@barren night guess he works with Nero as captain but not with arix as captain
#🏆-event-chat
west cairn
barren night
Can you send me a few complete battle logs for the submission
west cairn
ashen pawn
I just finished shipyard 28 but I dont get to see the ship packs will they show on the next event reset?
west cairn
@barren night I can send hundreds it's all same arix activates kumak doesn't
thin hill
I use nero (cap)- livis- chen on my kumari
it makes around 2.8-2.9 points
tier 5 only one phaser upgrade
barren night
@west cairn Can you also send one of the first battle screen showing the crews
west cairn
barren night
I have reported it, I have no idea how long for an answer back.
west cairn
@barren night this last one is not same as battle logs but if it's necessary I can do few big battles and screenshot everything
barren night
I think this should be good to show the results of the battles.
west cairn
I have been looking battle logs for two weeks since I got Kumari not once did kumak ability work
halcyon briar
@west cairn kumak only activates at the start of a round a ship is burning. Arix burn is never active at the start of a round
west cairn
@halcyon briar?
halcyon briar
Arix burn is triggered by firing a weapon it can never happen at the start of a round. His burn only lasts for one round, the round its triggered on
west cairn
So arix ability is useless?
halcyon briar
In short, arix is useless
west cairn
@halcyon briar ok thanks for answering that for me
halcyon briar
Np
west cairn
@halcyon briarmake sense now
halcyon briar
Honestly only hull breach functions ok without the epic officer. Morale without kirk is garbage, and we just discussed arix lol
west cairn
@halcyon briar every day I get more and more disappointed with officers mechanics in this game 🙄
halcyon briar
Yep. It gets a lot better once you've gotten the epics and had the blues teired a few times so they are useful
But burning is very disappointing right now
round lava
I don't know, the Nero Crew and Another Time Crew I have together are destroyers.
They Command my Jellyfish together.
severe bridge
Because of the cool downs set up in the event store I think that it’s only fair that you provide with the information on when the event store will close. Need to be able to determine if we can even obtain the officer of ship. Or just take away the cool down!.
azure pecan
has anyone noticed a difference in the points gained/boss attack in event? Something is off and I am only able to pull 1.2-2.2mil pts off per attack this go around. Last round I was getting 4.2mil points/boss attack consistently
rapid sky
@severe bridge usually it closes 24hr after event ends...
west cairn
Just did boss attack didn't get any points
barren night
@severe bridge The qustion was asked, and we are awaiting a response
barren night
Agreed, that too has been mentioned
severe bridge
Have u heard if more officers being considered adding to event store, similar to last act of war (ie, Harrison, krell)@barren night
lusty vigil
Hal9000 do you also know how to read the lip?😂 😂 😂 😂
meager galleon
I brought up many of these things on my Reddit thread! Panic has said he wants information in central places to convey the feelings and opinions about events etc to show to developers
Go comment and upvote on Reddit 😊
severe bridge
Can u link it again. I can go vote
barren night
@severe bridge No I have not. But, from what I have seen... I wouldn't expect it.
severe bridge
Sadly that’s what I figured. I think last time Harrison was only offered at a certain level and I wasn’t there, so I couldn’t get him last time. I was excited to have that chance this time but nope.
@meager galleon I voted and agree with it
meager galleon
Awesome - I’ve not had many people disagree with the points raised and many people come on Discord and echo the same feelings
charred prawn
@meager galleon it's a nice effort and well thought out but I sadly think you are talking to a brick wall 😂
meager galleon
The more traction that goes behind it the better
Well Panic honestly seems like a genuine guy and if he worked for Riot in the past I feel he’s got some credentials even if I disagree with his methods, gotta give it a try
He’s said that information in centralised places with good feedback and weight behind it is easier to share and show to developers
charred prawn
then they file it in the circular "filing cabinet" on the floor 😛
meager galleon
So if the community expands its opinions properly in the right areas perhaps feedback gets better used than many things getting drowned out and lost on a chat system
surreal path
@meager galleon plenty of feedback on all social media channels
I think @loud solar sums it up nicely in his YouTube video
merry fulcrum
Don't seem to show results
Almost like it's being ignored
Or, they're taking their time
charred prawn
nah I think they are seeing how far they can drop the rewards to give us the minimum they can
meager galleon
I think Rev did well but I don’t think he covers enough 😃
charred prawn
lots of complaints but no revenue drop and they'll be happy
meager galleon
And Reddit is really barren honestly.
Because it’s a mobile game the social network channels or places like Reddit are really under used
And pretty empty
gentle pulsar
Thank you for this reading, it reflects the quality of the event, but I'm not sure they read you and understand the need and expectation of their players!
meager galleon
If you have a game with a playerbase or say 500K - do you think say... 5 or even 10 complaint posts that have 2-5 replies will worry or grab anyone’s attention ?
Especially if the bottom line isn’t changed
Rev brought up a good point about statistics in his chat with Panic, if the feelings and opinions of the player base are negative player retention is impacted and the bottom line eventually will fall off..
So every voice should be added to appropriate places, not just Discord black hole
cloud grail
Dear Scopely,
I do not know what your intent is, what I do know is how I and my fellow players (at least in my two alliance server 197, with barely 100 players) feel. You have very effectively SOURED the milk.
That event store and the event itself was presented and greeted with an abundance of excitement. Faction ship hacked or whatnot was exciting.
The actual implementation was so disappointing ( most diplomatic word I can find ) the combination of repair times, time spent, base resource costs make the event not worth participating in.
In my personal case at ops 28, we started at a ridiculous 108m damage for solo milestones. It has been lowered to 45m now, so I now can have more of life back by asking for less. Thank you for that. Sadly it doesn't matter. Asking me to spent half the time, half the repair time, half the resources. Doesn't make the event more exciting, doesn't make me look forward to participating in it.
The upfront cost of doing the event is now expected to be recouped by buying it entirely from the event store. In my humble opinion the player base can turn again if scopely reimburses the players up front by rewarding players with repair speed ups and base resources up front. Leaving the event store as a pure profit side, instead of a "refund" place for doing the special event.
jagged nimbus
How long is the entire event running for? i know the alliance leaderboard is for 7 days but does the event run out then too? watching a guy on youtube talk about the event and he mentions its on for 30 days
severe bridge
They said 7 days I thought
That is what was said in the official announcement as well
cloud grail
I have only touched upon the solo milestones, the solo and alliance leader board, and the PvP rewards also need adjustment, but honestly if the solo milestone event rewards are the event foundation if is viewed as not worth it none of the events you're running that go with it will move forward.
jagged nimbus
Alliance Leaderboard Event
This event will run for 7 days and will track confirmed eliminations of Separatist Bosses, Elites, and hostiles, awarding more points for the Klingon Separatists.
Solo Leaderboard Event
This event will run every 24 hours and will track confirmed eliminations of Separatist Bosses, Elites, and hostiles, awarding more points for separatists.
Solo Milestone Event – PvE
This event will run every 24 hours and will track damage done to various hostiles of increasing difficulty throughout the galaxy, depending on your Operations level.
Specifies the alliance leaderboard is 7 days but not the whole act of war part 2 event in itself
was only curious cause of the video i watched and why they said 30 days
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j67KJdZgkvY&feature=youtu.be
8mins 30 seconds in he mentions it runs for 30 days
severe bridge
@loud solar let’s ask deuce why he aid that
Oh maybe that isn’t the deuce video? I don’t know
upbeat dock
I have a Question: Did anyone had problems with the mission mining 100,000 dilithium to donate? My mission counter started as soon as the ship leaved the mine, and when it arrived to the base, nothing was added. Thinking that was a separate conter (the rest all add when the ship arrived at the base). The Art. Int toldme that the amount was reached and showed a donate/ pospone screen. Hitting donate only shoed you do not have enought resources.
jagged nimbus
It's not deuce, this is first video i've watcehd of synq gaming, i was sent to because he mentioned the event running for 30 days
so i wanted to get clarification on if that was true or not
severe bridge
I suspect it’s an error. Everything has indicated 7 days and I’ve never heard of synq gaming
loud solar
It's notn30 days
bold girder
Hoping to find an answer to this one from before.....
Hey, I was previously Klingon consort but already have the Bortas. I've been grinding my Fed rep and dropped off from consort Klingon.
However the Bortas pack has remained in my store. I'm now favoured by both fed and Klingon but the Saladin Pack has not arrived in my store? I've let it run overnight too for any reset etc.
Does anyone know what the requirements are for the Saladin pack to arrive in the store? I already have the Bortas so its faily pointless me getting the Bortas BP pack rofl.
jagged nimbus
@loud solar Thanks for clarifying 😃
spice cove
Sorry if this has been discussed, but is there a cooldown in the event store for purchasing resource tokens?
viral sail
Does anyone here know how long the event store will be available?
thin hill
panic said it generally stays open for 2-3 days after the event ends but norhing certain
clear burrow
Where did Synq get the idea that the solo event is running for 30 days?
forest kelp
Fix the rewards... They suck.. Bad
sour plaza
Seems like different servers has different event store content
That’s not very nice...
rapid sky
@sour plaza where did you see that?
sour plaza
People mentioned hey see yuki, Merik and krell as their options. I see decius, mera and carol
elder comet
hm maybe depending on lvl
severe bridge
Can someone confirm they see those officers with a screenshot?
elder comet
that is what i got. i am on same server as @sour plaza
warm spoke
server 151 has the same as above
severe bridge
Same on server 29, Mara, carol, and Decius
frozen abyss
stoic turtle
Not getting the ship bps when buying with tokens. Is there a fix?
meager galleon
It’s lvl based
worn urchin
Lvl 32s my server weren't getting intrepid bps
thin hill
you can have 28lvl bps at lvl 27
stoic turtle
I mean the bps show up and i buy it and they still dont come but i lose the tokens
rigid sapphire
Why limit the number of North star bps you can buy within 24 hrs?
solemn shard
Because scopely sucks!
Why limit anything at all? You're limited by the number of tokens you get every 24hrs anyways.
storm owl
Yes there is a 24 hr cool down once you get 2 resource tokens from event store.
I agree with above, it is bogus
We earn the rewards, we should be able to spend as we like. Not limited
meager galleon
Feedback there - more that agree about cds being stupid and everything else we can hope they listen
merry fulcrum
No announcement about it??
ionic sphinx
After killing two bosses and over 600 level 22 ships I still can’t get to the first dressed and for what we would do you get if I do that not much and what can you do with not much this is not worth playing this event
azure pecan
pvp event...is it working on anyone else's server?
graceful shard
I am getting 20m+ per boss kill with faction ships so I don’t know how you could kill 600 22s and 2 bosses and not be further along
azure pecan
sometimes there is a delay in calculation of points, i send ships home, close out of game and restart it
@ionic sphinx holy balls what level are you? just saw your tier values
graceful shard
And this event reward tab needs to be reworked
I’m buying UC
I can only buy 1 at a time
But 10 every 24 hours
Why do they make it so hard just let me buy 10 or even 5 at a time
gusty rose
@ionic sphinx bro it about damage done for the solo. I have to kill 4 bosses for 108M. Also noticed earlier in Fed system that you hit a fed boss, NOT a separatist boss. That won't get you any points.
ionic sphinx
Well something must be wrong with my scoring I’m level 29 and I killed two bosses and you can see I didn’t get much of a score for that
halcyon briar
@ionic sphinx post the battle reports?
azure pecan
@ionic sphinx yeah because i get that many points in one run of smashing my kumari against a boss...
ionic sphinx
There’s no battle report because I killed so many 22 after that it’s not there any more would like to show you maybe on my get in the mood to take out another one
tiny dagger
Amy shield damage will not count towards the points. Only hull
edgy wasp
@ionic sphinx sometimes the points don't show up for me, but restarting the app fixes it
sudden gull
@ionic sphinx you killed the WRONG bosses. You hit the old Fed Commander instead of the sepratists
errant blade
what level do you need to be to get hijacked BP?
halcyon briar
@ionic sphinx was it one almost dead? or did you kill it from full hp?
ionic sphinx
It was full I hate with two ships one of them was a faction ship it did most of the work
halcyon briar
thats really weird then
should have gotten you 20m+ points for a full kill with faction ship
ionic sphinx
That’s what I’ve been saying to them as well that there’s something wrong with my scoring they don’t believe me I took one federation system and one Klingon system today
tidal jacinth
Is there a cool down period on decius shards or can I get all 15 chests in one sitting ??
ionic sphinx
Who thinks this is worth the reward you would get for spending $80 you’re not gonna get back when you play the event I don’t think this package is going to help
void frigate
at least its better than the latinum pack :D
I have the same offer but for 50 €. is yours canadian dollars?
ionic sphinx
I don’t have that one but I found another one
rapid sky
Dunno about the value, but if you scroll further there's a 'batleth token pack' which gives better items for the same cost
ionic sphinx
rapid sky
Ok you found it lol
ionic sphinx
But when I look through it doesn’t look very useful
lament horizon
Can we please get some better rewards on uncommon. Please, please, pretty please 🙏 🙏 🙏
And oh... as many people already stated: cut out the cooldown.... let us play the game....
ionic sphinx
I agree with you
oak willow
How many bp you can get from one chest for the hijacked legionary ship
reef adder
what level are you? @oak willow
reef adder
they likely become available at lvl26
kind roost
So I’m participating in the event to get some kind of rewards, but they make this event very uninteresting. After like a month of mining to have a boring event like this really feels like it has taken the steam out of a lot of people’s fun for the game
rapid sky
scroll left... it's after all the other 99.99 ones
kindred spire
Go right bud
wispy bolt
SO anyone else wondering when the real event starts...
sudden valve
Yes i am
This event is boring
I got the only part worth doing in 15 mins
Attacking a boss 6 times for damage points
elder comet
What is a good crew for doing bosses with 220k Kumari?
wispy bolt
Glad they took some time to release this event. It could have been total horse shit🖕
sudden valve
Lol
elder comet
What about using uhura and tlaan/chen/mccoy and Nero
To live longer and do more burning dmg
sudden valve
With the setup i do 1.3m damage with my 360k legion
If the bosses shields are 0 i take half his health
elder comet
Hm. Can try that with Kumari. Will try mentioned crew as well 😅
rapid sky
@sudden valve I'm really surpeised you getting more with Otto than with Chen
you got 80% on attack though, that's more than mine... how many rounds and how much damage?
elder comet
My previous setup survived 16 rounds and did around 500k dmg
rapid sky
that's what I was using until yesterday
gives me 1M damage to a boss (5M points) as long as shield is <50K
boreal hemlock
I get 3 million with 260k kumari
elder comet
@boreal hemlock what crew
boreal hemlock
Nero Kumak vemet
rapid sky
hrm nice... how many rounds?
sudden valve
rapid sky
ok... for me it's only 16 with Otto, vs. 24 with Chen 😃
elder comet
20 rounds almost 800k dmg. That is insanely good lol
16 rounds and 500k dmg with mccoy instead of chen
shrewd totem
McCoy’s abily doesnt work
elder comet
It does lol
hushed belfry
Anyone in the servers that got it early reporting changes to event store yet?
Or am I saving up for no reason
meager galleon
It’s highly unlikely that any changes occur during weekend
hushed belfry
There were pretty drastic changes last time is all..
abstract gate
Yeah...there were refining events after the mining events before too...scopely's favourite trick is to move the goalposts without any warning or reasons given.
Expect nothing or less than nothing from them and they'll never disappoint you
hushed belfry
I'm just really disappointed at this point, and once I do tire of it and hang it up I will not be playing another scopely game going forward.
abstract gate
Their sales metrics probably took a nosedive last time and thats why this event store is so...lacklustre
abstract gate
I'm just grabbing uc crystal, trit tokens and decius shards...nothing else worth my time there (lvl30 with saladin and payflower)...now if they had faction miner bp's then we could talk exciting...
Or Harrison...
hallow haven
I don't even see how we can get hijacked ships as my math and the cool down on buying parts says they are not obtainable.
yeah @abstract gate Harrison would be nice and something we have said in out alliance....
Can't even buy the hijacked ships in store!
abstract gate
As it stands rn the only way to get a hj ship is if there's a bonus purchase added towards the end of the event or the store stays open 4 days extra (and you buy about 10 of those 50€ bat'leth packs)
hallow haven
I haven't seen any bat'leth packs!!!
abstract gate
They are hidden among the regular packs
lament horizon
Can we please get some better rewards on uncommon. Please, please, pretty please.🙏 🙏 🙏
And take out the CD timers.... let us play the game 🙏 🙏
abstract gate
If only the 75k lot was not buggy as hell ...
rapid sky
@abstract gate trit tokens are nice but BPs are better at lvl27 lol
dull pagoda
For the same amount of tokens as when yesterday mine was 15 million to finish woooooow
Wtg scopely
tall fiber
Great... Now only let us cash out one BP at a time? What gives?
dull pagoda
Don’t worry, you can get 1 unc instead
Three times on bortas bp it gave me diff ship bp’s lol
Only 99 more to go on a Saladin and legionary and whatever else
dapper tangle
hey everyone, I want to let you know about a new part of the Act of War event that will be communicated in-game in a few minutes. The refinery will have 2x the output for all servers that collect 20,000 Bat’leth Tokens per player over the course of the event. Any Bat’leth tokens collected up to this point will also count.
The bonus refinery will consist of 1. An extra ‘bonus’ refinery module that only drops uncommon and rare materials. 2. An improved drop rate of materials using the original module
Servers that have completed their goal will be notified via an in-game pop-up. The extra refinery module will only be available during the event, so the earlier it gets unlocked, the longer you’ll have to use it. However, regardless of your server’s performance, everyone will have access to the bonus module on the last day of the event. The improved drop rate on the original refinery module will also become permanent after the end of the event.
keen ledge
The pop up in game
thin hill
is this offical?
hushed agate
There is no incentive to level up. I'm holding at 25 and I get the same rewards as @dull pagoda for only 6.2 million points
sharp ibex
unless someone was able to put up the popup through hacking, yes
winged tulip
That's absolutely nuts. If you know this event is a big enough fail that you need to bribe people to do it with a bonus refinery event, then fix the damn thing. And gating it behind no. of tokens collected better bloody well exclude inactive accounts..
graceful shard
So does it count back to the start of the event?
barren night
Why are we the last to find out?
graceful shard
Or is it 20k going forward?
sharp ibex
[8:53 PM]Haruki:So, Commander Lumy asks: "We need CONSISTANT (not random) uncommon material drops so we can plan progression. What are the plans to address this? "
[8:53 PM]Game Designer: Keenser:Math.
[8:53 PM]Game Designer: Keenser:A little behind the curtains, here
[8:54 PM]Game Designer: Keenser:I'll tell you what adjustment will go to refinery soon.
[8:54 PM]Game Designer: Keenser:Right now, for every refine, you get two "rolls" to determine what sort and magnitude you get
[8:55 PM]Game Designer: Keenser:I'm testing a version that plays with those rolls to get more a more normalized result.
[8:55 PM]Game Designer: Keenser:So, I won't promise that all levels will always get an uncommon every roll. Sorry.
[8:55 PM]Game Designer: Keenser:It will be more generous,.
[8:55 PM]Game Designer: Keenser:But it will also be much more consistent.
[8:56 PM]Game Designer: Keenser:If you haven't noticed, we continue to adjust the refinery, pretty regularly
[8:56 PM]Game Designer: Keenser:That's very likely to continue. It's gotten a bit more generous every time.
[8:57 PM]Game Designer: Keenser:I understand that's not as generous as you would like, but expect it to keep improving.
[8:57 PM]Game Designer: Keenser:Especially for lower levels, actually -- on a relative basis, level 20 is really too weak relative to 25, etc.
[8:57 PM]Game Designer: Keenser:Anyway, enough about math
[8:57 PM]Game Designer: Keenser:Thanks Lumy
so much about refinery
graceful shard
Because we have a least 500 of 2500 inactive so we will need to make up for a lot
If it backcourts there is a chance
winged tulip
The in game announcement has a link with 'check discord for details' or something. Clowns.
graceful shard
If it doesn’t there are to many low levels@and inactictives
winged tulip
You need exponentially more uncommon for each level you get, each tier up on your ship, and so on. lvl25 might get more uncommon than 22 but they need a hell of a lot more too.
severe gale
Wtf kinda joke is this refinery bonus
stone grail
Does this mean you can't spend any tokens, or is it accumulative
So if I got 20k but spent them all, it would count?
grave lantern
It's desperation from the Devs to get people to participate in this event
severe gale
It needs fixing to compare to lvl it's so out of balance it's not even funny
Lvl 30 needs 10x lvl 24 yet there is only 4 percent increase form 24 to 30
grave lantern
I'm lvl27 and am stuck due to the amount of unc ore that's needed vs how much is dropping from refinery
severe gale
Exactly
Lvl 30 to 31 you need 50 rare for ops alone how long will that take.. 6 months at current drop rate
hollow cobalt
Thanks for the share @sharp ibex and this is directed at game designer not you but there was zero math in there. Great you’re bringing up refinery. At this stage the lack of ability to level ships/buildings for weeks on end will make the game pointless pretty soon.
versed heath
What is event end date for us servers, plz? Can't find info...
sharp ibex
you never played games where it takes ages to level up 😛
hollow cobalt
Nothing even close to this, no.
sharp ibex
@versed heath at least one extra day compared to the others coz of the delay
winged tulip
I've played plenty of games where you have to grind insane amounts to get stuff. Nothing has had the absurd RNG aspect of the refinery which blocks all aspects of gameplay unless you spend money. Want to research? Refine. Want to build? Refine. Want to upgrade ships..? Refine.
viral pawn
🤔
versed heath
Thx!!
elder comet
So we can get 16200 per day by milestones
versed heath
Didn't get the splash screen, I guess. Lol doh!!
warm spoke
Great so our server (151) is full of inactives due to the game being neglected with bugs, now as a result the remaining players are punished as the active players input will never make up for the percentages.
This is a total travesty. We have called for a merger and asked for the inactives to he removed.
Now we are punished for something we've asked to be fixed.
I think Scopley really do want everybody to quit so they can move onto a less broken project 😡
elder comet
They could have at least have some board that shows average token on a server......
sharp ibex
so servers with inactive players have to work extra hard
elder comet
So we don't even know if we have it or not..
abstract gate
20k in a week
sharp ibex
you will see it in the refinery items
abstract gate
I am 26 and get per day more Then 20k
winged tulip
It's also a completely opaque measurement too. All we're doing to do is grind and get told on the final day that we're short 1k? 💩 .
As a 27 i'm earning 15k odd per day, for the entire event - and all that will decide this is how many lowbies and inactives the server has. Awful idea.
abstract gate
Number of tokens per active player is capped, there's no working extra hard...you got a dead server you're shit outta luck
elder comet
They want to make up for not having bonus refinery from last mining event...........
severe gale
Can anyone say extra gay
celest garden
The way the rewards have been nerfed for this event is ridiculous. It makes me think that profits went down during the last act of war because players prone to spending $ on this game were able to purchase resources, materials, and ship parts in the event store during the last Act Of War event....so Scopely decided the event store rewards were to "generous" that way this time around they don't see a dip in profits due to the event. All the while....the free-to-play players who can't afford to buy the store packs and would very much benefit from this event if the rewards were comparable to last time are the ones who's game experience is negatively impacted. Its greedy and immoral.
If I wasn't so invested in this game with time, $, and my alliance I would have stopped playing awhile ago due to reasons such as this..... 😕
sharp ibex
@elder comet the reason is something else, but 🤐
elder comet
@abstract gate milestones will only give 16200 in total no matter what lvl you are
sharp ibex
@elder comet it's the total sum over a longer period/users
elder comet
Still. They think they are generous with such bonus events... yet they do not realize they make it worse
sharp ibex
so when you did 40k, you grant an inactive to be counted as well
charred prawn
So no one has any idea what's going on and the players have zero oversight over the totals because scopely are so trustworthy
sharp ibex
your server needs to farm a total of users * 20k, to meet the requirement
elder comet
But how can you know how many players are on a server and how many of those active actually play. I doubt there will be a lot server activating the bonus
winged tulip
They must be desperate, i've just got emailed about bonus refinery too. Think it's the first time they've mailed me so far. Did the participation numbers suck that hard that they thought this was the best way to bribe us?
merry fulcrum
elder comet
They talk about numbers. So I guess they have some more knowledge. But like always it will only be granted for top1%
merry fulcrum
To get it each server has to average 20k tokens per person
winged tulip
charred prawn
I think its the visit discord link that's the real filling in the sandwich
winged tulip
email has more details
rigid lichen
Mayhe if they managed to balance the amount of work to complete event with comparable rewards people would actually do the event
elder comet
Notice the last point. PERMANENT
abstract gate
@rigid lichen i finished my 108mil milestone 20m8ns ago...
sharp ibex
maybe start organizing a global seize fire on the server and work on this together, putting wars aside
charred prawn
Getting people to do it is the problem rewards are terrible
viral sail
The problem, I think, is inactive players
sharp ibex
you don't know the rewards (neither do I)
viral sail
Especially on older servers
rigid lichen
@abstract gate mine is the same and my strongest ship is 340k. The amount of dil/trit to repair hitting bosses does not make up for it
reef adder
how are we notified if our server hits this goal?
sharp ibex
@viral sail I think they will take that into account in their math
charred prawn
Yeh inactive accounts are a big problem and ofc it will be terrible it's a scopely buff
They think 1 uncommon is a good reward at lvl 28
sharp ibex
@reef adder you will probably see items in the refinery being added
charred prawn
Drop rate on refinery improved now an additional 0.1% chance of an uncommon per refine
thorny gust
and scopely makes this annoucement halfway through the event as well? seriously, can this company be more incompetent?
abstract gate
No wonder panic's been hiding...
sharp ibex
you mean last week ?
celest garden
Morkian...is that sarcasm or is that the actual improvement?
sharp ibex
that had another reason
flat nacelle
Man, events based on “go kill hostiles for 3 hours”. I just can’t keep caring that long
sharp ibex
this week was hell, period
thorny gust
at least towards the end, it says everyone will get the module, regardless of server average
charred prawn
It was sarcasm but could be the actual improvement 😂
thorny gust
so really only a few days of missing out
sharp ibex
yeah, active ones get it sooner
reef adder
depending on cooldown, days is a long time lol
abstract gate
@sharp ibex any idea if tokens aquired through packs count? 😂 😋
charred prawn
No clue what to aim at 20k per person is such an unknown goal it could mean everyone active has to get 200k
celest garden
They should count the average 20k per player....per player who is active at some point throughout the event....that way completely inactive players don't count
abstract gate
Is 20k per player eligible to participate in event or per every player from lvl1-39 on that server?
celest garden
That's a very good question
abstract gate
New servers and dead are screwed if it's either tbh
Active servers will be hard pushed if it's the latter
shrewd totem
They will divide the total yokens to number of people on a server
Doesnt matter player is active or not
elder comet
If you are lazy or not strong enough but have Nero already you can put him into fortunate with Scotty for warp and crash those into bosses
Depending on luck you can get 1m+
shrewd totem
You can do it with Arix too
serene forum
Well, since I can only get 16k,per day it won't work.
thin hill
my guess is it's 20k per week, if you have 16k every day you have 112k tokens that should cover it for 5.5 players
@serene forum
thin hill
yep, I dont know why people are so angry about
clear burrow
If that was per day it would be impossible
over the whole event is easy. if 25% of players break 20k for 4 days you win
thin hill
I mean the event sucks but this is kind of good also they've improved refinery permanetly
clear burrow
The refinery has been a HUGE complaint and problem so it makes sense
thin hill
also my only complain about this event is the cooldown
winged tulip
If i gave you a sandwich with faeces in it, then offered you £30 to eat it, would you be happy about being offered £30 or be offended about being given something you don't want and pushed to eat it?
clear burrow
they're offering to replace the sandwich, not give us $30 to eat the shit sandwich
winged tulip
This event is a turd sandwich. They're not removing the turd, they're bribing us to eat it anyway.
thin hill
<@&509691205798592532> I don't think people really understood the premise of the new refinery adjusment it is not 20k per day, 20k for the entire event. if you get 100k in 5 days you'll be covering for 5 players in total
winged tulip
The event is not and should not have ever been linked to the poor refinery rate or changes to them. It's not replacing the sandwich at all.
abstract gate
@shrewd totem ???
spare jungle
<@&509691205798592532> , whar about the hundreds of inactives, do they count towards average
keen ledge
We found out about this after you. So unfortunately, we don't know. We will ask, but it's the weekend....
barren night
Yea... we have as much info on it as you do guys.
thin hill
I think this is good but people are not pleased,
abstract gate
Obviously not us.
thorny gust
Also note that the bonus module is only during the event so more active servers benefit. The original module improvements are the only things everyone gets after the event
winged tulip
This would be slightly less frustrating if we could even see what the current server average is - the text implies it'll go live as soon as it's unlocked, and ihave no idea if our server is averaging 1k or 19k so far.
spare jungle
Ok. Good to know. Its alotta people with zero that bring down a average.
thin hill
if they really want to give players a good event reward they should remove the damn cooldowns
spare jungle
And low levels unable to participate in event
thorny gust
Feels like they're trying to make up for not having it during the mining event but they had to throw in a screw you on top of it
How many days are left in the event?
hard tartan
I don't suppose there is a way to see the server progress?
oblique void
I mean I’m all for anything that makes the refinery suck less. But this is not the way to do it, where it’s tied to an event instead of fixing an out of balance game mechanism that affects everybody
soft gate
Meh, according to the blurb, everyone gets the bonus refinery on the last day. My guess is that’s when most/all of us will actually see it. Bonus refinery is awesome so I’m not going to look a gift horse in the mouth.
spare jungle
Dont know, how or if scoply is going to extend event after horrible start
molten crescent
Oooohh..so everyone will get a chance if using the "special" refinery at least once..maybe twice. Where they will maybe get 1 rare resources....thank you so much Scopely. Ughh you truly are pieces if trash.
soft gate
@molten crescent 3 times bud.
oblique void
Though as Im rereading it maybe it’s just poorly worded
molten crescent
How about you just change the refinery to this new one and address the horrible out put issues people are having?
oblique void
If the situation is that refinery is getting upgraded no matter what after the event, but the really active servers can get it a couple days sooner. Then whatever, I have no issue with that personally. I originally read it that you’d get the ongoing refinery boost only if you do the event
molten crescent
Let me guess to refine 3 batches it is 500k or some other ridiculous number that will produce 3 uncommon a 1 rare..great i just need 1400 more till i can upgrade one section of my Mayflower
teal jackal
Wonder what their count is for average? Is that every who paricipates in the event (so only actives who actually collect tokens), everyone above the level requirement to participate? Or does it count the hundreds or thousands of inactives/ below level 20s that have no chance to get tokens
molten crescent
I have been refining 3 batches at a time for 74 days of level 3 gas and have not gotten 1 rare gas. I submitted a ticket and the response I got was to buy packs. Thanks Scopely I didn't know that🤣
abstract gate
Actually, the way I read it was that servers that had over 20k in the Tokens from the event would get offered the refinery thing. My only question is isn't that really over doing it? There are some servers that have a lot of inactive players, and because of that, they may not be able to get the refinery event. But is that fair to the individual players in the server?
soft gate
@abstract gate reread. Everyone gets it the last day.
abstract gate
I could understand if it were by the player, but not by the server.
where is it listed?
that is the message I saw
soft gate
@abstract gate
tawdry kindle
Yep, that. And after event is over, increased output gonna be permanent
meager wing
So is that 20k average per day or total?
tawdry kindle
Total
soft gate
Total
abstract gate
rapid sky
ok so if 3 days in to the event our server doesn't have it, and whoever plays it gets around 16K/day + alliance bonuses + leaderboard event... goes to show how crappy the event is as effectively less than 1/3 of the players are doing it
abstract gate
This says it is a server thing... Not individuals... Except for the part increase in drop, rates after event... Does that apply to everyone?
alpine yoke
I'm wondering if it takes into account the people who are don't play anymore, cause they probably outnumber those playing 10 to 1
If it expects for us to make up an average of 20k tokens for all the idle accounts, it's never going to unlock
abstract gate
I wonder that myself... Or what about players who can't be in the event? Does this account for those lower lvls that can't be in the event?
tawdry kindle
Like someone said earlier:
If 25% of the players could manage 20k tokens per day, then the bonus unlocks after 4 days...
elder comet
But the average will just get 16200
abstract gate
This may not be the same for others. I am on a US server. If you recall, the US didn't get the event until later on then the rest of the world. We will have the same amount of time, yes, but are they doing this the same for everyone?
elder comet
Per day
abstract gate
unless you buy packs... which they do sell now
alpine yoke
wonder if those even count toward the goal though
elder comet
20k+ is when you get top25 in leaderboard as well
No one knows if tokens from packs count as well
And I don't think many bought them
rapid sky
well they hid it all the way in the middle, I doubt many knows it's there
abstract gate
it could be like mining, you actually have to mine the materials for it to count, not pirate over PL ships.
alpine yoke
I honestly didn't know the packs were there til someone posted a screenshot last night, cause as you said they're in the middle of old packs rather than in the front with the event packs
tawdry kindle
Don’t sweat it to much I’d say. Guaranteed bonus refinery on the last day, and permanent increased outputs after event is over. Is not that bad me thinks...
Unless that permanent increase is like around 5% or so 😂
rapid sky
probably gonna be more like 0.5% 😂
abstract gate
but it never say Gauranteed on the last day...
alpine yoke
"however, regardless of your server's performance, everyone will have access to the bonus module on the last day of the event"
tawdry kindle
I’m not quoting @abstract gate 😋😋
alpine yoke
I missed the part about the buff being permanent too. That's not bad
tawdry kindle
Thanks @alpine yoke
alpine yoke
👍
abstract gate
ok, my mistake, I missed that one line... however, the statements about not being fair to the active players were valid
merry fulcrum
Well we wanted a bonus refinery it'll be interesting to see if we get it
meager wing
How many days left?
merry fulcrum
@meager wing think in us it's 4 after today
abstract gate
if there is a 10:1 inactive:active rate, then that server won't get the increase until the very last day. Is that fair?
meager wing
That’s what I think, too, but there’s no event calendars
tawdry kindle
Yeh, I’m not finding it much fair either given the active/inactive player ratio, but i try to see it in a somewhat similar light as it being a team effort; not with alliance this time, but with whole server... In alliance team efforts always also not everyone partaking, or doing equal parts... 😉
abstract gate
which would be the same for an alliance event
abstract gate
that carries into a server event
merry fulcrum
113.4k per person if you do all milestones each day
frozen willow
There’s also noobs to consider. Ours has a bunch of new players that don’t qualify for event
merry fulcrum
So one person can cover 5.5 people
abstract gate
which would mean that 2 players would need to cover 10 players... Is that fair?
tawdry kindle
Except that you’re 2 days off on those 7 ones; cuz last day is a bonus refinery anyway, so 6th day could “win” earlier; which boils it down to 16.2 times 5, and not 7 😉
merry fulcrum
2 player can cover 11
I wouldn't mind doing 5.5 people, since I need the trit, and dilithium tokens
abstract gate
and there are players on my server that would kill off ships taking part in the event, so people would not finish simply because of pirates. You will not be able to convince the pirates otherwise, so it is still unfair.
the prizes aren't worth the cost, because they can not make up for the amount required for repairs
merry fulcrum
Maybe you should let them know about the benefits if it's reached, see if that'll change their mind, if not, get higher level players involved
tawdry kindle
Well, basically it all boils down to if a server can manage 2 bonus refining days, instead of a guaranteed 1 day...
abstract gate
they know it as well as anyone else
meager wing
Where do you get 16.5k batleth tokens from? Are you averaging all levels?
merry fulcrum
Btw I'm level 22, so it's still a benefitial event for me
@meager wing no milestones put together
abstract gate
I'm 28, it would help a lot...
tawdry kindle
31 here, 16.2k for me solo...
merry fulcrum
It's somewhere around 16k I'll check again
tawdry kindle
16k ish 😂
abstract gate
just round down to 16, then you can be sure you have the numbers right
merry fulcrum
elder comet
Every one is getting 16200 token no matter of lvl. You only need way more pts the higher lvl you are.
The higher your lvl the slightly less does those items cost in store
tawdry kindle
Aye
meager wing
All milestones plus if you finish individually in top 10 you earn more as well as participating in PVP
abstract gate
that's fine
merry fulcrum
13.725+2.475=16k
tawdry kindle
??
inner cave
Is it 20,000 per person or server as a whole as 20,000 would be done very quickly for 2 or three lvl 25’s p
frozen willow
16.2
keen ledge
tawdry kindle
Calculate your last one again please @merry fulcrum 😂
inner cave
Players
keen ledge
Per player
abstract gate
20k/person avgeraged over the entire server
merry fulcrum
@tawdry kindle mb I'm tired rn
inner cave
Ahh average per player
hardy cargo
wouldnt it be easier to just give each realm a counter to reach?
merry fulcrum
Yeah, it was 16.2k
abstract gate
ok, 16.2 * how many days?
merry fulcrum
7 days
inner cave
Caters more to the server with the high lvls in it
abstract gate
113.4
tawdry kindle
No, not 7. 5, tops...
hardy cargo
you get the same number of tokens even if you are a low level
and they are easier to get
frozen willow
How can we have a goal with no indication of progress?
bitter elbow
Is it possible to see the progress somewhere?
merry fulcrum
@inner cave actually it caters to people around level 20 because the milestones are achievable
abstract gate
not that I am aware of
tawdry kindle
7th day already is a bonus refinery one. So could “win” that 6th day, so have 5 days to unlock that 6th one...
elder comet
Lvl24/25 is paying 930 or so for the exact same thing
frozen willow
Same cost for lvl 28
tawdry kindle
850 on lvl31
tawdry kindle
Or anything at all 😂
elder comet
The slightly lower price on those things is in no correlation to the amount of work put in to get same amount of token everyone get. And in addition COOLDOWN..
abstract gate
I'd much rather use the rewards on simple RSS, and take my chances with the one day Refinery... at least I could do refining 2x in a day
inner cave
<@&509691205798592532> would be good for some sort of counters for it
elder comet
The last separatist event was waaaaay better than this one tbh
tawdry kindle
Seen official announcement?
“These are mild increases”, so don’t expect too much of that improved refinery output... 😏
elder comet
Also the content of the chests of the lvl22 were better. They changed it and made it worse now
inner cave
@elder comet because we got too much res last time 😂
merry fulcrum
What used to be in them?
rose cosmos
Call my reaction to the refinery announcement neutral to negative, @twilit imp. Why are we suddenly expected to hit a minimum for something that just showed up before? Particularly when there doesn't appear to be a way for anyone to actually know how close/far we are from getting the reward. Why not provide the bonus refinery as per usual and a super-duper bonus refinery for servers that hit the minimum?
The event is turning into a bust on numerous fronts, whether it's the rewards or this refinery change. The cost to participate is too high for too many players for too little in the way of rewards.
frozen willow
They come up with these events like everyone is max and active. Since our server started, one player has won every single event. In the first hour.
If they increase the refining rate of 0 it’s still 0
Which is the average daily drop of uncommon
nova valley
oh my GOD, you guys are never happy lmao @rose cosmos the refinery is getting a buff. permanently. and you have a chance to earn the super bonus refinery for multiple days. hell we only get it for 24 hours after a mining event, and now ew can get it for 3-4 days!? i simply DON'T understand the negativity ALL the time. i get it sometimes. lol they deserve it. but this is genuinely a good move.
incentivizes activity.
severe bridge
@elder comet I’m level 25 and 1uncommon gas costs 900
nova valley
the only suggestion i would have is to make the competition not server wide, but alliance wide if possible... that way you solve two problems. one, inactives cause they wont' be in an alliance. and two, allows alliances who get it, and work as a team to unlock sooner than the doofus ones full of whiners and complainers..... juss sayin
rose cosmos
Where does it say that the buff is permanent, @nova valley? I think you're misreading what's there. It says the buff will become the baseline for as long as the bonus refinery is available.
If it were permanent, that's a different kettle of fish.
abstract gate
At level 33 refinery is a joke.
Please debug 75k lot as it is a waste of ressources right now.
frozen willow
It will remain after event
nova valley
no, it doesn't... @rose cosmos and i quote "The improved drop rate on the original refinery module will also become permanent after the end of the event"
here's another copy and paste for those that don't trust my typing:
-Activate an Improved version of the current Refinery bundles
-These are mild increases to total refined materials that players will earn.
-These increases will still be available after the event has ended and be the new baseline for the Refinery.
-If a server does not reach the token target, we will still enable these new bundles at the end of the event.
-No one will be left out, this is essentially an early access reward for earning tokens in the event.
rose cosmos
I don't see that sentence in the official announcement.
rose cosmos
But if that's the intent, they can clarify.
nova valley
-Activate an Improved version of the current Refinery bundles
-These are mild increases to total refined materials that players will earn.
||-These increases will still be available after the event has ended and be the new baseline for the Refinery.||
-If a server does not reach the token target, we will still enable these new bundles at the end of the event.
-No one will be left out, this is essentially an early access reward for earning tokens in the event.
well shit that didn't work LMAO, but you can click it. that's the line in question haha
frozen willow
It finally made it to announcements.
nova valley
been in announcments for 16 minutes lol
rose cosmos
Then they should clarify. I don't think it's clear what that actually means. Is the bonus refinery the new baseline? Is this an improved drop rate over the normal amount? Does this just apply to the bonus refinery that will be available after the event has ended?
I write for a living and that sentence is nowhere near as clear as you present it.
Which happens a lot in games - they often don't have professional editors running around to review stuff like this.
nova valley
dude.... @rose cosmos let's try to read the whole thing again....
Commanders,
We’re going to reward servers for active engagement and participation in the event.
We’ll be periodically checking total Bat’Leth tokens earned on each server. When a server hits a 20,000 value of Bat’Leth tokens per player earned across the entire server, we’re going to do the following:
-Activate an Improved version of the current Refinery bundles
-These are mild increases to total refined materials that players will earn.
-These increases will still be available after the event has ended and be the new baseline for the Refinery.
-If a server does not reach the token target, we will still enable these new bundles at the end of the event.
-No one will be left out, this is essentially an early access reward for earning tokens in the event.
-Activate a set of Bonus Refinery bundles
-The Bonus Refinery actions will only award Rare and Uncommon materials.
-These Bonus Refinery actions will only last until the end of the event
-If a server does not meet the target, the Bonus will still be enabled for the last 24 hours of the server so no one will be completely left out.
-Activate an interstitial popup informing servers that have reached their goal that they’ve unlocked the special bonus refinery.
frozen willow
Lol. Too funny. There’s no counter because it depends on them checking the server periodically. Ya. We’re screwed
rose cosmos
I read it three times before posting.
nova valley
ok, so that baseline line is read directly under the CURRENT REFINERY BUNDLE....
the SECOND set of tabs are the details for the BONUS REFINERY BUNDLE....
they are separate... thus, the tabs under the CURRENT refinery bundle, would be the normal, original, regular, every day, run of the mill, punch it every 10 hours, since the beginning of the game, refinery.
i am trying my best lol but i think it's pretty clear.
frozen willow
Wtf does periodically mean exactly? When somebody remembers to check?
rose cosmos
And I'm just saying that it isn't as clear to everyone as it is to you. I hope that you're right and would even suspect that you are. It's just presented/formatted badly.
nova valley
now THAT PART, is perfectly ambiguous @frozen willow i can udnerstand having trouble being clear with that line HAHAHA
and @rose cosmos if panic's announcement was unclear, the one in the game, the new news module or whatever, does use the word "permanent"
"The improved drop rate on the original refinery module will also become permanent after the end of the event"
frozen willow
What if they get stoned and forget. Hey. Wasn’t there something we were supposed to do. Lol. Pass that here
rose cosmos
Haven't checked in-game yet. Maybe the announcement there is better.
frozen willow
It’s not
nova valley
rose cosmos
Yeah, that is clearer.
nova valley
they also announce their intent to "backdate" the tokens already earned. which i know was a question posted earlier.
and based on what @keen ledge said in the other room, they are already filtering out the inactive players, or floating bases, in the calculation, but NOT eliminating sub 26 members... if they are active
keen ledge
Updated answers:
- Does the average exclude dead/inactive players? A: yes it excludes dead/inactive players. To be considered active, they must have logged in during the event.
- Is the average based on higher level players or all? A: the average is based on active players in the server, but has been adjusted to take into account the fact that lower level players will not be collecting unless they level up.
- Will there be a progress tracker visible to players? A: no
frozen willow
rugged laurel
How about cheaper and faster repairs?
autumn dust
The event bores all but now and now you should still be punished if you do not want to shoot monotonously days long ships in the pointlessness, very bad behavior compared to day one players
magic magnet
Your event was SO popular, FIVE people participated. Bring back the previous rewards and Kahn time. Stupid Scopely!
nova valley
i'm sorry, huh? @autumn dust
@magic magnet on our server there were lower numbers than usual too on the pvp, because you could only hit certain levels in certain systems, so in a CRAZY act of self preservation, if that was your "target" system, you just stayed out of it. probably a flaw in how that one was enginnered lol it's not a bad event. pvp is thriving on my server. but this one was poorly engineered, cause peopel are just avoiding the system that they are a "target" in.
magic magnet
The event isn’t bad. The reward are
autumn dust
Sorry my English isn’t good it’s translated with google iam German
magic magnet
Gutter Tag
autumn dust
🖖
nova valley
ehhhh that's arguable. @magic magnet they are NOT as good as last time, i agree. but there's a way to make it work. carol marcus is worth having. i've been working on her. also the saladin or centurion blueprints, also worth it, IF you don't have them yet. if you do, the rares aren't terrible. expensive, but better than anything else.
and if you really strike out, there's always parasteel lol
seriously though, some of my guys are holding them. they will reuse batleth tokens in the future, so some of my guys are banking them for something better next time.
autumn dust
4 bp in 24h is good?
You need to much time for less rewards
Spend a lot of money for nothing
magic magnet
We’re doing the same. Most of us will save them for Carol shards or maybe Kahn next time 😁
autumn dust
For the next time? Lol I need it now to come forward
magic magnet
Faction ships are costly to repair. I don’t like losing three ships to kill one boss. For what? Tokens. 😁
LOL
autumn dust
Iam on lv 31 the only what I do is waiting for better rewards it’s makes me tired off this game no chance to upgrade anything
Buy a pack of 109€ makes nothing different still waiting
magic magnet
I agree Ruwa. A lot of us have spent a lot of money already. We don’t want to spend more on rss for essentially no reward; at least compared to last event.
109€ wow!
$99.99 here
autumn dust
I playing this game since day one in Germany, it’s start last November and i was all the time quiet but enough is enough
dark badger
109€ = $99.99 - exchange rate of American dollar to Euro.
royal horizon
How do we know which server we are on?
untold token
Did any server unlock the bonus already?
long slate
@can some explain the logic with this event reward?
dark badger
@royal horizon I have same question... Hivemind had that info as I recall, but now... No Hivemind no reference.
long slate
autumn dust
Make money
magic magnet
109€ is about $125
long slate
How is this remotely useful for a level 28 player?
magic magnet
@dark badger
long slate
Make money how?
autumn dust
Let them players pay the 20 different packs
magic magnet
The euro has a greater value than the Dollar
long slate
No one’s going spend money for 1 uncommon refined material
magic magnet
😁
magic magnet
Not I
dark badger
@magic magnet I stand corrected... Converted the wrong way me thinks.
autumn dust
I agree iam so much pissed off
magic magnet
Why is it so expensive in Europe?
hushed hornet
It's the same with apple purchases... it's their exchange rate. Perhaps because they can't change prices too often so they fixed them in a way that will always be a good exchange rate (for them) regardless of the actual value of the dollar against the euro...
autumn dust
The Europe stores are all the time expensiver like the us
abstract gate
potent hound
Thank you @abstract gate, I'm removing my post.
abstract gate
You're welcome 👍
So... servers are going to be rewarded for participating in a crappy event?
Sounds a bit like extortion: "We know the event sucks, but we want to juke the stats!"
hollow oriole
"we are goign to force everyone to do this trash or ELSE!"
abstract gate
chat: rewards not enough
scope: adds bonus refinery milestone + improved default refinery
chat:
hollow oriole
what about the bonus refinery that never happened during the double-header mining event a few weeks back?
or the fact that they are blocking (most) of the promised refinery behind an avg 20k/person token requirement
if their data says that event participation is very low...make the event itself better
abstract gate
it was never promised
its an incentive for people to play
and lastly, see above meme
thorny gust
@abstract gate can you see why the playerbase would be upset? first on the double mining, while not promised in the previous mining event, i think everyone had a reasonable expectation it would happen since it was in two prior.
second, having a reward based on server participation which a player has no control over seems capricious and we have no way of knowing how close/far we are from target
third, this announcement is happening halfway through the event. why now and not at the beginning?
for me, it makes me wonder what competence level scopely tolerates as a company
spark chasm
Bad event poorly done imo
native geode
Does it mean that a player that can spend time and money in event helps the poorer players. ??? 20 thou per player per server. I have limited time online as other things like college work more important. !!! Only got a few thou not 29 thou?
charred prawn
seems likely we're just gonna be fobbed off now the refinery makes this event "amazing" 😂
sarcastic responses from the mods are exactly what we need
native geode
No one knows how many on server?? Say 10,000 ×20,000 that means extorting players and victimisation of lower players if sever don't make the 2000,000
Or what ever it is
keen ledge
whooshing magic sound Someone asked for a sarcastic mod?
rough frost
@native geode
Current Event / Refinery Clarification:
- Does the average exclude dead/inactive players? A: yes it excludes dead/inactive players. To be considered active, they must have logged in during the event.
I hightly doubt any server had 10k active players
low berry
Is it just me or i think they make cooldown longer??
I could take two bps for Carol now only one
I could take two rare Crystal now only one
rough frost
The cooldown have his own cooldown. .. after a 24h I could take a new bp and got a 4h cooldown. In 4h if I dont sleep will see what I get
charred prawn
@keen ledge there's a time and a place events discussion with players still pointing out the event sucks even with this addition doesn't make it seem like issues are being taken seriously
keen ledge
I don't see any truly sarcastic comments in here, truthfully. My morning was spent obtaining clarification on urgent questions for players.
I personally don't like this event, and the feedback has been shared with the appropriate teams as I have said numerous times today.
meager galleon
@keen ledge thanks for your efforts 😃
keen ledge
I can tell they're appreciated.
charred prawn
@keen ledge was more aimed at the giant pikachu that is sitting slightly above 😛
keen ledge
Oh I am not scrolling up. Pikachu is creepy.
exotic bane
@keen ledge. Appreciate what you do... you have a tough job. Keep telling scopely, they suck....
thorny gust
i appreciate the updated info in the faq's. collectively, we may not like the answers, but it's great to have an official source
keen ledge
The entire mod team tries. We're all players. We care about the game too. We can't always inspire the change we want to see, though.
violet anchor
@abstract gate i must not be understanding this correctly, I fail to see how we can have an average of 20k tokens per player when the solo is 16.2k total. And the alliance event won’t give u much. The solo leaderboard is only 25 players can get more..
charred prawn
easy to undo that hardwork though if we get responses not believing that we're not kissing scopelys feet because they've thrown us a tiny bone
exotic bane
@keen ledge. Can you see why hostiles spawn rates are nerfed today? Much slower, than first two days
violet anchor
@keen ledge too early for me to think. Need coffee
keen ledge
Are people camping the spawn spots?
That seems to make things slower, although I have no proof of that.
dark badger
AH, but being a MOD on a totally different game I must ask: Are the MODs actually listened to by the Devs or is it like the Place where I "play MOD" that we send it to our "Immediate Liason leader who in turns shuffles it slowly to the Server Leader, who sorts and trashes most ideas, comments, suggestions, then sends it to the Dev Rep who further filters then finally to the Devs who take them and promptly file them in File 13?
keen ledge
We have a separate Discord with representatives from both the Scopley and Digit side, including dev.
exotic bane
Was camping other days too.... feels different today, others have noticed too
keen ledge
Hmm. I will ask if they've changed it.
dark badger
Yeah we supposedly do too... It's broke badly... Just sayin'
quasi lion
Got a world class mod there in John 🤣
dark badger
John ... Me or referring to another?
dark badger
AH.. OK.. I was like how does s/he know my actual personal?? LOL
keen ledge
Maybe I should change my nickname to T-X after the female Terminators.
soft stratus
here's the thing that frustrates me about this update to the event there are a bunch of players that left the game yet they are still there
Because the devs do not remove players that have ceased to play the game or that are inactive everybody else has to try to make up the slack for this event that's kind of crap
it basically boils down to no servers going to make that Target but we're going to try to encourage players to buy a bunch of tokens because it's just a way to make more money
modest oyster
Fantastic that instead of fixing the event which is pure hot garbage (rewards are terrible). They throw the bonus refinery as a carrot on the stick.
tall horizon
Faq says its only players that have logged in during the event that count twords the average @soft stratus
soft stratus
But as we all know there are algorithms don't actually work for anything
charred prawn
and we have no way to track it
soft stratus
Like the random green highlights in your alliance members since the update to the alliance page that don't mean anything
I assume that they intended to program them to show who was online but currently nobody knows what they're supposed to do so it's actually a broken feature in the game
charred prawn
add it to the list 😂
modest oyster
Yup no transparency towards progress because it’s a bandaid fix. Fix the core event.
soft stratus
Yes the exceedingly long and getting longer every day list
tall horizon
So then wait til the last day and you will have it. Its better then nothing
modest oyster
Throwing in bonus refinery is not addressing the core issue with the event.
charred prawn
and they seem pretty tone deaf to the complaints
soft stratus
they're deftone to events because the game is created in such a manner to try to get the maximum amount of money out of players possible would doing the least amount of effort
charred prawn
it seems pretty obivous that the mods are surprised we still aren't happy
soft stratus
And when you set the exchange rates for events to such astronomically high values it completely nullified even wanting to do the event for most people it seems in completely pointless
Why waste a ton of repair tokens and latinum for an event where the rewards won't get you anything
tall horizon
Yes the event rewards still suck and im just going to save my tokens but having a bonus refinery even for just a day is a win in my book
soft stratus
The problem with the refining thing is that they said it's a mild increase
A tiny itty-bitty sliver of an increase
tall horizon
Thats the regular refinery i thought...?
charred prawn
technically a 0.1% increase is still an increase
soft stratus
Yes but that's dangling a rotten nasty ass carrot in front of us to try to get us to do the event
It's technically still a carrot
charred prawn
I think the issue is if they give us the numbers we then discover they've screwed it up somewhere
hollow oriole
a 0.1% increase and a 10% increase are both increases, but one will make your playerbase happy and the other will make them sharpen pitchforks
tall horizon
Yeah youre wrong. The regular refinery will go up but there is ALSO the bonus refinery that only gives uc and rare
charred prawn
well they'll just say it was a 10% increase and declare we must be getting unlucky
abstract gate
10% increase on 10 uncommon is 1... not actually that great lol
soft stratus
The way they explain how the game mechanics works is that pretty much everything works on a pseudo state
Kind of like when the lottery is drawn
charred prawn
which is exactly what they did with the repairs said they'd put it back and declared we were wrong when challenged about it
soft stratus
if you do something in a batch it pulls from the same group of numbers but if you do individual it keeps pulling from a new set of numbers
the problem is the way that they're doing things you don't have a finite set of numbers you're pulling from when you do larger batches the pool of numbers you're pulling from also gets larger there for your odds actually decrease
charred prawn
@soft stratus no idea if that's right or not not enough info
soft stratus
These are actually things coming directly from scopely to members of my
Alliance
they're incredibly vague about how they do things but they do state that pretty much everything is based on a pseudo state in the game
Which is what I just explained above
charred prawn
doesn't mean that's how it's actually coded I'm not sure they actually know
and wouldn't surprise me if it was bugged but hidden
soft stratus
The way that the algorithms work are like this I'll give you an example using loot chests
When you open up a single-loop chest based upon the level of the hostile or play your ship type that you killed determines what pool of numbers you want to pulling from for that particular loot chest possible reward
Like pulling a single ball in the lottery
If you go after a different level range hostile or a different kind of player ship you're pulling from a totally separate pile of numbers
if you continue to hit the same level range hostiles and the same player ship types and you accumulate more loot chests from that set of numbers
so when you open up the maximum batch of 50 chests that once you're pulling all 50 chests from the same set of numbers
Meaning your odds increase for every chest opened in that batch but only in that batch
if you open up something separately it opens up from a separate set of numbers or a different batch all together so you reset the algorithm
charred prawn
so for the batches if you get unlucky and pull a 1 you get that on all batches and get common but if you pull a 10 you get that on them all instead and get rares
soft stratus
With the refinery however it works slightly different because instead of having a finite number that you're pulling from each time that you increase the batch size you increase the overall number in that batch
another words the odds are the same for each individual piece of resource that's pulled instead of working from a finite batch of numbers
So basically you were re-rolling every single time
That's why it is possible to do the largest refinement amount and still wind up with no uncommons and no rares
And do the smallest refinement batch amount and wind up with 3 or 5
Your eyes do not increase by increasing the batch size
The only benefit that it truly presents in this game is time
charred prawn
so rather than getting 3 rolls you basically multiply one roll by 3
soft stratus
here's the funny thing it's not just the type of materials that you're getting but also the number of materials that you're getting that every single time that it rolls it is within a number range that resets each time
charred prawn
that's just lazy
soft stratus
It's like say rolling the dice to see each individual unit just see what rarity of resources you're going to get and then rolling the dice again to see how many of those resources you're going to get
And the second roll is contingent upon the first
charred prawn
then for multiple batches rather than rolling 3 dice they just multiply the dice by 3
soft stratus
I know you would actually get better odds if you multiplied
It's more like if it's a batch of 50,000 you're rolling 50,000 dice to see what resource type your get then you're rolling another 50,000 dice to see how many
That's how I odds work the more participants in something the lower the odds are of winning
charred prawn
yeh but you seem to be suggesting that if you did 2 batches it still pulls from the same pool so effectively multiplying it
soft stratus
if you do two batches it would only be two dice if you did three batches it would be three dice if you did 50,000 batches to be 50,000 dice
What I'm saying is that it is not cumulative
Your odds do not increase in the refinery but they do with loot chests
Two totally separate types of algorithms
In the refinery your odds actually decrease
charred prawn
ah I see your point its not quite what I though based on that I'm not sure your odds decrease they would still be the same
dire basin
Very illuminating discussion.. Thank you sej (and morkian)
soft stratus
You don't understand what odds are
charred prawn
unless you're saying you can only get the result once in mutiple batches
it's mainly sej 😛
soft stratus
If you were to throw one rotten apple into a batch of 50 apples your odds are 1 in 50 that you get the Apple
If you throw that rotten apple into a batch of 100 apples your odds are 1 in 100
When you increase your batch size you increase the batch size
Meaning you lower your odds
But instead of it being something tangible that you can actually touch each individual item in that batch has the odds of 1 in 50,000
charred prawn
you can only decrease your odds if you could only get the result once
soft stratus
Not accumulative like a tangible thing like an apple
it's like if you had a batch of apples and each apple was basically Schrodinger's cat both alive and dead at the same time
it's not stating that when you do a batch you are rolling for the total number know you are rolling each individual based upon the total number
So every unit is a reroll
So your eyes when it being like this for one item if there are two possibilities you have a fifty-fifty chance of getting the higher
If you have two items each item as a 50-50 chance which means your total odds of getting it go down to 25%
They do not stay at 50/50 because every item has a 50-50 chance there for your total odds get reduced in half
The more times you increase the number of iterations you reduce your odds
charred prawn
not sure how that lowers your odds then you still have the same odds it's just costing you way more
soft stratus
This is the entire concept behind gambling
the cost is relevant to your eyes because it is the direct correlation between them it's the value for whatever you're putting in that's what odds are
charred prawn
still not sure how it lowers your odds as you are suggesting you get 3 rolls at the same odds it's just the 3 rolls cost you way more than a single roll
soft stratus
I know statistical analysis is a little hard for some people to wrap their minds around
lavish elk
"When a server hits a 20,000 value of Bat’Leth tokens per player earned across the entire server" ääähhmmmm 50% of the Player are inaktiv or left the game.. so no server will get it befor the event ends...
soft stratus
What odds are has a direct correlation to cost. It's number of entries versus the output. entries cost
charred prawn
yeh I see I think we're talking past each other slightly 😛
soft stratus
You're saying that it cost more in this game to roll for a higher number
What I'm saying is even if it didn't cost you more your odds still decrease
elder comet
I am proud to be able to say. Got enough ns bp now to build it. Finally
charred prawn
nah I'm saying it's costs more to get the rolls per unit timeframe
rough frost
@lavish elk
Current Event / Refinery Clarification:
- Does the average exclude dead/inactive players? A: yes it excludes dead/inactive players. To be considered active, they must have logged in during the event.
elder comet
Just took me awhile. But at least with 26 I have it 😂😂😂😂
charred prawn
if you do 1 batch you get 1 roll if you do 3 batches you get 3 rolls nothing you've suggested there would change the odds unless you could only get a result once
soft stratus
Ooo you're a juice raid target
😂😂😂
You're completely misunderstanding what odds are
charred prawn
not on my server 😭
soft stratus
If you can only get one result once it would guarantee that you would get every result
elder comet
Lol. Should have seen me with lvl22. 120m+ par 40m trit 8m dili. 😂😂😂
soft stratus
You would be for sure able to calculate what kind of resource is you're going to get
charred prawn
if there are 10 results and you only get 3 rolls then no you couldn't
soft stratus
Which means your eyes would increase dramatically because you could guarantee you're going to get
lavish elk
@rough frost Thanks.. would be great if @twilit imp add this to the offiacal text 😉 or it will lost and some more will will ask for it
elder comet
And completely free to play. 0€$£ spent
soft stratus
This is not the case because you cannot guarantee you're going to get something every single roll you have the same odds per roll therefore your total odds are reduced
rough frost
@lavish elk it s in the faq ;-)
charred prawn
but you do get something every roll it just might be bad
soft stratus
Okay let me explain it like this so maybe you can understand it better
If I were to flip a quarter 5 times what are the odds that I'm going to get heads
For one flip I have a 50-50 chance of getting heads
lavish elk
@rough frost oh.. FAQ is new.. my Standar position covert it xD
severe bridge
@charred prawn actually 1 batch is two pulls. 2 batches is 4. Review the results and review the available options and you can confirm that.
rough frost
🤣👍
soft stratus
However if I flip the quarter twice my chances of both times being heads is only 25%
charred prawn
yeh we're simplifying slightly
soft stratus
If I flip it three times my chances of getting heads 3 times goes down to half of that
severe bridge
Either way the results are generally not good, but it was an helpful for me to understand the odds a bit better
soft stratus
Each and every time I flip that quarter my chances of it being heads again cuts in half
so when you're talking about a large group happening all at one time you're talking about the overall odds of getting positive results
charred prawn
no the chance is still 50/50 on the individual flip
soft stratus
So each individual iteration in a batch lowers your odds over all of positive results
Well you're technically correct that your odds are still 50/50 / flip that's not what we're talking about
charred prawn
if you flip heads 10 times in a row there is still a 50/50 chance your 11th flip is head
soft stratus
You're disconnecting from the idea that things are run is a total set
dire basin
No morkian 5 flips at 50/50 each is only 25% to get a heads
soft stratus
If you have to flip that quarter 100 times and you are needing heads the most number of times that's what we're talking about
charred prawn
you're applying cumulative odds and using it to predict in a gamblers fallacy i.e it was red 6 times therefore I'm gonna put money on black
soft stratus
That's exactly what's happening in the refinery man
The cumulative odds are what the refinery uses
Exactly like gambling
Because you were not able to stop or separate the number of iterations that you take you are stuck with gambling odds
carmine lily
which is why the 2 batches is always better than 3, becuase the total odds in 3 are lower, but the total amount in 1 is lower.
dire basin
So less statistical risk doing a single batch vs 3 batch in refinery
soft stratus
the only benefit and I repeat the only benefit to larger batch sizes in the refinery is time the cool-down period between refining
carmine lily
It's very likely a very messy probability and multiplication algorithm.
That is correct
soft stratus
Considering that you have gambling odds in addition to increase cost per batch the larger batch sizes are very cost-effective
Ineffective
charred prawn
yeh I'm not disagreeing with you there but you seem to be implying an odds drop in the larger batches that just doesnt occur unless you are basing it on raw materials which is a really bad way to analyse it
if I do a 3 batch refine I should get the same results over time compared to 3 1 batch refines but the 3 batch refines are much more expensive but they take less time
soft stratus
It actually plays a part in to why the odds are lowered and why their lowered so much more dramatically
Well the our roles are based upon the number of batches the cost does not tie in directly
Because the cost increases per individual roll you actually have lower odds per unit
Without taking into consideration the number of times you roll
granite cobalt
@charred prawn that is my understanding of how the refinery should work.
soft stratus
And when you do take into consideration the number of times you roll that also decreases your odds
Which is why there's such a dramatic decrease in output in the larger batches
charred prawn
yeh but using the raw input costs as your basis and therefore using that to say the odds are lower is incorrect
the odds are the same you just pay a lot more
soft stratus
There are two reasons why the odds are lower one is around material cost and two because the number of batches that you do also decreases your odds so both things are decreasing your odds independently of each other
But because the input in the output are tied directly into odds yes it does decrease your odds
dire basin
And the detail sej described shows why refinery returns are often so poor for unrefined
charred prawn
yeh but from an assessment of the system overall 1 3 batch is equal to 3 1 batches so your odds don't change
soft stratus
Then you need to define your parameters of what you believe the odds are
charred prawn
the only way the odds could change is if there is a set pool of figures that are pulled from and you can't get the same result twice
soft stratus
I'm defining the parameters as such your odds of getting uncommon or rare
Your odds of collecting uncommon or rare is like having a 20-sided Dice and saying that 1 and 20 are the only numbers that you can hit for collecting an uncommon or rare
well your odds increase of eventually hitting that number the more times you roll your odds of getting that number multiple times decreases
I think that's where you're getting the disconnect here
You're saying that your number increases the number of times you do of getting anything ever and you're correct
But we're talking about here is volume
The total number of times that you get a positive result not the fact that eventually you get a positive result
So how many uncommon or rare that you're going to get goes down when you do more batches at once
Talking about overall return upon the number of resources you spent
charred prawn
yeh but that's pretty obvious
soft stratus
It's not obvious to everybody
charred prawn
3 batches are way more expensive than 3 1 batches
soft stratus
a lot of people actually believe that they will get a larger number of uncommon or rare if they do larger bat sizes until they do it and find out that's not the case because each individual batch rerolls
charred prawn
yeh but that doesn't reduce the odds
soft stratus
Even if individual batches cost the same amount across every single batch size you would still have a greater return of investment doing smaller batch sizes
charred prawn
that can only occur if options are removed once selected from the pool there are only about 8 outcomes from the refinery
soft stratus
If options were removed you could calculate exactly how to get the resources you need
You would actually be a better system
Loot chest actually work kind of like that but it pulls from smaller groups of possible outcomes within certain tiers
charred prawn
if you don't change the options then whether you do a 3 batch or 3 1 batches then the odss are the same but you have a massively increased cost for the 3 batches vs a massively increased time for the 3 1 batches
soft stratus
Yes time being a factor here
charred prawn
so when I do 1 batch I get about half the mats I get from 2 batches
soft stratus
Like I stated previously the only current advantage with how they have things set up and doing a larger batch is time
If each batch individually no matter how many batches you did at once have the same cool down. It wouldn't be a factor
dire basin
Time and having a larger sample set size
soft stratus
But because refining anyting has the same cool down period it does
There is one other element we haven't even discussed yet and that's the scaling based upon player level
charred prawn
but that only results in a decrease in odds if your using the raw material cost as a factor in the calculations so while technically true to say the odds are decreased that is only because of the increased cost and not because the chances of getting uncommons goes down in 3 batches
soft stratus
That the odds shift slightly when you increase your refinery level
You're still looking at odds individually and I'm still looking at odds cumulatively
Like I've said and we'll repeat one more time I'm looking at total amounts
Total output is what I'm interested in
charred prawn
yeh but total output is pretty meaningless unless you have infinite time
soft stratus
and your odds in the refinery don't just speak to the type of material you get out but the amount of material you get out as well
You're rolling multiple times for the same unit
First you're rolling to see what kind of material are getting
Then you're rolling again to see how much of that material you are getting
Then you talking about the pre-programmed odds in amounts as well.
Because you always have output your aunts are based upon the amount and type of output you get
You will have 100% chance of getting something
I understand what you were saying what I am saying is your odds of receiving a positive or high output
Like flipping a quarter and getting heads every time output
charred prawn
yeh but you're assuming a fixed amount of starting material then trying to determine the most efficient way to get uncommon so 1 batch will always be the best way because it's the cheapest but the odds for getting uncommon on 2 or 3 batch do not change
soft stratus
You're saying of getting at all I'm saying of having a higher number of output
You're correct your odds don't change of getting any uncommon
charred prawn
which was my point
soft stratus
I'm saying your odds of getting a greater number of uncommon
charred prawn
if you process 100 batches then however you process them you should have almost the same amount of output
soft stratus
Like when I used the quarter analogy way back in the conversation I'm talking about total number of times heads comes up not the fact that heads comes up at all
I'll speak extremely playing then you will get more uncommon doing smaller batches each time the total number that you'll receive over any set. Of time no matter what number you set that time as will be higher
Your total output for a positive result increases if you only do smaller batches
charred prawn
only if you're accounting for the batch cost
soft stratus
Real basic if you're looking for uncommon or rare don't do bigger batches. The amount that you get overtime will always be lower than if you just do smaller batches
dire basin
Sej so do you do refinery 1 batch or 2 mostly?
soft stratus
Yes I only do smaller or the medium
dire basin
👌
charred prawn
if you do 1 batch you get x, if you do 2 batches you get 2x if you do 3 batches you get 3x
dire basin
Same
soft stratus
But that's not how it works
You won't get three times the result
Your overall output per batch is actually reduced
charred prawn
the only way that can be the case is if options are removed from the pool once selected so if you get the rare on the first batch of a 3 batch you can't get it in the remaining 2 batches
soft stratus
what you're not understanding is are two separate numbers going in they are using the total number of resources going in as the pool of numbers you're pulling from not the number of batches
Which is why the odds are reduced
You're saying that this batch has this many odds of getting this into same for every batch no matter how many batches you do at once which is not correct
That would actually make sense it would be a good way to do this but that's not how they do it
The number of materials you put in actually dictates the number of roles you have to take
charred prawn
but that's not possible else you get results that are not in the rewards table for the refinery
soft stratus
The number of times you roll per batch increases
It's really simple math guy it is not impossible
It's simply how many materials you have to use divided up into the number of batches using and that's how many times you roll for each batch
The one batch roll is rolled differently than the two batch roll or the three batch roll
In your eyes of getting higher results on the higher batches increase with refinery level
Anyways
On to other things
The refinery sucks this event is dumb they're just trying to make money end of story
charred prawn
news at 11? 😛
wanton cloud
@soft stratus based on my own results, and how scopely previously explained it, that's simply not true
1 batch does 2 rolls, 2 batches does 4 rolls, 3 batches does 6 rolls, number of batches, or resources spent do not increase your odds or amount of resources gained in any way
but as you level up, the "chance" rewards increase in size, so each roll gives more
soft stratus
Based upon actually statical data and correspondence with scopely that is how it works
wanton cloud
scopely explained how it works in an ama not that long ago
soft stratus
Do you actually log every time you use the refinery
and by the way scopely also says a lot of things that simply are not true they also give different players different responses
wanton cloud
more batches does not increase chances, just allows you to get resources faster by wasting huge amounts of raw matterial
soft stratus
That's a round about way of saying your odds decrease per unti
wanton cloud
i've use the refinery all the time, and i regularly do 2 batches, all it ever does is do give you 4 rewards instead of 2
soft stratus
Unit*
wanton cloud
odds do not change lol
merry fulcrum
It's just a extra roll
soft stratus
It seems you've completely missed the concept of what was said
wanton cloud
1 batch gives 2 rolls (ie 2 of the "chance" rewards)
2 batches gives 4 chance rewards
soft stratus
You're getting stuck on semantics and not facts
wanton cloud
i'm really not
soft stratus
Cost per unit of raw materials used
wanton cloud
per unit spent yes, that's competely true..
the only reason i ever use more than 2 batches is with gas where i have way more than anything else
soft stratus
Therefore because you're working with a finite number of raw materials your overall output per cost will increase dramatically by doing smaller batches the only thing that will be affected is unit per time
because time is such a huge factor in this game they Bank upon players trying to take shortcuts in the amount of time it will take for them to gather resources
However given a set amount of time say maybe 10 days if you consistently everyday only did small or medium-sized batches your total number of uncommon and rare would increase over those who did just large batches
wanton cloud
except that if you use an increased number of batches, you'll very quickly run out of raw matterial, and won't have really gained anything
soft stratus
And at the end of the day the people who did the smaller batches will be able to do more batches
Therefore your odds of getting a positive result being uncommon or rare materials decreases with larger batches if you're talking about total number not just getting them
It's the odds of continuous positive results
This game is run identically to a casino
wanton cloud
per amount of raw matterial spent yes, of course, but the technical odds aren't really changing, just the amount of raw matterial that get's wasted
charred prawn
that was my point too
soft stratus
Almost every aspect of this game is run just like gambling
charred prawn
if you have 150k mats then 3 batches just gets you 3 rolls but 1 batch will get you 20
wanton cloud
it's technically 6 rolls then but yes
charred prawn
but the actual odds don't change
soft stratus
You're assuming that each batch get you a set amount of resources and it doesn't
wanton cloud
each batch gives you 2 rewards from the list
soft stratus
again I will repeat once more that one batch does not equal this amount of resources you are rolling once again to see how many resources are getting in addition to the type
This is why when you refine you don't consistently get the same numbers
wanton cloud
i don't think that's how it works, there is just not an equal chance between the rewards it lists is all
soft stratus
At least I don't consistently get the same numbers of resources
charred prawn
yeh because there are a few chances of the same quality rewards just different numbers of that reward
soft stratus
I understand what you're saying but it still leak waste of the same thing say you're rolling for 20 different possible outcomes each one of those outcomes is a different amount
charred prawn
you can see the possibilities when you go to refine
soft stratus
Sorry my voice-to-text thing is retarded and doesn't like to actually type what I say
charred prawn
so I have a chance at something like 25 40 or 50 common 3 5 or 10 uncommon and 1 or 2 rare
wanton cloud
you get 2 of the rewards in the list for every batch
they can be of the same type or different
soft stratus
The list is just an easier way to calculate the odds
wanton cloud
but those rewards most definitely do not have an equal chance
soft stratus
But it kind of works like this say you have a 20-sided Dice and each number corresponds with one reward
charred prawn
I've never had anything that wasn't 2 rolls off the options given
soft stratus
But five of those numbers correspond to the same reward
Your odds of getting that reward are substantially higher
That's how the refinery works
Yes it post from a list but certain items on the list are repeated more than others
charred prawn
yeh that just means the odds of those are more likely it doesn't mean the odds drop as you do more batches
wanton cloud
think of it like there are 1000 possible rewards (but only 10 unique rewards), there might be 1 of the 3*Rare, 3 of 1xRare, 200 of 17xcommon, etc
soft stratus
Exactly
The thing that both of you seem to be getting tripped up in cuz I'm not saying that your ads are reduced point blank I'm saying that your odds of a positive result are statistically lower
Another words getting that one out of a thousand every single roll
charred prawn
only if you account for materials used
wanton cloud
@soft stratus i was honestly saying the same thing, but in a different way
soft stratus
it kind of has boiled down to this every time that somebody speaks with scopely or they explain something they whitewash it in a manner to try to confuse people into believing something that isn't actually the truth
And well what they say might not be a direct lie it is deceitful
saying that it pulls from a list of 20 possible rewards isn't telling the whole truth if your list is 1000 lines long
charred prawn
nothing I have experienced makes me think the odds are lower for the higher batches they are just way less efficient at getting those rewards
soft stratus
while you are technically correct in saying that there are 20 unique rewards that you could get it's not actually telling people the truth
charred prawn
you seem to be equating efficiency with odds