@olive wraith at 32m rep or when scopely finishes programming them
#💬-general-feedback
midnight pilot
olive wraith
hmmmm
nimble mural
The more serious answer is in the Rogue Faction Store @olive wraith
nimble mural
I believe he's being sarcastic Bats
midnight pilot
@frigid jolt well wasn't scoundrel b4 on panics podcast, vid.. Maybe it got changed
frigid jolt
Nothing changed
lucid zodiac
Either remove the level 15-16-17, or whenever it is limitation on getting the Jellyfish, or remove it from the Live Target Practice events. So sick of chasing these milestones because a couple a-holes that were able to unravel the mysteries of how to unlock this vessel keep swooping in & killing practically every other vessel in the system then warping out to repair. Several of us on our server were chasing these milestones right up to the deadline cause of this. Just make the vessel available & remove stupid cutoff point & be done it already...
Fact is, one of a-hole Jellyfish swooping in & out of Urthak & Pareleon probably made their 45 point by midnight, but is still swooping in & killing practically every other vessel in their target range.
Meanwhile, I'm still trying to get the 18 points milestone.
karmic rover
The hit box for player ships, stations and hostiles is too big. Selecting specific things and locations is frustrating to say the least
@nova sierra this is driving me crazy
nova sierra
Attention commanders: due to your overwhelming feedback we will no longer run the faction hunt event!
unique oak
Live Target Practice Feedback: It's definitely best to avoid a big-fish-small-pond situation with pvp level ranges, but it's really difficult to even find anyone I can fight when most of the server is still holding around 14-16. +-2 levels is pretty restrictive later on when there's not that many people there yet.
robust helm
Pretty sure none of us have a clue 😅
@onyx dock They're systems with fast nodes according to LCARS
Each system is for gas crystal and ore
The ships mine at 1.5 Times the regular speed there
But since getting there requires tokens.... You need a really big Protected caargo limit
tribal thunder
Please can you look at the ship instant repair button, it’s very close to the speed up button and I’ve lost count of the number of times I’ve pressed it accidentally and wasted increasing sums of latinum. Very frustrating
lucid zodiac
@lucid zodiac use Alex Marcus, Krell, Mirek. Stack defense below deck. That crew on a talla kills jellies easily
@safe jacinth if I had those, I'd give it a shot, but of those 3 I got nada.
Live Target Practice Feedback: It's definitely best to avoid a big-fish-small-pond situation with pvp level ranges, but it's really difficult to even find anyone I can fight when most of the server is still holding around 14-16. +-2 levels is pretty restrictive later on when there's not that many people there yet.
@unique oak it was hard enough to avoid them with 4 PVP systems at lvl 18-19, but with drop to 3 PVP systems at lvl 20, it's even more painful. Most of the a-holes doing run & gun with the Jelly for this event were lvl 23s, so many of us lvl 20-21s didn't have hope in hades racking up any kills.
steel cedar
Having the borg stuff in the refinery now seems in consistent with what the faction store has become. Plus it’s awfully annoying to see that red bubble when you just have some nanoprobes you’re saving. Recommend moving that to the faction store, despite borg not really being a faction. Perhaps a new name for the store is in order.
Also, we ought to have a place to trade in blueprints we don’t want for something we do want
shell fractal
Please revert to the old style targeting. It is inferior to the old targeting system for a few reasons:
- No more tactical "hiding". Flattens pvp
- Makes it far more difficult to target what you want because the hitboxes are so large. The new targeting MIGHT work if the hitboxes were the size of the old ones.
- Next to impossible to defend base raids now cause you can't click on the ship you want to hit.
- Multi-alliance base raids will cause a huge amount of friendly fire now.
short owl
scopely lying once again, mocking everyone. @delicate sentinel
short owl
my bad...
anyway scopely is ssssooooo quick to implement various dodgy stuff .. but unbelievably slow in fixing defects
robust helm
@short owl
@onyx dock But why? why not give us Khan? I mean every month there is gonna be an arc or something... So now instead of getting 5 shards a week, we get 5 shards once every month when the event has ended
This is just a sneaky way of adding a change that people disliked
You can't just slap " only for the arc" and wait till everyone stops missing him
onyx dock
Let's not go boycotting up in here, that'll not fly. As for why, I can't say. I simply don't know why they didn't stick with just having Khan. But I can imagine that it may be because of the very existing group of players that already have Khan maxed. A temporary change to appease everyone should certainly be something that we can all understand. We don't want to see our fellow commanders distraught by feeling ignored.
The masses will get their way and Khan will return as the standard. But occasionally, just every now and then - some credits for the people who already have them.
short owl
Let's not go boycotting up in here, that'll not fly. As for why, I can't say. I simply don't know why they didn't stick with just having Khan. But I can imagine that it may be because of the very existing group of players that already have Khan maxed. A temporary change to appease everyone should certainly be something that we can all understand. We don't want to see our fellow commanders distraught by feeling ignored.
The masses will get their way and Khan will return as the standard. But occasionally, just every now and then - some credits for the people who already have them.
@onyx dock why not? what they are NOT DOING means mockery to players
and their support is near minus infinite
game costs ENORMOUS $$$$$$
short owl
it not normal to treat people with such dissrepect
robust helm
Let's not go boycotting up in here, that'll not fly. As for why, I can't say. I simply don't know why they didn't stick with just having Khan. But I can imagine that it may be because of the very existing group of players that already have Khan maxed. A temporary change to appease everyone should certainly be something that we can all understand. We don't want to see our fellow commanders distraught by feeling ignored.
The masses will get their way and Khan will return as the standard. But occasionally, just every now and then - some credits for the people who already have them.
@onyx dock I'm not denying the frustration of the ones who have maxed khan... But majority don't even have him or have him at a low level
But it just isn't fair to cater to a select few whales
I mean even the majority of whales don't have a maxed Khan
short owl
Not everyone is in your exact position.
@onyx dock true, many people don't understand what a defect is and theyr money are being practically wasted
you couldnt said it better
robust helm
Infact the second largest player of our server who is my alliance mate said on AC that he maxed out Khan.... And he was a lv 44 already
onyx dock
@short owl Yet here you are, feeling that you are the sole party to be served at this feast. You are not. You are expected to follow the #509679626763632642 and mind your caps and what you say. I'm happy to have a discussion but this is not to be a broadcasting of opinions contest where nobody is actually listening.
@robust helm And so we don't always. Just sometimes. That should be fine for those who make it possible to play for free.
robust helm
@robust helm And so we don't always. Just sometimes. That should be fine for those who make it possible to play for free.
@onyx dock If Khan was replaced with someone like Pike or Epic borg officers, players on the other hand would have been jumping around in joy
onyx dock
( For the record, I need Khan. Mines only 2% and I need that upgrade bad )
robust helm
Or even simply Transporter patterns
short owl
@[EMH MkI] John did u just deleted my #StopPayingScopely message?
onyx dock
@robust helm Agreed. 100%. And we've told them as such.
robust helm
@[EMH MkI] John did u just deleted my #StopPayingScopely message?
@short owl Yeah... ruless....
onyx dock
@short owl See #509679626763632642 for what content is allowed.
short owl
it not allowed to criticize?
onyx dock
This discord will not serve to be a place of protest. We can't moderate that, we don't have the resources as a volunteer team.
short owl
people should stop paying a service that treats them with lack of respect...
i understand monetization but way scopely is doing is way too much
all players are considered and agressively targeted as wallet targets
c'mon
onyx dock
I feel what you're saying, really.
short owl
it is a general feedback channel
robust helm
it not allowed to criticize?
@short owl You can criticize... not protest😅
short owl
LOL?
seriously?
ok then ... i critisize scopely for the applied policy, for lack of respect towards players and people should stop paying for the packages until this service works acceptable for a paying condition.
is this better?
robust helm
You can basically express your dislikes but encouraging others to dislike something is classified as a protest I guess
onyx dock
Yes, this'll do.
onyx dock
I'm not going to moderate your every word. Don't seek the edge of what is and isn't allowed.
robust helm
I'd sympathise with the devs if it was a cheaper game with a very low number of players and if it was a fan creation or an independent something
onyx dock
Same @robust helm
short owl
I'm not going to moderate your every word. Don't seek the edge of what is and isn't allowed.
@onyx dock mate your helping scopely this way.
yes, game should be 100 times cheaper
onyx dock
@short owl If this platform goes unchecked, it'll be undone. Then none of us will have a place to express ourselves.
short owl
btw. speaking of great scopely, what it the thing with practice event and jelly? why in the h.e.l.l are these ships included in this? Asking because NONE of the other ships from the event are able to kill a jelly
nimble mural
Yes they are, with the right crew
olive wraith
we need more lvl 32 swarm systems. they're so awfully full @delicate sentinel
onyx dock
@olive wraith 100% and we've forwarded to the devs. 🤞
olive wraith
when they already work on it. 1 or 2 more lvl 35 swarm were also nice
mild hemlock
@short owl Epic Kirk (cap), Mirek & Krell with lots of defence based crew below deck will make a tidy hole in a jelly.
😉
trail bear
Still hate active mining
Why doesn’t Scopley sell Little Jelly packs when the pvp event is offered? I think a lot of us would buy that were not able to get it through the traditional method.
somber dew
Another vote for undoing the targeting changes in the last update. Fairly difficult to defend a base raid now. Only targets bases. Base raid defense is a key component in pvp in this game. Can’t even do that.
short owl
@short owl Epic Kirk (cap), Mirek & Krell with lots of defence based crew below deck will make a tidy hole in a jelly.
@mild hemlock worked also with yuki and 2xMarcus. However I still don't get why they put jelly in such event. I understand that jelly was a payed whip and used for a brief period of time, then people complaining they don't do anything with that ship anymore, but at least jelly should have acces only on specific systems during these events. THAT IS BECAUSE NOT EVERYONE HAS ANTIJELLY CREW.
quasi wren
Why couldn’t you have this maxed at 40.?
elder hornet
Stop with the event overload days! I’m losing out on 7k battle pass points cause I don’t have time to complete a useless pvp event and half the threat from beyond heroic. With dailies and the other event there is not enough time in the day to complete everything!
lucid zodiac
Why doesn’t Scopley sell Little Jelly packs when the pvp event is offered? I think a lot of us would buy that were not able to get it through the traditional method.
@trail bear I know I'd buy it, especially if they threw it out there for lvl 18+ players at $15.99 instead of $32.99, so we don't feel like they're ripping us off (one of the excuses I was given as to why it's not available to me at my current lvl they don't want players to feel like they've been cheated out of cash)...
To be honest, they should open up the ability to get the Jelly to everyone who is passed current point to get it (whenever that is, I still haven't found that out) if they intend to keep it as part of the LTP events. I missed out on it purely because of all the misinformation that is out there about how to get it, I know I'm not alone in this, several others on our server have expressed the same frustrations.
It's particularly annoying for me, as I started playing after seeing promo stuff featuring the Jelly & my main reason for playing was to unlock it.
dry hedge
Night all😎
drifting crypt
108 Days...18 Billion Steel....what’s wrong with you Scopely !? 🤦🏻♂️
outer blade
Where are the borg officers?
short owl
108 Days...18 Billion Steel....what’s wrong with you Scopely !? 🤦🏻♂️
@drifting crypt you are very far ... in fibbonaci numbers ... and still at the beggining if u don't understand scopely's vision :))))))))))))))
drifting crypt
@short owl $copl€¥ 😘😉
short owl
you forgot £
short owl
oh c'mon
frigid jolt
short owl
are you reffering to: No discussion of lawsuits or legal action against Scopely.
?
this is censorship 🙂
short owl
ok, let me see
would this work?
it does not want to change :)))
i changed into #iStopedPayingScopely...
it does not refresh
@frigid jolt does this work? it not refering to nothing but a real personal achievement.
frigid jolt
I guess 🤔 but why the #?
slate magnet
You forgot to at ore as a reward for the latinum event, second week in a row... thank you for nothing
woven flare
Apex event is impossible with a small alliance
7500 tokens for 1st tier. 30k for top tier. 5 tokens a day per member
or am I missing something here
There’s only 6 of us haha
olive wraith
@delicate sentinel when and why does scopely delete players from an active alliance?
I expect a good explanation for this and not the usual blah blah.
I'm pretty angry about it
quick coral
@olive wraith the alliance may be active, but are the players? Sometimes they remove inactive players from the game...
frigid jolt
If player is inactive (never logged in to his account during x time) they do that and usually that x time is months
If they are that inactive it shouldnt matter if they are in your alliance or not
olive wraith
hmmm😡
stable timber
it was 3 months at some point in the past iirc
frigid jolt
Yeah it used to be 3months,not sure now
latent valley
Did about 80 researches (~45 before the event started) didnt get the frame though 👀
frigid jolt
@latent valley contact support
nova sierra
Any idea where I can go to get my account restored?
I tried support and there isnt any....
nova sierra
Awesome....that's what I was afraid. Thanks Bats
barren patrol
Same with me @latent valley
teal falcon
In response to the faction store reset bug for some and not others ...
dark lotus
😂@teal falcon dude I got the same response because I had 160 credits from the monthly rewards from may 2019 and I couldn't use them and I was given the same generic response. Goodluck
teal falcon
Crazy robot customer service 😂 it's a disgrace how Scopely treat you as an individual, I don't know about everyone else but to gain an advantage of 3 badges of each profession is around £150 for free for some and a huge advantage. What they don't seem to get is that they will say "there are badges available now to get" which means nothing as the other players who got the free badges still have the advantage. 🤷♂️@dark lotus
dark lotus
@teal falcon I don't get those off faction chests and besides this event I don't get them for free unlimited I grind each faction above associate.
olive wraith
where are the compensating chests?? i got nothing
midnight pilot
@olive wraith compensation chests were for those not able to complete milestones, you only got compensation if you missed milestones because of research already done in those 4hrs downtime
A different breed got 0, as need to spend 36500 lat in speedups was working as intended.
To speedup 210d of buildings at base in 7d.
Fact that 2nd time round you had 3d to get those resources means nothing,
Generic response was
I understand your frustration it's supposed to be hard to acquire vidar that everyone in Borg event got free in 3 weeks in 7 days. Working as intended.
So basicly what they were saying is its intended to be impossible to reach top milestone and very hard to get lowest milestone. So we threw an impossible event in cos couldn't think of anything lvls 23 to 27 could do.
But for ops 20 to 23 event, 1 building satisfied top milestone, not intended.
And ops 27 plus compensated for their events in full.
cerulean quest
When do we get these chest ? Did most research before event , stil didn’t see a chest that was promest yesterday 😔.
@olive wraith same here
@midnight pilot that’s was for something else , goku means what was told by scopely yesterday , check offficale announcements
midnight pilot
@cerulean quest it states you may be receiving for research in outlaw tree b4 event started.
Since event was only for 27 plus noone else will receive it.
Also stated in post b4 only for non completed milestones would compensation as can't get rewards twice. Once for completion then comp is double rewards.
So only missing milestones to be compensated, and only research relating to the event
cerulean quest
Im above level 27 , scopely should have not started the event , just another screw up 😂
barren minnow
It is said that the Different Breed event is taking place on the server, where I can get a blueprint on Vidar. I saw him at the beginning when I upgraded Operation to 27 lvl and then disappeared. How do I get to build Vidar when I don't have blueprints and now I'm improving to 28 lvl. ( EU 164 - ID p4edfdb2d78b )
olive wraith
this sys show 3* crys mines but there are 2* crys in it
fervent goblet
They flip once they are drained.
nova bear
Server 18 needs a merger
midnight pilot
@barren minnow sorry kage but that events for 23 to 27 only but not to worry it's nigh on impossible anyway unless you have 300d speedups or 35k lat
somber cairn
I've completed all the Augment missions except Retrofit, but I don't have all my Botany Bay bps, the update after the Borg must have missed me.
nova bear
Can we speed up the merger process!!!!!!!!!
quasi wren
Ya 18 want to go into 15 cuss its afraid of 17 😆 .
lucid rock
Where can I go to find out why I was excluded from the payout for research? I completed the tree well past the ability to build Stella, so not sure why I would have been excluded.
Hoping to get my demeaning and belittling answer here fast instead of waiting 8 days for it from Customer Service like mynlast request to them.
quasi wren
The only research that scored was the ones prior to unlocking stella
lucid rock
I had well more than enough below the Stella research completed tho
Nobody in my entire alliance has received their chest
quasi wren
If you had started prior to event start those points didnt count. I would send in a ticket
lucid rock
So Panic was lying when he said it was for people who started prior to event? That doesn't make sense.
frigid jolt
@lucid rock did you finish elite event?
lucid rock
No, I could not. I did all the research up front and then had a family member pass away and put up a 3 day bubble.
All.of it was done before the event was eventually launched.
frigid jolt
You should have gotten compensation for the milestones you missed. Contact support,they can check and tell you what happened
short owl
but why they cant do a thing right from the start?
they ask serious $$$ for low quality content
poor testing and many production defect
how this works? high price and low content?
3xPremium chests, plenty officers that need shards, they drop for already full officers. This is how players are treated.
This is how players are GUARANTEED respected
Absolute joke
quick coral
@short owl if you pull a common or uncommon officer shard that you have already received maximum possible shards for, it will automatically be converted to officer xp.
If you pull a rare or epic officer shard that you have already maxed, it will be converted to transporter patterns.
While annoying when first encountering this, it is actually very handy down the road when you need tons of officer xp for promotions and training.
stark osprey
SCOPLEY cmon ppl have jobs and a life 6 different facti9ns to hunt at one time. why not throw in data mining again too. SPREAD IT OUT A LITTLE!
vague holly
Yeah @short owl You got the shards you were guaranteed....you just did not need them so instead of disappearing into the nether you got Officer XP for them.
I guess they could have just given you shards for Officers you already had enough shards to max though....that would be better right? To have shards you have no way to possibly use?
short owl
Yeah @short owl You got the shards you were guaranteed....
@vague holly NO, stop defending this mechanism. ALL SHARDS OF FULL OFFICERS MUST BE REMOVED FROM THE AVAILABLE SHARDS PULL. People buy packs for officer shards, NOT XP.
Or at least scopely should provide a good explanation for this mechanism, not the jokes that support is doing. Officially in the documentation app. Oh wait there is a very poor help documentation :).
vague holly
It's a great mechanism IMO.
If you'd rather have shards for officers you already have enough shards to max that's on you
instead, you get something for them
for example, I have Cadet Uhura maxed, along with most of the cadets
short owl
the conversion is for MAXED possible officers. You do not need anymore those shards. your money goes the drain.
vague holly
When I get shards for those Officers I get Officer XP instead of Shards I will never be able to use
the conversion is for MAXED possible officers. You do not need anymore those shards. your money goes the drain.
@short owl Yeah, you hit the nail on the head, you don't need those shards anymore, so instead of getting the shard you don't need you get Officer XP
much better than getting a shard you don't need IMO
vague holly
and you got shards, but the shards you did not need were converted to XP
vague holly
ok, so you'd rather just get shards for Officers you already have maxed, gotcha
short owl
:)))
NO
let me explained again
teoretically: u have 10 officers. Each officer shards 100 spread-out across promotion levels.
vague holly
exactly
short owl
for 2 officers u gathered all shards = 100 of them. So u can max it ..
vague holly
so would you rather get 101 shards or 100 shards + Officer XP
vague holly
I'll take 100 Shards + Officer XP over 101 shards any day
short owl
instead .. i need one from the other pool of 900 shards available
not from the 100 i already collected
vague holly
yeah, you are right, you don't need those shards, so instead of giving you those shards, they are giving you something you can use
short owl
NO, guarranteed means GUARANTEED. It does not say about any conversion.
and conversion if there is, should worth .. 2500 is dust
vague holly
ok, so you'd rather get 101 shards when you only need 100 to max an officer, gotcha
short owl
i woud rather want 1 from the other 900 available not 101
what you say is that all is predetermined
and this is absolute BS
vague holly
but that's not what it says, it does not say you are guaranteed a shard for an officer you don't have maxed, just that you are guaranteed a shard
you got the shard, it was then converted to something useful
short owl
mate, 1st conversion is not documented
vague holly
think of it like a TCG, you can only have 4 copies of a card in your deck, so when you go to buy a pack, what happens when you get a 5th card you can't use in your deck?
you are stuck with it
short owl
second it is imposed, player has no chose on what he purchased.
vague holly
or you can sell it
vague holly
in this case, the sale is automatic and you get Officer XP
short owl
sale must not be automatic .. it is my money conversted in a forced mechanism not favouring the player and favouring scopely
vague holly
so you'd rather you get that 101st shard then there was a refinery where you could trade it for Officer XP?
short owl
should be .. want XP or money back
vague holly
I'd rather it just be automatic
I mean that's the alternative here, getting shards you just don't need and can never use
short owl
no, money back or shard from another officer that has not reached maxed collectable shards
this mechanism is a scam
not documented
vague holly
just like opening packs for TCGs like Magic, sometimes you get stuff you already got
vague holly
personally, I'm glad I get something instead of a shard for an officer i already have maxed
short owl
again, it is maxed collectable is reached, then a shard for another office where maxed collectable has not been reached
emphasize on guaranteed .. period
vague holly
again, it does not say you are guaranteed shards for officers you don't have max shards for, just guaranteed shards....you got those shards, you did not need them, they were converted
vague holly
it's better this way than getting the shards you don't need
short owl
player does not know in advance about this
this is a scam
this is fraud
u go to a shop buy an iphone and you get a brick
what you do?
vague holly
but you got what you paid for, you got shards for officers that you already had max shards for
short owl
brick cand still make calls . are u happy?
NO
this is what im saying ..
officer xp is not part of this
vague holly
ok, so you would rather just get shards for officers you already have max shards for, gotcha
because that's the alternative here that would fit what it says you will get
short owl
again youre going to a shop buy iphone 1000$ you get a nokia 1100 because seller stock reached zero
vague holly
those comparisons don't make sense, in those you are getting something other than what was advertised
short owl
ok, so you would rather just get shards for officers you already have max shards for, gotcha
@vague holly i dont understand why your keeping saying this
are u a dev?
in scopely team
?
otherwise i cant understand whye your missintepretting this
vague holly
in this case, you got exactly what was advertised, you got shards, just some of those shards were for officers you already have max shards for. Now, would you rather get those shards or something actually marginally useful?
vague holly
I know I'd rather get Officer XP rather than Shards for Officers i already have maxed
short owl
from my persoective this is a scam
vague holly
then you are looking at it wrong, because you could just be getting shards for officers you already have max shards for, instead you are getting something
you got the shards you were guaranteed, they never guaranteed those shards were for officers you did not have max shards for
when you got those shards, they were then converted to Officer XP, but you got the shards
You got what you were guaranteed, so how is it a scam?
short owl
give me a sec as this takes a bit more time to write... hang on please
quick coral
@vague holly @short owl while I am not a mod, but I think this may be more appropriate to move this discussion to PM's... arguing about this mechanic in a feedback channel is not the best place for it.
vague holly
probably true, I'm done anyway, he keeps saying he did not get what he was guaranteed and I keep explaining to him how he did, and he again says he did not. In fact, he did get the shards, they were just converted because he did not need them.
nova bear
Has there been any progress in merging server 18
chrome elk
Can anyone explain why the Outlaw research pack has a picture with Alpha Particles yet there are none actually in the pack?
vague holly
Generic Outlaw Picture?
short owl
@vague holly
vague holly
Ok, but again, it does not say you are guaranteed shards for officer you do not have max shards for, just that you are guaranteed shards
You got shards
you did not need shards so the game converted them for you
short owl
the number of available shards must allways decrease with maxed collected for an officer, Period
vague holly
no, that's not the way it works
you can still get shards for officers you have max shards for
nowhere does it say you will not
you can and you do
short owl
yeah, it is not. it is a scam currently
vague holly
it is not a scam
short owl
why not?
vague holly
you get what it says you will get
did you not get shards? Yes, you did. you got shards for officers you already had max shards for, they were then converted to XP
so you got the shards you were guaranteed
short owl
mate, you dont see the most important thing: legally conversion to XP does not exists
vague holly
It does not say you are guaranteed shards for officer you need shards for, just that you are guaranteed shards
short owl
this is why, those officer shards should be removed
this is why i tell is a bad implementation that works like a scam
look at the picture .. pls
vague holly
but you got the shards
next time you open a pack, don't hit skip, actually go through it, it shows you getting the shard you were guaranteed then converting that useless shard into something useful
short owl
no, its a scam, i got the same shards multiple times. which is a scam
vague holly
that's not a scam
it never says you will get shards you need instead of shards you don't
short owl
perhaps i expressed bad,
short owl
i got shards for an officer that does not need anymore, and converted by a mechanism that does not exist legally
LEGALLY
thus is a scam
vague holly
you read it is "Guaranteed shards I need" but that is not what it says, it simply says "Guaranteed Shards"
you got those shards
those shards were then converted
short owl
point me to the help section where it is stated the conversion
if it is not then it is a scam
vague holly
point me to where it says you are guaranteed shards you actually need
short owl
GUARANTEED
vague holly
and yes, if you go through it manually instead of hitting skip, you will in fact see that you got shards
you are getting shards
you just don't need them
short owl
vague holly
yes, and you get them
short owl
if i dont need them then scopely must create a mechanism to decide ME as owner of those shards what to do with them
vague holly
it does not say "Guaranteed Shards for Officers you do not have max shards for" just "Guaranteed" You do in fact get shards, they are just shards you do not need, so the game converts them to something you can use
short owl
they are mine, so scopely does not have the right do convert them
vague holly
so you would rather get shards on officers you already have max shards for?
short owl
i need to have the right mecanism that is suitable for me as a player and a buyer to decide what I woudl do with them
not what scopely coded with 10 left hands
vague holly
fact is, you get the shards, again, don't click skip, just go through the opening, you'll see yourself get shards for officers you have maxed then it converts them
short owl
for example i want to give them to other team mates
vague holly
that's not how it works
short owl
oh, but that would break scopley monetization logic, right?
vague holly
it gives you random shards, you are guranteed a certain number of them, but not guranteed who they are for, they can be for officers you already have max shards for
would you rather those shards sit in your inventory with nothing you can do with them or would you rather get some Officer XP?
short owl
we can talk infinite i guess, as a player I will defend every time the customer not the developer
vague holly
they could just continue to give us shards for officers we already have max shards for
short owl
which anyway provides too low value for what asks
vague holly
instead, they convert those useless shards in to something useful
short owl
not by my will as owner
vague holly
that directly benefits the player
vague holly
it adds up
vague holly
are you really saying that you think 1 Uncommon Officer shard should be worth 1 million Officer XP?
that's ludicrous
short owl
ANY SHARD converted at least 1 mil
that is because owner has no decision over conversion
maybe i want crustals, maybe i want ship xp
lusty crystal
You don't own anything in this game. Read the TOS
short owl
if i buy i own
vague holly
the shard was then converted to XP because it was worthless to you
lusty crystal
Nope, read the TOS
vague holly
yeah, he's right, you could spend $10000 on this game today and then they pull the plug tomorrow....nothing you could do about that
vague holly
because you don't actually own a dang thing
vague holly
that's how it works with any online game
vapid oar
Wow
The only thing guaranteed is the type of shards - Uncommon or better in this case
vague holly
hopefully, once he starts getting Transporter Patterns for Rare's and Epic's he'll understand this system is actually beneficial to the player
short owl
where does that officialy is explained?
vague holly
it's right there in the SS you posted
you are the one who added extra words in to it to think you are guaranteed shards only for officer you do not have maxed shards for
short owl
no, mate i know of that and probably should be implemented on lower officers
vague holly
it does not say that, it just says you are guaranteed shards, which you do get
vapid oar
5 shards, guaranteed uncommon or better.
Not complicated
short owl
normally when it is not documented then dev can modify wothout warning as suits for him
that is a scam
that is fraud
vague holly
no it is not, because you get the shards
short owl
every feature has to be documented
vague holly
again, if you don't click skip it will show you getting the shards
short owl
lack of documentation is also fraud and scam
vague holly
then it shows something useful happening to that shard instead of just sitting there being not useful at all
vague holly
so you would rather have over max shards?
because that's the alternative here
you got the shards you were guaranteed
short owl
i just challenge the conversion
mechanism is incomplete and not in favour of player
its just monetize policy
vapid oar
You play the game they give you. Conversion is part of the game. Get over it
vague holly
it is absolutely in favor of the player....instead of nothing we get Officer XP
I would much rather get Officer XP than over max shards
that'
s beneficial to me
short owl
mate, don't get me wrong i get what u say. But why we should accept whatever scopley throws at us?
were are the customers and we shoud decide what is good for us
one mechanism or nothing is a no customer attidude
this is not value the customer
this is put something in his mouth to chew and kick him one in the bottom to go home
this is actually what im saying
vague holly
again though, the alternative is to simply keep having shard count go up
then perhaps add a refinery in which you could trade those shards for the same amount of Officer XP we currently get
which is just an extra unnecessary step
lucid rock
Came back to see if anyone left me constructive feedback why I might not have received the promised rewards compensation.
lament marsh
@vague holly what he’s trying to suggest as a game feedback is that once you received the max shards for an officer, he’s pulled out of all the recruit chest so you have chances to max the rest.
@short owl although your feedback isn’t bad, what happens once you maxed all common officers (70% chances)? You’d be pulling only uncommon officers and maxing them way faster than what was intended? And then you’d be getting rares officers only from a common officer chest?
In other words, a Common recruit box would at some point give only rare officers at 100% chances, making also the statement in the recruit box, a lie.
Your suggestion could possibly work if there pure recruit chests for common, uncommon, rare and epic. However, they’re all mixed
short owl
True, but then a mechanism like transporter patterns could be implemented. This way player money are not wasted on low offxp values.
verbal sparrow
if scopely could stop price gouing new server packs that'd be ideal, pretty despicable actions to abuse your player base in the firstplace
dawn nexus
Most of this isn’t feedback but generic complaints. Can you goto Galaxy chat for that
frigid jolt
This is FEEDBACK channel,not complaints
frank forum
I would like to feed back that in general I'm nott happy about being fleeced
short owl
I would like to feed back that in general I'm nott happy about being fleeced
@frank forum absolute truth
dawn nexus
Then choose to not make anymore purchases or take it through official avenues
frank forum
Then choose to not make anymore purchases or take it through official avenues
@dawn nexus Yep, that's the plan - no more $$$ until the same value for money
dawn nexus
You don’t get official responses in Discord, this isn’t what the platform is for
There are announcements but Panic is not CEO of Scopely or an executive.
So what you’re looking for, you likely will not get
Fairly confident Panic is aware of sentiment and will feedback if he thinks it’s appropriate to do so and then the people above him will decide from there, you expect an “official response” to your cries of fraud and scamming within space of a day to a video posted in the middle of night?
dawn nexus
Wasn’t me 🙈
short owl
actually was deleted real feedback about outlaws new shiny product. Well done. That being said, this channel is not for feedback as uniquely defined here, but for anything alse but real feedback
Work well done.
dawn nexus
Useful comments again, sarcastic inflammatory
What’s that about being an adult I suggested
dawn nexus
Wasn’t me ?
short owl
Wasn’t me ?
@dawn nexus as i wrote " actually was deleted" i did not said you.
also having different content on different servers for same price is not inflamatory. People feel good about this, why they should provide feedback about this when they are happy that are being scammed.
frigid jolt
You cant share links without permission
dawn nexus
❤️
grizzled tartan
nova sierra
A complaint is feedback...it might not be welcome in scopely's utopian paradise but it's definitely feedback
robust helm
It would be nice if event ships had a better warp upgrade levels... As in event ships either have a very low warp range.... or they need to be upgraded to max tier to even get to a good warp ranges. At level 28 warp 40 becomes easy to access and at lv 30+ almost all warships and Surveyships are Warp 40 capable... I'm a lv 29 and I have explored every system (except the epic borg latinum space and those three new systems in rouge space with fast nodes) in the galaxy except Dark space.
The point is that you simply cannot relocate to a warp 45 or 53 system because your BB ship cannot go to augment space from there... Stella has a fixed warp range of 33 I believe? and because of this, it becomes a trade off... either relocate to higher warp systems and forget about events like borg arcs or using stella for Outlaws arc... Or relocate to lower level systems...
I just suggest that you offer a way in which an event ship can have a higher warp range... Something like a research node that adds + 40 to the event ships but you need a R&D 30.
The only work around to this issue right now is that lv 40 upgrade that gives you +5 warp. But at that stage you can unlock Dark space. So it is like, before ops 40, you need to live in a sub warp 33 system. And above ops 40, you'd rather go hangout in dark space... unless you want to raid or participate in events.
Please just consider adding a research that boosts the warp range of event ships.
nova sierra
👆 all of this plus Franklin
cunning bolt
Feedback: Change the hit levels, it I can only hit a lvl22, then limit me to 8 above as well. I’d love to see the whales have to fight each other more to be trolls.
leaden lintel
There is research that adds warp range to all ships
nova sierra
Yeah at lvl40...by which point you're probably eyeing up a warp75 hub for a base system...for the rest of us if we want to base in wolf for easy lat and dailies, or several other baseable systems we either have to relocate twice a day or skip a bunch of specialist ship related content
robust helm
There is research that adds warp range to all ships
@leaden lintel That is at lv 40, and by that time you have unlocked dark space... and sitting at a warp 53 system at that point does not seem that useful
Yeah at lvl40...by which point you're probably eyeing up a warp75 hub for a base system...for the rest of us if we want to base in wolf for easy lat and dailies, or several other baseable systems we either have to relocate twice a day or skip a bunch of specialist ship related content
@nova sierra Exactly
I can see that the system of warp range is built to keep a player locked from reaching too big systems
That's what the CS told me when I was at lv 26
At least have easy warp paths maybe? like the new quick warp paths to aug space
maiden herald
Why don't we get a refund of directives when the launch of armada is so close that there was no way to know someone else was launching? Like within 10 seconds?
Or at least a warning?
nova sierra
General feedback? Sure:
I'm not happy with many aspects of the game, and have been for a while. Part of the reason is the pricing issues on new servers and the missing D'Vor bps (btw, I've been aware of that for quite some time longer than yesterday's video by Rev and know that I'm not the only one on my server). What has kept me playing is not the new event arc - so far it's no good imo, the Borg arc was a lot better, even Augment stuff was a different league of gameplay, but only my alliance members, the community and a few CCs. The (in game) customer support tends to make me more angry than anything - the answer is usually a variation of "we're sorry, this is not intended. Restart your game, clear your cache. See if the bugs reoccur and please follow us on social media". Restarting and blah makes a difference, I am aware of that. That is why in all my requests I include how many times I have restarted and cleared the cache, you could at least change your standard reply to reflect that anybody actually read the complaint. The other reply option is "this is working as intended, it's not a bug, it's a feature - in our favour, sorry for you loss. Please follow us on social media." So I do not see any point in writing to CS, which is a problem in a game that has a series of bugs that make participation in some events (like the pvp event) really really annyoing. But I know that nothing will come from it, so why even bother anymore?
I'll be interested to see what will happen in the future, but this game is frustrating in many ways even without the price gauging issues (that imo go beyond tha matter of different value on different servers). I just hope at some point Scopely will prove that they actually are not only a marketing company, but also a gaming company. And I know that I speak for more people than myself in this, if there will be moves made that try to quiet voices that raise these issues, many people will be unhappy.
fervent goblet
Apex Rogue Notoriety research does not do as advertised (surprise surprise). It says it increases the output of Rogue reputation BUNDLES by 35% but in fact on increases the rep part by 35% not the entire BUNDLE it is part of.
hallow pumice
It literally says reputation.....
last nest
It doesn't say only rep though it says the bundle
But keep trying to pinpoint a defense
Its entertaining
quick coral
With the whales now doing G4 ships, ships like this should be made easier to get and tier for the lower level players.
limpid cipher
The new targeting system makes raiding as an alliance almost unbearable.
nova sierra
Can we get marla back in the ultra recruit please
heavy garnet
I talked to a friend on an older server and was told a bad thing. The older servers get way more in their purchase packages in the store. This gives the appearance that the newer servers and the people on them aren't as important to scopley as the players on the older servers. Kind of makes us feel like 2nd rate citizens. Our money is just as valuable as theirs is and just as spend able. Things like this could cause players to leave the game which will inevitably hurt your bottom line. Time for y'all to be fair across the board.
trail halo
How about a compensation chest that covers everyone for the differences not only between servers but also lvs why should a lower lv player receive different amounts than a higher lv player. If you were 23yrs old and went to buy a car would you expect to pay 4x the price as a they would charge a 40yr old.
Or even charge 4x the price for a McDonald’s meal
last nest
Give back the ops up events Whales Got a chance at them why cant we get them
I know the whales forced you all to make the ISS exclusive to them only but its still BS that we cant get them when they did
"fair and equal opportunity"
last time we have had one was right before Xmas 30-35
and at 35 you could get iss jelly bps for the ops up event for going up two levels we havnt forgotten
nova sierra
It's crap anyway, it's just a massive g4 anchor that like most ships doesn't get good until t4+ and even then struggles to match a maxed g3 epic. Even if you won a full unlock at 35 as f2p getting to shipyard 39 is light years away and upgrading it before refinery puts out ucg4 requires maxing and scrapping mayflowers constantly.
last nest
True, but there were other items in those ops events that were also BIG from what i remember some got like 25,000 uc crystal for opsing up from 37-39
they havnt had those either because whales want a huge gap between f2p.
its been over 7 months since the last one they used to happen monthly before G4 was introduced
nova sierra
The race to ops 35 for jelly happened once, can't say about the others...just ops up to 36 and do the auction event, if you've been sitting on your hands for 7 months your us/rare supply should be big enough by now
last nest
it happened twice but that was in december and jan i think but yeah thats what people are saying
but its a big loss of potential if it happens again
and im not doing the auction my server is spendy
they would outbeat me no matter how much material i've saved lol
nova sierra
I got lucky, gave up early on another ops up event went to 36 and won a full unlock for only 750k points...it's up in the 3mil+ points range now on my server
nova sierra
Oof that's insane...especially for a consolation prize quality ship
nova sierra
How? Once you win you aren't supposed to be eligible again
last nest
there was a bug that happened that made him always get into the event or something
nova sierra
Bugs? Nah impossible, the code in this game is rock solid 😂
Shifting goalposts and constant rug pulls are kinda scopely's whole deal tbh...saving up for events is now considered to be the smart play so ofc scopely stops running those events or changes their format
nova sierra
That bs plus other rug pulls like ditching latinum rush with no notice is why this elite pass was my final purchase. They have introduced some qol improvements but the 2 we've been asking for since before launch (pre release server here) are nowhere to be seen...if you're wondering it's event calendar and better communication
last nest
Yeah i enjoy the positive qol stuff like tagging hostile alliances/ event calender but the games inflated with so much stuff i couldnt imagine still having 3 ship docks with all these side ships/ armadas you cant even participate in
If i started 5 months later i would have been left the game
nova sierra
Idd, the splash screen event calendar is virtually useless...we still have to wait until 5min before a new event begins before we know where to go, what to do and what we get
And it doesn't even have everything on it like the pvp and data events etc not to mention the actual events with battle pass points
I'd call it halfassed but that's offensive to rectums
latent valley
You should have gotten compensation for the milestones you missed. Contact support,they can check and tell you what happened
They wont. They say you got everything when you didnt get anything and dont give a 💩
nova sierra
Clicked on the video saw it was 17min long and decided to wait until parts 2 and 3 are up before watching.
pure fern
🙂
nova sierra
Another 2 days of laggy hostiles, teleporting player ships and boring af grinding...stop with the ridiculous damage dealt leaderboards...make them shorter or stop making them
Or...fix your sloppy code
pure fern
I would want them fix right side system spwan node when reds going to lower right spwan node the ship cannot strike it and instead goes waiting the lower right spawn node until the red gets there...
also they indroduced yet again with the event update the graphical pve bug
ship route gets canceled by victory notification
and the feedback wwhat they should listen, I have given about 5k money to the game. We real game supporters ask important game ideas that makes the game more great but scopely dont listen us and instead puts out more money events, adds about 2h gaming time per new multievent events days. Latest idea were this battle pass system. But how about those contorupution sliders or recources token sliders? Alliance features that people desperately wants like allaince chat topic, everyone pm messages, players last login times, average online time per day, alliance browser where is all alliances in the server etc. Lately Kaution made reddit post about some of these features asked already about 1 year and scoply havent nearly upgraded game system at all other than event shop carousel improvements. Gratis for sliders on building houses, really helps building houses.
nova sierra
Happens in pekinpah on the bottom right spawn point too...mobs travelling left bug and your ship imposes past them
paper sluice
The fact, that players on different servers receive different value in purchase packs is a shame - a punch in the face of everyone who likes the game and likes to support scopely to make it better by buying packs. Business ethics are valid, even in a digital business.
How should the players react to this? Don´t buy temporarly or never again to send a signal or leave the game? @delicate sentinel
pure fern
Yes founders sever has even 3 times refine per one time
server 140 have only 1 refine rounds per one time
paper sluice
Yes, thats insane. Scopely seems to believe, that one Player that pays a 100 bucks is more worth than another player that pays the same 100 bucks. 👎
pure fern
Nope they tought different servers players wont know what happens in other servers.
makes me mad to watch some of the content creators who are doing refines 3 times and getting a lot uncos more than I can.
tho hitting 75k 3 times would be overkill
vague holly
It's pretty simple guys, it's based on server economy and age. When the older servers were the age your server is now, things were actually more expensive. When your server is the age they are now, your prices will have dropped. It costs more to be high level faster. If you are on a server where the average level is mid-20s, it will cost you more to go 30-40+ than on a server where the average level is mid-30s. This is not a scam, not wrong, not illegal and in fact i think it's neat that they try to prevent whales from getting too far ahead of f2p and light spenders unless they spend a ton. When you've been playing as long as the CCs and players on older servers, you'll have what they have.
open abyss
<@&509691205798592532> who do you talk to about CS being as useful as a chocolate teapot? I appreciate your not working under the best conditions. However, your product knowledge shouldn't be so low that you wonder if you've contacted the wrong company!
frigid jolt
We are NOT Scopely employees
last nest
When you've been playing as long as the CCs and players on older servers, you'll have what they have.
I laugh at this with a Jokerface
When your server is the age they are now, your prices will have dropped. this one too
paper sluice
@vague holly are you guessing or even joking?
wild zinc
@devs please stop adding new content until iOS has zero crashes. iOS game app crashes every few minutes on iPad. It never crashes on Android.
short owl
It's pretty simple guys, it's based on server economy and age. When the older servers were the age your server is now, things were actually more expensive. When your server is the age they are now, your prices will have dropped. It costs more to be high level faster. If you are on a server where the average level is mid-20s, it will cost you more to go 30-40+ than on a server where the average level is mid-30s. This is not a scam, not wrong, not illegal and in fact i think it's neat that they try to prevent whales from getting too far ahead of f2p and light spenders unless they spend a ton. When you've been playing as long as the CCs and players on older servers, you'll have what they have.
@vague holly and from this economy who gets more money? Also guy from the scammed server had higher level than the normal server, not sure you actually seen the evidence. Also they say about same experience as other servers... what kind o same experience?
nova sierra
Wow, deleting my posts huh?
frigid jolt
Follow the rules. There will be no more warnings
nova sierra
I will happily, what is the rule I violated?
frigid jolt
You would know if you read #509679626763632642
nova sierra
Ahhh, I see. My apologies. I am still very upset with scopely but I will refrain from commenting further
short owl
im not commenting this policy again, but as a general feedback i find it quite weird that people not working at scopely are doing so much work in the benefit of scopley
thorny folio
In order to be posted as "official" or added to the stfc client there would have to be some protection expected for Scopley.
frigid jolt
We are doing what we are supposed to do as moderators of this discord. Dont like it?you can leave
thorny folio
These are pretty standard agreements.
nova sierra
@frigid jolt I would be curious to hear your personal opinion on the pack value disparity (not as a moderator, just what you think).
hollow wren
The pack disparity between servers should be rectified. Just a simple credit for the correct amount of materials would be an easy fix.
frigid jolt
What I think? People are overreacting. If you buy a pack,you see its value and how much it costs and it is up to you to buy it or not at the end. If you already bought it then you thought it was worth it shouldnt matter how is it in other servers because you dont play in those servers,you dont compete with them,you cant change servers
glass oracle
Can you relook at pvp levels. As a level 31, I think any higher level can attack me, but I can attack only 9 levels down. Should be some range so a 45 cannot attack a 31.
nova sierra
Thank you for sharing your opinion
short owl
What I think? People are overreacting. If you buy a pack,you see its value and how much it costs and it is up to you to buy it or not at the end. If you already bought it then you thought it was worth it shouldnt matter how is it in other servers because you dont play in those servers,you dont compete with them,you cant change servers
@frigid jolt when you find out that same level gets more for same money .. there is a problem
frigid jolt
I thought you weren't going to comment again?
short owl
you go to an apple store and guy near you gets the 1TB ipad for 1000, and price for you is 1000 for 512gb . how do you feel?
both normal clients
seller says he pays 1000 for 1 tb and you 1000 for the 512gb model ...
you feel great ..
no?
I thought you weren't going to comment again?
@frigid jolt that was related to rules policy 🙂
lone summit
Using the iPad analogy....let’s use states. I can pay 200k for a 2500 -3500 sq ft house with a built in pool and 10 acres of land in north Georgia. For 200k in South Carolina in my town that same 200k gets me maybe a 1500 sq ft house on a 1/4 acre lot. Same country. Different states.
nova sierra
Except that in the housing analogy, the prices are clearly listed and you are very much aware of what you are getting versus someone else in another state. We only discovered this discrepancy when users began sharing screenshots of their packs. Until that point, we were operating under the assumption that everyone regardless of server was getting the same resources for the same cost.
hollow wren
Neither are accurate analogies. These packs are a digital good not a physical in the same country.
lone summit
Prices are listed when you get the pack. And unless your ops 12 you can’t change servers anyway
nova sierra
I had good-faith that scopely was providing me with a good value for what I paid. If I had known of this in the beginning, I would have attempted to move to another (older) server. in order to get the best value for my money
hollow wren
The point remains that there are discrepancies in what is offered in the packs.
frigid jolt
Then you would have a crappy experience
vague holly
You would have attempted to, but been unable
frigid jolt
Being a new player in an old server is definitely not a pleasant thing
vague holly
yeah, they lock older servers from having new players join for a reason...it sucks
and even the under 12 transfer tokens have servers locked
if you started playing when one of the newer servers launched, you never had a chance of ever being on those older servers. Not possible.
and, on those newer servers, it should cost more to get to 40+ when the average level is lower
no one made you buy the packs to progress so far past everyone
you had the option to look at the packs and make a decision, you decided
they offered a value relative to your servers economy and age, with no chance for you to have ever been on one of those older servers unless you had started playing sooner
when those older servers were the age of your servers, their packs had less rss too, so you are getting a similar experience to them
hollow wren
It is an unfair business practice misrepresenting what is available from one consumer to the next. Pretty simple concept.
vague holly
they never misrepresented anything. They showed you exactly what you would get
lone summit
Well older servers things aren’t as in high demand so you may get more. I don’t care though. This discussion has bored me. Back to killing reds
vague holly
yup, it'
s basic supply and demand.
on a younger server, there are less rss/mats out there so they are more valuable
on an older server, people already have that crap, so it's less valuable
hollow wren
Non equal offerings of the same good is an unfair business practice. No matter if the consumer is aware of what they are purchasing or not.
nova sierra
I was already outclassed in a major way when I first started on my current server, so I can't imagine my experience would have been that much worse if I had somehow been on an old one. Even now after thousands of dollars spent, I am barely in the top 100 in total power
I get where you are coming from, and your opinion is a valid one. What it boils down to me is that I feel that I have been duped by the developer, and no longer feel that they are actively attempting to provide a positive experience to the players
lusty crystal
Here is a better analogy, a gallon of gas in California costs what 2.50? A gallon of gas in Texas is 1.75.
last nest
They cant even show on their app ingame items listing in the app store the valid price of packs. Which is required by both google and apple lol.
nova sierra
My wallet has been closed, and I may even decide to wind down my account depending on scopely's response. As it stands, responding to everyone who submits a support request with a form message is not going to cut it.
vague holly
later
nova sierra
For the record, I have also refused to purchase any games produced by EA ever since 2012 for less shady behavior than this. It all comes down to how you want to spend your time and money, and if you feel that you can trust the developer to give you an experience worthy of both. Right now, I don't feel that STFC is that for me
vague holly
I bet most of these people are just mad at themselves for how much they have spent or how much CC debt they have and are just looking for someone to blame it on
nova sierra
Maybe some are, but if that were me I'd have been flipping out months ago and not after all that money is out of my accounts
hollow wren
If that were the case, I would be wanting a refund. However it is not the case—I enjoy this game. But at the same time, I should receive the same fair value for my purchase as the next consumer. That’s all I want.
vague holly
If that were the case, I would be wanting a refund. However it is not the case—I enjoy this game. But at the same time, I should receive the same fair value for my purchase as the next consumer. That’s all I want.
@hollow wren You do receive the same fair value as the next consumer on your server
last nest
Do you not know that servers could possibly get merged
If that does happen then no its not equal
grave bolt
I just saw RevDeuce’s video and it’s disgusting what Scopely is doing to new players. You don’t have to be a whale to feel profoundly offended by this situation. It’s a reflection of their corporate culture and how they feel they should treat players.
deep marten
yes it is and they are doing it for a long time. People just don't know.
important is that now we know
vapid oar
Thank you for finally banning the most obnoxious player on my server. Very fortunate he happened to park his base in the Dudu system.
Can't seem to stop laughing about that
grizzled tartan
deep Dudu?
vapid oar
Perma-Dudu
vague holly
I just saw RevDeuce’s video and it’s disgusting what Scopely is doing to new players. You don’t have to be a whale to feel profoundly offended by this situation. It’s a reflection of their corporate culture and how they feel they should treat players.
@grave bolt It's great how they are treating the f2p and light spenders. On newer servers it costs more to grow to high levels, which keeps the gap smaller. As the server ages and average level rises things get less expensive.
important is that now we know
@deep marten Some smarter players have known for quite some time now, and didn't make a big deal out of it because it's not a big deal
deep marten
true getting $$$$$$$$$ from people with scamming tactics is not a big deal .
paper sluice
What I think? People are overreacting. If you buy a pack,you see its value and how much it costs and it is up to you to buy it or not at the end. If you already bought it then you thought it was worth it shouldnt matter how is it in other servers because you dont play in those servers,you dont compete with them,you cant change servers
@frigid jolt I see it a bit different. Most of us are acting under the assumption that everyone was getting the same value for the same amount of money. The comparisons with other businesses are limping, because there you have the option to compare it before. Here we do not have this option. And as everybody can see now, the players are comparing the values and prices and complaining massively about it. The argument, that scopely doesn´t allow server changes (above lvl 12) can on the other side seen as an indication, that this is part of the plan, gaining more revenue. And that would than even more ethically questionable. Will scopely react on all of this?
frigid jolt
My client?
lucid rock
I came here the other day to ask if anyone had ideas why I might not be eligible for compensation for the Rogue Research event that was promised by Panic. I've done exactly what was suggested (contact customer support) despite my misgivings that this path has never once solved any issues I've encountered in the game. Guess what? They refuse to respond (after two seperate tickets) with anything other than "you didn't qualify." No explanations, not investigation into whether a problem occurred. I'm 100% convinced the boxes were promised to stop people from speaking out and then never delivered.
paper sluice
@frigid jolt thats all you noticed?
solemn coral
@paper sluice they actually did reply with the message that this works as intended and won't change
vague holly
true getting $$$$$$$$$ from people with scamming tactics is not a big deal .
@deep marten It's not a scam. If anything, the players on the newer servers have it better than the players on the older servers as things took longer and were more expensive when the older servers were the age of those newer servers. As the server ages and the server economy matures, prices will drop. prices are based on server economy and age. It's not a big deal.
solemn coral
@lucid rock if they said 'you didn't qualify', then you probably didn't, do you really want them to waste time on you giving you a full log of all research you did in order to proof it? cs is swamped, and should indeed spend their time on clearing that queue
deep marten
@lucid rock if they said 'you didn't qualify', then you probably didn't, do you really want them to waste time on you giving you a full log of all research you did in order to proof it? cs is swamped, and should indeed spend their time on clearing that queue
@solemn coral yes they would provide EVERITHING NEEDED TO DEFEND THEIR ARGUMENT. Scopely has lost all credibility.
solemn coral
be glad they even offered something
deep marten
i would not care if they are swamped or not. Its the efect of their scamming actions
solemn coral
personally, i think it's your own fault doing research before even thinking there might come events in regards to it
deep marten
be glad they even offered something
@solemn coral in can take that and ask for every penny i think they need to return
solemn coral
if they wouldn't have offered that compensation, I could have lived with it, knowing it was my own dumb fault to rush
deep marten
personally, i think it's your own fault doing research before even thinking there might come events in regards to it
@solemn coral nop. it was a bug in their feature activation timeline not alligned with the release
solemn coral
for how long do you play this game?
deep marten
crappy development and delivery management
for how long do you play this game?
@solemn coral 1y
solemn coral
so you know how they kinda chaoticly operate
so you could have taken that into account, looking at previous multiple bad experiences with them
deep marten
so you know how they kinda chaoticly operate
@solemn coral its not kinda .. its a rule :)))))
solemn coral
still i think you know what i mean
yes, i agree, they shouldn't have opened the tree yet, but they did
deep marten
still i think you know what i mean
@solemn coral ofcourse i know but it does not stop me asking as high as their prices .. with interest for their indolence
paper sluice
but it seems to be obviously, how the revenue machine works as designed and the rest (servers, support, IOS APP, ...) not.
deep marten
but it seems to be obviously, how the revenue machine works as designed and the rest (servers, support, IOS APP, ...) not.
@paper sluice it works because we let them
solemn coral
but still, everyone could have waited till event start, and a lot of people did
we dutch have a saying: hardlopers zijn doodlopers
roughly translated; runners run into their deaths
deep marten
but still, everyone could have waited till event start, and a lot of people did
@solemn coral it is true, however a quick script would have solved this.... they saw the actions of users, they also knew them from previous garbage mistakes
it should be simple for them to solve
exactly as the COW event
solemn coral
we just talked about internals
based on that you should know how 'simple' it is when they produce stuff like that
vague holly
but still, everyone could have waited till event start, and a lot of people did
@solemn coral Yeah, but saying people who did not wait are in the wrong is not right either. People see new reaearch and want new research. it's not their fault the event did not load right and was delayed. I'm all for forgiving mistakes, because mistakes happen. It's how you handle the mistakes. Fixing it for people who got screwed should be a top priority. If a player contacts them and says i don't think I got what i should it is their duty to review the logs and provide that information to the customer.
solemn coral
the event loaded right
the issue was that they should have locked down the research tree until event start
vague holly
I thought the event that day was delayed?
solemn coral
like putting an unlock token received through gift chest to open up the first research
paper sluice
another question: is there somewhere a server list available and are the server numbers indicators for age?
deep marten
the event loaded right
@solemn coral nop .. event launch actually failed ... the research launch did not failed...
another question: is there somewhere a server list available and are the server numbers indicators for age?
@paper sluice asking moon from the sky
solemn coral
the research launch came with the maintenance
but the event launched at 16:00 UTC as usual for events
lucid rock
I'd be happy with "You needed to research X number of things but you only researched Y." They won't even offer that.
solemn coral
ask for it politely perhaps?
lucid rock
I did
solemn coral
you could still get it if you are eu citizen
but not going into details here, as i am sure clark will insta delete it as he did before
lucid rock
Alas, I'm from the only country too stupid to do what's needed in a pandemic.
amber jolt
What I think? People are overreacting. If you buy a pack,you see its value and how much it costs and it is up to you to buy it or not at the end. If you already bought it then you thought it was worth it shouldnt matter how is it in other servers because you dont play in those servers,you dont compete with them,you cant change servers
@frigid jolt so best it to stop buying till all packs are even on all@servers for same level
vague holly
That is your choice. If you wish to compare your packs to packs that players have that you have zero chance of interacting with and have absolutely zero affect on your gameplay because their server economy is far different from yours, that is your choice.
I'll keep looking at packs and make the decision if they are worth it to me or not and not worry about what other people have/get
deep marten
lol, why post deleted?
frigid jolt
@deep marten follow the damn rules
Complain as much as you want,but I am fed up with you breaking rules every min
deep marten
what rule i broke, if you kindly please help
vague holly
talking about refunds?
deep marten
No excessive use of capital letters.
No excessive use of capital letters.
vague holly
there's a rule that says: "No discussion or inciting of refunds / boycotts / uninstalls. "
deep marten
i thing the 2nd was most anoying
vague holly
and all caps too, so double whammy
deep marten
@frigid jolt so best it to stop buying till all packs are even on all@servers for same level
@amber jolt NOT ENOUGH! scopely must come with an honourable solution with 100% favouring the players on the affected servers, presenting to players multiple choices including ones that might influence revenue of the company.
is this bettter @frigid jolt?
vague holly
or, players could simply understand that their prices are based on the economy of their server. Their individual situation. On servers where there are less rss/mats in the hands of players, they are more valuable. Basic supply and demand.
vague holly
A Canadian Dollar is not worth the same as a US Dollar
deep marten
and again, Waldo will go to semantics 🙂
vague holly
and what a Dollar will buy you varies from place to place
go to three different Wal-marts in your city and look at the price of the same item. Individual stores can set their own prices. In wealthier areas the same item costs more.
Or your local Grocery Store chain....same thing
deep marten
lol, individual stores? in game purchase is global ... unbelievable what i see
vague holly
Individual servers = Individual Stores
you are shopping on a different server than me, so they set their prices accordingly, same as a store across town
deep marten
Individual servers = Individual Stores
@vague holly that is the scam:) perfectly pointed out.
vague holly
not a scam, based on the economy of the server, same as stores set their prices based on the economy of the area they are in
deep marten
also users must know the prices on all other stores to get the best value for money ... pure economy
not a scam, based on the economy of the server, same as stores set their prices based on the economy of the area they are in
@vague holly scam. You can't convince anyone.
vague holly
why do you need to know the prices of a store you do not have access to at all?
deep marten
why do you need to know the prices of a store you do not have access to at all?
@vague holly then why having separate prices?
vague holly
because the economy is different on each server
deep marten
btw. the apple and google rule says in app purchase packs and prices must be available in the sheet of app. Where are those? this is exacly why they are asking for this to elliminate scamming
vague holly
check your PM
deep marten
because the economy is different on each server
@vague holly again, 1 US dollar = 1 US dollar everywhere.
vague holly
yes, but what a Dollar will buy you will vary based on location
gas costs on price at the gas station on the corner and a different price at the gas station down the street....even though they are both Circle K
so yeah, $1=$1, but $1 buys you a different amount of Gas
deep marten
yes, but what a Dollar will buy you will vary based on location
@vague holly that is managed by google / apple.
hybrid locust
Waldo, aren't you a low level free player? If im correct about that, isn't it possible you don't have a perspective on this issue?
Personally I am disappointed about how much further I could have been ahead if I was getting the same items for my money as other servers. I don't think there's been a suggestion that anything differs if you aren't spending money anyway.
And I'm in about the most whale-like alliance on a newer server and we are all pretty upset about it.
vague holly
Not a free player, light spender, I spend $20-40/month
that does not mean I do not have a perspective
In fact, it gives me the perspective that I think it's great it costs whales more to be more powerful on servers that are new and have lower level free and light spender players
It should cost you more to be that much more powerful than the average on your server. It's also basic supply and demand. On a server where there are less rss/mats, those rss/mats are more valuable, therefore cost more
hybrid locust
$20 a month would be a single pack every 5 months. My entire server hasn't been up for 5 months. You don't have the perspective at all that those upset by this revelation do.
vague holly
a single $99 pack/5 months, but Battle Pass is a pack too, I've bought every one of those. Jelly, NS and D'Vor were packs, I bought those
if your server has not been up for 5 months, what level are you? Did the money you spent not make you much stronger relative to the average on your server?
You got what you paid for, and you paid less to get there then people on the older servers as when their servers were your age their packs were more expensive
frigid jolt
I dont see anyone from old servers crying about paying 3-4k to get an Enterprise in the past....
deep marten
Not a free player, light spender, I spend $20-40/month
@vague holly the cheapest regular pack on my server is 50eur. And occazionally the battle pass 20eur. How come you pay that low? have different prices? do tell us! with screenshots
frigid jolt
He already told you but #readingishard
vague holly
If that's the cheapest pack available to you, that's because you spent more. Spending history affects your store
deep marten
i have another account (with zero spending) on the same server, things are exactly the same.
deep marten
He already told you but #readingishard
@frigid jolt to me? check the others that started mentioning price packages
vague holly
there you go, want to see what's available in any of them? let me know
deep marten
yepp, no armada pack for 4.99
vague holly
maybe because your server is young and not intended to be at Armadas yet? Once it's old enough it will receive Armada Events to kickstart the system then packs will be available
deep marten
on neither accounts
so i am on one of the scammed servers .. yes that i know already
vague holly
how long after release did Armada's come out? How long has your server been up?
deep marten
that is the thing people must understand: USERS DONT KNOW THE AGE OF A SERVER. And they should not care. Expectation is pack contain same content regardless age and geography.
vague holly
expectation =/= reality
frigid jolt
How many times should we explain it.....
Waldo prob spend already hours saying same thing
deep marten
yeah, we're discussing with two people defending scopely for free
frigid jolt
It should cost you more to be that much more powerful than the average on your server. It's also basic supply and demand. On a server where there are less rss/mats, those rss/mats are more valuable, therefore cost more
vague holly
also, different people have different expectations
deep marten
gents. there is no logic nor morality
frigid jolt
For you maybe
vague holly
I would expect that a player on a new server would have a similar experience to a player on an older server
and you do
deep marten
for those with no morality (not saying about you) ... might be different, true
vague holly
part of that experience is how long it takes you to achieve a certain level and how much it costs to get there
deep marten
I would expect that a player on a new server would have a similar experience to a player on an older server
@vague holly THAT MEANS SAME VALUE and CONTENT PER PACK
ta daa
thank you
vague holly
no, it doesn't
because you've had less time as well
time + money = similar experience
frigid jolt
Stop writing in caps or I am going to kick you
deep marten
user don;t know this and don;t care
vague holly
if users don't know that is not Scopely's fault
deep marten
Stop writing in caps or I am going to kick you
@frigid jolt its for emphasizing
frigid jolt
Doesnt matter
deep marten
ok italics ...
vague holly
a player who has been around 2 years and is at level 40 is not the same player experience as a player who has been playing for 6 months and is at level 40
therefore, the player that got to 40 in 6 months as opposed to 2 years paid more
because he got to 40 in less time
time is a factor
that you all are ignoring
deep marten
so basically, if we go in real life. We have two countries: one that advanced in time, with deaths and diseases and wars. another new country that advanced through peace . you mean that similar experience for the second country would be death, disease, war?
vague holly
how is it fair to the players on older servers that it cost you far less time and/or money to reach the same point they did?
frigid jolt
It isnt
vague holly
so this system is fair
deep marten
time is a factor
@vague holly time that made much more money to scopely. It has nothing with user experience. Scopely does not care about this. Stop lying people with this... 🙂 c'mon.
everything is related to how much a server produces revenue
vague holly
Look, a player that's been playing for 2 years and is in their 40s spent a certain amount. If you are on a newer server and want to be in your 40s like them, you have to spend more because you spent less time
it's very simple to understand
you've been playing 6 months and want to have the same thing as a player whose been playing 2 years? You pay more
deep marten
it has nothing to do with that ... we already know people can make new accounts and so on. This is why scopely closed server transfers, because it was breaking revenue chain.
older players have every right to ask scopely performance and fixes but they would not care ever about another player on another server spend more for progressing to a certain level
what a user wants is respect which actually scopely is not showing for neither types of players
all scopely sees is money. Which is normal but not like that
we also know that Fibonacci style RSS increase costs along with a low essential rss feed, leads to impulsive purchase. Well tough luck, Scopely, people are talking themselves.
vague holly
so older players wouldn't care that players on newer servers get things for cheaper than them but players on newer servers do care? That's some poor logic right there
if the opposite were true, and players on older servers found out you were getting things much cheaper or in less time than them, they absolutely would be upset
they put in time and money to get to a certain point, you should have to put in a similar amount of time and money. If you spend less time, then you spend more money.
If they did what you all are suggesting, they would be disrespecting the longer term players time and money
They are respecting the longer term players time here, to get to the same place they are in less time you spend more
deep marten
so older players wouldn't care that players on newer servers get things for cheaper than them but players on newer servers do care? That's some poor logic right there
@vague holly they a getting nothing cheaper
vague holly
they are not, you are right, but what you are suggesting is that they should
deep marten
i remain to my position. Scopely does not care about anything but money, Evidence speaks for itself.
vague holly
time+money=progression. if you spent less time to progress to the same point, you spent more money
deep marten
i truly doubt that scopely is thinking of time+money=progression .. ecuation is: time+progression = money
that is u like to see
vague holly
It's obvious they care for more than just money. They care about balance on individual servers. Due to this, if you want to progress far past the average level of your server, or past the point Scopely thinks you should progress, you pay more. The further you want to widen the gap on your server, the more you pay
frigid jolt
You are wasting your time Waldo 👀
vague holly
on older servers, the gap is smaller, so it costs less
deep marten
if it would be as you said, than scopely would compensate older server in a very different manner like specific packages to old players
not with this scamming
vague holly
well they do, that's why their packs contain more stuff
I know, but I'm bored at work and this is fun to me
deep marten
nope .. that is a scam
again, trying to undermine and put on a low value what i said... ok
vague holly
if it would be as you said, than scopely would compensate older server in a very different manner like specific packages to old players
specific packages to old players
@deep marten
that's what the packs are?
specific packages to older players. Younger players get different packages
frigid jolt
🤣
vague holly
isn't it fun when people arguing against you are actually arguing for you?
they give you the arguments!
his message there literally contradicts itself
they would compensate them in a different manner, like doing exactly what they are doing....
frigid jolt
Yep
last nest
Isn't even funnier that you ignored the fact that server merges exist.
vague holly
well yeah, that's why so far, if you look at the servers merged, they are servers within 1 digit of each other. Meaning same age servers that started at the same time....
It's why the server merges are taking so long, they have to balance out the time/progression server economy of the servers before merging them so it is fair to all players
did not ignore you, must have missed that point. I am discussing with this you while working after all. Sometimes the phone rings and I gotta help a customer, go pull an order, ship it, everything because we are a small company.
So yeah, sometimes i miss stuff, sorry.
I am Customer Service, Sales Support, Shipping/Receiving, A/R Clerk, A/P Clerk, IT guy......the list goes on
last nest
This was theorized way before now and people here kept saying that packs were not different
vague holly
so sometimes i get busy
last nest
Last year people posted pack differences at the same level in different servers. And their servers were the same age so. I dont know where people think its based on server age.
vague holly
I've said before I think there is more to it than just age, like server economy and average level
when there are less rss/mats in players hands on a server, they are worth more
last nest
i dont know any other game that has done this sort of "balancing" but in the long run (if they even plan to have a long run) this format will fail. But i guess if you like it can't stop you from emptying your wallet. 
vague holly
exactly, which is why Scopely is not transparent with this stuff. these are their proprietary trade secrets that keep things balanced and fun for all players. They do not want their competition knowing their trade secrets.
last nest
You keep saying balanced and fun majority of the players do not enjoy being hit by someone 16+ levels higher while they can only hit up and down 5.
vague holly
because there are less players at higher levels, the range is wider so all players have a similar number of targets available to them
in other words, balanced
last nest
I think your mindset on balance is much different than 87% of others i would highly enjoy hitting 16 levels below. They know they cannot be raided. So they have tons of resources stocked in lower accounts
vague holly
ok, got busy again, so sorry for the delayed response, I'm not ignoring you
Here's the thing from my perspective, when I first hot 20/21 yeah, I was a little miffed higher levels could hit me, but then I also realized it became easier to find nodes because my warship is still stronger than a higher levels survey, so more potential zero/OPC targets. Also, as a 23 now, when looking for bases to raid, 20-21's do not interest me as usually they do not have a lot of RSS....a 33 though? Well a 33 has juicy RSS and my friends/alliance mates in their late 30s-early 40s can help me crack those. So I have many more potential targets. The tradeoff for that is that they can also hit me. This does not bother me because who really cares if you hit my miner? I'll just go reset and go back to whatever I was doing. As for raiding my base, my shield discipline is on point, so good luck with that.
In short, I'm glad that 87% of players are not setting the rules as I do not think they are evaluating all possible outcomes of the changes they are suggesting. This is why there are more players than devs.
@last nest
Another point is, 100% of players are playing the game. They must keep playing for some reasons, so Scopely must be doing something right if you keep on playing, despite your perceived imbalances
last nest
100% of players are not playing
vague holly
if they are not playing then they are not players
last nest
They do dailies shield log off
last nest
They dont participate in events
vague holly
still a player
why are they logging in and doing those dailies? Because they hate the game?
nope, they do it because they like doing it
last nest
And some go down to lowest amount of resources and comeback in 3 months
vague holly
and that makes them a player
yeah, I did that for one month as well
still a player
last nest
Look weve had tons of people quit. In our server just to how boring the game was and they were 40+
Tons = 30-40 ppl
radiant imp
<@&509690795536941056>
Why don't we get a reasonable explanation about specific changes with the last update? Feedback would be great. ☝️
Fix the broken targeting-system!
Thank you, and stay healthy 🖖
vague holly
That's normal for nearly all games. It's called attrition
last nest
so it is not fun and balanced or anything of the sort it is a commodity. The only fun most people have is talking about real world subjects in chat
vague holly
People quit for all sorts of reasons. Of the group that was in my original Alliance when I started, about 20ish people, less than 10 are left. The further you go the less people stick around. That's a fact of MMOs
just lost another one this week....he's letting me drain his base this weekend, woot woot
last nest
We will just see if they say anything on the matter as we both have different aspects of how a game would be a fun experience
vague holly
If they have not said anything other than the canned responses they have been giving out by now, you think they are going to?
last nest
they have
They made a survey
Only time they do surveys is when they want incite on player base even though they most likely only care about whales opinions.
Like back when the refinery bug happened and players benefited
Even though it wasnt a bug it was working as intended
Yet they took the material from people that took a ingame mechanic they allowed for 30 minutes
vague holly
well, not saying devs are right 100% of the time either, they are human too and therefore can err
all we can do is wait and see, however, I highly doubt much will change on this particular matter
vague holly
oh, look, perfect example of why I like the expanded PvP ranges:
I was able to find a node. If I was only able to hit up 2-4 levels I would have been SoL on finding a node
quasi wren
If you cant hit someone thats where the Alliance comes in handy.
Im 29 and you wouldnt even get me with one hit
vague holly
point is, I was able to easily hit him, even though he's 10 levels above me
if it was cracking his base, yeah, I'd need Alliance help
so yeah, I actually like the fact that I can punch up 10 levels, despite most people disliking it
I feel most people only look at the negative, "They can hit me" but don't look at the positive, "more nodes available to me and juicier bases my alliance can help me with"
I mean, yeah, I could ask my Alliance to help me find and clear nodes, and I do occasionally if I have a long bubble up, but for the most part, I take care of daily stuff on my own and only seek help when raiding or doing other things outside of dailies
quasi wren
His crew is crap ( not even set for mining) NS is weaker so you had lots working in your favor with that hit. But me at 29 can go out and wipe out every 23 ship out there miner and war ship probably in one hull. And you are saying you couldnt find a 20-27 sitting on a node? Find tha really hard to believe
quasi wren
Why not go to 24? pvp range goes to a 36 top end. They have lots of goodies.
last nest
You wouldnt be able to touch
pastel void
I have two Horizons now and I'm level 27!
My second Horizon is only like tier 3 but still
last nest
yeah i had all three faction miners and 2 maxed horizons now i just use faction miners
Going to scrap the horizons soon
quasi wren
Its really fun being at 29 and having a 45 cream all your 4 ships and base.
I mean here is my NS
It would take multiple hits for a 23 maxed NS to move this off a node
vague holly
His crew is crap ( not even set for mining) NS is weaker so you had lots working in your favor with that hit. But me at 29 can go out and wipe out every 23 ship out there miner and war ship probably in one hull. And you are saying you couldnt find a 20-27 sitting on a node? Find tha really hard to believe
@quasi wren Yeah, that was his NS though, his Horizon next to it with a proper mining crew was even weaker, but not zero at the time
me at 23, unless they have a strong NS and are mining in it, can wipe out most Horizons with ease
Why not go to 24? pvp range goes to a 36 top end. They have lots of goodies.
@quasi wren Because I am still doing research for 23 and at 23 you unlock Foundry, Engine Technology Lab and Science Lab
Once I am done with all the research and buildings I am going straight to 25 so I can build and work on my Vi'Dar
quasi wren
Here is one of my horizons with ZERO lower decks
vague holly
I would be curious how my NS would fare against that, but in my experience, most players do not have their Horizons that strong
quasi wren
Good plan and great thing to do.
pastel void
I do still see plenty of people in the lower 30s with subpar Horizons and even the occasional Envoy though. I'm 27 now so I even take on the odd faction miner in PVP, but when I was lower I recall taking on a few ships from higher level peeps
quasi wren
Ya there are many peeps at high lvls but weak ships
vague holly
and that's just what I found right next to me in the system I am mining without even looking very hard
pastel void
Too many people rush their ops. I'd rather be a strong level 27 than a weak level 30 unable to take on my dailies
vague holly
yup, I do not level until I have tested my ships against what the new dailies will be...same with rep, will not push rep unless I have seen I will be able to do the dailies in 2 runs
quasi wren
Yep. I have always built up my ships and research before ops. I have all 3 lvl 28 ships at T7 1 mil + power
last nest
You have to do that though
pastel void
I don't tend to worry about my rep so much, but I'm dual faction so I rank up slower anyway
quasi wren
Ya I am also trip locked and was guaging my ops by my Swarm needed
last nest
1Faction miner will take me a year to max
quasi wren
Regular faction hostiles where never a great hardship for me
last nest
You cant do anything other then ops up
quasi wren
I am stocking up to get my Kvort to T4 out the door when I hit 30
vague holly
I'm only Consort with Fed/Kli atm, and can do that in one hull now as long as I hit only 31s, if I have to hit even one 32 it takes me a second trip, but I expect that to change as I level those three buildings and of course after I got my Carol promotion done these past 2 Doms
pastel void
Yeah I don't aim to max my miners or anything. Basically I just try and hold at odd numbered levels for a while, use the time to catch up on research. Once I feel I only have a small amount of research to do I pull the trigger on the next even numbered level
vague holly
how will you run out of shields when you get 24h worth of shields from dailies everyday?
and shields are super cheap in Alliance Store
you should never run out of shields
last nest
Should but there is the capability to
Find a nice raid while on a 3 day sheild boom you lost it
vague holly
how when you get 24h of shields/day from dailies, plus Alliance credits that allow you to purchase even more?
well yeah, if you pop your shields early you'll have issues....don't pop a 3-day if you are gonna be looking for raid targets, just use a 4h
pastel void
Since they added the 12 hour shield to the daily rewards I don't get how you run out of shields without being careless, aye
vague holly
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last nest
You can pop them whenever but if you need to hit someone you still lose it
Its gone doesnt matter
vague holly
you never need to hit someone. Plan your shielding better
vague holly
well then don't put up a long shield before you are going to be looking for a node
don't use a 3-day when a 4h will do. The only time I use a 3-day is if I am not going to be playing for 3-days
pastel void
Usually someone in my alliance willing to pop a node for me if I've got a long shield on
vague holly
or, if I do put up a 3-day because I think I'm not gonna play for 3-days, but end up playing, I ask my Alliance to help me clear a node
but honestly, other than the free 7-day that went up when I went to 15 I do not think I have ever used a bubble longer than 12h
this is a strategy game after all, planning when to be bubbled and when not to be and managing the resources at your disposal is part of the strategy
pretty sure I popped that 7-day the day it went up too, lol
last nest
Hitting nodes/finding a raid you still have many different orders you could take that will be beneficial to you. You can run out of shields there are possibilities especially if you are in a small alliance
And never winning events
For alliance credits
vague holly
you get 24h of shields a day if you do your dailies, plus plenty of Alliance credits that can be used to buy plenty more shields
if you are in a small Alliance, then move to a bigger one? recruit more people?
this is an MMO, being in a strong Alliance is important
last nest
Theres always the "go to a bigger alliance" comment do you all not understand alliances are full?
Or they dont accept people of certain levels
last nest
Yeah and waste all of those alliance points that youve used to raise your alliances player count
pastel void
My alliance is like 17th on my server, we're not the big hitters by any means
last nest
Lmao
vague holly
well, those points are not doing you any good currently are they?
last nest
Btw im in top 3 alliance in my server im giving you an example for lower levels
vague holly
btw, I am a lower level
I was in a top 10 for a while, but war with the 2 and 3 alliances broke them
pastel void
Yeah, my alliance is pretty low level overall. Almost all of our players are mid to high 20s
last nest
You all think it is an easy process for things currently because your brackets arent as extremely dumb
vague holly
I'm still in a Top 100, we completed the Apex AMS event
our highest is only a 35, plenty in the low 20s
even a few teens
took me 5 minutes to find this Alliance after I left my last over some Discord drama
literally, posted in GC, "Daily Active Player looking for Alliance." Had 5 invites in under a minute and more PMs
FYI, it was one of the PMs I responded to whose Alliance I went to, not one of the blind invites
last nest
Yeah our server no alliance in top 10 will take anyone below 26
vague holly
so if you are not above 26 why do you need to be in a top 10? As long as you can complete the AMS events who cares?
last nest
they are most likely broke
And have run out of shields because of the guys that harass anyone below that
vague holly
we don't run out of shields and complete AMS events just fine
with your running out of shields argument, I'm really starting to think you are trolling
since the addition of 12h shields to dailies and the reduction in cost for shield in Alliance Store, shields have not been an issue for anyone except those who forget to put them up
last nest
There is literally an alliance in our server that hits any base unshielded anywhere lower then them with 1 hit while also hitting any miner they have out just because they can
And how do you get your nodes back you hit
Aka your shield goes away again
pastel void
I guess this is the thing for me, I'm on a fairly young server, 130. Our top player is level 45. It's a fairly pleasant atmosphere, pretty much everyone sticks to GA. Maybe that'll change as we all get stronger.
vague holly
instead of shielding, move your base, make them find you again
band together with other Alliances and got hit their bases to make them bubble so they can't hit your miners
there are options
last nest
They find you doesnt matter its their goal to stop anyone coming into 20+ levels a bad experience
And you cant do anything other then waste relos etc
And no we dont protect them
pastel void
This is the thing, servers do have clear cultures. As I say mine is quite pleasant. The biggest alliance on my server are lovely. From the sounds of things if I was on Ichibe's server I'd probably have quit by now.
I basically almost never get hit unless I am on a zero node or OPC
last nest
All the people that come in asking for server merges have servers worse then mine
Theyve killed off the players.
From that experience
vague holly
yeah, it does sound pretty bad, but without seeing it and experiencing it myself I can't really give guidance on how to deal with it. @weak marten and @civic slate have said time and time again though they are willing to take the time to help out anyone and everyone. They have more experience than me and if you discuss with them in detail your issues perhaps they can help you figure out a way to overcome your problems