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jagged apex
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is not really reincarnating, is going on to the afterlife, if you don't venerate a deity or have not been claimed by a demon or signed away your soul to a devil, you go on to the afterlife becoming a petitioner on a plane that matches your alignment, as part of the natural process of life for mortals in the dnd multiverse, forgotten realms included

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kelemvor is not new, he became the god of the dead during the time of troubles

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eh more so he unintentionally was not doing as well as he was suppose to be at his job, his humanity was basically informing him with bias, thus he basically expunged any trace of his former human self to better do his duty as a god rather than a man who had become a god

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he is only really new in so far as being the latest to take on the mantle, portfolio, and role in the forgotten realms he has been around for a long time where as the wall of souls being retconned out entirely was more so something that happened in 5e via an errata as i recall

unkempt merlin
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correct

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it was removed in previous editions, technically brought back via a single mention in 5e, but errata'd out to "restore" back to the removal of previous editions

jagged apex
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sounds like was likely an oversight do to how in a rush they were with the initial wave of 5e books and basically trying to undo what was not liked about the previous edition, someone probably thought the wall was not suppose to be gone only for them not to find out until after it had already gone to print, cuz from what i hear that is one of the reasons why you had a blue dragon behave so abnormally in one of the early adventures in 5e

main canopy
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Theres a dope tier 4 AL adventure ||about baddies trying to free Dendar. V stoked to run it for my Tomb of Annihilation party||

meager lotus
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Asking this for a campaign that I'm running. do we have any information on how the people of Tymanther feel about metallic dragons in the late 15th century DR? I know that Bahamut worship has grown exponentially in the nation through the Platinum Cadre so I wonder if the general Tymantheran's view in metallic dragons has changed along with that.

jagged apex
jagged apex
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he also has a discord if i remember correctly

grim siren
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He does. It's called Greenwood's Grotto

coarse hull
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Is there any dnd lore for the Greek pantheon and other pantheons

obsidian gate
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well the greek gods are interlopers in the forgotten realms

dark comet
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I think your best bet would be Deities and Demigods. The Greek Pantheon is included in there I think (haven’t checked this).

tardy wasp
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In Greyhawk, are Paladins of specific gods considered church officials in their traditions, or is that just reserved for Clerics?

hearty cobalt
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what exactly is vampire mist and what happens to hit when it is killed

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I want to try and make something out of the mist wondering if there is any in lore way that could be done

jagged apex
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plus likely would depend what edition you are talking about since i am not even sure what edition the paladin was last tied specifically to a deity

hot mountain
# hearty cobalt what exactly is vampire mist and what happens to hit when it is killed

A vampire that has no grave to return to becomes a shadow.

true vampires are created by the true loves kiss of a succubus (rare as all hell)

so a vampire that has not died yet has no grave, it seems that the grave its self where the body is laid to rest becomes the soul anchor of the soul, like a phylactery, new graves or "spawn points" can be created with original grave dirt or ash of the original body. alot is needed to make a grave sight.

seems that the idea is that they get out of normal death by a loophole in the "pact primevil" envolving immortal succubus love and the negitive energy plane (space at the end of time) where a soul becomes little more than a shadow.

hearty cobalt
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is this shadow different then mist?

jagged apex
jagged apex
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also am assuming you mean what happens to it when it is killed, to my knowledge if a vampire is slain in mist form, or at least is not able to get to it's resting place and regenerate within the time of being forced into the form, they are destroyed, like in their entirety

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presumably the physical mist would just dissipate

thick sentinel
# tardy wasp In Greyhawk, are Paladins of specific gods considered church officials in their ...

Paladins can choose to be ordained, which means that the character has been formally invested with religious authority through a recognized ceremony (Note that this is not required to be an in-game action such as a spell or ritual). That seems official -- perhaps just as official as a Cleric in the same religion

I think the main difference is that Greyhawk Paladins could be multi-ordained while Clerics (checking notes) are now in 2024 edition also allowed such variety: are not tied to a single deity like in the 2014 edition

Simply: Clerics and Paladins are equals in power to each religion in every world setting. Less rules; more power; more flexibility; more inclusivity

unkempt merlin
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(Clerics were not necessarily tied to a single deity in 2014 either)

hearty cobalt
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would there be residue leftover

jagged apex
prime crest
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tasha is literal insanity

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she was told "you can do anything" and she did

meager crater
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how does Corellon Larethian feel about undead? can't find a specific answer

pallid sun
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Would anyone know about a Wandering Sands caravan With Tabaxis? If not probably homebrew just trying to do some research

untold sandal
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in the Forgotten Realms, does the number of living elves ever increase? I read that elven souls just reincarnate forever, does that mean no new elves are ever created?

outer locust
# untold sandal in the Forgotten Realms, does the number of living elves ever increase? I read t...

yes the number does often increase (typically after the number decreased earlier)

there's no confirmation on the topic but considering all elves can remember their previous lives via trance this implies all of them are reincarnates and not new souls

there was also some stuff in 2014 regarding half-elves in that some elves disapproved of half-elves existing because if a half-elf uses up an elf soul they weren't sure whether or not that soul would continue in the elf reincarnation cycle (potentially permanently lowering the total number of potential elves)

to my knowledge there has never been an elf who in trance had no previous lives to remember or could remember being a half-elf in a previous life - but I am not 100% sue

untold sandal
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so still a hard cap on their overall number of souls

jagged apex
meager crater
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Alright thank you!

jagged apex
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though the dead are usually more the domains/bussiness of other gods in the pantheon to my knowledge

outer locust
gentle ravine
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ISO FR novel suggestions that feature yuan-ti culture. I just finished House of Serpents, and I’d like to find something along those lines… a story based in a yuan-ti city or house or a story told from a yuan-it perspective.
Does Sertrous show up in any FR novels?

eager bay
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Are there any fiends capable of resurrecting people?

calm crest
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Yes, several archfiends possess the ability. Any fiend capable of granting Wishes could also restore the dead to life.

prisma siren
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Pazuzu, e.g.

empty sierra
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Do I went looking around and I actually found the aboleth statblock in my 24 MM, and turns out it has a d6 rolling table for motivations- one of which is "the aboleth is attempting to awaken a titan such as the tarrasque or a kraken." (Paraphrased),

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So, that's a neat fun fact

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eager bay
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Was Asmodeus an angel before?

calm crest
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Unclear. There are multiple origin stories. That is one possibility.

eager bay
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Are flesh golems made from cadavers and/or corpses?

haughty olive
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I mean, nothin says the flesh donors have to be dead first.

eager bay
haughty olive
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Not by the time it's added to the golem

eager bay
haughty olive
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What else would it be made of?

calm crest
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There have been half-flesh golems, living creatures with a dead flesh graft.

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There are also zombie golems, a flesh-like golem made from undead.

obsidian gate
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flesh golems are basically frankenstein's monsters so they typically would be grafted from corpse parts, yes

snow laurel
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Is there anything in spelljammer that's like an alien disease or something biological that spreads? I'm thinking of building out a kind of gross ecological catastrophe area and I want the cause to be a crashed spelljammer ship

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I feel we've all seen like a Sci-Fi movie where a meteorite or spaceship crashes and some sort of evil ooze comes out of it and corrupts the surrounding area

sharp orchid
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Any suggestions for a lore-accurate/aligned Undead Patron that can represent the avarice of civilization and the hunger of societal expansion?

snow laurel
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The red wizards of thay, from the same setting, are also a bunch of evil undead wizards that run a whole country, and they have a well-developed mercantile aspect to their economy, but it's not their main focus

calm crest
cinder cloud
gentle ravine
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Asking again because it's a different day of the week, and someone may have some suggestions: ISO novels that feature yuan-ti. Aside from House of Serpents, are there any other suggestions?

fickle pumice
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Hi, i wanted to explore the forgotten realms lore, is there a place you would recommend to start or a suggested route to follow?

ionic rivet
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The forgotten realms wiki is one of the more exhaustive resources out there and generally well regarded as a source.

fickle pumice
ionic rivet
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You could start by asking a specific question about FR lore here (note that many folks will use and cite the FR wiki when answering)

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Or like look at some official D&D adventures based in the Forgotten Realms and gather some info that way.

fickle pumice
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mh okay thanks

cinder cloud
graceful otter
cinder cloud
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They're a mod

fickle pumice
feral lintel
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anyway, back to lore, do we have anything for giant anatomy?

crude blaze
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Anyways, afaik, giants are mostly identical to humanoids, save for their size and the obvious affinity to the elements and runic magic.

versed hare
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Hill giant bod here, can't dissagree

feral lintel
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gotcha, was turning a giant scion into a dungeon, was wondering if theres any special organs they have

warm fjord
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My role I chose I've never played before (always wanted to but it's looked down on in my "circle") what's my role I chose mean it said dragon is why I chose it

jagged apex
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to quote that part of bigby's on them "Scions of giants’ gods are enormously powerful beings who infuse the world around them with primeval magic. In many worlds, they slumber and have become part of the landscape. In this case, each scion is enclosed in stasis inside a powerful Elemental called a cradle. The cradle protects the slumbering scion and follows its subconscious wishes, including driving off intruders. But if the cradle dies, the scion within fully awakens." end quote

crude blaze
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I’ve always imagined it as a sort of “genius loci”. It’s the central point keeping an area “alive” to protect the Scion. Once the Cradle is disposed of, there’s nothing holding the Scion back.

jagged apex
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yeah, the cradle is basically an semi alive environment that is as the entry says responds to the subconscious of the scion, so comparing the cradle to a genius loci while not 1 to 1 is fairly accurate as they are conceptually similar

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like it is basically the scion's bed, and once you kill the bed, that wakes up the scion

clever path
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there's a lot of various pseudo portals and such where you can slip past the barriers to the other plane

jagged apex
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or to quote what the latest setting angostic lore says on the matter, calling them fey crossings
"Fey crossings are places of mystery and beauty on the Material Plane that have a near-perfect mirror in the Feywild, creating a portal where the two planes touch. A traveler passes through a fey crossing by entering a clearing, wading into a pool, passing into a circle of mushrooms, or crawling under the trunk of a tree. To the traveler, it seems like simply moving into the Feywild. To an observer, the traveler is there one moment and gone the next.
Like other portals between planes, most fey crossings open infrequently. A crossing might open only during a full moon, on the dawn of a particular day, or for someone carrying a certain type of item. A fey crossing can be closed permanently if the land on either side is dramatically altered—for example, if a castle is built over the clearing on the Material Plane." end quote

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stuff like that where the material plane and another plane are connected are usually two way, rarely to my knowledge is it a 1 way thing

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plus at least with extra planar beings, they can traditionally be summoned even if only temporarily, via certain spells

wispy gale
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what is the lore on dragonmarks?

unkempt merlin
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The short version is "mystical marks that appear on individuals in the Eberron setting that grant them abilities/natural talents with certain skills"

There are a bunch of houses (functionally: guilds that also have a family aspect to them) for each of the dragonmarks that all specialize in the things related to their marks

wispy gale
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is there like royalty and stuff?

feral lintel
jagged apex
feral lintel
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Oh huh, I didnt really come to that conclusion. Although its a cool thing

jagged apex
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is just while the scion slumbers, the cradle acts based on the scion's subconsious desires

feral lintel
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welp, there goes my plans about using a digestive system dungeon

pallid flower
jagged apex
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like i could see the idea working if the scion were a hill giant just as an example and thinking about their belly or something idk

feral lintel
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yuh, but this revelation has my gears spinning for new ideas

jagged apex
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just like it would be made of like stone and rock and stuff instead of flesh and guts if you took the suggestion i gave of an example you could have it try to still use some version of your original idea

feral lintel
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thats somewhat what im thinking of now yeah. Although the idea of a pocket dimension where the scion slumbers looks a lot more alluring now. But thats a topic for another channel

tepid hinge
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Is a lich a literal undead as in "died and came back to life" or more like "it is so old that its flesh rot away leaving only the skeleton but it won't die"?

clever path
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Both

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A high level spellcaster explicitly kills themslves after creating the phylactery that houses their soul inside of it. Their body is no longer alive and decays as it’s basically a corpse puppet now. They live forever in terms of age, and if the body is destroyed the soul returns to the phylactery and then possesses a new corpse to transform into a new full body unless you destroy the phylactery

tepid hinge
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Got it

reef cape
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The scion does not appear while the cradle exists. There is no way to reach the scion by going inside the cradle

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jagged apex
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either way it is still undead, but since to get to the point of lichdom the process, at least the main known one, involves them temporarily dying, meaning it is still both sorts of undead, though this could be a detail from one form of lichdom to another, as i recall dracoliches their version makes use of new corpses of dragons should it be slain at least historically

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though the latest version of this really only addresses it's restoration in mechanics but it specifies a new body, the lore part of that subject, regaerding there spirit jars simply says this "The process of becoming a lich is involved, dangerous, and unique to each would-be lich. If the rite succeeds, the lich’s soul is bound to a spirit jar, a specially prepared magical repository. This relic anchors the lich’s spirit to the world and preserves it should the lich’s body be destroyed. A lich can be slain only if its spirit jar is ruined. As such, a lich goes to great lengths to hide and protect its spirit jar." end quote

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as for their appearance the latest setting agnostic lore ties it's appearance largely to it's origin and age to partially quote "A lich’s age and origin influences its form. Older liches appear as little more than brittle skeletons clad in the rotten finery of forgotten empires, while younger liches more closely resemble living creatures and are clad in contemporary garb. Many cloak themselves in illusions of their idealized mortal forms." end quote

verbal barn
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Do giants use any term to refer to species that aren't giant, mostly humanoids?

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The same way that other species call Tieflings Hellspawn

cinder cloud
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Snack, tiny man, puny one, squishy

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Get creative

verbal barn
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I think Frost Giants in specific could call them Weaklings or Squishies true

jagged apex
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from what i could find we only know they have words for "elf" and "human" in regards to non giant races

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though is possible i missed or overlook some

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drowsy wraith
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Does anyone know about what lays north of Raam in Dark Sun? Where can I find more info

jagged apex
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so besides maybe the wiki and any cited sources, your best source of info would likely be the old sourcebooks from back when it was last used as a full setting as in more recent years we know comparatively little other than just enough in passing to establish it still exist as part of the various worlds in the dnd multiverse

hazy flower
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how are half-dragon (not dragonborns) made/born?

cinder cloud
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When a dragon and a humanoid love each other very much....

jagged apex
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fizban's gives several examples/suggestions for the 5e continuity

hazy flower
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i heard from some old video that they are slaves for dragons i think, thats correct?

jagged apex
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basically just need a non dragon to become infused with the unique magical energies of a dragon in some way, be it by blood, arcane transformation, ect... the result is the same in the end of it being a half dragon even if in the broader terms

cinder cloud
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I'm pretty sure it happens when they mate in humanoid form too

hazy flower
jagged apex
hazy flower
jagged apex
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vampirism is a sort of magical curse/disease, much as lycanthropy is

hazy flower
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then becoming half dragon is what?

cinder cloud
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But from the 2014 MM:

When a dragon in polymorphed form mates with another creature, the union sometimes produces half dragon offspring. A creature might also transform into a half-dragon as a result of a mad wizard's spell or a ritual bath in dragon's blood. In all these cases, the result is a creature that combines the essence of a dragon with the form of its original race. Regardless of their origins, all half-dragons have similar features and appearance, gaining special senses, resistance to destructive energy, and a breath weapon.

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And as scarlet pointed out there are other ways listed in Fizbans

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But I'd say the vast majority are the old fashioned way

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jagged apex
# hazy flower then becoming half dragon is what?

unless you are born as one, is best described as an arcane transformation, ie you are magically transformed by the unique magics of dragons to become a more draconic version of what you otherwise were with varying degrees of draconic traits that are as varied as any other genetic traits, the examples in the monster manuals are basically an average examples

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being born one is basically just the most well known and straight forward method, but much like lycanthropes born with it, it become and intrinsic part of you to where it can't be removed even by the likes of a wish spell because is in those cases as naturally a part of you as your eye color for example, while i am not sure how this effects half-dragons, i do know that from their lore historically they infertile, ie they can't reproduce by natural means, and they have a life span that is double of the non draconic race, at least historically from what i know of and am aware of

hazy flower
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thanksss

jagged apex
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fun thing is the amount of draconic physical traits can vary in every extreme to where some known ones in the realms physically look no different than other normal humans

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and by the realms i mean the forgotten realms setting and it's published lore

hazy flower
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interesting hahh

jagged apex
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also to my knowledge traditionally half dragons also gain some of the mentality of the respective kind of dragon, like for example part of why white dragons tend to be considered the least intelligent of the major true dragons is because of the way their mind works it is basically very logic and literal based which is why they are such good hunters and thus have trouble grasping abstract concepts, at least on average

gaunt shell
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Do you think someone coming from Chult would have difficulty adapting to places like Baldurs Gate?

crude blaze
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How quickly someone adapts to a new culture and environment varies from person to person. That said, not really a lore question.

jagged apex
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given the main settlement of note in Chult is Port Nyanzaru, i'd argue that Baldur's Gate would be one of the more ideal places for them to transition to the cultures of Faerun, especially since that city originated as a colony of one of the lands of Faerun, Amn

cinder cloud
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Might think it's cold, even though it's warmish and temperate

jagged apex
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yeah, good point, the change in typical climate would take getting use to right out the gate even before they were to experiance any of the cultures

merry scaffold
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In barovia what happens to the souls of adventurers who die in the domain? Are they trapped forever and reincarnate like the original villagers? If so wouldn't that render the soulless rarer and rarer? Do they simply pass on? Or they're trapped in the general domains of dread like the mist between? Is there an official answer?

cinder cloud
frank marsh
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Are the books popular?

grim siren
versed hare
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Dnd books are very popular

brisk crest
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Anyone familiar with which elven council oversees the civilizations in Gulthmere forest?

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I seem to understand its the Caerilcarn. Some info says its only in the high forest, other info states that different settlements like the Gulthmere forest send representatives to the Caerilcarn

teal basin
brisk crest
cinder cloud
teal basin
brisk crest
cinder cloud
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What you do in your own game is your own, I was simply communicating the official lore.

chrome moon
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Did Greyhawk have animal lords?

calm crest
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Yes, I believe Cat Lords at the very least.

wind night
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What exactly is a true name?

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For PC’s is it just the name they are given at birth?

chrome moon
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feral lintel
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The Cat Lord is the patron deity of tabaxis iirc? Or is that someone else?

vernal ember
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Is using a trapped Devils blood as communion for a church, and having that blood later on bind the consumers to that devil, unbeknownst to the church leader in line with DND lore?

clever path
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Drinking anyone’s blood short of a god can’t ‘bind’ you to them at all as far as I know and Devils very much require you to willfully sign a contract with them to do anything with you and your soul

vernal ember
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Hmmm maybe joining a church requires you to sign a terms of service agreement that nobody reads

clever path
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That’s very much Devil methodology yes

vernal ember
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Actually question about the blood and god thing

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Can gods materialize in the real world or are they stuck to their planes? Do they require certain rituals to be able to materialize, or have like an avatar materialize on their behalf - think 40k chaos god rules

clever path
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They aren’t allowed on the material plane at all

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Avatars are exceptions as they are lesser fake bodies with mere fractions of godly power

vernal ember
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I just wanted to introduce a mechanic of unwitting binding of another fiend through the sacrament. The idea is the people of the town who consumed would be sacrificed at some point, and their bodies vessels for otherworldly creatures. Wasn’t sure if there was anything like that was in line with the dnd established lore

clever path
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If you’re making a homebrew world/setting that wouldn’t matter and you can do whatever

feral lintel
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This channel is for official printed lore. Your game, your rules

clever path
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Otherwise Devils very much require a willfully signed contract to own your soul

vernal ember
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Smh Saul Goodman type devils

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Thanks all

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feral lintel
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-# cough Mystra iirc cough

runic cave
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anyone know anything about flame aarakocra?

chrome moon
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Roasted chicken?

runic cave
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no

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They're on the fire encounter chart on page 39 of the manual of the planes, but i dont anything else anywhere...

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is there a diff book i should buy to get that info?

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wide nimbus
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Can I ask about the book named the Mind of Metal? It was mentioned in the item description of the Mighty servant of Leuk-o. Is it referenced elsewhere?

hot mountain
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my next game is going to be placed in the Anauroch area on Toril, the party finding old netherese artifacts and making gold from the netherese shadari in the area. I was thinking of an archaeological tomb raiding theam.

I have the old “Netheril:Empire of Magic” supplement and love the setting of all of it. I was thinking that if the party lasts long enough the overarching plot might be to collect all 50 nether scrolls.

Thoughts or ideas?

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snow laurel
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Are there any religious or spiritual traditions in D&D lore across various planets that feature tonsure (ritually shaving the head as part of an initiation rite, seen commonly in both Catholic and Buddhist monks)?

cinder cloud
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The Red Wizards of Thay shave their heads bald and tattoo their school of specialty on their mugs

snow laurel
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Between the faux-buddhism of Oriental Adventures and literal catholic saints like St. Cuthbert being canon I'm sure the idea is out there

snow laurel
cinder cloud
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Several gods (Ladgauer, Odin) were bald so it might make sense for their followers to mimic their appearance but nothing else really comes to mind

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Given the fact that most settings are set in quasi medieval or renaissance eras it would make sense for any given order of male monks/priests/whatever to echo the real world

snow laurel
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I have a character who definitely shaves their head as part of a religious practice, I was just wondering if I could say they got it from "such and such religious order"

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doesn't really fit for them to be inspired by thay but it was otherwise a good suggestion!

raven needle
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I am looking to create a bit of a backstory for the Ruinstone. I'm thinking of combining it with a rewrite of the Axeholm story. I don't think there are any spoilers of either DoIP or Divine Contention, as its a full rewrite and I just want some feedback on whether it sounds about right. But just in case, I'll put it in spoilers:

||Axeholm was a prosperous dwarven mining city. It sat upon a mithral vein, and it was fabled for its jewelcraft. The crown jewel was their Arkenstone, a gem of great beauty, with magical properties. Vyldara, an elven arcanist was invited to study it and she discovered that it was so much more than the dwarves had found, and it could be used to alter reality itself. Vyldara, excited to experiment, told the dwarven council. In their wisdom, they forbade meddling with the threads of reality itself. However, some of the dwarves, secret worshippers of Abbathor, met with Vyldara in secret, and their mutual thirst for power and knowledge led them into an alliance. The king discovered the plot, and Vyldara's role in it, and she was put to death. The Abbathor worshipers staged a revolt, grabbing the Arkenstone and attempting to use it to undo Vyldara's death and their failing revolt. Their incomplete knowledge resulted in only partial success: the Arkenstone was corrupted by their greed, and the targets were raised as undead, with a ravenous hunger for any of the living. The survivors fled Axeholm, and the fate of the Ruinstone is now unknown||

jagged apex
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this channel is more for stuff that is in published in published materials, you know the stuff put out by wizards of the coast such as published settings, sourcebooks, ect...

verbal temple
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Is there realistically any way of a single, really powerful person to defeat an adult or ancient dragon on their own?

ionic rivet
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Are you asking about official D&D lore of a regular character defeating an ancient dragon?

verbal temple
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lore

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cause a player character is definitely not beating that

unkempt merlin
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well, that not being true aside

Depends on the setting you are wondering about, but yes, people have solo'd dragons before

verbal temple
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And how powerful were they exactly? Cause if I go by the statblocks provided the challenge ratings for the wyrms are usually quite high, so I'd imagine about a level 20 character?

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were they Chosen, special, etc

unkempt merlin
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Well, it gets a bit messy in a lot of ways when trying to translate mechanics to lore.

Do note that it most definitely is possible for a solo PC (of many different classes) in 5e to kill an adult (and in some cases, ancient) dragon by themselves.

The couple that I can think of off the top of my head that have (or at least, definitely would have) had the power to do so are generally special in various capacities. Elminster (Forgotten Realms) for example most certainly has the capability, he is well. a lot of things, including a Chosen of Mystra. Lady Ilmarrow (Eberron) is a powerful Lich who, iirc, has killed at least one dragon on her own in the past

verbal temple
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Yes Id imagine a solo PC with the right min maxing might be able to defeat a dragon depending on the specifics
What about any run of the mill adventurers with no special boons of any sort, just talent and power?

unkempt merlin
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Thats part of the "gets messy" part

Because by all accounts, especially in terms of the conflation of mechanics:lore that you are doing, even those "min maxed" characters are run of the mill

verbal temple
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yeah I'd imagine so, the lore is pretty vague about the exact powerscaling of player characters/adventurers

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thanks though

cinder cloud
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He died doing it tho

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If you're talking about whether a PC can do it, that's not really a lore question

verbal temple
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nah was only talking about characters or adventurers in the lore

short osprey
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Is Titana a goddess?

scarlet sigil
short osprey
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From my understanding she's the absolute most powerful archfey?

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It seems a likely possibility. This is what the Sword Coast Adventurers Guide has to say on the matter:

Titania, the Summer Queen, is perhaps the mightiest of the archfey. With a smile, she can ripen a crop, and with a frown, summon wildfires. She rules the seelie of the Summer Court.

short osprey
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And who would the strongest vampire in dnd lore be?

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If Bg3 is considered canon.. Ascended Astarion?

cinder cloud
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In official lore, it might be Kanchelsis, the vampire god from Greyhawk

jagged apex
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but yeah, i'd argue a vampire god is more powerful than a vampire that basically got rid of it's vampire weaknesses, which more or less is what those of that ascension ritual are far as we know

calm crest
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Vlad Tolenkov appears to be the de facto ruler of a planet.

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Deific power goes a long way, but it has some serious limitations.

jagged apex
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the same could be said for more traditional power as in theory any mortal or otherwise non deity could attain such power

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honestly there is many ways to measure "strength" or "power" so it depends on what you mean by that

calm crest
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Indeed. There’s a lot of forms of power, each with their own drawbacks.

jagged apex
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like high ranking gods, their avatars will not physically be that strong but they are plenty powerful compared to some more combat focused god's avatars, that power is just not really applicaple to battle

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you can kind of see this in 5e with the goddess Auril and her more recent history, which i will not elaborate on that example as is spoilers for an adventure

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The various vampiric Darklords can’t be killed in any meaningful way, which makes them arguably more resilient than even conventional deities.

jagged apex
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yeah so long as they can suffer, they are basically a part of their domains of dread, being used as a source of power or other energy, but appart from that are god like in their prison of a domain

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plus given the nature of bg3 having many differnet path ways it can unfold in, there is no definitive influence that can be assumed true until it is refferenced in published materials

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at best do to his history, one of the things that would be consistent, one can presume that much of Astarion's power would be political, at least back when he was a Magistrate, though presumably would still have experience in that area and unlife would allow him to do so for much longer than more, but that is getting beyond this channel's purpose so i will stop there on the matter https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Astarion_Ancunín

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There’s also Nyx of Mystara, one of the most powerful Immortals of Entropy, who was a vampire in her mortal life.

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and dragons even as is, especially ancient ones are often some of the most powerful creatures in the areas they reside

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with the unique abilities of vampiric dragons on top of that, even if we are just focusing on toril, i'd wadger they are more powerful than the likes of Astarion, ascended or not

short osprey
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Do they still count as vampires if they're now gods?
@calm crest @cinder cloud ?

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i dont see why they ave to be mutually exclusive

short osprey
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I just want to clarify that they can be both a god and vampire

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Cause god of vampires

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is different to being a god and a vampire

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Nyx is one of the Hierarchs of Entropy, a position variously also held by Thanatos and Hel.

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One of the less-evil Entropic Immortals, her goals largely revolve around for equality for undead.

jagged apex
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especially with the example of vecna, if you can be both with 1 kind of undeath, i see no reason another couldn't do the same

feral lintel
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all godhood basically is is another level of power

jagged apex
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plus several times we have seen humans, mortals, and other beings elevated to godhood, jergal was originally a member of a race supposedly that no longer exists and nobody remembers

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yeah "god" is not really a species or anything is something that is a category of beings with divinity of varying origin and power and many other factors

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also you got tiamat who has fluctuated between being both a dragon and a god and not a god, for yet another example of godhood not being bound to any type of creature

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and also fiend too

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with her short stint as archdevil iirc

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honestly the only case i know to where someone has forever been denied the chance to become a true deity, is orcus do to the unique way he has come back from death more than once, but supposedly to my knowledge the trade off is he has effectively made it so he will always come back if destroyed, eventually, making him one of the few beings that can't be destroyed for good if that is indeed true

main canopy
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Are there any archfey who are also gods?

short osprey
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It's a demon worshipped by vampires

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So doesn't fulfil what I'm looking for

short osprey
scarlet sigil
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Well, I said "god-like, but not quite a deity".

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Archfey are powerful while not being deities.

jagged apex
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i can understand the confusion given they are listed on the forgotten realms wiki as part of a pantheon in as a greater and good deity

jagged apex
# short osprey Not sure if you intended to come across hostile but I never said it wasn't..? I ...

was not intended as hostile, the point is that i am not aware of any sort of example where the ability to be a deity was impacted by the kind of being you are, the important factor is having enough worshipers, assuming you are not in a setting like the forgotten realms where you also after the time of troubles have to also deal with the over god, Ao, has to also approve any would be new gods

merry scaffold
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Where exactly are Secondpeak (Northlook) and Thirdpeak (Wyrmtongue) located?
I know Fourthpeak is above Mithral Hall and Firstpeak is above Blingdenstone. So I think they all are found in the mountain range of the Frost Hills, but the most definitive answer i found is in Dwarves Deep.

The Ironstar Masters were famous in their day, as they worked under Ironstar Mountain and its sister peaks of Northlook and Wyrmtongue. Together these are the three most southerly peaks of the range of mountains north of the River Surbrin, just above its confluence with the Rauvin.
Have the peaks ever been used more centrally in dnd products? Also is a bit misleading saying they're in the Spine of the World mountain range.

jagged apex
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does not seem like it, at least from what has been consolidated on the wiki

scenic beacon
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-as in where on my map that was posted in chan

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timber nova
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I do like how the devil/demon dictonomy sort of reflects two sides of age

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Devil’s represents the ills of adult hood. The nine hells are a massive bureaucracy, and everyone is either a corrupt stooge, a facist blindly following orders, or a glorified conman. Everyone tries to work their way up the ladder, hoping they’ll be on top someday, but ultimately they’ll still be working for the dukes.

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Meanwhile demons are essentially just really cruel and selfish children. Their hierarchy is based on who’s the biggest and meanest around. Even their goals amount to little more than “hurt weaker being cause it’s fun”

jagged apex
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i guess that is one way to look at it, but to my knowledge not really at all something intentional, they are two sides of evil, lawful and chaotic respectively

clever river
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Question: what was Tharizdun the god of before becoming the Chained God/God of the Abyss

timber nova
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I think he was a primordial

jagged apex
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far as i know, presumably the opposite of what he is now, else we just don't know

calm crest
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Tharizdun has definitely seen assorted retcons between editions, but is generally shrouded in mystery.

jagged apex
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partly at least in universe cuz part of sealing him away was wiping away any and all trace of him from history

dusk sky
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Is there any described afterlives that aren’t just Hell and the Astral Plane?

timber nova
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The fugal plane

clever river
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In mystara/the known world, there are no access to the outer planes, instead everything is reincarnated

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With souls taking a pit stop in each Immortal’s realm they worshiped (since the gods are banned from Mystara)

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All the outer planes as well also are afterlives. IE LG paladins tend to go to Mt. Celestia

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clever river
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In their immortal’s domain

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In mystara, the gods are banned

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Instead there are immortals, which are different in some ways

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  1. All went on their own path of ascension
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  1. All fall into only 5 main domains
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  1. They can create a lot easier
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  1. They can’t smite people as easily
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Why are the gods banned?

clever river
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Out of universe was because Mystara was more or less the first DnD setting that wasn’t someone’s own personal one (greyhawk was Gary Gygax, Blackmoor was Dave Arneson)

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so when the designers made it, they created the idea of immortals as the ultimate prize

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After you got your bastion and got to 20th level, next was to ascend, and then your character could eternally live on

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In universe is during the dawn war (Primordials vs. Gods), the fledgling immortals teamed up with the local archfey to protect themselves against the war

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Since corellon kept wanted to kidnap local fey to make more elves to turn into foot soldiers

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And the souls the gods took to afterlife wouldn’t reincarnate and couldn’t become an immortal

dusk sky
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I see

clever river
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Hopefully this helps

dusk sky
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Yes, it clears things up

clever river
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So:

  1. any of the outer planes (mt. Celestia, Nine Hells, Abyss, Aborea, etc),
  2. the Fugue Plane (where souls are judged, the false and faithless are imprisoned, and the judge of the dead rules),
  3. Elemental Planes (where non sentient animals go and genies)
  4. then naturally reincarnations
  5. Immortal demiplanes
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Has anyone noticed that Earth and egyption and greek gods are just a thing in dungeons and dragons? Like we could just exist in D&D somewhere on earth

clever river
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Do you think forgot the forgotten realms?

timid merlin
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I don't understand

clever river
clever river
timid merlin
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Oooooohhh.

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That... actualy makes a lot of sense

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clever river
clever river
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(Skipping years of lore) they brought their gods along, and when the gods found out what had happened, the slavers didn’t last long

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Due to divine nukes

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timid merlin
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Wasn't there an elder evil imprisoned in a gem the kidnappers tried to use to intimidate the mulholland gods?

clever river
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Back in the day, Ed Greenwood (the creator of the forgotten realms) said that he actually learnt about it from elminster (the ‘Gandalf/dumbledor of the setting’) visiting him and talking to him about it

clever river
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And the illmascari (the slavers) put a seal on the portals so the gods couldn’t step through

dusk sky
clever river
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So Ao (the overgod) did the equivalent of ‘accidentally’ leaking the address of the forgotten realms to the two pantheons

clever river
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He said that the Lord of the Rings was a translation of a book he had found

dusk sky
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But LOTR and D&D aren’t grounded settings

timid merlin
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It actually feels very nice to have a community that understands dungeons and dragons so deep, because I have already found people that know more about D&D then everyone else I know, so it's just great that there are people who understand as much, maybe more, than me.

grim siren
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Elminster according to Ed is addicted to Dr. Pepper and steals it from Ed's house every time he visits.

dusk sky
timid merlin
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You can visit the twisted tower in Shadowdale and there could reasonably be a 24 pack of Dr.Pepper just sitting there.

timid merlin
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Amazing.

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Imagine if Amn or something got a hold of it and found a way to replicate it.

clever river
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And if I remember correctly, foxes were introduced from earth

grim siren
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Yes a stray portal from France.

dusk sky
timid merlin
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I think the Phlogiston is connected directly to the Far realm.

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I have a friend that always confuses Forgotten Realms and Far Realm.

dusk sky
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Lots of realms that are just called “realm”

clever river
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Yeah

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Elminster is also Father Christmas

timid merlin
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Whenever Elminster was on Earth during the Christmas season he would provide aid to people, gift food, as well as use his spells to provide shelter and warmth from the winter cold to those in need in. He also enjoyed masquerading as the mysterious "Father Christmas," performing small acts of magic observable to only one or two beings (particularly disillusioned adults and teens who have disavowed Father Christmas). He especially enjoyed showing up as such to Ed of the Greenwood's home on late Christmas Eve or early Christmas morn', taking the time to raid his wine cellar. These charitable acts, especially the masquerade, were done as part of his duty as a Chosen of Mystra to foster a belief of magic in others and strengthen their sense of wonder.

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clever river
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If I remember correctly, the netherese used a like 10th level spell to seal Earth’s crystal sphere

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Since there’s no magic on earth, it’s incredibly dangerous for errant spelljammer

dusk sky
clever river
dusk sky
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“Yeah, you guys can’t use anything above 9th level anymore.”

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“One of you became a god, and we’re not too keen on any more of that.”

clever river
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So you can convert forgotten realms’ DR to AD/CE

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I think their in the 1700s rn

grim siren
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Elminster once tried to steal the double-necked bass of a musician named Geddy Lee, but Ed of the Greenwood managed to dissuade him by pointing out all the electronic equipment he'd have to steal to make it function.

timid merlin
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The Netherese just tampered with everything they found until it ended them

clever river
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Also, Karrus is a great old one

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Or at least I’m pretty sure

clever river
timid merlin
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The gnomes had a very bad time. They were made, just to be enslaved. They were freed... Only to be enslaved. Once again, escaped, oops, enslaved again

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Elminster, a self-described gourmand, had a number of his own favorite Earth cuisines, including things known as Aero bars, ice cream, Mars bars, and Kit Kats. In terms of beverages, he was partial to cocktails, like pina coladas and tequila sunrises. He would often raid Ed of the Greenwood's wine cellar and larder, finding to his frustration one day a lack of ice cream due to Greenwood watching his diabetes.

clever river
timid merlin
grim siren
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Elminster is a disaster mage and we love them.

dusk sky
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Question is, how does he keep visiting Earth?

versed hare
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sinful crown
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Does anyone know where I can find official sources on waterdeep's laws on spelljammers?

cinder cloud
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The wiki has this to say:

The city was also the largest spelljamming port of Faerûn. Although welcoming to most spacefaring races, Waterdeep's laws required that all ships landed on the ocean several miles from the city and made their final approach by sea. Transgressors were punished with harsh fines and imprisonment. This rule prevented some types of ships from ever reaching Waterdeep, but was enforced to avoid mass panic from the population. Departing vessels were subject to the same rules.
Source: https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Waterdeep#Trade

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The cited source is Realmspace from 2e

sinful crown
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Thank you!

clever river
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I’ve heard that the thri kreen, mind flayers, juna, and mercane were some of the first spelljamming races. Is it known what the first is

sinful crown
clever river
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Does anyone know of any books on Torils history? I wanna run a campaign during the crown wars but there's barely anything on the wiki 😭

clever river
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There’s YouTubers I can recommend, and you can always look through the sources

grim siren
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Hi can anyone explain who lady of pain is

cinder cloud
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Not much was known about the Lady of Pain; few in the city ever saw her, and those who did never received a response to their statements. Those who had seen her and lived to tell of it described her as being ensconced in sparkling blades.
https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Lady_of_Pain

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the important part is she is the god like being that rules over sigil and has complete control over the city of sigil

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and that even though sending people who catch her ire to these demiplane mazes where most don't make it out of, can also inflict pain passively so painful, just by someone being touched by her shadow, that historically a golem, which normally does not feel pain do to being a construct, was in complete agony if i remember correctly

clever river
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Is it know how Ouiyanspace/the broken sphere got… well broken?

clever river
# kind heath Hi can anyone explain who lady of pain is

It is also hinted that she is in a group called “the ancient brethren” which contains the serpent (which lent Vecna his prowess) and asmodeus
Or one of the Old Ones from Mystara (with the disliking gods and all)
Whatever she is, she is definitely a reference to the poem Dolores (Notre-Dame des Sept Douleurs)

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trying to figure out a full lore for dragonborn but i'd heard that dragonborn had 3 different origins from different editions and got like 5 retcons along each edition so i looked it up and:
3.5 Edition: Dragonborn were initially introduced in the "Races of the Dragon" sourcebook as humanoids who underwent a ritual dedicated to Bahamut the Platinum Dragon, to transform into dragon-like beings.
So they they were humans or similar and transformed into dragonborn

4th Edition: Dragonborn became a core playable race, with a revised origin. They were depicted as a race created by the dragon god Io (who later split into Bahamut and Tiamat) from his blood after being sundering during the Dawn War. This also introduced the idea of dragonborn being from a different world, Abeir, brought to Toril (the main D&D setting) during the Spellplague.
so in this one they are created by a dragon god and aliens from another planet

5th Edition: The lore offers a less definitive origin story, suggesting multiple possibilities. Some legends state they were created by draconic gods, while others imply they evolved alongside or were created by true dragons. The concept of being created by dragons as servants is also present, leading to a complex relationship with dragons, as noted on D&D Beyond. In some settings, such as the Forgotten Realms, they were introduced as transplants from another dimension
so they COULD be created by dragon gods OR evolved a la real dragons OR they were created by dragons to be servants OR possibly maybe they are from another wacky dimension entirely.

So whats dragonborns actual story? Where do dragonborn actually come from??

clever river
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  1. Dragonborn of Bahumat, they are not a race/species/whatever. Instead they are more like werewolves? They underwent a transformation and gained powers. They all worship Bahumat, weren't born as dragonborn, and are more like an empowered version of a mortal.
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This was the state of the lore before 4th edition

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In 4th Edition,
2) Dragonborn the Species were introduced (the ones we all know and love)

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According to 4e, Io/Asgorath (the God of Dragons) was cut in half while fitting the Primordial Erek-Hus the King of Terror. The two halves became Bahumat and Tiamat, while the blood became the Dragonborn

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These Dragonborn (introduced in 4th Edition) differed in key ways from the Dragonborn of Bahumat:

  1. They were a species, and produced more dragonborn offspring
  2. They weren't necessarily connected to Bahumat
  3. They were born as Dragonborn and not another species
  4. Were playable from the offset, as opposed to becoming transformed into one
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These 4th Edition dragonborn are the ones that PCs can pick as a species in 5e/5.24e

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Does this help?

clever river
pallid spear
# clever river Does this help?

sort of. its clarifying what I've already written, I'm looking for the "Official" version or one SINGLE origin story so its less confusing for players

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unless i have to make one

clever river
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When Cyril (the god of Death, Thievery, and generally not good stuff) kills Mystra (goddess of Magic), the spellplague breaks out (an event of general unpleasentness and chaos)

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During the chaos, Abeir begins to fuse with Toril, and the Dragonborn get brought over

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Now, there are the Dragonborn from Abeir, alongside the Dragonborn of Bahumat

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This continues to be the case to this day

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I would suggest merely renaming the Dragonborn of Bahumat to something else (like Chosen of... or Dragonblessed of...)

pallid spear
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the Dragonblessed sounds good

clever river
jagged apex
# pallid spear the Dragonblessed sounds good

or just use their proper name or rather it in draconic "Ux Bahamuti" either way they are are distinct and are different because of the context, but what you do in your games is up to you, personally i see no issue with the two as is especially since you rarely see those of bahamut these days, sure we have 5e stats for them and similar ones for bahamut's siblings, but to my knowledge we don't see them appear in actual lore and narritives

jagged apex
clever river
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one is a type of aquatic orge, the other is the more modern demonicly corrupted merfolk of the same name

clever river
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Thanks

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Huh, I thought the demonfied merrow were older, guess I was wrong

timid merlin
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Did anyone know that Bronze Dragons have a deep fondness for gold, but they try to deny that they like it because they believe gold is the root of most evils, so they sort of feel bad about loving it, but can't help themselves.

clever river
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Dragons are interesting in that regard

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They are greedy, but sometime good aligned

calm crest
# clever river It is also hinted that she is in a group called “the ancient brethren” which con...

It would extremely unexpected for the Lady of Pain to be a Mystaran Old One, given that they are from a completely different cosmology than the one that features Sigil. The Old Ones are another example of mysterious beings of greater power than deities, similar to the Lady of Pain, but the nature of the Old Ones appears to be that they serve to test Immortals for worthiness to ascension to their ranks via reaching the status of Hierarch Immortal, becoming mortal again, then becoming a Hierarch Immortal a second time. They are as to Immortals as the Immortals are to mortal in the most literal sense, based on what we know about them.

clever river
# calm crest It would extremely unexpected for the Lady of Pain to be a Mystaran Old One, giv...

Fair point. I was merely pointing out possibilities for who the Lady of Pain was. Considering that time traveling is more common in Mystara (and time even having its own sphere for the immortals) maybe the lady of pain was an immortal from the sphere of time, did the whole hierarch, mortal, hierarch, and then decided to ‘retire’ to rule sigil, time traveling into the ancient past

clever river
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It is interesting that both Mystara and Athas/Dark Sun are settings which lack gods, but ended up as very different settings (naturally I’m taking for in universe reasons, it makes sense for them to be different out of universe)

clever river
calm crest
clever river
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That’s another fair point

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I think I err on the side of them being more compatible than you do, but there are definitely differences

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I must say however, considering that there is an official spelljammer write up on mystaraspace, Mystara is significantly closer than say Eberron.

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After all, it is possible in canon (although unlikely) to travel to Mystara from say Toril, while that can’t really be said for Eberron

calm crest
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Mystara had a conversion guide, meaning there’s a version of Mystara that exists in the Phlogiston, but given the fact that Mystara’s Prime Material Plane is of infinite size, the Basic version couldn’t possibly be in a Crystal Sphere.

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Eberron, on the other hand, is canonically in the Deep Ethereal of the Advanced/mainstream multiverse.

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It can also be reached from Toril, as established in a recent module.

calm crest
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Other than the Spelljammer reference that seems contradictory (similar to Athas’ nonsensical appearance in Spelljammer despite it being utterly cut off from the main cosmology), the only connection I’m aware of on the Basic side of things is The Book of Marvelous Magic that contains an Alternate World Gate that can transport characters from Basic to AD&D. However, it can also convey them to the settings of Top Secret, Gamma World, Dawn Patrol, Star Frontiers, Boot Hill, or Gangbusters.

clever river
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Or the version in Worlds & Realms (which I’m pretty sure is the ‘real’ Mystara, but I never know)

calm crest
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Does W&R establish how he travelled there?

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Because the shoehorning in of Mystara into the core cosmology poses some problems. Given that there’s multiple sources, I won’t dispute it further, it’s just an odd choice.

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At least I don’t think Cerilia and its mutually incompatible cosmology ever got forced into the main multiverse. Granted, it wasn’t as popular of a setting as the others.

clever river
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Thing I just realized:

Iuz’s mom is an archfey, artifact creator, named after a real life person, and a famous wizard. His maternal grandmother is Baba Yaga, the little grandmother herself.
His father is Grazzt (the most powerful demon lord by number of layers), and his uncles and aunts include 3 other demon lords. His other grandma is Pale Night, the mother of demons, suite-mate of Baphament, and eldritch abomination from beyond reality

tardy wasp
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Are there any Lawful Good moon/star gods in the history of DnD?

clever river
clever river
deep nymph
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is there anything in the lore to say magic can’t be used to distort light to create a handheld hubble grade multispectral telescope? i’m making a collection of spells from a star wizard and i thought it would be funny if he had an obscenely powerful telescope

dark comet
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In my experience, it's best not to think of light as we do in the real world. With D&D's ability to teleport (faster than light) to other planes, it causes too many issues.

So definitely do the "pocket telescope", but I'd recommend keeping it wholly magical and arcane rather than try to explain it through first principles.

deep nymph
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yeah that’s what it does, it does hint at first principles stuff but only slightly

cinder cloud
clever river
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I’ve heard that on the top of Mt. Celestia (in Chronias), there’s a portal to a place outside of the d&d multiverse. Is there a primary source for this claim?

prisma siren
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There's a sealed portal leading to Chronias, but people who go there don't return, so it's not really known what's up there

jagged apex
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given what i know of mount celestia, do to the natural effect of resting there tends to have on visitors, least historically, likely this not returning is voluntary rather than the darker possibility one might otherwise assume

prisma siren
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There are various in-universe theories for why people don't return, like that they become one with the gods or with the plane itself, but they're not confirmed

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AFAIK Zaphkiel is the only one who goes back and forth between Chronias and the other layers

timber nova
clever river
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He's a BBEG from Greyhawk, who rules over an empire in the north

prisma siren
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Pronounced "eye-ooze"

clever river
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Which is fitting in its own way

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Anyway, if I had any drawing skills, I would love to draw the birthday picture of Grazzt, Tasha/Iggwilv/Zybilna, her sisters, Baba Yaga, Grazzt's siblings (Lupercio, Vucarik, Zivorgia, and Rhyxali), and finally Pale Night looking all spooky and whatnot in the background. Maybe Asmodeus saying hi to his old employee, and Demogorgon paying homage to its creator

jagged apex
clever river
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It’s like Plato was inspired by Tolkien’s Numenor to make Atlantis

jagged apex
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that is not a real thing irl so it would not be possible without proof, but that is beyond the scope of this channel

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either way, fact is you seemed to mistake an uppercase I for a lowercase L

clever river
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If only the I in the discord font used serifs

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Who knows, maybe Iuz spells his name iuz for this exact reason

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If devils are from Baator, demons from abyss, slaadi from limbo, celestial eladrin (celadrin) from Arbora, Guardinels from Elysium, and Archons from Mt. Celestia, what are the ‘native’ creatures from Hades (NE)?

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It’s Yugoloths, right?

calm crest
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Night hags. Yugoloths/daemones are from Gehenna.

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Hordelings are also Hadean.

clever river
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Thanks

jagged apex
clever river
opal cedar
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Do the gith only care about the mind Flayers
Or do they also care about stuff like the aboliths

serene crater
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Its more solely against the mind flayers because it's a vendetta for everything that happened

calm crest
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Githyanki do raid non-Illithid settlements, but an abolethic one would likely be far too much hassle.

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Red dragons and deep bodies of water tend to combine poorly.

jagged apex
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especially since the illithid and abolteh don't get along and tend to be at odds, if they can, no doubt they might let them soften each other up first and then finish off the survivors, but it depends cuz the gith have not been a united people for a long time at least in the realms

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looking at the latest setting agnostic lore, seems both major factions/subraces of gith these days if they did gear towards aberrations in general, they now hyper focus on their ancient enemy/oppressors

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but part of the githyanki's concern over wiping out the illithid is them wanting to ensure their own supremacy in the forgotten realms at least, as they are trying to establish their own empires, basically putting themselves in the role the illithid once were and trying to justify it with their own logic as the 2 main subspecies started more so do to a difference in ideology rather than genetics at least at first regarding how to handle their lives after the illithid since at the time they had nearly wiped them out, failing do to their own infighting over these differences

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that said, from my understanding the illithid and aboleth don't get along do to being too alike, so i can totally seeing a gith being discusted by those similarities and viewing the aboleth as more would be tyrants and threats to their people or might even think, all be it incorrectly, they are some new kind of illithid, either way odds are they would not get along any better than the illithid be it in their position or comparing it to their history with the illithid

tardy wasp
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Looking at the new Monster Manual… Do angels only come from Mount Celestia, now?

calm crest
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Yes, in the same way that Yugoloths have been fully relocated from Hades to Gehenna over the editions.

cinder cloud
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Angels? Or celestials?

calm crest
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Celestials of the Angel subtype are exclusively produced by the Seven Heavens, as of MM’2025.

tardy wasp
calm crest
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I’m not saying it’s not weird, but it’s arguably no less strange than Arborea having no native Celestials published in 5e.

cinder cloud
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They really need to explore the planes

timid merlin
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I think Bytopia is my favorite outer plane. Not based off of how intresting it is, I just want to go there, when it comes to straight up intresting I think my favorite is the Nine Hells.

clever river
timid merlin
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I like the concept of Ysgard, but I think it would be boring to actualy be in. The idea for the abyss is also cool, like how the demon lords purpose originaly was to find the end of the abyss, and one by one they gave up until there was no more searching.

clever river
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Yeah, it would be cool if they focused more on that literal race to the bottom

timid merlin
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Maybe boring is the wrong word. How about "I would die immediately, real me or player me if I entered"

clever river
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Ah, fair

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But if you die in battle, you’ll come back to life

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At least in 5e

feral lintel
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at this point i feel we're veering a bit off topic

clever river
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And it is based on dnd lore

timid merlin
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The planes are cool, if a slightly flawed concept when it comes to morality.

clever river
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As opposed to say discussing the manifolds of Orden

clever river
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In that they’re ‘too close’ to the material plane?

timid merlin
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Like the concepts of good and evil are subjective, you can't come to a singular conclusion when it comes to morality

clever river
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Ah, I see

timid merlin
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I personaly don't agree with their concepts of the aligment system, though when it comes to just gameplay and learning about it, it is still fun.

clever river
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Makes sense

timid merlin
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Like just for simplicity

clever river
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My own personal experience and beliefs lead me to disagree with you, but I understand where you come from

feral lintel
clever river
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I think discussing what planes from planescape would be fun to visit is within the rules

feral lintel
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Discuss WotC-published game settings, and the events and characters that shaped them.

clever river
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See!

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Thank you

feral lintel
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im clarifying what its saying its discussing, but agree to disagree here

clever river
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Such is life

timid merlin
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Yeah.

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If a moderator tells us otherwise, so be it, but no one has so far.

ionic rivet
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We do ask folks keep things on topic for the channel they are posting in. In this case, please keep things focussed on actual D&D lore found in official D&D sources/media.

timid merlin
ionic rivet
clever river
ionic rivet
clever river
timid merlin
clever river
feral lintel
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Theres an AMF field around Earth iirc

clever river
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Since it would mimic the earthling’s notions of the ‘standard’ conditions?

feral lintel
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-# yet somehow Elminster finds a way to go here to resupply on Dr. Pepper

clever river
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Or maybe the animatic field faded away after the time of Imaskar

timid merlin
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How would he get back? Would he keep a portal open the entire time?

clever river
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That’s my theory

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Stuff doesn’t line up anyway, as with canon books, ‘present day’ faerun is in the 1700s AD I think

feral lintel
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From what i can tell on the wiki, it looks like hes just using preexisting portals

timid merlin
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Oh, that makes a lot of sense.

clever river
feral lintel
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The wizard Elminster Aumar claimed that there existed hidden portals not only between Earth and Toril, but to the planets of Krynn and Oerth.[6] In this world's ancient past such portals were well-known and widely used, leading to legends on Earth of such fantastical creatures as dragons and griffons, but over time Earth's people collectively forgot about them[4][7][8] and Toril in-turn was increasingly believed to not be real.

feral lintel
clever river
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Huh

clever river
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I don’t have the time to track down all the primary sources

feral lintel
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The wiki has the sources listed at the bottom

clever river
feral lintel
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yeah, but im not sure how often updated it is. Or wether its still accurate to now

jagged apex
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yeah, not seeing anything that even suggests such a thing, they are from the upper planes in general, nothing seems to even suggest it is only mount celestia so not sure where you are getting that idea from

cinder cloud
clever river
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Besides Athas, Mystara, and Abeir, are there any other ‘settings’ that lack Gods?

unkempt merlin
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depends on how you define "lack"

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In some, like some mentioned, they are gone. They used to be there but now aren't.

In others, like Eberron, whether or not gods ever existed isn't a confirmed fact (in universe)

clever river
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Fair point. Let’s go with at the ‘present time’ Gods aren’t there, and they possess no clerics.

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So in Eberron, Gods have clerics, so it wouldn’t count as one of these such settings

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Or at least, their beliefs have clerics

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I guess Sigil would kinda count, but theirs clerics

calm crest
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Mystara has never had gods, but Immortals do grant clerics their spells. In Athas, it is ambiguous whether or not there were ever gods, but definitely there are none at present; Athas does have clerics, but their powers are from the Elemental Planes.

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Mystaran Immortals are pretty much exactly what the Sigilite Athar theorize the main cosmology's gods to be—über-mages who've learned how to crowdsource their magic.

clever river
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Ah, sorry

clever river
cinder cloud
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They covered the big ones. That being said there's likely hundreds of settings out there, I'm sure many more that fit your criteria, just not officially published for D&D

jagged apex
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eberron is selfcontained in it's own cosmology cut off for the rest of the multiverse, and sigil literally has a near all powerful entity able to lock any gods out of sigil just automatically, and that is a bit more complicated than simply being not present or active

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like tiamat and bahamut exist in eberron but they are effectively cut off seemingly from their main self that operate in the rest of the multiverse, and gods literally could not enter sigil even if they tried, closest that came to being a thing was way back when vecna basically glitched his way into it by accident when escaping the domains of dread

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honestly given the nature of the dnd multiverse, is probably best to view the established settings similarly to to demons and the layers of the abyss, there is potentially infinite different ones, both minor and major, the ones we have in published material are basically a drop in the bucket of some of the most well known

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gods being involved in a setting would depend on the setting and if they have at least one devout worshiper in the setting, so can really only be judged case by case

clever river
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Yep, and in (the spelljammer adaptation of) Mystara, the immortals and the gods exist on the same plane, but in different spheres. I was simply curious if there were settings that featured a lack of gods like Abeir, Sigil, Mystara, and Athas in published material

jagged apex
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if memory serves, athas the gods left cuz basically the setting got so messed up from the way magic was being used, basically drawing the raw energy from facets of creations, like say the energy of the lakes or the sun to power a spell, it caused horrible damage and the gods left in disgust, leaving none to even try and regulate magic any more

clever river
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Ooo, thanks for the info! I did not know that

jagged apex
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and abeir is kind of tricky cuz it is a planet out of phase with the rest of the forgotten realms setting, that as part of a deal between the gods and primordials to keep the dawn war from tearing apart the prime material with their fighting, the world was torn in 2, one version Abeir was given to the primordials independent of the gods, baring the gods from interacting with it in anyway, including things like answering prayers, and Toril was given to the gods

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but since there were no gods, that ment no religious civil war among the dragons abeir so they eventually killed the primordials and conquired abeir, and their long history is why most dragonborn even since coming to toril have an innate distrust of dragons, cuz their history is full of accounts of them being subjugated by them

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newer generations though have become more open minded, but their history and the elders keep that history still well known so is often something they are taught

clever river
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(Sorry if this sounds snarky or insulting but) yes I know the story of abeir-toriel, the dawn war, spell plague, and the second sundering

pallid flower
jagged apex
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i know, but they are still there, just separate from their incarnations in other settings, i know they are different there, cuz of the self contained cosmology, that is why i described it the way i did

clever river
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I would classify them more as ‘same name, different entity’

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But I’ll leave that for the experts

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Like Thor (the immortal) and Thor (the god), although that’s not a perfect example

jagged apex
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like i am not sure how officially they square that circle, but they are clearly ment to be those gods, but fit into the context of the self contained cosmology of eberron, which with wizards of the coast being more willing to have people from eberron cross over makes it kind of tricky since was not really something that was intended when the setting was designed from my understanding

hazy echo
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Speaking of dragons... would it be safe to assume that aside from their pesky religious zeal and the fact that you need a can-opener to access the meat, that dragons are fond of paladins?
For some strange reason, paladins always cause people to bunch up around them, making them a very convenient target for Dragons Breath...

jagged apex
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such things would differ from individual to individual, for example some dragons are not religious at all, at least as we understand it, especially on worlds like toril where their gods sat by and did nothing as the dracorage regularly decimated their people, this is why most gods apart from bahamut and tiamat, of the dragon pantheon have little if any influence on toril

cinder cloud
jagged apex
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also the second part of your question/comment seems more mechanics oriented, since it seems to be reffering to their auras

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as for a dragon's view on paladins, that is 3 fold in it's factors, the setting, the behavioral norms for the species of the dragon, and more importantly the views and opinions of the individual

jagged apex
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similarly Tiamat is known as Takhisis in that setting

drowsy wraith
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Did gunpowder work on Faerun during the time of troubles?

cinder cloud
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I can't find any evidence that smokepowder didn't work during that time.

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In fact the Time of Troubles is when the technology was shared by Gond in the first place

dark comet
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Because smokepowder is a little bit magical in nature, it might have had some "unstableness" during the Time of Troubles, but that'd be speculation - I also can't find anything explicitly about it.

dire olive
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What are some creatures aligned with drow?

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I know spiders because of Lolth, but I know there are others

cinder cloud
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Demons

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But also depends on the setting and the drow in question

dire olive
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Ty

jagged apex
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smokepowder was provided to his church by gond as an alternative, which is why the church of gond more or less has a monopoly on firearms and similar stuff if i am not mistaken

dire olive
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So I was reading about Larvae in the 2024 version monster manual, and I saw they are souls who lived so despicably they now suffer on the lower planes as larva, but it also says they can become lesser fiends if they survive enough

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Does anyone know if larvae can become stuff like imps and work their way up?

dark comet
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From this article: https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Larva

...they could become manes, dretches, or rutterkin - and very, very special ones (1 every couple of 1000) can become lemures. From there, they could try to continue to ascend, but in reality, they're not likely to get very far.

dire olive
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Hmm… how do devil ascensions work?

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They can be promoted to be stronger devils, right?

dark comet
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I can't find anything direct, but from my vague memory, they'd be some kind of fiend (like a succubus) and as they gained more power (basically levelling up), they'd just be a stronger fiend of the same type.

I have a feeling I'm missing something pretty big about this, though.

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Said another way, I don't think they're like... Pokemon, where after they level up enough, they evolve into something new.

dire olive
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I now have an idea on how to bring back a villain in some sort of sequel campaign

calm crest
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Larvae in the Nine Hells are processed either into imps directly (when needed) or more typically into lemures. If left untended, they slowly become nupperibos, the remnants of the Ancient Baatorians.

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While promotion to away from larva is done with great frequency to prevent an overabundance of nupperibos and lemures are largely promoted at random after making them fight each other to the death, each further promotion is done purely on merit.

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The purpose of each stage of devil is to convey specific lessons that are needed for when they—ideally—become an Archfiend to the candidate in question. The process involves purification through torture in order to purge anything that isn’t pure Evil and pure Law.

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Most stages require decades or centuries of perfect conduct, and the smallest error can result in them being passed over for promotion or even demoted to a lesser class of devil.

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Furthermore, some stages of the hierarchy are deliberately dead ends in order to stop those who aren’t anticipated to be worthy of further progress.

haughty copper
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Does anyone know what the highest priestesses of the Seldarine are called?

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I know it's a fancy elf word, I just can't remember it :/

fair oriole
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Lore-wise what has happened post Baldur's gate 3? I heard from the hardcore fans that BG3 was right after Descent to Avernus, the most recent campaign at the time. Do we go straight to Vecna? Whats been after Vecna?

dire olive
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I’d love to see an adaptation of Vecna

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Mostly just because Tasha is involved in the campaign but still

fair oriole
dire olive
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Idk

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Regardless of her name I will always be at her service 🏳️‍🌈

calm crest
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Both Tasha and Iggwilv are accurate names for the same mage.

dire olive
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She have a last name?

calm crest
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As far as I am aware, she does not.

jagged apex
jagged apex
jagged apex
dire olive
jagged apex
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also from what i can find seems vecna eve of ruin takes place chronologically before decent into avernus, could be wrong though

gentle ravine
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Still searching for novel suggestions that feature yuan-ti.... aside from House of Serpents, have yuan-ti ever been featured in a FR novel?

jagged apex
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but far as i know the hous of serpents trilogy seems to be the primary one at least in the realms

hot mountain
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so would a lich Yuan-Ti have magic reaistance?

fair oriole
jagged apex
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eh, not exactly

fair oriole
hot mountain
jagged apex
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dnd has multiple continuities both for various editions and forms of media

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but bg3 was confirmed to be designed in conjunction with the adventure decent into avernus in mind, that much is known

jagged apex
hot mountain
jagged apex
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not to my knowledge, but they are in the eberron setting and forgotten realms and their latest version is setting agnostic, so would not be impossible, but far as i know officially in published materials they are not known to exist in the greyhawk setting

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plus planar travel, as well as traveling from one wildspace system, as it is called these days, is a thing with the right magic or knowledge of places that allow such travel, is how elminster and mordenkainen know each other despite being from different settings, even once visiting ed greenwood on earth at one point together https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Earth#Culture

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i find it funny that we know they drink soda XD or at least did during their visit to earth, is one of those details i love partly cuz people's misconceptions about dnd make them tend to not expect anything not from medieval times

cinder cloud
jagged apex
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not exactly, far as i am aware some are chronologically earlier than their release would suggest

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some of the more recent adventures such as rime of the frost maiden and vecna eve of ruin being two that come to mind off the top of my head

cinder cloud
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Right, more or less

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A few exceptions do exist

gentle ravine
jagged apex
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to be fair the realms is a big place and the yuan-ti tend to try to be the sneakier sorts when they are trying to do something in the world as i recall, but in the realms the majority of known yuan-ti is geared towards evil, or at least as evil minions, the forgotten realms is a big setting with many races in it, even in just faerun

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plus toril is technically home to a couple settings that retroactively became a part of the world, being just independent campaign settings originally to my knowledge

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you likely would have to check every comic, novel, ect... as they likely more often than not may have minor appearances as the traditional evil humanoid enemy especially in older works

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so kind of depends how thorough you wanna be

plain wolf
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Stupid question but uh, how do the dragon ages work? Like when does a Wyrmling turn into a Young Dragon, and a Young Dragon to a Adult Dragon?

feral lintel
feral lintel
plain wolf
feral lintel
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Thats very young

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But 5e only has Wyrmling -> Young -> Adult -> Ancient -> Greatwyrm

plain wolf
gentle ravine
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I have Draconomicon right here on my desk... I could look it up 😉

feral lintel
calm crest
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Worth noting that 5e also indicates that a certain value of hoard is required for a dragon to improve its age category, not just how long it’s been alive.

feral lintel
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oh right, that section from Fizban

unkempt merlin
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Yea age categories are not just age, they are an indication of power as well

fringe terrace
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Do Goliaths have any god in their lore/pantheon(s) that would be fitting for a Trickery domain Cleric?

frozen sun
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If Mystra is the goddess of magic, is every wizard technically a cleric?

clever river
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There’s a difference between practicing a profession a god is a god of, and worshiping a god of something

clever river
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One is NE, the other is CN

fringe terrace
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Thank you.

clever river
fringe terrace
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True

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Memnor would be fitting for my character but my character is a Storm Goliath not a Cloud Goliath

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And while I'm sure a Storm Goliath could worship Memnor just as much as a Cloud Giant/Goliath

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It would feel off to me

clever river
fringe terrace
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Yeah

clever river
jagged apex
fringe terrace
jagged apex
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their portfolio also contains natural disasters and misfortune, and is a neutral aligned lesser deity

frank marsh
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Mystra provides all wizards access to the weave also she is the weave

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She is the admin to the server

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you do not need to pray to the admin just need access

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but you do need to respect her. there a reason many wizards dont repeat Karsus's folly.

modest badger
clever river
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@dire olive, and also the god of secrets

dire olive
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Someone who knows more than me, explain Vecna

clever river
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Thus no one knows him

dire olive
clever river
dire olive
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In

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My friend knows a lot about him but I barely know anything except for his stat block

clever river
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Give me a sec

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This will be easier with a keyboard

dire olive
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Oki

clever river
# dire olive Oki

In the ancient past of Greyhawk/the Flaness, a human (or possibly half-elven) wizard feared about going quietly into the night. Thus, using dark power and knowledge (possibly Orus or 'The Serpent') he became a lich

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With his loyal servants like Acererak (of Tomb of Horrors fame) and Kas (of Kas' Sword fame) he spawned a reign of terror

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Eventually, at the moment of his greatest triumph (his ascension to Godhood via a ritual) Kas betrayed him

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The ensuing battle transforms Kas' weapon into an artifact

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And infused Vecna's powerful magic into his body

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Both got banished to the Domains of Dread

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Where, after countless years Vecna escaped to Sigil. He then attempted to ascend IN Sigil (possibly breaking the No Gods rule)

clever river
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And now he's a god of secrets and the arcane, and also creator of the nothics

rough star
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how to beat or dodge vecna? (probability running vecna in game)

jagged apex
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that would be more mechanics, lore wise, the acts of a god such as ability to view mortals can be countered by a god of equal or greater power

mellow ermine
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He's not impossible to beat, but he's still someone who like 99.98% of a population wouldn't stand a chance against. As Scarlet says, per lore, dude's still divine

jagged apex
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yeah and even before godhood, at the risk of going into mechanics, he eventually even if destroyed will come back, unlike most liches to my knowledge this is not tied to a phylactery, also he is known to be able to time travel via one way or another, so there is also that

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a double edged sword though is vecna, at least to my knowledge is known to approach and think in ways similar to a lich of his caliber would, rather than the way a full on god with no connection to mortals in their past would

dire olive
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I love nothics

jagged apex
dire olive
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Oh wow, Acererak was his pupil?!?! Dayum

jagged apex
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yes, back before his divinity, he took the cambion wizard and later lich under his wing

mellow ermine
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Vecna gets around

dire olive
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He sounds cool as hell

#

Yet still no legendary actions /lh

jagged apex
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he pretty much is, he is the god of evil secrets and his goals and intents are on full blast in the adventure he stars in

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legendary actions mean nothing in lore

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that is more mechanics and besides if you faced him as a god, a statblock would be pointless, that is how strong most gods are, in 5e at most you see avatars of them otherwise in a weakened state

mellow ermine
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Vecna is Him is you face him in person as himself. He's a genius immortal evil semi-eldritch creature that has goals that aren't in mortal scale anymore, other than his secret gathering. It'd be like trying to throw down with Bahamut or Bhaal or any other god; you don't stand a chance so there's no statblock

jagged apex
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also while he is a god from oerth, a world in the greyhawk setting, he is known to have followers in the forgotten realms, though his worshipers are secretive, fitting for the god of evil secrets, so unless you wind up joining them, is unlikely you'd know a vecna worshiper if you saw them, assuming they don't indulge in some of the ways some tend to subtly hint at it

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plus if you are looking at his 5e version, that version is explicably him before he became a god

mellow ermine
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You can subvert his designs, kill his minions, maaaaaaaaybe destroy an avatar. But he himself? He's honestly above the concept of being just killed

jagged apex
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and even if you could, unless you were a god of equal or greater power, death of his true self, in the case of a god is more comparable to a comma than death in the traditional sense

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plus he was a lich before he became a god, so unlike most gods, he effectively is self sustaining at least from what i have heard, not sure if that is just theory or not, but it would not surprise me if his unique situation gave him some abilities most gods did not possess

jagged apex
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it at least covers the major key points of his history

jagged apex
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also, looking more into it, at least in 5e, yeah he is very much self sustaining since that pre-godhood version of him is noted in the flavor text of this mechanics that has him coming back if he is destroyed, to partially quote "If Vecna is slain, his soul refuses to accept its fate and lives on as a disembodied spirit that fashions a new body for itself " end quote, so yeah even before godhood he had a leg up it seems even on other liches

clever river
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Which were kinda the OG wizards

dire olive
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Oh…. Oh wow….

clever river
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Like Mordenkainen

dire olive
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OH…..

clever river
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And big by

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*bigby

dire olive
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BIGBY NO

clever river
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And Tensor (who I think is the first wizard/magic user ever played)

dire olive
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Ohhh like from Tensor’s disk or whatever it’s called?

clever river
dire olive
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Dayum

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Vecna should get his own spell

clever river
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Tenser is the player character of Gary Gygax’s son

dire olive
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Awww

clever river
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It’s an anagram of his name, Ernest

dire olive
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Gotta love OG character naming

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Like Melf

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The magic elf

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I love it

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I should start calling my characters Calamity or something

clever river
dire olive
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I thought it was Magic Elf 😭

clever river
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I forget who was playing them, but they couldn’t come up with a name, they say M Elf on their character sheet (for male elf) and chose Melf

dire olive
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It is even less original than I thought /lh

clever river
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Tasha is also named after a real life person

dire olive
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Introducing my next character - Womamity

dire olive
clever river
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A little girl who suggested the spell “hideous laughter” to Gary Gygax. Her name was Tasha, so the spell became Tasha’s Hideous Laughter

clever river
dire olive
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I can absolutely agree but now it just feels wrong knowing she’s based off of a real person

clever river
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A lead demonlogist, archfey, daughter in law of the Mother of Demons, mother of a demigod

clever river
jagged apex
dire olive
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Excellent. Now I can love without shame

jagged apex
dire olive
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Oh wow.

jagged apex
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in the forgotten realms at least she is also called "The Bone Mother" and "The Mother of all Witches"

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if memory serves, she is the one that taught Natasha aka tasha/iggwilv magic

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and hags in general to my knowledge have spells, known as weird magic, correlating to their age since they are biologically immortal, that can basically ignore the rules of magic, so can only imagine how many baba yaga may have and at least historically is known to be worshiped by other hags, so definitely lot of power or at the very least respect

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from what i am aware the longer alive a hag has been and more powerful they have become, the more uses of weird magic they have, and from my understanding these are more so special effects of this magic rather than say the use of a singular spell or effect

clever river
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Do we know what Tasha/iggwilv/zynbilna/natasha’s birth name is?

jagged apex
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according to the forgotten realms wiki at least, her true name seems to be Natasha

lost pebble
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Not sure if this is the right channel for this, but were all spells designed by people? Or just the ones that have names in like Tenser's Floating Disk?

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People within the world I mean, not game designers dndLol

calm crest
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In the Forgotten Realms at least, Netheril is believed to have invented/discovered all the major arcane spells.

lost pebble
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So was there a time when Deities had nothing as concrete to offer their Clerics?

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Just trying to get a grasp on the concept of a time before Spells as we know them

jagged apex
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no

lost pebble
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I know obviously if I DM I can make it up if I want but if there's an existing sorta idea I'd like to read it

jagged apex
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spells as we know them are not literally them coming into existance, as magic predates the races who wield it today

lost pebble
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well yeah I get that magic as a concept is always there, a spell is just one expression of it

jagged apex
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even though nobody may have tapped into it, magic and spells still existed, is honestly not that important, a spell is basically just the magical equivalent of a reliable "scientific" method of reliably getting the same result of the desired effect every time

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like 2+2 = 4

lost pebble
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yeah that's effectively the vibe I'm asking about actually

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Did someone discover the reliable nature of getting a Fireball to work the same way every time etc

jagged apex
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there is not a definitive time, beisdes gods offer clerics more than just spells

jagged apex
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but who did it first truely is obviously gunna vary cuz on worlds like toril there were great magic wielding empires while humanity and similar races were but a bunch of cave men at best, and some of them we don't even nessissarily know as much about their magic as some of the later human empires

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whether or not a known creator of a spell exists is gunna more or less be a case by case basis and from what i recall is not even guarenteed to have a time period or date associated with it and far more spells are not named after famous wizards as they were not invented from scratch, rather pulled from the weave in the case of worlds like toril

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like the spells were effectively always there in the weave that permeates the forgotten realms, is just a matter of plucking the right strings of it for the effect, sorcerers in this context basically just have a knack for guessing these things correctly, where as wizards have to do much study, trial, and error

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so i'd argue is a question that is not really ment to have a single definitive answer in published materials, at least not in the way you may be hoping

lost pebble
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that's one of the answers I expected

It's definitely hard to expect the designers to explain every single game mechanic in lore dndLol

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Gives me a fun opening at least, I hope

jagged apex
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plus a spell in dnd is by definition "A spell is a single shaping of magical energies with a specific expression." so is even at a basic level rather vague

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like say fireball is a circle, the spell would be the drawing of that circle that turns into the casting of fireball

lost pebble
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Would you say that a spell's name is just sorta a common agreed term then? And a Sorcerer who did things by instinct with no other knowledge might call them something else? Or is "Fireball" as a name important outside of being appropriate

jagged apex
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like technically by this definition just always blasting raw wild magic at your foes could be considered a spell

lost pebble
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yeah I'm looking to explore "Magic" as a concept in general, so seeing Spells as Consistent Formulas is very helpful there

jagged apex
lost pebble
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Very good to know, thanks

jagged apex
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breaks down into the various different bits, history, and such over the years across editions, obviously checking the cited sources will help you know what edition such info is from or if you wanna learn more specifics, but anything not directly contradicted by a newer sources is often still treated as canon until something comes along that contradicts it that is newer and from published materials for the setting and a lot of settings, though there are exceptions, tend to follow similar concepts for things like magic, gods, the planes of existence, ect... though the name of the weave if specific to the forgotten realms, there are implied equivalents in other settings but are if known, known by different terms

jagged apex
# lost pebble yeah I'm looking to explore "Magic" as a concept in general, so seeing Spells a...

yeah in dnd wizards are basically to magic as scientists are to science, is a good analogy, cuz just like things like time or gravity, in the dnd multiverse magic is a fundamental force of it, which is why worlds like earth are interesting to the others in the multiverse cuz our world is basically a massive dead magic zone, so people in the dnd multiverse from earth don't even have the chance or at least dramatically lower rate of having the ability to tap into magic compared to worlds like toril

feral lintel
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Who is the god of thieves or trickery in the setting of Wildemount?

jagged apex
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cuz in settings like the forgotten realms, especially after karsus' folly, you not only need the knowledge but first and foremost you need to have an affinity for "the art" basically the ability to tap into the weave and use arcane magic, which not everybody has

versed hare
feral lintel
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Danke~!

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Welp, Moonweaver works wonderfully

jagged apex
versed hare
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Notably that in wildmount open worship of lolth the spider queen carries the death penalty in the kyrnn dynasty and the dwendalian empire

feral lintel
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-# yeah, im just gonna go with the Moonweaver, i initially had the traveler, but she works better for a rogue im making

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Did she partake in the Calamity?

jagged apex
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seems they don't got a formal god of thieves in comparison to toril, so is a matter of splitting hairs

versed hare
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Indeed, the moonweaver was instrumental in empowering the apothion during the calamity

feral lintel
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MGuraEyes Interesting

versed hare
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Love how you came to the lore channel for my one shot info and I'm the one that popped In 🤣

feral lintel
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hehe, i mean, it works either way dndLol

jagged apex
feral lintel
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danke for the info Scarlet and Urizt~!

jagged apex
feral lintel
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I would imagine a god whose whole thing about manipulation being bad at direct confrontation. Its poetic

jagged apex
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is especially funny since one of her commandments is "Misdirection, slander, and shadowed steps have more function than direct conflict."

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guess she made that one after the calamity XD

feral lintel
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must have wheezedoki

versed hare
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My tinfoil hat theroy is that's just what she wants you to think

feral lintel
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-# ill end her like i ended Tharizdun

versed hare
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She did make it onto the cover of the new dmg alt art afterall

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Nah its not lolth this time, she was the last one shot I did at the shop

feral lintel
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-# i regret missing that one

fervent ridge
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i was reading a dnd book called "the practically complete guide to dragons", which seems to be official thought not version specific, and i came across a strange word "tarkemelhion", any idea what it means? (in 70% sure its of the draconic language)

jagged apex
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far as i can find, it appears to be a name

fervent ridge
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Raedon is likely the nickname its probably easier to say

jagged apex
terse dune
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Oddly specific question but hey aren't they all.

Anyone who knows anything about Faerun and its cities, is there any particular city to metropolis areas that are roughly less than 100 years old. Hoping for around the sword coast or dalelands, but anywhere arable works

jagged apex
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you'd have to check each one to see when it was founded and if it meets your other requirements other than being in faerun, which is but one continent on a single world in the forgotten realms setting

terse dune
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I would count that, and I appreciate the answer. I apologize for not being specific enough though, but my exact date is 1358. This truly is a time of troubles.

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My players are wanting to found a city at this date (when the campaign is already) and im looking for a good place

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If youre willing to give an opinion, Scarlet, if a sufficiently strong party cleared out Dragonspear Castle https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Dragonspear_Castle in the year 1358, would it make sense to build a city southwest given it being on the edge of the High Moor and being the perfect spot between Baldur's Gate and Waterdeep

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It seems neat

jagged apex
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probably, is fair game, your own table is effectively it's own continuity and timeline you can do as you and your player's wish, as for dragonspear castle, it did have a city built around it if i remember correctly or maybe it was simply near by. i do recall it originally was built around/atop the lair of the dragon who lived there when the half-dwarf that founded it befriended them

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and it has a history of having different owners over the years, so i doubt a party of well suited adventurers becoming one such group would be out of the realm of possibility

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as the wiki at least puts his ownership to the year of 1363 DR, it becoming owned by someone else 5 years later

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though looking at the history devils took it over in 1354, the first war sparking 2 years later

terse dune
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The history section states the first dragonspear war happened 1356, and that "Adon" failed to find the second tablet there in 1358 so it seems uninhabited other than the devil's and whatnot

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I just dont see much info on its surroundings

jagged apex
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and since is your own table you are not bound by the established continuity, so if successful you'd open the doors to how things may have unfolded had the castle been liberated sooner

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as cited from the sword coast adventurers guide "Dragonspear Castle was a dwarven fortress built upon the High Moor during the 13th century DR. It had a long and storied history within Western Heartlands. It served as home to monstrous humanoids, became the battleground for two wars between Faerûnians and devils from the Nine Hells,"

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so the areas within the high moor and surrounding it should be relevant in some regard

terse dune
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According to the description it says its High Moor, but all the map images show it clearly being either on the edge of, or according to the 5e map, directly outside the high moor

jagged apex
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older sources state it was built "across three low hills on the southwestern edge of the High Moor, east of Trollbark Forest and just north of where the Coast Way joined the Trade Way."

terse dune
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So itd be relavent and not something to ignore, with the party perhaps having to deal with monsters, but it doesnt seem like its entirely within the High Moor. Especially if it comes to as I think it might, where the castle overlooks a lower, more southwestern settlement on the trade way

jagged apex
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so still on the high moor, but would not be dead center

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though that would put them but a forest away from the infamous warlock's cryt, home to one of the most powerful liches on toril, and one of the few surviving netherese magic users

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though unless i am misunderstanding your question does not seem to be much land for a settlement between there and the surrounding locations as it is surrounded by either trade roads or forests that likely would have consiquences to being messed with

terse dune
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Im not 100% on what we'll do, yeah. It seems like if they did there'd be backlash from baldurs gate and wayerdeep about an interruption in the route, them assuming we'd collect tolls or something. So other locations could be neat

jagged apex
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and yeah the castle itself is at the edge of the high more, still technically within it, so for most is likely of little difference to say it is built on the high moor cuz it technically is, just is not super exact

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honestly they'd probably be better off retaking and renovating the castle and the land around it as it has enough room you likely could fit a town in it, all be it on the smaller end of towns perhaps

terse dune
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What i could do is have them (pre?)invent Rhymanthiin (them naming it themselves of course). Their themes currently heavily involve accepting good folk of all species, so this wouldn't be far off from their wants. They'd have to go about some kind of quest to get the ritual done of course.

To be clear, they're auguring some stuff so I have an easy way to just suggest to them in character where to go

jagged apex
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or if they don't mind risking angering the spirit of the dragon should it still be lingering, could clear the ruins and build over it, but those are things a bit more the topic of #dm-world-building

terse dune
jagged apex
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is basically the elven mage equivilent of casting atomic bomb

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so even the slightest mistake and woops, not only is everyone dead but you made the surrounding land a barren wasteland over the course of 3 months

terse dune
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Eh its the high Moor not a big deal

jagged apex
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that is like saying "it's just the rain forest, not a big deal"

terse dune
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I thought it was already desert or am I wrong

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If its a rainforest yeah ignore what I said

jagged apex
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you are thinking of Anauroch

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the rainforest analogy may be excessive, but the point is people would very much notice and care if suddently a magically made artificial natural disaster tore the place apart for 3 months leaving it a barren wasteland

terse dune
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Well if they die the campaign ends anyways. But yeah

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Assuming they all die that is

jagged apex
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plus elven high magic is not exactly easy to use, is rather elaborate and delicate and only known to be able to be done by elves, like full blooded, far as i know nothing suggests other races or even half elves can even attempt such magics https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Elven_high_magic

terse dune
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Anywho i do think im liking the idea about using the dragonspear castle and just skirting around the trade way. People who want to can go off the trade way to break at the settlement, but otherwise we wouldn't be infringing on any rights of waterdeep or baldurs gate

jagged apex
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yeah at the time you are focusing on, i doubt anyone will have issue with you clearing out the devils and setting up an actual functional city in it's place, definitely would save them a war or 2

terse dune
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Well thank you. I think i can work with this

pure valve
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Quick question regarding the DR timeline.
What year is it currently in Forgotten Realms? I see some info saying it is 1492 DR and others saying it is more around 1495 DR or so. The wiki has a load of info up to 1491 DR
So was curious if there is a site I could peruse with all the up to date information regarding timeline and recent events etc

scarlet sigil
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The wiki is your best bet there. There isn't so much "current year" as there are adventures that suggest that they might take place at a specific time. So "current year" is just the latest date at which any given adventure has said it takes place in. Some don't specify at all.

The most recent time seems to be 1494 (or 1492 depending on interpretation) as the date at which the events of BG:DiA occur.

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If you go beyond canon published material, Acquisitions Incorporated has extended the timeline to 1496

timid tendon
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1489-1492 is the standard so far

Honor Among Thieves occurs half a decade or so into the future

jagged apex
jagged apex
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and Ed Greenwood has stated he works on the forgotten realms setting, at least his version that wizards usually is adapting in sourcebooks, daily, so presumably one could consider the latest point in the setting we know of is 1499 DR

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though published adventures have clung to 1494 or 1492 last i checked

jagged apex
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if there is a "current year" for the forgotten realms, i imagine Ed greenwood is the only one that would know or have any such thing in mind, given as i mentioned earlier, he has said he works on the setting daily, so he is keeping it going even if wizards of the coast ain't necessarily publishing any products currently relating to the setting

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plus the forgotten realms is a whole setting with several worlds in it that are inhabited, not to mention there are varying calendars just on toril, DR is simply the most popular/used

frank marsh
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Is Auril a quasi deity?

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What happened to her after the rime of the frostmaiden

grim siren
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She is a Lesser Deity and what happens to her is adventure dependent.

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As for in general lore what would happen to her look to the 2019 style guide for the Forgotten Realms.

Stories should leave the Forgotten Realms as they found them. (Pack it in. Pack it out.) Stories set in the Forgotten Realms should not definitively destroy or irrevocably change locations, people, gods, planes, races as a whole, or other established elements of the setting or brand without special dispensation. That doesn’t mean that stories can’t have high stakes with important things in jeopardy. Players of a D&D game have the option of failure or of causing the death or destruction of important elements of the IP, but there must always be the option of things being restored to order.

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Like with demons and other outsiders killing their physical form is more of a banishment than anything else.

frank marsh
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Is she stuck on Toril?

grim siren
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She would be banished back to her home plane which I believe is in Pandemonium PlanePandemonium

frank marsh
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I know the dead three aint leaving but she looks like the type that wants to get out of toril

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Is she under Silvanas or Talos?

grim siren
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Silvanus as of 5e

frank marsh
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Ahh so she in the deep wilds

jagged apex
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the whole reason her avatar was on toril was as part of a plot of hers, but it left her dramatically weakened during that time, likely why you may have thought she was a quasi deity or stuck on toril, neither of which are the case

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and as a deity, she is not really bound to place let alone toril, gods can be worshiped in multiple settings and she would not like giving up her power from her following on toril if you ask me, her bigger concern would be not being attacked by her former allies in the gods of fury

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thus got kicked out of the gods of fury

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which leads into what she was doing during the adventure in the first place

jagged apex
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Silvanus simply is her superior and presumably offering her protection from talos and the other gods of fury and is that is specifically after "the Stormstar Requiem"

jagged apex
fervent ridge
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5e question,is the astral sea anywhere in the players handbook's multiversal map?

scarlet sigil
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Yes, it's equivalent to the Astral Plane

jagged apex
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yeah in 5e the two names are more or less used interchangeably if i am not mistaken

crude blaze
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I think in 5E the distinction between them is that the Astral Plane refers to the entire plane, including Wildspaces, where as the Astral Sea is the space between Wildspaces.

teal owl
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Hi, in the vancian casting system, how is preparing multiple casts of the same spell reflected lore-wise, with its fire & forget characteristic?

calm crest
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The thought-pattern needed to produce the spell in question is impressed into the caster’s mind more than once during memorization from a spellbook or prayer to a deity.

jagged apex
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though most of the info on that topic would be more mechanics than anything

feral kiln
jagged apex
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canon is not really a cut and dry thing, least of all with 4e especially the setting of nentir vale/points of light, is a bit of a mess compared to other settings that were actually complete before being published

jagged apex
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though your question may be more fitting in #dnd-elder-editions since you are asking specifically about a previous edition

dark pike
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Yeah, I run the Nentir Vale setting and canon isn't really a big thing

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If you want Nathan Faringray to be the leader of the Fallcrest Guard in your game, it doesn't matter a ton if that's official

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My setting is based on the Nentir Vale lore and uses a lot of material from that setting, like Vor Rukoth... but it also has Chult (renamed Numoth) and the Sword Coast in other parts of the world because I wanted to run adventures set in those places

frank marsh
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Soo gods cannot direct intervene

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They can only do what?

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It seems to not stump evil gods

jagged apex
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there is more nuance to it than that

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like the dead 3 for example, they ignore that rule and the consequences in realm space is they were demoted to quasi-deities, even Bane who was much higher ranked before, but not all settings have an over deity that impliments such a divine law

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plus for gods they can still do a lot, mainly relying on mortal agents such as their worshipers or chosen

frank marsh
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how many demon lords got to divine status? considering the bar for divinity is get enough worshipers

jagged apex
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to my knowledge lolth is the only one at least the only one in published materials

frank marsh
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I understand baphomet, yeenoghu, orcus, demogorgon got to that level

cinder cloud
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And the god.

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And their powers and capability.

maiden heart
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Also worth mentioning that Asmodeus has reached god status in the lore of some settings. Shout to the Lord of the Hells.

teal rock
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Is Hulgaz meant to be an archdevil?

cinder cloud
dire olive
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Who is Moloch?

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Preferably in 5e (if he is even in it) but I don't mind older editions lore

cinder cloud
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He is an exiled arch-devil with a colorful past.

dire olive
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The wiki hurts my brain :(

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Oki, I can get through this

cinder cloud
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Are you referring to the ads? I don't see them but I know the pages look terrible without an ad blocker, or so I'm told

jagged apex
dire olive
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and My brain struggles with big blocks of text on a screen

jagged apex
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they have histories of being worshiped as gods by some, but not enough to be considered true deities, only ones that ever came that close of those hand full was orcus, and that has long since become forever outside of his ability to attain again, how ever he is seemingly ensured he will always come back indefinitely where as most demon lords if they are slain it would mean they were at risk of seamingly fading from existance

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is honestly a unique quality that makes orcus one of my favorite among the demon lords, he seemingly will get what he wants in the end by simply waiting for the natural heat death of the universe, and all his acts now are just to try to get to that end goal sooner

jagged apex
# dire olive Preferably in 5e (if he is even in it) but I don't mind older editions lore

he is basically a former duke of hell that resided on the 6th layer of the 9 hells who became exiled and is trying to return to the power he once had if not more, the latest part of his published history has him pretty desperate to regain his former status to partially quote the wiki "However, it seemed his schemes didn't bear fruit since after his latest failure he was rendered politically, monetarily, and physically powerless. Still, Moloch continued his mission to reclaim his status, whether it meant getting himself back into the good graces of Asmodeus or dealing with the daemons to take Malbolge back by force." end quote

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he basically got fired and deported and is trying to get back his job and land one way or another to put it in the simplest of terms i can think of