I just need to know if it’ll be a research event or not
#🏆-event-chat
drowsy viper
merry fulcrum
Burst research event starting soon
drowsy viper
@merry fulcrum stop using internet explorer haha
merry fulcrum
????
dark estuary
What compensation will Scopley be delivering to those that couldn't access their accounts for over 27 hours now.
dark estuary
4 hour shield
cause maintnenace only should take an hour
not 27 hours and counting
round spear
I‘m ops44 too. New todays gameupdate done, 5 restarts, no solo event
@abstract gate
same here Ops 42, no Rogue Burst
installed patch
restarted phone and app several times
with all the money I gave them
they even deny me the chance to compete for rewards
tragic marketing
mortal geode
Ops 40 no burst event
abstract gate
They should give us the top rewards and good is😡
simple spear
Doesn't it not start for another 10 minutes?
broken steppe
50 minutes ago
shrewd totem
Depends on where you are
simple spear
Oh
mortal geode
Lower levels have started it
shrewd totem
Each region has its own calendar
compact citrus
scopely can't read a clock @shrewd totem
shrewd totem
Already reported lvl40+ thing
mortal geode
So does that mean no burst for 40+
compact citrus
was supposed to start on our server in 9 minutes but it's already running
shrewd totem
I am hoping that is a bug @mortal geode
dark estuary
not a bug, unexpected feature
shrewd totem
😑
simple spear
Batman do you know the answer to my question in players helping players?
shrewd totem
I havent looked at the research that much sadly no
Maybe you can find info in Lcars? I think they should have research info
tidal bison
I know that we often moan about the game, but wanted to spread some positivity and say that this latest mission chain is decent. Good story and good length to it too. And also the new arrows to switch to other close targets is a great addition too 👍
shrewd totem
Thanks🖖
white scroll
There was mention that any research on the new tree conducted while waiting for the event would be taken into account for the new events. Is there a time frame for this?
wicked stratus
So any one knows about a minimum lvl for the 3 hour rush event ?
long eagle
When the compensation goin to take place for research points?
broken steppe
@long eagle Its a good question since i know some have had it.... i haven't....
long eagle
Same here... my alliance fellow member got it yesterday... here is still nothing
low berry
No Burst event ??
onyx topaz
What do think are best research power items for the 3 hour event?
low berry
Another Failure
round spear
So any one knows about a minimum lvl for the 3 hour rush event ?
@wicked stratus
stiff pendant
I think for the burst solos is needed 27+ lvl to play
round spear
shrewd totem
@broken steppe @long eagle research compensation chests havent been given term they gave a chest for downtime and other issues yesterday
broken steppe
Yea i got that chest, and our alliance leader also, he then got another chest he said for the research this morning.....
¯_(ツ)_/¯
round spear
they don't say 27-39
they say 27+
POLL
- incompetence
- Fraud
I vote both
dense lantern
Anyone done an exchange armada?
long eagle
No... we talking here about missions points that Panic did announce will be compensated and added to the event count in certain amount of time.
echo parrot
where is my burst event, im ops 40
dark estuary
where is my account
long eagle
Like I said couple of alliance members got those... I got only stupid chest with useless stuff in it
dapper drum
out of your reach @dark estuary
echo parrot
@shrewd totem any idea why ops 40 and above dont have the burst event mate?
dapper drum
maybe this is a sign from a higher calling or power
long eagle
That is much less worth then missing points in event
dark estuary
going out of business sign
dense lantern
Anyone done an exchange armada?
low berry
Not said that 40+ will not@get burst
leaden cipher
Still no burst event
patent pulsar
Can someone post the full event calendar for me? All I can seem to get is the burst calendar.
leaden cipher
A compensation chest with the rewards would be appropriate reaction
shrewd totem
@echo parrot already reported it
dense lantern
echo parrot
ah so it is known @shrewd totem thank you
formal elk
I am Ops 41. No burst event for Ops40+? Typical scopely pandering to the lower levels again while we whales get shafted. I demand compensation! Give me 1 trillion steel so I can upgrade a building! 😄
patent pulsar
Thank you @dense lantern
broken steppe
@echo parrot already reported it
@shrewd totem nice one 🖖
echo parrot
any response so far batman?
south arrow
What a joke I guess all the players 40 plus didn’t spend enough money 🤣
wicked stratus
@formal elk those events are 27+ scorply doesny give a damb about mid 20's or lower
formal elk
Neither do I. Give me my steel! 🤣
south arrow
I think we could get two buildings done 🤣
formal elk
I like your thinking! Dream it, do it!
foggy hatch
This is a bit silly. Are the level 40+ people going to get full three hour window when it is actually available? Will it be actually available? If not available, and assuming the Apex Research Medals are part of rewards, how does someone at 40+ get them?
south arrow
I wonder what scopleys response will be sorry you spent way to much money and your to high of a level
leaden cipher
When it’s on purpose to limit the event to lvl<=39 why is the event announced for me as 41 then? @twilit imp @gaunt yacht
But not visible as announced
wind ice
@twilit imp I know you are getting pinged like crazy, but as you see we are an upset user community. I realize Scopely doesn't work like this but some communication would be nice. What exactly are they planning to do with the research issue? Are they given a compensation chest or actually crediting progress in the event? I don't want to blast through a bunch more research only to find I will actually be given credit later and wind-up getting screwed over twice. It's nearly 24hrs on, why is clarity so hard to get???
dark estuary
Scopley automated Response: We are currently not giving a F with all our support Reps.
wind ice
I put in a support ticket and basically was told the compensation was already given (for the server issue). They can't even stay on message. It's cartoonish...
formal elk
A team mate has just shown me the rewards in the burst event. Scopely can take as much time as they like fixing it for Ops40+. I just lost interest
broken steppe
Yes but the rewards vary significantly by level
wooden oasis
@broken steppe @long eagle research compensation chests havent been given term they gave a chest for downtime and other issues yesterday
@shrewd totem So when can we expect these compensation chests than? I cannot enter current events (like the burst event) anymore because all research is already done. How is this going to be compensated for missing out on burst and 7 day events?
formal elk
They'd need to vary staggeringly by level to be worth getting excited about @broken steppe
wind ice
They're crap on a relative basis across the board. Not worth the effort
formal elk
Agreed. The mission rewards are better 😄
formal elk
I'm filing that for future use in a variety of contexts...
broken steppe
😄
wind ice
@formal elk the gift that keeps on giving!
wooden oasis
I dont know how
@shrewd totem I hope its not only for the solo milestone but also the events we are missing right now like the 7 day research event and all following research events?
shrewd totem
🤷♂️
abstract gate
@twilit imp no rush to ops level 20 or rush to ops level 23 events for me. After massive issues getting back on the game (and being raided)
inland narwhal
It would make sense for the events and what's in the release to be announced at least 24hrs prior to the actual update. Or update and make everything available a day later to make sure the game doesn't crash. I'm sure we could all wait one day if it meant fewer (there will still be some) issues
tidal bison
Eurydice is my base 🤣
foggy hatch
From a mid 30s level player in my alliance. 1st place for solo burst. I would take those at 40+ I would like to get closer to eventually promoting Khan.
brazen sentinel
Is there someone here who switched from OPS 26 to 27 during the current event? My question is whether the event to win the Vi'dar parts will then disappear?
pastel yew
It disappeared for me
It was the only upgrade I could do, and wasn't aware there was a level restriction
I'm rather annoyed, since I still have no Vi'Dar
Why would that have an upper limit... it makes no sense
peak cave
It should have not disappeared
tight orbit
Hello, is it as intended that lvl 41 player doesnt see rnd rush event?
tight orbit
Ok
brazen sentinel
@pastel yew many thanks for your response. I also don't have a Vi'dar. That's really stupid 🙄
pastel yew
I put in a ticket and they closed it with a canned response saying that I shouldn't expect my events to look like everyone else's
I'm afraid to upgrade anything
steel fulcrum
Thanks Guys I thought it was just me, I was thoroughly pissed trying to fly 25 jumps
round spear
Restarted,and I finally see it
lasting 2h 37m, ending thus on 20:44
??? 🤪
reef stratus
Does anybody know when the “Race to ops 20” event would start ?
earnest citrus
@reef stratus In-game news says at level 4..
reef stratus
@earnest citrus yeah but I am 14 , was waiting to align my level ups with the event but don’t see it. On the bulletin it says it is supposed to start on the 7th and continue till the 14th
earnest citrus
Indeed it does. Is it possible it's been delayed a day due to the late start of the event?
reef stratus
Gotcha . Just antsy to level up 🙂
floral trail
Just done the unlock Stella research, was I not supposed to get the Stella prints or are they obtained by other means? if so how?
floral trail
OK, so why did I need to do the research then?
Bloody confusing release as always scopely
earnest citrus
You always need to do research to unlock a ship, whether you have the bps or not
It's no different from any faction ship
floral trail
Not really, my Bortas and Salladin only needed Grade 3 research, where as specific ships like the Horizon and Kumari are given BPs upon researching them
dense lantern
Soooo.... this 'new' event is basically just borgmadas
steep marten
you needed to do the research for the extra attack bonus
dense lantern
And even that was just mainly repeating existing events. Are we ever gonna actually get anything new?
thin bloom
Why is there such a huge difference in rewards between the Race to ops 20 and Race to armadas event? I can see both at level 20 and tbh it's totally not worth the time, effort and resources to race to ops 23.
deep hare
@thin bloom can you see the Race to 20/23 ops events? I cannot see them and I am ops 20
thin bloom
Yeah can see both of them. Maybe restart the game?
deep hare
I will try again
carmine lily
These burst events are so stupid. There’s no way to know what power you will get from a research. 5 days, 1000 points, 13 hours, 1000 points. I bet the primes are worth 200000 each though. Yet another massive fail.
torpid shuttle
Hi I'm level 20 ops and just go the race to operations 20 event - if I go to level 21 will I complete this event or its it not going to work
carmine lily
Nope. If ur already 20 you get nothing
deep hare
I have both now. Rewards for race to 23 seem poor. Oh well.
white lotus
How do I start the first mission chain? Do I need those thingamajigs from the battle pass?
tall bluff
Recieved a notification to log infor an appreciation chest yet when I log in there is nothing.....
thin bloom
Nope. If ur already 20 you get nothing
@carmine lily
I wonder why lvl 20 gets the race to ops 20 in the first place. Now I'm only gonna get envious of all the lower levels out there :)
keen ledge
It was an old notification.
shrewd totem
@torpid shuttle upgrade any building in your base to lvl20. Used to work in the past,I think it still works
torpid shuttle
ah thanks The Batman will try that, maybe thats why I got it some are only 19 as only just upgraded to ops 20
abstract gate
What’s the difference in rewards?
thin bloom
😮 that worked
shrewd totem
Yay!
thin bloom
I take back what I said, it makes perfect sense to show the race to ops 20 event :p
abstract gate
What did you get in the race to ops 20 event?
torpid shuttle
yes worked for me too ! thank you Thebatman
thin bloom
What did you get in the race to ops 20 event?
@abstract gate upgrade dil generator from 19 to 20. That competed the entire milestone
abstract gate
I literally upgraded to ops 21 earlier today to try and make the race to ops 23 trigger!
Really annoyed
What did you get?
thin bloom
Oh sorry, misread, metric tonne of resources and 15 epic Kirk shards
abstract gate
G3 materials?
thin bloom
10uc and 30c
abstract gate
You’re not helping lol
thin bloom
Lol, 10 uncommon g3 gas, crystal and ore and 30 common g3 crystal, gas and ore. Unless you meant you're ever more bummed out now, in that case, sorry ;)
pastel yew
Why on earth is "A Different Breed" capped to Ops 26?
tall bluff
Thanks.
tawny hinge
@pastel yew yes thats the same problem i have. Lvl 26 it says upgrade your ops... i did... now event disapeared and i am angry
pastel yew
I even sent in a ticket and they gave me a canned response and closed the ticket
@tawny hinge Maybe if everyone who gets bits by this complains... they'll do something about it?
I'd be fine with a harder event for higher levels... anything, really... I just want the Vi'Dar
tawny hinge
I dont think that anything will happen they just keep doing their thing
late blaze
So my understanding is that I cannot participate in this event as a level 23 unless I rush to 25?
tawny hinge
@late blaze Why you think that, you havevto spend 3* Common or Uncommon Resources on your Station thats all.
late blaze
@tawny hinge there's nothing in my station that requires 3* except Ops
glossy vault
@twilit imp
When is this actually happening? It shouldn't be difficult for scope to just give us our points..
shrewd totem
Then upgrade your ops?
shrewd totem
Ouch
late blaze
Yeah
shrewd totem
There will be another ops event after this so maybe skip this and start to plan your next steps?
late blaze
I'm sure there will be other ways to get vidar BPs but it would be nice to have the BPs waiting
shrewd totem
We also have an event store coming sometime in the future
tired willow
excellent outcast what is it? can I get more details?
teal jackal
winter pagoda
Anyone have a resource for station upgrade costs? Can’t find anything passed lvl 15
Specially lvl 25-26
placid mortar
kai5160 you should be using lcars for that
smoky cosmos
Have everyone get 1 alpha for free
dense prairie
So why is Vidar only available for Players at level 25/26?
smoky cosmos
There are 2 research options where u need 1 alpha token so u must choose wisely or is the other coming later in the game for free?
dense prairie
During Borg event my station level was too low, now, my station level is to high? Why do we have to thread a needle head to get ships?
shrewd totem
@smoky cosmos I think you will be able to earn more from upcoming events
smoky cosmos
Oke then I must for now the best one
untold shuttle
Own that the event is over I still have no clue what I was supposed to do to rank. Its been in Retrieving... state since the beginning. Anybody can tell me what this was about? Scopely you ever heard about QA?
shrewd totem
@untold shuttle research event. You needed to increase your power by doing research
unique quiver
I have teammates who completed research before event because Scopely couldn’t get it right. Do they not get credit for points toward the team event ?
elder gyro
Still havent got credit for that before the event
shrewd totem
novel hollow
I feel like Bats needs a good base to raid.
dapper drum
or a new mobile because his lost a wheel?
shrewd totem
capital M
@dapper drum my name has been like this since I created a discord account
Weird you are just realizing
dapper drum
lol no read that wrong
shrewd totem
👀
dapper drum
that was a response to the compensation for doing techs before event is live
shrewd totem
Ah
dapper drum
just a few days away from putting the enterprise into the shipyard and start laying down the papermachete from inside out it will be beautiful 😁
just waiting for an event to claim it though will be heart wrecking 😭
flint kettle
The research compensation how is it counted? I did 11 before the event. They are not counted in my current amount of research done.
inland hamlet
A different breed for me yesterday started after I started ops 24, at that time 2 lvls were 1010, and 4350. Finished ops 24 today, different breed now reads 3450 and 8350 and only 25 bp vidar in each, yet others reporting there's have 50bp for each milestone.
Also at ops 24, all buildings points come in as common and around 1200 max points.
Totally impossible.
wind ice
Closing in on 24hrs since we were told we would be compensated, still without any understanding of when, or how, that will occur. Great job Scopely!! @shrewd totem apparently "thoon" means in a few days?
hollow fossil
if i heard the podcast correctly you get the milesstones AFTER the event conculdes
as a chest
for those who jump the research event
south orbit
podcast?
hollow fossil
dj's
south orbit
?
drowsy viper
A drop in the bucket, but warp times to the new Exchange system is crazy long even with research “Lightweight engines” 4/5. 14 min and half!!!
buoyant cloud
@drowsy viper I relocated to it, no problem 🙂
shrewd totem
Yeah relocating is super
drowsy viper
@buoyant cloud sure, add lat mines in purple space and I’ll relocate there 😂
shrewd totem
Who mines lat?!
buoyant cloud
me starting soon
shrewd totem
(I do)
buoyant cloud
tired of searching every lat system
shrewd totem
😂
buoyant cloud
i stole like 350k of lat 2 weeks ago and barely didn't win the dumb event
drowsy viper
Man, I did ...59 outlaws research + several non outlaw, I need to recover some latinium haha
drowsy viper
I burnt the lat I had saved for Sally
shrewd totem
Good choice
drowsy viper
Will we be able to use Stella on big eclipse armadas, or that’s for non-Stella ship? I saw 15M rare armadas
safe orbit
@hollow fossil did panic or DJ bring up the impossible Vidar event in the podcast at all. Unfortunately IRL meant I missed a lot of it. Just wondering if I should give up now
hollow fossil
no, i also posted that in chat, but it never got discussed
safe orbit
Thanks, I guess they only care about the new stuff for the 27+ and not the newer or slower players.
hollow fossil
its going to be a real sore point if its not addressed. they didn't factor in the build times.
not to mentin the incredibly dumb cap at 26
safe orbit
I can understand they want you to use some lat or some speed ups, but at least make it possible
hollow fossil
yea, im only trying to get the first milestone this round, but its still super hard to impossible
inland hamlet
And mine changed after upped ops and others reported same, yet if you factor in points for each ops lvl targets are double or triple available
hollow fossil
yup, thats the problem
more point needed than possible in 7 days
i need 10.96k points to get the full set
i have 975
inland hamlet
Am just doing what I planned anyway.. Didn't expect vidar anyway and 25 bp for each impossible milestone it's just asking whales to push from 23 to 27 then when you hit 27 it disappears and research one doesn't show either
inland hamlet
Was ops 23 with ops 24 half way through so was 25 per milestone but milestones were impossible b4 then they changed at ops 24 even higher. Couldn't reach the lower targets let alone higher.
hollow fossil
or the points need buffing
safe orbit
Right now, I would just like Scopely to acknowledge that we are complaining about this like they acknowledged and rewarded all the guys who decided to complete all the research before the event was live
inland hamlet
Yes first mission chain gave 248hrs speedups but still barely touched am sat at 950 points... And have possible 2k more possible with lower milestone now 3450 and if went another ops lvl targets would change again
If they started on time not 6hours late probably would of made lower milestone b4 event reset itsrlf
But hey 15 plus 25bp still doesn't get me a vidar, when there's people still can't even get their accounts back or their ships unstuck.
So pointless putting ticket in as haven't the ss for lower milestones as event milestones have never changed during an event b4
hollow fossil
yup, those i feel for. This can be fixed now and for the second time it runs, as per the ingame faq
safe orbit
I feel for the people who are locked out, and I’m sure they will be compensated. But this was the only part of the event we had access to so it should be fixed for us
hollow fossil
we know the can filter events based on critera, so just make it if you dont have 100 bp's no matter the level you get a doable event
inland hamlet
Now in theory if points were multiples of 10 for common and 50 for unc. Would've been possible and I'd be done. But with points available per building and time to build.. With 1 and 5 points it's impossible
hollow fossil
yes, i made the same concultion
inland hamlet
I've used about 600hrs speedups and all I have is 950 points.
And another 19hrs left on a building but no mats for next
Yes this event is supposed to repeat.. But having used all speedups even if 2nd run was correct targets points. Not possible now
crisp cloud
This event is so convoluted it is incredible, worst one ever in my opinion, they keep adding this and that bs tokens, medals, components... and a ship I have absolutely no use for...
And don't get me started about the crap rewards for the "missions", my 5 y/o grand-daughter could come up with better
rewards...
Make an event where you get UC or rare RSS, or bps for the ships that we actually use... saladin, bortas, gladius, D3, D4, enterprise, augur.. hell even a horizon.. not some "new" pos ship.
hollow fossil
just sanity check the events
crisp cloud
Well yeah, but they are letting us, the player base down... and I know I can quit anytime
eager lava
not to mention that the new researches are bogus, i know my ships, crews, and commute times to specific systems, i maxed all the new researches yet there hasnt been a change in shield/hull strengths, warp times, or bb cargo bay increase ...
ashen copper
hi, i did 28 researches before the delayed event started. official announcement says that i will get an compensation. I still got nothing. when will it be? when the event is over?
eager lava
they told me the same about the researches i did before the event... the points we wouldve earned had they not soiled the bed on the release time again are sposta be added retroactively
olive wyvern
"Nice" to know that I'm not the only one still waiting. 🙂
hollow fossil
probebly be done after the event and then the payouts will happen. technicly the simplest to do
distant nymph
@twilit imp Since whales on Server 16 are sitting on mission endpoints and killing players who try to do the missions, can we just get the mission rewards without wasting time rebuilding ships that wouldn't have died during the missions? If not, will we get a chance to re-do the missions so we can actually enjoy the story instead of clicking through as fast as possible?
@abstract gate You're in the alliance whose players are actively hitting those of us doing missions. Does the fact that it's been happening for 24 hours show that you as a Scopely Dev actively support their activity?
hollow fossil
@distant nymph he is not a Scopley dev
Epicteus is just a player who volunteers to moderate this discord
distant nymph
Fair enough. Same question remains, as someone who Scopely deems worthy of moderating their Discord, does the continued harassment by your alliance show or imply your support @abstract gate?
hollow fossil
That only he can anwser. But you have 18 days to do the missions minimum.
i was finishing borg arc missions well after the arc finished
robust vapor
Scopely don't care about that kind of thing, "it's a PvP game". As long as they're not breaking the ToS Scopely don't care. People have tried to get some compromise out of Scopely in the past..
distant nymph
I sure hope the official answer isn't going to be "just do the missions when the big payers get bored of being ****s".
knotty birch
No the official answer will be it’s a pvp game and they are playing within the TOS.
hollow fossil
i well understand the frustration, it is no fun.
But i have had to wait to experiance stuff as well. not just in this game as well does this happen
robust vapor
Yeah, I think they need to reduce the ability of players to disrupt gameplay somewhat, and add in more meaningful PvP mechanics.. but having raised it with Scopely in the past and watching two alliances I've been in campaign to have players banned for harrassing them similarly, I'll tell you Scopely don't care about it. And to dump it all on epic's shoulders seems unreasonable unless he's the alliance admiral, difficult to get people to play the way that you want..
hollow fossil
the "fair" system would be to block pvp in those systems for the duration of the arc. But that is frought with problems from the other side
ancient meadow
I’m also on server 16 @distant nymph I was able to finish the first two missions with nonissue. And having no issues with hostile hubt
Shrug.
hollow fossil
Hopefuly your are not KOS with their alliance also.
ancient meadow
I agree it is dirty pool to hit in mission systems. I just learned to not poke the bear, and neither does my alliance.
They don’t bug us OGO guys that often when we do mission stuff.
distant nymph
Not necessarily dumping it on Epic, his stats are ridiculous but I've never seen him act improperly. Since he has Scopely's ear and should know by now that the same players on his team are actively trying to ruin the game for others, I figured it's time to hear from him.
We're not KOS or at war with their alliance, neither are the 15 other alliances I've seen Epic's guys attack just in the last few minutes. It's just whales who have paid Scopely enough to be able to get away with acting like d***s.
hollow fossil
unfortunatly unless its an action against the TOS, they are free to do
tall fiber
indigo perch
@hollow fossil it might be against Scopley's pocketbook..A player who cant get the missions done because of this endpoint griefing will give up and will not be available to buy packs. Scopley might be interested for that reason.
hollow fossil
absolutly true, but as written in the TOS at the moment that where it stands
indigo perch
@hollow fossil i get it. I'm just saying if they perceive it as a threat to income streams. They will act quickly. My best example is returning the 10m faction lock. They did it because their income stream was severely threatened.
The whales may spend a lot fast but the steady spenders, (dolphins yall call us) keep the game going.
hollow fossil
uh huh. Too bad "common sence" isn't common among the player base
indigo perch
That's what my grandpa used to say "common sense ain't "
indigo perch
@modest oyster it's not a pvp game. 100% of the gain comes from pve
modest oyster
So what about all the RSS I got from raiding that helped me advance without having to buy RSS packs?
hollow fossil
@modest oyster those ALL come from PVE of that player
modest oyster
or the OP cargo I stole so I didn't have to mine?
hollow fossil
PVE
modest oyster
So PVE is the game you play on your own, and then the PVP elements sit ontop right?
hollow fossil
partly
indigo perch
@modest oyster I guarantee you have spent more in broken raids. Just like a gambler, you remember that one big hit while forgetting all the losses.
modest oyster
Actually, I'm 100% sure I haven't.
I'm the king of efficiency, a min maxer if you want to call it that.
But that's a different topic.
Let's go back to PVE/PVP.
indigo perch
@modest oyster I dont live in your world....enjoy your worldview... I wont get in your way...
modest oyster
So when you are trying to do a mission chain (PVE) and you get killed by another player (PVP).
How is that different from my statement below..
So PVE is the game you play on your own, and then the PVP elements sit ontop right?
@modest oyster
indigo perch
@modest oyster this is the only mud game I've played where the attack leader works differently vs npc or pvp. Is a straight up pve game with poorly implemented (incompetent even) pvp elements.
indigo perch
@modest oyster agree it has pvp elements, that does not make it a pvp game.
indigo perch
@modest oyster so what ?
modest oyster
By piloting your ship in any system you can be attacked and the ship and contents destroyed/taken.
If that isn't core tenants of PVP game....
indigo perch
Nobody farms a t8 sali for resources
modest oyster
I'd love to hear your example of a PVP game. (Not hardcore PVP, but game with PVP)
indigo perch
@modest oyster from the good convo you are engaging in. I actually believe you.
modest oyster
I've been known to say an intelligent thing every so often here and there..
Guess you got lucky 🙂
Like all things, with mission waypoint killing. Just give it a short break and come back. No one can guard a mission waypoint 24/7.
Or bring a very fast ship with crew that enhances impulse speed (Klaa or Pan and friends with full synergy)
indigo perch
@indigo perch my server doesnt do that our whales are live and let live ppl.
modest oyster
Sucks that Scopely only cares about whales right?
Like when the Whales tried to take our Khan away on Swarm Sundays!!
hollow fossil
@modest oyster There is also being reasonable as a player also. Killing every other player cause your mad or just cause you can is also short sighted
more whales were against that than for it, lol
modest oyster
@hollow fossil But there are repercussions to that right? Can't join a big fleet, can't reap the rewards of alliance events, armadas, etc...
Because it's a PVP game 🙂
hollow fossil
you forget, we are talking about missions that have NO bering on the events
indigo perch
No denying play for no gain or even loss is griefing.
modest oyster
Actually, missions are part of the events!
modest oyster
indigo perch
No standing, no gain in resource for denying others.
hollow fossil
fair point, but i don't have that event
modest oyster
If I'm fighting other players, because you know it's a PVP event.
If I slow them down from doing PVE and advancing (as you both have stated)
Isn't that gaining an advantage when I fight them?
indigo perch
Raiding and hitting opl and zero is pvp. Denying mission completion is griefing.
hollow fossil
@modest oyster For those that HAVE that event, what your saying is true.
modest oyster
That's more time, resources they need to spend to gain resources
Which is slowing their power progression and thus makes them easier to defeat no?
indigo perch
Griefing definition is an action that denies something to another player that also provided no gain or has an actual cost (loss) associated with the action.
hollow fossil
and for those of us who don't know about/have that event have a vastly different view
modest oyster
Denying players I will raid or fight, is making them weaker so when I do attack their base, or their miner or another PVP situation I increase my odds of winning.
hollow fossil
@modest oyster incorrect, your odds didn;t worsen, but they didn't improve
modest oyster
It's all relative. You have to stop looking at it from some absolute, I must gain positive elements.
indigo perch
@modest oyster it doesnt make them weaker. They either rage upgrade or quit, you lose either way.
modest oyster
I'm slowing them down, which means they need to spend more time, more money or are weaker
Enemy that isn't there, is a fight I win by default.
I can't speak tot he rage upgrade, that's on the person.
I'm sure Scopely loves that by design.
indigo perch
@modest oyster griefer definition is they dont. Its slang for bad actor. Imo my server has aggressive players but we only have one who meets the real definition of griefer.
hollow fossil
actuly im sure they dont like the rage quit, loss of income due to other player actions
indigo perch
@modest oyster in your situation you have a perceived gain, so you do not meet my definition of a griefer.
modest oyster
Yes, there is griefing in this game but slowing down an opponent or potential opponent means that I'm gaining relatively speaking
Whether that's their lack of progression, or regression.
Even if I'm staying the same, it's relative advancement.
indigo perch
@indigo perch that's the difference, I perceive it as not value added, you perceive it as value added, we can both be correct.
hollow fossil
@modest oyster From only 1 point of view, just remember that when your on the other side of the equation
modest oyster
Why the definitions are so broad, it doesn't make a lot of sense to come complain about things
I've been on both sides
I've been in the non-mega fleet and in the mega fleet.
I've been low on the power scale, and high on it.
indigo perch
I'm middle of the server on average.
modest oyster
It's very rare and very difficult to truly grief someone in this game
hollow fossil
untrue, its very easy
modest oyster
Due to mechanics you would need a server wide participation
hollow fossil
nope, 1 player is all it takes
indigo perch
@modest oyster we have one griefer (true definition), I treat him as a game glitch.
modest oyster
The 1 player being griefed or the 1 player causing the griefing?
What is he doing?
hollow fossil
both
modest oyster
Killing miners? Killing at mission waypoints?
indigo perch
@indigo perch he spends solely to disrupt others. Cant be dealt with.
modest oyster
(Let's keep it to game mechanics, certainly the verbal and communication/social items is a whole diff area)
Disrupt or grief?
indigo perch
I'm terrible at chat, keep talking to myself
hollow fossil
@modest oyster Griefing = In online gaming where one repeatedly killing the same individual or individuals over and over again, or camping their corpse to prevent them from retrieving it, or otherwise performing actions in a game to prevent the player from enjoying the game.
indigo perch
@modest oyster he spends solely to grief, he has no other purpose for playing the game.
modest oyster
See, you both have described griefing differently, here in lies issue of confusion.
People can play the game however they choose no? So long as the game TOS allows?
Who are you to dictate what he/she should play if it's game mechanics and within TOS?
indigo perch
@hollow fossil as I said up further "griefing " is the gaming word for "bad actor" a well defined term from "game theory" ...has nothing to do with gaming, ironically.
modest oyster
Still need clarity on griefing because different takes on this
indigo perch
@modest oyster you can actually look mine up.
modest oyster
I agree there is an avenue of griefing that is truly not allowing someone to do anything in the game
hollow fossil
Its when even legit mechanics are used to the point where you do not allow the other player to enjoy the game.
modest oyster
But as I stated above, the effort that would take is near impossible, atleast for a single individual.
1 person can try to grief the server
But he/she is only going to be able to grief you whenever your paths cross
So on an individual impact level, is that affecting you all the time? No.
Some of the time? Yes.
So are you the individual really getting griefed? No.
Because by the definition above you can still make progress.
Their just annoying or causing disruption/delays.
hollow fossil
wrong, when it stops allowing enjoyment for the other player
indigo perch
I'm at that wonderful level where most ppl high or low wont hit me. If a whale hits me it costs them more to repair their scratch than it will cost me to repair my destroyed ship.
modest oyster
What if killing other ships/players/disruption is someone's sense of enjoyment?
So long as game mechanics and TOS are followed it's fair game
hollow fossil
you are correct, up to a certin point. If its not too targeted
when you focus too much it can be
indigo perch
When I'm threatened by a player in pm. I tell them to go get their best pvp ship outfitted with their best pvp crew and I'll meet them in the system of their choice. I have had no takers to date.
modest oyster
But if you are singularly focused you have mechanism to get away.
Base Relocation.
hollow fossil
not very effective at times
modest oyster
Various options for most daily/reoccuring tasks
That's why it's not really griefing, because you have options
indigo perch
I just change patterns
modest oyster
When you don't have options, and you truly have no other out. That's griefing
E.g. if a whole server hunts you.
Why I stated above, it's possible to get griefed in this game, truly. But it's pretty hard for that to actually happen.
The people, hours, and activity required to truely grief someone is a very high bar.
hollow fossil
what you say is true, but you have 1 view, I have 1 view, but that's where I will leave it. I acknowledge your points, fair, but remember other do not see it the same and they also have the same privilege as you to enjoy the game.
indigo perch
Been a very good, respectful chat yall, thank you..
modest oyster
I have to run but it's been good chatting 🙂
Yup, it's all contextual like I said.
If your servers ever merge with S11 come find me!
🙂
Ill sit on these so called "griefers".
hollow fossil
feel free to come to server 8, we have an "alliance" that love your view
even they know when to back off
lilac pumice
Say, if I buy the elite battle pass, do I get the rewards for the two tiers I've already completed?
hollow fossil
yes
lilac pumice
Nice. Thanks!
(and you're talking about MERC right?)
hollow fossil
yes i was
restive inlet
No burst event this morning? 🤔
dapper drum
did you buy enough packs from store to be eligible?
dire ravine
😄 wanted to ask about the event also, but got better answer from @dapper drum
abstract gate
same here, no burst event on eu 130
long dust
Anyone seeing burst event?
restive inlet
No
meager galleon
I have raised it
Unfortunately these are not office hours 🙈 especially for USA team members so not sure will get a response
Could be they are for some reason an hour late - will have to see in 29 mins
orchid halo
We got burst apac 198
native sinew
No Burst Event on 147. should start 45min ago
wise ibex
the burst event for lvl 40+ und 134 started about 87 min after the ones for the lower guys yesterday
so.... guys... it’s scopely.... don’t expect much
i started a 93 mio dili research and had to speed up it 137 Days.... got 7k points for the burst event....
low berry
Burst on EU should have started 5 minutest ago remember it’s 8 CET which is +0 but still not started for 40+ 😂😂
abstract gate
seems the guy who should press the „start“ button is out of office....
meager galleon
@orchid halo Your Burst event started within the last hour or you referring to yesterday’s?
low berry
No burst did not start for anyone
restive inlet
@meager galleon no burst event: time 9:11
meager galleon
No I’m aware of that 😛 asking the one player who said different
Have raised event not starting already
restive inlet
👍🏻
low berry
I don’t think someone will take care of it it’s middle of night in USA 😂😂
meager galleon
Never know, might be surprised or an earlier riser in EU gets ahold of it and can help
jaunty sonnet
I just thought it was withheld if you already won a top 3 spot on a previous one but apparently not
drifting bramble
@meager galleon I woke up 1hr30 early for nothing 😣
abstract gate
I have only for this Event yesterday start a research an now i can/will not finish 😉
tawny hinge
Is there already a scopley comment about the vidar lvl 27 event s*it?
long dust
I started loads of research but burst event isn’t up! If people are getting comp for the research they did before the start of this arc was actually up can i some for my own fault here too
timid meadow
At EU 159 there is no burst Event too
orchid halo
@orchid halo Your Burst event started within the last hour or you referring to yesterday’s?
@meager galleon ours started about 10 hours ago
stray meteor
@meager galleon burst event didn't appear yet on server 147, how about it, no messages neither? thx
meager galleon
@orchid halo I don’t think you’re following what burst events are
@stray meteor I don’t work for Scopely, issue has been raised
eager hill
we are sorry, we overslept and forgot about the burst event. thank you for your understanding. A compensation will be given to all in the next 2-355 days. "probably scopley" 🤣
stray meteor
thx anyways👍
strong condor
it started now i guess they dont know the difference between CET and GMT 😉
stray meteor
handle the clock, learning in early kindergarden times
queen geyser
The burst event is only once a day
Today’s already came and went the next will be Tom at a different time then will switch back to old time day after
Read the splash screen properly
ionic iris
Seems self explanatory to me. 8am (CET) on the 9th
And no, still no show on server 144
stray meteor
for under 40 lvl ppl the burst event started a few minutes ago, 40+ not yet, maybe soon......
round spear
and this morning again,
NO BURST for me,
despite it was scheduled for two and a half hours ago...
yesterday it was scheduled for 16:00 CET
all 27+ players got it, but NOT 40+
after much complaining, at 18:07 it ppeared, expiring 20:44
that would suggest it started 17:44 (1h 44m after schedule and 27+ players),
but actually at 18:02 it was not there yet
(I failed to get in top 7 anyway, so no reward)
now 2h30m after schedule, it's not there yet
.
Read the splash screen properly
@queen geyser
it looks like you should be applying your own advice to yourself
🤣
scarlet seal
So when do those of us who did the research before the main event finally went live get the points added to the Alliance totals ?
velvet crypt
after restart it appeared now, but 2 hours late
btw. a few weeks ago i ddnt need to resstart to see new events, now i have to do always
abstract gate
Do we have any information about the new outlaw armadas? Respawn times, start timer length etc?
round spear
Ok now it appeared
can't say exactly when, as I was busy working for a while
it expires 13:30, so supposedly it started 10:30,
coincidence immediately after I posted my complaining post above
abstract gate
They actually listened to a player or coincidence? I know where my money is on that bet
shrewd totem
It is super early in US,it was a coincidence
round spear
I'm sure there were many complaints before mine, and they were already working on it
I just dropped in at last moment (becasue I'm more patient and left 2h30m pass before complaining)
.
I'd say tho, if an issue presented yesterday at 4pm and was solved at 6pm
you should be already prepared and set to tackle it for the next schedule at 8am (11pm US pacific time)
instead this time it took them even longer to solve the same problem they faced just 16h earlier
abstract gate
Server 129 has the fabled "retrieving" burst event btw...
round spear
retrieve retrieve retrieve retrieve retrieve retrieve retrieve retrieve retrieve retrieve retrieve retrieve retrieve !
QUICK!
abstract gate
Meh I got 3rd yesterday and now I'm out of lat and speed ups...it can retrieve all it wants lol
They really optimised it for maximum sunk investment fallacy spending...3hr event is juuust long enough to force spenders to crack their wallets to hold a ranking (not me ofc, I planned ahead)
analog yarrow
<@&509690795536941056> Is the Outlaw Research Special pack missing the Alpha Particles? They're literally in the picture in the store but not in the pack.
gusty glen
My burst leaderboard just appeared but with only 1.5 hrs left 😱
shrewd totem
@analog yarrow what level are you?
analog yarrow
31
There are Alpha Particles in a different pack
Just seems stupid to put them on the picture if they're not included!
shrewd totem
Hmm
analog yarrow
(I was just about to pull the trigger too!)
abstract gate
A more cynical man might see that as false advertising...
shrewd totem
🔨 rules
queen geyser
No burst event for us on my server
winged tulip
Maybe this is a silly question, but what does the outlaw stuff get me apart from new research? I can see that i've got to kill freighters to get security codes to get rogue credits/directives to do eclipse armadas to get eclipse credits which gets me stella parts...
But after all that, what does an upgraded stella get me in terms of progress in any other part of the game? More g3, events, anything? or is all this just to get another one trick pony?
delicate moth
I guess time will tell, this is only part 2, perhaps it will become clearer
abstract gate
It's just another spin in the hamster wheel as far as I can tell
Add 1hr to your daily routine whilst spinning your wheels never actually gaining any meaningful progress. I dare scopely to release this game without the star trek skin, I bet it would bomb hard
grizzled saddle
novel hollow
Does anyone know how to lose rogue rep?
visual sparrow
You can't, same as augment, only goes up
abstract gate
Why would you want to lose outlaw rep?
shrewd totem
Why would you want that?🤔
abstract gate
Jinx
robust vapor
Because then you could get two sets of rewards a day? 😆
shrewd totem
Egregious exploiter
abstract gate
Ah like that faction balancing exploit?
robust vapor
Eh, it's a poorly designed mechanic. They just have every combination in its own separate chest or pack, and just change which one you get to see 🙄 should have had the contents dynamic instead, one chest/pack only..
shrewd totem
It is a player beneficial thing 🤫
robust vapor
But yes, that one, that I'm pretty sure you guys told me about and that I've never used 😎
abstract gate
Never used it myself, too much faffing around to keep the balance right
robust vapor
If you get it at the change point, good way to get extra credits. But if you're not there then it's too much work 🤷♂️
abstract gate
I had triple faction as goal from early on in my game...dicking around for a handful of credits wasn't even a fleeting thought tbh
robust vapor
When you're saving for those epics though 😂
abstract gate
Got one...f2p so not going for plural lol
robust vapor
I eventually got one, cheating the system for bonus credits would have helped a lot 😂
abstract gate
Meh this game is a marathon not a sprint...getting an epic faster doesn't help you tier it
still juniper
abstract gate
Rogue rep comes from missions (small amount), the 4pt research event and the faction store itself (bought with loot from the new hostiles)
You'll need to do the missions or the research event first to unlock the store
@still juniper 👆
If you can't get the 4 points needed in event for the rep before reset I'd wait as a new one will start in 2hr45
wispy fossil
What levels was the research event for? I never had a solo milestone event. Is that because I got the vidar solo event?
Also, with the vidar event, is the max bps for anybody with the event just 50?
safe orbit
Research events were 27+
Impossible Vidar event seems to give 50 bps at level 24 and 100 at level 25
dapper drum
events usually give 1/10 to 1/2 of needed bps
they never let you get a full unlock at once
scarlet flame
Why in the world did they cap the vidar event at lvl 26. I missed it during borg since I was too low, I boosted to 27 to take park in this and now I’m punished for being too high.
Thanks for the sucker punch scopely
wispy fossil
Damn. I was 24 when vidar event started, but levelled to 25 so I could have things to spend for the vidar event.
dapper drum
you will have to wait for an event store you can get them in then
scarlet flame
I literally had the event in my game yesterday. I lvled to 27 and it disappeared.
plush mica
This was the response I got to my ticket about research compensation
wispy fossil
Yeah, but with the new battlepasses, why would scopely go back to an event store?
dapper drum
because they know how much the players want to choose their own rewards
and last event store at end of borg arc made them a killing in selling funds for it
so it will return eventually
wispy fossil
I guess that's true. I just want that now. I still need to finish my franklin
scarlet flame
Well it would have been great to know the vidar event was capped so I maybe could have eeked it out before leveling.
shrewd totem
I literally had the event in my game yesterday. I lvled to 27 and it disappeared.
@scarlet flame that is probably because you didnt score any point in the event to lock yourself so when you went to lvl27,you werent eligible anymore
dapper drum
time to go outside and kill off a lone soulja and relax
scarlet flame
I get that, but the timing of leveling vs the event release punishes the players scopely pushing to lvl 28 for the new event. It’s incredibly short sighted maxing it at 26.
Essentially had a 45 minute window to do it to lock it in during work hours.
inland hamlet
The fact the vidar event changes milestones everytime you lvl ops, but you need to lvl ops to even reach a nilestone
But it's crazy at ops 23 and 24 you get 25 plus 25(nind you higher milestones not possible with points available at each ops lvl) and 25, 26 you get 50 plus 50.
And to lock milestones from lvling up you have to do a complete ops lvl to lock first milestone, to stop it changing when you upgrade your ops
As iny ticket they explained that to get fill vidar at lvl 23, you need to raise to ops 25 and be ready to go to 26 in follow on event, which will give remaking 50, but you need to be clean 23 and push to full 25 in 6d
But lvl 25, get 50 plus 50 because they need to go from clean 25 to full 26 in part 1, and not enough points in part 2 to do it
26 clean needs to move to and do ops 27 upgrade to get 100bps. All in 6d
But if you don't lock in first milestone b4 upgrading ops lvl, your rewards stay same but target on milstone changes
Problem occurs when your not a clean ops lvl, as its impossible to lock in a milestone b4 it resets higher
And top milestone requires 2 full ops lvl jump in 6d
And it's working as intended apparently so no compensation
dapper drum
you should spend money then problem solved
just buy them and level up leisurely
its how the game is designed naturally for most parts 🤷
scarlet flame
Which is insane. If you’re spending money to enjoy the games latest events then get locked out of the one event you really wanted because your timing was off with lvling ops? It’s a shady move on scopelys part. Thank you for your money now say goodbye to those vidar bps. You can spend more money in the event store...if it ever actually opens...
inland hamlet
Can't as you need to be a clean just finished ops at start of event
And required time in speedups is insane
Yes you may get first milestone if you were lucky with timing
But 2 full lvls in 6d you have to have the speedups and mats saved up before hsnd
Yes event comes around again but if you finish ops 27 you don't get this event 2nd time around, you get research one.. But you've already done some of the research b4 it starts.
Yet those doing research event atm are being compensated but those with vidar event are not being compensated of buildings already completed or started.
But in some cases ie. People who got vidar in Borg arc, can get a 2nd set of bp if they are in correct ops positions, but those who missed it in Borg arc and moved to ops 27 b4 this arc, still not got a chance at vidar
scarlet flame
Exactly...punished for lvling to scopelys suggested levels for events.
inland hamlet
And since noone knew b4 hand this event was coming it couldn't be prepared for
In effect the vidar event is an ops rush from 24 to 27
Yet ops 20 to 23 rush gave full completion on those sitting at ops 23 with capability of building 1 building to complete event,
But 24 to 27 doesn't work like that.
icy panther
Any update?
inland hamlet
So all ops 24 to 27 are screwed over
@icy panther what happens when 2nd run is ran do they get compensated for prior research again?
But 24 to 27 get 0 compensation on prior buildings completed or started.
But 27 plus get compensation added to event milestones for research done or started prior to event starting
fervent folio
what I don't understand is how someone who is 24-27 right now was not 18+ During Borg Arcs and doesn't already have 150 BP
cause I was 18 at the start of Borg Arcs, am 23 now and sitting on 150 bp
icy panther
🤦♂️
inland hamlet
Because server 164 started 7days from end of arc 3
Couldn't reach top milestones, I have 15bp only which was max pbtainable
hollow fossil
@fervent folio not everyone levels up at the same rate or throws every speedup at buildings
inland hamlet
Eu 164 never seen arc 1 or 2 of borg
hollow fossil
and you had 3 weeks as i understand it to get the BP's, we only have 7 days
I was ops 18 as the second arc ended
inland hamlet
And this event only counts g3 mats spent on station buildings, 1 pt for common and 5 for unc, but there are no buildings requiring unc at ops 24 and ops 25
Cept ops, but if you lvl ops and don't reach first milestone the milestone points required change at every ops lvl
inland hamlet
You have to be in a specific, just finished ops 24 and have all mats needed to start ops 26
dapper drum
you have to be scopely loyal lapdog if you don't want to miss things 😂
inland hamlet
Never had a franklin, or ns or jelly event.
hollow fossil
@dapper drum you are totaly forgetting some servers have NEVER seen these events, and even ones that did, there are players that have never seen them. Don't throw insults please
inland hamlet
Just both arc 3 7 days then Borg arc 4, then into augments
fervent folio
I'd love to see Franklin in an Event store, even if it's only half the bp, I'd buy the other half
dapper drum
tell me where was the insult?
fervent folio
I think it was in the one at the end of Borg Arc 4, but I was taking a break at that time so I missed it
inland hamlet
Yes got half a franklin in event store at end of Borg arc 4
dapper drum
I was stating what I did
hollow fossil
@dapper drum "loyal lapdog"
fervent folio
well, hopefully they'll also be in Event Store and end of Outlaws then
inland hamlet
Half an ns half a jelly but with none those events been run since, was pointlrss
dapper drum
and again you missed what that sentence meant
hollow fossil
no i didn't
inland hamlet
Now never will get ns or jelly as ops lvled too far
dapper drum
you assume everything people say is about you I get it
hollow fossil
@dapper drum we are not talking about what happened during the borg are, you are, we are pointing out that the current event is a next to impossible one
dapper drum
and I'm not talking about any of that at all
read my sentence exactly
not what you want to read
hollow fossil
@dapper drum i know exactly what you said and meant
dapper drum
obviously not 🤣
inland hamlet
Fact is 20 to 23 get ops rush that's possible, 27 plus get research event that is possible and is being compensated for research done. Prior.
But 24 to 27 get no compensation for buildings completed that were needed to reach milestones b4 they change at each subsequent ops lvl
fervent folio
I got bps for another 1 1/2 vidar
@dapper drum
you have to be scopely loyal lapdog if you don't want to miss things 😂
@dapper drum
Sounds to me like he called himself a loyal lapdog
dapper drum
☝🏽
fervent folio
so not sure how that's an insult to you
inland hamlet
But 24 to 27 needs 2 full ops lvls to reach top milestone, but need to complete 1 full to lock first milestone to make 2nd ops lvl
hollow fossil
its an insult because he is the lapdog,and has therefor implied that those who weren't able to participate as he did are not
inland hamlet
Then they need to do it all again 7d after event in second part move from 26 to 27
fervent folio
sounds to me like you just need some thicker skin
inland hamlet
So basicly ops rush 24 to 27 for 100 vidar bp in 2 1 week events.
fervent folio
you'd have to be looking for an insult to read that as an insult
inland hamlet
It's impossible
fervent folio
if it's not possible, then it was not designed for you...there will be other ways to get it in the future, so sorry you can't have it right now
inland hamlet
If you even do 1 building upgrade b4 event starts... It becomes impossible to reach any milstone
hollow fossil
@fervent folio your view is not helpful or useful
fervent folio
it is the truth
inland hamlet
Yet 27 plus being compensated for research they did b4 the event started.
hollow fossil
that is becuse the event didn't start on time due to scopyes fault
inland hamlet
If they said to 27 plus oh you should of waited and been in a specific position b4 and offered 0 compensation if you weren't..
Players chose to do research knowing it was delayed
But didn't know that research was needed for event
hollow fossil
@inland hamlet well one bit of good news, i just finished ops 26 and my event didn't change or reset
inland hamlet
Same position we are in with station buildings
Doesn't change if you reach first milestone
inland hamlet
Your not getting to second milestone
hollow fossil
thats what im thinking as well
inland hamlet
Without upgrading ops 27
inland hamlet
Nd 2bd part you won't get any milestone as you need complete ops lvl per nilestone
Once you complete ops 27 event disappears
hollow fossil
honestly, they just need to remove the timer on the full set event like i have.
if the event dissapears if i complete ops 27, then thats going to be a MAJOR issue
cause thats my only hope of getting this event done, is to get into ops 27 to finish
abstract gate
Has anyone that did research before the events started two days ago been compensated yet?
south orbit
negatory
fervent folio
here's a simple way of looking at it. If you were not even playing the game when the events that gave the bp were running then you are not entitled to the same things that people that had been playing the game for a while are. You'll eventually be able to get it through event stores. If you expect more than that you are acting like an entitled brat.
hollow fossil
@fervent folio and what about the new servers?
fervent folio
well, if you are playing on the new server, you were not playing when the stuff launched
abstract gate
Thx for your opinion goodbye
fervent folio
it'll come around again in good time, be patient
abstract gate
One is mining...what's the other?
hollow fossil
@fervent folio thats our point, it has become avalible, and its next to impossible to get
knotty oak
the "how to earn points" is not loading for the new event. Anyone knows how? Simple farmville?
fervent folio
look, I'm in the exact same boat with The Franklin....I was not around when that event ran, I still want it
granite zenith
soooooo.... how do you do a retrieving event? what should i retrieve?🤣
fervent folio
I have to be patienty and wait and I'll eventually get it
serene raptor
Retrieving... Fecks sake, fix the bloody bugs
hollow fossil
rebooting game, i knew yesterday was a fluke
knotty oak
already did... doesn't help
hollow fossil
oh now THAT is new, lol
knotty oak
it doesn't get more simple... how can you even break the event description 😖
solar fog
Can’t see the daily event
humble marten
If a mod could just post what the event is we could get started
Its a mining event of some sort
tepid agate
Mine folks.. Latinum, data or 3*
crystal egret
What is the current event for today? it's not loading
tepid agate
all work it seems
knotty oak
regarding the amount of what needs to be done... it's just mining
hybrid ibex
Is it a standard mining event? The conditions are retrieving.......
north olive
Just like to point out this event is crap and rewards even worse..... thank you and good day
tepid agate
rewards are for battle pass. not crap as you say
tropic knot
Today the event won't load
mental yoke
Ummm...wut?
novel hollow
par steel counted...
abstract gate
Standard mining...lat 30 p5s data 3 pts
hollow fossil
@twilit imp Can we please get the "A Different Breed" event look at for difficulty. Either the points need to be increased and a recalculation done or it need to be let run for the whole arc. Its like the points were calculated for 1 complete ops level of upgrades and they forgot to include the difficulty with the build times at ops 25+. Also, would suggest that this event be tweeked for future to allow anyone who doesn't have the V'Dar or 100 BP's in inventory to get it. Thanks
tepid agate
Any mining counts.. go Mine
tropic knot
Exactly retrieving
abstract gate
BB or D'vor mining
Par, trit, dil, g2, g3, g4, lat, corrupted data, decoded data...all coun5s
knotty oak
even Data?
tepid agate
All Mining Works
dense lantern
Stealing?
tepid agate
dont know about stealing, i just know all mining works
abstract gate
No stealing
I had double...see above
Managed to read requirements on one before it disappeared leaving retrieving event lol
abstract gate
Data will be fastest but tedius...I'll stick to lat lol
tepid agate
All Mining works. but yeah park a bug and finish in a few loads
steady breach
Is anyone getting points for Outlaw research? I know about the glitch and comp package yesterday, but have done more and still show nothing. Tia.
serene forum
@steady breach did they gave the compensation package already?
steady breach
Yes.....I got it yesterday in the event store....
serene forum
what? i didnt get anything
steady breach
I think you only got it if you’d done Outlaw research before the glitch was supposedly fixed.
hollow fossil
i got a second chest today, but i wansn't affected with the research event. Don't know if that chest has gone out
serene forum
i did 6 researches before the event
steady breach
Hmmmmm.....so waste of time doing research right now? I’ve done a bunch...
knotty birch
Where is the research compensation? How do you receive it?
frozen abyss
I did 14 rogue research before the event and got no compensation pack.
hollow fossil
When its handed out, it was said it would be a Gift Chest in the Gifts section
steady breach
I’m sorry.....that’s where mine was. I’m on server 9. Wonder if that mattered?
silver solstice
Sounds like you got antsy in your pantsy Grundondola
serene forum
no,because im on server 135 and at least 1 player from my alliance already got the compensation chest
steady breach
Interesting. I’d send nohelply....I mean scopely...a message.
serene forum
just did that
visual sparrow
Did it twice allready, but it's Scopely 😂
nova valley
her eya go: stand by
ignore the mielstones of course, but the points accumulation is the same
agile eagle
Does anyone know when the compensation packs are being distributed in respect to the research.
naive kelp
@twilit imp no chest so far
woven spoke
From what I have read some already recieved it.
hollow fossil
it probebly has to be done 1 player at a time
if they have to change results or not
unique quiver
Is there somewhere we can check online to see what event has started at reset ? No matter what I try mine says Retrieving so I am always late to the party
hollow fossil
been posted lots
and force close and restart should now show that the lag spike is over
mossy saddle
@twilit imp Can we please get the "A Different Breed" event look at for difficulty. Either the points need to be increased and a recalculation done or it need to be let run for the whole arc. Its like the points were calculated for 1 complete ops level of upgrades and they forgot to include the difficulty with the build times at ops 25+. Also, would suggest that this event be tweeked for future to allow anyone who doesn't have the V'Dar or 100 BP's in inventory to get it. Thanks
@hollow fossil
Agreed. I just pinged 26 and I've still got 6k points to get. It isn't doable. I've wasted so many resources just to get 4k points and rushed a level up.
neat ice
Rewards for yesterday's events??
mossy saddle
@twilit imp please let us know if scopely are aware of the complaints re the vi'dar mission and if there's any consideration.
hollow fossil
@mossy saddle yep, im just ahead of you, 5255 of 10.96k, ill get the first milestone, but i will run out of time to get the second
and this was even with wining a station upgrade event
mossy saddle
@hollow fossil The event will be back on again straight after according to their calandar but our rss will have depleted entirely by the second week and I'm not ready to go to 27 🙈
hollow fossil
exactly
mossy saddle
It's ridiculous. Would be way more doable if they included research and ship upgrades in
arctic pollen
with this event the vidar will be the most expensive ship for its level 😄
hollow fossil
i have no problem with it IF it was over 2 or 3 weeks, that might be fair, but 7 days, nope
and yes, it would be better with research mats as well
arctic pollen
- the event is stated für lvl 23-26 so hitting 27 will block the second event from occurring?
mossy saddle
Someone posted the other day that the event disappeared when they turned 27 so I think so, Lee.
arctic pollen
it just gets worse
neat ice
Scopely online?
hollow fossil
ive heard it just dissapeard when ops 27 was finished even with points on the board, cant confirm that though
and ops 27 wont change your dailies, thankfuly
yes, it wont show if your ops 27 when it started, i have an alliance member that was 27 when it started, he doesn't have the vidar same as me. And he didnt get the event at all.
arctic pollen
k thanks i will just ignore the vidar event
lucid patrol
Did anyone receive anything for outlaw research completed while the event was delayed launching? @twilit imp
hollow fossil
he and I both were ops 18 as the borg finished
neat ice
@twilit imp online?
midnight parrot
Looking at Battlepass, there are only 350 Outlaw II Mission Keys available and you need 400 to start all 3 remaining missions ... will there be another way to retrieve these mission keys???
hollow fossil
@midnight parrot there is a glich in the store, when you tap on the first mission the second one shows, go back and reopen the first one, it will be 10
midnight parrot
I got the 10 and did that mission ... the last three require 400 keys and there are only 350 left to get
hollow fossil
same glitch again, open first, it shows the second one, back and reopen first its the 50
nova valley
yeah the mission boxes changes places. lol
it's only 350, and we have enough keys. i confirmed that this morning.
jaunty sonnet
<@&509691205798592532> Not to be pedantic but my use of crystal for research has not dropped by 10% as advertised in the outlaw research but by 9.17% for the common and 8.3% for the rare. It should be 540 uc crystal and 54 rare crystal for this research. What gives?
shrewd totem
not the way you think it is calculated
modest oyster
Scopely Math!
hollow fossil
backwords math, net is the same, but not a good way to program
hollow fossil
not totaly, everything is based on "base stat"
and then the bonus is added to the base stat
base + B1 + B2 + B3 etc........
how its shown is the confusing part
plush mica
Has anyone gotten research compensation yet?
knotty birch
Not me
abstract gate
NO ONE
frozen abyss
That's called the law of diminishing returns.
blissful matrix
It would be nice to get the compensation before the event is over
sonic yoke
Any resolution to research reward snafu from Scopely?
Because the event ends in less than two days now
woven belfry
The official announcement says they'll be giving affected players the SMS rewards. Presumably meaning that those who did the research when the event should have been live but wasn't yet will get those rewards from that one. Ie it won't affect the progress you see on those
south orbit
4 research for Roguish Ways is nothing. The 70 for the Elite version is the problem.
woven belfry
Just don't know when it's coming though
sonic yoke
That makes me nervous. I’m just supposed to trust that they’ll get it, right?
frozen abyss
What would be really nice would be if this mining event had decent rewards...
hollow arch
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE SCOPELY if there is any chance to make this ROGUE 2nd arc one in which the spirit of being rogue goes into the game, make a mining event where stealing counts, pars, tri , dil , 2G 3G 4G data modulators everything. make this game move into a PvP real activity, there is still much you could do get away from the so easy and confortable event of just mining in full peace or killing hotsiles one after the other. get event where stealing armada of other alliances count 10 time more than doing its own. event with milestone linked to power destroyed, allinace LB with power destroyed be innovative, many of us are falling into a monotony, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE SCOPELY
wispy fossil
Is it even possible to accomplish the vidar event?
hollow fossil
im going to be able to get the first milestone, but the second we will see
this is the 25/26 event
shrewd totem
Still costs a TON for that level😅
hollow fossil
no kidding, the ONLY reason im this close is i won the station upgrade event, 3200 lat later ................
and this has taken every speed upgrade i have
burnt hound
@ancient meadow congrats on not being a high enough level (27) for the whales involved to hit you. So go shrug somewhere else about you being able to finish and never be messed with when you have no idea what we are dealing with. @distant nymph
shrewd totem
It is same just like any other rush ops event. If you are lucky you will finish it,if you arent it is going to hurt a lot
hollow fossil
at lest rush for ops is plain what your going for
mossy saddle
I really don't think they should be dangling a ship that's needed to progress as price for an ops rush.
hollow fossil
imo V'Dar, Franklin and now Stella are core game mechaninc ships, they have/need to be obtainable for every player by some sane method
mossy saddle
Honestly I'd rather pay 18.99 for it than do this event.
hollow fossil
for core game play, no
hollow fossil
Franklin is central to the lower level misson arc
you litterly cant do missions if you dont have
mossy saddle
No, I agree, for core play there should be an ingame f2p way of getting it, but if this is all scopely can be bothered doing, I'd rather the choice to just buy it from the store and ignore the event.
stone bloom
Level 24 now and I don’t have the Franklin. Didn’t need it. I don’t need it now either...
ancient meadow
@burnt hound low and slow. Finish all research and buff ships as I can before moving up. When you go into the event system and see Boom killing players you shrug and go do something else and finish the quests later. I’ve been hit by big guys with mid million ships and drained. I just find it counter productive to complain about it that’s all. 😁🤷♂️
hollow fossil
@stone bloom yes, its possible to do most of the swarm with out, but i can say the same for the Stella, you dont "need" it to do the new armadas
stone bloom
The thing is I don’t rush up the levels like some people. I’m a hard 24 now. I don’t go to the next level until I have maxed out everything and I have leveled up my ships as high as possible. Perfect example; I’m done with all my base upgrades, but not until I have a 400k Kumari will I go to 25.
hollow fossil
well, then by your logic you should not get the stella ever. Thats what has happened now twice. They appear to be trying to fix past mistakes. We are just trying to get the fix to be reasonable.
stone bloom
If it’s free I’ll get it when I can get it, but I’m not going to rush to get it. Ship sounds stupid anyway. Why the hell would I want to level up a ship and then scrap it, then have to earn more bps to build it again?
hollow fossil
to allow you to unlock research nodes
and some affect only this ship, some affect all
stone bloom
I shouldn’t have to scrap a ship to do that. How about just make a mission that does the same thing. Just seems kind of lazy from a creative standpoint.
hollow fossil
not lazy, its to slow everyone down lots
stone bloom
Now that makes sense; and then it will open the wallets of our less patient gamers.
hollow fossil
I dont disagree about speed leveling, thats another reason im voiceing my opinion for the V'Dar BP's, why do i get a massive block to content just cause i was too low level at the time
there are players out there that only managed to get 1/2 of the BP's and were the correct level
peak cave
Note circled area.
@stone bloom you will get a scanned blue print that will give the BP’s to build it again
hollow fossil
when scrapping it yes
fading hare
We’re do u get the mission what you sow
hollow fossil
event store if you have the tokens
fading hare
Ok
hollow fossil
and you may need to select the mission unlock, back out 1 level and then select it again to get the correct one to show
mossy saddle
I'm not pushing on with the vi'dar event. I plan to get to milestone 1, get the 50, and then wait for the refresh.
Slightly less points to get and it gives me a few days to restock resources and lat.
fading hare
Yes will try that
hollow fossil
@mossy saddle yep, im going to have to do the same, ill get the first milestone but man
mossy saddle
It's pushed me higher than I wanted to be. I'm usually a "do all base updates and research" before moving on.
Good luck on the refresh tho. Hoping we achieve it. Going to be very sore if not 🤣
hollow fossil
yup, im going to sit on any upgrade that use the G3 and only do the resorce gens etc that don't while i wait. Knowing i have a second event took 1% of the salt out. Otherwise i would have been upset majorly
unless i win something again, doughtful though
build time alone kills me now
yea, i would get maby 800 maaaaby 1000 points in the time i have left, im 4000ish short
fading hare
Did not work not getting the missions
safe orbit
I’ve completely given up on the Vidar event now. I have the speed ups to burn through but without it being clear that I can hit those milestones, I don’t want to waste them. Hopefully the second run includes research in it, or they put the blueprints in the event store.
hollow fossil
get the first milestone ?
safe orbit
I’m at 900 points. I can make another 2000 including starting the upgrade to 25, but then it looks as if the goal posts move
safe orbit
25 per milestone at ops24
hollow fossil
yea, thats even worse
safe orbit
Seen nothing from panic or gala on this. So just chalking it up to a waste of time and nothing to get excited about.
hollow fossil
i made it to ops 26 with what speedups i had. Im 185 short at the moment of the first milestone. No where near enough time to even think about another 5k points
so ill get the milestone, that gets me 50, so worth that much now
and Panic or Gala wouldn't comment on this at the moment anyway, they need a clear desision first. I get that
i would do the slow level and at least get a mile stone locked just in case by the end of the current event timer
safe orbit
The problem with that first milestone is that I will push towards it but if it shifts on Ops level then you need to make that bit more from somewhere to hit that first marker.
Will give it a couple of days and burn my way slowly to it. Not feeling the incentive tbh
mossy saddle
same here. Hopefully we'll get a comment from Panic before the second part launches.
hollow fossil
base on my experiance, they will either evaluate at 50% done and adjust, or let it finish and adjust for the second one.
mossy saddle
Here's to hoping.
safe orbit
Just went to do some LCARS to figure it out. My first milestone is 3100. I have achieved 900 points so need another 2200. The only 24 buildings I have left which use G3 are the shipyard and hangar which give 750 (600+150) points. Then it is Ops 25 which will give me 1100 points. This still leaves me 350 points short of the first milestone which I understand will then shift upwards at 25 to something else.
hollow fossil
i really hope it doesn't shift. The event should have locked when you put points on its counter.
Thats how the battlepass rewards work etc
safe orbit
I saw messages here and on our Galaxy Chat from people saying it shifted on them and then disappeared completely at 27
hollow fossil
😢
i know it dissapeard at 27 if you had no points
but the rest i cant be sure on.
safe orbit
True, can’t be sure. You can only go on what you hear. But if it is true, then it is just not worth overdoing it. If you can hit that first milestone without a risk of the target changing then do it. But for me and 25 bps, not sure it is worth it
Still going to work towards the 24 shipyard anyway as I need a Kumari but the push to 26 is not necessary.
hollow fossil
yea, i might just be lucky that the event is the same for 25/26
cause i did the upgrade to ops 26 and it didn't change the event, thankfuly
well, best bet for you is to be sitting on fresh 25, all builidings and give it
when the second round happens
safe orbit
Yeah that’s my plan. But hopefully Panic/Gala will come back on this at that point to tell us how the second round will work to be more achievable. I don’t mind putting the effort into something that can be done
subtle slate
Just got the Bull crap “compensation chest” for the research thing. Just some crystal and trit, Aka the first 2 milestones of the event; but no actual CREDIT for the researches that were done so having to spend the gas I was saving on enterprise to rush through extra researches to finish on time. Thanks for nothing scopely
olive wyvern
Yeah, very disappointing. There’s no way I can get the frame for the max milestone now
subtle slate
I can; but have to use all the gas and ore up that I was saving towards enterprise guns
olive wyvern
Unless I buy the prime augment research. But I’m maxed rep with them
south orbit
just received comp for the outlaw research
subtle slate
I had finished over 30 researches before they started the thing
olive wyvern
49 for me
glossy vault
Ok.. no.. this is not what we meant by compensation for the outlaw research we already did and did not get credit for. We wanted the points we SHOULD have had go towards the event so we could complete the event.. for the research we completed..between the time the event was SUPPOSED to be launched, and when it actually was. THIS IS NOT THAT
@panic
Not even close to the right thing at all i am disgusted by the uc I have spent.. not even able to complete this now.. THANKS A NOT
My @ things are malfunctioning..can someone plz tag the appropriate parties?
subtle slate
@twilit imp see above post
high creek
Yeah, got the Prime Augment worth 70 points and got none of this @twilit imp
south orbit
it's like someone was thinking up "how sharp of a stick can i jab them with?"
supple willow
Agreed. We should get both the solo points and alliance event. Scopely once again screws it’s players
sharp hedge
I am in the same situation. We were scoplied again. Should have just giving us the event points as a credit. So now I get double the low end reward and will not be able to finish the last 9 points to get the last reward. Scopely does not give a @&$;! about their screw ups.
wanton cloud
They gave the rewards for the Roguish Ways, not Roguish Ways - Elite
south orbit
reward for 4 research, when did 10
reminds me of the scene from Casino Royale, where he's tied naked to the chair
glossy vault
Right but us who did the research and did not get credit.. i don't even have more to do to get credit.. needed the points. I spent so much uc c3 over the past few days, that i am seriously disappointed in this outcome. I had a feeling scope would throw💩
We were in a tizzy ABOUT ELITE.. DID THEY NOT GET THAT?
Roguish ways was released today.. not two days ago.. (when this all became and issue).. and is done
It only took 4 points. That is Not what that was for you gotta be kidding if u thought it was
south orbit
This is 2nd Roguish Ways out so far
glossy vault
How could it be.. this event isn't the broken one.. ELITE IS
Omg u stop u obvi don't know what this is ab@south orbit
south orbit
i know totally....i'm pissed too. no points on elite given
high creek
May payout at end of event. Maybe.
glossy vault
This was the announcement..now tell me.. where is my frame? Where is my other rewards..
lunar abyss
yep and I was 20+ in on research using speedups on top of it
glossy vault
Here is am now.. did over 20 research that was not credited to this event.. we want THOSE POINTS
lunar abyss
to not have any of it count for alliance gains or for the solo side is a bit disheartening
glossy vault
Had I those points.. this would be done.. THAT IS THE ISSUE HERE.. not this garbage rewards chest that quite honestly..is an insult to the amount of uc spent on said research..not credited towards the ELITE event there
Just.. we want the points. Ppl in my alliance and on my server, and I imagine many others with this issue are OUTRAGED.. as I am.. clearly
lunar abyss
I'm absolutely right there with you
woven spoke
Same here
sleek hornet
Same here
There are so many events we lost points and rewards in: Elite, Burst & alliance
glossy vault
@twilit imp
Here look.. just in the first block of research..70 points.. which is what is needed to complete ELITE..then.. I have even more done.. now.. explain how scopley is not aware they screwed us by breaking the event itself, while allowing this to be done, and not credited..bc there have been events that were delayed in launch before.. that the points were added once the event started..
rapid axle
Okay this is a event grip... I expect flaming...
But if you have won already you should not be able to participate again...
Guy in 3rd place won already
glossy vault
We def need our points.. not just some unrelated reward
I don't even want that reward.. they can take it and put it somewhere uncomfortable for them
Please scroll up a tiny bit.. we all can see that this is not acceptable
royal tangle
Compensation package sucked. Where’s my points that I earned, and the frame that those missing points would have earned? That’s it in a nutshell. Do better.
simple ledge
I wish they would comment if the pack they already gave is the only one or if they are working on the points situation. I had 22 already completed and could be done. I am trying to wait and see if they are going to credit the research done before the event started or if I need to push to finish elite. Some communication would be great.
inland narwhal
@rapid axle I agree for things like the frame which you only need one of - that should be separate, like they had for avatars in the past, but you should only be able to join if you don't already have it
thick ermine
I’m here cause I just realized I too have been screwed on the Roguish Ways Elite event and the ALB and agree with everything people said above. This compensation is BS. I want my points
inland narwhal
The compensation was exactly what I expected
rapid axle
@inland narwhal That is my point. I can understand the rest
jaunty karma
Is this a joke?
spice leaf
@twilit imp or <@&509691205798592532> or whoever can speak on behalf of Scopely, the compensation was nice and thank you for that, however it was for the wrong event. It is suppose to be for retroactive points for the elite research tree as well which many of us had started and not received the credit for. We humbly (cough) thank Scopely for trying; however, if you actually paid attention to our complaints and screenshots, and actually remembered what events are what maybe you could have remembered what you were compensating us for. Thank you kindly.
warm wasp
What a joke these rewards are!! If those researches counted I would of completed the event. Add the researches to the solo event and the points to the alliance event it’s not rocket science but yet again scopely can’t get the original thing sorted or the compensation right 🙈
jaunty karma
@twilit imp Could we get some help here? I’ve already spent money that should have progressed me through this. There is no way I’m spending another hundred when i should already have points here. Why weren’t we just given progress points as compensation?
merry fulcrum
YES compensate everyone with the frame!!!!
tulip holly
So, when are the lost event points coming?
merry fulcrum
^
jaunty karma
Just the points I should have earned is all I want
spice leaf
I think that’s the point many of us are trying to make and they seem not to get lol
jaunty karma
One refinery output? Wtf
warm wasp
Not hard for them to work out the amount of researches you’ve done should match the points you have, surely there’s 1 brain cell within the ranks
thick ermine
Exactly, they can have their compensation back. I want my 34 points I would have earned in research. I can’t eve reach the 3rd elite milestone now
candid moat
Its simple math... if person x has completed 70 + eligible researches they should get the top tier award. Its an easy algorithm to count
spice leaf
Have you seen the glitches in the game, brains cells hah!
candid moat
Give me 7 people or 3.5 without socks and i can count to 70
warm wasp
Ok half then I’ll give you that one fair comment