does, and the mechanics it interacts with.

What is said feature?

[stoic obsidian]

More like how it written like spiritual focus saying when you cast a bard spell that deals damage or restores hit points through the Spiritual Focus, roll a d6, and you gain a bonus to one damage or healing roll of the spell equal to the number rolled.

Particularly the through part, mostly reading like you need to use it for the replacement of the material component

[hidden spindle]

This one in particular is exactly how you read it. Affecting few spells RAW

[stoic obsidian]

And that why it makes less sense

[next elk]

ohhh alrightt

[next elk]

the twilight domain is from base dnd 5e right

[hidden spindle]

I'm thinking it's primed for Magical Secrets as the spell list becomes more available

If only Bard's were more like Artificer. Material Component required

[stoic obsidian]

Which only starts at level 10 2014 or lvl14 in 2024, thus making it kinda dead in a way for awhile

[humble cairn]

Magical Secrets starts at level 10 in 2024.

[humble cairn]

Also, Spirits Bards can grab Necromancy and Divination spells form other classes by level 6 or so, I believe?

[delicate owl]

Indeed. It is why the UA for Spirits Bard changed that particular issue.

The intent is to just gain it at all times when applicable, the mechanical application is an oversight

[stoic obsidian]

By doing a ritual for 1 hour with consenting people for 1 day before long rest and it depends on how many join in

[delicate owl]

Id recommend, if the dm doesnt mind, asking if you just need to hold it to gain the bonus. Thatd be on brand and standard for such a feature.

[delicate owl]

Doesnt need to be people. Just creatures. Get some summons somehow.

Find familiar is applicable here iirc.

[stoic obsidian]

I know, just had to nag a bit

[humble cairn]

Point is you don't have to wait for Magical Secrets as a Spirits Bard.

[delicate owl]

But if your DM is open to it, id just ask if you could use the UA version thats newer.

[blissful ibex]

UA spirits bard is really nice

[stoic obsidian]

Ummmm okay, you kinda reading into this too much

[worn lagoon]

is lore bard different now

[hidden spindle]

A little

[worn lagoon]

wait, bards cannot learn warlock spells anymore?

[delicate owl]

Im reading that you are unhappy with how the mechanics work, and offered an easy solution.

Mind your replies, that was implying something in a negative way.

Nope. But they get access to all cleric, warlock, wizard and druid spells from 10th level and later.

No limit

[hidden spindle]

They pick from a Cleric, Druid, or Wizard Spell List, in terms of Magical Secrets & Magical Discoveries

[worn lagoon]

it seems to exclude warlock

no hadar for poor bard

[stoic obsidian]

Oh okay sorry, I wasn’t meaning it that way, it more about how it read, not really anything to do with a dm at all

[delicate owl]

It is a buff imo, they can basically have a fully non-bard spell list by level 20. Fixing bards only real big problem, their spell list.

[worn lagoon]

i never thought the base bard spell list was bad

[stoic obsidian]

That is true, it not bad just less damagey

[delicate owl]

It isnt super bad no, but it lacks a lot of options for more than a few things.

Damage, utility, control, etc.

[worn lagoon]

mainly just damage

they do get cool stuff for control like hypnotic pattern no?

[delicate owl]

It gets all rhat and more by being able to essentially have around 20+ spells that are from other lists.

Control in this case includes counterspell, utility is all the rituals they cant normally get, and yeha damage

[stoic obsidian]

Or hold person

[blissful ibex]

Gods forbid Bard doesn't have access to like 8 of the 500+ leveled spells in this game

[hidden spindle]

I like Lore Bard & Spirits Bard for one reason: Animate Dead (early)

[worn lagoon]

it was my favorite spell to get from MS, of course i will be pensive emoji

[blissful ibex]

Then play a warlock c:

[worn lagoon]

no </3

[blissful ibex]

Then live with your choices
Can't have everything :3

[worn lagoon]

can! go my aberrant sorcerer

[delicate owl]

Poor aberrant aorc, nerfed twice 🙁

[burnt valley]

I think they should as a reward for getting past the slog of Tier 2 /j

[stoic obsidian]

I had a shadow sorcerer plasmoid

[worn lagoon]

the only feature of aberrant that i care for is that it gets hadar without being the class that has 2 spell slots most of the time that basically only recover at long rests because parties are allergic to sr

[delicate owl]

Got rid of spell changing and psionic spells doesnt remove costly components 🙁

[blissful ibex]

See, that's why you multiclass warlock

[worn lagoon]

sorc dip cooler, go my metamagic

[delicate owl]

Hunger of Hadar is indeed very cool now, especially since it acales

[blissful ibex]

But Eldritch Invocations

[worn lagoon]

hadar was always cool

[delicate owl]

I actually think evards is a bit worse than it now in 2024.

Being cool sure, being useful? Eh.

[worn lagoon]

i think i can live without casting bane once per long rest

[blissful ibex]

My silly Druid 15 / Warlock 5 with 2 warlock levels from 3~12

[tight siren]

Hey i m new to dnd
I wanna play and get familiar with the rules and stuff

Anyone wanna help

[blissful ibex]

Read the information in #learn-to-play as well as the 'Playing the Game' and 'Character Creation' chapters in the free basic rules (https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/dnd/br-2024) following along with the instructions in the second chapter to create a character as practice.

You can use (https://www.dndbeyond.com/characters/builder) to make your first character as it comes pre-loaded with the free rules and will help walk you through the process as you follow along with 'Character Creation'. If you'd instead prefer a printable character sheet, those can be found here: https://www.dndbeyond.com/resources/1779-d-d-character-sheets#OfficialCharacterSheets

Feel free to ask any questions you still have in #dnd-newcomers, and have your practice character looked over in #character-discussion to ensure your character follows proper character creation protocol.

There's a short interactive module here (https://www.dndbeyond.com/begin/en) to get an idea of the sorts of things you might encounter in gameplay, or you could seek out videos online of live gameplay examples or things of that nature.

Once you're ready, you can head over to #find-a-game to look for a group to join or can look on one of the many LFG discord servers, r/lfg on reddit, your friendly local game store, or anywhere else games can be found.

[worn lagoon]

never had the oppurtunity to play at lv20 but if i did i'd probably try 3 sorc 17 wiz

[tight siren]

I read the basic rules

All that left is some gameplay experience.....

[blissful ibex]

We have so many new people join a day it's not really feasable to get everyone a one on one sadly >.>
if you have any questions having read the basic rules, feel free to ask in #dnd-newcomers

[burnt valley]

Now we've heard of DMs getting a kick out of an enemy crit, players failing a crucial save or getting them off guard, has anyone experienced something the exact opposite(i.e the DMs get bent instead)?

[tight siren]

So u all play in voice chats right

[delicate owl]

I cant even imagine multiclassing anymore... except for ranger

[crimson gulch]

yes, i have experienced a lot of poor sportsmanship from a bad DM when i was still learning

[blissful ibex]

You can either play in a VC or there's something called Play By Post (PBP) where the game is primarially done via text

[worn lagoon]

my poor first timer dm lost it when he couldn't land a single hit and i kept rolling max damage on witch bolt

[burnt valley]

[blissful ibex]

Ranger is really nice for a few point dip

[worn lagoon]

i know he had to scribble over the boss' original hp to pentuple it just because i kept rolling so high at lv3

[still plover]

Did you scream, "Unlimited Power!" while rolling?

[tight siren]

Oh so how do I join peopel

[blissful ibex]

Party passed 7 dex checks in a row with a net total of 20 or over in tier 1 play c:

[delicate owl]

Oh I just cant with good conscience take that horrible capstone lol. Might as well go Fighter and gain some cool stuff at the last level

[burnt valley]

Lmaooo

[cosmic roost]

Ready to play Dungeons & Dragons?

Visit #find-a-game for everything you need to start your search, including:

• Instructions for finding a game here on the server (including how to post in our #looking-for channels).
• Suggestions for finding a game outside of this server.
• Basic advice to help you in your hunt.

[delicate owl]

They should have made rangers capstone also let other people get the benefit of your hunters mark or something

[still plover]

Boss yeets self out of window, taking their chances with the fall damage over the player's dice.

[delicate owl]

And gave you an extra benefit like increased crit range additionally

[blissful ibex]

and the level 13 ability should have made it not use concentration rather than it just not dropping concentration when hit

[burnt valley]

Hunter's Mark no longer exists in 5e and over wdym

[burnt valley]

Imagine the DM's reaction on it, it would be so hilarious

[delicate owl]

I agree tbh, i kinda wanna say it should let you concentrate on another spell, just so if you get knocked out it goes away, but eh.

[crimson gulch]

Top level 2024 rangers slay so hard. The swarmkeeper in my exandria game just hit level 17 and she's been slaying so hard the whole time with her twin blade

[delicate owl]

They dont slay cause of their capstone thats for sure haha

[buoyant oar]

Saheeda! As they say in Golden Huzuz, how are we all?

[rough basalt]

Well they tested no conc and iirc it ended up being too strong

So they opted to just giving you a bunch of free casts so you can use and drop it without any issues

[humble cairn]

Sure it does and it's actually a decent spell at low levels that just gets outpaced fairly quickly.

[blissful ibex]

True, but that was for level 1 play as part of the Core 2024 rules UA
having it be at level 13 instead of 1 would likely have been far less problematic

[humble cairn]

I'm having a blast on my 2024 Beast Master. TBF, though I did dip 1 level of Druid for a few things, like higher level spell slots.

[blissful ibex]

also druidic, 3 cantrips, and better nature and arcana rolls

[humble cairn]

Yes, but it's funny, I have Speak With Animals from too many different sources now, being a Forest Gnome.

[blissful ibex]

Just need a ring of animal influence and you're set c:

maybe the Emerald Enclave background from FR:HoF

[rough basalt]

Ive been wanting to play a new Ranger but I get other ideas that I wanna do more in the rare once a year cases I get to play

[humble cairn]

That didn't exist when I started this character, otherwise I might have.

[outer wraith]

I LOVE ORCS SO MUCH

[blissful ibex]

Should play AL, easy to have multiple characters and can easily get a quick 2~4 hour game in c:

[outer wraith]

goodbye it was nice to know yall

[cunning tendon]

chat i just had my first ever dnd game. it was fun as helll

[blissful ibex]

Farewell orc enjoyer

[rough basalt]

Don't have it available

[burnt valley]

AL also has an abundance of magic items, so martials are stronger

[cunning tendon]

that game was hard as hell. my party was infiltrating a floating pirate ship and the first battle was easy enough, but then we had to manage our resources and convince the ship to let us steer

[blissful ibex]

Can send you the discord server I play on if you'd like

[cunning tendon]

and then a blue dragon attacked and me and another person got knocked out IMMEDIATELY at full health

[small heath]

Kobolds are amazing and cool and funny and unique and yes ❤️

[rough basalt]

Yeah sure

[cunning tendon]

but it was still fun. didnt contribute much except taking out one pirate and lockpicking a door but the people i played with were really cool

[blissful ibex]

sent

[pine adder]

Why does finding a new campaign always take so long. 😭

[blissful ibex]

Lots of player, fewer DMs, needing to find the right setting/ playstyle/ table/ etc

[fair summit]

Getting multiple people with the same availability together for the same time and few hours at a time is gonna take a while (not even including other requirements you may have which will limit a fitting game), add to that there being way more people wanting to be players than DMs, so as a player it's not gonna be a quick process lot of the time 😛

[blissful ibex]

Hence why I like to do a mix of campaign play and AL, far easier to find a one off AL game than a recurring campaign, so can do a bit of both c:

[fair summit]

As a DM you'll likely get interested players together quick though, and it's still a fun role 😉

[pine adder]

i do dm a lot just interested in playing for once

[jaunty wyvern]

The forever DM’s dilemma

[fair summit]

Could ask your players too. Lot of the discouragement from trying out DMing is worry of it being difficult, but seeing someone else do it and being with people you know could make it easier
Heck, literally all my main players have either ran at least a one-shot, or are also running or planning a campaign 😛

[burnt valley]

Lvl 20 one shots are fun

[jaunty wyvern]

I think in the almost decade I’ve been running dnd I’ve done level 20 combat less times than I have fingers on my hand

[pine adder]

All of my campaigns ended a few months ago so dont have any current players and the ones I did have are super busy atm

[jaunty wyvern]

Its just so slow

[crimson gulch]

I do a lot of high level games and I still keep it moving fast

I have brought 7 separate 5e campaigns to max level and have ran a lot of one shots

[median abyss]

Yeah combat being slow is a player issue

You should be thinking about what you will do on your turn before it comes up

[crimson gulch]

Nah, even with players that haven't done it before I keep things moving, it's a dm issue

[blissful ibex]

it's both; players need to be thinking what they want to do and DMs need to keep things moving and players on task

[clear trellis]

anybody running a session that i can watch like within an hour

[outer wraith]

i love orcs

[fair summit]

You could always just check a gameplay on youtube, Lot easier to see immediately or whenever you want, without relying on a group letting a random come in and listen

[buoyant oar]

Timers have solved combat slug for me.

You have 90 seconds to complete your turn. If you have questions the timer will pause obviously. New player games have 2.5 minutes.

Otherwise if you don't complete your turn in that time you take the dodge action and we move on.

This has curtailed the behavior of casters not opening their spell list until their turn lol

[jaunty wyvern]

90 seconds is about what I use

one minute before the 30 sec hourglass comes out

[buoyant oar]

I get that battlefield conditions change. But it's not an excuse to take a 5-8 minute turn.

[blissful ibex]

Battlefield conditions change and I feel bad taking like 2 minutes >.>
Can't even imagine 5~8

[buoyant oar]

Tbh in my games, druids and clerics are the worst offenders of running out the clock. Wizards are surprisingly quick.

[limber trail]

I kinda see how that could happen. A wizard is mostly focused on how badly they wanna hurt the enemies, they have somewhat less to think about than a cleric or a Druid where you need to consider healing, attacking, buff spells, debuff spells, and more

(Not that wizard doesn’t have those things, but clerics and druids tend to have more and in a wider balance)

[buoyant oar]

With druids, its summons that eat into time.

[bronze wave]

any class with variety might take longer

[limber trail]

Also very true. Definitely had a lot of turns in one go in my druiding days. Although, 8 minute turns is still a lot

[buoyant oar]

I have also noticed that players will settle into a combat routine, where like a bladesinger will cast specific spells like Booming Blade, every single combat.

You break their standard operating procedure and players will short circuit like a fast food worker when you ask for no mayo or tomato on your burger.

[severe rampart]

is it just me, or Changeling works really well when paired with a bard class

[humble cairn]

I play a Beast Master Ranger who uses the Summon spells, but I'm very conscientious about my turn length, I aim for 30 second turns or less.

[humble cairn]

New Changeling has access to basically unlimited Adv on Cha Skill checks. It's very powerful.

[buoyant oar]

Bless you

[severe rampart]

oh I hadn't even considered that, how so?

[valid geyser]

Advantage is strong to have

[humble cairn]

Have you read the stats for the new Changeling species from the newest Eberron book?

[severe rampart]

I have not

[humble cairn]

They have Adv on Charisma Skill checks whenever they are in an assumed form.

Which is likely going to be all the time.

[noble basin]

That's kinda crazy

[severe rampart]

What the hell, I could've used that

that's insane

[stoic haven]

Druids are the most diverse in the turn length usually, my Druid is quite quick, even with being Shepherd

[buoyant oar]

Yeah infinite adv on one of the six primary stats is pretty gross to me.

And the changelling adv does not say Charisma Skill Checks. It just says Charisma Checks.

[stoic haven]

so also just base charisma, interesting

[buoyant oar]

Which could in theory be infinite advantage on Spellcasting ability checks for spells if your Spellcasting Ability is CHA

[valid geyser]

i dont think so, since theres a difference between a check and a d20 test iirc

[humble cairn]

Ahh yes, what Charisma checks besides skill type stuff matters anymore? Counterspell no longer calls for it, does Dispel Magic?

[valid geyser]

yeah ability checks are different from attack rolls and saves

[humble cairn]

Checks are neither attacks nor saves.

[valid geyser]

oh right yeah stuff like dispel magic would get adv

[buoyant oar]

Dispel Magic does still call for it

[humble cairn]

Spellcasting ability checks .. casting from scrolls that are higher than you can normally cast?

[buoyant oar]

A species getting essentially blanket adv on a primary stat is kinda busted imo

[severe rampart]

yeah, might have to run that by my DM

[humble cairn]

Do scrolls still call for a check if they are higher than your normal spells?

[valid geyser]

id say its a little strong but not incredibly crazy

[stoic haven]

I don't think its too powerful imo, but good nonetheless

[severe rampart]

This is why I've been a changeling fan since DAY 1

[valid geyser]

considering the PHB has gnomes that get advantage on any mental saving throw, and ive yet to hear many people call gnomes busted

[elder holly]

If the scroll’s spell level is higher than you can normally cast you must make an ability check using your spellcasting ability (DC = 10 + the spell’s level) or the scroll fails

[humble cairn]

Thanks!

[valid geyser]

i do think the new changeling ability is kind of strange from a fluff standpoint. I dont really get why they needed proficiency on charisma skills and advantage

[wintry pulsar]

Weird question but does anyone know if ray of sickness mechanics got changed in the 2024 rules?

[humble cairn]

So Skills, dispel magic, and higher scrolls ... It's really really good, but not sure about broken.

[severe rampart]

I need a scroll soon

[severe rampart]

not that much broken considering my changeling only shapechanges when absolutely necessary, but we love a Changeling buff

[pliant sapphire]

i have 1 friend that her changeling is perma shapechanged

[buoyant oar]

In the end it does not matter to me as Changeling is a banned option in my games even if playing in Eberron.

[severe rampart]

this is also why I ask the DM first if Changelings are allowed in the campaign

[valid geyser]

im gonna still suggest the rising from the last war version more because i dont like the fey change very much (assuming the game is in eberron)

[stoic haven]

perma-disguise self was pretty much the 2014 one, but can't change outfit

[buoyant oar]

I just had not looked at it new version lol

[visual bison]

Hello ! Everyone

[jaunty wyvern]

Idk that depends on how the dm runs it. I feel like if someone is tricked by a changelings Shape-Shifter they would be under the same scrutiny as if they had casted charm person

[hollow estuary]

A single level in artificer makes wizards 10x better.

You now can wear medium armor. You get 3 more cantrips. You can now cast cure wounds! You can have shields. You don't miss out on any asis in the long run.

A free proficiency. Tinkers magic.

[jaunty wyvern]

once they find out they were tricked of course

[bronze wave]

eh idk I think for casters its better to stick pure to it, faster spell unlocks

and no muticlass is worth missing a high spell lvl

[valid geyser]

i think its reasonably worthwhile, but idunno 10 times better

[elder holly]

Yeah, that combo is really good, but I wouldn’t call it broken. Higher-level scrolls still have that “you might fail and waste it” check and you’re also paying in gold/loot availability and giving up your action to cast or to Dispel. It ends up feeling clutch and smart not unstoppable unless the DM is basically flooding the game with scrolls

[hollow estuary]

I mean it removes all the weaknesses of the wizard and allows it to heal.

[buoyant oar]

One day, I will open my heart again.

One day, I will get a changeling player who will not speed run making it weird.

[severe rampart]

Throw in self inflicted "Guidance" and a bard giving you a bardic inspiration die and you're pretty much all set

[valid geyser]

does it when mage armor exists as a first level spell?

[burnt valley]

wdym by making it weird

[bronze wave]

the faster i get to lvl6 spell slots the better

[still plover]

What was the last one?

[hollow estuary]

Half plate and shield with a 14 in dex gives 20 ac

Max you get with mage armor is 18

[buoyant oar]

Changeling Player: Transforms into Knight Champion. Prince Charming.

"Hey Princess, How you doin'? 😏

[burnt valley]

Oh oh no

[buoyant oar]

yeah

[severe rampart]

Physically cringed

[valid geyser]

yeah but half plate is expensive and i need to take war caster if i want to use my shield and my spells

[severe rampart]

-# guys not all changelings are like that pls

[buoyant oar]

If I had a nickel for Everytime a changeling player attempted something like that I would have like a whole dollar.

[bronze wave]

idk if you need that much ac with wizard (also youd need warcaster atp?)

like why is your wiz getting hit so much where that 20 ac matters

[hollow estuary]

Gtg

[woven flint]

Read that
"Hey princess, How you doin'?"
In a very overexagerrated redditor voice

[elder holly]

Yeah with Guidance + Bardic Inspiration you’re basically stacking the deck 😅 You still can fail on a bad roll, but it turns the scroll check from “coin flip” into “pretty reliable” especially on mid-level scrolls. Just watch the timing: Guidance has to be up before the check and Bardic Inspiration has to be given beforehand too then you decide to spend the die after you see the d20.

[jaunty wyvern]

feet slap\

[buoyant oar]

Add in about 75% of Changelings wanting to play a bard. To the mix and its just not worth the hassle. At my tables

[noble basin]

It doesn't hurt to get some armor I'd imagine

[severe rampart]

yep, that +8 on a Charisma ability check with Adv if you're in your shapechanged form, 4 + 8 + 8 + 20, and the lowest you can roll is an 11 if the D20, D8, and D4 all decide to ruin your day

[woven flint]

I was about to play a Lorwyn Changeling Druid in a campaign, but decided against it lol

[dense dagger]

Heyyyy im new to the game and i bought an essentials pack and im gonna be a dm and sometimes a player (bc no one wants to learn the rules) but i wanted to know if there were other species than human dwarf elf and halfling

[severe rampart]

a lot more

[drowsy timber]

hey all, im brand spanking new to dnd only experience being an off brand table top and BG3, im currently building my own homebrew/official world on world anvil right now, any tips??

[dense dagger]

YUSSSSS this is what i was hoping for

[noble basin]

#dm-world-building

[karmic pendant]

There are more in the phb but other than that there are a lot of resourcebooks that give other species

[dense dagger]

Is there like a page where i can check the specifics on some species like idk half animal and stuff bc i had this idea of making my first character a halfbunny bard

[dense dagger]

Or maybe bunny-shark bc yeah

[elder holly]

Yep math checks out: max = 20 + 8 + 1d8 + 1d4 = 40, and worst-case = 1 + 8 + 1 + 1 = 11 (even with Advantage you can still double-1). Also reminder: nat 1 isn’t an auto-fail on ability checks so with that stack you’re basically only sweating super high DCs

[woven flint]

You know, I can't even say anything because my Changeling was a spirits bard, his name was Maloche.
He too the physical appeared of a Drow fellow named Eadric, he was an actor! (Who would've thought) but for his own sake of survival because Changelings were an actively hunted creature in that campaigns universe lol

[karmic pendant]

So basically a harengon

[dense dagger]

Idk but i have a lot of creativity juice on my mind rn

[karmic pendant]

Or something homebrew

[valid geyser]

AI?

[dense dagger]

Yeah but i havent done like a single game so yeah

[severe rampart]

yeah, and even then that's a VERY small chance of happening, you could win the lottery multiple times

[dense dagger]

But I've been looking fordward to starting a campaign it's just my friends that never coordinate for a specific date

[severe rampart]

Congrats, you're already tackling DnD's mightiest foe, Scheduling

[valid geyser]

if actually human I do apologize, but i noticed the curly quotation marks which can be a sign of chatgpt, also i dont see many people here just putting all the math together in a reply (also GPTzero seemed confident at least parts of a couple messages were generated)

[woven flint]

When the party found out Maloche was a Changeling, two were half tempted to kill him, but Maloche and the other party member talked them down

Glorious!

[severe rampart]

I sometimes forget that Changelings are very hated in DnD

[buoyant oar]

Is it mean, if a player is in a negotiation with a noble court and Casts Guidance on themselves for a CHA check without subtle spell in front of gods and everyone, that the check auto fails?

[vagrant quartz]

Hello everynyan

[severe rampart]

how are you? fine thank you

[vagrant quartz]

I'm scared cus imma be dming for the first time soon and I am AFRAID

[woven flint]

Aye, Changelings ate often treated like Doppelgangers, but it should be noted that Changelings are

1. A completely different shapechanger species
   And

2. Typically just want to fit in with other people and aren't purely malicious

[severe rampart]

oh my god I thought you were making a reference, i feel silly

[vagrant quartz]

I was

[jaunty wyvern]

yea changelings are just fey doppelgangers want to replace people

[severe rampart]

Yeah, usually

[woven flint]

Not at all!
That's the actual Doppelganger creature 😭

[jaunty wyvern]

sorry punctuation is important

[buoyant oar]

From a PC pov, one of the reasons narratively that changelings can be seen as hated by Party Members is because they are in fact straight up lying to the party for an extended period of time.

[woven flint]

Ah, word lol

[jaunty wyvern]

Yea changelings are just fey. Doppelgangers want to replace people

[vagrant quartz]

If you're fey you're okey by me

[buoyant oar]

Fey are some of the most dangerous creatures to mortal kind tbh

[woven flint]

My whimsical fey babies..
I lob them..

[jaunty wyvern]

id argue fey are like 3rd

[severe rampart]

Not a problem with me, session 1 my whole party knew I was a changeling, right from the get go

[vagrant quartz]

When you're mad at your fey lover so you cast magic circle on your bed

[woven flint]

Maloche, my changling fella, was never malicious or prude, he was just a very sassy fellow

[vagrant quartz]

And now they have to sleep on the couch !

[buoyant oar]

When your fey lover is mad at you they alter your perception of time, and now everyone you loved is dead because time out for them is 900 years.

[gusty stone]

I wish the 5.5e character sheet had spots in the spell list to show verbal and semantic components.

[severe rampart]

when you're mad at a demon so you make a circle of salt around your bed

[vagrant quartz]

That's just a Tuesday

When your demon lover is misbehaving so you summon theyr mom

[woven flint]

When your Fey lover makes you cookies, but accidentally puts pixie dust in them...
Now you can see sounds and hear colors

[vagrant quartz]

The good stuff

[bronze wave]

I just put it next ti the spell wha it needs and if it’s ritual or con

[vagrant quartz]

When the party casts detect evil and good and the dm tells them they detect a fey other then the 3 undead infront of them 👀

[buoyant oar]

Yea if I was a mortal in a DnD setting, I would rather see a Baatezu or some Tanar'ri tbh. Those creatures might be evil, but you can reason with one at least and both have clear intent of harm.

Fey are like children with a weapon, they can and probably will harm you but they sometimes don't intend to, which can be far more dangerous.

[woven flint]

Sorry, Sorry, it's usually me

[severe rampart]

imagine how difficult it'd be to be a barkeep in DnD, all of these degenerates in your bar every single day

[vagrant quartz]

Me too

I was getting some water, party was going crazy over the weird magic tree beeing a fey

Then I reminded them that I'M BLUE

#eladrin

[next elk]

yall how do i use unarmed strike in baldurs gate 3

[vagrant quartz]

I'd say barkeepers have more insurance policies then an anxious German person

[empty thicket]

pulling out a book with all the ages of each kind so you dont sell alcohol to minors
"so guys, what kinda are you?"

[severe rampart]

"Hybrid"

[buoyant oar]

And raucous adventurers with class levels are the minority for these barkeeps usually.

[empty thicket]

"of what? Orc and human? human and elf? Each day i think humans must have something to attract that much things around them, who knows"

[oak stone]

is it just me or I am bamboozled that people have been playing dnd for 10 years

[empty thicket]

Buddy, the game is like kinda guessing, more than 60 years old years old

[oak stone]

I think 70

I like it when the party and dm are relatable

[empty thicket]

Literally a person could be playing it all his life, from young to ancient.

[oak stone]

that could be me

Or will be me

[buoyant oar]

DnD has been around for 52 years now.

[severe rampart]

there are some people who have been playing the same campaign for 20 years

[oak stone]

dnd is one of the only games I've enjoyed