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Thing is theres not much ur not learning when u go directly to cs in AS
Pseudocode can be learned from scratch
And theory in AS is just an extension of the igcse syllabus
If you're doing CS, maybe Business is a better match than English?
Ig business is better cuz data analysis
Those who got their CIE / Edexcel results, what are your opinions? Expectations VS Reality?
Got my predicteds
im happy with mine
for those of you who will be under quarantine upon entry to the UK, did your university/college tell you to pay them their daily rate for quarantine?
apparently mine did
and it's not cheap
Mine said no costs, you can move in two weeks prior to course start date
Where are you going finally? Somewhere in London?
ox
Ooh man sweet
You can tell from their tuition
I'm finally understanding why on earth did people told me "your college is rich" despite having the average endowment
because they rip you off at every angle possible
people, if any of you are applying to oxford, stay away from balliol
your income will thank me for this
I have a few Qs about Mock Exams/Test
I have never given any mock test. Those that did, can u tell me about them please?
Guys will it matter if i've taken ICT even though am going to major in CS ? The school at my area doesn't offer CS but just ICT unfortunately.
ICT isn't one of the requirements for all the CS Unis I've seen
They all ask for physics maths and most times chem
I have never given any mock test. Those that did, can u tell me about them please?
@cedar birch essentially it's supposed to be a replica of the actual exam under exam conditions and all
ok @inner crest thanks. So, whats different btwn Mock n doing a past paper at home by self? ..basically maintaining the time?๐ค
Well if you do it at home you got no one to prove that it's under exam conditions
lolz ok..got it
And exam conditions go with saying the rules 42069 times
They could psyche you by standing next to you and reading your paper
Some of mine do that
And just the added stress when it feels exam like
The holding room, having your stationery in a clear cover
And just the added stress when it feels exam like
@inner crest And i hate writing exams under extreme pressure
You can learn to make it feel better
Cuz half the stress is personally induced, more than that in my case
I sing to myself during exams ๐
And always drink water
Sometimes a small prayer before can help
If the stress is coming from your head, you can oppose that
but when i sing it distracts me, A lot!
They all ask for physics maths and most times chem
@strange gate so i dont need to take CS right ? By your reply i conclude that they dont even ask for computing subjects to be taken.
i am actually in danger because i didnt take chem
Cool :)
im throughly screwed
but when i sing it distracts me, A lot!
@plush idol in a way that's good, distract yourself for a few mins from the stress, then get back to it
im throughly screwed
@plush idol check uni reqs of where you wanna go before you get there
cuz my parents say that a lot of unis want to see whether u took chem or not
cuz my parents say that a lot of unis want to see whether u took chem or not
@plush idol what u gonna go for ?
software engineering
@plush idol not really.
They just care about your maths and physics, and sometimes one of your computing subjects.
They just care about your maths and physics, and sometimes one of your computing subjects.
@static mirage i've just known that they dont mostly care about computing subjects from rixzz.
oof thats even better
yo fr business studies clapped me hard
@plush idol btw how many subjects are you going to take ?
for what as - level?
for what as - level?
@plush idol IG.
um 4 for now
Better say; how many subjects have you taken.
um 4 for now
@plush idol nice, corona clapped us hard.
lol
Physics, CS, IT and maths(+mechanics)
for as - lvl
dont ask why i took 2 computing subjects
Physics, CS, IT and maths(+mechanics)
@plush idol CS and IT at one shot ๐
dont ask why i took 2 computing subjects
@plush idol this was actually my plan
Lol
xD
Corona came in and i unfortunately have wasted about 3 month creating a web app.
Corona came in and i unfortunately have wasted about 3 month creating a web app.
@static mirage and before about a month or so i had realised that am screwed.
๐๐๐๐
But still am going to take 5 subjects at one session ๐คฆ๐ปโโ๏ธ
OOF GL man u need it
Alot
yep
And currently am just procrastinating because i feel sick of studying
thats why I am actually busy with Minecraft PE and Roblox
@plush idol ๐๐๐
ye i like thos
Dang minecraft, good days.
I didnt touch it from a really long time
That i dont even remember
I used to have groupchats at skype 24/7
it revamped the nether and zombie pigmen now have an original form : piglins
they added a new material that is stronger than diamond
known as netherite
they added a new material that is stronger than diamond
@plush idol the sad thing is that i dont even remember playing it ๐๐
holy cr- ur a MC millenial
๐๐๐๐
Told ya
I used to have a minecraft server
Costed me around 50 sar each month ๐๐
at least ur not from 2009 otherwise i would just straight up call you MC boomer
Costed me around 50 sar each month ๐๐
@static mirage i remember that i got it turned off the second month due to not having enough money to run the server.
Shit's ducked
reeeee
Alright, am gonna go back to the wheel of hard work, not gonna come back until i get that A*.
Basically after 5 mins
Jk jk
Man ngl Bangladesh has no CS tutor smh!
@plush idol and you're still going to take it ๐๐
yep i like the odds xD
I actually did IGCSEs but they are the same thing : French( foreign), English First Language, CS, ICT, Physics and Business studies
Dang, how was english as a first language ?
For maths i did the Edexcel IGCSE one dont ask me( my school had Maths assessed by maths)
Good actually ngl
Oof
It was fun
And I'm here worried about my upcoming english ASL.
The teacher wass actually kind and we would always discuss some off-topic stuff like wut's going on around the world or wut's up with celebs
and from my pov i think i did rlly well in EFL
This may be personal, but what grade did u get tho.
Nice
๐๐๐๐
ye fr
EFL has more writing and ask u for more writing styles other than reports and letters
and for comprehension they will ask u for the implied meaning or to explain why the writer uses certain language in ther writing
thats EFL in a nutshell
But the marking is even stricter compared to ESL
That must be complex, i would conclude that its just like the English sat.
well ur not far from how the actuality of EFL dude
well ur not far from how the actuality of EFL dude
@plush idol am just going to take english ASL for that A*
ye u do that
EFL at the beginning is a nightmare but later on it's actually nice cuz u get used to what they want
EFL at the beginning is a nightmare but later on it's actually nice cuz u get used to what they want
@plush idol yeah
and if u know some writing tips and what u should do, it would rlly become ezy to get A or a B
Unfortunately i have started with a teacher was not really able to even speak the english language with a good sounding accent. Months got wasted until the supervisor had finally realised that we are going to get ducked. He change it in the second term and thats when corona came in.
Shit's really bad when you're at school, since you cant really change your teachers easily. Payments are going to get wasted in the bad spot without further notification about the course's teacher.
ye no shit
and if u know some writing tips and what u should do, it would rlly become ezy to get A or a B
@plush idol i didnt practice english writing from a while now ngl.
You're not going to take it in oct/nov tho
i thought of taking english language in AS-lvl until i realised how it will clusterduck me
You're not going to take it in oct/nov tho
@static mirage ye
i thought of taking english language in AS-lvl until i realised how it will clusterduck me
@plush idol i feel that
I was going to take bio, but then i realised that am going to get clapped really hard.
Shit's really scary
I remember waking up from a nightmare one day
But guess what was the nightmare topic about ?
my results in a nutshell:
EFL: Hmph i let u off this time but next time ill beat the hell out of u
Business: U should be happy cuz i could have made it even worse
Me: Ok ;(
Me to physics, CS, maths and ICT: Omae wa mou shienderu
Those subjects: NANI?
๐๐
What's that
But guess what was the nightmare topic about ?
@static mirage guess
what?
I thought that i have registered for igcse biology in the dream itself. Got me awake for the rest of the night.
Until i realised that i have just taken chem instead from my registration paper ๐๐๐
๐๐๐๐
Istg
LMAO ;D
That was after the 3 month gap shit
Oh
I often get dreams like that because of overthinking
ye no shit
yo but fr Business studies is harde than bio
@plush idol luckily my school doesnt offer it
Ksa in a nutshell.
ye otherwise u would be clusterfunked hard
Eggsactly ๐๐
noice pun
bruh i took 7 subjects u scaredy cat
U wont feel it until you're in ksa
full form of ksa?
kingdom of saudi arabia
Yeah
Limited revision, schools sign you off for subjects that are not even IGCSE related. Time gets wasted. Teachers are being put in bad position and last but not least there are limited tutors in the area.
Not to mention the expensive school fees
ye i get you
KSA isn't that bad man
but i am actually in Oman rit now
Depends on your school
yep
and also if u have necessary tutors near u
otherwise chances of u passing is reduced
like by a large margin
Depends on your school
@inner crest we're taking just too much holidays.
like 40% chance of passing is lost of the 100%
You wont feel it until you live here.
ye i heard there was a war going on or something like that can't remember if thats over or not?
You wont feel it until you live here.
@static mirage I lived there half my life ๐
ye i heard there was a war going on or something like that can remember if thats over or not?
@plush idol nope
@static mirage I lived there half my life ๐
@inner crest dependent on the area
oh ok
Where are you from?
Ksa, alkhobar.
Ah sweet
ok
Khobar has a ton of tutors tho
Nope
Orbit teachers do tutoring
imagine living in a country thats not ur country of origin for nearly 15 years
Cant find any for CS here.
Ahh no one does CS
But for pure sciences and math you'll be fine
CS is so underrated ngl
Cuz Egyptian students
Good teachers are really far for maths as an example.
imagine living in a country thats not ur country of origin for nearly 15 years
@plush idol it's not that uncommon these days ngl
I need to go for a min. :)
k
A minute means alot btw
Good teachers are really far for maths as an example.
@static mirage idk how they are
A minute means alot btw
@static mirage especially if ur a bengali cuz when we say a min it may even become half a day xD
Physics before exams come: I'll clap u hard
Me ( who was doing crap in it) : Nuu!
When the results came out -
Me: Pulls an uno reverse card
Physics: ๐ฎ
@static mirage especially if ur a bengali cuz when we say a min it may even become half a day xD
@plush idol ๐๐๐
Relatable
Physics before exams come: I'll clap u hard
Me ( who was doing crap in it) : Nuu!
When the results came out -
Me: Pulls an uno reverse card
Physics: ๐ฎ
@plush idol -gets a C
Jk jk
lol
How much were u "awarded" ?
A*
Ok
gives @static mirage the traditional red UNO reverse card
Guys, what are the differences between the A*-G and the 9-1 grading systems ?
one uses letters one uses numbers
that'll be 50$
@static mirage 9-1 is a newer system, it's designed to "give more differentiation" at the top end. Basically it's to distinguish between high A/A* s and lower A/A* s
My school doesn't offer it, will that affect me in any way ?
Nah it won't affect you dw
Most GCSE & A Level students esp international students are still using A*-G
cool, thank you :)
one uses letters one uses numbers
that'll be 50$
@strange gate big brain answer ๐
Lmao
am I the only undergrad here who gets homeworks before the start of the term?
golly gosh
first I have to pay for quarantine isolation
and second I get fucking essays as homework
Isnt that normal for uni?
nope
I dunno from what i heard in engineering they write lots of essays
And qs in tests come from those
by nope, I was referring to getting homeworks before the start of the term
So is their essay is shit their grade is shit
by nope, I was referring to getting homeworks before the start of the term
@buoyant haven ur uni is something alr
um anybody have ideas to remove ants from a macbook
put sweet things outside the mac . or an apple would also work. grab the ants and charge them restriction rule so they would never go back again.
just run a video render on that thing and it'll burn up so bad the ants would die of heat stroke
run minecraft. thats possibly the easiest action given that you have it even though you can pirate it
nice
just run a video render on that thing and it'll burn up so bad the ants would die of heat stroke
@strange gate oof
just run a video render on that thing and it'll burn up so bad the ants would die of heat stroke
@strange gate that would be torture bro
torture on the laptop yes 
i did sth similar
I ran fortnite lol
its a 1.3 Ghz i5 2 core
4 GB Ram
Intel graphics 5000
Temp went to 90 degrees
I saw a whole fricking colony leave
I measured the temp with an app called fanny
lol
looks like the ants found the apple in the mac
lol nice
k
When do they normally publish specimens tho ?
for?
for?
@plush idol For the subjects of 2020's oct/nov session.
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how many members are there in this server??
5184
including bots

there are 15 bots ig
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yeah this too is midyear
ohk
wait
its the normal marks for the papers i think
your online school is starting from now?!?!!!
my physical school already started long back
physical!?!?!??!?
i am residing in singapore
the situation in here is so bad
online school is a scam
i want physical school
trust me you dont
wearing a mask
not able to socialise
and writing an exam at the same time lol
i mean thats what happening here at singapore
in india situation is RIP
yeup
i lost my grandfather to covid like randomly without even knowing
oh no
Rip
that he had covid
im so sorry
its fine i am over with it now
yeah rip
and omg so much is going on in the usa lol
a revolution as well as a panademic
yyyyy
i need to study da biology
oh
i hate geo like hell
also i hate hindi
and eng lang
and eng lit
and nothing else
in my terms when i was in 10th i got U in english
oh
never knew U was a grade till then
u is ungraded right
yes lol
i got all a stars for my 40 marks but english language got me a D and literature got me a B
well it means our enlgish is trash
we have two disgusting subjects called evm and ict
yeah i heard there is alot of content in those
english = markschemes
read markschemes
nah not really
but paper format just changed
yes really
hm i found eng ms uselsess
and english literature doesnt even have mark schems bruh
just go through them once and you'll see what it needs
just 4 idiotic 25 mark questions lol
hm i found eng ms uselsess
well everything in igcse english is useless except the comprehension part
eng lit is the most hated subject in our class
after the 8th grade teacher ruined it
ikr
also the narrative and directed writing lol
i feel they are useless lmao
and the whole of literature shdnt exist
just remove fle from existence amirite?
yeah ig
eng second language is good enough
to communicate properly
this is what happens after studying english
you become weird and look for analysis everywhere lol
is there a way to download all pdfs for suppose igcse subjects?
not all but nearly all
We don't have that option yet to mass download, but you can go to the subject page and download them once you've signed in
When will geography A2 notes be available?
@plush idol we don't have a contributor for A2 geography at the moment, would you be interested in contributing? (Or know someone who'd be interested)
Hi I wanted some help with electrolysis
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Has anyone here ever ONLY used Znotes to study for a test or exam?
hello
Has anyone here ever ONLY used Znotes to study for a test or exam?
@thick veldt for class tests sometimes
@plush idol not every- some countries have cancelled all examinations as a whole
ooh
what is the best way to focus
Ac is too loud
Ac is too loud
@knotty parcel now i don't know know how to deal with this
I live in a country where libaries arent the best place to study
@knotty parcel where??
Saudia Arabia
no way saudi libraries are good
naaaa
like almost empty
theres only one which is good
soo go there
Tbh it actually depends on you
that true
i have a bio exam on 20th of oct
I have different studying methods
and i havent done anything :/
hmmmm get a tutor
That is I wake up at 6 am and read and just try to understand
same
like 4 and 5 is the best time
I cant study at 6 or 5 am
since online classes started i start waking up late
lol
I cant study at 6 or 5 am
@knotty parcel i dont know how u should deal with this
better get tuition
for a month?
thats up to u
Khan academy
well thank you for the advises
true
Or YouTube
Khan academy
@slim river I'll try

good luck
Anyone who thinks that freesciencelessons is a legend?
he saved me for IG... he's videos are op
anyone know how to write personal statements i dont know
ask in #application-essays people will probably give you good advice; there's a lot of free courses and paid ones from different companies which will guide you through how to write one. my school uses a website called unifrog but im going to follow a course from the medic portal
do any students here invest or is it rather young
I CANNOT FIND MY SCHOOL ID CARD FOR THE OCT/NOV EXAMSSS๐ญ๐ญ๐ญ
Is there any alternative for me? I NEED IT DESPERATELY!!
Why do you need your school ID?
It's supposed to be a govt ID
Also it has to be the same one that's on your statement of entry
Call your exams officer and ask if the school can provide you a duplicate
what does your SOE have?
cuz thats the only ID that they can ask you for
the other one would be to like to let you into the premises, which isnt directly related to cambridge
I have not recieved my SOE yet @inner crest
So...They wpuld not even ask for smart card?
In O levels(edexcel) they checked my smart card
I don't even know where the exams are meant to be held
(Why did I not take predicted grades?)
I have not recieved my SOE yet @inner crest
@zenith holly please ask them for it, there's no proof you're registered for the exam without it
Do I ask the school?
(Why did I not take predicted grades?)
because cambridge decided they're not doing that for O/N
I meant for june
Do I ask the school?
@zenith holly yep, your exams officer
Okay
I meant for june
@zenith holly did you not receive grades at all??
Majority of my classmates took predicted, but I was sure I would get HORRIBLE grades so I never took any
I withdrew
Yup
sorry im half brain dead rn
Its okay, I am worse these days trust me
you'll get through it 
hello
i have a question
znotes used to have more IGCSE subjects
more pdfs were there
now theres barely any subjects
enterprise and such other subject pdfs are removed
so
is there any way to get these notes?
We never had enterprise 
im not exactly sure from memory if it was enterprise but i am definetly 100% sure there were other subjects that i used to take
but now theres barely anything
Use the scroll buttons on the right and left to find them
We do have business studies if that's what you're looking for
pretty sure znotes didnt remove any subject...?
Nah, they judt added more new ones so the old ones might be somewhere else just type iti the searh bar to find them
I had a dimikar experience a few weeks back
okay thank you ๐
i have a doubt
Can i use Fx-570 ES Plus 1st and 2nd edition for my IGCSE examinations? Singapore btw
can someone please let me know if you know
yes @half thistle
yes
fill this form
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okay great because since i might make notes for myself ill contribute them here too
ill fill it once i acc have the notes 
You have used an NSFW command search query in a Safe for Work channel
NSFW word: nig
but-
You have used an NSFW command search query in a Safe for Work channel
NSFW word: nig
in igcse
yep
yeah i think allowed ill check their website for you, the white calculators usually are the ones that are controversial
hmmmm
your calculator is okay, the only thing its sort of similar to is being graphic but the graphic calculators are in colour
ok thx alot @cosmic surge
Guys does anyone know which syllabus is a lighter study the CS OL or the economics OL?
i think CS because although its a bit harder to understand sometimes the questions are less demanding, economics demands answers that require a lot of thinking and a lot of writing while cs has paper 1 which is easy theory if you memorised and paper 2 has a bunch of stuff which is mainly problem solving based on what you already know
i did both btw i got a 8 in CS and a 6 in econ (i misread the major question and messed up)
I was leaning towards cs more, feels more interesting anyway, thank youuu. Also I feel the pain of misreading the question that mustโve sucked man sorry bout that
My exam timetable is so messed up this time round. Anyone else have the same problem?
yea i got quadruple lessons
Tomorrow is the exam and I feel so nervousssss. Still regret not taking preducted grades when I had the chance
Tomorrow is the exam and I feel so nervousssss. Still regret not taking preducted grades when I had the chance
@zenith holly exactly the same situation here rn, and literally the same regret........couldnt have said it better, really!
Tomorrow is the exam and I feel so nervousssss. Still regret not taking preducted grades when I had the chance
@zenith holly have islamiat or urdu tomorrow?.... or both??
That's like the one thing I can do lol
Hamna breathe you got this
Find a thiosulfate titration and get used to the mole calcs
I always make dumb mistakes with the calculations ๐ฆ
Go through marking scheme
And videos
Promrise kitten has practical videos on youtube
I always make dumb mistakes with the calculations ๐ฆ
@plush idol i do it all the time too, just get used to what they want you to do
Big sad
One thing I'm really scared to say is what if I said something wrong during situations like this. We only want peace, but wherever you go, there is a war occurring either internally or externally. When will this ever stop?
In my opinion, it won't ever stop, when war cools at one place it starts again at the other, some people have advantages from these wars, but if every country stopped claiming others rights to be its, then we would live in a more peaceful world.
No cheating please
lmao
Lol
lmao alright i was kidding dw or else i wouldve sent the questions here already๐
Yow where to ask about UCAS track
Like what university already started sending offers etc
Erm a very irrelevant topic guys.. So for those who received a full/ partial scholarship in college (with igcse/high school exam result), what did yall do?
I m kinda anxious here cuz I m not outspoken at all and there are so many events which require participation and discussion :/
hi
Hello
Erm a very irrelevant topic guys.. So for those who received a full/ partial scholarship in college (with igcse/high school exam result), what did yall do?
I m kinda anxious here cuz I m not outspoken at all and there are so many events which require participation and discussion :/
@tawny frost Okay so Iโm in the same place as you. It depends where you want a full scholarship to. Very much. I would advice you to aim for the sky and see where you land
- without saying, youโll need perfect grades. 8-9 IGs with A* but itโs totally okay if you got As and stuff even Bs, itโll get harder but donโt loose hope. You can have an even better profile if you do a great improve
With IGs you can get A level scholarship, depends on where you live and where you wanna go. I was able to score an 85% off for my A levels in Pakistan. Malaysia, Singapore have them.
Then youโll need pretty hard and good A levels. Try to do one more than what normal kids do in your class. If the norm in 3, do 4. If itโs 4, do 5. But talk to a career counselor.
Then SATs
You can research about a particular topic. Try to get really good understanding and excel in it. You could write something great. Or make an app. Research in a specific field. Shot stuff. Volunteer and work if you want
Itโs better to get great IGs, 7-8-9 A* and As, (I donโt have a single A* sadly but still got a scholarship, so aim for the sky)
There are scholarships even in the Uk for A levels for international students if they do really in IGs
There are scholarships even in the Uk for A levels for international students if they do really in IGs
Note that these arent as high as you'd think tho
the highest ive heard of is 5000 on a 25000 course
most are 2-3k
For international students?
I read about a 70% at bellers college or something. Not sure Iโll check it one sec
tbh i only looked at like tier 1 and some tier 2 unis
cos below that point i dont believe there's any benefit in going abroad
@wet pike College in the UK is where you do your A levels
what we call college is university there
What unis did you look into?
@wet pike Leeds, Southampton, Warwick, Glasgow
Noice noice. Can I ask what your grades were?
A*AAB
@clever phoenix those are great! what about igs?
what unis were you able to get in with those grades?
what unis were you able to get in with those grades?
@wet pike I got offers from all 4 unis I mentioned
But finally went to Leeds cos the unexpected B in maths meant I couldn't meet my condition for Warwick
So you applied before giving A2 papers? Howโd that work? Like predicted grades from the school?
Yes predicted grades
Yes predicted grades
@clever phoenix great, what did you have for extracurriculars and stuff? do uk unis care about that much?
You need to have some yes
But they don't care too much, not to the level of say the US
I was on the school basketball team and so had worked on a couple apps
*also
Thatโs great, I have like work experience as a graphic designer and honestly nothing more yet. I am gonna start to look at clubs and stuff
I have A levels starting after like a week or 2
@tawny frost Okay so Iโm in the same place as you. It depends where you want a full scholarship to. Very much. I would advice you to aim for the sky and see where you land
@wet pike ahhh aightt thankssss. I received a "full" scholarship (which I believe it is only around 63% off if I m not mistaken). From Malaysia btw. They have a scholarship enrichment programme which kind of made me worried a lot
- without saying, youโll need perfect grades. 8-9 IGs with A* but itโs totally okay if you got As and stuff even Bs, itโll get harder but donโt loose hope. You can have an even better profile if you do a great improve
@wet pikeyeah did igcse in May June series and my grades were somewhere within this range
Unfortunately I m only doing three subjects for a level, Phy chem and math. A levels is in fact, unlike the igcse course. The topics r pretty much in depth.
You can research about a particular topic. Try to get really good understanding and excel in it. You could write something great. Or make an app. Research in a specific field. Shot stuff. Volunteer and work if you want
Hopefully this helps! Thank you btw and good luck for ur a levels
No problem!
@tawny frost
this is a really good guide for scholarships for US unis
Ohh thank you!
@wet pike but looking at other systems, capitalism is literally the best one
It is, but Iโve got one even better
Capitalism is better than socialism and communism
check out Islamic finance
Have you read about Islamic finance?
@cunning mirage how is a women working equally hard as being a mother?
lol what
isnt greed a sin in islam
@wet pike religion should not be a matter of discussion in this debate, as we are concerned with economics
and economics does not dwell in the realm of feelings
Yes, but purely on a standpoint of being an Economic system
You donโt have to be a muslim to implement you.
yeah not too sure about that, dont like ideologies shoved down my throat
i say, live and let live
Haha, I shoved an ideology down your throat by asking if youโre read about it?
it has religious connotation lets keep it a secular debate
lets just work with facts and facts only
btw, im not denying islam or religion
im just saying lets just use data that is concrete and has proof
Why have you rejected a system just if it had religious connotations? You could rather pick out itโs fault?
no, i think you have misunderstood me
it has basis on religion
and many people have different interpretations
islam might be correct
hi wassup
again, im not denying nor confirming islam
im just saying its not concrete
take for example, maths
everyone can agree that 1+1= 2
Itโs calls for a ethical free market, a min 2.5 percent tax on everyone who has enough to live and thinks itโs the governmentโs responsibility to provide house, cloth and food to people who donโt have it
no no no
thats a dangerous path for a nation to take
reliance on the government has always shown mostly negative results
of course there are pros
but mostly it equates to greaeter disparity of power
A decides what B does for C
does that seem fair to you?
how so? whoโs forcing who?
the politicians and the elites and the hotshots of the nation
they impose their views and beliefs without asking first
thats why liberty is awesome
i get to ahve my opinion
and you get to ahve yours
you want to become a housewife?
sure go for it, all the power to you
but dont make others follow you
if they like your idea
theyll join
if they dont, they dont
liberty must be an inalienable right of every human being
Centralized systems in general have a lot trouble. Absolute power corrupts absolutely
and taking away that right is the greatest crime one can commit
@pseudo peak i agree
it is dangerous to let the elites decide
we decide our own fate
and dont force others to join
have I not said it should only be an option?
Yeah but even then it has troubles is what we're saying
you do not make the genders equal
I mean every system does
every man is born equal
doesnt matter your gender, ethnicity, sexuality
you do you
as long you dont take away other's liberties
its all okay
What is motherhood equal to?
That's a loaded question
Which distracts the point @split tendon was making
It's not about roles in that pov
It's just a part of being human
What?
No hierarchies
Ahh the liberty thing
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This is what I meant
I think what it means๐
But do you not think mothers should be given a higher status?
I know^
autocorrect -_-
I have no comments on that matter since I am no expert in sociology nor have I thought about it/read about it
yes indeed @pseudo peak
i agree with the loaded question part you referenced
everyone thinks they are right
everyone thinks they can make the world a better place
broo whyyy? Motherhood is essential to society. If being a Mother equal to women working?
everyone thinks they are right
@split tendon not really man, at least not in the world of physics, being proven wrong is probably the best of part my day. I get a better picture of reality
broo whyyy? Motherhood is essential to society. If being a Mother equal to women working?
@wet pike I simply said I don't know/no comments, don't presume my non-response
lmaoooo have I not said that agin and again @split tendon
A woman can decide
yes indeed
But I propose the idea that, being a mothers is hard, very hard so it should be given a higher status than a women that works.
hard doesnt equal to value
i spent wokring months on a game code but everyone thought it was crap
Economic value is not the only merit
arent we talking about economics?
Yeah but now itโs about mothers dude
That leads to the following question: Which is of higher value: contributing to society as an individual or raising children to contribute? It's a tough one economically and philosophically speaking
Yeah but now itโs about mothers dude
@wet pike yes that's obvious -
It's a thorny question is all I'd say
@split tendon letโs do economics later
as an economics student, i value women in the work force more
but again
its my opinion, and i may be biased
im speaking from a self interested point of view
what contribution could even be equal to the work load of being the mother and having the ability to raise a whole generation as they see fit?
Very fee infact
few^
well look
lets focus on us, ordinary citizens
if a woman decides to work instead, they get a salary
what contribution could even be equal to the work load of being the mother and having the ability to raise a whole generation as they see fit?
@wet pike Just from economics point, that claim lacks stats, that's all I'd add to this discussion
they produce
they buy
again, from the salary comes tax revenue
which results in spending in sectors we all benefit from
dont forget
number one reason why the world today is so much better than the past
is because of increased productivity and division of labour
but population growth's importance differs of course
in some countries it is important
but in others, especially in the west, women workers are way better
@wet pike Just from economics point, that claim lacks stats, that's all I'd add to this discussion
@pseudo peak I replied to it as very few, Mothers have the power to influence to whole next gen, is that not enough power to do massive good? If yes, how is it equal to mere daily work. Tho yes there are no exact numbers here, even then, how is my position wrong?
how so? why would you need data?
Bruh...
Rationally, if you see. Mothers can influence their kids more than dads yes?
nah
rationally?
Rationally, if you see. Mothers can influence their kids more than dads yes?
@wet pike That is a claim that needs a psychologist and a sociologist to check out on, I'm not gonna comment
completely depends on the relationship they have
thats a dangerous assumption youre making
Yepp
Yes, but in general
every influence is not the same, people influence people in different ways
it all depents dont it?
how so? why would you need data?
@wet pike how else would you distinguish between assumptions and reality?
thats a wild assumption you whipped out your backside
@wet pike how else would you distinguish between assumptions and reality?
@pseudo peak thinking rationally
What do you mean by that?
what rationality we using here?
Yeah ๐
thats a wild assumption you whipped out your backside
@cedar swift how so? do mothers no have more influence on the next gen?
See from just propositional logic (chi I mean syllogism)
see
You have begged the question
might just be my western perspective
You have assumed the conclusion and jumped from the premise
@cedar swift how so? do mothers no have more influence on the next gen?
@wet pike no not really
theyre so many other factors
Too many imo
and besides your question flipped over completely
ofc they have an influence, like @split tendon said many things influence a child
to conclude, in the west at least, women workers should be more valuable than a mother
as a parent they definitely do, thats no doubt but it depends how involved they are
It varies on a case by case basis
but getting too involved would also have a negative outcome
helicopter parents?
@wet pike i mean many teenagers rebel against their parents
it is mainstream to rebel against the older generation
What's parsec parenting then? ๐
helicopter parents?
@inner crest i guess you could say that
@wet pike no not really
@cedar swift yes there are. The fact that Mothers have more of an influence than Dads is true. And the kid grows with the mother? How would it be wrong the assume she is the biggest influence.
to^
@cedar swift yes there are. The fact that Mothers have more of an influence than Dads is true. And the kid grows with the mother? How would it be wrong the assume she is the biggest influence.
@wet pike That's one case bruh-
remember what the debate was about" mothers are more valuable than women workers"
Yeah
remember what the debate was about" mothers are more valuable than women workers"
@split tendon Yes they are, but there can be exceptions.
most things cant be generalised
but, as i said again, from a western perspective it is not vital for us to reproduce more
keep in mind we're not saying that no one should be mothers
@cedar swift yes there are. The fact that Mothers have more of an influence than Dads is true. And the kid grows with the mother? How would it be wrong the assume she is the biggest influence.
@wet pike to assume that moms are the only major influence on a kids life is kinda absurd, theyre other factors like where they grow up who they meet what they have access to from an early age even celebrities have an influence on the new gen cause theyre seen to be more cooler
but rather that it isnt necessary for the birth rate to increase
and thus, women shouldnt be discouraged or shamed for creating careers, and not being a mother early on should be normalised
and also their kids who grow up with their dads, wdym
i dont want to pay taxes to someone who blindly birthed like 3 children early on
keep in mind we're not saying that no one should be mothers
@inner crest when you donot recognize the effort women to put in to being mothers to be very high, you de incentivize being a mother
i want taxes to be diverted to a better cause
@inner crest when you donot recognize the effort women to put in to being mothers to be very high, you de incentivize being a mother
@wet pike yeah what's wrong with that?
i would want to benefit more and I want fewer tax burdens
and thus, women shouldnt be discouraged or shamed for creating careers, and not being a mother early on should be normalised
@split tendon people can do whatever they want. Have I shammed women for not being mothers?
There's a correlation bw giving women condoms and the region becoming economically better (Needs citation lemme pull it up)
look i understand it takes a lot of effort, im not saying it doesn't
young mothers are literally burning our tax money
and also their kids who grow up with their dads, wdym
@cedar swift exception cases yes
plus if theyre more benefits for mom with kids dont you think females are going to get the wrong idea and sleep around just to get those benefits
@cedar swift exception cases yes
@wet pike yes your point doesn't hold across the spectrum
maternal instinct hasnt disappeared as much as youd like to think it has
i dont want to pay taxes to someone who blindly birthed like 3 children early on
@split tendon you donโt have to, itโs the dad who has to.
woah
They do it all
@split tendon you donโt have to, itโs the dad who has to.
@wet pike bruhh ๐
plus if theyre more benefits for mom with kids dont you think females are going to get the wrong idea and sleep around just to get those benefits
@cedar swift fun fact my physics teacher genuinely joked that i should get PR in canada and pop babies and reap off the child support to my parents
and honestly, my mom was very involved in my life but i came out to have different ideologies as her, im not even as religious as her anymore
so men automatically have to be ones to work then?
and mothers can just stay at home?
Men empowerment heh?
im supposed to be studying lmao
why dont both the man and the woman work first
Kinda contradicting a few earlier statements afaik but yeah carry on
Exactly
and then wait and have children later on
@wet pike yeah what's wrong with that?
@pseudo peak because you see a hard thing as not as hard
^
and parenting is hard ๐ i dont think any one of us here can comprehend that to the reality it is
@pseudo peak because you see a hard thing as not as hard
@wet pike difficulty has no correlation with economic productivity
Period.
It is not a pre-requisite
yeah hard is not value
plus if theyre more benefits for mom with kids dont you think females are going to get the wrong idea and sleep around just to get those benefits
@cedar swift first, Iโm not in support of premarital sex be legal, itโll also be causing the problem youโre talking about. You canโt marry more then one man at a time soo that solves it.
*not necessarily
lol what
what?
pre marital sex is awesome
@cedar swift first, Iโm not in support of premarital sex be legal, itโll also be causing the problem youโre talking about. You canโt marry more then one man at a time soo that solves it.
@wet pike this over-rules liberty and has no economic rigor since we assume everyone to act in self interest and be free agents
You are not making sense in the lens of economics man
And don't expect it to be obvious to us
You are the one making the claim
economics doesnt care about your feelings
The burden of proof is on you
its cold hard numbers
economics doesnt care about your feelings
@split tendon yes it's just a social science at the end of the day
maternal instinct hasnt disappeared as much as youd like to think it has
@inner crest but itโs on way to be that if we donโt value mothers enough
@inner crest but itโs on way to be that if we donโt value mothers enough
@wet pike Stats?
@cedar swift first, Iโm not in support of premarital sex be legal, itโll also be causing the problem youโre talking about. You canโt marry more then one man at a time soo that solves it.
@wet pike damn, if you ever became president, im moving out
lol
But that's irrelevant to the current discussion at hand
Iโll reply in a while, got a chore to do๐
But that's irrelevant to the current discussion at hand
@pseudo peak so i cant joke around?
No no I just wanna keep things relevant to the topic at hand, chill ๐
I also meant that to his comment not yours, I should've been specific my bad
oh thats also a fault on my part, my bad
Nw
wait, im confused, what is this dudes point, i only jumped in midway into the debate
Trust me I'm there too
@cedar swift fun fact my physics teacher genuinely joked that i should get PR in canada and pop babies and reap off the child support to my parents
@inner crest Heโs a very shitty person for saying that.
so men automatically have to be ones to work then?
@split tendon yes
and mothers can just stay at home?
@split tendon you donโt even have to be a mother for that. Women shouldnโt need to work or cook for you. Of course you can say I need this this and this example cooking in marriage and have that be a contract.
No no I just wanna keep things relevant to the topic at hand, chill ๐
#semi-colon
Kinda contradicting a few earlier statements afaik but yeah carry on
@pseudo peak I should be consistent. What is it thatโs differentiating?
SJWs are basically manbabies
@wet pike difficulty has no correlation with economic productivity
@pseudo peak we arenโt talking about economic productivity now. I literally said that
SJWs are basically manbabies
@tardy crane well, not always yk
but mostly theyโre people who havenโt done shit in their own life
mm
nice then๐๐ป
pog
why is your hand white
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how
anybody here speak chinese?
@pseudo peak no offense๐๐ป
@wet pike this over-rules liberty and has no economic rigor since we assume everyone to act in self interest and be free agents
@pseudo peak Pre martial sex results in alot of single moms and kids born in chaos. Kids should not be going through such things so as to protect them, pre martial sex should be illegal.
@wet pike Stats?
@pseudo peak
All the countries under the line are expected to not grow enough to sustain human life
India, Usa, Japan, Germany and many more
fund your own child
@split tendon exactly, you wonโt be asked to pay for kid who will already have a dad
@wet pike it will continue to pursue its leftist and feminist views
@wet pike it will continue to pursue its leftist and feminist views
@steel blaze Thereโs nothing inherently wrong with feminism, but the prescription majority feminisms give to the problems
exactly
Uhh dude? U cnt put laws on stuff that people do out of their own willingness
@wet pike yeah but they still get benefits, governments still support them even if they have a dad
and i dont like my tax money going down the drain
there are many things that the government is incompetent at, and large family benefits is one of them
Uhh dude? U cnt put laws on stuff that people do out of their own willingness
@cunning mirage but they are there already. People who are willing to do incest canโt.
Not that Iโm vouching for that
Anyone else feel like this debate is gng too far?
@wet pike yeah but they still get benefits, governments still support them even if they have a dad
@split tendon no bro, the government shouldnโt wdym?
yeah exactly
Who said there should be large family benefits?
but they do!
lmao ebolish that
dont ahve many children
if you do, fund them your yoursef
Anyone else feel like this debate is gng too far?
@cunning mirage agreed
and dont get children early on
We're going down a Rabbit hole
and dont get children early on
@split tendon depends if youโre willing to

yeah did igcse in May June series and my grades were somewhere within this range