As soon as I launched after update I noticed they screwed up targeting, tap half the map and you select the same bloody ship 🙈
#🏆-event-chat
warm wasp
Anyway back to the real kick in the nuts here, compensation!! @twilit imp It’s sucks balls, big saggy hairy balls, try again please
Give us our points!
jaunty karma
Did everyone get exactly the same compensation no matter how far up the tree they got?
potent temple
This is terrible
jaunty karma
Same thing here exactly
Oh, you got 2 mil more tritanium tokens
I have more tritanium than I can use. What does that and one single refinery output matter?
shrewd totem
Level dependent
jaunty karma
I’m level 29
jaunty karma
So not dependent on our tree progress at all huh?
shrewd totem
🤷♂️
candid moat
Level dependent, but not equal to the tiers @shrewd totem
novel jasper
Anyone figure out what this is about?
If I choose the top can I get another alpha particle to do the bottom?
indigo perch
Short message. Not acceptable comp, wallet closed.
hollow fossil
Would hope so, is says you get that token from 2 different researches
spice leaf
Oh I know, I will never complain again about all the useless compensations, bugs, glitches, game crashes, and frustrating game play for say..... 150 Enterprise blueprints for all level 31 and up players 😊
glad cave
Compensation was next level unsatisfactory.
indigo perch
@spice leaf wouldn't mstter.
spice leaf
Aww can’t a girl dream @indigo perch lol
indigo perch
Lol
spice leaf
Maybe if everyone demanded 😉
novel hollow
They gave away one roguish ways event for compensation.
jaunty karma
I don’t understand why they didn’t give us points for the Roguish Ways - Elite event. Even a set amount.
They might as well given us Prime Augment Favor. It’s not as if that pack is worth buying, and it would have given us the objective we spent resources on.
novel jasper
@hollow fossil you need the one from eclipse defenses to do any research in its respective branch. I'm not seeing how we get all 6 needed
It looks like a black v white choice to me
hollow fossil
It "looks" as if you get 1 when completing Anarchist Weaponry Level 1 or more not sure, and then 1 when you complete Eclipse Defences Level 1 or more.
and both take a token of their own, which i think comes from the armada's or faction store
the screen shot says "and"
hollow fossil
yea, do you have eclipse defences?
novel jasper
Look at the particle symbol it's on 6 branches
novel jasper
But you need it for anything AFTER eclipse def.
hollow fossil
have to go rewatch the videos on it myself, there is 3 different unlock tokens
Alpha, Beta, Gamma
or scopley messed up the discriptions
simple spear
Once you unlock eclipse defenses you get another alpha particle and can go back and do the other tree. Same thing with the next level tree
hollow fossil
@novel jasper 👆
simple spear
Of course, this means that for the final tree, you will have to choose top or bottom and live with it
novel jasper
@simple spear so the research after eclipse does NOT need alpha particles?
They show the same icon
novel jasper
Where did you find that?
Sorry not that I don't trust you, I just want to be 70000% sure
simple spear
I understand
Judging by this, you will be able to go back to the first two trees and unlock them once you have gained enough reputation with rogue. The final tree however, will mostly likely be a permanent choice between rogue and augment.
wind ice
So in summation @twilit imp, you guys say there will be compensation but are non-descript about what it is, I issue a ticket they tell me no compensation, then you go on DJ and Rev podcast and say something is coming for milestone. Still seemed from what I heard that the Elite event was included, Then we get the chest and it’s just the basic Rogish Ways rewards. The 4 research event 😡. I had the Stella research done, we get nothing for elite??? The people complaining were gonna get the basic milestone done regardless. This compensation is a joke as is Scopely’s ability to manage expectations and communicate with the player community well after 48hrs after the event dropped. It’s not hard, tell people exactly what’s going on, why so damn opaque?
left yoke
Or even “Hey guys the events not working so don’t do researches until we confirm it’s working”. HOW HARD IS THAT?!
hollow fossil
Imgame I agree it should have been done as well.
Here it was announced at least 2 times
wind ice
Never officially announced @hollow fossil
wind ice
That’s not what I’m talking about, read my post, the specifics of the rewards were never clarified
hollow fossil
@wind ice was replying to Pellaeon
wind ice
👍🏻
hollow fossil
I agree there needs to be specific info released and even an "That was for the Normal event and the Elite is still WIP"
wind ice
Tbh I’d rather they just zeroed out the research I did. At least that way I could have gone back and gotten credit for the low hanging fruit research nodes.
hollow fossil
or what ever their reply is
wind ice
I think this is all we’re getting, but again who knows because the communication is woeful
hollow fossil
But, and this is MY opinion, the rewards for the Elite Event will come out after the event has concluded
You got the chest for the first normal after
now i wish they would confirm or deny that
wind ice
Which is utter BS, if I don’t know I have to assume so I a) do 70 researches on top of the 35 I didn’t get credit for just to make sure and then if they give the chest I’m pissed cause I shouldn’t have had to grind so hard or b) assume it’ll come, only do 35 more and run the risk they don’t give credit and I screwed that way too
hollow fossil
I understand that view. However from the tech side, you never what to change things when the server is live, if you think people are upset now, just immagine the reaction if something went wrong.
So, shutdown and fix while everyone waits, or do after?
wind ice
But if they just say what exactly the compensation is I don’t have to guess
hollow fossil
That would be PER PLAYER
unreal beacon
hollow fossil
been beat to death and back to life about 100 times already
nowonshall has a video out about it
you and everyone else is awaiting a responce
wind ice
They shouldn’t drop maintenance and events at separate times on the same day, or at least if the do issue the schedule when the game goes back up. Simple, easy, clear
hollow fossil
Yup, the patch should have been min 24 hours before the events, more like week before.
wind ice
No the patch released the new research trees and space, that lag would have made it much worse
hollow fossil
it did
thats the reason for the event issues
thats why you do patches days before event kicks live, so you can iron out the patch issues
and put a lock on the reseach tree and the warp paths till the event goes live or shortly before
funny, even marketing could like that, build anticipation
wind ice
👆🏻
burnt trail
That's called common sense and here at scopely....look a butterfly!
hollow fossil
i thought that was the squirrel effect
burnt trail
Better beta testing of events....or any at all...
wind ice
I hear people making the argument “you should’ve known better wait for the events” well sorry for wanting to play the game, I shouldn’t be punished for it.
hollow fossil
actually the events are working good
burnt trail
But this game has been live almost 2 years now and I can get that argument. It's always the same
A mod is watching.....shhh
hollow fossil
since they went live there has been no reports of missing points outside of the 2 events that started late
there is always a mod watching, lol
burnt trail
Really? Cause it happens pretty frequently. It's usually lag but even so
wind ice
There was never anything wrong with the events, just the communication
spice leaf
Scopely, your money, and the fks they give
wind ice
And the initial patch that affected gameplay itself
burnt trail
They do need to figure out a way to streamline client communication. A lot of these problems would disappear
hollow fossil
the 3 "issues" ive seen 1 the inital Lag, 2 the IOS logon issues 3, people with the 2 late reseach events. And 1 report i just saw of an armada Freezing up totaly.
wind ice
If they just dropped this went the servers come back up I have no issues
hollow fossil
@burnt trail Totaly, and that was said to Panic by Ultimate Dj's
Even just public acknowledgments of Issues would help
burnt trail
They are terrible about showing an event calendar....not sure why. It would be easy and frankly it's kinda sad we don't have one
hollow fossil
we do
wind ice
It’s in there if you scroll down @burnt trail that what I took a ss of
burnt trail
Really? Where?
burnt trail
That's one even.....I mean all events. Not just an arc
wind ice
That’s the whole calendar for the month
hollow fossil
yea, good start, need to improve
burnt trail
What about next month? What about the last year? That's the point I'm trying to make
hollow fossil
agree
wind ice
Really, asking for next month is a bit ambitious and beyond a reasonable expectation
simple spear
Just give positive feedback that they actually have one or we'll never see one again
burnt trail
Ok this conversation is clearly over your head.....🤣
wind ice
Asking for a full schedule of everything they plan to do is not the point nor over my head @burnt trail
burnt trail
Here is the point. I shouldn't have to sit and wait for event flip to see what the next event is. A 12 hour countdown or something like that is what I'm referring to.
hollow fossil
Also a fair point and idea to put in the proper chanel
burnt trail
I have many times. Also spoken to several privately. Doesn't matter and isn't important to them
hallow ember
Nothing I have seen in the idea channel has ever been translated to the game
hollow fossil
nothing as originaly written
hallow ember
And there have been some good, and reasonably simple ideas
wind ice
That part doesn’t bother me cause daily and 6h events repeat so often, but a major release that’s planned in advance and comes with a ready made calendar should be launched with the patch
burnt trail
A few things have but the mods and even panic are not scopely
hollow fossil
yup
burnt trail
Well today was a mining event, we never have mining events on Thursday. We do have a few things that traditionally do run the same days but sometimes even that isn't consistent.
hollow fossil
Panic is like the old Medieval Jester, stuck in the Middle and has to give the bad news to all.
burnt trail
He is the media guy ...everyone hates the media guy because he is simply telling the story and the story isn't always what you wanna hear
hollow fossil
and to be fair, he may not know or be allowed to say also.
burnt trail
I'm sure he does have an NDA signed and those can be pretty tricky. I have signed some very complicated ones before and it's no walk in the park.
shrewd totem
He has an NDA of course
robust vapor
It's an easy mining event anyway, who cares 😴
tribal narwhal
I did get compensation for roughish way but we will get for Roughish way elite rewards?
tribal narwhal
Ok... Good to know 😂
dim quest
What is the best way to complete spending G3 rss on Station?
hollow fossil
metric ton of speedups
dim quest
Ok, so it’s meant to be nigh on impossible. Cool.
hollow fossil
and lots of us have voice our opinion on that one
dim quest
Ok, my thanks to the community for reaching that conclusion before me 😂
hollow fossil
you can get to the first milestone if you started right away and were a fresh ops level, but otherwise ....................
full cedar
“Power gained is proportional to research node level and time to complete”
No it’s not, at all? 🤷♂️😂
hollow fossil
Ill be one of the lucky/cursed ones, i can get 50 BP's from this event, but my ability to get the second 50 from the second event is in question
cause odds are ill have to level to ops 27 and possibly lose the event from the list
latent pivot
Schedule says 10th July is an afternoon burst event, so why has it already started this morning on my server?
hollow fossil
Central Europen Time
latent pivot
CET only 1hr ahead of my time.
latent pivot
Yeah EU server.
hollow fossil
real sparrow
@twilit imp - I have received the compensation for the researches that were not credited in the event "Roguish Ways - Elite". However, the inclusion of the compensation pack includes the rewards for the event "Roguish Ways". This latter event only requires the completion of 4 researches, unlike the "Roguish Ways - Elite" which requires 70 researches. I have personally completed more than 15 researches up to "Stella Research" which allowed me to unlock the Rogue faction store. It is very disappointing that Scopely thinks that these additional researches is not worth compensating. On top of that our alliance has also been deprived of the needed research points that go toward the "Roguish Ways - Alliance Leaderboard". It is important that players are led and instructed properly on how to complete these events - I remembered that there is an explicit question related to event performance in the survey. This is clearly another failed attempt to set up these events.
hollow fossil
hmm, that is odd
latent pivot
That is scopely😫
hollow fossil
yea, i would say they goofed the schedule
abstract gate
Seriously people you jumped the gun and researched without events up. Be thankful you got anything for your lack of forethought. The delay was announced and we received compensation for it too, the fact that you eager beavers got additional compensation in any form is frankly absurd
warm wasp
Don’t think it’s more compensation they’re after it’s the points
silent horizon
I agree with @abstract gate Unless this is your first month of this game, the fault is mostly on you for researching stuff before events went live. Why the rush? Could you not wait for a couple of hours? Don’t you know better by now?
abstract gate
You expect points for early researches done with apparently no knowledge of potential points? Either you knew there'd be events and jumped the gun or you didn't know and missed out...neither scenario is deserving of compensation
I'll be writing to Apple, I want the stocks I missed out on in the 80's because I didn't know they'd be valuable now
true ocean
You expect points for early researches done with apparently no knowledge of potential points? Either you knew there'd be events and jumped the gun or you didn't know and missed out...neither scenario is deserving of compensation
@abstract gate you on Scopely payroll? Seem very keen to defend their incompetence. People did exactly what they always do, something new is added, they do it! Scopely messed up by not rolling the event when they rolled out the researches, you make it sound like everyone who did is an idiot and should be treated as such. I’m not interested in the rss, speed ups and Lat I spent doing the research, I wanted the event points for me and my alliance. I think most people are the same. Basically accusing those that researched early of being idiots is a bit idiotic in itself don’t you think?
abstract gate
You fkd up, that's on you not scopely. It was blindingly obvious there would be research events tied to the new content, the fact that you couldn't keep it in your pants is your fault not scopely's. Be mad at me for having an opinion if you want, it doesn't make me any less right.
dapper drum
and I kept criticizing players for jumping the gun and they just scoffed at me
so HA HA HA suckers
hollow fossil
the blame is 50 50
dapper drum
so if you spent mats on upgrading a ship before a ship upgrade event happened you deserve compensation?
no
abstract gate
When galaxy research rolled out there were events specific to it...all new content has had events specific to them...clearly pattern recognition is beyond some people
Gonna have to 🤮🤮🤮 back scopely on this 🤮🤮🤮 one sorry didnt feel right saying that.
Games have technical issues on updates, yeah would been nice if they had locked out the tree but we dont even know what the issues were and what could and couldn't be done given those problems.
But regardless, FOMO people knew there was no event, you could see it everyone was talking about it, if your leaving your disappointed feedback here, then you could easily have used discord equally to look at what was going on and seen in announcements there was a problem.
Has to be some common sense from players, we all know, new content = new events and that content will feed those events. So i saw there where no events and..... waited 😱😱😱.
So im guessing the players who didn't can at least agree they knew at least without real assurance they where not earning event rewards completing those researches as they could see none were running at the time.
Which means ya did the research for curiosity, something to do or get ahead before others... that same motivation that prompted you at the time to rush research when no events where running still stands and you achieved it.
Whatever your logic was then to rush you still got the same output your just retrospectively annoyed you would have got rewards as well if ya just, taken a deep breath thought broken launch meh better wait. When ya know something is very clearly wrong with the launch of an arc, and we all know new content feeds new events, then common sense always prevails 🤮🤮🤮 that felt so wrong
abstract gate
🤣🤣
dapper drum
how they all sound
hollow fossil
thats why the blame is 50% and 50%
players should have waited, but its also on Scoply for not controlling it like they should have
hollow fossil
if its not parked properly
dapper drum
the galaxy tree was parked properly
you just ran into it before it was aloud to be used
and even if not parked properly you are 100% liable for damaging someone else property
blame on this subject however is 100% players
hollow fossil
maby where you live
dapper drum
scopely didnt' force you to do any tech
all new content has been followed by an event related to it
I'm just glad though people are whining about it, makes it all worth the I told you so 😁
hollow fossil
"allowed to be used" you are correct, it was let out ahead of intended due to scoplyes fail
abstract gate
On that note i want ma free badges and dont palm me off with the battle pass arc, you know the free badges i mean 9 of them in the faction store 🤣🤣🤣
hollow fossil
and you are assuming I did things like do reserach, do not assume any one player did things
sleek hornet
If Scopely planned to do a research related event they should have made it impossible to do researches. In general when there is new content with events, you need to get new ship/officers to score for the events. As the research is a requierement to get the ship I consider it normal that people already invested in research as in my experience there is always a time limit to get and use the ship and the researches were about the only thing that didn't seem broken ...
abstract gate
Simple pattern recognition would've told you to hold your cards until the hand is fully dealt
☝️
hollow fossil
simple IT practice, lock the door when your fixing things.
abstract gate
And even the more obvious factor it was clearly broke as zero events where showing did the neurons not fire off once and go... i wonder if this maybe foolhardy 🤣
dapper drum
this is scopely there is no IT
hollow fossil
and there you have why people are upset
dapper drum
being upset over something the player could have controlled themselves is stupid
abstract gate
People are upset cause they missed out from being impatient 🙈
dapper drum
being upset time was wasted having to wait for an event which we got an compensation chest for it btw
hollow fossil
well, I hope you do get to be in Panic's shoes @dapper drum cause i want to see how you deal with the fall out of players and the bosses
dapper drum
I wouldn't choose a job like that
abstract gate
Panic is a sadist he must love punishment
dapper drum
pretty simple I have a choice and I choose to not being stupid
hollow fossil
pitty, customer service teaches you alot
sleek hornet
if you have been patient in previous and events and then you see when the events do get launched you were the fool that had waited and the others didn't ... well next time you also start early if you have the time
abstract gate
Early for what when nothing is running??
You had nothing to measure early progression by lol
dapper drum
like claiming your 24 hour daily chest when you already claimed it for that day and got the reward
then complaining it didn't count for next day
hollow fossil
you have an impossibility, lol
true ocean
You fkd up, that's on you not scopely. It was blindingly obvious there would be research events tied to the new content, the fact that you couldn't keep it in your pants is your fault not scopely's. Be mad at me for having an opinion if you want, it doesn't make me any less right.
@abstract gate so blindingly obvious that half the galaxy didn’t see it! Scopely should have frozen the research tree if they were not going to roll the event on time, that’s their fault, not players. You must live in a strange bubble.
hollow fossil
He has been here the whole time
meager galleon
I see both sides of the argument. Those that were present when Galaxy tree released should have been well clued up that it’s likely there will be research events. The Maint finished in the morning EU and Events don’t roll over to 5pm my time so I only did a few researches before events should have reset
hollow fossil
Ninja's
meager galleon
However I do think it would have been better to lock out the tree until events went live
Alternatively an in game announcement and discord announcement after Maint finished stating there would be events based on research in the tree was coming up would have had a similar effect
meager galleon
Oh there is always drama with this game
hollow fossil
plans
meager galleon
Even if you do things right
sleek hornet
When has Scopely ever done things right?
meager galleon
Well to some people never 🙂
abstract gate
@abstract gate so blindingly obvious that half the galaxy didn’t see it! Scopely should have frozen the research tree if they were not going to roll the event on time, that’s their fault, not players. You must live in a strange bubble.
@true ocean half? Bs a handful of vocal whingers isn't half
hollow fossil
@abstract gate your forgetting ingame chats also
dapper drum
I warned everyone in my alliance to not touch the tree
and they listened
they knew common sense
hollow fossil
I know my servers global was LIVELY about tis
abstract gate
Ah common sense...the least common of the senses 🤣
long dust
Is my watch working it is the morning of the 10th????
true ocean
@abstract gate your forgetting ingame chats also
@hollow fossil exactly, but Dyspeptic only lives by the word of Discord, so only a few “vocal whingers” has he seen.
hollow fossil
then he must have everyone in his global blocked
I know i have a couple people blocked
but it was soo fiesty that i couldn't read it all at times
abstract gate
Too much salt, you've ruined my popcorn. Switching to fish n chips, pass the vinegar
dapper drum
ketchup popcorn
hollow fossil
yuck
dapper drum
ketchup powder makes anything bland taste good
hollow fossil
@dapper drum sadly the whole drama is a collective failure and needs to be addressed somehow. Im not affected other than as an onberver. For once not being high enough to be in the event payed off.
let the events bleed off resources of the higher ups, lets me get ahead
abstract gate
It was addressed, we got a compensation chest for the delay and the eager beavers got compensation for their mistake too...that's more than fair tbh
hollow fossil
That will depend on Panic/Scopely's view only.
crystal spade
The way they compensated is wrong
abstract gate
Panic is just a mouthpiece for scopely and has no direct influence on policy
hollow fossil
And that is what the questions are about to get what the exact view is, because the info presented can be viewed at least 2 ways
@abstract gate Not totaly true
he many not have much, but he has some
crystal spade
If you decide to compensate do it fairly. Or don't do it at all.
hollow fossil
So now we wait, the communitys view's are out
sharp ibex
I agree with @abstract gate in this, why? see #729981710170718239 , saves repeating myself
potent temple
@twilit imp can we get an update on when we’re going to get a resolution on the BADGES and the ROGUISH WAYS - ELITE Research points backtracking/reduction due to your release failures and game accounting errors??
shrewd totem
They never said what they will give as compensation
abstract gate
Ours wasn't even bracketed this time lol
shrewd totem
Already reported, they are working on it
potent temple
I find the whole thing “egregious” c’mon this really is just pathetic
abstract gate
Eu timeframe: maintenance ends 12 midday, research tree is live yet event reset is 6hrs away, fast forward to 6pm reset happens no events...the wise waited the foolhardy/impatient apparently rushed every last research they could...I'm still struggling to see where that impatience is scopely's fault
potent temple
Yeah, need to purchase prime patience
abstract gate
There was plenty of speculation on here that the new research would have associated events. Speculation based on past experience with new content roll outs. Acquisition of the stella bp's was already confirmed to be through the main battle pass milestones not the research so getting a jump on that was patently pointless. 5mins of critical thinking, pattern recognition and common sense would've told you to wait, at the most start a research and hold off claiming it until events were up.
Scopely could have done more to communicate with the community the precise nature of the upcoming events. They could have locked the research tree and removed related packs from the store. Ultimately though the fault lies with the players who couldn't keep it in their pants until the announced and compensated for delay was fixed.
potent temple
Also, prime clairvoyance pack should be purchased right...
wide mural
A simple mail from scopely would have stopped this but as we all know scopely doesn't do things for the player just for it's own pocket
exotic yew
There was also a domination event on where research scored points...
abstract gate
Honestly if common sense seems like clairvoyance to you I think I've found the root of your problem
Stuff like this explains how people drive into lakes just because their gps told them to
potent temple
Yep, just a simple communication and perhaps not having a live research tree active until all other game components are in place would be sensible. Then they would have to do less apologizing
jaunty sonnet
@shrewd totem
Base/(1+x%)
Base/(1+x%)
@shrewd totem This is not a correct reduction as a percentage. This is mathematically absolutely incorrect. Using the similar formula for increase to stats is accurate because it is on the base stat but a 10% reduction on the base stat is only achievable by 1*(1-x%). This is false advertising or another bait and switch
shrewd totem
No that is Scopely math
jaunty sonnet
Scopely math is incorrect then
That is not a 10% reduction
Tell me if you went to a shop with a 10% sale on would you pay the price if it was with Scopely math?
Working out the stat increases using Base*(1+modifiers) IS correct math, but this is not. Just like dividing by 0 is not.
drowsy viper
@potent temple seriously, what’s the other “game components”? Besides stella particles, the rare or uncommon crystal doesn’t even cover 10% of the cost of doing 70 research
And if you’re talking about burst events, those are crazy and you can only win them by being patient and knowing the research event would take an entire day to start
And if you’re lvl 31, you can’t win burst without paying
drowsy viper
@potent temple Elite outlaw event? Did you check the rewards? Did you compare the rewards to the cost of speeding up 70 research ?
potent temple
Yep
drowsy viper
8 rare crystal is what you want? They already gave a compensation chest with 4 rare crystal, which is equivalent to 50 research milestone
I mean is one of the lowest reward events I saw in a very long time, unless the stella particles are really a game changer
potent temple
The chance to complete the event was taken away from us. I want the Stella particles
drowsy viper
(Compared to the cost of completion)
@potent temple sure, demand stella particles, it’s fine by me
abstract gate
Ermahgerd the event doesn't replace the materials used to complete it...man listen to yourselves
potent temple
And I want a response to the badges debacle
abstract gate
Hahaha and I want a million dollars...difference is I'm more likely to get my wish
potent temple
You’re probably right but I have every right to complain. Scopley’s behavior is egregiously unacceptable. But that’s normal I guess
abstract gate
The whole point of the 70pt event is to get whales buying the primes...you lot don't matter. If it's too much for a handful of stella particles and a gaudy frame then skip it and quit complaining
potent temple
That’s not the point. I don’t care about a stupid frame. I care about the responsibility scopley has to its customers and how it has acknowledged our complaints
abstract gate
There's a reason a single prime completes it...same reason building an epic would complete my military supremacy
It's a really ugly frame tbh
🤮
potent temple
My teammate has completed it without purchasing any primes. He now has a head start in choosing a research path using the Stella particles
abstract gate
Scopely can only take responsibility for their actions...if you jumped the gun and rushed all your research thats your responsibility
potent temple
Nope
abstract gate
This one? Yeah me too
winter quarry
Hey ya know just saying I like rare cry and uc but we’re spending a ton of uc gas and there is very little given back and well the refinery sucks even with prime. Could ya maybe give some rare and uc gas somewhere?
potent temple
Scopley has the responsibility to communicate and to ensure they deliver game updates properly to give everyone an equal opportunity
And those BADGES
😂😂😂😜
abstract gate
Both frames got without spending btw...just by reading the ingame bulletin and being patient...
potent temple
Good for you, you look great 👍 but my point still stands.
cedar echo
In the morning we had an extra burst event and now on the Evening's burst event, seems like the groupings have widened but the prizes are the same. Now 36-45 in the same leaderboard, previously was just 36-39 in the same leaderboard.
dapper drum
point stands that you played yourself and need to blame someone else?
potent temple
It’s cool. Opinion is divided on this. I’m not going over this again as you can read above.
crystal spade
I support you on this Wookie 👍
dapper drum
the badges was a scopely dev issue
the completing something before an event is a player issue
abstract gate
Tbh scopely may as well just give everyone the rewards just to shut em up. Those of us that actually waited get rewarded for our patience and the eager beaver gimmies get what they want too...problem solved
charred shadow
Sorry if this has been discussed. The research tree went live right after maintenance and the research events started with a timer as though the event went live at noon NYC time, although the event actually didn’t go live at noon. It had a shortened clock like faction hunt. Anyone who only started research when the event finally appeared is shortchanged time to complete the elite event
And we’re not in the same boat because those who started as soon as the research went live got some compensation. Plus I know several of these individuals plan to argue for credit of the lost points should they reach 70 by adding what was missing from their points and their actual points
But they need to finish the event early or they actually received extra time to get to 70 if scopely gives them the tier rewards that didn’t trigger
novel hollow
The only way to get to 70 is speed ups and lat, how do you need more time?
The comp given was one Roguish Ways tier. Ie you did 30 researches here’s Payment for the 5 you would have got by completing that event.
Not 30 points on the Elite leaderboard to which you need to now do additional higher level research if you want to make it to 70.
south orbit
upgrade station with materials?
click the lower left, see what materials give most points
mental yoke
Another mining event...srsly🙄
charred shadow
@novel hollow clarification less speed ups and latinum
abstract gate
It's almost always 2xevent for battle pass points...after 4 borg arcs and an outlaw arc how are you still surprised by this?
novel hollow
@charred shadow ??
charred shadow
Saying with the benefit of more time you wouldn’t need to use as many speed ups or latinum
And for the missing points for elite, several people I’ve talked to plan to go back to scopely for them if they can show they would have finished otherwise
oak pewter
Thanks @south orbit 👍🏻
novel hollow
I’m more annoyed that the mining event isn’t going to get us to the mission milestones. Hopefully the Saturday event will get us to the next mission keys so we can do the “hopefully “ long mission chain on Sat -Sun.
charred shadow
I’m sure scopely is going to drag it out
novel hollow
@ocean dock I’m not sure how much speed up and lat you are saving by the 6-8 hour delay experienced.
winged tulip
It just stinks a bit that doing faction hunt gets you 12k event points for decent rewards, while doing this snorefest for bad rewards only gets 8k points
charred shadow
You’re probably right but it’s the principal of it
Well faction hunt is more work
winged tulip
I don't mind more work for more rewards. I don't like a few hours of RSI clicking data mines for nothing much in return.
charred shadow
I’m not data mining I don’t care if it is faster
I’m sticking with latinum
I’m using the dvor with 10/10 so I’m satisfied with that completion time
Way less clicky
Adding data mining is good as it gives people more options
They should do it for Monday’s weekly mining event as well
south orbit
data also exchanged for mudd directives in rogue store
charred shadow
Don’t have time to mine lat or other rss you can get it done quick via data nodes
Yes I just saw that yesterday
abstract gate
Screw data...2.4mil milestone takes an hour on data...4 pre loaded lat miners and I have 1.9mil at reset and the other 500k in 45min...data...pfft
Still coasting on the data mined from the last arc...won't need to revisit that well for another 3-4weeks
dapper drum
well once you get ranked up with rogue you will want decoded data for directives
6 more days until armada event
abstract gate
I'm counting the cost of directives lol
dapper drum
37k at 2nd title wait until it gets into the 250k+ range
abstract gate
If the recycling mechanic of the stella isn't worthwhile then it's all for nowt anyhow
We'll find out in a few days when the spenders get theirs early...f2p has some advantages lol
shrewd totem
DJ already got bps so I am assuming will see CC talking about it faster than whales get it
merry fulcrum
You should have 50bps by now if you've done every event
abstract gate
I don't trust the opinion of somebody gifted the bp's...built-in bias due to lack of investment
Content creaters have a roll in the community but when they are given free stuff to review their opinion has already been scewed by not having to invest time and effort into getting it like the rest of us
woven belfry
Sure it's a bias, but that would make it harder for then to answer for themselves "was the investment worth it", while they seem like they could answer just fine things about how effective it is for it's purpose, how it's used, if it's valuable, etc
daring drift
That’s the compensation pack... what a farce!!! We want the points back!!! I completely 103 researches and the actual messed up event counts only 48.... 🤷♂️
abstract gate
Anyone got a sad trombone gif?
granite zenith
abstract gate
👍
granite zenith
🤣
simple spear
@daring drift I don't understand. That chest contains everything you would get in a normal 2-day event for completing research. How many chests have you received?
heavy cradle
what he's saying is that he got the compensation for the solo ladder, but no credit/compensation for the elite ladder, which he would have more than completed by now if the points from before the event started had counted.
winter quarry
Just saying with asking everyone to blow through uc they may or may not have a bonus refinery would be much appreciated and helpful
daring drift
@heavy cradle exactly..... there’s is no need to compensate, but to get the gathered points right.... elite part is the one to get stella particles etc..
granite zenith
ok... so firstly, I wholeheartedly disagree with there being ANY compensation... however, has anyone even considered that they only compensated the first small event because it was COMPLETED. the Elite event is still ongoing and that they MAY still be deciding IF any compensation will be addressed when that event ENDS?
winter quarry
Bonus refinery bonus refinery bonus refinery
uneven dove
Still waiting on the 22 was Scores for research event
simple spear
Were you around for galaxy tree release?
Name me one time where this game had a content release and no events to coincide with them. Yall shoulda known better.
daring drift
Got the point, @granite zenith there should not be any demand on compensation.... my point is, so far I did nothing wrong but me and those other players have a disadvantage now, completed research not counting and those to finish for actual events and leaderboards more expensive .... i wrote a long letter to support yesterday, still no response 🤷♂️
leaden talon
So watching the video, at 0:32 it starts talking about the Stella. Being able to unlock it if you buy a pack. It clicks on level 8 (which I have passed already) and there are no additional shards. I still have the 50 from level 5 and the other 50 look to be in the free side of level 10. So can you get the Stella sooner?
simple spear
Honestly don't know what to tell you. I don't know how you could have not forseen events centered around these.
granite zenith
and as was said by someone earlier... If i build and tier a ship and then an event comes out that gives awards, should i get credit because i didnt know? Of course not,
hollow fossil
If that was one of the regular events you are correct. This isn't a regular event.
granite zenith
exactly... its an event based on the NEW STUFF IN THE GAME... wow... 2+2 guys it really is not that hard
hollow fossil
yup, but that is why the most i expect to see is the points corrected at the end.
cause fixing the points then gives everyone the rewards they have earned
and that is Compensation
granite zenith
simple spear
What points
granite zenith
like i said i disagree that compensation is deserved, but fight the good fight... you do you
hollow fossil
@granite zenith we disagree, you are sadly in the Minority, only time will tell
simple spear
No compensation over glitched badges. Youre lucky youre getting anything on this
granite zenith
unfortunatly... you are again incorrect ... you however ARE in the vocal minority... MOST people waited...
and yeah... the BADGES are the bigger issue... but have fun
hollow fossil
that is another whole debacle
@granite zenith the Majority want the event fixed. Soo, good for you to wait. You are right the players SHOULD have waited. Scopey SHOULD have stoped things also
spice leaf
You should get a job at Scopely they probably would love you there Badges
granite zenith
i should... pass them along my resume will ya
daring drift
😂
crystal spade
Compensation should be in points. Don’t care about the rss.
spice leaf
Lol
abstract gate
@granite zenith save your breath mate...I've been arguing with the gimmies all day, they just don't want to admit they fkd up
daring drift
@abstract gate really.... they don’t even reponse to my love letter...
hollow fossil
Massive difference with give me what i did nothing to earn, versus Fix and rewards me what was taken from me
you would be saying much different if it was the stella bluepirints that you didn't get
granite zenith
i know @abstract gate i know... and like i said... good for them if they get it... dont think they deserve it... but whatever... i tell ya what... either way I bettcha they won't rush new content again
abstract gate
You jumped the gun...if this was the Olympics you'd be disqualified not compensated
frozen abyss
so... swarm for tomorrow's battle pass event?
dapper drum
now you are giving them cake and letting them eat it 🤣
abstract gate
They caved you won...score one for the gimmies
granite zenith
no we can still debate that yall were morons for not expecting the events... that hasnt changed
dapper drum
capital M
granite zenith
so can we now start the riot for the faction chest reset glitch??
granite zenith
👆 👆
hollow fossil
Im behind you 100% about the badges.
abstract gate
heavy cradle
I will give some major credit/dues to the devs on the login splash with a calendar for this arc, though. Having an in-game calendar where you knew about events would be a huge boon, too.
hollow fossil
@heavy cradle https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/509688840282308608/730188732556247111/MEmu_aGkkNwNQA9.png?width=400&height=205
is in game
heavy cradle
yes, that's what I'm giving them credit for. Having an actual calendar system, and not a random splash at login, would be even better.
potent temple
Yep, this is more like it. Well done @twilit imp
south arrow
This research has no effect on repair cost has anyone else noticed this?
rugged zenith
@twilit imp repair cost reduction is not an accurate description. Neither is warp from Lightweight engines. Why can’t scopely give accurate values? Or at least accurate descriptions ?
It creates constant dissatisfaction because the expectations set in the description are not met.
hollow fossil
Its on BASE cost not current cost. It is working, just not as you would think.
solar fog
south arrow
0 difference in cost so your wrong
inland hamlet
So 27 plus get compensated for 2 events, 24 to 27 no news for us.. Guess only 27plus players welcome
hollow fossil
So far 😢
Now that the noise about the epic is out of the way, maby we can be heard
Well, assuming nothing changes, I'm prepping/farming for the next event. Never done a race to ops event style, and i begin to see why its soo hated
Not to mention, what about 27+ who want the V'Dar also
inland hamlet
You've basicly given all 27 plus compensation for late start events. Plus they had 2 events, 24to 27 have an impossible event, and as started late people started building which would have given points in the event, much like the research.
Also only station buildings requiring common and unc g3 count no research nothing else
rugged zenith
Its on BASE cost not current cost. It is working, just not as you would think.
@hollow fossil like I said in my original comment. The descriptions are not accurate.
hollow fossil
100% agree
was also posting that for the other comments that it was not working at all
steady narwhal
what scrapyard lvl will we need to scrap stella?
shrewd totem
You need lvl27 to build it so I am guessing 27 to scrap it as well
hazy storm
@panic so battlepass only gives 60 event token for the mission 360 if you buy the pass. Yet to complete all four mission paths you need 410 tokens.
Did someone screw up the math or are we using new scopely math?
shrewd totem
No you are seeing it wrong
hazy storm
@twilit imp can you also fix the issue with armada target where the rare targets are replacing the uncommon. So there no uncommon to target and a but load of rares which few folks have token to attack
shrewd totem
when you open the event store,order of the chests change so you click on the 2nd mission instead of 1st and you see 50 which is why you calculated 410. now go back and do it more carefully by checking name of every mission so you dont repeat same mission chest twice
wide mural
@hazy storm the rare armadas don't give rewards anyway then become uncommon when destroyed, just did one and got nothing
autumn ether
@wide mural Actually, the Emadas do give rewards, it just goes into your ships cargo hold. Also, the Rare Ermadas don't always become uncommon Emadas, it is random chance. Sometimes a Rare respawns with a Rare. Right now our server has only Rare Emadas spawned.
wide mural
@autumn ether well we didn't get any rewards for a 48 million rare armada
autumn ether
@wide mural We had the same issue Andy, I waited a few min restarted the game, and recalled my ship, just to check. After a few min, I got the rewards
Just be patient.
abstract gate
Short question...
Does anyone know if the other missions are available without the elite battle pass? In the normal battle pass are only 50 keys in future available...
wide mural
@autumn ether it was 2 hours ago lol
autumn ether
@wide mural Ouch! ok, I'd definitely submit a ticket in your shoes then
wide mural
@autumn ether yes we've all put a ticket In so hopefully we'll get our rewards
@autumn ether maybe lpl
Lpl
Lol
dapper drum
no the other 3 missions are premium missions@abstract gate
magic vigil
Is anyone else not getting the currency from winning eclipse armadas?
granite zenith
its in your cargo hold... return to base before you get jacked by someone else
long slate
How do I acquire Stella blueprints?
magic vigil
Battlepass is the only way currently
abstract gate
@dapper drum thx👍
dapper drum
full prints at milestone 10
problem is you have to constantly scrap it and rebuild it so there is literally no point in levelling it up so its going to be useless without its potential
inland hamlet
Get more rewards higher lvl it is xp wise same as scrapping any ship, rewards are based on its lvl not its tier
A t9 lvl 1 gives same scrap as t1 lvl 1
But a t9 lvl 45 gives max rewards
dapper drum
point of scrapping it is for the rogue items it gives
inland hamlet
But gives zero at lvl 1
dapper drum
you need to progress in rank and tech
inland hamlet
This is an equivalent 3* ship at lvl 26 as goes to t9 so cost over efficiency may be around lvl 35 plus
dapper drum
its going to be stupid to max tier and level it everytime you need to scrap it to rebuild it for something
inland hamlet
Yes depends what happy medium is max lvl gives max rewards always
But what's best efficiency...?
inland hamlet
Get gregor to scrap it at each lvl and feed us the most efficient lvl
Or maybe you could test it for us
dapper drum
if its no good until tier 7+ like the vidar then its going to bs to have an ingame mechanic that requires you to scrap it and rebuild it over and level it again to use it
inland hamlet
Build a tier 8 lvl 1 scrap it then scrap it at t1 lvl 1 see if its same
dapper drum
you will need to level it to use it
no point tiering if you are not going to level it
its ability will be based upon its level
at level 1 its no better then a kehra
inland hamlet
But you need to scrap it to research the outlaw research that improves it
dapper drum
so you can't use until you are done everything and they get tired of running events for it
inland hamlet
Without scrapping it you can't do the resrarch
dapper drum
exactly the point
if you are going to have to constantly build/scrap it over and over how can you use it without wasting mats/rss/speedups on it everytime you want to do armada
inland hamlet
Test it tell us how long b4 you don't need to scrap it, since tree goes to lvl 46, could be a while
It's basicly an rss dtain
Same as buildings
And ships
They give then take away
dreamy root
How do I get apex research medals?
eager hill
some of the research pertaining to stella are too important for it not to be scrapped.
inland hamlet
@dreamy root click on currency it says, alliance reward events
winter quarry
Hey could y’all make sure you add some pocket lint to Battle Pass lvl 8 it may improve it. Really 3day shield a couple speed ups and if you have elite 5 mudd shards and 50 credits
dapper drum
its because 7 is going to eat 9 and 8 needs to leave room for 7
subtle phoenix
Hi
odd nova
Has anyone put much effort into the ‘different breed’ event? Mine has a full vi’dar bps as reward. I already have one so is it worth it?
abstract gate
Is it worth getting a second vidar when travel to borg space is limited by daily warp cell income? Tough question, I'll have to run the numbers and get back to you.
odd nova
The only benefit I see is time saved by grinding with two at a time...
robust vapor
Except one will be a less effective crew 🤷♂️ not much point imo.
odd nova
I’m inclined to agree order2chaos
robust vapor
I think dyspeptic was trying to say that too, just by using sarcasm. He's one of the more cynical types here 😋
odd nova
👍😊
solid badger
Nice they are mixing up cp with shard events. I have like 31 officers that need upgraded. Oh wait. I can’t upgrade 90% of them cuss I have NO BADGES.
robust vapor
Yeah, hence the shards events are better than the xp events 🎉
shrewd totem
And that is also why I dont understand people who asked for those exp events to be back......
robust vapor
I'm happy for both, will spend XP here and there still, but the longer you play the less useful that event is 🤷♂️
prisma geode
Keep them both
@robust vapor XP will still be relevant as long as Scopely gives us a way to level the new officers. If not it’s useless.
2 shards once a month for an officer doesn’t count
robust vapor
@prisma geode I said I'm happy for both. But there is a limit for using XP, both in the pay wall of badges and then the later wall of maxing all officers (think of the whales!). Shards count no matter what, so they're much better imo.
prisma geode
Was thinking of the whales when I said new officers, ultra recruit is about worthless to me as it stands, with no new officers in it.
drowsy viper
A tier 1 lvl 5 Stella gives 150-200 stella particles and a tier 9 lvl 45 it gives 30k Stella particles. I’d say it depends how much stella particles you need that you’ll scrap at one point or another
@solid badger there was a recruit SLB YESTERDAY
What’s wrong with you people? You’ve all done XP SLB when you were growing and now you want it removed for those who are still growing?
Why?
prisma geode
Not sure keep them both, we need different events.
robust vapor
@drowsy viper we're not saying to remove anything? 🤨
And I've never done an officer XP leaderboard event, that's a huge waste 😂
dense mulch
my sally can solo a 31
@dapper drum
dapper drum
yes it can solo a lvl 31 exchange armada
1.39m power with the crew I use
the rewards are only good for recruit sms
but officer xp gives all mats/rss
recruit only seems to give crystal
inner loom
I too prefer the XP events and make sure to do every limited I come across. But I also like the occasional recruit event too. Nice trit and tons of crystal. I just don’t do every one I see.
dapper drum
its a credit dump for the recruit heroic
scopley thought they could stop people from hoarding ultra tokens for good 2x recruit chests by implementing this new event
haven't used a single ultra token yet on any of them
inner loom
I just use the premiums and faction recruits that I’ve hoarded. Gotta save the ultras for events and 2x officers
And well timed opening of chests in battle pass and faction stores
dapper drum
yep scopley can only fool the majority
but there are few like us who see through their poor attempts to make us spend
novel hollow
Hmmm guess I’ll add that into my strategy
inner loom
Def save those ultras and make them count!
novel hollow
I’ll console myself with the lucky Spock pull
robust vapor
I'm saving most of mine in the hopes of news officers still 😂
novel hollow
I still need plenty of the old officers
spark turtle
Where do we find the new m2 and m12 missions?
south orbit
battlepass event
olive rover
Because some people have the XP to spend batsy
Look at the rewards for both events
I guarantee the one for the XP event is better
Because it includes ALL mats not just stupid crystal
If they only kept the newer version legit the only way to get gas is the refinery or certain special events 😂 😂 😂
Meanwhile crystal is in almost every damn daily event now 😂
novel hollow
@olive rover lmao 😂 then why has it taken me a month to get 1000uc crystal.
Then I can start on all the crystal needs for ships I haven’t built. Sorry your ENT is suffering
olive rover
Not just my Ent, most research is gas too and it get pricey
novel hollow
Yeah all my research stuck on crystal; seems like the walls of rss are working as intended. But I do like a mix of rewards from events.
olive rover
The rewards for the old events were fine for mixed mats
Like ship XP events are far better than the new rebate version they have
I always tired up and maxed Envoys for those
novel hollow
Yeah got one in the heap now.
Guesses for today? Domination right since it’s a weekend ...
novel hollow
And target practice
hollow goblet
No jelly event @twilit imp ?
solid badger
@drowsy viper I am not saying remove the event but get the badge access in game and out from behind a paywall. Put in the 30 day loyalty chest or put back in the faction stores on a 30 or even a 45 day cool down
shrewd totem
No jelly event @twilit imp ?
@hollow goblet why would you assume there is going to be a Jelly event?
rough elk
Anyone have a good Talla crew load out?
dapper drum
gaia as captain no other crew
I have to wait to finish mining before i can let my jelly out to eat
damn low warp range junker
hollow goblet
@hollow goblet why would you assume there is going to be a Jelly event?
@shrewd totem it’s monthly, and it started last month on a Saturday at 17:00, and this is the closest Saturday to being one month since that last one
shrewd totem
It isnt 100% monthly but it does regularly happen every month and it can start any day of month. There is no exact date
hollow goblet
Thanks for clarifying, will keep 👀👀
olive rover
It usually starts on the 2nd or 3rd weekend of the month
If not this weekend it'll be next for sure
amber talon
@twilit imp (or whoever would have influence on this)
If you guys are going to keep pushing this PvP event on us, at least allow everyone to build the Jelly so it’s a fair fight. Some of us never got the Jelly when we were little and now we’re overpowered in an event that nobody anticipated last year. And if that’s too difficult, make it a fair fight by replacing it with the Turas.
median roost
Another Jellyfish ass kicking event. Lame. PVP is fun but only if everyone can be equally armed.
novel hollow
We all like ships so we should be able to access them. I’ll trade all my kehra and Kumi and Vahlk bps for one.
shrewd knot
Ugh agreed this trash PVP event. So lame you want to fluff the p2w people, do it with something else
shrewd totem
🤫
meager galleon
Very over rated
olive rover
A very special crew makes you win every fight in a Talla
Even against Phindras, Jellies, and other Tallas
shrewd knot
You going to list it, or just make things up?
amber talon
And what crew might that be, @olive rover?
olive rover
Y'all figure it out from here
😉
Modified my crew to slap Tallas and Phindras around
median roost
Take the screen shot at the beginning. I bet that Jelly had little hull left.
olive rover
It had its full hull health buddy
See all that red?
Grey bars in your health bar mean you didn't have that hull when you started the fight
Red means it's current battle damage
random tide
Can confirm. Thats a full health jelly
robust vapor
Anyone can see it. This is STFC 101 stuff.
olive rover
Some people just still think the Jelly is OP 🤷♂️
olive rover
😂
abstract gate
@olive rover I'm really interested to know what you have stacked downstairs, same question to @meager galleon 😉
median roost
Again...show us the hull before the battle starts.
meager galleon
The hull is full for the jelly
olive rover
A maxed Kirk/Spock/Tpring/Bones
meager galleon
Mine is almost dead
median roost
Nothing like a damn crash mid combat
meager galleon
Red line shows how much was lost during the fight
abstract gate
Cheers @olive rover will try that later 😁
meager galleon
🙈
abstract gate
That crew is certainly effective but you're also packing lvl40 research and buff buildings, prime officers high promotion officers (I see a maxed kirk for instance), f2p results may vary
median roost
It would be nice to know you have prime officers.
amber talon
Interesting. 🧐
I’ll try it out and report back. I have a feeling this won’t work as well without maxed officers but we shall see!
meager galleon
A lower lvl in my alliance was also doing fine though
winter quarry
Keep your 2k pts scopley ain’t participating until we all can secure a jelly. And please quit sending me crap prints that I have 50k of
amber talon
What Dysp said 👆
abstract gate
@amber talon it'll still work but not as overwhelmingly as a lvl40 with primes up the wazzoo
median roost
It won’t. Just a p2w showing off they can do it.
meager galleon
My Mirek and Krell arnt that good
75% and a 175% anti Fed bonus
If they were maxed then 😍
median roost
21k and 22k? “Not that good” lol 😆
olive rover
My Bones and Spock are maxed
meager galleon
Those arnt my officers above MrKnigh
olive rover
Tpring is like 1 level from maxing out
median roost
Still most of us are not even breaking 6k on most of these officers.
abstract gate
Yeah the blues...was referring to the epics
Maxing a couple of blues is within a f2p's reach
Only a couple mind
robust vapor
You don't need prime officers to max stats on a talla..
abstract gate
True but it sure helps
robust vapor
Even I can do that. No prime officers, no one with badges, not even a full crew..
olive rover
You don't even need high tier Kangs or Chars either for the G2 ships
median roost
Point is still the jelly is way superior vs the other two. The event would be better if one ship did not have a clear advantages and was not unobtainable b most players.
abstract gate
If he's lvl40 with prime officers I'm guessing he has most of the others too plus a fair amount of regular research far above a f2p paygrade
median roost
Just compare the base stats of that ship vs the other two. It is a superior platform and not obtainable to a lot of players.
abstract gate
It's obtainable by all..win 15 times, lose 45 times or any combination of the two...done
robust vapor
Yeah, he'll have more bonuses and better officers. But you don't need it to max the stats out if you've been playing for a reasonable amount if time..
median roost
No the ship is not obtainable. There is no way to get a jelly for a lot of players.
abstract gate
Nvm misread
solid badger
Thos officers maxed out?
robust vapor
Yeah, I can see how the higher listed stats on that jelly really made the difference there 😂
I'm not a PvP person so I don't do well in the events, but it's clearly able to be defeated by an "inferior" talla 🤷♂️
flint verge
I’m on SECT DISCORD ?
abstract gate
Talla has triangle advantage, making the most use of it with your crew choice is key...if you just charge in with pike crew because you couldn't be bothered to swap then yeah you're in for a 45-0 losing streak
median roost
Nobody said it was impossible, straw man argument. But it clearly has an advantage.
robust vapor
.. those guys could kill those jellies 10x over.. that's not an advantage I'm worried about.
abstract gate
Most people with jelly probably paid for it...they paid to have an advantage so what's the problem?
olive rover
I can kill maybe 15-20 Jellies in a row and finish the event on one hull
median roost
I’m winning against weak jellies and choosing targets wisely. So no, don’t assume I’m 0-45. But it is still an unbalanced event. Especially when players have no way to get a jelly.
meager galleon
Take a Talla, with Marcus as Cap, Krell and Mirek on bridge with him and give it a go vs Jelly’s
meager galleon
Been if both Mirek and Krell are lvl 5 or 10 you’ll still do well
Fired off for me in Log? Dunno if they worked
If only one then my bad 🙈
olive rover
500% might be a cap
I dunno
Would take some testing
Wouldn't be surprised cause 1000% of defense to damage is insane
To the point a Sally running Marcus/Krell/Mirek could kill a baby Enterprise 😂
median roost
Nobody is saying you can’t beat them. Geese....quit making strawman arguments. The point is of the three ship triangle one is way superior and not obtainable to newer players. I’ve played over a year and never had a chance to earn one. It would be nice to have one.
olive rover
No
robust vapor
"way superior" and beaten 15 times over aren't exactly the same thing is where I'm going..
olive rover
But you made the dumb argument of "Show the full hull before battle starts"
You lost all validity after 2 logs were shown of battles of FULL HEALTH HP
And you STILL ASKED for such "full hull hp" logs.
meager galleon
This was all vs the “superior ship”
Some had very good crews. Some not so much
But it is achievable or close, even with officers not as lvld
olive rover
Remember...the Jelly is only a G2 ship
You don't need max officers to beat it like you'd need to beat G3 ships against or using the triangle
robust vapor
Yes, it is way superior to your Talla Kaution. I understand now 🤫
Officers, officers, officers. It's been a known thing for some time 🤷♂️ good PvP relies on your crews.
abstract gate
Players who haven't unlocked the right officers will still struggle but that's why you get 1pt for losing...if you seriously can't win a single fight then put vemet in the captain's seat and get 2pts per run
flint verge
robust vapor
I hope that you're not using that ship for this PvP event 😅
dapper drum
well looks like its a bortas
robust vapor
that's what I do Dyspeptic, PvP isn't my thing so just sending in fodder and Vemet 😆
dapper drum
with those crews doubt he has a legionary that high up
median roost
I got 45 with a record of 14-5. All fives losses came from 35-40 jellies swooping in post making 1-3 kills. No chance to win in weakened Tally without maxes officers. It would be nice if the third ship was of the same class and available. I’d like to have a jelly just for the ship collection.
flint verge
I THINK I HAVEN’T ENOUGH LEVEL FOR YOU
robust vapor
@flint verge I don't know what you mean.. but if you're doing the PvP event you need to use one of the three ships listed in the event only or points won't count. If you're doing something else, then carry on 😆
shrewd totem
Also turn off that caps lock
People who says Jelly is op has no idea about crews or they are simply trolling.
If they want to learn they can ask,but saying Jelly is op/impossible to kill etc even after giving proof is stupidity
amber talon
It really doesn’t make sense to require the jelly and then not make it available for people to build.
If you guys truly think the jelly isn’t that much more of an advantage then why even have it part of the event? Replace it with the Turas and make it more fair all around.
dapper drum
because people spent money on the jelly back in the days and scopely wants them to feel like it wasn't a pure waste
and if you are in a phindra the jelly can't catch you anyways
hunt down tallas
amber talon
People buy packs of just rss to build ships that they end up scrapping.
shrewd totem
You cant scrap a Jelly
amber talon
I have strong doubts that scopely cares about how people feel about wasting money.
No, my point was that people spend money on packs that don’t last forever. So the idea that spending money on a Jelly is the reason doesn’t hold up. You can also scrap a North Star and they charge for those too.
drowsy viper
@olive rover why Charvanek? Talla has shield piercing and not armor piercing
olive rover
For other Tallas
shrewd totem
But you get benefits of having a NS at that lvls
When people bought Jelly or tried hard to earn it for free,there was very little use
scenic pawn
Two of the system's it's telling me to do the PVP event in don't exist on my map
amber talon
Then introduce a scrapping reward for the jelly that would seem comparable to what players spent getting them.
shrewd totem
And you think people will scrap a ship they cant get back again?
amber talon
If they’ll never use it, absolutely
shrewd totem
No they wont....
amber talon
If the argument is that they spent money on something they never use, I 100% believe people would scrap a worthless ship for rewards they can use on better ships.
If the jelly wasn’t used in this pvp event then people wouldn’t use them, like they didn’t for months and months until the event was introduced.
shrewd totem
Having Jelly in this event gives you very little benefit anyway. If you know what to do,you can kill those even with a Phindra
amber talon
This just sounds like Scopely trying to justify an unfair advantage.
drowsy viper
@olive rover another talla without anti-jelly crew should beat you anyway
olive rover
Nope
olive rover
I'll mitigate most of their shots
amber talon
If you have the 3 ships sitting side-by-side without any officer or research advantages, the jelly comes out on top. Yes or no?
olive rover
While most of my shots are killing them
shrewd totem
You cant fight without crews
amber talon
If the crews were the same levels and there weren’t advantages of having research or officer promotions, the jelly has the advantage.
drowsy viper
@olive rover just because of Charvanek?
olive rover
Yes
shrewd totem
Crews is part of this game,research is as well and ships too. You cant just ignore one of them during PvP. All of them matters and when combined correctly can achieve impossible
olive rover
Legit other Tallas will have little to no mitigation
While I'll still mitigate most of their damage
drowsy viper
It’s strange, because a 100% increase of a low stat doesn’t seem that good
olive rover
Unless they mirror me with Kirk/Spock/Char build they can't beat me
wispy fossil
Is it possible to get 50 bps for vidar with only upgrades from ops 25 in the event?
olive rover
My Char is 800%
olive rover
shrewd totem
Even 100% Char would help
amber talon
The argument still stands. It’s an unfair advantage given to players who invested in an early ship that became unavailable once you leveled up. If it truly is about trying to make players feel as though their money wasn’t wasted, just put a $20 pack in the shop and let people pay for one if they want. It’s an easy resolution. Not allowing that but still having the ship be part of the event makes no sense. There’s no point in arguing this unless you work for Scopely and have influence in making these changes.
shrewd totem
Oh you know what! Let's remove officers from the game! Because some people has higher rank ones and it creates unfair advantage
Lets remove research and buildings as well
amber talon
You’re trolling and I’m genuinely showing interest in something being changed. So just drop it. You can win this argument if you want. Lol
drowsy viper
@amber talon I’d like to see Jelly available through a pack, but in this game you can’t throw money to everything to get what you want. Almost everything, but not everything
Some things require planning and timing
amber talon
Then write in a storyline to allow the jelly to be acquired through a mini event chain.
drowsy viper
Such as Vi’Dar and Stella being available through battle packs.
shrewd totem
I am trying to show you that most of the stuff in the game creates unfair advantage anyway. Why just remove Jelly and keep rest?
Let's remove all the unfair advantages!
drowsy viper
@amber talon you missed my point. Some content is EXCLUSIVE
scenic cloud
If only I had known at the time. Shoulda coulda bought that first $5 jelly.
amber talon
The jelly being more powerful isn’t what’s unfair... it’s players not having access to it. People have access to upgrade their research and officers if they choose.
shrewd totem
No they dont
drowsy viper
The exclusivity comes from timing (burst event of 3h?), money (prime), strategy and planning (events available at certain levels)
shrewd totem
Can you max your officers without getting badges?
drowsy viper
You don’t like exclusivity? STFC is full of that
shrewd totem
Can you max your research without paying?
drowsy viper
Can you get a Vi’Dar today without a specific event or battle pass?
It’s a ship too
amber talon
Give another example of an “exclusive” ship that players don’t have access to unless they invested in one when they were small and had little knowledge of how the game worked later on.
drowsy viper
Imagine you’ve lived under a rock the past 6 months. Can you get a Vi’Dar ?
dapper drum
separatist D3
amber talon
Or an example of a ship that suddenly became part of an event after months and months of being worthless.
shrewd totem
🤣
drowsy viper
@amber talon you know what was the forte of Jelly? The only reason why people bought it at lvl 14? To win PvP
amber talon
You can buy the bb every week....
shrewd totem
Or an example of a ship that suddenly became part of an event after months and months of being worthless.
@amber talon BB is an example of this....
drowsy viper
Yes, it also helped during farming, but the main strength of Jelly was PvP. To be able to kill everyone without effort
dapper drum
you could buy the jelly every month back at level 16
amber talon
The bb wasn’t worthless. It was always used for mining data, no?
dapper drum
yeah but served no event purpose
shrewd totem
Mining data is worthless when you have millions
dapper drum
was no data mining LB's
drowsy viper
They just made that people who bought jelly before to win PvP, can still use it to win PvP today
You’re seeing what happened at lvl 12-16 twice now 😂
shrewd totem
Noooo they must change the event! Because I dont own a Jelly and this is unfair! I dont want to die!😭
drowsy viper
@scenic cloud you need to be a bit high because most officers are not easily obtainable or upgraded
shrewd totem
Not that high
amber talon
I give up. My opinion hasn’t changed but y’all are working hard to brush this under the rug. And being rude about it too. So waste of time.
drowsy viper
A bit
drowsy viper
Gonna try in few hours and I’ll tell you
I’m maxing the XP first
It’s level 20 haha
shrewd totem
Use the lat!
scenic cloud
You didn't hear it from me. Mudd, vemet nero. Wont say what order lol
drowsy viper
Gotta bring talla to 35 in one day 😱😱
drowsy viper
You didn't hear it from me. Mudd, vemet nero. Wont say what order lol
@scenic cloud are you trolling like prince?
shrewd totem
Oh btw you want more exclusive content that is unfair? Borg Jaylah,Mudd,Zhou,Harisson I can go on like this.....
scenic cloud
Lol. I'll go away now
drowsy viper
Anyone has Jaylah?
shrewd totem
I have👀
drowsy viper
I’m just joking, Nero+Vemet seems a good choice instead of Yuki
@shrewd totem what’s her abilities?
shrewd totem
Ah normal Jaylah? I thought you meant Borg one😅
drowsy viper
🤷🏼♂️
shrewd totem
But there is 1 or 2 that has Normal Jaylah in S190,abilities is still ???? though
drowsy viper
I wish I could use 5/10 for farming eclipse lol
drowsy viper
A +20% increase in loot seems too low
Good choice
I told my alliance to get her during Borg event but nobody listened to me :/
shrewd totem
I wish I could get more shards. Would love to max her
drowsy viper
I don’t see her being used in PvP, can you tell me why?
shrewd totem
She is actually quite good in PvP. Better than a maxed Zhou if below deck stats are same
But people dont see her full potential
drowsy viper
People normally use an anti mitigation officer too in PvP
Oh I know a very good officer for Jelly’s ability
scenic cloud
Personally I don't think any of us are normal oh I did say I was going away now didn't I
shrewd totem
👀
buoyant cloud
wth did scopely remove the warp range boost to the phindra? can't travel to the pvp systems without scotty anymore
sly blaze
hallow ember
wth did scopely remove the warp range boost to the phindra? can't travel to the pvp systems without scotty anymore
@buoyant cloud I have not been able to do that for at least the last 2 PvP events
buoyant cloud
I only discovered it last pvp :[
or the one before
Gonna install the last update, maybe that re-adds warp bonus
hope i can still login
No warpbonus
shrewd totem
Wtf is warp bonus?
barren night
Never had one.
shrewd totem
These guys must be dreaming
drowsy viper
Mirek and Krell depend on defense. If I already got the % maxed (+240%), the extra defense gets counted ?
shrewd totem
Yes
drowsy viper
Niiice
They’ll be low tier, but at least I got my morale crew high enough to give nice defense
buoyant cloud
@shrewd totem some dude's base was in neutral space and his phindra was in pvp system without scotty, i then tested it and it worked for me too from within faction space
only to the pvpp systems
now it doesnt work
they broke it likely in their latest greatest failure series update
shrewd totem
You know level of fac system matters as well right?
barren night
Depends on how far into space you go
buoyant cloud
hmm
shrewd totem
Because in where I live I only need w19 to PvP systems
shrewd totem
Where do you live?
buoyant cloud
i'll downgrade a system and see if that works aftwe the next wave of jellies ruins my ships
uikuv right now
gonna try woxo
shrewd totem
If there was a warp bonus before and got removed,EVERYONE would complain right now. Not just 2 random person
buoyant cloud
I only found out last time
the other dude on my server had no idea why it worked either
216% is that an error?
@hallow ember okay i moved to neutral space (eg eisenhorn) and it requires warp 16 now, no scotty necessary 👍 @barren night @shrewd totem
hallow ember
to be clear, I'm not complaining, but I did see that behavior before where without moving, one time I could get there (way back in the first one of these I did) and then I could not. Since I'm just gonna end up getting killed by some guys paid jellyfish, it really doesnt matter if I stick in scotty to get the range or not
barren night
Should top out at 250 I think.
buoyant cloud
Nice I did 2 rounds and am finished, got 3 Jellies, pay-to-lose works for me 😎
untold orbit
How about putting the Jelly for sale again? Pretty please =)
eager hill
@buoyant cloud nope. 216% is 90% of 240. you need 1200 stat for 240%(max for 2* common ship)
buoyant cloud
Oh makes sense, thanks
hollow fossil
@narrow jackal that was a specific prime
not just any prime
did you finish reseaches before the event started?
narrow jackal
The event did not specify @hollow fossil
hollow fossil
yes it did
narrow jackal
Said augment primes
narrow jackal
So these aren’t Augment primes? It’s in the tech tree
hollow fossil
no, its looking for 1 specificly
narrow jackal
Otherwise it would not be in the tech tree
narrow jackal
Got it! Thank you
hollow fossil
ok, np
harsh snow
@twilit imp So...by my count I should have 56 points in the research elite event right now, but I only have 47. This is due to me starting the research before the events started. Did we determine that this was ALSO be fixed, not just the single event reward??
hollow fossil
harsh snow
@hollow fossil Thanks! I completely missed that announcement! :)
elder shadow
@twilit imp , has scopely considered making the original Jellyfish available to players higher then lvl20 through the store or an event? These pvp events are very unfair right now, as a maxed Talla is no competition for a maxed jelly.
I'm 1 BP away from the jelly and have been for a very long time, because I levelled fast and didn't realise it only came from purchase or events.
hollow fossil
Most don't know that the jelly counts as a Fed ship.
I can kill some Jellys, but that assumes i get to pick my target
weak gust
@shrewd totem What is the optimal Talla Crew against a Max out Jelly?
elder shadow
@shrewd totem, come on, enlighten us. How does a 74k Talla beat a 120k jelly
robust vapor
Easily with the right crews, if you scroll up to the screenshots last night 🤷♂️ like 15 times over easily..
elder shadow
How well are you learning from Rasta @shrewd totem ?
shrewd totem
You mean killing his ships?it has been fun but not sure what it has to do with Jellies vs Talla
elder shadow
Sure, you know red symbolises loss right?
Ok, so even if there are crews that can beat the jelly in a talla, it still drives me nuts that it's the only ship I couldn't get. Like the first borg lat system that I'll never get to.
karmic valve
Can you get to the 70 pts needed in the research event at ops 27?
south orbit
looks like 131 up to and including the stella. not counting apex or prime
hows your supply of mats and speedups?
karmic valve
Taxed. By I’m at 36 and worried that higher lvls are gated at ops 28+.
royal horizon
merry fulcrum
Lol, I'm not doing the elite due to the amount of uc it's costing me hate it
dapper drum
but domitia gives +1000% warp with morale
robust vapor
But.. why do you have Spock on an enterprise when its shield regen ability is dwarfed by the enterprise ability? 🤔 And I'm hoping that you're not running full stats there @cold snow 😋
merry fulcrum
Looks like batsie was running a miner sweeping crew
I'll make sure to bring it up next time he pulls out a crew argument, lol
robust vapor
Eh, if we used the as a way to judge whether people should give advice, none of us should be be giving advice to anyone 😂
hollow fossil
He is right in that what he says CAN be done. But will it work for everyone, most of the time no. He cant know what I or anyone else has and what level, cause that changes sooo much
and the factor of reseach done as well
robust vapor
There are still better and worse combinations. Sure, sometimes you can't do anything better because you just have none of the officers yet.. but generally when people need crew advice they do have the officers, they just don't know what combinations work better in what scenarios. See it all the time. And many people, even the experts, are unaware of some of the actual mechanics which can lead to picking crews that don't work because they just don't realise what's going on 🤷♂️
Sharing and discussing is how we grow as a community.
hollow fossil
yup, and 1% difference from his officer to mine can break the whole idea for what i need it to do
Even going back and forth in my alliance, we have found its Level of Officer and which Combat Researches each of us has done, i can run some setups that a player ops level above me doesn't dare.
cause i have some reseaches that pushes my bonus up enough to tip the battle
robust vapor
Obviously better officers and research will perform better, which is why they say that it's more about your officers.. and generally if you actually talk to Batman and the others that are giving crew advice, which even at lower levels can perform better than some crews that are being used, they'll generally work with you on what officers and ranks you have to find the best setup for what you have.
Alternatively no one should ask questions or complain about things, just figure it out in your own 😂
hollow fossil
i agree, the part that grates is, its X Y Z officer and you can go and do what I say. and the probability is they have tried that and it doesn't work for them
like what batman was telling me, both those officers are L5, only got the second one 2 days ago,
so are those going to work against a fully leveld jelly and kill 5 of them? Nope
I used them, and they did help, got me the ability to chunk their health, but thats all
so for me that suggestion ammounted to send your ships to die 45 times
robust vapor
Except the crux of that conversation last night was that it's a way overpowered ship. And just ignoring anything about officers 🤷♂️
And of course, what officers are they using on the jelly? 🤷♂️
hollow fossil
all true, but how do i chose which one? These pvp event boil down to 10 ships rushing you the second after you enter system
carmine lily
so what's the deal with these eclipse armadas? we can get uncommon directives but literally all of the armadas are listed as rare.
robust vapor
And that's a valid tactic in itself. I don't have good PvP crews, not my focus in game so not something I play with much. I killed a few ships, sent a Livis crew in a bunch of times for the rest. And I'm sending in ships long after finishing it just in case someone wants some easy kills (because there are people who do that for you guys).
hollow fossil
Yes, ive done that as well, it all helps. But the problems with the ship and the event remain
robust vapor
Choosing is easy, avoid the explorers 😂 but it's a time of day thing too. There are times where it's madness running around, times when it's dead quiet..
hollow fossil
Like I was trying to put in, changing the points to 2 for a loss would help with the people not having to be so upset with the situation. The other ideas i have would require a proper duling system
carmine lily
just throw in a phindra with vemet mierk krell. you might get a kill or two, but you get at least 2 points for dying twice and repairs are super cheap so its easy.
hollow fossil
@carmine lily the rare armadas is something that has been noted multiple times
and if vemet works for you each time
carmine lily
@hollow fossil ok. i haven't been on this discord for a couple days. i try to avoid all the new release poop slinging
hollow fossil
lol, it calmed down after panic cleared thing up
robust vapor
Yeah, Vemet 🤔 that one. 2 points each loss, done. 😋
Yuki is the problem there though, she's gotten pretty popular but stops his ability from triggering 🙄
carmine lily
no she doesn't, worked fine for me against many yukis
hollow fossil
think that was the problem for me then, he only worked 1 time
out of about 10 deaths
carmine lily
you have to survive at least 2 rounds, that's the issue. if superbig players wipe you out in the first round of combat, yeah he wont work.
robust vapor
Only time I've seen him fail was when Yuki stripped the shields down 🤷♂️
hollow fossil
ahh, yea, don't think i managed that very often
dapper drum
you just need to survive first shot
its yuki the problem
once shield is depleted message appears you are good to die
hollow fossil
don't have the logs to check, just know he only poped 1 time out of the many deaths
carmine lily
there's a little bit of strategy involved. don't blindly warp into a system...ever. pick a side and stay away from where the big players are fighting.
carmine lily
best thing to do is find a friend to swap hits with you. if you do it right you can both get 3 or more points per run.
hollow fossil
that didn't help, all the big guns were parked all along the entry vectors
dapper drum
I just pop my jelly into the middle of the system and the vemets swarm my ship
carmine lily
I got 7 points against a friend today going phindra to phindra cuz we both put on morale crews and went 50 rounds 6 times.
hollow fossil
now that IS efficency
dapper drum
I had to go 30 points over because they wouldn't stop coming and I felt bad for them 🤣
carmine lily
@hollow fossil there are 3 systems, pick a different one, get creative warping, you can warp into the far sides of a system.
hollow fossil
you enter on the half that connects, ive never got in from the wrong side, and all 3 systems were loaded with the Piranha's
part of the problem is the other players just killing everything that moves
carmine lily
it might also pay to wait an hour or two as well. the systems get swamped with players early on but qickly empty as most people complete the event
dapper drum
you can enter close to 195 to 200 degree radius
hollow fossil
this was 4 hours later, lol
carmine lily
hours 3-4 have less than 30% of the players in the first 2 hours and most of the bigs are gone by then.
dapper drum
with having a 1 or 2 second impulse involved
abstract gate
Why doesn't everyone use both of their jellys? 🙃
hollow fossil
ok, never have used a impluse boost offcer
carmine lily
or if they really bother you, you can be the guy that brings a saladin to a jelly fight and wipe them all out so that your phindra can enter. maybe they'll learn a valuable lesson about being greedy.
hollow fossil
@abstract gate why do you think 20+ want to BUY one?
@carmine lily Yea, seen that happen. Part of my problem is part our 1 no rules pirate alliance.
abstract gate
I'm dicking with you lol, our server is pre release and we had a major issue with a server migration, as compensation most got jellys...I got 2
carmine lily
several people did that the first time the event was run because all the whales were killing everything. 3 of us brought in saladins and they all thought they were phindras at max zoom out. smashed a bunch of their ships before checking combat logs. system was free for phindras for about 5 minutes.
carmine lily
i've left so many landmines for system sweepers.
hollow fossil
yea, so when they see a PVP event, they see it as " OHHHH, i get to pad my statistics"
carmine lily
yeah, i like to ruin their day, that event is fantastic for busting up their fun cuz they rarely ever actually look at the ships.
system sweepers tend to have a common tactic, ships crewed for speed rather than strength. throw a proper pvp crew on and hide it under the text of a planet or armada.
hollow fossil
hey my one idea that i know people would HATE is, once you have the points for the event, you cant initiate an attack in those 3 systems. You can only be the target
carmine lily
that doesn't help much, they tend to have superpowered maxed out crews. the only benefit would be people being smart enough not to attack higher leveled players.
hollow fossil
exactly