how about level then?
#🏆-event-chat
devout talon
it's the same why rares are not in the shops for low level players, to gate upgrades and prevent ships too strong at lower levels
coral oak
Hey, guys! Any idea if I can switch factions? I accidentally selected the wrong faction when I switched apps!
light pumice
what system do I need to go to for the BH event? I am PAWN status and so far no attacks in Terazon-X31
winged tulip
Just go to a low level system and grind out 200 kills. The bounty hunter spawns are so infrequent it's not worth trying for..
light pumice
I can just park my kumari for an hour and go to lunch. come back and event will be complete. So far they havent attacked. Do I need to have aug crew on board?
winged tulip
Everyone else in system will be killing the bounty hunters going towards your ship - and it doesn't trigger often. My kumari got an attack message twice before they stopped attacking - warping out and in seems to trigger it again. It sucks that it's just a grind, but it's the only way i can see to complete it - i'll be levelling my northstar a bit on the grind!
brittle oar
@twilit imp i wanna leave positive feedback on the current officer event (leaderbord) - it has very decent rewards and very decent bracketing 👍
pulsar solstice
You can't just expect to park your ship in a system and have bounty hunters bounce off it. Others will pick off bounty hunters trying to hit your ship if they can take it.
wispy drum
Anyone know where to get “uncommon” plutonium for the BB part 4 mission?
wispy drum
All I see is the “common” plutonium that’s on the daily timer. Do we need to be at a higher rating to get offered the uncommon? I’m still at pawn I believe
potent igloo
You have to be ops level 24 to see uncommon, and I believe 30 to see rare.
upper knot
Anyone know the last day we can trade in Khan tokens?
potent igloo
Most likely the last day of this event cycle. so probably 4/27 or it could be at the end of the Alliance Augment Event in 16 days
ruby lion
if you think they are going to continue giving out tokens after the event store is closed then you need some help
meager galleon
Anyone found out how to get rid of the constant alliance event completion spam?
ruby lion
you mean like the points keep popping up?
meager galleon
No, the vent button on the right side keeps telling me I’ve won khan credits and to collect, click collect get nothing
Any time I tab in and out of application it comes back
Going into chat screen in game and back out. It’s there again
So it’s a constant annoyance telling me I’ve won stuff and haven’t
ruby lion
no idea
upper knot
My question wasn't about getting more tokens it was about cashing them in. Several recent events had cash in options that were available after the applicable events ended.
abstract gate
But hey.... just to keep them busy and make sure they dont fix the bugs🙈
kindred canyon
I suspect the email is more effective
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Ha, it would be nice to turn them on to actually get some 😆
abstract gate
😂
autumn hill
Who has more than 2255?
errant blade
Lol, 22 and 32k
Your events give higher rep points when you complete I guess
Because I have completed the events every time
thin jasper
Level 27 rep 87k
winged tulip
21k rep lvl25, 130 credits per token.
abstract gate
lv38 rep 143k
hollow spoke
👆 same with Level 31 and 162k reputation.
hardy parcel
Same 30 and 160k rep.
low heath
2670 credits too, Lvl 33, Rep 201k
hardy parcel
@abstract gate level 38?! Nice one 😎👍
abstract gate
@here . Anyone done the Botany Bay mission ? Do I have to wait until I finished mission 8 ( collect 150 rare plutonium) before beginning the upgrades ?
yes, the common and uncommon subtract from your count so i presume the rare does also
chilly venture
I don't see any justifiable reason that I cannot buy rare plutonium at ops28. I could understand if it was rep dependant, but ops dependant in addition is just a slap in the face tbh
It is not explained in any way beforehand, and I would be rightly mad if I bought a BB upgrade pack to speed the process, except to be blocked anyway because of rare plutonium.
minor bloom
@chilly venture That’s why I’m upset. At level 20 I bought the pack to upgrade, now I need uncommon to keep going but can’t get it till level 24 ops according to everyone. So I got resources to spend but now where for them to go.
minor bloom
Yeah, it’s rep and ops level based
I need uncommon, which unlocks at 24 but I’m level 20 so it’s gonna be a while lol
autumn hill
Read our talk ☝🏻 earlier. More reputation - more credits
abstract gate
You need to be ops 30 before rare is available in the faction store.
hallow fog
@twilit imp is it safe to say this 30 day event will come up again?
I’m not able to obtain 60 tokens in 30 days.
Just looking for advise if I should back the tokens or spend them at the end of the event. 🖖🏻
narrow yoke
@hallow fog my understanding is that the Loyalty program is an ongoing feature to reward players who play frequently and complete all of the daily missions consistently. My analysis (lvl 28) is that there are benefits to the 30 vs the 7 day loyalty chest, but it’s close. The 7 day chest has a few more uncommon for me, while the 30 day has a few rares. So to me, it seems like the 30 is worth waiting for.
There doesn’t seem to be an obvious benefit to waiting to save up 60 tokens.
abstract gate
The 30 also has more and better recruit tokens, more speed ups and latinum...it's overall a better choice unless you need uc fast...moot point for me as a lvl28 mono-faction player at associate rank...can't kill 34/35 faction ships so can't get the last 5 points needed for final milestone
Also can't tank my rep without forgoing mining g3 gas for a month whilst burning millions of tritanium wrecking my ships on allied faction ships...whole loyalty system punishes the most loyal players (spenders)
autumn hill
@abstract gate same kakashka
abstract gate
Also #payflowersucks
@twilit imp the loyalty system needs reworking...either increase the points for faction dailys or move the token down one milestone...the higher level players that have put considerable amounts of money into the game (often to advance a faction and gain access to ships) are the most loyal by any definition yet they are the least likely to benefit from it.
keen ledge
Or more daily options.... not tied to factions. 😃
autumn hill
I can’t now get fraction points to get their ships. Kill 25 lvl 33 . Bull kaka for lvl 28
Yesterday is was 31. That’s was ok
Why did it change at night is a surprise
keen ledge
That's why I'd like more dailies that aren't faction related. Or maybe faction but more versatile than just mining / hostiles.
As far as when it changes, I've always thought it was at reset, which for me, is at night. So your ops levels up during the day, but the next reset is when your dailies adjust. I think.
abstract gate
It changes halfway through each rep level as well as at each new status...new dailys will appear the following reset
My problem in a nutshell
autumn hill
Wow, I got an answer from support
abstract gate
In order to make just the 10xlvl34 it would cost me 2mil tritanium a day in repairs...
abstract gate
Either the loyalty reward needs to reflect that cost or more/better options for higher level players neex to be put 8nto place
@autumn hill its not a bug, the dailys increase halfway through each rep status as well as at each new status
I assume you are consort with around 1.25mil rep?
abstract gate
No...for the third time, they increase at the halfway point to next rep status...
autumn hill
Why do they call it an issue then?
abstract gate
Because support are clueless retards with no real information on the game just scripted responses
autumn hill
Agree
abstract gate
If you want actual answers to questions/issues you are better off asking here. The <@&509691205798592532> are all players and have a wealth of experience and knowledge between them and many of the other regulars here know their shit too.
Oh and sometimes @twilit imp is helpful too
keen ledge
^I like this player. 😁
delicate moth
He gets today's star player award 🏆 ⭐
abstract gate
Is it a working payflower?
delicate moth
Now c'mon, be realistic 😜😂
abstract gate
Ok more than 3 uc a day from refinery?....
delicate moth
Now you're just being silly.... 😉
abstract gate
Fuzzy dice for my kumari?
delicate moth
Aha! Pm me your postal and bank details and for a small deposit of £99.99 you too can have the finest Kumari dice money can buy 😁
abstract gate
Anything that breaks up that dildo silhouette lol
meager galleon
Looking at the rewards they are kinda pitiful - more Khan tokens that are only used on credits
The servers are all drained of resources and the old event shop was fantastic idea to allow people to pick their rewards. We get only a tiny bit of choice.. and not everyone even has access to this area
abstract gate
Meh I like it's just credits...I don't feel forced to participate in a faction I have zero interest in
The new tiered leaderboards are awesome however...
Rest is speed ups...you can just see the last few in bottom of the box
meager galleon
Yes events that only wallets tend to win. It’d be nice if events revolved more around activity
Power destroyed or ship kill count
abstract gate
@meager galleon they are tiered now...wallets against wallets
meager galleon
A lvl 32 dropped about £4000 just to win the officer event leaderboard
Why? Don’t know but it’s still not possible to place well or at all on activity
abstract gate
That #1 spot will likely be the only one I'll get for months...you can't reasonably expect to place well or even at all every time. Trick is to save your xp and carpet bomb one event in the last minutes...I was sitting on 500k and the guy who took 2nd was third with 170k in up to the last minute...we both bombed it and took 1st and 2nd
meager galleon
Oh I know that saving is what I to do..
Have been playing for a while but it’s not ideal that monetary paths are the usual ways to get limited rewards out there
Servers are hit with Austerity. The Generators are useless - we all know that, so the only option is to raid for resources, resources don’t get put into the game via mining because trying to mine 9M Steel for one building is not feasible, nor is mining for 4M trit for a single ship module. So basic resources are only put into servers from quests (which largely ask the opposite and want you to donate said resources) - events which you have to wait weeks to have a reasonable go at by stockpiling Officer or Ship XP
Or from players who pay for packs
And when the PvP Scales are broke that a lvl 19 can make one small mistake and lose everything to a lvl 26/27 it doesn’t encourage future purchases and probably kills the player off
So what happens is the rich get richer and willing to spend but the rest die off trying to play a game that doesn’t reward activity
jovial owl
And it only gets worse as you go up in level
meager galleon
It’s basic level economics really, you can’t expect growth when there’s no way to achieve it for the large majority
There has to be several ways to put resources into the game and Events are one avenue for that. Tiering is fantastic step, the original event shop where you could choose your reward also was
But I’ve also noticed since the changes on daily events they’ve cut back on the primary resources (Steel/Trit/Dil) a huge amount. So they give with one hand and take with the other for balance to rewards? I don’t know what purpose it serves
2/3 Months ago, most people only complained about the refinery.. now everyone complains about it still but also the lack of general resources in galaxies.
abstract gate
The refinery,blows..
umbral bear
If they only allow the generators to continue producing resoures but at at a slower rate when the warehouse is full would be great.
But the amount of bugs...man stop the event and fix the bugs...mines...warp..seesh
verbal jetty
Yup refinery sucks
chilly lintel
If they just made it so u could store enough rss to upgrade would prolly fix alot aswell
abstract gate
Just that payflower sucks like an Electrolux...not really relevant here though, carry on.
sharp ibex
electrolux? don't you mean nilfisk ?
abstract gate
Doesn't rhyme...plus I'm old
sharp ibex
44 ain't old. I've spoken to people here over 80
candid goblet
Why would the next event have 2 ranked mining ones, this clearly puts the players who have used the store into an advantage and the rest of the remaining players at a huge disadvantage. There are no benefits to your players who cannot compete except the Alliance one which we all can contribute for everyone. Unless the double ranked event was a mistake I find this a very bad move and a slap in the face to the player base.
sudden gull
The ranked events are for seperate data, one is corrupted one is decoded
candid goblet
Just whilst we are at it why not give more options for tokens like RSS or Uncommon/Rare? Seems a wasted opportunity and other players would be more inclined to participate.
light pumice
Reduce the 20 hour cooldown. Those are foolish.
abstract gate
@candid goblet there's less than 150 nodes available in augment space a large number of which are low yield corrupted data...you really want more players vying for their chance to mine?
Augment roll out is already a shitshow without turning it into a pvp clusterfuck too
hollow spoke
@abstract gate there are exactly 267 nodes. 78 with decoded and 189 with corrupted data.
abstract gate
Really? 16 systems with 3-12 nodes a system...
Oh wait rainsford has a ton of them...forgot about the kiddie pool
Still of those 267 how many are accessible to the majority of the playerbase? Bearing in mind most won't be able to tier bb past 3rd or 4th tier. Then factor in the warp range needed to send a different survey deeper in and anyone without ns or horizon is shit outta luck too
That puts the bulk of the playerbase into the lower third of the system fighting over 150ish low yield corrupted data nodes...fuck that noise
hollow spoke
True! but I was surprised about the amount of nodes after counting them myself! 😄
abstract gate
Yeah I spaced on the kiddie pool systems near the start...lots of nodes but crappy yield rates compared to deeper in
candid goblet
The other problem with the lack of nodes and this event being ranked will be that pvp will play a part, this will mean a huge drain on the tritanim/Dilithium so players on the lower end of the spectrum will not be able to participate properly unless the use the store or cancel the event to get rss which in turn will make them lose rankings. This next event either has been done without a second thought to its player base or not thought through properly. Scopely have the means to make the final two days rewarding for everyone and that should be their priority, looking after its players, makes participation worth whilst and fun. I’m a little let down with this particular one, the Klingon Event was brilliant and Scopely should use that experience gained to make this one even better.
abstract gate
Either without a second thought to it's playerbase or not thought through properly? The two aren't mutually exclusive...my money's on both
candid goblet
On one of the previous events the rewards were increased greatly as players felt hard done by and saw only the higher level player base being rewarded, the only players who can compete in these are the ones with highly tiered bb/horizon/NS. They should at least add a mining weekly on there with for example 1m and put a decent reward on their and at the same time remove the cds on the Augment Faction Store, removing cd would actually benefit Scopely, players would use the Store even more to get that extra Trit and Rare RSS they need, by putting a CD on their they are actually losing potential sales 👍🏻
@twilit imp do you have any comments on the above? 👍🏻
light pumice
All nodes can be reached by an envoy with joachim onboard. My BB is at t2 collecting dust. It is the 15 min each way transit that is the issue
halcyon briar
Please show me this envoy with warp 28
abstract gate
Augment faction mechanics and it's associated events are just a massive set of jangling keys to distract us from the real issues in the game while devs scramble furiously to come up with some kind of content that actually has...you know... content
balmy hare
Hi scopely: pls bring in proper RSS rewards asap!
Since you've buffed RSS protection and the augment stuff is on the scene we're finding the game is becoming a fun sucking grind.
Also gotta be honest and say the augment stuff isn't doing it for me, it feels like an underhwleming distraction with no RSS to benefit from.
Even the upcoming data events are naff
light pumice
@halcyon briar i misspoke. With scotty onboard i can make it to Ifrea-3. Decoded nodes are there. No need to go further. Certainly no need to tier up BB when i have a ship that can do the job. My Kumari finished the rest of the systems.
halcyon briar
The nodes in yarda mine faster than the ones in ifrea, and the two systems between are the same speed but much less heavily contested
light pumice
Regardless, that is how i completed all missions and unlocked all systems. I am no longer mining anything in aug space since i just dont care. I got BB and i did the stuff. I did however really enjoy the story. That part was very well done.
dull pagoda
Whole systems of dead mines in aug
spring pollen
Does anyone know /can guess when next jelly event will start for under 18s? There are offers in store for the next 13 days which imply it will be during that time. Aski g as I am 17 but want to get a jelly before levelling up to 18!
whole rock
I’m lvl 19 and ready to go lvl 20, does anyone have a guess as to when the ‘race to lvl 20’ event will happen again? Seems a waste to upgrade to 20 outside of that event
steep stream
At 20, you have a different event available during that same time. I would not stay off 20 just for that event.
Kinda hope these events end and we just go to standard mining in the augment areas. When not a fight, it isnt that hard to
...hard to get the daily amount of data you need to steadily progress with the augments
upper knot
Don't wait, just upgraded. Power grows exponentially in this game. Waiting causes more harm than good.
whole rock
Thanks for the advice 🖖🏼
ruby lion
@whole rock i had the 20 event at 20 but idk if it happens to everyone. All i had to do to get the rewards were finish a building and i got the max prize.
Ive done that event twice
whole rock
Nice. I already started the build. 4 days until 20
rapid axle
Anyone know how to acquire Platinum for the botney bay event
latent peak
@rapid axle faction store
rain inlet
Anyone know where to get D3 parts
thick pine
Any1 who got the rep bug and got their rep reverted?
latent peak
@rapid axle yup or buy with cash probely
@rapid axle think it was operative rep, 2500
rapid axle
@latent peak thanks
dusk estuary
When is a Building not a Building? When it is the Defense Platform.
Apparently Defense Platform does not count for Station Events or Daily Goals. Where is this clearly stated so we know this (other than in terse replies from Scopely support)?
gray rover
One of the few buildings that actually has a tangible effect on player power and it doesn’t count...brilliant
still basin
Anyone know when we have to use the augment event tokens by before the event store goes offline? Assuming it will
zinc talon
@twilit imp Augment mining event but more broken decoded data nodes every day. How about fix them quickly, please.
hollow estuary
<@&509691205798592532> there use to be hostile hunt events daily whatever happened to them.. please replace the constant ship exp event with some hostile hunts.
ornate veldt
Well, there seems to be an issue with the current ship event. Dropped a ton of ship exp and it didn't register.
boreal pawn
same here @ornate veldt - just came here to check if others had same issue
signal anvil
native zinc
I had same problem nothing showed up
compact citrus
same on our server
ornate veldt
I dumped about 800k ship exp (10k was latinum), a little rough. Getting harder and harder to have ships that need upgrading lol.
dawn frost
Same on my side, limited time ship event ranking is not working! I've spent a bit of 200+ xp, but now showing 0 points and rank 0, despite after restarting the apps
abstract gate
Anyone else had enough of the augment events? They feel like they’re dragging.
I realize the Botany Bay, and the data mining in general won’t be of any real use after events end, but still way too long.
untold bolt
anyone know when the next Race To 20 event is taking place?
versed raft
Ya the augment crap is just that!
dim widget
Bring back the north star events <@&509691205798592532>
native sleet
@dim widget we cannot determine which event comes when. Tag Panic😊😊
dim widget
Bring back the north star events @twilit imp
thick pine
Need 1 ns part! So yeah bring one ns event!!
clever socket
@dawn frost it didnt work of you spent xp on any miner such as an envoy, only normal battleships and thr bay
@dawn frost so appears it was bugged
lost minnow
zzzz a miner is a ship too....
dawn frost
I am using my ship xp on baby orion corvette, yet, event is over ~
thorny smelt
does anyone know if the eventstore for kahn tokens dissappear ?
sharp ibex
2 weeks after event I read on #🌌-galaxy-chat
stray tide
The tokens are worthless so what dos it matter?
chilly venture
it is still 10s of K augment credits which will let you recruit in the faction for quite a time without problems, so even if it is not really that appealing, it is still far from worthless
abstract gate
they increase in value when your Augment rep goes up a level
chilly venture
And most importantly it increase also when your ops goes up too (not that it will matter to you seing how high you already are 😂 )
stray tide
Ok lets say close to worthless or not worth the time or effort
chilly venture
Basically the whole purpose of the augment faction is the new officers, so if you are not interested in those then yes they can be considered not worth the effort
stray tide
yes i agree
chilly venture
Just for Joaqin and his protected cargo rise you should still try though
stray tide
I am its just the value off the tokens that are unbalanced
Lets use them for g3 uc, other kind off rss, and maybe to buy exp for crew and ships
just something that make sense, not the credit
chilly venture
I could not agree more with you on this, like the event with the separatists that we had. Everyone could pick what they needed / wanted the most. I hope we will have another of those soon 😄
minor bloom
@thorny smelt Pretty sure the Botany Bay is their faction ship lol
thorny smelt
huhuhu black uss vengeance
crisp cloud
It keeps telling me I won 2 khan coins, but they don’t show up to cash in, does it over and over
manic topaz
yes, thats a known bug
you received the 2 once, used to be happening a lot a couple of months ago , untill they fixed <cough> <cough> that bug
hardy parcel
Event is becoming impossible. 2/3 of the mining nodes broken in Aug space
crisp cloud
@manic topaz thanks
ruby lion
sucks for your server then i guess
minor bloom
Seeing same in my server, lots of the high yield data nodes are now broken
cinder swan
do you need to exchange your kahn token before event ends?
or will the store remain open ?
stone grail
Any guesses on next event
storm cove
We're way overdue for a pvp event
ruby delta
Weird that all these nodes are breaking dow. Right beforenor during a mining evert🤔 🤔
stone grail
Theres a mining event?
leaden verge
There was, it was a data mining event that is now over
low heath
We need a PVP Refinery event, every base you break doubles your refinery output. Would get a million common and still zero UnC 🤣
#BringBackTheBonusRefinery
#PayflowerSucks
granite cobalt
From a certain perspective, I like how the refinery produces no uncommon because it keeps my enemies from upgrading their ships, but this argument is moot when you have spenders that can just buy the uncommon.
abstract gate
hello, I'm looking for plutonium, someone could explain to me how to get it. thanks in advance
livid sierra
Bounty hunters don’t spawn 😦
formal elk
@abstract gate you will find plutonium in the augment faction store when your augment rep is high enough
abstract gate
@formal elk thanks a lot
thick solar
Hey there. Is there a schedule for the race to lvl20 event?
real raft
When am I going to be able to get Northstar BP again? No missions left and no random drops from hostiles. What gives! I need 17 BP to build
balmy hare
Scopely - add RSS events now pls. The way you've made bases unable to create the RSS required or the capacity needed to upgrade bases literally means You are now rigging and impeding the game.
This'll be my next game review feedback
haughty summit
Hey Scopely, how come hostile kills for hunting the hunters daily augment reputation event does not reward augment reputation with each kill?
If I go into Klingon space and farm hostiles, I get fed rep. Why don't marauder kills in augment space give augment rep?
echo parrot
Because then you could finish the expansion in a few days
And the marauders aren't augment
Neither are the bounty hunters
haughty summit
Incorrect, I am only level 20 and cannot open the augment space past tearzon 31
echo parrot
The inhabitants of the system hire the bounty hunters to kill anyone affiliated with the augments
haughty summit
Those kills should still give augment rep, it is no different than going into other hostile space and getting rep for other factions.
echo parrot
But how? They aren't augment faction lol
haughty summit
But you are fighting for augment rep
echo parrot
It's not augment marauder, it's varaan marauder
haughty summit
Pretend they are Klingon and you are fed rep aligned, it is no different
echo parrot
And suliban bounty hunter
haughty summit
Which are maligned with augment faction, you are not
echo parrot
There are systems in faction space that also have neutral enemies
They are not alligned with the augments
As I said the locals of the area hire the bounty hunters to kill anyone related to augments
It's in the missions if you read them
haughty summit
I said maligned
The marauders and Sullivan are fighting against augment, therefore killing them should increase augment rep
The only way to increase augment repairs mission, events, and the faction store
Missions, events, faction store. There should be a mechanic for individual hostile farming.
granite zenith
It's possible they may include that after the month long event is over. I think during the event they are limiting it to event/faction store to drive interest
balmy hare
Still a shit event though. Need more RSS not a pat on the back from khan and his play money that useless for non aug upgrades (ie everything else)
manic topaz
at this moment augment related activities and events are not integrated in the rest of the game play, it feels like a seperate mini-game
although the augment crew seem to have value due to base raiding ability
quiet birch
If you read the officer abilities for recruits in thaug store you will see that they are for station raiding.
cedar echo
Augment crew might have next to no value for players further in the game when they need independent credits to upgrade.
quiet birch
So the Aug event is not just mini game. When those who have the recruits start hitting stations you probably be asking how did they get through my defense so easily. Well there's your answer
Not a mini game
cedar echo
@quiet birch If you read through the officer abilities, you'll see that most of the augment crew are not rainmakers when attacking bases.
quiet birch
cedar echo
Kati and Otto are lower decks fodder, Joaquin is about protected cargo and mining, Joachim needs to be tested but I believe he will be pretty underwhelming against higher level bases and Marla has a decent captain ability but an officer ability that would make you choose any other augment rather as captain. Khan should be good with ships that can last long.
sterile violet
does anybody know something about "Road to 20th event"?
abstract gate
Triple chests and lucky drops would be my guess
abstract gate
I have little to no use for the bulk of the augment officers...joecargo is handy as he pushes my horizon to nearly 30k protected with 150% t'pring making overnight mining fairly safe
barren night
I am hoping that the next ship is a battleship , with percs to base busting. it would go right along with the new officers
leaden verge
That would be cool
abstract gate
Yeah...until you see the price tag
barren night
Dysp: Going at the rate of the D3/May/RomulanPOS Prolly $200 to get the ship and $200 to make it worth a damn
leaden verge
That would stink, I am mostly F2P. so that would make my journey a real struggle.
barren night
Well, if you look at it. They gave the $50 dollar ship (BB ) just like the Jelly.
So next step is the $500 dollar ship
As I said in General about people and their habits. Companies are no different.
buoyant idol
Is there any point in stockpiling Common Plutonium? It seems that from (atleast) t4 onwards the BB needs only uncommon and thus Common purchases are a waste of creditd.
narrow yoke
@buoyant idol unless you need the quests I would stop buying plutonium once you no longer need it to upgrade bb.
And at t6 it uses rare. And t8 uses rare plutonium and A LOT of rare mats. Like 30 rare ore for one slot. Plus rare plut.
buoyant idol
@narrow yoke thks
hazy storm
How does one unlock or find uncommon plutonium?
pulsar solstice
What's your Op Level and Augment Faction?
carmine lily
plutonium (all varieties) is in the store. If you don't see it yet, you're not high enough level to get it.
untold bolt
@sterile violet Race to 20! Event where you get sweet loot if u lvl ops to 20. I'm 19 now and just waiting for the event😟
My big question is....When IS the next race to 20 event???
brave oar
Didn't like the last event to boring!
stone grail
i just spent officer xp but didn't seem to register, same for anyone else?
vast rock
@stone grail try logging out and back in, worked for me
stone grail
@vast rock yep, did the trick 😄
vast rock
New data mining event starting today, anyone know what time?
stone grail
how do you know?
noble oasis
How to get rare plutonium in the faction store? I'm friend status with none available for purchase
compact citrus
You need to be level 30 for that
frosty fjord
lvl 30 indeed
noble oasis
Wow that's some bullshit
I'd be at level 30 if the refinary would cough up some materials ....
frosty fjord
yeah arrent we all
noble oasis
Yeah at 29 right now wondering why some of my mates can get it but I cannot. Thought it was because bb wasn't tiered yet
Thanks for the info
vital drum
Is there any way for a level 24-25 for getting rare plutoniums?
noble oasis
I have not found a way but I suppose u can buy it players said after buying some packs it shows up in the store
I'm refusing to spend right now
trail barn
Will this stupid event ever end. It the same thing over and over again with no rewards. Bring back Race to 20 so I can upgrade my ops.
oak shoal
Event good
bleak tree
I think the event is lame without the ranking boards encouraging competition and incentivizing participation at levels above the solo event
hazy storm
@pulsar solstice ops lvl 23, associated standing. Does it take ops center 24?
flat plinth
Are the augment mines broken on all servers?
This is the stupidest event.
Can’t get to half of the nodes and the once’s that we can get to, are broken.
pulsar solstice
@hazy storm I was Ops Level 24 for me seeing the Uncommon Plutonium, so more than likely yes. And I was Pawn at the time.
@flat plinth Don't see any broken Data Nodes on my server.
flat plinth
Our server has half the nodes broken. Can’t participate at all.
dense wolf
Kahn repair rate no longer functioning despite timer claiming 14more hours
hidden nacelle
Ok so how many sent complaints to scopely? Not like they’d have a clue
pale kestrel
ruby lion
Ooohhhhh nooooooooooo
frozen roost
@pale kestrel that's unfortunate
small dagger
@untold bolt Supposedly you should go ahead and continue lvl’ing. So long as you build one building at lvl 20 you get the full event reward
untold bolt
@small dagger thanks, but I'm gonna need some hard evidence before I trust you
soft gate
@untold bolt I’ve had several level 20s in my alliance get the race to 20 rewards by upgrading any building to 20. I think there was one who got the top reward twice by doing it in two separate events.
vital drum
Botany Bay part 6 is cramping my ability to level my ship. If I don't do it now I'm ginaa have to collect the uncommon plutonium after I don't need it any more, and it's gonna cost augment credits I could be spending on crew...
halcyon briar
working as intended
plain sundial
Ok how do you get rare plutonium. I'm associated with augment but not in fraction store
carmine lily
level based, you don't have the level yet
manic topaz
to scopely: We love the "khans repair technology" event, make those repair times/costs permanent!!!
slate hound
@plain sundial read some lines above. You need to be lvl30. Then it appears on the faction store
prime pike
When is the next mining event?
hardy parcel
@twilit imp <@&509691205798592532> what is going on with the event rewards? They keep changing without warning making exchanging your tokens a lottery.....
hardy parcel
@Panic <@&509691205798592532> what is going on with the event rewards? They keep changing without warning making exchanging your tokens a lottery.....
merry fulcrum
@hardy parcel I'm guessing that you don't need the uncommon tier 2 rss
hardy parcel
@merry fulcrum of course I do. My message was in reference to the augment store rewards, probably should have made that more clear.
@twilit imp @quartz forge <@&509690795536941056> what is going on with the event store rewards? They keep changing without warning making exchanging your tokens a lottery.....
merry fulcrum
What for, it looks like your over lvl 20, don't you need only g3 after lvl 20?
Idk, I'm lvl 19
hardy parcel
@merry fulcrum no but for me the officer event gives green g3 stuff.
chilly venture
keep your khan tokens until the end
the value raise with your faction status as well as ops level
Simple as that
hardy parcel
@chilly venture except no where does it say that. And last event they changed the rewards in the store at the last minute
rapid sky
@chilly venture but also costs increase at each status/level...
@hardy parcel don't get what they changed?
chilly venture
I do not disagree, just that at the beginning my tokens were worth 60 and now they are 5500+
I did keep them, and watched at what points they changed value. One thing for sure is that your token value is ops dependant (did see a raise between 27 and 28) and faction rep dependant
So obviously I keep most of them for the moment and will wait for the last moment to exchange them. At worst the value will be the same, at best it will have raised or I will have more options (not likely)
And yes the cost of credits and reputation in the Augment store are raised too, but so is the reward so it equalizes.
By the way you get much more officers token at higher rep too. Now that I'm friend I get three different officers for one recruit, and more shards each time to boot compared to the rep level before
hardy parcel
@chilly venture it is fairly obvious that the reward increases with rep, but why keep it secret? I'm fed up of these events and store items where no information is given. Maybe they will add different items on the last day like last time
chilly venture
I never defended them, why ask me ? 😉
hardy parcel
@rapid sky last time we had a store they changed the rewards you could buy on the last day, more blueprints that kind of thing
chilly venture
I totally agree, I was only trying to help and explain how it works, at least based on my observations
hardy parcel
Because you said it was simple, which is an assumption because they did not give the info
chilly venture
By the same process, nowhere is it explained that you need to be ops 24 to buy uncommon plutonium and ops 30 to buy rare plutonium
hardy parcel
Nowhere, and that annoys the heck out of me too
rapid sky
@chilly venture but is the increase in cost vs. worth of a token identical? I should have kept notes lol
chilly venture
So people could buy upgrade pack, and find that they coundn't upgrade their BB while their friend could easily just because of ops level... While it was never explained beforehand
hardy parcel
@rapid sky no I am fairly sure that you are better off waiting and getting more credits for your tokens
@chilly venture exactly, talk about shady....
rapid sky
@hardy parcel I sure hope so lol, but then there's also the cooldown... for now I convert tokens to be able to buy 3 officers chests... usually it's 1 or 2 per day
chilly venture
I keep most of them and only pull one officer chest a day. As I said, the returns are much better at higher rep level
in terms of officer pulling I mean
I think quite a lot of work went in the event, and I don't dislike it myself as once you have a decent BB the mining is very easy and quick. But the execution and communication is very lacking I think
hardy parcel
Agreed skal
chilly venture
BTW, Augment officers need independant credit at higher levels, similar to feds, klingons, etc
Except that there currently no way to get those apart from very occasional and random drop from hostile. I have ten atm, and you need 1K for one promotion so yeah...
flint palm
When is next Harrison event planned? No way to get his shards at the moment :(
merry fulcrum
When is the next race to ops 20 event?
trail barn
<@&509691205798592532> I second that when is the next race to ops 20 event?
wispy smelt
Here is something fun to add. They think it's fun that we dont know what's going. I asked about the uncommon plutonium and this is what I got...
merry fulcrum
It most likely means you have yet to buy enough stuff from the store
haughty barn
Why do people keep asking about the next race to 20 event? isn't that just once for every player?
abstract gate
No, occurs every 2-3 months or so I think. Ofcourse if you're above 20 it stops showing.
deft temple
Am I wrong or does the game seem to get stale if you do not want to throw tons of money at it. Needed materials hard to come buy and it takes days to construct or research if you do not use sped ups. Ships very difficult to advance.
abstract gate
It's definately a waiting game and you need to have your peace with that. Ships difficult to advance due to Refinery needing fine-tuning. Other than that, raid hardcore with your alliance. Assign designated 'seekers' to find good bases and give them a 'finders-fee'. Helped me out a lot.
cinder lintel
Where the heck you get rare Platonium
My augment rep is over 250k and my level 29. But there is none offered in the faction store? What the heck. I see offer people have in store
small dagger
@abstract gate Admittedly the social engineering is becoming more and more of my mainline interest, Everything that is “meta game”
abstract roost
@abstract gate How do you pay the finders fee?
dapper sage
I am still looking for uncommon plutonium
jovial tree
you can only buy plutonium in the Augment faction store.
or with $ in the BB upgrade pack
rancid gazelle
@cinder lintel that’s only available if you are ops 30
cinder lintel
@rancid gazelle that’s stupid.
So you can’t complete the missions because you are not level 30.
rancid gazelle
Only if you bought the 2 day limited bb pack that had them. But to finish BB part 8 mission you need 150...
abstract gate
@abstract roost Simple. You wait for one of the big ones to crack the base and have agreed to let you take X amount of envoys before the rest start.
atomic shore
@gaunt yacht @twilit imp will there be an epic officer bonus recruit event anytime soon again? I just saved up that many token :)
atomic shore
💃
merry fulcrum
@twilit imp when is the next race to ops 20 event?
Need to know because I'm on a race against the clock, not getting enough uncommon rss for the r$d department, and shipyard
chilly venture
don't know if those are final, but the currently displayed rewards for tomorrow's "hunting the hunters" alliance and solo leaderboard are way too crappy to be remotely interesting 😦
leaden verge
wow those are sad.
unique lodge
Yeah what’s with the garbage events? Since Augments came out all junk. We need rss/ship parts/refined mats
Not tiny bits of augment faction
Which, let’s be honest... isn’t worth it. The officers don’t provide that good of a setup even for raiders
Adding some rss to the daily Augment missions was a good step, but what happened to all the great weekend events?
Was part of what made this game enjoyable
merry fulcrum
Ok thx
agile silo
@twilit imp @gaunt yacht when is the augment alliance event going to get fixed? I keep hoping for more Khan tokens every time winner pops up lol...
merry fulcrum
What if they made it so you could buy augment versions of the packs that require loyalty badges
jagged radish
@twilit imp Once you level up the Botany Bay to max tier, is there any use for plutonium (common, uncommon or rare) ? Should I continue to purchase them from the Augment faction store ?
hardy parcel
Another badly thought out event with rubbish prizes tomorrow. Seriously after two players are in the system the hunters stop spawning. Better to just camp in the lowest system and slaughter everything
jagged radish
As your rep increases with augments, those tokens redeem for more credits. So make sure you leave them until the latest possible time to redeem. Now if we just knew when that was.....
low heath
I feel like we're waiting for a suprise in the Augment faction store at the end of the event only to de disappointed with a "We're Closed, Thanks for coming by."
mint adder
@twilit imp Augment officers require independent credits to upgrade. I am quite sure this is a bug. I have 30,000 hostiles killed and have 19 independent credits from drops. The J guy needs 1,100 independent credits for first promote (or maybe second?).
Is this something that is being looked at, surely it is meant to be their own faction credits to promote officers like fed, klingon, rom
abstract gate
They'll add an independent pack to the store eventually...
Although indpt dailys would be a nice addition @twilit imp pass it along 😉
@unique lodge. Some of these crappy events reward few k latinum miions of rss, loads of uncs. Some of those arenbetter than 50 € pack
Specially if its running at night and all it takes is to spend few xp^^.
mint adder
@twilit imp @abstract gate even if independent credits become available it makes no sense thats what augments would use. thats like federation officers needing klingon credits to promote
abstract gate
Yeah I get that but augment credits come in such quantities that using those for promotions would be beyond trivial
@mint adder
As it stands rn with the acquisition of indpt credits being almost non-existent using those is the polar opposite of trivial...
A middle ground needs to be reached there and indpt dailys would get there
mint adder
at the drop rate i have observed you would only need to kill 2 million red triangles to promote 1 augment officer. Whats wrong with that?
abstract gate
@abstract gate the quantity of augm credits is not that peachy if ur not lv24+
Not arguing against your original point...just saying augment credits are too plentiful and indpt credits are like rocking horse shît
@abstract gate what you can't make 1k aug credits in a week? Thats what im getting for fed credits at associate ffs
I got 50 credits for 1 khan token. Til yesterday. So yeah... 1k in a week can be challenging
waxen vector
abstract gate
The moment u get 250 credirs and see ppl get 4k
waxen vector
Thats why I said 8 days...
jolly mist
the higher the faction the higher the credits per token
mint adder
augment friend level, each kahn token is 9310 credits
abstract gate
Not with ops 23
mint adder
31
abstract gate
Ofc
Stkll sucks
There could've been better solutions which reward higher lvls without demoralizing the low levels
mint adder
The game demoralizes us all. lol. needing 600 uncommons for 1 building or 2000 for one ship part, when the refinery produces maybe 6 a day (or 0) is no fun for higher levels.
sleek sparrow
Are events being unofficially pre-announced in this thread?
modern estuary
time limit ship event is rubbish can on;ly gain xp if you buy packs if you try hitting npc to level up the points are not counted
glacial sail
Whats the next event after khan?
foggy abyss
If they go by movies it would be the return of spock
spare jungle
neat sky
I got 1 today from hostile hunting in aug space. the lvl 28 system.
vital drum
I've got one.
unique lodge
@abstract gate I mean the weekends Augment Events
ruby lion
@foggy abyss if you read the story line this was the alternate universe where kirk died and spock lived.
abstract gate
@unique lodge missed them due work
glad kiln
I think the upcoming event rewards, which starts in 7 hrs time, are incorrect. Killing 4000 hostiles for only 100 rep Augment? Should be 100k
sand sun
👍
zealous wren
So guys there is an event related to ops upgrade upto lvl 20, which runs monthly, any idea when its gonna pop up again?
abstract gate
Alliance rewards are always crappy compared to solo
Rewards are crappy across the board this time though
fathom kite
These alliance event rewards are laughable, as usual.
low berry
Yeah either a mistake or April fools day in May
@twilit imp come one 100credits for killing 1250 Suliban bounty hunters ?? Don’t make from us idiots
rapid sky
@low berry it's however much for the entire alliance so isn't that much per player... if they also do the normal daily event for 200 points should be easy for most alliances
otherwise if that's the only event it's pointless
rapid sky
@low berry if it comes on top of normal daily event they had last time then who cares how much more it is? plus it's probably more about the tokens...
abstract gate
250 total...alliance events that run in tandem with solos should always be treated as an afterthought...rewards aren't worth making an effort for
low berry
Tokens ?? Tokens for what they gave absolutely nothing
So what it is about I don’t know
Have 35 of them worth 9310 credits
rapid sky
so now you'll have 3 more... 😂
if they give a lot of rep for entire alliance they kill the monthly event...
abstract gate
Whole augment faction roll out has been a wet paper bag full of brown smelly fail 💩
All augment themes alliance events had low numbers of rep for milestones rewards
Nothing new
The faction is not interesting, the officers are too niched to be useful outside of baseraids, the events are grind fests with barely worthwhile rewards (and only then since rss was added to solos), the bh mechanic is neither fun or interesting, limited and broken nodes makes the mining a hurry up and wait afair...only good thing is a t6 bb makes for a great way of circumventing roe while overnight mining 1.1k/hr g3 with 11k protected = good nights sleep.
rapid sky
@abstract gate it's also useful for extra cargo protection... easy +100% with synergy
abstract gate
I use joecargo on my horizon with t'pring so I can hold 2 g3 overnight 👀
rapid sky
either that or just joecargo + kati/otto on one ship and t'pring on the other 😄
abstract gate
Don't need cargo protection on bb while holding a g3
ruby lion
Ia that the skimpy 3600 node or the 25k node?
abstract gate
Horizon 25k node bb 18k
Why anyone would play a game they complain so much about is beyond me
And ns way the hell out in warp 40 9n a 40k👀 👀
My bb has 45k protected with tpring and joaquin
Yeah I use protection while mining data...never know what viruses are there
But for holding a g3 overnight it's unnecessary with bb
vague carbon
On the changed log it says they fixed the mining nodes... but they didn't. They know that right?
rare violet
They Just dont care
vague carbon
Did anyone else get the wrong faction dailies yesterday and today? I Told customer support and they thanked me for my patience [as I lose my dialies]
abstract gate
need help game wont load
edgy wasp
Trying to do the hunter hunting event and Augment space is glitching out, hostile ships disappearing with "invalid ship location", my ships going the complete opposite direction when I send them against a hostile, couldn't warp out at first, and now I'm getting "check your connection" messages forcing restart. Also the exterior station display is like a weird disco ball or something reflecting everything all weirdly.
also 100 rep and 2 Khan tokens for top tier on that alliance hunter hunting? for 4000 hostiles killed?
carmine lily
sounds like your device memory is maxed out, restart your device and that should help.
indigo ember
@twilit imp why the heck would you guys only give one token to the top ten, as if they didnt work harder than top 20? this is bs, and completely demotivates everyone to partake in the events.
carmine lily
every event has been that way, it just reinforces those already at the top. why you ask? because those at the top are the paying/highest paying players. gotta keep the investors happy.
indigo ember
Pretty sure there has been a hierarchy in the past events, at least.
carmine lily
not really, the rewards have fairly consistently dropped off very quickly after the top 3-5
indigo ember
kicks dust this is why i'm quitting after my daily tokens run out
soft gate
This is what I get.
winged tulip
I'm 26 and i get the ore only, i want the trit tokens!
chilly venture
I'm 28 and I also have only ore. Wouldn't mind trit tokens too...
carmine lily
Yeah, that got added and now there's even MORE bugs. error messages everytime you try to attack ANYTHING, game crashing everytime you try to go to the store, constantly misdirected ships, some people are reporting their ships can't even dock, just get stuck outside stations.
soft gate
Lol, I’m 24. I’m guessing they don’t understand how valuable trit is.
carmine lily
nope, not with how long this repair bug has been going on
cloud hare
heavy stratus
Lvl 22 here. See rss only. Trit 500k for 2500 points
carmine lily
everything in the augment store has been level dependant
deep yacht
abstract gate
Just upped ops to 29....could really use those parsteel tokens and all I see is uc/rare ore...fml
fringe owl
What level does it start offering tokens at?
abstract gate
Somewhere below 29....
abstract gate
Level 26 and it scales up by Level like 15/25/50 uncommon per 12h. So pretty good
Thats for ore
devout talon
Level 23, associate rep
I’m tempted because trit is always scarce but feel like it’s a currency burner
carmine lily
that's exactly what it is.
literally everything faction related is designed to slow you down, get you to spend ridicuous amounts of time working on that rep and resources so you don't advance too fast and find out that there is no endgame content yet.
devout talon
I don’t mind burning currency if the value proposition is good enough
carmine lily
Notice also that tritanium is the most expensive resource , because they KNOW that it's the most needed for everything.
and dilithium is only 50k when the others are 500k
formal elk
I am lvl 33/friend with augment and see ore in the faction store. Would prefer rss as dilithium has become ridiculously difficult to obtain, so any source is now welcome
abstract gate
Yeah apparently if you are lvl26+ you no longer need g1?...wtf scopely
Don't get me wrong more options for g3 are always welcome but g1 is still an essential part of progress at higher levels
At 29 parsteel costs are in the 10-25mil range, I don't even wanna know what a lvl33 trit generator costs...
formal elk
About 40m steel. Oh, sorry. You said you didn’t want to know 😆
I’m managing to keep my head above water on steel and trit as it gets handed out in hundreds of thousands / millions in rewards. Not that I can build anything anymore of course. It’s dilithium that’s killing me, as it comes in much smaller amounts - so small that repair costs on ships from the hostile dailies easily out-strips the available in-flow. I can’t get it from raiding as there are too few players left with the amounts that would make it viable to think about trying to raid it.
As many have said before, the economy is broken.
abstract gate
Maxed out your ability to complete combat training missions?
formal elk
Yes. I’m stuck on lvl37 captain. Since they fixed the repair times on mission ships, I am unable to use more than 1 ship effectively and can only reach the warp range with 2 ships anyway
The 18m Dili reward sits in my mission panel, mocking me
abstract gate
Ouch...I'm stuck on 35 captain for now...got 6mil dilithium in reserve but it's trickling away
formal elk
Same. I’m burning through my reserves, so in-game bankruptcy feels like an inevitability now.
abstract gate
I'm nowhere near saladin yet either so I'm royally boned soon
formal elk
What level/faction are you?
Cos if you’re patient, you should be able to grind out a Saladin by farming fed ships in somewhere like Barkley. The drop rate makes it doable but it will take some weeks to do.
abstract gate
Associate fed lvl29 since this morning
covert flicker
Patience my friends patience... there is no way you can play a fraction ship cost efficient right now. There is much more strategy to this game than it may appear on first and second glance.... I have seen guy at lvl 32 in an intrepid who complained about Ressource shortages...
And to all the guys complaining about developers taking to long just think of a few things:
- fixing code is hard and complicated work. Give them time it takes a few weeks...
- I am glad they went for exploits first. For example on my server a couple guys got banned for using Scotty’s workshop. That is great news.
- yeah Ressource shortages are a problem right now but again give them time and until that day play it smart...
formal elk
Nice idea. Unfortunately, for me, being patient equates to near-total inactivity. Except maybe mining for inconsequential returns. Not really a compelling gaming experience for this player.
covert flicker
Same as you I have no idea I am only at lvl 30 but can play cost efficient. Events help a lot and not pushing too hard for strength and level. I could Level to 31 now but I know I will get trouble in future events so I stay at 30 until I have saved enough. I keep two fractions close by but under 2 Mio fraction points for the same reason
formal elk
That’s a good strategy. I’ve played in fairly similar way. Not levelling ops until all base upgrades are done; manage dual fed/rom factions, etc. My mistake (in hindsight) was spending money to accelerate the process in advance of the game being ready to cope with players passing level 30.
covert flicker
From my point of view the content for lvl 30 plus players has not yet been introduced. Simply because they did not take into account that people would spent more than let us say 300 a month. They will have a timetable as to when stuff should be ready. And you can not fault the developers for that. It is just how every business today gets done: just in time
Sure I would like more resources and get stronger faster but right now that will just not happen because software does not get written over night. It can be a pain in the ... 😉 So instead of leashing out in anger I find things to do. Right now leveling up bb and saving up grade 3 stuff for an inevitable event to come.
formal elk
I agree with you up to a point. However, I see the mismatch in rss costs vs earning potential post lvl 30 as indicative of poor planning / design, rather than gradual implementation against a timed roadmap. Event and other rewards do scale with level, as we have seen, showing that they have anticipated the issue to some extent. Just not by anywhere near enough to be workable.
covert flicker
It is not so much a level problem more a ship problem: the fraction ships other than d3, mayflower and the romulan equivalent are for now too expensive to sustain.
formal elk
You are correct in your analysis of ship repair costs. Those are level gated though - although down to 26, so the issue is masked somewhat by the less-bad economics of 26-30. Building and research costs post 30 pull the problem into sharp focus though, with the competing expenditures for scarce resources magnifying the pain of repairs to those ships.
covert flicker
If looked at it from a gameplay and planing perspective: the non fraction ships can get you (in time) to around level 30 32. maybe even a little further but it takes a few month. The next step will need the d3 or whatever fraction you are playing and it can get you to lvl 40 again at a very slow speed. After that the tier 2 fraction ships come into play. At lvl 50 you need a tier 2 fraction ship. The last tier will be needed much later...
I just guess the majority of players will need a year from now to get to lvl 35. and here comes the only real problem of the game. They can not because of people like us who got ahead of their server and unfortunately the game. And now try to keep up progress...
abstract gate
So it’s your fault they make it even harder 😎
rapid sky
on our server there's 2 lvl 33 players, couple more 31 and the rest are 30 and lower
I started playing maybe a week after the game was out, spend in total about 200 Euro and only recently got to level 25, so I wonder how much they had to spend to get to where they are...
elder scaffold
Our server has a dude that spends like close to 10k usd to get to 30+
Won’t be surprised if that’s the required numbers
crisp bronze
Same on our server.
rapid sky
lol I always laugh when I see high level players with weak ships... they may have paid the $$ to level up but haven't spent anything on research and tiering up the ships
crisp bronze
I'm the complete opposite haha ops 28 spent more time on research and station and my ships are scraping by
low heath
Lvl 33, guessing about $12k ... ish
hollow tiger
I believe this has been asked before, but when does the Khan Token redemption close?
tiny flame
Whats your top warship @low heath ?
tiny flame
Nice, its a lot of money but comparably not bad from what ive seen elsewhere
Whats the 660? D3?
tiny flame
Ah, yup
frozen roost
Then why do you have 2 of them?🤣
frozen roost
I'd rather have that awesome Red D3. Can you confirm if it's actually better than the regular, @low heath ?
winter leaf
So, how long will we have to spend these coins?
native sleet
@winter leaf if you are talking about rss tokens, they are there till you use them
winter leaf
@native sleet No - the augment tokens: like the separatists event, will there be a incentive to keep them till the very end or use them now ...
native sleet
Thats the rub.. Scopely tend to add things right near the end. @loud solar did a good video about them in the #📺-streams-and-videos channel
halcyon briar
I've started spending mine now that I can get uncommon
But regardless I'd been holding since they get more valuable at higher rep levels
So I wanted to max rep before cashing them out
low heath
@frozen roost Didn't get the Red D3. Kobi on my server snuck in the last night and killed bosses for 16 hrs straight...lol. He doesn't use the red D3 though. Got the 2 Mays when they first came out, one via pack and one won thru events.
surreal venture
Anyone know when Mayflower will be for sale again ?
modest oyster
@surreal venture hopefully never because god knows we don't need more payflower sucks hashtagging
unique lodge
So they took away the normal Augment cash purchases and replace it with “bonus” cash outs at worse rates... slow clap for killing a game, GJ Scopely
exotic willow
@low heath the level 34 upgrade requirements are heavy, docks and turrets all to 33 ....
glad socket
when will the current event store close?
abstract gate
#payflowersucks
@surreal venture unless they fix it either save your money or use it to get a headstart on saladin bp's...payflower is less than worthless rn despite its 200€ price tag
2 fed packs towards saladin or 2 station packs to beef up kumari would be a better use of your money (or a holiday...)
narrow yoke
@abstract gate So much of this game is learning from experience. Sadly. In retrospect, skip jelly, get Northstar and keep upgrading it. Faux faction ship? Better to upgrade kumari to tide you over, but not past t6 unless you’re loaded. Better to push to 28 and get your real faction ship than dump a pile of money into the faux ships.
I do have a D3, and it is useful for some things, but the Bortas and Northstar are the workhorses of my fleet. the D3 mainly shuttles miners to and from Aug space.
abstract gate
I know mate, I'm 29 and learnt all that the hard way, just trying to save a bro 200€
limpid yoke
Augment events are just diversion to regular events. Give us the regular events!!!!
crisp delta
When will the event store close? Hate to waste all those khan tokens
narrow yoke
Yeah, I was mostly trying to agree/underscore your point.
abstract gate
Whats a faux faction ship?
narrow yoke
Payflower, D3, legionary.
You can upgrade them massively if you’re willing to pay, but they would get crushed by an equal power lvl 28/100bp faction ship.
wintry tree
I agree, these so called faction ships is a blatant cash grab. Even at T7 the Payflower still sucks and isn't even close to as good as my T5 Saladin.
abstract gate
Lvl 28 faction ship vs lvl 26 faction ship. Same class, both entered combat at full strength. Crew may have played a part, but shouldn’t have been this bad, and he should have kicked my butt.
huh hows that possible?
@abstract gate i don’t even know, my captian’s maneuver activated and hit him with 2 consecutive critical hits but he should have been able to take me out easy afterwards
But then again, some officer abilities don’t seem to pop as often, maybe just pure luck on percentages
rapid sky
@abstract gate I'd love to see the full battle log of this
abstract gate
@rapid sky i thought i had screened the entire log, unfortunately, I didn’t. I just know that gorkon’s ability activated and as far as I can remember only 2 of his officers abilities were showing.
I didn’t try a 2nd time, he attacked my ship, but I would rather rely on the triangle when I’m the weaker player
I have a legionary and mayflower too, both are my strongest ships by the numbers but they still feel way more fragile than either my lower powered saladin and centurion
rapid sky
@abstract gate there's apparently a bug that if both of you have the same officers only one of their abilities kicks in or something like that, so your critical hits would also be stronger than his I guess if you got Kerla's ability kicking in and he didn;t
abstract gate
@rapid sky i think it’s a lvl 26 faction ship issue too though. I say this because I attacked someone else’s saladin with my mayflower. i had Epic kirk, rare ahura/spock crew and a 85k strength advantage and lost. My crew abilities all activated too
I actually have this Gorkon crew in my Saladin because of how badly i lost, even though it resulted in a lower ship strength
rapid sky
well #payflowesucks 😉
but yeah I get your point, sadly I'm still far from those ships... would be interesting to review battle logs to try and understand better, just out of curiosity
abstract gate
I know, but the lvl 26 faction ships give more power/upgrade than the 28 ships so it’s easy to get tempted to invest in them instead
@rapid sky i should have screens of battle logs. I wish i had one for both battles among others
Taken*
ruby lion
cool so skip the lvl 26 ships. good to know
soft gate
@abstract gate the power rating of ships is fairly rough. Each point of armor piercing is 5 point, each point of hull is 0.5, etc. In the case of the D3, it has a higher chance of crit and I’m pretty sure the power rating system gives a huge amount of points for that. Deadserver didn’t set up his crew to capitalize on the higher crit, so I would say crew choice played a huge part in your victory.
gloomy epoch
Fed ships also have a 30-60% increase damage against Klingon, Klingon over Romulan, Romulan over Fed
merry fulcrum
@abstract gate the Saladin is the most powerful ship before the rare tier 3 faction ships, it can kill any ship unlocked before it or at its level easily if crewed properely
@ruby lion depends on the one you want, Saladin is op, so it was a "fair fight" from what I can tell
ruby lion
thats a lvl 28 faction ship not lvl 26
kind roost
Can we please get some variety in the events? I get the purpose and thought behind the augment event and extending it so long to help people progress. But we are in our 3rd week of mining data and killing hostile in augment space with mediocre rss and mat rewards.
rapid sky
@kind roost for once I think those events are reasonably leveled, I can complete them rather easily (compared with the previous mining/killing PvE events)
last "regular" mining event practically had me mining with 2 envoys non-stop to get to top award
kind roost
@rapid sky yes they are reasonably leveled. They are boring and repetitive and lacking in significant rss / mat rewards.
rapid sky
yeah I agree about the repetitive and boring part, then again most other events are just the same :/
what's the difference between killing the hunters and killing the klingon whatever they were called?
what's the difference between mining ore/gas/crystal and mining data?
abstract gate
It's always better to make suggestions for change other than just to ask for change itself. What kind of new events can you come up with that'd be fun? But not require like 6 months of development? (aka be reasonable lol)
If I think of mechanics that already exist or exist partially in the game, some things come to mind:
NPC Bases to raid, can be made to an event.
Boss battles with joint combat (Like how you defend your base, your ships battle alongside your defenses), can be made to an event.
Hmmm what else.. hmm
wintry tree
<@&509690795536941056> @twilit imp please make an official announcement when the event store closes for the Khan Tokens. Since their value increases with your Augment faction reputation we all would like to cash them in as late and at the best possible exchange rate.
abstract gate
Would be cool of hostiles could react to proximity and have pathing that shows them traveling to a specific system.
You could have like proper 'envoys' of NPC ships of traders and guarding combat ships spawn randomly in the universe with a random destination; for people to ambush and raid.
Ohhhh and they should transport 3*/4* materials instead of par/trit/dil..
cosmic ferry
@twilit imp @gaunt yacht Feedback on Faction event : Rewards aren't adequate for trouble needed to be Top 1-3 . Klingon should give 100/50/25 uncommon crystals + 5 for 4-10 positions, Romulan should give Ore and Federation should give Gas ... 500 credits simply not enough and 40 shards ... I hope by the end of event you can try to boost rewards .
twilit imp
@wintry tree Will do!
upbeat sundial
Anyone know when next act of war event is likely to happen?
limpid mantle
Panic could you post some information on long term goals with repect to resources. I mean our server is drying up, there is hardly any trit or dil to be found. Raiding is almost useless and costs more than it rewards. The 10 min emergency shield isn’t helping. Is the current state things the long term goal of scopely? @twilit imp
Or is there some change upcomming?
abstract gate
@limpid mantle Check #573867308288573450 for upcoming changes.
limpid mantle
I know, but i was wondering if we get some more events in the future in which trit or dil can be won.
abstract gate
Oh like that - they're usually never announced unless really big as in expansion size.
blazing steppe
"- Some unshielded stations can’t be attacked."
Is this that planet in atreig system or something else?
abstract gate
I believe so; it's not the envoy bug you're referring to. (Which isn't really an envoy bug but its a bug that requires your ship to be able to fill its entire cargo for combat to occur.)
blazing steppe
I know, called it envoy bug because i cannot fill envoy 😂
abstract gate
Yeah I figured; its the first ship to fail; atleast when you notice it haha
abstract gate
How are people getting over 10.000 Power increased by Building?
I just did shipyard 23, ship hanger 23, foundry, engine tech and science lab from 1 to 3; and I've only gained 995 points.
Is this a level thing? The higher level, the more points per upgrade? Actually quite fascinated by the numbers now.
(This is about the ranked Limited Time Station events btw)
rapid sky
@abstract gate yep, if you continue to level up say your science lab, the higher level the more points... for example I just did level 17 and got 400 points for it
you'd still need a ton of speedups to get to 10K (on our server top one is over 27K) but I guess it's possible
abstract gate
Yeah our server top is 15050; but with all the buildings I've sped up and made; I rank 53 lol
rapid sky
lol yeah I have no idea how you get to such high numbers 😃
I did couple of levels of science lab and now at about 2000... with no speedups used
abstract gate
Still has to be more to the maths that dictate how much power is gained. Hmm
tidal isle
Well, my offers for the augment shop were just G3 ore, wasn't sure if it was intended or a bug due to only being offered 1 type of G3, support just said they couldn't discuss packs, so I assume it's just another disappointment from scopely, wish I could have been level 25 so I actually had a reason to spend augment credits other than on officers
But they're all gone now and it's just been a waste of 2 days, would rather have had lower level rewards tbh, but oh well, can't rely on them
ruby lion
im 25 and i never had mats in my store. i did however have a 90% reduction in credits offered to me
jaunty spindle
That's new, isn't it?
hardy parcel
Ok, this event has gone on more than long enough, can we please do something else
harsh holly
Bored with it! 3 days of getting some rrs was needed but now back to mining... Oh look kill hostiles for meh! Rewards
No doubt it will be tied to the bb some crazy amount of data to be mined that can only be accomplished by have a t6 BB that mines at 20k per hour
light pumice
@twilit imp is there any rhyme or reason to the D3 cadence in the store? I have money to give scopely that I saved by eating chicken broth, crackers and spam so I am waiting its return. lol
hardy parcel
@harsh holly about 96k per hour at t6
twilit imp
@light pumice Well now, it depends if you had enough money to eat chicken and crackers then you haven't really saved up enough
I went through a phase that I ate cereal - raw 😛 with Water when I got bored
light pumice
@twilit imp...did I mention I had to eat the cracker box too for the added fiber? Need D3. 😋
harsh holly
@hardy parcel lol can you tell my bb is still store new never been used
valid horizon
PLEASE leave Khan’s repair boost in the game.🖖
hushed belfry
So today we got the message that we need the BB to be fully upgraded in able to participate in the finale. So in order to reach the highest Augment reputation we needed to buy the $20 pack to start early, and now in order to complete the event we need to buy the $50 pack, yet you still haven't fixed the bugs that prevent shields dropping prematurely and you no longer issue refunds for resources lost to this bug. Scopely sure knows how to treat their customers!
light pumice
Yeah..I am never maxing out BB. Not enough defensive capability. It may be a capable data miner, but you cant upgrade ships, buildings, or do research with Data. Need RSS, not data
keen ledge
My BB is still sitting at tier 1. Oops.
light pumice
Mine is at t2. I did all the missions with a Kumari and most of the mining stuff with an envoy. They added a few in game currencies which are faction/event specific so are of little use and not worth mining unless one is a completionist
tiny flame
Where does it say it needs to be max?
light pumice
@tiny flame I am looking for the screen. I saw it this morning on my phone. IIRC the first sentence says Max of BB for final missions
abstract gate
@light pumice u could use bb for raiding. Has better deff stats than envoy and the big cargoload saves u few trips ;)
If u dont have horizont...
@abstract gate it shoots every other round...defence platforms will tear it apart
Mine almost survives
1 weapons+shield ipgrade should do the trick
The best secondary use I've found for it is as an overnight g3 placeholder
hushed belfry
If I was ops 20 I would definitely consider pumping RSS into it for raiding, but sitting at 25 near horizon I need all that UC for buildings and horizon..
abstract gate
Well.... only if ppl politely ask u to move xD
90%+ of our server follows the overload/0node roe
tiny flame
@light pumice i would expect that a max BB will help, but to make it mandatory, would be even too much for Scopelys greed, surely.
abstract gate
Plus a 300k+ warship parked nearby deters most asshats
@abstract gate thats the most ridiculous thing i ever encountered in gaming
light pumice
@tiny flame I guess we will find out very soon. I hope to finish this next round of missions without it. All things considered, if they opened the valves on the RSS just a little this game would be more enjoyable and I would branch out and upgrade other things. Like the BB.
abstract gate
Really? With all bs scopely pulls that's your line in the sand?...ok
I mean from player side
delicate moth
My bb is also t1. I have other priorities for my rss. Having said that, in time I might level it up as a base looting ship 🤷
abstract gate
You clearly haven't played/streamed much fps lol
Cmon... ppl get pis.sed when miner killed empty. I would be pissed if miner killed with few k
Setting a few generally accepted ground rules for what constitutes a dick move (swatting miners for no reason) just makes the tedious bits less frustrating
tiny flame
Its not a good base looter @delicate moth . As like Kvort pre fix it fires every 2 rounds
abstract gate
What do u mean no reason? U r minog rss. With those rss u build ships. And with those ships i attack my base
I dont say hit every empty u see.
delicate moth
@tiny flame so it would struggle to breach a cracked station that the envoy would breach easily?
tiny flame
Yes
abstract gate
Yep
tiny flame
Well, depending on level
delicate moth
Boo 😢
tiny flame
Its certainly not beating anything with 4 guns. Ever
abstract gate
U dont crack bases with it. U just clean them out
In theory
It's defence is decent but only shooting every other round means it's effectively less than a fully tiered envoy
And what about crews?
delicate moth
Yeah, I'm talking about using it once a base is cracked and open.
abstract gate
Any crew you put in bb can be in an envoy...weapon type is kinetic though so maybe some possibilities there
Vivix for delay opponent shots
Kling pats for piercing
40% extra dmg from otto
I just turned lv 24 today so still missing the rare n epic officers from augs
But in a combo it could work
I'd rather use envoy or horizon with stonn for extra cargo capacity and actually get through
If u have horizont u dont need bb
And my bb has 216k cargo. Without stonn
loud solar
Just to note, the BB can still be used very effectively as a base raider even though it takes 5 rounds vs 3 with Envoy. It can get a cargo hold much, much larger, while also growing larger in overalls trength. A battleset focused on maximizing hull/shield regen lessens the damage to the BB.
A morale mix (Kirk/Spock) With Stonn can make this a very effective base raider
delicate moth
Mmm, I have 2 envoys I use for looting. I wondered whether the bb would work as an improved stop gap until I get a horizon. Guessing maybe not. Thanks for saving me from an expensive error 😂🖖
loud solar
BB is a great secondary raiding miner for levels 20-25ish
I encourage people to use the BB for raiding, but its all about if you're willing to tier it up
abstract gate
Kirk....
It all depends on how much rss you want to pump into a "stopgap"
Dont have. Feds hate .
delicate moth
I'll be level 26 soon, so best to wait I guess.
loud solar
well, if you're f2p, it makes more sense.
The 24-26 grind will take arguably months
so BB makes a lot more sense
loud solar
I'm currently using the BB and its better than my #2 & #3 envoys
only my completed maxed envoy does better
abstract gate
Only 3 more? I have bp's for 20+ lol....sodding pve events
loud solar
BB is at Tier 3, ready to Tier up to T4
delicate moth
I remember the struggle to get enough bps to build a second envoy. Now I could build a thousand 😂
loud solar
Just sounds like you two (Moo/Dysp) are too high to really benefit from BB
but that level 20-25ish range, especially starting earlier, BB makes a lot of sense IMO
abstract gate
@abstract gate on my server my ally is/was the 1% doing blue kills
stone grail
i can't get enough 2* parts to max first envoy let alone the BB
loud solar
For ref, I'm 23
stone grail
lol
abstract gate
Like i said I'm getting secondary use from mine
stone grail
im 250 parts of max tier envoy
loud solar
@stone grail farm hostiles. Lots of em
delicate moth
@loud solar yeah that makes sense. Had I been level 20/21 it would've been a no brainer.
stone grail
@loud solar yeah i'm gunna do some farming tonight me thinks
abstract gate
Poundsman hit Klingon separatists lv 17. Or 22 if ur higher lvl
stone grail
i've got 230k kum, so i'll go for the higher levels @abstract gate
abstract gate
@loud solar yeah I'm guessing they require rare plutonium to get that high though
loud solar
correct, but, you can still get over 220k cargo without rare plut
delicate moth
Those level 22 separatists are great for grinding out loot boxes and xp.
abstract gate
@stone grail trust me. Achillon system. Lv 17 separatist
loud solar
which is 80k better than an envoy
abstract gate
20 kills - 15-18 boxes
loud solar
HR, the drop rate is level dependent too
abstract gate
Where 1 box can drop 4 parts
loud solar
so level 17 hostles might not drop enough boxes for him
abstract gate
@delicate moth get good drops from em...upto horizon bp's
loud solar
even 17 elites
loud solar
At level 23 I have to farm the 22 elites (which are essenitally level 26 hostiles)
stone grail
im level 25
loud solar
my box rate is about 70% per 10 kills
abstract gate
Here is the catch... ur ship can kill more lv 17s in 1 run
Which gets u more boxes and in theory more parta
stone grail
i'll give it a go @abstract gate
loud solar
i mean, at 167k i can take out a lot of 22 elites in 1 run lol
abstract gate
U n ur ns
loud solar
And if my drop rate is higher with 22s, makes more sense to hit them
delicate moth
But the boxes at level 17 don't contain the goodies of the 22s.
stone grail
what system do you tend to use @loud solar
loud solar
Kol Ran
stone grail
gotcha
abstract gate
Name me 1 goodie lv 22 box has and 17 doesnt
I was getting everything up to and including horizon bp's from the 22's
loud solar
just better drop rate based on level
delicate moth
I haven't tested it systematically. Maybe it's perception bias but it seems the 22s drop better than the 17s 🤷
abstract gate
The higher lvl thing
loud solar
You're also level 25 too. I ran this test with myself and a level 31, farming Kol Ran.
I had a 70% drop rate on boxes. He had a significantly lower drop rate (about half)
abstract gate
1hr speed ups, lat, actual ship xp, bp's for common g3 warships, envoy bp's, horizon bp's, 3* ship parts (all types), etc
loud solar
I'm not sure the exact change rate, but him being 8 levels above significantly reduce what he was getting.
delicate moth
So you're saying the higher the player level, the worse the drop rate? That seems counter intuitive....
abstract gate
@abstract gate same drops like lv 17s. Hereby be mentioned.... not 1 horizont part dropped ... prob cuz lvl
I was lvl26 at the time
When separatists came up 1st time i was lv 19...3 kills before repairs
loud solar
worse drop rate based on waht you're fighting @delicate moth . Least thats how it seems. I know I tried to go hit like level 12 hostiles. The XP I got (and the box drop rate) was also much lower
abstract gate
Yeah
loud solar
yea first separatist event I was using Phindra... xD
abstract gate
Ouch...I was doing 45 boxes a run on average (kept losing count of kills)
loud solar
I barely qualifiedfor the 1st tier rewards 😦
abstract gate
Just like u dont get any xp when uchit lv24 envoy with ur bahkla
Best drops u get when killing ships over ur lvl
loud solar
yea, which can be hard to do without a maxed out ship for oyur level
ifi could go back in time, i would have maxed my phindra at like lvel 14-16
abstract gate
Me too
loud solar
We always preach maxing base/research, but we always skip on ship maxing
delicate moth
@loud solar there's definitely a sweet spot of repairs vs drops /xp with normal hostiles. But between separatist 17s and 22s I'd have thought if you're strong enough, the 22s would drop better rewards.
loud solar
@delicate moth i mean I farm the 22s every day still. Gives great officer XP
loud solar
I farmed 40k officer XP in like 3 NS runs the other day
delicate moth
Ok I'm 24, levelling up to 25. I'll stick with the 22s. My ns makes minced meat of them 😂
loud solar
lol HR
abstract gate
Sweeping nodes without scans. And then wonder what happened^^
delicate moth
I ❤ the ns 😂
loud solar
hey, I don't clear miners with my NS lol
delicate moth
Nor me. Not worth the bother 🤷
abstract gate
No but u sometimes mine withcit right?
delicate moth
Speed mining only
loud solar
my NS only has like 675 protected
delicate moth
I use mine for hostiles and raiding.
abstract gate
200k ns doesnt worries about attacks much on my server
My server: top ally has 90 mil might. My ally 35 mil. And we nr 1 killers
delicate moth
Ns is small fry on my server too. Although none are as strong as yours. But as a mostly f2p player, the ns is my work horse. The big boys could of course squash me anytime they liked.
abstract gate
I cant touch big boys base even if i hit 1 sec after cracked
delicate moth
Yep
abstract gate
Luckily our nr 1 ally isnt into pvp much
loud solar
same fuzzy. but i still get one shot by people in their 600k faction ships 😢
solemn shard
Prolly never. Scopely all about the new augment faction now.
fresh forge
I know they offered prints in the separatists events. Also wondering if that will come round again
I mean the act of war events
loud solar
What level are you @fresh forge ?
Jelly has been available in store for about a week, bout to leave
willow kelp
I’m a lvl 19 and don’t see the jelly in the store. I guess lower levels got it only. Only think I see is augment stuff
heady gale
@willow kelp At level 18 you stop seeing the jelly
@willow kelp But you should start seeing the north star
willow kelp
Thanks 49 bps is all I got. Do you know if they will run north star again
heady gale
@willow kelp they should do the north star at least once a month i believe
@willow kelp North Star makes the jelly obsolete anyway
willow kelp
Really wanted one but north star will do
heady gale
@willow kelp Jelly is helpful until you can get a north star but once you have the north star you probably would never use the jelly again
willow kelp
Ok thanks duck. I’m 2 days away from lvl 20. Maybe I will finally see the plutonium in faction store also lol
heady gale
@willow kelp good luck with that i hope you do
willow kelp
Thanks have a great day
heady gale
@willow kelp I think that is both ops level based and faction level based together
willow kelp
I will let you know in two days
heady gale
@willow kelp sounds good
ruby lion
The BB is useless unless you pay $200-$400 in upgrade packs
warm cosmos
Where’s the maintenance discussed ?
fiery dragon
Can anyone say what time of month we normally get the race to 20 event?
willow kelp
I wish it was right now. I’ll be at 20 Friday
fiery dragon
@willow kelp , same. If it’s soon I just might not click the complete button
But i feel like we are due for it
willow kelp
Lol maybe but I need to unlock grade 3 ships
ruby lion
Doesnt matter if you are 20 when it starts. All you need to do is upgrade 1 building and you get all the prizes
finite sequoia
12 blueprints from bot/bay how to get the rest without spending money 💰 on this game ? I cannot spend on fake 🤬
proud solstice
Most likely you’ll probably have to wait another year for the event to come back around that’s the way this stupid game Play’s
It’s a Pay to play games
Never mind that it’s a Flawed game with all the glitches and bugs and broken promises we want your money simple cut and dry so pay 💰 so you can play
golden abyss
@finite sequoia Augment faction store
abstract gate
Everyone getting their Kelvin anniversary pack?
Yup, all in good order here. Especially dig the kirk parts, want that one done so bad.
hardy parcel
Yep nice chest. Shame the others usually have stuff like 2,000 parsteel in them. At level 31 🤣🤣
merry fulcrum
Like the pike parts, shame I don't know how to get more
ruby lion
Does anyone even have more than 5?
weary raft
Didn’t get more than 5
atomic shore
@twilit imp will there be a special offer or an event along with the 10th aniversary?😀
harsh holly
Must be important said it 3 times
sage relic
I like the research and station events, but is there anyway to tell how many points I'll get for a particular building or piece of research?
quasi kestrel
Check hivemind
north ibex
For those curious about the jelly. It disappears from the store once u lvl to 18
abstract gate
And it’s ok for a few levels and becomes useless really fast :/
It's a nice ramp in power to invest in Explorer research and focus on the Jellyfish whilst working onwards to Vahklas as opposed to taking the 'early power' strategy with Interceptor research and Phindra/Kehra. Jellyfish has a place. ^^
tiny flame
At max its still better than a t4 vahklas with no shield @abstract gate
rapid sky
my (fully leveled) Jelly is 63K, my tier2 Vahklas ia already 82K...
Jellyfish have a good place at lower levels, especially as you don't need to focus on leveling up 3 ships
sage relic
@quasi kestrel , not seeing that information on the upgrades, is there some other command I'm missing?
merry fulcrum
How do you get pike?
tiny flame
Dont just focus on power @rapid sky. Hit some ships, check the logs, sounds like you will be surprised.
rapid sky
lol then what should I focus on? pretty much every stat is better on Vakhlas, except for officers bonus? either way I'm not really using the vakhlas, I only built it at level 25 because I have too much trit I can't use
tiny flame
Try it, go kill as many hostiles aa u can, same crew. What kills more?
rapid sky
Kumari 😛
tiny flame
Or my sally. But yes. Max Jelly better than t2 Vahklas, id bet my wife on it.
Hope you win 😬
rapid sky
so I attacked 10xlvl 22 explorers, my JF hull went down from 25K to 16K, my Vak from 24K to 17K...
JF takes on average 115 hull damage from NPC attack, Vak around 105
you can keep your wife, I already have one 😃
tiny flame
Ok, thanks. What crew are you using?
rapid sky
Uhura as captain, bones/arkady on the bridge, probably not the most ideal one, just used some random officers I had available
spiral forge
still better to invest in long term ship, if you have the Vahklas. JF will be fast over overhelmed
tiny flame
I completely agree that JF is short term, but I also believe it lasts longer than people believe. For example, you could definitely skip Kehra and go straight to Vahklas. And maybe even hold out to Kumari which is head and shoulders above the other common ships.
Depends how fast you are levelling really.
thick pine
excuse me what is JF ( the jelly ship? )
tiny flame
Yep, jellfyfish
thick pine
fine ship
got it to 51k ish
using vahklas atm 145k.. dinged 24 and will have kumari soon™ darn vaults !
rapid sky
@tiny flame for me I skipped Vakhlas and used Kehra up to level 24, Vakhlas eats into UC ore while Kehra doesn't 😉
and yes, JF is a good ship and I continued using it at level 20/21 while leveling up my Kehra, no doubt about that
chilly venture
Well crystals are as precious or even more for me. I skipped both Kehra and Vahklas and used NS, it was even better 😄
rapid sky
lol
thick pine
c'mon NS event cmoon!
rapid sky
for Kumari you need mostly ore 😃
thick pine
ore with what exactly? crystal?
rapid sky
ore & crystal but much more ore... 3-4 times more
thick pine
kk thx
rapid sky
NS is also a crystal hogger
thick pine
got 199 ore atm, 3 more vaults then shipyard then kumari to build
hope i get good procs on ore till it's finished !!
rapid sky
well that would last till half way to T4
I had about 400 when I built the Kumari, all gone...
and still need 200 more to finish T4 upgrades to T5
and always remember... #refinerysucks!
thick pine
how strong is that halfway T4?
rapid sky
if I had to guess probably around 175Kish
thick pine
nice
rapid sky
with strong officers
rapid sky
mine is around 230K, armor upgrade was about 20K, kinetic weapon about 10K, then 5 levels each around 2Kish
so probably even more than 175K
I use the Romulan crew, Javaid as captain
Livis/Arix on the bridge
thick pine
nice got those
rapid sky
and then random officers to increase the bonus to 50/60/60
thick pine
1452 Javaid / 1572 Livis and 546 Arix ( can upg him )
spiral forge
@tiny flame : agree. I also skip the Kehra. (ive just tier it up once or twice). You can also skip kumari, but maybe youll have to buy one of the first fed ship, cause the time is long til lvl 28. The question was upgrading JF if you you get Vahklas already? In that case i dont see interest of investing in JF anymore
thick pine
my kehra is at 31 and will sit there
rapid sky
@spiral forge if you get JF on earlyish levels and focus only on it (there isn't much point in upgrading other 2* ships) you can probably get it all the way up before level 20
spiral forge
sure, JF is the very good ship , til a certain lvl. @thick pine
thick pine
used mine till 22 and still using it till i get my kumari
fine ship i;d say ! had an 1k epic kirk with enterprisde crew on it
since i was lvl 19 😃
enterprise crew*
spiral forge
@thick pine : kehra is good too. Just say i agree with monobrow, you can keep ress by skipping one or two ships btween vahklas, kejra and kumari
thick pine
yeah true you must choose one of them to focus
little focus on vahklas for me, none on kehra and will give it all to kumari
i will sit a while at 24 for sure
spiral forge
kumari is awesome!
rapid sky
@thick pine you need 80 UC ore to upgrade ops to 25 so it's a difficult decision 😉
rapid sky
lol
spiral forge
maybe something like : JF>Vhaklas>kumari>saladin (if your in fed). Also JF>kehra>kumari>saladin could work. Or JF>vahklas>mayflower.
rapid sky
lol I suppose any of those could work, I got stuck with my Kehra around T5 because refinery never gave me any rare crystals
on the other hand I have dozens of both rare gas and ore
merry fulcrum
When's the race to ops 20?
weary raft
After debating whether to stay at lvl 23, I’ve given in to the Kumari argument and moving to lvl 24
olive rover
It's worth it, worth more to upgrade that compared to all the 3* ships iirc.
rapid sky
@weary raft what were the arguments in favor of staying at lvl23?
tiny flame
Yeah, Kumari will last you into killing low level 30 hostiles np
U will need something else for 34/35+ tho
olive rover
Pretty much from what I learned, the uncommon faction ships aren't worth it till 28, which is when you unlock the Saladin iirc?
Especially the Mayflower 
tiny flame
Not true. D3 is great, legionary good, mayflower not so much..
But yes, the 28 ships are all better. As they should be tho, right?
They cost a ton more to get, you need rep, tokens and upgrades way more
If a pay2win d3 was as good as a saladin, wed have a different kind of problem
abstract gate
Well...they cost a ton more to get if you are in a hurry. The 26 ships just straight up cost a ton and all suck...except payflower that both sucks and blows
#payflowersucks
tiny flame
A ton of people on my server have the D3, its a great ship if u arent fed