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#🏆-event-chat
abstract gate
thorn plank
Two biggest problems with this event: 1: nothing was running with it so there was no time based issue to have warships out and about. 2: it needs to be 48 hours instead of 24 so there isn’t incentive to do dailies early or late in a 12 hour window.
abstract gate
So for you it would be pot, rob, or sgw in the system
tall valley
That's what they should have called this event. Discovery.
abstract gate
ATMcin 😝
trail basin
amazing how fast some scores are rising right now, when there arent any warships out and about...
formal lance
Actually when I was on I don’t think there were any of the big red players on, likely just time of day.
inland hamlet
Basicly problem is alliances are spam feeding points in isolated spots.
Or spam base defending.
Could of made it 1 leader board day with burst type mechanic for points scoring
rugged zenith
It’s frustrating to watch your first place legal win evaporate because two other alliances have figured out how to cheat
abstract gate
They are mostly night shift
thorn plank
People are using a “drop and shoot” method. 1 is sacrificing for the rest of their alliance.
rugged zenith
Exactly poppa
formal lance
I was on late. Saw skard once. That time frame
inland hamlet
If its token based system like arena systems.
Feeding for points is limited
abstract gate
Ah. Skard had a lot of fun last night hitting armadas
He is a ftp player for the rest of yall
inland hamlet
If is no warp outunless on death, means no escape battle royale
formal lance
Yeah we made armada off limit but didn’t balk when someone hit ours
rugged zenith
Wow you were hitting armadas? You would be kos on our server
abstract gate
We've been kos before 😜
long eagle
Everybody ready for the round two of this shit😂😂😂😂
formal lance
But we didn’t get into it as much as y’all did
inland hamlet
Can see changes being made b4 round 2
abstract gate
We haven't had a war in a while, people were chomping at the bit
rugged zenith
Won’t be participating. Put up a 24 hour shield and enjoy your time off
formal lance
Yeah that makes sense
limber remnant
Swarm would be good. Anything that turns this from hunting hidden prey into massive pew pew
@abstract gate Just start a pvp server then kill each other and actually LET the rest of us PLAY. This event has prevented over 90% of players from playing the game.
abstract gate
Go get yourself a pve server where you aren't able to attack other players
burnt cypress
Not hitting Armadas is a NAP on our server, except if there is a war between 2 alliances then yes.
thorn plank
Sad part is, we have an active server war going. Still a ghost town. Lol
abstract gate
Again, roe/server nap should be contingent on events
long eagle
Have to be honest... I would not really mind if they did shut down this shitty game forever
abstract gate
Have to be honest... I would not really mind if they did shut down this shitty game forever
@long eagle so delete it
burnt cypress
@abstract gate No it shouldn't be because then there is always an excuse for you not to obey RoE.
long eagle
Not goin take too long I will... for the second time😂😂
abstract gate
@abstract gate No it shouldn't be because then there is always an excuse for you not to obey RoE.
@burnt cypress only durring pvp events
long eagle
It was a great year without this shitty game tbh
burnt cypress
No, because there is always some event running.....Sorry your logic is faulty.
abstract gate
Lat rush event doesn't void roe for miners
But a pvp event voids protection against pvp
burnt cypress
And yet there are those alliances that ignore RoE and attack "plucked Chickens" . Sorry that doesn't wash.
unreal fjord
Where is skill in killing miners or smaller ships?
abstract gate
Miners don't score points in event, they are fine and protected
limber remnant
Go get yourself a pve server where you aren't able to attack other players
@abstract gate I have no problem with pvp but I should be allowed to just do my dailies or missions if I desire too. I shouldn’t be forced to quit playing the game just because I choose to do other stuff instead of pvp. This event FORCES you to do pvp or quit playing.
burnt cypress
So you want to make it more confusing for the already mirades of confused players....
abstract gate
Not confusing. Pretty straight forward.
It goes with no loot no shoot. If you're kumari scores me points in event, your kumari is open target
Your bb doesn't, so your bb isn't a target
unreal fjord
dood cmon u miner killer
abstract gate
It's working fine on my server
formal lance
I got a ton of opc out of the event. No warships out hunting but mine.
obtuse shoal
amen to that.. except I was using my t9 NS 😄
formal lance
Yum
abstract gate
Yeah, mining opc was a big thing for this
burnt cypress
No it is not straight forward. On our server we have players that don't speak english and don't understand simple statements...try being admiral...who spends more time coaching players than actually playing the game.
limber remnant
I tried 4 times to do dailies but the second I get to my destination to do so some whale ambushed me and wouldn’t let me do my dailies. THAT is what is wrong with this event. If scopely wants this game to fail THIS is the blueprint for that. There are people who have quit forever over this. You take away every player like me and you don’t even have enough players for 1 server who are like you. Do you really want this game to fail and go away? Cause it sure sounds like you do
abstract gate
I was an admiral for a bit, i was spacecataz's number one long ago in her alliance
burnt cypress
Maybe they should move all the whales on to one server!
obtuse shoal
VISA / Mastercard would complain about another bank being set up
abstract gate
I moved to the more event and pvp focused alliance
narrow dragon
Better than what happened in my server 4 alliances decided to kick a few players who would let then then hit there ships outside of bases
abstract gate
Better than what happened in my server 4 alliances decided to kick a few players who would let then then hit there ships outside of bases
@narrow dragon we sent our bigger players to smash up those exchanges and keep it honest
narrow dragon
Was 2 of the bigger alliances that did it then 2 smaller copied been hitting them all when I’ve found it just scummy tactics
burnt cypress
@narrow dragon and I can get picture proof of this cheating going on....
narrow dragon
Yep could do but nothing will happen as it’s not against game rules just scummy tactics
burnt cypress
It is cheating...as simple as that. All who cheat are really cheating themselves.
limber remnant
With the response on this being overwhelmingly negative I can see major changes to this before the next time.
burnt cypress
You have achieved nothing by cheating.
obtuse shoal
besides winning the vent?
pale cobalt
Is it cheating if the mechanics allow it and the only person being cheated themselves is the one who drops tags?
burnt cypress
But what have you really won?
obsidian gate
5..4..3..2...1..0 end of the show
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south arrow
Can you please end this stupid arc now ? With no rewards in the event I have no willingness to do any of them
burnt cypress
Yes for cheating oh wow how great is that.
limber remnant
And if for some reason scopely refuses to listen to the feedback on this I believe that most of us who hate this event will simply quit which will likely cause irreparable damage to this game.
abstract gate
devout tusk
I personally loved it
burnt cypress
They, Scopely, will not get a single cent from me anymore. Seeing they support Cheaters they will not be getting any more of my money.
formal lance
Nice doodbro
abstract gate
Yall had a healthy placing too if i remember the board correct
formal lance
No I don’t think so
abstract gate
I thought you were top 10
formal lance
We had like 5 members get really into it and everyone else is like meh or using the opportunity to raid or get opc
abstract gate
I did see a few of yours in rator last night when it was a shooting gallery
formal lance
I think yesterday we were but we definitely fell off
abstract gate
Ah
humble siren
No bleak times in EU servers?
formal lance
All good, we are improving or solid in other events and having a good time together. Plus I’m sure I got that much in refinable opc. The problem is people need to focus on what they can do well in adverse situations and maximize it.
abstract gate
Yep. Just because you can't join in the fight between the bigs, doesn't mean there isn't a lower space you can find to participate in
And when all else fails, realta strike
formal lance
We need another realta battle soon
formal lance
Lol we just organize them 🔥
silent horizon
My alliance got 6th, I am was still happier with this clown fiesta than the realta thing
formal lance
It doesn’t have to be an event
abstract gate
We do our own realta battles on our server, dom
silent horizon
Oh, good for you then, have fun
formal lance
Yes, just for fun 😀
abstract gate
Hopefully with the integration of other star treks we will get a runabout as an upgraded realta
Realta with big warp
formal lance
I want my station to either have whales as an upgrade or look like ds 9
Wouldn’t it be fun if the alien probe wandered around attacking stations or the planet they are at and throwing the stations to other planets unless you have whales?
abstract gate
A roaming vger?
formal lance
Vger would be different but also cool. I mean the whale probe
What could they do with vger that would be cool?
I want the vger lady as an officer
limber remnant
Yep. Just because you can't join in the fight between the bigs, doesn't mean there isn't a lower space you can find to participate in
@abstract gate problem with that is the whales sit in every system just waiting for anyone smaller than them to come in. Some of us don’t have unlimited money and unlimited time to play the way you like to play. So why force a whole game to play your style when the vast majority of us don’t want this event.
abstract gate
Sounds like your server sucks, maybe transfer to one with a healthier balance?
radiant flicker
Best pvp event ever people use 2 accounts or leave ally and let their ships killed by mates thats real pvp all the heroes outside wich done it you are loosers 🤣
abstract gate
I'm not a whale, don't have an alt, and not high level for my server
limber remnant
Sounds like your server sucks, maybe transfer to one with a healthier balance?
@abstract gate If you are on cats server then so am I. I used to be in roms. And we were forced into pvp or hide and not play. Wow khan mtrx and cage refused to let anyone do dailies or missions etc.
formal lance
We argue all the time but it’s a great server for gameplay honestly @abstract gate we are lucky
abstract gate
I am in RËD, lvl 31, and my biggest ship is sub 1mil
formal lance
You went rom doodbro?
abstract gate
No, unblack is
limber remnant
I’m lvl 30 with a1 mil bort and was constantly hit by 34s an up
Catt it’s me uhh
Ugh
abstract gate
My personal score for event was 3500
limber remnant
Ubh dang auto correct
formal lance
It’s you?
limber remnant
If mine were to show it would be -3000.
Catt I had wanted to come back to roms. But that stupid war with roe alliance is still going on.
abstract gate
With everyone hiding, the people out doing dailies were the targets. A lot of em could get away, just have to watch for ships coming in and warp out
limber remnant
In Ωmega now
Couldn’t do that and look for my next hostile the whole thing sucked
heady sleet
This stupid pvp whale love event is literally driving people away from the game. This is from one:They keep moving the game more & more where it favors high level pirate style players. If this keeps up I’ll be deleting the app & spending my down time with something else
limber remnant
Well like I said this event was pvp or quit playing
abstract gate
Always a ravenu or mando hunting us, so we play like that most of the time
limber remnant
Mando doesn’t bother me. Only the sweepers like dead or lat bat ever bother me. At least until this event
abstract gate
Yeah, but in RËD we have players who decide to drop tags and just hunt us for a grudge. That kind of play is a daily norm for me
iron cairn
This event sucked.. people had one of their players leave their alliance and do suicidal runs against bases.... and everyone else in the alliance turtled up
severe turtle
Yep same on this server
abstract gate
That would be rather expensive for the player who dropped tags and isn't getting reward
To get scores up that high, that is a lot of ship repairs and speedups
No boosting needed, but this is a healthier distribution of scores
golden pier
Use vemet and crash the same ship multiple times to cheese.
shrewd knot
I guess you don't get awards for not wanting to hurt your alliances on progress. Couldn't win or find a fight, didn't get awards for what my alliance managed to get.
abstract gate
Use vemet and crash the same ship multiple times to cheese.
@golden pier you would still need to do that hundreds of times
iron cairn
All you need it one hit to get the reward..easy
golden pier
@abstract gate sure. we did like 130k "normal" way. doing 200k with a lvl 1 augur ist just like 150 times vemet triggerung twice or thrice reduces it to maybe 75 repairs.
This is how other alliances quickly made zons of points cheesing the event. Same as arena gauntlet few weeks ago.
woven belfry
For level 33s, does doing damage to Armadas in the special systems for flash events give points? It just says hostiles but sometimes Armadas count as hostiles and sometimes not
olive bridge
Do we wait to start the Tilly missions? Is there going to be an event/milestone or not?
granite zenith
the side missions? go ahead.. have fun they are side missions
real bluff
For level 33s, does doing damage to Armadas in the special systems for flash events give points? It just says hostiles but sometimes Armadas count as hostiles and sometimes not
@woven belfry no
woven belfry
Thanks @real bluff . I didn't get a pop-up with points but I know those are missing at times, and my alliance mates said you do
real bluff
Only in the alliance flash event
This was the scores for the pvp event on my server. Was hard to find anyone in any systems
alpine snow
Yeah once the initial rush of killing idles and people figuring out not to leave their base it was REAL obvious who was doing underhanded things.
real bluff
I was at work for the start managed 6 today and that was lucky to find more then anything
waxen galleon
Doesn’t matter, the top two alliances most likely cheesed their way to a win.
inland hamlet
What you noticed with pvp event was 2nd part of an alliance scored 0 while main scored high
I. E. Players used alt accounts to boost mains.
Which is an exploit
Plus only positive scorers got rewards.
So this whole event top alliances exited game mechanics to win or place.
It's obvious by spread of points.
haughty bane
Is there still an event to get 10/10?
inland hamlet
Yet what will get done 0, they have their rewards. For exploiting the game mechanics.
rugged zenith
No boosting needed, but this is a healthier distribution of scores
@abstract gate it’s obvious there was still cheezing
inland hamlet
Anyone else would be banned for using exploits.
Top alliance on our server scored 732k, 2nd place 116k
Their respective 2nd string alliance power rank 5th and 6th scored 0
How obvious can you get
Rewards for other exploits were removed..
Much later but was obvious throughout yet nothing was done
3rd 4th 5th and 6th scored around 40k.
heavy cradle
I. E. Players used alt accounts to boost mains.
Which is an exploit
Plus only positive scorers got rewards.
So this whole event top alliances exited game mechanics to win or place.It's obvious by spread of points.
@inland hamlet
It's not an exploit to use the game mechanics to win. It may be "cheesing it", but it's not an exploit. An exploit implies using means outside of normal game mechanics to win - i.e. getting points for doing nothing.
No more cheesing it than to buy packs in the store to score points in a LB event. Again, hate the gam
every leaderboard event in this game is gamed by the few
inland hamlet
An exploit definition is using a game mechanic not designed for to gain rewards.
I. E. Mission planet exploit.
Having multiple accounts is against tos and feeding your own account is against tos
So exploits and cheating.
heavy cradle
having someone drop their alliance and crash into your base isn't an exploit though. It may not be "in the spirit of the game", but it's not an exploit
uneven dove
Where the F are the normal faction events?
real bluff
Having multiple accounts is against tos and feeding your own account is against tos
@inland hamlet actually when reported to scopley a player known to have 5 accounts they said it wasn't agaisnt TOS and they wouldn't be investigating it
uneven dove
Are you taking a piss at me scopely
inland hamlet
If you feed your own account or an alliance mate with resources that's cheating. Or an exploit.
So feeding points should be too
real bluff
Agreed
heavy cradle
how is that cheating?
inland hamlet
Gaining advantage through non intended means.
heavy cradle
because you feel it's unfair doesn't mean it's cheating. If one player decides to attack another player and lose on purpose, that's not cheating
intended means - player vs player combat, with points given based on teh results
inland hamlet
But feeding resources to a main account from an alt is considered cheating and is punished.
In this case points are fed instead of resources.
heavy cradle
an exploit would be "I do this and get free points". Each player got the points as directed by the event.
again outside the "spirit of the event", but the outcome is exactly as described by the event rules
the two accounts are seperate. The game mechanics were followed as intended.
inland hamlet
No points were gained on base raids unless you 1 hit bases
So b in hitting and losing deliberately is feeding points.
Which was against the event design
heavy cradle
agains the spirit of the event, the rules were followed and points handed out as intended
inland hamlet
Not spirit against design
heavy cradle
if the rules do not encourage the spirit of the event, it's not the players fault, they specifically followed the game rules
inland hamlet
Design was ship ship pvp
Not my alt v my main in some far off corner
heavy cradle
did a ship blow up?
by another ship and/or station?
did one account attack another account?
inland hamlet
No rules listed in event description made no reference to losing ships v basrs
inland hamlet
When 1st alliance scores 10x total of rest of server. Its obvious it's hinky
heavy cradle
yes, one account attacked a different account. A pvp transaction transpired.
did one ship blow up? Did the account that lost lose points?
inland hamlet
As has been posted.. 90% turtle.
So where were all these ships getting splatted
heavy cradle
Did the account that lost lose points? Did the other account gain points?
again, no exploit. The system was "working as intended" Wasn't free points, one player had to repair, and lost points for it. The other "won", and gained points for it.
inland hamlet
X alliance fed by x alliance2. 1st and 2nd in power on server.
X alliance scores 500k points x alliance2 scored 0.
heavy cradle
cheese? absolutely. fun? not particularly. "cheating"? no.
granite zenith
i agree with @heavy cradle it was definately not an exploit... it was a loophole against the spirit
heavy cradle
barely even a loophole. More like a gaping, glaring issue with the event design and pvp implementation in the game.
granite zenith
tomato, tomato
inland hamlet
Yet mission planets was considered a loophole as is alts feeding mains with resources but both them resulted in bans
heavy cradle
average players are like Ricky Bobby
especially in a group leaderboard
you leave that glaring of an issue, it's going to be used. It's done on every single leaderboard though
uneven dove
Where are the normal events?
granite zenith
hopefully the loophole will be adjusted
the same reason they added negative points... to close another loophole of point trading
inland hamlet
So if someone makes 10 alts feeds main account to ops 39 that's not an exploit but a loophole
granite zenith
yes... thats a loophole
an exploit would be me being able to hit a miner mining and get points... when it says you cannot
heavy cradle
hopefully the loophole will be adjusted
the same reason they added negative points... to close another loophole of point trading
@granite zenith
There is no way to remove the "loophole" of folks paying other folks to throw the fight by penalizing everyone over it.
Make the system fun and reasonably balanced, and the more will participate.
inland hamlet
So basicly your advocating people exploit the game and devs lack of enforcement to progress
granite zenith
im not advocating anything... maybe scopely should get the loophole finders to test the events
heavy cradle
So if someone makes 10 alts feeds main account to ops 39 that's not an exploit but a loophole
@inland hamlet
This isn't even a loophole. It's the game mechanics. Everyone is feeding folks up to level 39 as part of the system. You using your own time is no different than using someone else's.
inland hamlet
Can't say oh it's allowed then not advocate everyone do it
granite zenith
sure there is @heavy cradle lock everyone into the alliance for the duration of the event... its been done before in other games
use the flag that keeps you from rejoining an aliance for 8 hours invalidate points
inland hamlet
Reason your not advising people to do so is people have been banned for doing so.
granite zenith
who was banned for using a loophole?
heavy cradle
plenty of better ways to fix the system than more punishment.
uneven dove
Where are the normal events?
inland hamlet
Multi accounting people have been banned
heavy cradle
make the pvp open and fair, use systems like hull damage done.
granite zenith
i used mission planets all the time and never got banned
uneven dove
Where is my event reward
heavy cradle
create a better overall system where folks want to opt in, instead of opting outside.
granite zenith
you can have 1 event per device...
inland hamlet
But mission planets was deemed an exploit not a feature
granite zenith
that has been clarified multiple times
heavy cradle
you can have 1 event per device...
@granite zenith
you realize folks have multiple devices, right? not really a stretch to say that doesn't help.
granite zenith
no mission planets were deemed an unintended side effect
inland hamlet
But exploiting an unintended side effect is still an exploit
Unless you report the issue
heavy cradle
¯_(ツ)_/¯
inland hamlet
By not reporting the issue when found alliances have exploited a bug
zinc sable
My 2 cents regarding PvP events. Great concept, pitiful execution. This last attempt basically became a licence for whales to run amok across the galaxy. No one could do anything but hide unless they have a ship or 2 with multiple million power. No dailies, no events, no missions. At least when it was restricted to certain systems it gave us a choice to go or not. Or restricted ships that everyone has, like a galaxy wide realta PvP event would be awesome! But this is like racing a lada against a ferrari. It was a joke for us low to mid level players. Scopely, you can do better.
heavy cradle
point is, the event was a disaster, and the low point numbers just prove it.
granite zenith
im not knocking that part of it @heavy cradle
using an alt account is still playing within the spirit of the event
dropping tags to rack up points and then rejoining the alliance to get the points IS not in the spirit of the event
heavy cradle
im not knocking that part of it @heavy cradle
using an alt account is still playing within the spirit of the event
dropping tags to rack up points and then rejoining the alliance to get the points IS not in the spirit of the event
@granite zenith
Rejoining gets you zero points. You cannot join an alliance in the middle of an ALB and gain rewards
the person that dropped tags gets nothing.
inland hamlet
Only non scorers got nothing even if their alliance placed
heavy cradle
and they'd have to have a positive score in the end to get the rewards as well
unless they broke everything from every other ALB that they run
granite zenith
you CAN rejoin the original alliance as long as you had a positive point score
negative points dont accrue
inland hamlet
If they were in alliance at start and later rejoined same alliance they got rewards
heavy cradle
you CAN rejoin the original alliance as long as you had a positive point score
negative points dont accrue
@granite zenith
Okay, that is an exploit then.
inland hamlet
Only got 0 rewards for changing slliances
granite zenith
and thats what im upset about... that one point alone
had 0 issues with anything else
heavy cradle
again, it's within the game rules, though. The Devs need to have more engineer gamers on staff to review these game mechanics and figure out how players will use them.
shrewd knot
So basically people are penalized for not wanting to feed whales.
inland hamlet
If your alliance mates stayed home not scored they also got zero
heavy cradle
or maybe make a system that incentivizes, instead of punishes, play
inland hamlet
And 0 scores also got zero reward, I. E. Lost more than they gsined
hollow fossil
@granite zenith then maby you should have experienced this pvp event in the ops 20's, totally different viewpoints
heavy cradle
being honest here - the entire ecosystem in the game is predicated on a pyramid-scheme like setup. You have to have more players lower than you than bigger than you in order to "compete"
granite zenith
i did... it was called a server wide war...
i learned to watch my surrounding... and there were 0 rewards
heavy cradle
doesn't even have to be server-wide. Just get into a tiff with a high player ops alliance
granite zenith
watch your surroundings.. warp out... utilize the STOP WARP which we didnt have back then... go to another system... come back... work in groups...
btw in my 30s i still have the 40s and 50s hunting me as well...
shrewd knot
Feed the whales, or get the hose again.
granite zenith
the I CANT PLAY excuse... well thats one i dont accept... learn to play the game
uneven dove
Hit 1 ship, shield and send miners out. That is the strategy for these BS events
shrewd knot
I was more worried about messing up what my alliance had worked hard to get.
heavy cradle
again, penalizing participation is stupid.
granite zenith
so is trading kills... that was why the negative points was introduced
heavy cradle
by trying to "stop" the trading of kills, they created even more issues. Instead of doing that, make it where you get less points the more you kill the same player.
cloud grail
Lets just stick to the point that the "New PvP" Event they came up with went Ugly as with new things that crop up in this game with first launch. Normally I would be the one throwing Gasoline in the current dumpster fire. But with Scopely's New Attitude of Adjustments, I am actually hopeful they will adjust and make it better. Not Perfect but more Fair.
narrow hull
@granite zenith Events should be designed to encourage gameplay... not the other way around. A zero sum server wide PvP event only encourages turtle behavior. We should not have to learn to enjoy a badly designed event.
heavy cradle
so is trading kills... that was why the negative points was introduced
@granite zenith Way better "player-friendly" ways to incentivize better play than punishments.
granite zenith
it encourgages learning how to play... strategy...
wartime mining
wartime dailies
real bluff
@granite zenith I posted an idea for a pvp event earlier which would go with the story line of the 3 factions are at war pick a side
heavy cradle
again, decreasing points per kill on the same player. Give points based on hull dmg (thus slaughtering a lvl 1 stella isn't actually profitable)
granite zenith
i like the damage idea
also like a multiplier based on power
heavy cradle
TONS of ways to make a pvp system "fair".
What they did was "oh, I can take this existing crap sammich and toss some siracha on it"
narrow hull
“Learn to play a bad event” is like going to a restaurant and having the waiter tell you the food is supposed to taste like crap. “Learn to enjoy that turd taco” 🌮
heavy cradle
base it on hull damage. Add a diminishing returns for killing the same player account.
granite zenith
man i hope some of you guys never have a real war... you'll quit the game
final prism
24hr shields for everyone
heavy cradle
S36 has basically been at war for months 🤣
hollow fossil
@granite zenith you cant have a war in this game, there is no mechainc for it
shrewd totem
man i hope some of you guys never have a real war... you'll quit the game
@granite zenith they would just go solo or switch alliances
cloud grail
@granite zenith you cant have a war in this game, there is no mechainc for it
@hollow fossil I disagree, Kill ROE follow TOS only. that is permanent War
granite zenith
war = kill every ship on the other guys team... repeatedly
this is boot camp guys... this is training
final prism
Tumbleweeds and crickets on our server. More family time
shrewd knot
Yeah I mistook this as a startrek game, based on startrek philosophy of working together and exploring. Not all war all the time
granite zenith
yes you did
granite zenith
this is based on the Abrams series... which was all about pew pew pew
scenic cloud
To all those that admonished me for saying this is a PvP game. Na na Nana na pew pew pew
uneven dove
This is a who has the biggest wallet game
granite zenith
learn about what game you are playing before you complain
uneven dove
Where some people get unfair benefits
cloud grail
Shooting Miners is Valid under ToS, I may not like it. I don't think it fosters Game Longevity but Scopely obviously disagrees and allows this.
uneven dove
Even the last event:
shrewd totem
There is only verbal bullying through chat system. Which you can report to CS
Killing pixels is no where near bullying
glass storm
please stop blaming the developers. they came up with a decent concept and players exploited it. if we wamt to improve it its up to us to give valid suggestions, not complain about what we as players ruined.
shrewd totem
I like how they at least tried and hope they keep doing it with some improvements
uneven dove
“Decent concept”
cloud grail
Yes the Pay Model in this Game is overly unfair. I have seen many pay models that still allow for more fair PvP but this is not the Scopely way. Learn it Live it or Leave it
heavy cradle
Blame the game system, not the players. The players used the system as designed. The developers are supposed to create a good balance playing experience.
uneven dove
Nothing more then a brainfart
heavy cradle
I'm typically the first one to say "don't blame the devs" but in this case it has been repeatedly shown (and pointed out) that these pvp events are broken.
yet they still release new ones without any lessons learned
final prism
Don't you think the empty servers prove most players don't see this game primary as a war game?
cloud grail
Language
scenic cloud
Server merger
granite zenith
your opinion @uneven dove of the event is valid
uneven dove
Wow the scopely sensorship is there again
shrewd totem
Don't you think the empty servers prove most players don't see this game primary as a war game?
@final prism doesnt mean that we should forget about people who likes PvP
You guys had PvE for 2 years
heavy cradle
Give us good pvp
uneven dove
This game will never have good PVP
heavy cradle
That's like saying "you guys haven't gotten punched in the gym for 2 years, but I want full contact"
abstract gate
Seriously, we get one event and you're screaming about quiting the game
final prism
PvP in dedicated systems okay, but this concept flawed
scenic cloud
I pew pew your safe space.
heavy cradle
PVP as a concept in this game is flawed
granite zenith
Scopley can you please create Star Trek Farming Command... so that those of us who like BOTH... can not have to deal with the complainers who only wanna farm?
cloud grail
Give us good pvp
@heavy cradle I 100% agree, but they havent figured this concept out yet.. the Pay Model Breaks it EVERYTIME
uneven dove
Even same ships are simply not same due to alle the research buffs
narrow hull
The problem isn’t pushing PvP through an event... it’s doing so unilaterally. No one likes being forced to participate. The event would have been fine if it was limited to a number of systems or had an opt in mechanic.
real bluff
@final prism doesnt mean that we should forget about people who likes PvP
@shrewd totem pvp is meant to be a challenge though. Where is the challenge in knowing you will beat a player 10 or 11 levels lower then you and not leave a dent?
abstract gate
I am advocating for movimg all of yall to pve servers that don't allow any attacks on players
uneven dove
So realta event still favors the level 45 over the level 30
heavy cradle
@heavy cradle I 100% agree, but they havent figured this concept out yet.. the Pay Model Breaks it EVERYTIME
@cloud grail
Plenty of pay games have figured out pvp. Even ones with subscription services.
just because Digit has zero imagination doesn't mean a pay model is bad
granite zenith
and scoplely is figuring it out now...
they weren't born figured out
cloud grail
yes Blu3 Bee, Again I agree. But Sadly Scopely Hasnt and this is the root of my "sopely" hate
final prism
making daily tasks impossible to complete is the way to go, is suppose
granite zenith
ya gotta have some oopses... and im ok with that
uneven dove
They removed my events
granite zenith
they werent impossibe
uneven dove
So most likely after 72 hours you get a Nono reaction from some script support employee
hollow fossil
@granite zenith this pvp event would have been much more palatable if the bands were tightened up like has been asked for, I don't care if the super high levels are scarce pvp options, thats the price you payed for speeding up beyond the masses of players
abstract gate
In this case it's not the game, it's user error if you can't complete
granite zenith
you gotta be strategic... like i said it was bootcamp
learn how to wartime mine and do dailies
heavy cradle
the PVP in STFC wa put in as an afterthought to make up for the complete lack of mid to end game content, and create an environment where people will pay more to "win"
real bluff
Put the power levels so they are fixed and only go up as you upgrade your base/ships then make pvp power based so you have a power bracket of 1mil. That would be better then having the huge level gaps we currently have
uneven dove
Same event, same alliance => unfair benefits
granite zenith
@hollow fossil i have no issue with a tighter scoring bracket...
scenic cloud
@heavy cradle WOW
cloud grail
@granite zenith this pvp event would have been much more palatable if the bands were tightened up like has been asked for, I don't care if the super high levels are scarce pvp options, thats the price you payed for speeding up beyond the masses of players
@hollow fossil PvP Bands do not and Cannot Fix the constant Miner Massacre
heavy cradle
the system is so broken as to be non-existent. It was so "not fun" that they opened it up to allow 50's to hit 35s.
because the whales were "bored", and didn't want to attack each other cause they had to drop a Franklin (or more) to repair ships.
There are a million ways they can introduce real player vs player content that would be hecka fun in this game. Make battlezones that you enter and "dock" to a starbase: during the event repairs are free and happen every 30s. You are sent out to do system-wide tasks.
scenic cloud
@heavy cradle boohoo
granite zenith
on the other hand... if you make them too tight...
you cannot clear an empty or opl miner
you cannot join in a raid with your higher level teammates
your higher level teammates cannot help defend your base
heavy cradle
Make player controlled stations(armadas). Alliance A takes the station and leaves ships to defend. Alliance B has to attack that station and beat it to "win". Ships aren't available while docked at the station (see pokemon go pvp)
cloud grail
The Most Rewarding PvP in this Game is Actually Player Vs Inactive Player. you find an offline base and raid it. Sad
heavy cradle
tons of ways to make decent content that's fun for all levels, not just bully mentality.
hollow fossil
@cloud grail that would not be as bad if the miners returned automatily on 0 node like just every other mobile game i can think of, restouce gathering never sits on the map forever
granite zenith
do you want me to chew your food for you too?@hollow fossil
scenic cloud
PvP is fun.
hollow fossil
@granite zenith no i expect people to think
heavy cradle
PVP is fun. I play several other games regularly with pvp, and it's fun.
this isn't PVP
cloud grail
PvP is fun.
@scenic cloud PvP Should Be Fun - Fixed. In this game it isnt
granite zenith
me too
pay attention to your surroundings.. and think
heavy cradle
I dunno, the other similar games I play to this have auto-return on completion of a resource task.
hollow fossil
i did, i wasn't going to feed the slaughter fest and didn't
heavy cradle
you can get hit while gathering, but you don't just sit like an idiot
hollow fossil
exactly
granite zenith
and i dont play those games
i dont want my stuff done for me
i wanna do them
heavy cradle
so you like active mining, then @granite zenith ?
heavy cradle
(actually, I do as well.. )
scenic cloud
Did you know that you get points for one shooting a station with warships. Lots o fun.
heavy cradle
I find normal mining boring,
granite zenith
wish they were all like that
real bluff
Did any of you play the hobbit back in 2010-2011?
cloud grail
"Auto-Return" is an interesting Feature and in my imagination a Quality of Life Feature a player can subscribe to. Worth Paying for but not Game Breaking or Unfair
granite zenith
get in... get it done and get out
scenic cloud
Did you know you can us a ns. To blow up war ships. .
granite zenith
just like dailies...
or any other event
mining is boring... give me an away mission to do my "inactive" mining... so i can spend my time being active
real bluff
No1 played the hobbit?😭 God I feel old
hollow fossil
@granite zenith well, then you should get scopley to start removing the dumb timers
scenic cloud
Ns, is great. You don't lose points if you dy in the PvP event if you dy
granite zenith
that... THAT is where you can get your autoreturn in
cloud grail
Away Missions... turn it into Mini Games.. I would Love Love Love that
heavy cradle
no, I was playing WoW back then @real bluff . Did play Everquest back in 2001, though.
granite zenith
WoW... i need to renew my sub... i still like that game
heavy cradle
I tried out ST:O during that time period, though
granite zenith
ugh... sto lasted all of one hour on my device
heavy cradle
I got burned out during cataclysm, came back for the tail end of Pandaria and Legion.. then got bored of the system. Played a bit of Legion when it was put as part of the base game, that was okay
real bluff
Reason I asked about the hobbit is its a mobile game. Its 10 years old now but had pvp sorted out and even had res and progression sorted out to a point it didn't take months to upgrade anything. Scopley could learn from it to improve this game
heavy cradle
WoW is a great example of horrid PVP turned on it's tail, though. Battlegrounds, and subsequent work at world pvp, really improved things.
scenic cloud
Boring
heavy cradle
plenty of other persistent game worlds (and even non-persistent ones) that they could take ideas from.
that are popular and active
tropic aspen
Ahhh time to not sleep for the next two days. Yay
abstract gate
WoW is a great example of horrid PVP turned on it's tail, though. Battlegrounds, and subsequent work at world pvp, really improved things.
@heavy cradle the player made pvp zone of constant ongoing raidgroups fighting in barrens, and over the enterance to BWL and MC was way more fun than the bg crap that pvp ended up forcibly boxed into.
could the PVP event maybe be faction based? ie... with grinding faction rep.... one is always the enemy......
No, most players over 32 have faction lock, and are friendly with all
bugger
yup fair point well made
real bluff
could the PVP event maybe be faction based? ie... with grinding faction rep.... one is always the enemy......
@abstract gate We have 3 main factions in the game. Have each alliance pick a faction to support and then do a war between the 3 factions in the home systems day 1 is ROMSvFED in sol for example and all ROM faction alliances can send ships to sol to battle all FED alliances
abstract gate
That would regress into just the 2 strongest alliances, and no one else competing
real bluff
Then feds v klingons, klingons v roms
ashen wharf
Thats already the case
abstract gate
i only went klingons because every fecker was mining gas - thought it'd be easier to go against the demand
System specific is what blocks smaller players from being able to sneak around and compete
real bluff
That would regress into just the 2 strongest alliances, and no one else competing
@abstract gate if you have to pick a faction though they may end up different factions or others may be able to fight agaisnt them as a group
Also if pvp levels where fixed so no the cluster f*** they currently are the bigger players would have to battle each other
abstract gate
Also if pvp levels where fixed so no the cluster f*** they currently are the bigger players would have to battle each other
@real bluff whale lives matter
Everyone complains about the bigger players dominating, and thinks the solution is to put all the fish in one tiney barrel for them?
scenic cloud
Wow only 50 ppl participants in the last 15 minute event.
real bluff
Everyone complains about the bigger players dominating, and thinks the solution is to put all the fish in one tiney barrel for them?
@abstract gate im about average for my level there are players at my level stronger and there are some higher levels that are weaker but are you saying that a 33 with faction ships should be able to attack a 23 whos strongest ship is the valks?
abstract gate
They can't
real bluff
They can im 33 and can attack level 23s
abstract gate
Rly? I'm 31 and same, thought it jumped up again before that
real bluff
No lowest in can hit is 23. Thats why I say pvp levels in the game are so wrong
scenic cloud
Waaaaaaa
abstract gate
I'm saying that making me send my lvl31 piddly ship to the same one system as all the 35-45s to pvp is just telling me i have to repair a dozen times for a dozen points
In that scenario, i am fodder.
ashen wharf
Thats pvp bro
abstract gate
Everyone complains about the bigger players dominating, and thinks the solution is to put all the fish in one tiney barrel for them?
@abstract gate maybe they need to alter the qualifying ships. hyperthetically .... seriously a lvl 50 26million ship against a lvl 33 410k franklin? [not seen it happen, but no doubt it has somewhere]
real bluff
And the same for the 23s
abstract gate
When it is system wide, i can hunt and run
I was able to outscore an alliance of all 35+ last event
real bluff
Thats pvp bro
@ashen wharf no its fly swotting. Huge huge difference between pvp and what we have here. Pvp is meant to be a challenge and thinking can I take this player. Not looking at a ship and going nope im going to recal or not even send a ship out
scenic cloud
Wow. Sounds as if. Dare I say. ISM much?
abstract gate
Because I can do math
why were scopely beta testing new events on the live servers? so many loopholes that could have been used - and yup, they were used. If the event had some testing. what was the demographic of players testing?
real bluff
Pvp is meant to be a challenge or make you use your brains as to what crew will win this battle. I had to do that with an intriped at 1.8mil with my 1.3mil sally I won but I've also lost when they was set with a pvp crew
abstract gate
You think throwing a 1mil sali at a ktinga is how you pvp?
real bluff
why were scopely beta testing new events on the live servers? so many loopholes that could have been used - and yup, they were used
@abstract gate we are all beta servers
ashen wharf
i mean your the one that wants to pvp go for the big ones
scenic cloud
1\3 ship 1\3 crew 1\3 research.
heavy cradle
@heavy cradle the player made pvp zone of constant ongoing raidgroups fighting in barrens, and over the enterance to BWL and MC was way more fun than the bg crap that pvp ended up forcibly boxed into.
@abstract gate
What I didn't like was when lvl 60 rogues would go into the barrens and sit behind level 15s, wait for them to hit a AOE attack on a mob, go PVP flagged, and gank 'em in 1 shot. This was the state of "pvp" on my server back in vanilla.
I personally loved the bigger, more complex battlegrounds. Things like Alterac Valley, as it was originally. It wasn't a bum rush but had objectives and an ebb and flow to battle.
ashen wharf
you should be able to if you crewed correctly but this game takes no skill
And isnt fit for that purpose
DODGE does literally nothing
real bluff
you should be able to if you crewed correctly but this game takes no skill
@ashen wharf thats the point I'm making with current levels if they wasn't so huge it would take skill to win
heavy cradle
actually dodge, shield deflect, such do things.. but it's hidden from you and over complicated
those stats go into your static mitigation values
scenic cloud
I need crayons
ashen wharf
i want to build a fully dodge specific ship so i can kill over sized ships
heavy cradle
thus in this example, on the franklin dodge does nothing because it's an explorer, but shield deflection does do something
heavy cradle
and how the "mitigates" is calculated is based on those values (your shield deflection minus the attackers shield penetration)
scenic cloud
Thats one weak ** Franklin
heavy cradle
the only ship that uses dodge as a mitigation value is the interceptor.
ashen wharf
You should be able to kill tribunes with an epic g3 as long as you skillfully use crews
flat lake
Great event when warships stuck in warp and no scoply to be found
ashen wharf
Imo
heavy cradle
Thats one weak ** Franklin
@scenic cloud
yes, I got my franklin about 2 months ago (during the last event store). It's not that strong
ashen wharf
That would be real pvp for me
scenic cloud
I maxed mine in the first event
ashen wharf
If whales lost to a better player that knows crews
heavy cradle
I was too small to get the event when it came around
ashen wharf
and not just kirk spock khan oh my ship bigger haha i win
heavy cradle
so missed out. Wasn't until the end of the borg arc that I bought my first 50 blueprints. Finished it up at the end of the Stella event
scenic cloud
My 3rd year starts the end of this month
heavy cradle
grats!
astral flame
There are not enough mission keys to complete all missions in this event Thanks alot Scopely...
hollow fossil
there are 30, you need 30
stiff raft
Can anyone tell me,is it worth to buy vidar? Or i can w8 for borg event or something?
abstract gate
@keen rain thank you for your calculators etc 🍻
keen rain
@abstract gate You're very welcome
abstract gate
credit where credit is due 🙂
robust vapor
@heavy cradle all ships actually do use all three mitigation stats in determining mitigation, just the get more benefit from their primary stat. And it's less about having the stat for the ship as it is having the right stat to counter the other ship: explorers have high accuracy, so having high dodge on a battleship would actually actually increase mitigation vs explorers.
However most ships have insignificant values for their non-primary mitigation stat and can't benefit much from % increases, you'd is why officers that increase by % of stat or reduce opponent piercing stats by X are more effective and don't require battle triangle advantage.
shrewd totem
@robust vapor increasing dodge on a battleship?
abstract gate
More ships or systems are needed for the current event, there are no hostiles for all..
robust vapor
@shrewd totem if you're fighting an explorer, yes. Battleships don't have innately strong mitigation against explorers, which rely on accuracy (battle triangle is that you have the piercing stat to counter their mitigation stat, but your mitigation stat does not counter their piercing stat). If you boosted the dodge on a battleship when fighting explorers you should see a better increase to mitigation than from increasing armour (which you need for fighting interceptors that will overwhelm your armour stat). This would also explain why Scopely give you research to increase the armour of the Franklin despite it not being an armour focused class of ship.
formal hornet
@robust vapor so do you think the Discovery dodge/shield is a mistake or intended? for reference at T3 my Disco dodge is more than 2x the shield defense
robust vapor
It's getting the increase that's the problem.
@formal hornet how would you know with Scopely? 😂 But unless they're planning on it fighting other explorers, which doesn't seem to be the main hostile type, then it seems an odd choice.. discovery vs discovery PvP maybe?..
formal hornet
@robust vapor I was thinking Scopely math.
robust vapor
Pretty much.. though we might see some discovery vs discovery coming I guess, they're obviously looking at PvP more right now 😬
formal hornet
I enjoyed the Disco vs Disco PvP event, and look forward to it again. With the pvp brackets fixed by using systems (21-25 was in 2 systems, 26-29 in a different 2 and so on up)
shrewd totem
Ah that is too much.... I will just keep using Dj to boost my mitigation. There is no officer specific to increasing dodge anyway right?
formal hornet
and with the current newness and time gate on the Discovery, most are in a tight power range, so yes which ever dev designed that PvP event needs to work on the general PvP one
shrewd totem
Nah Disco PvP is nice
Depends on crews mostly
Unless you have some whales in the arena
robust vapor
There's one that I can see, but x% officers don't do much really.
robust vapor
Kerla, but increase after shields fail and by X%, so he's basically useless 😂
jolly gull
Anyone reported the Scroll problem on BINARY STARS. Can only see 1st bonus system and that's with lot of effort.
formal hornet
@jolly gull click on the button and you will get a popup that doesn't have the display/scroll problem
jolly gull
Thanks ever so. Didn't notice was a button there.
storm warren
You know what?
Players should have lost points for attacking miners during Rage of the Klingon Houses.
inland mulch
@shrewd totem if you're fighting an explorer, yes. Battleships don't have innately strong mitigation against explorers..
@robust vapor
Actually think you have that completely backwards. Each ship type has a primary mitigation and a primary counter mitigation damage. Battleships have armor as primary mitigation and shield piercing as their counter mitigation. Explorers don't get armor piercing so they do reduced damage against Battleships plus they their primary defense is largely bypassed by Battleships
shrewd totem
Yeah that is also how I know/knew
robust vapor
@inland mulch mitigation is calculated on all 3 mitigation/piercing stats. Battleships get additional weighting on armour, but the other two still come into the calculation and there are significant diminishing returns. As such increasing the armour on a battleship when fighting an opponent without armour piercing isn't going to make much difference in mitigation, wheress increasing the dodge when fighting something with a primary piercing stat of accuracy will increase mitigation.
You're basically running at max armour benefit already, stacking more armour at that point 🤷♂️ but you're still weak to accuracy and shield piercing.
shrewd totem
Doesnt really matters much. Most of the good mitigation officers are boosting all 3 stats
(5of10,Zhou,Dj)
robust vapor
Yes. I'm only talking about it because someone was talking about how dodge would do nothing on a battleships because of battle triangle. Which isn't correct.
inland mulch
My understanding is there is diminished returns but % increases to armor is going to help a battleship more to take an explorer than ٪increases to dodge
robust vapor
Not really, I'd need to get some real numbers to see real differences.. but you can add 1 million armour and get less benefit then adding 1000 dodge.
Ok, so my Bortas has mitigation stats 68k/1147/1721 and my centurion has piercing stats 2478/2890/25k
Now my Bortas will have relatively high mitigation because the explorer isn't attacking my main mitigation stat, 59.1088% expected. If I increase my Bortas armour to 1000000 then my expected mitigation increases to: 59.1088% 😮
However if I increase my dodge to 2500 my expected mitigation would be: 59.1668%. not a huge increase, but orders of magnitude better than increasing armour, and as the number approaches the Centurion accuracy number it will improve.
It's the combination of all three stats, with some weighting, that determines mitigation.
And if you're not familiar with the mitigation formula you should head over to LCARS and check it out. It's player derived, but pretty accurate (some big brains worked on that one).
inland mulch
I'm not sure why you are saying that your explorer isn't attacking the battleships main mitigation. All mitigation is in play but the explorer has almost no armor piercing so thats part of the reason battleships are strong against explorers
An explorer's high accuracy does almost nothing against a battleship because it's countering the battleships weakest mitigation stat
So putting dodge on a battleship doesn't help because the explorer counters dodge best of all and being a weak stat already...
robust vapor
Did the numbers above misrepresent somehow? Adding a relatively small amount of dodge was grossly morw helpful than adding a ludicrous amount of armour.
By your logic a battleship should be equally strong vs another battleship as an explorer, but that's not correct. Battleships are strong against explorers because they have high shield piercing, not because there have high armour.
Yes, the explorer is relatively ineffective at getting past the battleship mitigation as it really needs armour piercing to succeed, but you can still increase the battleship mitigation by adding dodge and get significantly better returns than from adding additional armour..
inland mulch
No it has both. they have advantage against explorers because they receive less damage and deal more damage
The explorer's massive accuracy completely overwhelms any amount of dodge you could add. So adding dodge to a battleship might help a bit against another battleship it does nothing against an explorer
robust vapor
😑 go play with the mitigation formula. It's literally the best way to increase mitigation for a battleship vs an explorer.
All 3 stats are taken into account when determining mitigation, with higher weighting given to your primary mitigation stat. The battleship gets most of this from armour and so yes has high mitigation against an explorer, but this huge armour benefit is precisely why adding additional armour is not beneficial 😑 however because there is still piercing happening from the accuracy of the explorer you can more readily increase the mitigation by increasing the dodge, and not even by a lot. Similarly adding dodge against battleship would help less than adding shield deflection.. This is easily seen by playing with the mitigation calculator..
If you don't understand this then you have no concept of the mitigation formula and how the three tie in together.
The real problem is that there isn't a good way to just increase dodge..
robust vapor
Here for reference. Dodge is toon hard to get officers for, this is increasing armour on an explorer vs an interceptor though which is the same deal. I've magically gained 0.5% mitigation from increasing my armour, something which is apparently completely impossible.. I'm a wizard.
inland mulch
You're just looking at one side of the equation. Each ship has 3 mitigation and 3 counter mitigation. So using your example your bs has 68k atmor and the explorer has armor piercing of 2k giving you a net armor of 66k (a reduction of less than 1%) you could double the armor piercing on the explorer and it would still have a meaningless effect.
Likewise the battleship has a dodge of 2k and the explorer has an accuracy of 25k. Giving a net mitigation of -23k or 0 since it can't be negative.
Finally the BS has a shield mitigation 1k and the explorer has shield piercing of 3k for a net shield mitigation of -2k (0). (It's a little confusing because shields mitigate damage and absorb damage i think)
robust vapor
Shields don't impact mitigation outside of their base shield deflection stat..
And I've literally just provided a practical example of what I've been saying, that you say is impossible. I'm not sure how I'm the one who's not looking at the whole picture here?
I think you're looking at it backwards though. You're not reducing their piercing, your mitigating their piercing. 0 mitigation = 100% damage. Any mitigation is < 100% damage.
And again, it's the combination of all three, which is what I've been saying all along and why it works the way that I'm saying it works. Because I'm the only one in this channel who's looking at all 3 together, despite your statement that I'm only looking at 1 😑 I believe the expression is: pot meet kettle.
inland mulch
Look at my example above I looked at all three mitigations and counter mitigations. If you see dodge and shield have a net 0 so they do nothing to reduce damage.
You would have to add 23k dodge to a battleship for it to be a net positive
Anyway this discussion probably doesn't belong in this room so I'll stop
cyan horizon
Hope this is the proper place for event issues. I think the General PvP event was terrible. The disco one was just bad, and the jelly one is in between.
Primary problem is that PvP in the game is just a joke with single ships and mostly predetermined by player level and money spent. It’s also not profitable. If we were all awash in Trit and Dil it might be less foolish to waste resources on.
As it is, rational commanders will avoid PvP they aren’t very likely to win overwhelmingly and even then only attack if it’s profitable.
Any sort of successful fix will involve changing the way combat is performed adding more skill and likely also a change in the stakes.
To change the stakes, have ships try to recall out of losing contests automatically and/or make repairs easier.
Other changes to consider would be range banding where instead of the present system, players in groups of levels hit only each other. For instance, 15 - 19 then 20 to 24. Of course, this will cause players to pause at the upper limits of each band, but then players would spend much less time as victims compared to being too dog.
robust vapor
Here is the other side of it too. I've increased dodge with battle triangle advantage, and benefit is significantly less, maybe 1/10 of what I got by increasing the explorers armour.
@inland mulch I've explained how it works, I've done the math, I've provided real examples of it working exactly as I've described and not at all how you've described. If you can't even accept the battle log data then you've honestly got no interest in even understating how it actually works 🤷♂️
And that's about 3x the amount of dodge added compared to the amount of armour added for reference.
fierce night
@robust vapor no offense, but you can use a t6 kehra and get more damage. You're a 38.
robust vapor
@fierce night are you joking or being serious? I'm testing mitigation stats, I'm not going to send out my D4 purely to test these numbers. I usually test things with a realta, but those ships wouldn't give good results in this situation.
Heck, I needed to lose shields for the bonus to even kick in on that D3, so I'm not going to be sending a good ship either way..
inland mulch
Your dodge officer on a dodge ship did more than an armor officer on a dodge ship. Which is exactly what I said. There is more to be gained by increasing a big stat by a % than a small stat by the same % even though the big stat gets into diminished returns
I just put an armor and armor piercing officer on a battleship and took half as much damage is a fight as a miner officer so boosts to primary stats helps a lot
solid badger
48 hrs not a bad event. Worth rewards for effort. 5 days where on day 3 could not even score points? A bit whacked IMO.
My thought on pvp event. Cool. Full 24 hrs only war ships count. Not cool. Loss has same points as victory. 50% reduction maybe but same points.
small agate
Oh my god people. Take the ship function dialog elsewhere. This is the event chat room
trim pumice
@solid badger , I'm loving this event. In great shape to hold top 25 on server 31 level 32-33 bracket. Only complaint is that I suffer on the ALB Anomalies as most of my alliance ignores them.
glossy moss
Any kind of point not counting in flash event it's disgusting
shut delta
@robust vapor a good explanation as always mate
frozen abyss
Something isn't right here...
austere ravine
Yea, you need to raid some dil.
robust vapor
@inland mulch I'm not sure if you're unable to read or unable to do math..
The interceptor had a starting mitigation of 58.65% (1481/2525) and after adding a little over 3K dodge it increased to about 58.68% (11946/20357). That's 0.03% increase.
The explorer started with 58.26% (1537/2638) and after adding about 1K armour it increased to about 58.75% (1097/1867). That's an increase of 0.49%.
The benefit from increasing the small off stat was 16x greater than increasing the large primary stat 😑
Yes, the primary stat does the heavy lifting in the mitigation and will make up the lions share of your mitigation, but the other two are also components of it and when your primary mitigation stat significantly outweighs the piercing counterpart (as is typically the case when not fighting against the triangle) then adding more to this stat will give almost no or actually no beneift, whereas increasing mitigation that directly counters the piercing stats of the opponent will give greater benefits to mitigation and at lower increases. And again, this because ANY amount of mitigation stat will reduce the amount of damage, it doesn't have to be greater than the piercing stat in order to become effective.
And again, I'm not saying that the primary mitigation stat doesn't do anything. It does, and due to the weighting applied it gets the most benefit, but when you're attacking within triangle you should have significant advantage to this stat and adding more to it becomes ineffective. This is demonstrated also by the rumour that prime deflection does nothing, because adding 100% primary mitigation stat is not much of a benefit when you're at the advantage on it already.
swift quarry
Just a question with participating in alliance events. Does not ending with positive points mean i didnt participate despite trying but kept getting blown up?
inland mulch
No if you netted negative points you still participated and should get the same rewards as your alliance
I died once and didn't kill any. Still got rewards
real bluff
Only thing that fixed it was a restart. Just what we want during a flash event.
open folio
Really not looking forward to another 29 hours of flash...
real bluff
They need to remove the rewards for the discovery refinery from the flash events and have them as a separate event then players can choose to do them but still get the tokens to refine. Maybe add them to the discovery hostiles at 1 per hostile or as an offshoot to refining Mycelium.
formal hornet
@real bluff they should move the discovery refinery to a daily goal like swarms, or dropping from hostiles like borg items.
real bluff
Or like swarms
formal hornet
flash events cannot be the long term plan for them
if they wanted to be real nice. after the arc make them a daily gift like transwarp coils!
torpid light
Maybe moving some stuff to a weekly goals section would be best and allow players to choose when they complete some activities that do not need daily activity.
sly fossil
I have not slept in 24hrs coz I need to win this flash event (Rank 1, 2, or 3). P. S. Coffee is expensive after this event 😂😂😂
real bluff
Step away from the phone
trim pumice
@real bluff, I think long term, Discovery events will become a regular Saturday feature (like we had just before this arc). Most likely after Arc 3.
real bluff
@real bluff, I think long term, Discovery events will become a regular Saturday feature (like we had just before this arc). Most likely after Arc 3.
@trim pumice problem with that is the feedback for flash events havent been great. They shouldn't leave items that are needed to upgrade a ship or to do research attached to an event which has had such a negative reaction as these have. The fact they still don't work properly (I'm still having to restart to see the event before it starts and again before I can score this has been feedback to CS as well) alot of players don't want to have to do things when the game says they have to be done. Alot of people have lives and weekends for a lot of people are spent with family. Some people myself include work evenings and weekends. They can run the flash events if they wish im just saying they need to remove the refinery tokens from the flash event rewards and put them in a 24hr hostile hunt event or put them in hostiles so players can collect them when they want at their own pace.
wet summit
Was anyone else screwed out of their tokens after the timer completed for The Vulcan Hello?
compact sinew
I'm missing all tokens between midnight and midday today
wet summit
@compact sinew glad to know it’s not just me. Same, tokens missing from after midnight
real bluff
Flash events still don't add scores for hostiles hit unless I restart the game before I attack a hostile after the event has started
chrome rune
oh the score works, just somtimes it gets counted 1 or 2 hours late 🙃
wet summit
@chrome rune it’s been 9 hours....I’m still waiting
chrome rune
Sometimes you won't notice, I had additional points added to later Flash Events for me, where the first kill of one that happened earlier didn't count.
I do the math on all of it, so I was like, wait I shouldn't have that many points, so I figured it was counting them late for some reason.
Seems like a deeper issues, I think.
Will have to check if only Flash Events are affected or other events as well.
trim pumice
@wet summit, not missing any but it's taking a few minutes to update scores
nova schooner
we could use another armada event, where the cooldown timers are disabled for the 24hr period 🙂
hollow arch
astral forum
Same here
pseudo rover
Swarm Heroic should be appearing shortly (for me, it's already there).
Text might be 'Retrieving' but if you clear cache/restart you should see the text
wraith fog
steady lion
I’ll be honest. That PVP event was the most fun I’ve had in a scopely event. It’s been two days and I’m still blown away by how much fun it was.
mighty shuttle
Are they cloaked?
@wraith fog You have to kill the slave traders in Obelient
mint basin
5 day long flash event is cruel and unusual punishment. 2 days would've been just fine.
unborn anvil
Im currently 1st in the 5 day event burst. This is cruel. This is agonizing . Ive talked to all in the top spots and they are demolished as well. This as a 24 hr is ok. But 5 days?? And then 3 times more THIS SAME EVENT next 3 weeks?
What is wrong with you?
severe bridge
They made a leaderboard, which caused people to want to win.
sudden ledge
These burst events are the absolute worst idea yet by scopely. These should be no more than 24 hours long
sly fossil
real bluff
I’ll be honest. That PVP event was the most fun I’ve had in a scopely event. It’s been two days and I’m still blown away by how much fun it was.
@steady lion you liked having empty systems and all bases under a shield?
sly fossil
I liked it. The Purge
rustic parcel
It was fun until they reset it and I lost all my alliance points with no explanation and until I was getting blown up by iss jellies with no other ships out there for me to clear.
At that point I followed suit and shielded and stayed out of game
opaque beacon
Regarding this Distinguished Service event, just backnof the envelope reckoning - it takes 1/4 of your life over 2 days i.e. 12 hours. At best, you get 14 rare crystals and 83 uc crystals. A $99 ultra ship pack has 111 rare crystals and 455 uc crystals (plus a ton of other good stuff). In other words, the event reward is barely 12% of $99 = less than $12 for 12 hours of your life - less that one dollar per hour of work. That's how much Scamply think of your lives 🤓
winged thorn
The pvp event was just a contest to see which teams would cheat the most to win.
real bluff
I liked it. The Purge
@sly fossil 🤣 there was nothing to purge. Only ships out where the whales or miners
There is no real pvp in this game. Never will be all the time the levels are as big as what they are
Mines need to be seprate and can be hit at any level. Open space and bases need to be fixed
abstract gate
Aint no whale, no lvl50 or tribune going through any shielded base.
So shield or share
real bluff
I'm level 33 and can 1 shot a 23 with 3 ships home that is not pvp that is swotting a fly. Pvp is meant to be tactical and a challenge
coarse bolt
This is not a PvP game. The mechanics prevent it. You pick your ship and pick some officers and go. You don’t know who you will fight, so there is no “chess match” in picking officers. For the most part you show up, see if there is someone in a system. If they are higher level than you and you don’t have the battle triangle, you run if you can. If they are lower level than you, you squash them like a bug. No strategy.
Some suggestions
- when the battle starts let you juggle who is on the bridge.
- Let you direct power to shields or weapons or impulse to boost ship characteristics.
- create some randomness so that the same ships don’t always wins close enough battles.
jaunty copper
Incorrect. They stat very clearly at the beginning of the game, this is a pvp game. There is a "chess match" in officer picking.
All your suggestions are already built into the game. Minus the first one. Officers do the second one, and officers do the third one.
cloud grail
Incorrect. They stat very clearly at the beginning of the game, this is a pvp game. There is a "chess match" in officer picking.
All your suggestions are already built into the game. Minus the first one. Officers do the second one, and officers do the third one.
@jaunty copper you might have a point.. but then its all officers.. makes the actual fight click and repair. and I am not satisifed with that kind of PvP
jaunty copper
What kind of pvp do you want? One like on a console game?
cloud grail
the one with more options as NFL Sunday suggested. having to return to base to move officers around and adjust the chess move just isnt enough for me. Maybe cause I my game is also spoiled by the constant lag where all I can do i click and repair.
In my mind Im looking for Game moves you can't buy.
jaunty copper
Changing officers out of base would be nice. But you would be limited to the ones on the ship.
But changing your crew while your fighting someone is silly. In the shows when they're in a fight they're not changing what the crews functions are unless they get hurt.
Then this isn't a game for you lol
Scopley seize the play with your visa card
cloud grail
yes youre right about that.. PvP prolly will never be acceptable to me, PvE works for my Timesink needs
indigo perch
@jaunty copper the shows dont have to choose between pve and pvp before leaving the station....
merry fulcrum
I'd say pvp needs to be made to where people can't oneshot your base, but the enterprise would just break that rule instantly
Or at least make it to where you can't easily break their base, ie such as a 28 with a Max saladin instead of the average t4 Sally
trim pumice
@jaunty copper, how about 2 ships being able to rendezvous in deep space and exchange crew between them. It would make sense given that the USS Pizza Wheel can shroom jump to allow crew exchange.
Imagine having a key crew member get enough shards to promote, but he's on a ship. Jump out, swap him to the Pizza Wheel, jump back home to promote and level then jump back to return him to duty. Also works if you unlock a crew member that you want on a ship fast.
strange ice
No one really gets to play pvp—people tried to set up areas where people could fight against like levels of players but others won’t respect the concept. And as soon as one person takes advantage, everyone does. This game is just poorly set up for this kind of pvp. It’s set up to reward stronger players for being stronger. But there are ways to leverage aspects of the game so that it’s still fun and playable for lower levels—alliances protect people, learning how to crew helps, some kind of roe is important, figuring out what to do when and how to advance with as little damage as possible. It’s fun to try to figure out the angles and opportunities, etc. But this event doesn’t have room for those kind of tactics so people who are just going to get hit and die are staying home with bubbles up and people who are strong and have to restrain themselves from smashing people 90% of the time are frustrated because there aren’t enough people around to smash. So everyone’s salty. I think the best way to make it playable for all is to give big bonus points for hitting ships with more power than yours. Like 1 point for hitting a ship that is same level and strength then +whatever for ships that are stronger and nothing for ships that are weaker. It puts strategy back in the game and discourages beating up on weaker players.
keen owl
Make the points damage related so even the person who loses gets points.
nimble vine
Can we figure out how to make it easier to hit the target ships instead of the other players during these events?
carmine lily
@nimble vine put up a shield, then you get a confirmation button. if you miss that it's entirely on you.
@strange ice best way would be to make ALL ships worth the same amount of points, that way there's no incentive for whales to run around with 20m ships and everyone can just throw out cheap to repair g2 ships and actually play. It worked perfectly well for the jellyfish event, though that had the added restriction of being in limited space. Not that it matters anyway because a lot of alliances just game the system by having one player drop tags and let everyone hit him. Event style pvp in this game just isn't viable without major restrictions.
neat owl
Can we figure out how to make it easier to hit the target ships instead of the other players during these events?
@nimble vine You mean like a no PvP targeting system? as in you have a switch which can either let you target both red and blue, or just reds.... I like this idea
strange ice
Gaming the system is part of this game for sure. People are incensed if it isn’t them and don’t see the problem if it’s them. The problem with taking points away for a loss was really exacerbated by being an alliance event. I don’t mind having my ships get destroyed over and over while I try to find a wounded ship or something that will give me an unlikely win. I didn’t play this event at all because it wouldn’t be fair to my alliance to accept loss after loss. I understand why whales, who have spent considerable time or money or both, would want to be allowed to go crashing through the server smashing everyone. But I also understand why the lower levels on the server dont want to line up to be crushed.
carmine lily
they literally did go crashing through everyone, it took mere minutes for them to discover they could simply one shot every unshielded base they could find with their 20m g4 ships to get points. once they ran out of bases they simply had someone drop tags to get hit. the exact same thing happened in the old raiding events. It just comes down to a contest of who can cheat the event the fastest because honor be damned you don't get anything if you don't cheat because everyone else is doing it.
having the pvp in designated systems only was actually a good idea because it made that kind of cheating the system impossible. They just didn't learn.
They keep trying to give the whales the ability to crush the galaxy and the whales just keep getting disappointed because no one else will play that game. As you said @strange ice it's just not worth it for people to put up with being crushed over an over again for nothing.
sudden hull
Hey, I am a level 23 and I like to pvp by going after 23 and above ships
carmine lily
ok, but when you've got level 40s coming after you that you have no chance of even scratching and it counts negatively against you, what's the motivation for even sending a ship out?
sudden hull
I dont know my cap is 33
carmine lily
ok 33s then
pale cobalt
I didn't take part at all in the PvP event I knew it was pointless to even try so I left my shield in tact and swapped all ships to miners
carmine lily
i get hit by level 50s, they can crush all my most powerful and best crewed ships while inside my base and do the same thing to 50 other people with the same ship before ever needing to even consider repairing. it's shield or die.
sudden hull
Well I did have fun during the pvp event and I am by no means a whale
carmine lily
might have been different on a few servers. The pvp on ours lasted about 10 minutes before the galaxy was completely empty and all bases were crushed and drained within an hour or two. after that it was a ghost town.
I played dodge the 5 whales who would come after me within a minute of entering any system for a little while until they found my base and decided to just camp out right on top of it waiting for me to launch a ship.
Literally had to wreck my own ship to get it home without getting hit and losing points for the alliance.
astral forum
@steady lion you liked having empty systems and all bases under a shield?
@real bluff It was holiday from scopely 😄
Somehow i suspect that whole PvP event was planned that players remove idling ships FOR SCOPELY, not for event...
carmine lily
IT did feel a bit that way at first.
real bluff
A lot of people put up a shield and logged off for 24hrs
carmine lily
That's the correct way to play pvp in this game.
pale cobalt
I opted out because they removed the rewards from the battlepass events (only battlepass points now) so wasn't wasting rss in repairs for an event that didn't have great rewards anyway
carmine lily
the pvp wasn't the battlepass event, it was an alliance event and the rewards were still garbage even for rank 1.
silent horizon
For rank 1 rewards were good, you got a full badge, and a few other things
pale cobalt
The only event we have had that has given rss was yesterday's swarm event because it wasn't part of the battlepass
Removing the rewards from battlepass events has only highlighted how bad the refinery actually is
carmine lily
@silent horizon for the pvp event? there were no badges rewarded for that just a tiny amount of resources.
silent horizon
Yes there was a badge rewarded.
You got those fragments with which you can buy bagdes in the faction stores
carmine lily
there was no badge, it was 7 uncommons and some discovery fragments.
pale cobalt
Rewards were level based for my level it wasn't worth the effort or repair costs
silent horizon
Top 1 on my server got 1000 minor commendation shards, which is enough for a full bagde, and some leftovers
Top 2 and 3 also got commendation shards, but not enough for a full unlock
cyan cedar
Is the last flash event for medals an hour before the end of the Distinguished Service event?
Because you have to collect the medals from the flash event first for them to qualify for the event leaderboard. (and the medals take at least 15-30 seconds to appear)
granite wadi
I understand the reasons behind allowing large PvP brackets in general play, but see no reason they cant be reduced in providing rewards for PvP events. That would seem to be a good compromise?
golden pier
@sly fossil If you both happen to have the same points at the end you will love it when you'll get 2nd place rewards and him 1st ones ...
sly fossil
@golden pier As long as it is my alliance members I am ready for a 3rd place too 😊
humble gulch
does anyone know the likely hood of part 3 arc for the discovery missons ?
opaque beacon
What happened to the flash event? Should have started 5 minutes ago.
golden pier
Where I live it's 13.30 .... 14.30 ... 15.30 and so on @opaque beacon
So every half hour, not the full ones.
astral forum
@golden pier are you tired? even a little? 🤣
golden pier
@astral forum Believe me, I whip myself already for even trying to hit 1st place. Already move meetings from my work schedule to tomorrow - addiction kicking in. Silly me!
sly fossil
I took off from office. I don't know if i will ever be able to do similar size event in future.
golden pier
I for sure won't. Next time only those necessary to hit the side event.
sly fossil
Finally took over the scorecard.
jaunty copper
@trim pumice in theory that's great, but waiting x amount of time for another ship to show up is a waste, if your doing pvp your ship will be blown up and back at your base before it gets there.
winged tulip
Rewards are awful considering the amount of time you'd need to spend to win.
real bluff
@golden pier As long as it is my alliance members I am ready for a 3rd place too 😊
@sly fossil you havent slept for how many days to get top spot and you'd be happy with 3rd?
sly fossil
Yes. i just want that rare avatar now since I have spent my sleep on event 😂
real bluff
Have you got the number for addiction therapy?
Or is there a GA meeting near you soon? 😂
golden pier
Addiction therapy is 555-SCOPELY . Dont ask why I know this by memory :)
@real bluff
silent horizon
I really can’t feel bad for players who are dead tired after this event. No one forced you to do it😂 you did it to yourselves
sly fossil
I informed my Admiral yesterday that I will be off for a day 😂😂
I'll inform right now too 😂😂
rigid lichen
This event is just poopoo.. Looking at the rewards and the effort involved just put me off from.the start... Big 👎🏾 on this whole arc tbh
silent horizon
I do agree that the arc was a complete failure, boring and uninteresting
inner bear
Blaaa blaaaaaa
trim pumice
The FAILURE in the arc is that Scopely FAILED to look at the non RSS/Material rewards available in previous BP events. In prior arcs we generally had 3 pairs of Faction Hunt events. For the typical player each event yielded about 2400 Ultra Recruit tokens. Over the course of the course of an arc that was 18 Ultra Recruit chest pulls (at level 32 I get enough tokens for 4 chests off each day of Faction Hunt). The current arc has nowhere near that amount of tokens available. In addition, although I can't confirm it due to my level, the Flash Event SLB MAY have a significant flaw. The brackets change at even levels. What happens if a player moves to a new bracket mid event (going from 31-32 for example)? Due the points earned in the lower bracket carry over? If so, it can throw the SLB out of whack (say a player in the 30-31 bracket has done well. If those points carry to 32-33 it could negatively impact that bracket by pushing players down or off the LB). If the points don't carry, the player moving up loses rank in the old bracket, yet most likely won't get enough in the new bracket to get a decent reward for effort.
granite zenith
@trim pumice your assumption is that Scopely planned to give out faction hunt this arc at all. Now yes that is something that we have grown accustomed to, however the biggest complaint over the last few months has been too much screen time... easiest way to reduce screentime from the battlepass? remove the events that have the most screentime. Now will they have faction hunt as a non battlepass points scoring event? Unknown... but it has been asked for by ccs and mods.. and the community to the devs alike.
As for changing ops levels during a 5 day leaderboard... as with all events, you are locked into a bracket until the event ends... so if you started at 31... you will remain in the 31 bracket until it is over... upon next weeks bracket... you would be in the 32 bracket.
real bluff
@trim pumice your assumption is that Scopely planned to give out faction hunt this arc at all. Now yes that is something that we have grown accustomed to, however the biggest complaint over the last few months has been too much screen time... easiest way to reduce screentime from the battlepass? remove the events that have the most screentime. Now will they have faction hunt as a non battlepass points scoring event? Unknown... but it has been asked for by ccs and mods.. and the community to the devs alike.
As for changing ops levels during a 5 day leaderboard... as with all events, you are locked into a bracket until the event ends... so if you started at 31... you will remain in the 31 bracket until it is over... upon next weeks bracket... you would be in the 32 bracket.
@granite zenith less screen time and they add flash events every hour for 4 days with a pvp event in the middle 😂😂 only down time for most players was the pvp event
graceful vessel
Does anyone know what decides event ranking in a tie? Say the current distinguish event
granite zenith
the flash events require 6points to finish the milestone
the SLB was an OPTIONAL event created for those who wanted to pursue it
I have 0 pity for those who CHOOSE to stay up... that was a CHOICE... not required for either Discovery Progression... nor the Battlepass Points Progression
it was optional screentime that those player wanted apparantly
dire veldt
I'm 3rd with 200 points, and I'm glad to exchange the difference in rewards for the extra 9hrs sleep i got
real bluff
the flash events require 6points to finish the milestone
the SLB was an OPTIONAL event created for those who wanted to pursue it
I have 0 pity for those who CHOOSE to stay up... that was a CHOICE... not required for either Discovery Progression... nor the Battlepass Points Progression
@granite zenith remove the SME from the flash events. Have the flash events as an optional extra. Dont attach them to a milestone award. You need 6 points from the flash events so 2-6 events to complete. You have to plan logging in to complete it. SME's should be able to be done at a players own pace when they want to do them not dictated by scopley that they have to log in every hour to get them done
granite zenith
im 100th... and all i really wanted was the red avatar
we have had this argument dusty...
again... that is like me saying... I dont like mining... so give me those rewards for doing something else instead
real bluff
OK but explain to me how I can get the spore drives to upgrade the discovery and do research that requires it?
granite zenith
you dont have to plan to log in... odds are over a 24 hour period at least some of those hours are during a flash event
real bluff
@granite zenith I have my evenings after work thats it to be able to log in
granite zenith
in truth... i skipped a whole day... 🤷♂️ not cause i wasnt on... cause i didnt feel like doing it... and thats ok
and your evenings after work are in 45 min bursts not during the events?
wheat tinsel
I fight for been in the top 3 and for been honest is first and last time I will do it, O got second on my division, but the 1st if we count his points he had barely sleep 2 or 3 hours per day
No game should require that gamers not sleep, there must be a maximum of 16 times you can make points in the event per day so you can have at least time to rest everyday
graceful vessel
@wheat tinsel That would just mean that the top 15 have exactly same points. And I have no idea how the systems decides winner in a tie. (Which I asked just a few minutes ago)
granite zenith
OK but explain to me how I can get the spore drives to upgrade the discovery and do research that requires it?
@real bluff i am in no way saying that the method of getting spore drive components is the best... however if you want them... 🤷♂️
just like if i want FMs... I gotta do swarm
or nanoprobe i gotta do borg
or stella research i gotta do stella armadas
all three of which i avoid as much as possible
wheat tinsel
We would had a tie on second place if tonight I sleep
I barely defeat him for 3 points
real bluff
@granite zenith it depends on if my wife is at work or not if she's at home i spend it with her if not and she's working I can get 3hrs in the game. As I've already asked many times outside of flash events the battlepass and the store how do you get spore drives to upgrade the discovery or to do research? Franklin i can grind swarms at my own pace. Vidar I can grind probes at my own pace. Stella I can grind armadas at my own pace. Discovery its at scopleys pace when scopley wants you to do them thats the problem it should be at the players pace not the devs
wheat tinsel
On Saturday I sleep 6 hours
graceful vessel
I'm in a tied 2nd place now, but standing in 3rd. Just wondering what makes the difference
granite zenith
the truth is... even if you DO every single flash event.. you are NOT going to unlock summoning as f2p player this arc... so why stress over it?
ITS A GAME... have a little fun with it... do what you can do... when you can... the rest will come later
as people are tired of hearing... its a marathon... not a sprint
wheat tinsel
For a F2P 5k lat is a lot
Also 80 unc too is a lot for a lvl 29 op
It should be extra point in the solo lb for flash, the first 15 got the same amount is crazy
real bluff
the truth is... even if you DO every single flash event.. you are NOT going to unlock summoning as f2p player this arc... so why stress over it?
ITS A GAME... have a little fun with it... do what you can do... when you can... the rest will come later
@granite zenith if they stick to flash events I wont unlock it ever. That is what im getting at. Let players do it as quickly or slowly as they want to. Dont dictate to players when they have to play to get items that are needed other wise you are telling players how to play a game not letting them enjoy it at their own pace or time. Faction hunt I can do all 3 in an hour and can then log off or do something else its my choice flash events are when scopley decides to run them I could miss them and not even know about it so I lose out on items that are needed
granite zenith
the alternative would be to not have the solo leaderboard at all... it was designed to be a throwaway event for those who wanted to DO more..
some people actually like the burst events
real bluff
Im not saying get rid of them just remove the refinery items from them and have them as a hostile hunt event instead so players can do them at their own time
wheat tinsel
I like the lat and unc rewards but was too demanding of time
real bluff
Or put spore drives on hostiles
granite zenith
@real bluff thats where we differ... my faction hunt is close to 2 hours... or longer if i get ganked for being opl... 🤷♂️
and for the record... i dont disagree that other ways to get spc would be great...
refine raw mycelium for them would be an outstanding answer... and one i suggested
real bluff
@real bluff thats where we differ... my faction hunt is close to 2 hours... or longer if i get ganked for being opl... 🤷♂️
and for the record... i dont disagree that other ways to get spc would be great...
refine raw mycelium for them would be an outstanding answer... and one i suggested
@granite zenith ive said that myself but 2hrs compared to waiting for up to 6hrs to complete an event
granite zenith
but... during the arcs... it appears that they are using the flash mechanic...
real bluff
They had it between the arc as well we had one.
wheat tinsel
Also I needed the crystal for one of building with my 30 day chest I will have 300 unc crystal and do one building
Yeah but non flash were so demanding as this one
granite zenith
i actually got mine done through 2 of the 4 alliance events...
real bluff
@granite zenith I am getting my feedback on it during the arcs so they can get it changed for when the arcs finish
@granite zenith I miss the alliance events due to work and sleep.
wheat tinsel
At least I won't fight for solo leaderboard again in this flash event 4 days is too demanding of time, for been in top 3, and the time of sleep and health is not worthy to do that effort again
real bluff
It has taken 3 solo events to get my smes done
chrome rune
I want more burst events
granite zenith
🤷♂️ i dont know what else to say
they want burst mechanics
they made it 10x easier to accomplish this time due to feedback
whether they will adjust it again next time 🤷♂️
just giving you the answers i have... in no way invalidating your opinions... at least that is not my goal
chrome rune
To each their own though, I like them, some don't
granite zenith
some people dont like it... some do 🤷♂️
some feel the same about many other events
dire veldt
i think the SLB was a misstep, without that there wouldn't be too many complaints with the format
chrome rune
I think the SLB is just a bit too long which is the issue tbh
dire veldt
the alliance burst is one of the most fun events they've come up with so far
wheat tinsel
My point is that scopely should think in the health of the gamers, non game should require so much time to get extra in the rewards no sleep have health issues in the future, some as me will do it one time the leaderboard, but other will get more addicted to the game to get the top 3 in every leaderboard that will affect their health
pale cobalt
Honestly I preferred the original burst events I don't like the SLB to get pts for the SMS
chrome rune
I got top 3 with about 6 hours sleep every day, that is fine for me
wheat tinsel
Noone force you, but developers should think in the health risk of that kind of slb
granite zenith
in the other hand... if you are willing to play more... why would they stop you... ?
pale cobalt
Game crash mid event you end up with 1 pt so have to do more burst events just to complete your SMS
dire veldt
the pvp was great for the first 12hrs, then point scamming took over on our server
real bluff
I dont mind them just saying that they need to be a side event and not attached to the SME event. Give players extra rewards if they want to do them if you don't want to do them you still get the sme rewards for something different
granite zenith
people literally said last arc...
we like this... can we do more....
and the devs said ... ok
real bluff
people literally said last arc...
we like this... can we do more....
and the devs said ... ok
@granite zenith I'm not saying remove the flash events. As a solo thing they are fine they could run every day it wouldn't matter. Dont have an sme attached to them so have them as an extra event
wheat tinsel
@granite zenith because is a health premises, I'm not against the slb on flash events, is just that to get a good position on slb the time and effort were too much
granite zenith
I dont mind them just saying that they need to be a side event and not attached to the SME event. Give players extra rewards if they want to do them if you don't want to do them you still get the sme rewards for something different
@real bluff that goes back to my argument... i dont like mining... so can i have those same rewards for something else...
you choose if you want the rewards.. so you do the event or not
real bluff
@real bluff that goes back to my argument... i dont like mining... so can i have those same rewards for something else...
you choose if you want the rewards.. so you do the event or not
@granite zenith I get what you are saying but the rewards for mining events you can get from other events can you get the rewards from flash events anywhere else?
granite zenith
@granite zenith because is a health premises, I'm not against the slb on flash events, is just that to get a good position on slb the time and effort were too much
@wheat tinsel and my argument is... the price of the rewards was not worth the risk to do them... apparantly you felt differently
the slb... absolutely with the exception of the avatar
the sme... again... you have to spend much less time to do them
30 min over a 1hr 15 min period can get it completed...
with 45 min inbetween to do something else...
i respect the fact that you feel inconvienced
i feel the same about many events
real bluff
Yes but you have to do the flash events for rewards you cant get any other way. Every other event you can get the rewards in other events or other ways. Spore drives is only the refinery tokens from sme attached to flash events. This is my feedback make it so the sme isn't attached to flash events and have flash events as a solo or alliance event as a separate rewards
granite zenith
and as a parting note... the same rewards are in the battlepass... as well as the store... so yes there are ways to get them that doesn't inconvenience you
wheat tinsel
For example the rewards for mining event I try to fight for leaderboard once each two months is only one day event, but 4 days was too much on this one
real bluff
Battlepass is limited to the arc store is paying so doesn't count. We are talking events that dictate how fast or slow a player goes. Im trying to give feedback to improve the game but obviously as a f2p who has a life my opinion doesn't matter to people who fill out a form for free stuff
weak copper
SLB should have been a 12 or 24h daily leaderboard rather than 5 days.
wheat tinsel
@weak copper agree of 48 h max
weak copper
I didn’t chase it, but clearly some people went to extreme lengths that really shouldn’t be encouraged.
wheat tinsel
And get more different sub primes on the flash events, the first 15 had the same points is ridiculous, some did only 300 points on flash and got a golden trophy just like the one that did 35k points
@weak copper first day I were 1st on slb by 6 points went to sleep, wake up and been second under by 15 points, second day were 2nd up by 9 points went to sleep wake up 3 under 9 points, 3th day keep 3th down by 6 points, yesterday I were too far over night and recover 2nd place but was too much time demanding
onyx topaz
5 days of same SLB, and each hour is too unhealthy. The Alliance stuff was fun though.
But 5 days is beyond reasonable imo
novel hollow
Does anyone know how they are handling ties on the SLB?
onyx topaz
It is Scopley, maybe they give the prize to 3rd instead lol
novel hollow
i'm 26th and tied with 25th lol his name starts with a P so he's 25 🙂
I wish they would have given bonus' for 1st, 2nd and 3rd finishes within the SLB i didn't compete in a lot of them (91 pts) but when i did was top 1-3 often.
prime carbon
No alliance LB points for using vidar? Booooooo!!!
patent lodge
Where are My rewards from the flash event
cyan kettle
is "A Chance to Shine" alliance leaderboard PVP or PVE?
drowsy wyvern
torn timber
A chance to shine is not giving points for origins stamets, zahra or MBega as capt... using on a turas vs bounty hunters... what am I doing wrong?
young pilot
A Chance to Shine is now missing
sour isle
Why no points on preloaded latinum . I had 49k.......
untold arrow
points are not counted in the alliance event
prime carbon
The 2 events are contradictory - solo is based on damage so encourages hitting big targets with big ships but alb demands use of low ships? Counter productive!!! You have to choose whether to pursue solo or help alliance 😑
knotty birch
The Para Bellum event - I can do 500k damage at a time with a Tier5 Ent to sol traders. I would need 200 runs and repairs to complete the event unless I am missing something?
winged tulip
You're meant to spend a few thousand on a bigger ship for paltry rewards i think.
prime carbon
Also, a PvE event requiring use of station defence or PvP officers???? Who designed this???
knotty birch
Ahhh makes sense now @winged tulip - Scopelynomics!
thorny kite
This event is complete dog poo. How about respawning normal transports in these systems more often than the ones nobody can kill
vocal wren
It sucks
unborn anvil
From the winner perspective. No whining. I put the hours. Long hours to fnish with almost 250 points. Reduce the amount of hours. This is too much
vocal wren
I didn't
real bluff
This event is complete dog poo. How about respawning normal transports in these systems more often than the ones nobody can kill
@thorny kite can I have that event please
thorny kite
@real bluff kill one, then nothing comes up again. Just the heavy transports that nobody can kill
real bluff
Id love an event that gives me lat in those amounts where I can do at my own pace though
astral solar
Would help if points were consistent...... Same ship type, same area of space hitting with same ship n crew gives massively different points.......
unkempt tinsel
So, who thought it would be a good idea to include to officers whose bonus relies on a ship being attacked in dock at the station for this event.....
real bluff
@astral solar in the alliance events its what your alliance has collected inbetween your hits
opal ruin
My alliance mates are following alliance event instructions to a T but not clocking points. Anyone else have the same problem?
mint idol
Another new Scopely event NOT WORKING!!!! I have killed several augment hostiles using Saladin and Intrepid with Origins Saru and Origins Starmets as Capt and NO POINTS scored!!!!
vocal wren
I'm getting pts
@real bluff rewards are nice for it but doing 200k damage and top is 101mil to complete. 😭
real bluff
6 runs and done
vocal wren
500 runs
formal hornet
Mining events combined with just mindless hostile ALB/SLB events.
thorny kite
Crisis averted. 7 hits...1 run. They all popped up together.
@real bluff this is the top and bottom prizes.
real bluff
I want that sort of event at level 33 that looks amazing
thorny kite
Still not enough to upgrade my jelly 😪
candid edge
Well done <@&509690795536941056> with these Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum events! Nice to see Scopely out with some generousity 🖖
formal hornet
well for Ops 39+, the rest are just SOL today I guess
astral forum
Whaaat? Are you nuts? I am lvl39!!!!
formal hornet
that a bonus, so you have to grind it harder, but this round you get to play in the pool.
astral forum
But i have no 42lvl ship
warped stag
Not the case, it works fine. You get the rewards.
rose sphinx
@formal hornet but there are bonus points if 42+ ships are used
astral forum
@warped stag How many traders need to kill to get event done?
Its crazy 3 PVE events and lat rush same time 
severe bridge
I'm using Origins Staments on my Turas in augment space (Tera Lara). I get points when i engage in killing suliban bounty hunters (BH) or other hostiles there, but i do NOT get points when the BH auto attacks me. Is this intentional? It isn't in the event description.
formal hornet
@astral forum you have Mining (Lat rush / Battlepass points) and hostile killing (ALB/SLB and if ops 39 Solo milestone) so really on 2 things to do
spring bear
The ‘Chance to ‘Shine event is working all that great, imagine that. Only two people in Alliance show in point total, thats after 2 resets.
astral forum
@astral forum you have Mining (Lat rush / Battlepass points) and hostile killing (ALB/SLB and if ops 39 Solo milestone) so really on 2 things to do
@formal hornet What about ALB?
Is not 3rd thing?
Ahh yes i forgot to say about armadas which you HAVE to do every day
That is 4th
thorny kite
7 traders gives full points.
vocal wren
They just change something, I went from no progress to finished
warped stag
7, why did I need 5 more?
solemn sequoia
I'm confused, why did i get 33m points for dying with less than 1m damage to the trader
pale cobalt
You could have dealt 33m damage but not all of it landed on the hull maybe?
solemn sequoia
Na, it may have crossed 1m total (including shield damage)
but i dont see a 33x multiplier in the point explination bubble things
but the traders themselves started at 17m, soooo
yup second slap got me 36m. I'm so confused lol
pale cobalt
Damage dealt and damage inflicted are 2 different things in reality but who knows what it actually means in this game 😂
shrewd totem
@solemn sequoia it is 100x for heavy
solemn sequoia
it... does not say that
anywhere in that event
lol
@shrewd totem much appreciated, that was NOT clear
shrewd totem
Now it is in announcements
vagrant relic
PvP day today again even mining😭
icy trout
inland hamlet
@vagrant relic not pvp day lol
@inland hamlet kill hostiles dealing Hull damage using those ships gives multipliers for alliance event.
Solo lb is normal Hull damage
vagrant relic
No not that one! Another one!
See I’ve got some point already! Only I did for mining and someone hit my miner so 😔
abstract gate
@icy trout Are you lvl14?
raw owl
Any recommendations for good , high hull hp, targets for a 400k kumari? Swarm are ok, but i'm working against the triangle.
meager galleon
Separatists are good choice for some
flat fog
low swarms with jelly is good
opaque maple
neat owl
It seems like when you are being attacked you don't gain points
opaque maple
Anyone else not getting points for hits?
silver solstice
No autogrinding this time around. Scopely finally got one right.
opaque maple
Well it doesn't state that, it says hostiles, are they not hostiles? Also they normally stronger hostiles so can't hit as many
silver solstice
And? As you have no doubt figured out you aren't going to get points for squatting a ship in this event, and frankly thats the way it should be.
neat owl
I guess maybe use burning crew on big ships and that 1% damage might give you lots of points
opaque maple
Tempting thought but want go bed shortly
neat owl
Maybe hit swarm
frail ice
is the lvl14 jelly event still a thing?
pale cobalt
Not that I am aware of I do have a baby lvl 14 account and I have never seen one come up on that account
frail ice
what a pain. I think that people who joined in dec'18 have a major advantage over latecomers in that respect. If you're joining now you're shitoutaluck for those ships if you want them free (yes, yes, some of them do eventually show up in event stores but that comes by once a quarter and then you can only get half the required bp)
pale cobalt
Yeah I need one more event store to get the jelly on my baby account
humble gulch
anyone got any advice to pair the orgins saru ? for crew ?
raw owl
Chen
lament shoal
Sooo... When I hit lv15 swarms with my turas and origin saru as captain, the notifications says crazy stuff like +200 millions and in event lb i actually get like... 10 mil maybe? My alliances mates do get right points and they're in the billions already, but not me. Anyone else seeing this?
scenic locust
The Fed distinguished service Avatar needs to be Epic....I mean 4 days of a grind for rare seems off, no?
warm plover
This right here Scoply is what I'm talking about....Gotta give props when its due and Its definitely due with this.
@shrewd totem Let scoply know this is an amazing way of showing some appreciation...Good Mats...Lat
glacial kernel
Didn’t get that event must of been for only the higher levels
storm cove
Any eta on this server lag issue
merry fulcrum
Such a good fix now if only theyd give smaller players actual events as well 🙄
mellow remnant
do Suliban Bounty Hunters not count in the "A Chance to Shine Event". I am using Talla with Origins Saru as captain
cold parrot
I just rebuilt my Phindra for the "A Chance to Shine" event. What tier/level do I want to upgrade to for optimal performance? What crew?
merry fulcrum
Max and scrap it
heavy drift
Do Armada no longer count for A Chance to Shine ALB?
They did earlier, but not working now.
swift sage
we just tested it too @heavy drift, all using origins saru and no alliance points
also some people in our alliance are using origins saru as captain and not getting alliance points only solo.
glacial token
Hi 👋...does anybody know if the uss discovery can summon also miners?
glacial token
Do you know if there are any plans that spore drives can be farmed in the future? So far they can only be obtained limited in missions or bought ...but 4 packs seems much to obtain summoning ability
weary jewel
Remain Klingon Event Mission Chain for L41. Mudd in a 6.5Mil Explorer...that’s WAY WAY higher than the L45 Combat Captain. Who comes up with these ideas and ships for the Events?
lucid geode
Question ?
The muddied vision missions
Theres two for 10 mission keys and they say core mission and one for 20 mission keys that says side mission
Theres only 30 keys to earn in the battlepass event for them so which two would be the correct two to buy
orchid halo
Has any alliance hit 1 trillion
cerulean swift
Yep
cerulean swift
Currently here
jagged inlet
We gave up this morning after the Germans ground out a massive lead during the night
winged tulip
Alliance decided the reward wasn't worth the grind, no regrets.
shrewd totem
same Rwagg
flat fog
not a big dif from 1 to 3
drifting briar
Top three are over a trillion on my server
alpine snow
Wasn't there supposed to be a discovery pvp today as well as stella?
inland oar
I’m also missing the scheduled lv21+ discovery PvP event
formal hornet
@twilit imp @rough mulch Did the hamster fall off of the event wheel again? No Disco PvP event on server 43
inland oar
Was it changed from a lv21+ to a lv21 event perhaps?
alpine snow
Maybe just an under lvl 27 event?
formal hornet
hehe, what that would be the literal wording! hehe
unique copper
I am lvl 26. I have no events
inland oar
Odd though as I had it earlier in the arc and I’ve not changed level
formal hornet
ahh see Hamster was on its 15 minute union break!
unique copper
Lol
inland oar
Yep mine is back...along with all the mission chatter...
dense shadow
Anybody else not getting points for their Stella pvp kills?
abstract gate
And for the record, your pvp events still are a joke
nova blade
How do I take on a 400k+ Stella when I’m lvl 29? how dumb are you guys? Lower the level brackets for pvp events or use low level ships that don’t vary that much in strength
vivid hearth
Another shitshow,entire system frozen,lag lag lag
abstract gate
Not one but two useless PVP event...you guys are on a roll ey!
tacit light
My stella.will be staying home ...no rare uranium ....events not worth the cost ..what a joke
ashen wharf
Theres rare but its not much
tacit light
Ahhh only if ur at a certain level
If ur under 31 it looks like u don't get rares and the rewards are only half
unique copper
Anyone else only get 2 points for a pvp win?
frozen stone
Lol so under Level 31 you have to solve Event by only losses against 450k-650k Stellas and nearly get nothing. Well done Scopley 👎
solar fractal
Extra points for specific captains in "But Who's Counting?" do not appear to be working when you lose the battle. Is that intentional?
I do not see the win requirement in my description ...
See it now, not exactly intuitive. Much clearer if they put the "win" requirement right in the event description, but thanks.
formal hornet
@median slate you got it. I've said for a while, 2 factors impact the 'Fun' part of PvP. #1 time to get to battle and #2 Repair costs. Its why for me at least the G2 ship combat (lower costs) and now this disco pvp have been the better of the pvp events
lucid plover
Bonuses arent been applied correctly for captain in disco pvp
feral spoke
Stella PVP rewards are a joke, no rare no point in doing it. Oh wait maybe you are the choosen one and get rare in your rewards?
bronze quest
Nothing like 2 different pvp events camped by higher level players
azure thorn
Yeah I got those and I loved the stella pvp. Helps mine is pretty strong on my server lol
hazy warren
Anyone else not getting points for mining data
sleek horizon
Chat and mining rewards not working
sleek horizon
No disco points either
flat fog
just use vemet as captain, you will die often but still complet the event
agile eagle
Is there issues again with your Stupid Servers Scopley......
sleek horizon
There is Palmer chat is broke and no points for events
uncut marsh
Not getting mining credit for todays event
sleek horizon
Not the only one
agile eagle
Looks like Scopley have Broken the game again, and yet again no announcement from the mods or Dev teams.
final prism
Chat is bugged on server 142
ashen wharf
Break the refinery..
sleek horizon
No they just sit playing candy crush
solar fog
Chat broke
agile eagle
It would be nice to have some acknowledgement from the mods to say there is an issue and they are looking into it. Yet again they sit there just watching people moan. #pissup/brewery comes to mind
serene forum
Shield up people
hasty knoll
Can the systems for pvp be changed to only some of eclipse systems because I can kill up to 2 transports then my stella gets targeted
harsh warren
This pvp event is stupid.. way to get more people to quit...
prisma geode
I thought the mining event was getting people to quit👀
pale cobalt
This PvP event I like because we can chose to opt in by going to the designated systems or opt out by not going there
rugged zenith
Disco pvp is awful. Please stop with these terrible pvp events. The rewards are a joke. Decoupling the daily bp rewards with actual rewards is a horrible idea.
prisma geode
You are getting more rewards this go in battle pass. I don’t understand why you want less.