@delicate sentinel I'm seriously pissed off by the support in this game. Several times now I have raised issues and been fobbed off. Raised an issue yesterday regarding not being given points for daily goals. Twice I claimed the daily loot box. But was not given the points for them... also once didn't get a check off on one of the 4hr boxes. Support said there was a delay. This was 12hrs after the complaint . Complete with screenshot. 23hrs later I logged in to claim another and it still didn't register. They are full of shit. And I'm seriously fed up of this now. Something needs to be done NOW
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forest spear
delicate sentinel
@forest spear Can you please PM me your ID?
weak sluice
@delicate sentinel will the Khan fast repair will carry on after it expires in a few hours? Repair times have not been fixed (or nothing suggest otherwise)
carmine jay
Support is utter trash @forest spear , even for those who spend thousands š
sharp topaz
The player Indurkin is a homophobic racist who is making me uncomfortable by dribbling all his shit, attacking without provocation or cause.
deep oasis
@delicate sentinel @weak sluice I have over 60 messages back and forth with them over 4.5 months trying to get a fix to my ships not being able to be tiered up by time., only by paying them gold. 8 separate occasions they responded saying they will only compensate me for my issue after they fix the problem. I tested their fixes trying to upgrade 4 different ships needing to collect and then refine enough resources to upgrade all four ship systems before tiering them... couldnāt advance, kicked from my alliance, could only mine for 4.5 months, now itās fixed and I get the middle finger, no compensation. I ask why and show them screen shots.... dead silence... what a joke of a company
exotic pawn
I did kill 5 klingons level 28 but the dialy goal respective continues 0 (zero). I did leave the game, restarted the game, but the issue remains.
velvet nest
Guys where can I get some real support for an in game issue where it says I donāt have enough RSS to repair my ship but I have more than enough and when I tried to use latinum to fix it that didnāt work either it just swallows the amount without repairing my ship the rage quit is getting very close
exotic pawn
The issue I did show happened several times, I used in game support, so Scopely knows the issue, but there is no definitive solution yet !
@delicate sentinel
ashen magnet
"- Fixed an issue where some unshielded stations couldnāt be attacked" - This is very nice, but the reason many stay in these stations is the bug that allows some players to attack some SHIELDED stations. That needs to be fixed also tomorrow.
covert bay
@exotic pawn those are not Klingon. It is not because they are in Klingon space that they are... the ships need to have klingon in their name for the daily to count
exotic pawn
@covert bay I mean npcĀ“s !
covert bay
yes, the NPC you showed a screenshot of are not klingon NPCs, so they won't count for dailes for federation
This is a Klingon
exotic pawn
@delicate sentinel I apologizes !
pure sage
Noting a disturbing coincidence across the Canadian server of certain players engaging stations of different units almost immediately after a shield drops. To the point where they seem to be waiting for the final count down to the shield dropping.
I've seen video's of all sorts of rooted phones and rogue apps allowing for unintended advantages in almost any mobile game, but this is getting ugly. Having been at the receiving end of this I can say that it isn't fun to try and defend against. It's just another reason not to waste $$ on RSS that can be looted either.
Please look into this.
idle fable
Ok now the real issues.. Where is the May pack?
abstract warren
Worst game ever. Only playing because of the people within the game. Scopely you lie and allow cheating. I severely doubt Gene would ever have endorsed this. Congratulations. You ruined Star Trek.
hallow pumice
You mean the pay pack, possibly with the payflower @idle fable
heavy horizon
They also like to rip you off scopely How could you and they like to say I understand your frustration but there's nothing I can do for you when they help other people when the same things happened to them Scope Play you forget about what's important which is the customer
near oasis
. @delicate sentinel have you all phoned it in with providing UnCom G3 gas in the refining process?Is it difficult to figure out? Iām gonna stop refining and just mine an f ton of gas and save up until ppl report refining UnCom G3 gas somewhat regularity. #fixit.
@pure sage they are aware of this Scottyās workshop discord server allowing these cheats. I live and die by shields and notifications. 10 mins out from a shield expiring I get a notification to my phone from the app. Its great.
pure sage
@near oasis the notifications ar great when they work, but they don't always work. Last night I had my shields go down, no notification. I got attacked no immediate notification... My notification regarding the base attack hit my phone, I opened the app and the temp shield was already down and the guy was incoming to my base with a Horizon. The shield button on the top screen was the only thing that saved me from that attack.
near oasis
@pure sage that shield button is amazing. If you havenāt, please report the notification failure thru game. They can look at the event log. This will be something others are experiencing as well. And it sucks.
pure sage
Add some weirdness to that, I've had members of our unit all of a sudden get an error and a boot out of the app. Relog in and their base has been attacked. Now from playing PC games, I've seen this kind of exploit before where you suddenly freeze up, lag out and then get booted to desktop.
strong shard
@pure sage If course people wait until the shield drops. That is the indication that the user is not protecting their station and its time to attack. The defender and the attacker both know there is a 10 minute timer, and frankly its up to the defender to shield their station if they are offline. Now, with that said, the situtation that is ugly is that shields are bugging and Scopely isn't reimbursing for lost resources for a known bug. WHEN PEOPLE ARE PAYING REAL MONEY FOR RESOURCES, AND REAL MONEY FOR SHIELDS, THEY EXPECT THE SHIELDS TO WORK SCOPELY!!!
hallow pewter
Option 1: pay money & quit whining
Option 2: donāt pay money & quit whining
Option 3: delete the game so we donāt have to deal with people whining.
abstract warren
We have to make our own fun!!!! Hilarious tonight, shame you have no idea Scopely!!!
nova sierra
More and more I'm thinking scopely is trolling the consumer
solemn coral
deleted because of cross posting
brisk berry
Thought we would be notified ingame when maintenance would start....but we didnot get a heads up
wheat oak
Any betting the RIgel hostiles will not get unstuck š
icy bluff
Where was the in game notification???? š¤
static violet
Where is the server shutdown ? Scopely really thinks we're idiots.
They said: "EU server down 9h gmt for 45 minutes" and they can't even make a 10-minute break to fix the bugs that are still present. Congratulations, losers!
@rigid vapor Why do you think your customers are idiots? Why lie so often? Why not hire competent people on your team? Thank you for the answers.
covert bay
only one server was planned to be shut down, and that was to fix other specific issues
cinder garden
Are resources for augment credits going to return this weekend?
obsidian bramble
Game needs a spot in the store to sell back or trade unwanted ship blue prints for other ships or ore
static violet
@covert bay In the official announcement it was not indicated that our EU server was not concerned. A little precision would have been a sign of intelligence... but I think that on this side it is a little lacking... Just indicating how to know if we are concerned or not would be welcome, like a server number that appears somewhere in our settings. Why don't they think about leading people by boat?
covert bay
Yes it was specified by panic in the general channel that the only server with downtime would be 131 and that it would be transparent for everyone else
Not that is successful as far as we can see atm though š
fluid vault
U can find out ur server number by looking in the top right corner on the error message u receive when trying to repair 2 ships at the same time
covert bay
Stations around zevis are now hittabke on several servers so it seems to work
nova sierra
<@&509691205798592532> is there EVER going to be an actual fix to refinery rates? Iām on a solid week now without a single uncommon 3*...
unique glen
@nova sierra don't know. You're asking the wrong people, moderators are player volunteers. You could try tagging the cm's?
nova sierra
Who are they? I mean, if they actually work for Scopely theyāll just lie some more, but still...
carmine jay
It wont be adjusted till sales drop off
wheat oak
Glad I didn't bet on the Rigel hostiles. They're alive! š
hearty zenith
The glitched bases were fixed š
unique glen
@nova sierra i am a moderator and I don't work for scopely. I volunteer here to help and advocate for other players like myself.
Vent if you wish, but identify the correct target first š
nova sierra
I donāt see how itās possible sales havenāt dropped substantially already... people on my server arenāt spending near what they used to.
@unique glen oh I know yāall aināt to blame. Kell is from my server and a good friend, so I know yāall canāt really do any more than we can.
But yāall do sometimes get info before we do about things to come
unique glen
We also had to sign nda's š±š
nova sierra
Lol... naturally...
Never been much of a fan of those... protecting proprietary info I get, but knowing whatās coming can only keep more people interested in a game that is very obviously starting to die
static violet
The update of our server has been done, or at least the patch for non-attackable bases. Thank you Scopely; finally everything is fine at this level.
wooden zenith
I have a question for scopely, when will they start compensating players over their never ending bugs and stop the bleeding of people asking for compensation and being so discouraged that they end up quitting?
The vast majority of other games compensate when they know they're the reason a player ends up dry.
Not to mention the fact that reported players for verbal abuse or harassment towards female players never get banned just because they pay etc...
That people taking advantages of glitches, so basically cheating and breaking the TOS don't get punished for it when it should be done immediately.
Etc etc... When will scopely actually do their job?
civic slate
@wooden zenith lots of issues there. so compensating over bugs; not likely to happen. they're very clear that it's not their policy, and the bugs are all pretty well known, so there shoudl be ways you as a player should be prepared for thos in case they happen.
i have seen on my server (15) players be banned, suspended, or eventually deleted for obscene or harassing comments. but need to probably be pretty heinous. i don't think you're gonna get someone banned for making a sexist comment. while this is a community based game, you're always gonna have assholes. the specific examples on our server involved rape and violent threats.
there is a clear list of items that are not permitted with TOS. scotty's workshop for example. but players taking advantage of the game play as it sits now is hardly cheating if the game mechanics allow it. hwoever, i'm more curious about what is happening that you consider "cheating?" if i hit a base, adn a shield doesn't raise, why would i wait to hit it again. not cheating. i can't know if your emergency shield didn't raise. i could suppose that you were hit within the last 2 hours and your shield hasn't cycled yet. what other examples do you have?
wooden zenith
My example on cheating is regarding a certain system where bases couldn't get hit. Which is taking advantage of a game glitch. These players could sit days without shield and stock up enormous amount of rss without getting hit.
Also in most other games, players taking advantages of known glitches that are bound to be fixed are getting at least temp banned and the problem is adresses directly by support on announcement. Which is something Scopely never does. Except for Scotty's workshop.
For the base hit if you're about to hit anyway I get that you go for it if the shield bugs.
But having lots of players that you can't hit because of a glitches system is just a joke.
To me the real issue here is that everything that is stated in the rules of the games and that are constantly broken, and sometimes with tons of proofs sent seeem to have no consequences.
The players who used Scotty are still playing in my server for example...
slate anvil
so when are we getting our compensation back
gentle goblet
@wooden zenith it was just one planet with 16 players around it? Not to say it isn't annoying but I hardly see how it matters much for the game experience, and finally it got fixed today š
wooden zenith
How it matters is that it's just not right. Lol.
You get your ass raided and then you get to contemplate whoever took your loot sitting there untouchable. It's just basic fair game matter. Happy to know you don't care. But when you want your loot back it's not right.
jagged vector
This seems to be a tad bit suspicious, a lvl9 in deep Fed faction space? Sitting on a depleted mine.
nova sierra
@wooden zenith I think what you're describing is very comparable to the release of copyrighted material through torrents for example.
In The Netherlands we have an independant company called BREIN that's actively pursueing the people who release copyrighted material to effectively remove the means that people have available to break the rules with.
It's a better return on energy invested in some cases to focus on fixing the issue rather than spending time tracking down each individual offender and establishing a proper 'punishment'.
Atleast that's how I see it - curious how you view this.
That said, there are no wrong answers really - just different ones.
jagged vector
@gentle goblet Multiply that by how many servers Scopely is running and how many people are taking advantage of the glitch to profit from it? Scopely comes out ahead from people who are stuck buying packs to keep up with the whales who take advantage of the glitch.
wooden zenith
@nova sierra thing is I played and still play different mmos and every developpers have their own way of dealing with things.
For example, in March to War (now dead) the devs took a long time before doing anything against "cheaters" it killed the game. They were heavy pay to win already, who found new ways to screw people with stuff like Scotty.
It took a long time because it was hard to prove.
But when people took advantages of glitches the temp bans were nearly instant. It was 2 weeks of impossibility to play and I find it fair. There were some invisible areas where you could locate your base for example. The people who went there knowing the advantage it could give where banned. And they didn't do it again.
Perma bans where given to abusive accounts.
Or to those who asked for refunding.
And so far I haven't seen that happen in my server at all.
The game is already unbalanced af (sorry but true). If the behavior of some is not actually monitored it's even worse.
gentle goblet
@jagged vector sorry but I have to disagree with you here, if you don't know how to protect your RSS one planet with 16 players that can't be attacked aren't going to make a difference
jagged vector
I've been attacked and cleaned out even though I was shielded three times. Don't tell me that you can protect your rss.
gentle goblet
well I haven't been cleaned up in a very long time, so I guess I can protect my RSS
jagged vector
Each time Scopely has refused to restore my resources from the station raid, even though I provided proof that I was shielded and I did not receive any notice of the attack.
gentle goblet
if you were cleaned due to a bug in the shields it's a different story, still has nothing to do with a single planet where players can't be attacked...
wooden zenith
It's an example damnit. The Envoy bug was another etc etc. There are glitches that benefit people and the fact they are used should not be ok. That's all. Using the flaws of the system and letting people do it without consequences isn't healthy that's all I'm saying.
nova sierra
@wooden zenith Very interesting answer, thanks for taking the time to write that!
I can't speak to the game you mention as I've never played but I did spend a year or two in my puberty as a Game Master for a private World of Warcraft server.
I was able to view tickets whilst inside the game and teleport myself to the offending player's location and view the offender live in action myself - leaving 0 room for any doubt.
I can imagine for a mobile game such as this, that's not possible - or that the tools haven't been made (yet).
So that leaves us with working what's available and from what I've seen (from a players perspective) that's not a whole lot.
I definitely agree that if the resources are there, it's worth pursuing every offender. So given that this isnāt happening only lets me come to the conclusion that the resources to do so simply arenāt there.
Bringing me back to the comparison I made earlier; to which we have to be at peace with for now.
jagged vector
Who is to say that there is not another "Scottys Workshop hack" out in the wild? If each of those 16 players or even a significant number of them were using it to get notifications of shield times that would unbalance the game on that server.
wooden zenith
@nova sierra indeed we lack tools to prove the issues. Screenshots can't do everything.
But when you get a certain number of tickets all saying the same thing there should be something done more quickly about it. The glitched planet issue took ages to get actually fixed. The Envoy bug too. Etc. To me there is an issue on the lack of reaction by scopely.
And the fact they don't compensate over their own bugs when it's proven is just a massive joke.
It's the first time I see devs act like that. Really the first time š
gentle goblet
@jagged vector if a player is using a cheating mechanism it's a different story and it doesn't matter which planet they are on š
@wooden zenith OK got your point, indeed there are bugs in the game, but if I was the one deciding what gets fixed first the zevis bug would have been way down the list
nova sierra
@wooden zenith Sorry, I should've gone into more depth but that was what I was referring to when I said:
"So that leaves us with working what's available and from what I've seen (from a players perspective) that's not a whole lot."
I don't believe the tools permit CS to track and match different tickets as to be 1 issue.
So when player X and player Y both report player Z, I think these are viewed - responded to - and closed as individual cases.
But I must stress, these are my assumptions and can't be taken as fact. Maybe they can but perhaps it's not cost-effective. Who knows, there could even be other reasons.
But at one point we do have to make our peace with it; like the game for what it is, not just/only for what it can become.
It's definately got flaws but it's also being improved upon. I feel, as someone who is studying application development, that it has its charms to see Scopely try and stumble at times.
It's always better than not to try at all. š
wooden zenith
I agree there are efforts made. But (yes I'll be annoying one last time) it's been released with so many issues it's like they always fix something instead of actually really improving.
And sorry but been playing for months and where the hell are the "coming soon" armadas?
It was a rushed job.
nova sierra
You're not annoying at all! No worries!
I'm a player just like you, I share many of your statements actually.
I guess what I'm trying to tell by all this is basically this:
Iāve complained a lot at times, at a lot of different companies over a lot of different products I was passionate about. Often not feeling I was heard.
The conclusion of all these experiences is what Iād like to share which is that at some point, you have to let go and allow more time to pass. Regardless of how much has already passed to begin with and regardless of the inconvienence you might experience. I think once you know that people share your views; the product owner knows as well. It's his/her bread after all.
A lot happens behind the curtains of every business and often politics slow down progress eventually. But it's still done by people. And luckily, people tend to learn. ;)
For me, Iāve found letting go meant having more fun and that I view as the best goal in life. š
That said, it was great having this conversation with you. I'd like to think our chat might inspire a change in views for the people who might have read along.
But RL is knocking on my door to get some business done, so I got to stop writing for a bit.
Thanks again and see ya around!
civic slate
@wooden zenith on our server, the atrieg planet glitch was more than not being able to get hit. they were UNABLE to even port out. so if they happened to land on that system, they were trapped. wasn't their fault. that was on our server anyway. they bitched and complained as much as the rest of us. they coudln't do anything about it. they were stuck.
@jagged vector priya is hardly "deep" in faction space. i was mining gas theyre pretty early too.
jagged vector
At lvl9?
civic slate
@jagged vector i was zeroed one time. for 49 mil. never happened again. people dont get through on me lol i also can protect my RSS. the envoy bug wasn't as much a bug as peole thought. if your envoy coudln't hit, it's cause that hit would have taken the base "below" vault protections... granted. the end user experience was faulty, but you still woudln't have gotten rss from that hit. it's why attack ships still worked.
@jagged vector no, i wasnt at level 9... but i also didn't have the game education i do now. maybe i would have if i could have. how many of us knew shit about this game at level 9? lol NO ONE. is the asnswer. that's probably someone's alt account who knows how important those materials are at an early stage.
wooden zenith
@nova sierra thanks John and have a good day š
gentle goblet
@jagged vector Priya is a warp 12 system, fortunate max warp is 13, I'm fairly sure you can get that even at lvl 9
nova sierra
@wooden zenith You too! ^^
gentle goblet
or at leas a lower warp + scotty
@civic slate to be fair there is absolutely 0 need for 3* stuff at lvl9, and the mining rates for it are horrible anyway
I suppose you could stock up at lower levels to make your life easier down the road if you want to have negative rep with the federation, but it's a bit of a stretch
gentle goblet
yep, it can be done very easily
leaden sundial
I have an issue last night I had a shield up and there is a hack some people are using that pops your shield so that they can raid your base. This is completely unfair and I had to purchase 2 packs this morning which I should be reimbursed for and you need to figure out how to block these hacks
civic slate
more information on said "hack" @leaden sundial have never heard of this. only hacks that have been circulated was the tracking hack and scotty's workshop, but scopely has ended those to my knowledge.
azure bay
I think that level 9 is trolling
Should be able to eject any levels off nodes that are 0 regardless of their level tbh. Or at least eject them from the node itself so other can get on it
civic slate
what server are you on? @azure bay
azure bay
Not too sure, but I'm pretty sure it's NA West, if the NA servers are separated by region. I'm in the same server as the person who posted that picture above
civic slate
quick and easy way to tell. try to repair two ships at the same time. youll get an error message. up in the right hand corner is teeny tiny letters, your server number is embedded into that.
gentle goblet
I've also seen it on our server...
light orchid
Seems trivial and quite nonsensical that we still canāt name our ships, or have our own commander avatar yet in this game. I canāt see it absorbing that much space in a database server these days, and those simple features have existed on STO (an older game) since launch essentially.
nova sierra
If this game has been able to bank tends of millions of dollars... itās fucking ASININE that they havenāt put more work into making it more playable without spending thousands...
velvet oriole
@delicate sentinel , Scopely should really reconsider add more g3 nodes in game.... right now eques even worse to get free node then it was in Perestroika back in 1985... pathetic
nova sierra
They need to loosen up on all the resources..make em flow , people are being throttled..and are quitting out of frustration
nova sierra
Yup. And the refinery NEEDS to be fixed. Or at least make those super refine things permanent
@delicate sentinel and yāall need to bring back the chance to trade in rss for tokens again... work is about to push me idle for a month or two, and I doubt Iāll come back if I know Iāll have to start over with zero rss
ebon sparrow
Itās become pretty apparent that Scopely does not really give two fuels of a rolling donut about their consumer base. Their glitchās become our headaches, and frustrations and the customer service sucks worse than a 2$ professional ....personally, the game locked up for 24 to 36 or so hours. Lost millions in rss and was told oh well, we donāt replace rss.... I replied back I figured you would screw me,....... cause itās true....
craggy egret
Of course. They fix glitches that benefit us within days (except for zevis) but leave glaring nearly game breaking bugs untouched for months and effectively steal money from their customers.
viral drum
I've compared all the new officers now, and not a single one is even close to translating. Google Translator could do that better. 2 examples:
First means, that Ventaks Ship (who the f. ist Ventak?) do 0.5 more damage, I English he protect 50% cargo.
Second Joachim increase 50% migration of the ship and in German the impulse speed is of whole fleet is increased by 0.5%.
Well, Germans and English speaking ppl play a different game.
cosmic knoll
you can use scotty to really good effect. we have a lvl8 account taking a g3 spot every day. but im not one to talk about that as i also take large g3 spots in high lvl systems at lvl14 (possible at 12 with jelly mining) - and before anyone complains ... faction dailies ... yes there is a reason for that g3 rss. I am not alone, theres 4 or 5 of us at 12-14 that do this on my server; as a bonus, we are sticking it to the pay to win high lvl players who control g3 rss with their alliances.
gentle goblet
@cosmic knoll doing daily mining with a JF !? why not a fortunate, sorry I don't have a problem with lower levels mining G3 for faction dailies, but I do have a problem with players using non-survey ships which are inefficient...
covert ibex
@delicate sentinel there have been talks about a server mergers soon. i would realy hope we get a decent heads up before that happens.
plus what will be the categories based on selecting wich servers merge together.. i hipe its not a terible missmatch of power.
hushed swift
@covert ibex in the Q&A we had a little bit ago, it explains that, lemme grab you a link
cosmic knoll
@gentle goblet a fortunate is subject to getting hit by NAPped lowbies, but a jelly can reach far beyond most Napped babies ... making it very possibly immune to being bumped ... mine in a fortunate for 10 minutes? or mine in a jelly for 10 hours ...i know which comes back with more. interpreting numbers is one thing, playing is something else
covert ibex
@hushed swift thx il look into it
haughty flower
@cosmic knoll yeah but then you're stopping someone else from mining cos you're hogging a node someone else could use. I destroy mining combat ships on principle
gentle goblet
@cosmic knoll does your server not have EMK rules?
cosmic knoll
@haughty flower so when i frequent the local g2 nodes, all taken by lvl20+ .... whats your excuse? i can use it for envoy? i can use it for my talla? i can use it for my daily? ... yeah i seen upto lvl 31's on g2 nodes all day ... even zeroed.
@gentle goblet no, there are zero rules for anything, but the top alliances do agree that posting station locations in gal chat is bad ... and then do it themselves
gentle goblet
@cosmic knoll ok we have EMK rules which says if you're mining with a non-survey ship you can be hit, if you're mining with a survey ship you should be left alone unless over protected cargo or the mine is depleted...
haughty flower
@cosmic knoll do I need an excuse? As you pointed out space is at a premium. If you use a mining ship you'll get your mining done quicker and free the node for someone else. But then I'm on a server which for the most part doesn't kill empty miners.
gentle goblet
and most/all big alliances are a part of it
cosmic knoll
true, if there was mining rules, things would go a lot better, but unfortunately on my server theres no rules except for the ones the top alliances enforce on everyone else
haughty flower
@cosmic knoll it took a long time to get there, in the end even the top alliances realised that if you don't let people grow then you'll have no one to raid
cosmic knoll
@haughty flower i wish that were true, but my server is different, the top alliances hold all the g3 nodes except for the ones 'us' low lvls take. and they scream and shout in their discord channels to get us bumped ... because noone except their alliances are allowed g3
my server is full of idiots, and i am one of them tbh, but im using my stupidity to defeat them
haughty flower
Yeah, just kill every mining ship you see for a few weeks and make em cry. That's basically what we did.
Then the top guys realised they quite like mining in peace
cosmic knoll
i assume your server isnt full of gold plated iphone users? because in mine, theres quite a number of players who spent thousands on the game, and clearly dont work as they can quite happily send out 10-20 ships from different playing accounts to surround a base and sit there whislt waiting for any ships to appear or return .. for a long long time
my server is nasty, the top alliances are nasty, i hope it dies soon so they have nothing to do
haughty flower
Yeah, in that situation I'd delete my account and go another server tbh.
lilac saffron
In our server there's no dirty hits allowed except for in war. Usually a warship is otl within an hour and when one is in there, its because he's unloading
nova sierra
I was like, yes new daily levels, better rewards... i forgot... the power šš oehh.. if only the refinery would drop more oreš„ŗ
hallow pumice
Lol
analog ravine
The inability to refine rare G3 material, due to the very, very low rate, is killing the game for me . I have yet to get one rare in the past week.
abstract warren
Whose the top alliances on your server? @cosmic knoll
gloomy mesa
@tepid nimbus I have a TON of 2* mats that are doing nothing. How do we petition to get a way of upgrading say 10x 2* mats > 1x 3* mat or something to that affect?
^ This probably should have been in Ideas-and-suggestions...
vagrant orbit
Iām in reputation Fed 5m I have fight hostiles 36-37 level to do dailies with ship which is much weaker any ideas how to get this going to get daily tokens
cosmic knoll
@abstract warren the same as you clambill probably, as you have probably drawn similarity with what ive said
abstract warren
Wolf LUNR STEL
cosmic knoll
exactlyt
cosmic knoll
if they reverted the pvp brackets, it might help
abstract warren
The galaxy is empty. It's pay to win nothing. I am not a gamer like this. But I didn't realise that people took the game so serious. It's supposed to be fun right?
Which alliance are you in? You can pm if you do not wish to say here.
cosmic knoll
indeed @abstract warren .. it is supposed to be fun, the galchat at least is mostly entertaining ... without jobbies
cosmic knoll
i can pm you in game.
woeful gate
It's not too bad when you're in a coalition with lunar lol.
And have a mining nap with Wolf and stel...
pallid peak
Can we get the recall and locate buttons moved further away from each other?
rough falcon
to add on that, not have recall and use latinum to instant heal be in the same spot
or a confirmation for using latinum
nova sierra
Has anyone got a use for independant credits yet? Strange they are being offered now
vagrant orbit
I have but I have to pay 5000 for each 50 wtf ???
surreal condor
@nova sierra apparently they're required to promote Khan's crew
From another channel
vital wraith
They take the place of klingon/fed credits for khans crew
nova sierra
But why there are different Prices? Someone Need 2k, 3k or 5k credits to get 50 Independent
vital wraith
Its either ops or rep based
its kind of nuts that it seems to increase as you go higher though
makes zero sense
safe bramble
5k for me for 50 credits. Scopely can shove it up their arse
unreal finch
@safe bramble straight to the point I like it
safe bramble
People with lower aug reputation get 25 independent credits for 300 aug credits. I thought the logic was better and cheaper the higher the aug reputation
urban path
the offer for me is the same 5000 for 50. but one good point is im happy for the lower lvls to get a better deal than the higher ups its nearly always the other way round
but surprise surprise for 100 quid u can buy a pack with 1300 independent credits in...
safe bramble
Yes and you need 1050 to promote a shitty aug officer (Joaquin) from level 15
Wow thatās great Scopely. You thieving twats
nova sierra
@delicate sentinel @tepid nimbus <@&509691205798592532> this is absurd , and frankly insulting. At lvl 32, and at friend level, I get a mere 50 tokens per day from the augment store. That means I can only upgrade one officer every 20 days
Please go tell whomever decides this, that itās ridiculous and absurd.
At that rate , it would take a year to promote them all. Utterly absurd.
Please be advised, Moderators cannot influence the game.
solemn coral
sure, everything shoud be instant
nova sierra
@nova sierra I know
solemn coral
best at no cost at all, right ?
nova sierra
@solemn coral no. Not instant. But not 6+ months to promote them
@nova sierra Then please use the tag appropriately, in the case that there's an issue related to chat.
solemn coral
I think one of the devs once said: go play one of those asian games where it takes months to even reach level 2
nova sierra
@solemn coral and Iāve spent 12k on the game lol. So Iām not asking for freebies
solemn coral
@nova sierra paying is for the impatient
nova sierra
@nova sierra oh Iām sorry. I was told you all give bug reports and feedback to the devs. You were tagged properly
We watch the channels even without our phones going buzz buzz. š
Well I said my piece. Imo 50 a day is absurd. Iām not asking for it instant or free. Asking for proper balance.
And this isnāt an Asian game on the Asian markets
solemn coral
it's not asian origin, but it is on the asian markets as well š
nova sierra
Yes but not the primary market and the user base wonāt wait like the Asian games. Like I said. Instant is absurd, but making people wait 20d per officer is imo
cinder garden
Every time i get tempted to spend some money on this game they come out with another transparent cash grab like this. No more.
nova sierra
If the canned response to inflated prices is " go play another game" then y'all need to change that a bit...sure we're willing to grind,and it takes time..but come on that's just an insult to people who are spending time playing...and please please please fix the gorram refinery
nova sierra
@delicate sentinel Is the refinery drop rate EVER going to be set to something thatās actually helpful? Iāve been stuck at zero progress for WEEKS because I canāt get the uncommon materials I need. Iāve been keeping track, and in the last 11 days I have gotten 4 uncommon crystal, 8 uncommon gas, and ZERO uncommon ore. I canāt upgrade ANYTHING until I get dozens more of all of them, and itās absolutely impossible to do so. I know Scopely is loving the flood of cash from the whales, but when the lower spenders and ftp players have all quit the game because itās impossible to progress, theyāre not gonna stick around much longer either...
gentle goblet
@nova sierra what level are you?
nova sierra
22
wraith walrus
Not sure where to ask, so thought Iād ask here, is there a may gift pack to buy?
Or will there be?
gentle goblet
hrm odd, can't remember it being that bad at 22, now at 24 I usually get at least 3 of each every day
if I'm lucky 2*3 a day, if I'm very lucky occasionally there will be 10...
nova sierra
Itās been this bad since 20. I havenāt seen any real change in the frequency of uncommons as Iāve leveled up
nova sierra
Hell... 90% of the reason Iāve been able to tier up what Iāve gotten to was because of the special refinery things. I doubt Iād have a single ship over 50k if not for that
sinful cipher
@delicate sentinel @tepid nimbus My augment faction rep is capped so why is there still an option to buy rep in the store? Also I'd like to echo @nova sierra feedback - 50 independent credits per day is too low, especially after you encouraged us to go fast to unlock the officers. It's a huge slap in the face to get there and then find that you can't level the only real reward of the expansion content. Your designers should be ashamed of themselves.
nova sierra
@sinful cipher thatās stupid itās still 50 at ally
I would have hoped 100 or 150
gentle goblet
@sinful cipher how many officers do you have that already tiered up to the point where they need the credits for the next one?
nova sierra
Why does this surprise you at all? The main game itself is screwed beyond belief, and isnāt even finished yet, why would the added content be any different?
gentle goblet
for me at level 25 I have none... so if I start buying them today at 50/day and continue buying recruit shards etc. maybe I'll get there in 20 days lol
nova sierra
The devs seem determined to kill this game with their laziness and demonstrated incompetence... Hell, maybe theyāre tired of it and thatās the whole point.
chrome thorn
It seems that the players who payed to reach the top are upset because they now have to wait to go any further. Not saying paying is bad, but most of us havenāt even unlocked more than Joaquin because progress is so slow. Iād rather the DEVs make the augments work like the other crew. Thereās no way Iām spend my time trying to get dailies, faction rep, BPs, mine resources, defend my base, AND mind data so i can use it to get some different kind of rep and faction points.
fathom chasm
360k latinum... real life must be really boring š
gentle goblet
@chrome thorn actually it isn't that difficult to mine 3*, do dailies and also mine data if you utilize your ships correctly.
sinful cipher
3 officers waiting for credits
gentle goblet
@sinful cipher and what level ops are you?
sinful cipher
and I slowed the officer chests when I realized they needed independent credits
32 ops
gentle goblet
lol just goes to show how big the disparity is...
I only have joacargo at the 3rd tier, otto at the 2nd and kati still at the 1st, don't even have any of the rare officers yet
and I've been opening 3 chests almost every day
nova sierra
Only have Joaquin, tier 1, and my BB is bottom tier 2. Canāt even get into augment space without Scotty, and I canāt go very deep anyway because Iām stuck behind enemies I canāt even close to beat.
Augment space right now is ONLY for the spenders. What few of the rest of us can even get in, canāt compete
gentle goblet
I didn't spend a cent on augments and I still do all the single events easily...
nova sierra
My mining rate, even the deepest I can go, is crap... plus our server is full of asshats that love killing underlimit miners just for kicks
Hell, I only get my faction mining dailies 1 Day a week tops for the same reason... and it usually costs me a fortune in trit repairing. Usually burn over 100k per day just repairing envoys, sometimes as much as 250....
gentle goblet
then your server sucks š¤·
nova sierra
No argument here... lot of vigilante asshats in the upper 20s and lower 30s who just live to burn the server to the ground, WAY too few 3* mines for the people who need them, and an ever-decreasing number of bases in the 15-19 range for the people in my range to feed on.
chrome thorn
@gentle goblet itās not, but if I had to choose Iād stick with dailies and the original faction missions. Additionally, when you need to mine ore or gas in enemy territory you need two ships. So that leaves one left over unless your at lvl 28.
Ive found it easier to focus on data or dailies ... not both.
nova sierra
Not s buyer, using envoys to mine green or brown..joecargo is nice with stonn and tpring..25k protection,the amounts of data versus what ya get are kinda ridiculous though
gentle goblet
@chrome thorn you just need a 2nd ship when you bring your miner over, it doesn't need to stick around...
for me the augment dailies give awesome RSS + I guess the officers will be nice for base raiding once they are tiered up, with all the Kahn tokens hopefully I can get that done in a week or two lol
shadow hound
Wtf..?? You mad in the head...
Struggle for the decoded data, unless you have upped the Botany... Even then the nodes get taken, and this event, most cannot get to the good nodes, so xxx win again... Funny that...š¤š¤š¤
When it comes to Playing the game, it seems MWB won out on the hunters event, and by quite a margin..! What would that tell you about the XXX mining wins...??šššš¤
gentle goblet
lol I only care about the solo event...
going to be done with today's one in a bit, and hopefully be able to find a spot tomorrow... shouldn't be too difficult
nova sierra
@nova sierra my bb has 75k pcl and is doing 135k/hr in yarda. Itās sick
<@&509691205798592532> one of our players on server 133 just got some threats which violate the TOS. Player has been reported in game. However wanting to ensure its not missed ... threatening murder is very serious. I have the screenshots. How would the best course of action be to proceed?
surreal condor
@nova sierra - please pm them to me and I will send to the appropriate team.
nova sierra
@sinful cipher this is why thereās only 50 tokens in the store. They want players to spend 100s or 1000s in yet another place in the game
And 1300 for 99$ sucks. At least I get 4500 with the other factions
And these officers need just as many as the other factions to level up
rapid folio
<@&509691205798592532> has it ever thought to allow change in the crew (bridge and back) when ship is out of station?
And if yes, any reason why not implemented ?
gentle goblet
@nova sierra like anything else in this game, you either wait or pay š
topaz venture
How much power does ops lvl 28 give u?
lost slate
I know this is going to sound like others have not heard it or said it and a simple VENT, but I mean the higher you get the larger the levels that can attack you come on. Just became level 20 and a level 29 that is clearly out gun me comes along and kills me
winter patrol
@delicate sentinel <@&509691205798592532> 10 days of double batching g3 gas net me a total of 6 uncommon gas. How do U expect people to level up and complete research if not given ways to do it. Busting hump mining. If I get to a point where I canāt research or build because of the uncommon yields then I donāt see point in playing anymore. Just want a reasonable yield.
solar jewel
@delicate sentinel so many have already blocked and reported the spam. please door finally mind! it does not happen, the support is sleeping!
solemn coral
click, report, confirm, click, block, confirm
nova sierra
Last 3 days of refining,I've gotten 5 rare gas..and no uncommon..yeah,..
nova sierra
How much longer till we can get server wars? My server is as good as death, no bases to raid... š
winter patrol
.000012 uncommon gas return on 10 days double batch refining. Ridiculous <@&509691205798592532> @delicate sentinel
topaz venture
What is needed for fleet commander 3/5? Ops lvl 28 is about to be completed
lost slate
This is what is wrong with this game... the pvp range is to great I could not even stand a chance
@delicate sentinel this has to be changed or sooner or later you all can kiss the awards and acculates good bye. Reasons like this are why I refuse to pay for anything
gentle goblet
@lost slate a 21K envoy isn't really a match for anything you should have at level 20... even the 2* ships are much stronger when leveled and researched properly
nova sierra
@gentle goblet even though he buff up all his ships to the max on lvl20, it still cannot beat lvl28 faction ships and that is his point...
gentle goblet
actually that's not true, a Kehra can buff up to 350K which would have been a worthy opponent for that level 28 š
I agree it makes sense to lower the PvP range a bit, just don't think above is a good example of why
a survey ship will always be weak, the weaker it is the more likely it will get attacked, I have no clue what was the reason for the attack here but if I have to choose between attacking a 20K envoy or a 40K envoy the choice is easy
lost slate
@gentle goblet you miss the real point. As I literal made 20 not 30 minutes earlier thus no Kehra. But to make you happy maybe the levels remain but the limitation is no 3* can attack a 2* and vice versa thus balancing some
gentle goblet
what is the real point? that a lvl28 shouldn't be allowed to attack a lvl20?
nova sierra
That might upset the payers..
nova sierra
@gentle goblet ships from a lvl28 player will always be stronger then the ships from a lvl20, if both is buffed on the right way ofc. Just a simple example, a lvl28 get more buffs by upgrading his buildings and also have the three labs to make ships more stronger, and how higher your lvl how more upgrades you can do in Research. No matter what a lvl20 player do, he will never be a worthy opponent for a lvl28 player... š
gentle goblet
@nova sierra you can apply this argument to lvl24 vs. lvl28 as well, so what should be the limit?
the higher level you are, if you do it correctly then the more powerful you are, quite often though I find high level players with weak ships because all they spend their RSS on was buildings and no research or upgrading ships etc.
heavy quail
Yea but as you get to higher levels the PvP range get a lot bigger I am 23 and am constantly getting hit by 34's no way I can buff up to stop that and am living under a constant shield so I can save resources to level up builds it is so bad I have been using fortunate for mining just because they are cheaper to repair
gentle goblet
well nope but you also can't really stop a 24 with a strong Kumari
you can make it more difficult, but if you're offline and they're determined they'll get in
winter patrol
@delicate sentinel <@&509691205798592532> Day12 of double batching and no g3 gas. If ur trying to get me to quit. Your doing a. Good job.
craggy egret
The problem is, it's a greifing game. All ships are built essentially equal so there's huge incentive to only attack lower leveled players. It's extremely frustrating for all but the top players because there isliterally no defense you can have, your only option is to watch your ships as much as possible and run away anytime someone bigger gets to close (because they've figured out the targeting alert and wait till the last second to attack).
brisk fjord
Fix the god damn refinery. Im not spending another dime until you do. I'm a weeknaway from deleting this game and never touchi g another bullshit scopely product again.
hallow pumice
@nova sierra so they don't care about them, I just look at the complaints coming from them
nova sierra
Funny how many buyers and free players have the same issue..one, definitely is the gorram refinery..in need 4 uc, probably won't get it all week..and the event store don't have it for lvl 25
hallow pumice
I'm lvl 19 rn, and I'm f2p
keen bobcat
No building should cost more then the warehouse can hold. I know you can go over that limit from raiding but the warehouse limit should be the max that a building upgrade costs. Remove the need for uncommon items to be used for for anything other then ships so players don't have to choose between upgrading a ship or a building or research. Each refine should come with shot least the smallest refine and the smallest uncommon should be 5 and common 10 rare should be 3 which should be on a timer so every 5th refine you get one. Chests in the store need to be halved in price as at the moment they cost far to much for what you get
mystic dock
- Fix refinery 2. Fix broken officers 3. Fix broken research 4. Fix broken ship upgrades 4. Fix broken economy 5. Notice all my points have the word ābrokenā
gentle goblet
@keen bobcat there's plenty of sources to get the extra RSS - raiding, mining, RSS tokens, dailies, events etc. the generators are a joke anyway, you'd have to wait days for each upgrade if you're relying on them as your only source of RSS
and yes #refinerysucks they should make it better
keen bobcat
@gentle goblet I'm not but this is the first game I've played where you are required to have more then your station/base makes and can hold. Like your warehouse holds 320k but you need 1.5mil to upgrade a building it should never be like that
gentle goblet
but your warehouse can contain infinite amounts... it's just the generators that stops working
keen bobcat
Your station can hold infinite amounts the generators stop working because the warehouse is full.these games are all the same you can produce an amount that your warehouse can hold but if you want more you need to raid/farm it but like I said this is the first one where costs are more then you can hold
gentle goblet
yeah so it's the generators that needs improving, but only if they also increase the speed by like x5 or x10 will it make any sense
nova sierra
@gentle goblet
Its not the generators, it's the cap of warehouses that stops receiving from the generators. The generators are working fine, because when your warehouse is below cap, all generators shows full and are ready to collect.
But to comment or reply on your question of yesterday, Random:
It's the same thing as above, the balance in this game is far from good. It's ok that higher levels can attack lower levels bases, the only way the lower levels can protect themself is by using shields and relocation tokens. Both of these are not easy to get. You only get 1 relocation token per day (not always) and 4 hour shield and 8 hour shield per day by doing dailies. If you want more you can buy it from alliance stores. If you are in a alliance that never win prices in event, well, then you have to buy packs or you are screwed. Bad balance.
With ships the balance is even more stupid, think that doesn't need explaination.
My suggestions would be:
- Give players more easy ways to get relocation tokens and shields. And it doesnt matter if high lvls can attack lower lvl bases.
- Mining ships with no cargo over protected limit should not be attackable.
gentle goblet
@nova sierra but increasing that limit is useless unless you increase the speed of the generators, otherwise you'd have to wait days for each of these upgrades, at which point you anyway going to go and get the RSS elsewhere, there were some suggestions to say e.g. have the generators continue working when warehouse is full but at a lower rate
for the other topic... I have over 50 1/4/8hrs shields, I didn't pay for any of them... it's true that you only get a 4hr & a 8hr from dailies but you don't always have to use them, only if you have excessive RSS, which is hardly an issue in the lower levels so they accumulate quite fast, I usually use up 2 8hrs and 2 4hrs per day so I guess at some point I will run out but that point is still far away, I don't think adding more shields to the game will change anything if players don't know how/when to use them.
for mining ships, most servers have ROE/EMK rules exactly for that, but I agree if they can be "forced" into the game it's probably a positive thing (as long as attacking a ship on a depleted mine is also possible š )
muted wedge
@delicate sentinel can send on a request to the devs to leave repair times as they are?! š¤· they are currently much more ideal for fun warring PvP gameplay that this game is intended for... whatās the point of a PvP game if you canāt mine/generate enough to keep your ships in the ring? (Boxing so to speak) thanks šš»
glass horizon
Current ship Khan repair timings has made the game much more enjoyable to play, going back to longer wait timings is a step in the wrong direction for the game, i think!
jolly meteor
It sure would be nice to have more officer events! I have 10 officers that can upgrade and be strengthened but wait for the officer events. Why are they so bloody rare?!?
nova sierra
@serene delta you donāt need to cope with bounty hunters for augment. I can send my BB solo and mine. No need to kill hunters if you know how.
delicate sentinel
@muted wedge Lower repair times gives a huge advantage to higher level players. Lower repair times by this much creates a huge unbalance
gentle goblet
@delicate sentinel more than the one that already exist? š
subtle briar
I think players would prefer the PVP range narrower than the slowing down of repairs.
muted wedge
Noted @delicate sentinel but the level imbalance is so bad already I think quicker repairs would at least be a universal wide leg up... I think I can speak on behalf of the community in saying Khan repair times and reverting to the +/-5 level PvP (atleast in the short term) would be more enjoyable gameplay... it would encourage people to get active with their ships, which is one of the funniest parts of the game... it would hinder mining further, but that is already broken and not much rewards for the time invested, so atleast the Ship PvP aspect getting better would help keep players around until the game economy can be rebalanced... we have to remember this is a mobile game and it needs to be easy to pick up, play and put down again if need be... lower ship repairs allows for you to do more with less time/rss which only a select few have bulk of either or that rare unicorn of a person who has both.... š¤£
bright sage
So is this shield not going up for 10 min ever going to be fixed?
vagrant orbit
@delicate sentinel I would like to say thank you š for changes in past month the events, prizes, scoring points for different level are improved. Quantity of uncommon you can earn is much higher than it was. Iām level 31 player play a long time but in the past months I see many good changes keep up good work!!!!
tepid robin
There is a basic problem with alliances. While an entire alliance can attack a single player, when it comes to defence that player is effectively on their own. There needs to be a dynamic whereby alliances can help their members better particularly when their base is under assault
gentle goblet
@tepid robin other alliance members can help by attacking the ships and/or the bases of the players attacking
twilit slate
After maintenance - 4hrs to repair my cent and bortas, holy cow!!!
humble heath
rip repair timers...
tepid robin
Not everyone is around 24/7, regardless, with players at high level sitting there with 3 huge ships in dock while they hit a base with their fourth, and I try and stop that with a nicely powered North Star my base can be severely damaged with one hit from one of the other ships and mine does almost nothing to theirs. The power ration is too great. Sure, if a few people turn up with strong ships it's different, but I've seen one guy in a cluster of bases just taking massive hits while raiding 2 or 3 smaller bases at a time. It's just way too easy
haughty escarp
They should do automatic shields after maintenance instead of sending out a shield to everyone.
gentle goblet
why? I prefer to get the 1 day shield and keep it for whenever I really need it, then start a 4/8hrs just before the maintenance
lone briar
Perhaps before 'fixing' repair costs and speed, you should have done something about the exploit for alliance help button. Adding a cooldown and/or more penalties for leaving and rejoining alliances in quick succession, to make it fairer for those alliances who do not wish to cheat.
lone briar
It's a basic error, which is exploited for unfair gain. As with any bug, it should be fixed as all it ultimately does is create an even wider gap between some sets of players.
nova sierra
Lol, I overtook half the galaxy with that. We used it massively.
Guys not doing it are at 19, im 25
It is huuuuuuuge.
gentle goblet
ok so you're 25, what's your strongest ship?
gentle goblet
lol well mine was 220K at 24 š
I don't get the hype about leveling up faster š
nova sierra
Do it and you ll see.
gentle goblet
as long as they don't fix the refinery, it's pointless
nova sierra
Whatever, i kick all my colleagues's asses that dont do it
nova sierra
No, at 25 you hit a wall
Since everything costs UCs
But before that, pretty awesome
gentle goblet
well, I'm making my way through 25 and not hitting any walls...
but I rarely use speedups for buildings š
gentle goblet
hrm not 3 days, but yes, and that was my point...
nova sierra
Research is mostly 3 days
gentle goblet
so if I were to hop around getting more help I would be as stuck as you are lol
I have both primes
gentle goblet
well how did you go past 20?
nova sierra
U mean the unc 2 barrier?
gentle goblet
yep
nova sierra
Like everyone else...waiting
gentle goblet
lol see I didn't have to wait š
nova sierra
But after that, its a german Autobahn
gentle goblet
never had more than couple of minutes of not being upgrading some building
nova sierra
I didnt wait much, i knew what was needed earlier
Oh, i never stopped upgrading anything ever
gentle goblet
knowing what is needed is one thing, getting it through the refinery is another
nova sierra
While getting that, i upgraded other stuff
Ive never stopped upgrading, ever
C u, server is back on
random spear
Congrats u messed up repair times again
rare mortar
Yeah, the repair time event was great. I think that if they were kept almost as low as that regularly it would make the game far more enjoyable, because you didnāt have to wait hours for a ship to repair
weak sluice
@delicate sentinel yep. Repair times went from bad to bad. Nothing changed. My 0.02$, just implement your āKhan super repair crewā permanently and get it done. Stop trying something you are obviously unable to fix. Stop trying something complex while simple solutions are available (and proven from the last few weeks)
ornate hedge
This is a sick joke isn't it? You guys are not serious with these repair times?!
quick lava
Repair timesšššš©š©š©š©ā¹ļø
sage shuttle
@tepid nimbus @delicate sentinel the repair times suck compared to before the patch double the repair times sucks
ornate hedge
And crew abilities are not working either for me. Used to be able to crack 3-4 of these guys. Now I can barely crack one. So yas triple the repair time. And make it so we can only hit a third of the ships. GREAT patch work folks! Pat on the back. You should take the rest of the week off for a job well done!
nova sierra
Seeing abilities activated on my officers on all crews thus far.
EU, US, or Asia server?
what kind of abilities?
my sal killed way more lv38 kling battleships than before....
shadow compass
repair times are worst now then it was before the khan event <@&509691205798592532>
rough dagger
I've got 137% repair discount on my kehra at my current dock point. Yesterday with the khan bonus it took 50mins to fix. Today that same ship reported 2 hours 11 min to fix. That's 131minutes that's a 2.62Ć increase to repair timers.
Last I checked 260% is not equal to 40% please learn to math
ornate hedge
The battle log says that the abilities are being activated, but they are not actually being applied @nova sierra. I'll grab them for you once I am done doing the math on them to be sure. But what I do know for 100% certain is that I could hit 3 of those guys yesterday and any other day no issue. Four if Morale was activated every time, and now today, I can barely hit one. And I've been grinding those ships for a long long time.
nova sierra
Yet, let me know. I'm seeing my shields and stats up
Yeah... Iām not retyping that whole thing because I accidentally slipped an f word in. Not sure why I even bothered. Scopely doesnāt care anyway. If they did, theyād have fixed it over a year ago
But rest assured... I will NEVER spend another nickel on this game until itās actually worth it, and will be seeking seeking refunds or disputing every penny I have spent. Iāve been hovering on the edge of deleting for a couple months now, and this just pushed me even closer...
rough dagger
So conclusively NOT applying ANY repair discounts STILL as 70 minutes withers buffs applied works out to oh look about 2h 11 min
unborn adder
Havenāt seen the May pack come up. This is a great idea. Needs to continue. Would like it to continue. Did notice the Daily Packs but havenāt seen a way to get get the chip
nova sierra
@rough dagger You canāt compare yesterday to today because they had a special event going for the last couple of weeks to give a super good repair times
this guy ā¬ gets it
My mayflower repair times are 1 hr better than they were before the event. 4h30min before the event... 3h30min now
storm hornet
<@&509690795536941056> thank you for the improved repair costs! It still costs a fortune to repair my Sally but it's much better than before! š
Please look at repair speeds. With the Khan repair event it was taking 1h 45m to repair the Sally, now it's taking 5h
Even 1h 45m was INSANE, this is a MOBILE GAME people.
**5h? Dafuq do you think I'm paying you for? To stare at the screen and not be able to do anything?
FIX THIS.**
Thank you.
nova sierra
@storm hornet many PVP mobile games often make you wait even days for things to happen
2hrs is nothing
My costs are down too from 250k to 100k trit for repairs
storm hornet
@nova sierra I understand making f2p players wait, that's fine. But if people are paying for the game, no waiting should be needed. At 5h per repair it's going to cost a FORTUNE in speedups every month, it's just wrong.
nova sierra
@storm hornet What do you have that takes five hours to repair after your bonuses kick in?
storm hornet
I'm level 33, Drydock level 32, research all maxed out at 32, Tier 7 Saladin, takes 5 hours to repair.
ornate hedge
I went through the math @nova sierra and it does add up correctly. But it still doesn't give an answer as to why i can only hit 1 of those ships today, when for the last several weeks I could hit 3 and 4 times the amount. Even hitting lower level ships I am receiving much more damage than I was before. So I can't see anything as to why it is the way it is today. Something definitely changed and I am cringing at what is going to happen later on when I actually go and hit faction ships to complete my dailies. This is going to be really interesting.
still mason
@nova sierra your right 2 hours is nothing, and so is a pineapple mailed to support with the note "For your back door"
storm hornet
@nova sierra agree that today my Sally is taking A LOT MORE DAMAGE than it did before.
Scopely screwed something up, an undocumented feature has been released.
So I take a lot more damage, and it takes 3x as long to repair.
Amazing update, really.
nova sierra
Yep my Saladin is garbage today
The repair times are just back to what they were. The repair costs are WAY down.
It is being chewed up like crazy by hostiles
Used to cost me 1.2m or so now it is 220k
storm hornet
The cost is better, agreed.
storm hornet
The durability decrease combined with the repair time increase is a major slap in the face.
nova sierra
Farmed the same number
Donāt know what they did but they need to fix itā¦ My saladin is almost useless now for grinding
ornate hedge
So you guys are noticing it as well @nova sierra and @storm hornet ?
storm hornet
Yes. Hull damage significantly higher than it was before.
nova sierra
This sounds silly. But, I have seen caching cause issues.
I was able to kill about 25 level 36 hostiles with that yesterday and today I can only kill five
Yeah, I am not seeing anything like that right now.
I'll report it of course
ornate hedge
I cleared my cache already. First thing I tried.
ornate hedge
I guess Canada is on the US server?
storm hornet
I haven't tried clearing anything. I'll try it.
nova sierra
And there is the problem Iāve lost 10 K Dodge
They mucked with the defense stats
Hmmm, wonder if we are seeing issues with the research tree then
Which is why I am not seeing it
Tier or research
Mine is maxed and research tree is maxed
So I may just be blind to it
If you can show me a before/after of dodge
That would help
storm hornet
Mine is maxed to level 32, I definitely got a nerf
nova sierra
I went from 35k dodge to 25k
ornate hedge
My research for Interceptors and Faction is maxed for lvl 33.
nova sierra
What tier saladin?
ornate hedge
Tier 5
storm hornet
Mine is Tier 7
storm hornet
My power dropped 13k
nova sierra
OK
Yep power down too
OK, now that makes more sense.
They should just put the game back the way it was in the days of the founder server LOL
OK, so something happened to the middle tiers
That was a much more entertaining version of the game
ornate hedge
I am seeing a drop too, but I can;t tell how much exactly. I only can tell because I've been close to upgrading the Impulse engine and it would bump my Saladin to like 498k or so when it is docked. Today it is registering as 494k with the upgrade.
nova sierra
They somehow mucked with dodge
OK, I'm talking to someone.
Give me some time.
T9 is unaffected
Which is why I didn't experience it
ornate hedge
Grinding faction ships is gonna suuuuuuuuck today! š
nova sierra
My values are the same
Must have done something with the middle tiers
Going from killing 25 hostiles before repairing to 5 is crazy.
Yeah, that is surprising even for a 10k dodge drop
Piercing didn't change?
Armor piercing
storm hornet
Unfortunately I don't have screenshots of the stats before the update...
I just know it feels a lot more squishy than it did before
And power dropped 13k
I think I too lost roughly 10k dodge
From 49k down to 39k
Not sure what else changed
ornate hedge
I had screenshots of the Saladin stats. I am searching for them now. I was comparing it to the Gladius. I will see if I can find them.
storm hornet
(Numbers aren't my thing, I get confused with numbers, but it definitely feels more fragile than before)
nova sierra
Yeah, I'm curious. Well, if the numbers are going down that far in terms of kills it means it is going more rounds which points to damage output and mitigation. Dodge being a factor of keeping hull health up. BUt 10k shouldn't cause that big of a drop.
Mine is way downā¦it was 50 some odd percent yesterday
44.8% is absurdly low
It was 50% yesterday you say?
OK so armor pierce would also be factor
I was 1 round killing 36s yesterday. Now it takes 3 rounds
OK, that is painting a clearer picture
I should know betterā¦ Usually before each patch I take screenshots of everythingā¦ But I just forgot to do it yesterday LOL
Iām not kidding I usually take about 50 screenshots before each patch because I donāt trust what theyāre going to do
Hoping someone has one. My power didn't change so I think my tier is unaffected.
But middle tiers are
Probably a problem in the research trees
Something for mayflower people to celebrate
gentle goblet
FWIW my T6 Kehra is still the same power lol
nova sierra
Iām not maxed
Yeah, if the Kehra didn't change then it isn't research tree.
Which means it'd be related to the ship itself
ornate hedge
The only pictures I have on this phone are of Sally at Tier 1 and 4. But I have done massive Interceptor research upgrades since then, so I can't compare the numbers. Like in my screenshots dodge is 19k for a Tier1 in my picture, but looking in game it says 20k. Which would have happened from me doing the research of course. I don't have any of my ship at it's current level and prior to doing the research.
nova sierra
Well, regardless. Code changes are code changes. Should be able to track it down regardless
ornate hedge
Would have been nice though if I had a screenshot to at least give them a starting point to look at.
nova sierra
Are your engines upgraded on your T5 or no?
@nova sierra something up with repair. Normally you get a time, click repair , pay the costs, then your bonuses kick in and you get a new repair time before asking alliance help
Thereās no more reductionā¦ So my bonuses are not kicking inā¦ Theyāre the same before and after I click the button
Iāll go suicide my ship and get SSs
ornate hedge
nova sierra
@nova sierra @storm hornet Can you two PM your player ids. Going to forward it to a dev to review combat logs
cosmic pagoda
@nova sierra who do I @. Notify on this server to be heard?
This event is killing me. The cost of completion is astronomical compared to mediocre rewards... Do what you did with the separatist. Easy goals, plenty of time, great rewards.
#screamingintothevoid
nova sierra
@cosmic pagoda panic, gala, moderators
@ mention them
@cosmic pagoda Why are you having problems completing it?
nova sierra
@cosmic pagoda Well that should be better after todayā¦ Your repair cost should be down
Before patch 250k trit to repair my Saladin. Now 72k
But still you canāt even mine 72K trit
Repair costs should be something you can reasonably mine with your miner
ornate hedge
@nova sierra or @storm hornet if one of you wouldn't mind tagging me when you hear something regarding the Saladin, that would be appreciated.
cosmic pagoda
I'll give it a look. Thanks big homie. š§
nova sierra
@cosmic pagoda I am very happy repair costs are downā¦ But still if I have to repair 4 ships in one dayā¦ Thatās still over 350,000 titaniumā¦ And thereās no way to mine that at all
@nova sierra bugged repair times. They actually go UP 3 mins when I click repair
No bonuses are kicking in when repair is clicked
3h34m to 3h37m for my Saladin lol
@delicate sentinel repair times bugged see above.
Yeah, we've seen some reports of that. Believe they tracked it down
Devs are going to pull your combat logs and compare today and yesterday
Prime repair and dock bonuses arenāt kicking in I think.
Should get an answer today or tomorrow
Ok
gentle goblet
@nova sierra how much trit do you get from the events at your level?
gentle goblet
with the cost reduction repairing the ships for me is lower on RSS than the RSS I gain from the event
storm hornet
Sweet, thx @nova sierra
nova sierra
I get nearly 1M trit for completing the solo event.
And with the new costs, Iām spending on,y 150k to complete it
So net gain
But at lvl 32, I only need to kill 25 ships
Lower-level people donāt have it so easy where they a have to kill a couple hundred
gentle goblet
well at 25 I need to kill 125 lvl 28s which is still less than repair costs
raven fossil
Repair times absolutely ridiculous. Just gives people an hour or so to leave game.
nova sierra
Granted thatās me using an interceptor. Non interceptor ships get torn up by hostiles
Yeah, because interceptors have one big hay maker and then drop off
gentle goblet
I wish I could get away with killing 25 ships lol, 125 is time consuming
nova sierra
Makes it great for hostiles
Interceptors have always been the king at hostile farming
Explorers are the worst. All shield. No hull. And they die from shield bleed through alone
With the mayflower the worst Iāve seen of the explorer class (I wish the devs would fix that ship)
gentle goblet
I'm using a Kumari...
gaunt osprey
The grind from ops 24 to 25 is rough, and the requirements are not well communicated. The Kumari is also blocked behind shipyard 24, which for whatever reason requires all vaults upgraded to 24, and they in turn require generators A & B at 24. Those buildings are pretty worthless on their own so I've let them sit at lower level, now the grind is taking forever. The req also makes no sense, why does shipyard need vault when I have to pay upfront for ship construction anyway?
cosmic pagoda
Ops 24 I need 125 reds, if they are all 28+ which they aren't. I can get about 10 per repair, on average I'm stuck killing 29's with my explorer. The Kehra is useless to me for a 28 enemy.
How does a 32 only need 25 enemies?!
vernal swan
@nova sierra any chance they can give everyone a reward chest with repair speed ups and cost offset until the new update on the App Store is available. Their fixes are not in place yet because the App Store does not have the update available. I just lost 1m trit and 7hrs Iām repair speed ups.
rough dagger
@nova sierra tall bear the heck you can't repair times were buffed 40 percent. Which meant my unbuffed time yesterday from full destruction was 70minutes(as you seem to need it the time to repair yesterday was 50minutes with khan 40per bonus). Today it's 131minutes.
nova sierra
@rough dagger theyve had a super repair event going for 2 to 3 weeks.
rough dagger
You aren't listening to me
nova sierra
Oh See what youāre saying and yes there is a repair a bug
Look in bug reporting. I submitted it
Buffs arenāt kicking in when repair is clicked
In fact repair time actually increases
When repair is clicked, dock & prime repair kicks in - they arenāt kicking in.
pale moon
@vernal swan two different things at the same time (relative) maintenance today was for the repair times. New client/app is for the changes to ship combat over mines and a few other things.
nova sierra
@vernal swan unfortunately those arenāt working properly
vernal swan
Yes. How I read the Reddit write up is that is requires the app update from the store
civic slate
AND they mean aboslutely zhit without the base numbers lmao
nova sierra
No App update as needed because all of this is controlled by the server
civic slate
the base values*
gentle goblet
@civic slate exactly that...
vernal swan
@civic slate those are state secrets
viral rose
@tepid nimbus @delicate sentinel
play 20 minutes and have to wait 40 minutes to repair the ship. Well done to you Scopeli, that's the way to lose players š
gentle goblet
for me the repair times of my Kumari is pretty much identical to before the Kahn event
vernal swan
Ships are repairing at the base value with no buffs research etc effects.
nova sierra
@vernal swan all a client update does is change values on the player side but donāt actually affect what the server is doing.
gentle goblet
even though allegedly my drydock buff doubled itself + some additional reseatch
pale moon
@vernal swan read the official announcement on discord. Broken out into two seperate pieces clearly stating the app update is later in the week and includes xyz etc
civic slate
@gentle goblet yes, RIGHT before the khan event, when they broke dry docks... these are still significantly higher than they were 6 weeks ago
storm hornet
@gentle goblet my Sally used to be 1h 45m, now it's 5h. Slight increase, wouldn't you say?
nova sierra
If the server is patched - thatās all that matters
vernal swan
Well the my dicked it up again then
civic slate
yes, well if you noticed @pale moon that the "disclaimer" that an app update is needed was NOT placed on the repair buffs update lol
gentle goblet
@storm hornet how much was it BEFORE the Kahn event?
storm hornet
I didn't have it before the Khan event so I can't say
What I can say is FUCK 5 HOURS
vernal swan
My D3 was 2.5 hrs ore Kahn. Now it is 4.5hrs
nova sierra
@storm hornet well Iāll give you an idea before the event mine was four hours
civic slate
mine appears to be up between 60-70% or so... over all... my kumari USED to be 1:30 min roughly, now it's 2:42
mayflower is up to 3 hours.
nova sierra
My mayflower was 3h30m before the khan event
But there is a repair bug they need to fix that should improve tines by like 30%
hasty furnace
Holy cow, seriously? 1 hour to repair my tier 1 Kehra? How is that even reasonable or fun?
storm hornet
I do want to reiterate -- the reduced repair costs are great! So thanks for that fix Scopely!
Now please fix the repair times because the current times are just a big š
white salmon
why in the heck was a single second of programming time spent on a non issue involving lazy rock sitters when base shields still do not work as intended? 5-10 minute protection shield does not work as intended? notifications of a base attack do not work as intended?
dusky bison
Don't forget about the new and improved IOS icon. Great addition to the game!
nova sierra
@storm hornet the intrepid is worse than Saladin lol. Try 6 hrs
Fixing the current repair bug might shave 1h off your time. The normal repair time for that Saladin of yours is roughly 3.5-4hrs
storm hornet
IMO that's still way too long
It's impossible to play the game at all without paying every time your ship explodes?
I understand a short wait so people are incentivized to pay -- I totally get that
But 5 HOURS !!
It's way too much. It should be like 10 MINUTES
with no helps available or something
nova sierra
@storm hornet what lvl are your docks ?
storm hornet
32 upgrading now to 33
nova sierra
Lol they will never do 10min
nova sierra
Itās partly because originally you were no t expected to have fed ships until lvl 35
Or the bigger ones at least
Thereās a repair fed ship research , but u canāt get it until lvl 35
storm hornet
Yeah well they kinda fucked that up by making it impossible to get anything at all without paying
nova sierra
šyep
storm hornet
So now that I've paid, I'm being screwed big time by 5 HOUR repair times?
It's like getting double screwed
nova sierra
I only have fed faction due to a bug and support refuses to fix it
Both my Klingon and Romulan factions are -2M
storm hornet
I've been focusing mainly on Fed since D4 is apparently trash
nova sierra
The d4 is the best ship in the game
The enterprise suffers from way too much shields and far too little hull. It has the same problems the mayflower does
The Romulan augur - too much hull, too little shields
silver jolt
<@&509691205798592532> <@&509690795536941056> Please pass a message along to the Devs since you have removed the function of the @Devs tag. Parts with prerequistites such as "[insert grade] plutonium" should have a secondary eligibility to access the part.
For example, Common Plutonium requires level 20 to access the part from the Augment Store. I feel that if a player's strength is within 5% of the average level 20 player's strength, they should be eligible to receive the plutonium as well. ( SUM( level 20 Strength ) * 95% ) / COUNT( level 20 ) )
To demonstrate I will use the current strength of all level 20s in my alliance as an example. Current average = 495,285 (max = 557,913 ; min = 437,826 ; number of level 20 = 9). If a players strength is equal to or greater than 470,521 they would be eligible as well.
@here does anyone else agree with my assessment? ^^^
nova sierra
how can one scuttle a game in this way? Increased repair time, disproportionately, destruction of gameplay ... edit a twisted table to see a huge loss of ergonomics and fun ... if kill the game is your goal, continue, it's good left
hasty tusk
What a wonderfull change to repair times. It was my dream to increase it 12x. It was about 2 minutes, it is more than 25 - thanks.
silver jolt
The repair times were high prior to the Augment events. Scopely made it clear that the repair speeds during the event were temporary. If you do the math, repair speeds are actually faster than they were prior to the upgrade that introduced the Augment faction.
stoic lynx
@silver jolt you are completely incorrect repairs that took 1 hour before Khan went up to 2 hours with the Kahn fix ... recieved a 30% buff taking it down to 55 hours, which by the way is much larger reduction than 30%, now at 2 hours 25 minutes. The numbers don't lie only Skopley does.
dawn pilot
Guys the extended repair times are killing the game especially as itās a mobile game.
hasty tusk
@stoic lynx Skopley doesnt lie, they do their own math...
@silver jolt I donāt know what times was before event. Now it takes too much time.
silver jolt
@stoic lynx I can't speak to the numbers that you are using as I don't know how accurate you memory is of the repair times prior to the event. However, the repairs on my ships seem to be fairly close to the numbers which scopely has used to explain the difference. The only reason I can not tell you that they are perfect is because all of my ships have leveled up since the augment patch.
lusty rune
Put back the repair times
hasty tusk
Nice. Now I apreciate my repair times - no more than 30 mins.
cold osprey
@delicate sentinel check the sceeen shots and tell me how it supposedly fixed.
silver jolt
Perhaps my repair times are shoing the new adjustment and other's aren't?
hasty tusk
What if game was designed as idle game? Just keep your device running.
silver jolt
My Jelly repair time was ~45 minutes before the augment events. Now it is ~55 minutes and I have tiered up 2x since then.
solemn coral
you are all simply impatient as hell
to kinda quote a dev: go try some asian rpg where you need months to level up
tiering up does not affect repair speed, the higher level of ship, the more repair time
hasty tusk
Not really. This is why I didnāt removed game yet.
solemn coral
only upgrading the docks or doing specific research will change those times to become less
also some officer skills within the augments I think
silver jolt
There are more officers than just Augments that give repair speed bonuses lol.
solemn coral
not you personally @hasty tusk in this case, but lets face it, people put so much money in this game that they advance too fast compared to the rest, and they are lucky this game has bad pvp levels allowing them to have some food left, if the brackets where tighter, they would starve, get bored, complain and ragequit
whilst they put themselve into this situation
gentle goblet
@solemn coral can you/they advertise the base repair rates/costs per ship/maxed tier ?
solemn coral
did you check hivemind ?
silver jolt
They have posted all of the information in the release notes.
solemn coral
not sure if there would be something like a repair cost/time calculator
gentle goblet
@silver jolt they haven't advertised the base values... @solemn coral it's not there, also it would be hard for any player to get base values cause everyone does research, upgrade drydocks etc.
solemn coral
hence why you'd need some calculator
where you define the parameters applying to you
gentle goblet
yeah but I can do the math if I have the base values lol
silver jolt
You're right. The base values are not listed.
solemn coral
you have the percentages of increase
do reverse math, assume speedup's due to research are increases on the base value
not on eventual outcomes
gentle goblet
but that's assuming the buffs are applied correctly, which is what everyone is now complaining about š
lusty crystal
Then explain why when you click the repair button, your repair timer goes UP. Broken
solemn coral
@lusty crystal don't pin me on this, but I think the math in the client differs from the math in the server, and the time you receive on perform is the one the server returns
it would be the only logic explanation
oh, and about base values, arent those in the ship descriptions in the hangar when you could build a new one ?
the only base value remaining you need to figure out is the hp/sec
gentle goblet
not the repair time/cost
solemn coral
build a new ship, don't up it, trash it, repair, see costs for full repair, divide by hull strength
since shield should not matter, as it is generated, so does not require material to repair
gentle goblet
but hull isn't the only thing getting fixed is it?
solemn coral
you mean guns ?
gentle goblet
so if I upgrade a weapon, repair costs increase
solemn coral
did you check ?
gentle goblet
I assume same for every component but didn't check it
plus, again it won't be base value cause buffs will be applied
solemn coral
you would do it on a test account
gentle goblet
but a test account won't have access to higher level ships
lusty crystal
So now I have to check scopely's math by violating their TOS?
Isn't that what developers and QA are for? Oh wait...
topaz frigate
Hey scopely @delicate sentinel everytime when I contact support I get a reply that is not or nearly not related to my incident. Is there anyone able to read?
Happened 5 times a row
stoic lynx
So here is the issue and this is an ongoing issue, there is no transparency. I have seen it personally when my shield drops early, I am offline but they said I attacked someone. Mysteriously my only indicator the, the battle logs for the time frame in question is missing and the only "logs" ore visable only to Skopley.
In fact most of the important logs i.e loot gathered, resources paid, shield applied, shield duration, shield expiration, shield dropped attack, history of support tickets etc. are not available to the players.
This particular instance is like the store that has a shirt for $10 on sale then the put it on sale for a limited time for 30% off $5.50 (Skopley math) then it returns to it's original sales price of $10.50. There are no logs available, no base price (repair cost/time), just Skopley saying it is better now.
wanton tangle
Well I can only agree @stoic lynx But thank god they have clear texts in Prime stuff sometimes which simply say +100% boost. I talked to a lawyer few days ago and the math is simply. make screenshots, buy the pack and request the result. If not all boughts are questioned.
And that is exactly what I am doing now. I spent a 4-digit number just for fun and I am mad of proofing to support with screenshot my issue š¦
fringe stump
I need help
mossy gust
Community: Guys, the iOS client is horrible. Crashes all the time.
Scopely: The iOS instability issues are our number 1 priority.
Months pass
Scopely: Great news iOS users; improved icon quality is on the way!
fringe stump
Trying to change an email that's linked to my game
leaden herald
Is the ship repair time bug fix coming out with the client update? Cost efficiency kicked in awesome! But the repair time seems like it has doubled pre Khan's Repair event
visual anvil
Repair times are ridiculous
quartz steppe
We donāt fix bugs we make new bugs to play with the old bugs.
sharp onyx
@delicate sentinel please reduce repair times
gaunt lagoon
Ya this is ridiculous. Doing anything will take way too long to be worth anything.
craggy egret
I see what happened here. They gave us a repair buff because the repair times were broken, then extended the buff, and extended the buff, and extended the buff till everyone forgot what the original repair times were, then just cancelled the buff and claimed it was fixed.
subtle briar
The first hit is always free.
craggy egret
Current state of game: attack one ship, recall, put down game for 1 hour or more while ship repairs.
A marginally playable game has now become almost unplayable. well done.
wicked jetty
the repair times are definitely lower now than they were when they got broken
they are in line with how it was prior to the break š
craggy egret
Not acccording to many folks. We're all experiencing double the pre-broken repair times.
wicked jetty
dunno what to say, mine are where they should be for kumari, horizon, northstar
havent tried an envoy yet
craggy egret
Reddit is awash with folks claiming ridiculous times.
wicked jetty
well my envoy is a minute longer
craggy egret
Pre Kahn my longest repair time on a maxed out ship was 40 minutes, it's now well over 1 hour 20 minutes.
wicked jetty
which ship
wicked jetty
my envoy is 18m... ops 27 no prime repair speed, max drydock for level
teir 7 fully leveld
its been in that time range since... ops 24 i think?
craggy egret
tier 7 ops 21, max drydock 1hr 24 minutes. was 40 minutes exactly yesterday.
wicked jetty
ive literally never had an envoy take over 20 mins to repair except maybe when it was broken before kahns repair
this makes my head hurt
craggy egret
really? I've never had it take under 20 minutes except when it was at tier 1 with no upgrades.
wicked jetty
really
how are your repair speed researches?
because i know part of the bug was those were affecting survey ships
so idk if their fix was to just let them keep affecting surveys
craggy egret
yup, tier 2 no upgrades was 21 minutes, t3 was 28 minutes, t4 was 31 minutes, t5 was 35 minutes, t6 was 38 minutes, t7 was 40 minutes.
all researches maxed
about to start the timer to 22
My Envoy gets smashed so regularly i'm VERY aware of the repair times.
craggy egret
seems to be pretty widespread, I have no idea.
craggy egret
Reddit has been blowing up about it, lots of people quitting. server was like a ghost town this morning and most of the day, lots of folks might not come back
wicked jetty
also, US, EU, or APAC?
craggy egret
i'm hesitant to send mine out to get destroyed again, it's so expensive and time consuming to fix.
wicked jetty
thats fair
craggy egret
22k trit and 4k dilithium
wicked jetty
no the rares are 4*, only way to get them right now is the shop
craggy egret
that'sthe only way to get ANY of the rares really
refinery output seems to get cut in half with every update.
exotic tundra
My envoy repair has not been under 20 for a long time. Also level 27. Everything is maxed out.
My Kumari before it broke used to be a 1.5 hr repair. During the khan events it was 58 min, now itās over 2 hours
craggy egret
Yeah I just did what a lot of other people are doing, put down the game for an hour and do something else. not even bothering to shield, no one's raiding bases because it's too expensive to repair the battering ram ship.
exotic tundra
Iāve also noticed that the alliance help is not really making a dent in anything
craggy egret
Only folks even playing right now are the whales.
alliance helps are helping with the repairs, but because the times are so large now it doesn't look like much.
exotic tundra
People are still playing on my server, but rss are dwindling from all the repairs
My alliance help used to be able to cut about an hour off. Now maybe a few min
wicked jetty
my kumari costs less to repair now than it ever has, was 110k trit before they broke, 127k during kahn, 68k now
<@&509691205798592532> can you ask devs to look into this discrepancy between servers/players?
craggy egret
lots of free mining nodes everywhere, people either can't repair, or just gave up. The usual jerks are still going around killing all the miners everywhere though, probably having a great laugh of it now too.
exotic tundra
But what about your repair times? Has the times gone up? Or down?
clever verge
Mine is double pre break again
wicked jetty
repair time on the kumari is a bit higher than pre break, but ive done some upgrades to it
repair time on my envoy which was maxed before and after is 1 minute higher
my northstar is a little higher but again, done some upgrades
horizon is the same
got this from a friend on my server
his envoy, drydock 23, also teir 7
exotic tundra
I still donāt know how you have a 20 min repair on envoy. Shocked right now.
My envoy has been over 40 min repair times for a long long time now.
wicked jetty
also no prime repairs
exotic tundra
Me neither
craggy egret
I know right?!
exotic tundra
Right @craggy egret
@wicked jetty are you using any special officers that helps to decrease repair times?
craggy egret
my jellyfish is pushing 40 minutes only about half damaged as well
wicked jetty
so that means my kumari is probably closer to actual time than i thought
i mean dont get me wrong people on my server arent happy about the longer repairs
but the times were seeing line up with what would be expected
server 15
you guys are definitely seeing longer times than we are
craggy egret
we expected it to be longer because the buff was being removed, but we didn't expect 2x longer than pre-broke.
exotic tundra
Hmmm....I just killed my envoy to check, and my new repair time is 19 min. Wow Iām flabbergasted
wicked jetty
yea @craggy egret thats what i mean, everyone ive seen posting repair times on my server its lining up pretty close to pre break numbers
craggy egret
I really don't want to suicide it to check, but i know it was over an hour all day, i'd set it out, it'd get smashed within 5 minutes, i'd wait 2 hours to send it out again
not really a big deal for me, makes me actually put the game down to go do others things. I got some gardening done today š
ebon thistle
my valhk went from 40mins to an hour and 30 mins , so i think im done giving money to this game
arctic shore
#fuckrepairtimes
nova sierra
Why is scopley not responding to my issues!!!
nova sierra
The 10 min peace shield is useless. Do not rely on it. Also Dont whale resources, and you wont get attacked. If you need to, use the proper shields.
nova sierra
@upbeat nova they know there is still a repair bug. It was documented about 16 hrs ago
@upbeat nova they only know the bug exists. They probably havenāt found the cause. The moderators reported that the devs were aware of it.
When you click repair, the time increases a few minutes
When you click repair, your buffs should kick in and drop the time a bit and thatās not happening
It may take a few days to a week to fix
All depends on how fast they can find the cause
Who knows. They didnāt say. I donāt think they need to compensate us because they gave us that super repair event for 2+ weeks. Everyone should have a ton of them saved up by now
Repair times you have now are pretty close to what youāre going to be. Once the current bug is fixed, you may get a 30min reduction on a 3 or 4 hr repair.
My current repair times are pretty close to what they were before the repair event. Maybe about 20% more.
So once thatās fixed, our repair times should be what they were prior to the repair event
wheat oak
@upbeat nova Repair times are slightly higher for me too, compared to pre-bug BUT repair costs have reduced massively (close to an order of magnitude) and that makes me a lot happier
nova sierra
Ummm hey Scopely, fix the repair times please. The game has become unplayable.
nova sierra
@all Community Managers: i dont know what you are doing at scopely but as for me, i am a programmer too. And I know how things are done right. Well you dont do. So is it just that your people are unable to recognize bugs because things are tested superficial? Or is it full purpose that you annoy your players with EVERY update you do? Let me tell you, if my programs are that bugged like STFC is, i would have been fired years ago. You always state that your players are important for you and that you care about everyone and everything. Well, its nothing more than talking. To the public you appear correct and caring but be honest, behind you give a hack about us as long as the $ is rolling. Shame on you. Here are some suggestions what you could actually do to save the game. Its gonna be dead in a few weeks if you continue. 1) Reduce Repair Times to what they were. 2) Leave repair costs as they are now. 3) Reduce the refinary cooldown to 6h. 4) Introduce an overview about the researched buffs and their current values so that we can better check, if something isnt workling properly. 5) Increase the mining rates for Dilithium by minimum 100%. 6) Reduce the costs of ultra packages from 100ā¬ to 50ā¬ or increase the amout of uncommon and rare mats that you get for 100ā¬. Its almost theft what you get for 100ā¬ now. 7) DO SOMETHING RIGHT!
gentle goblet
@upbeat nova the problem with the "before" times is that they were incorrect because you got buffs applied which shouldn't, so I think the 100% vs. what it was before comes to compensate on that
so say you had drydock 29 + maxed out all your repair research you would get 37%+50%+50%+50% applied to each repair, even though you should have only got 37%+50%
now after the fix you get 85%+75% which still leaves you a bit short
or in your case 100%+75% since you upgraded the drydock
well it was just an example, primes are 100% before and after so it doesn't make a difference
but the point is that even with the drydock upgrade you're still a bit short with how it was calculated before, assuming you indeed have all the repair research maxed out before
before 37+50+50+50 = 187%
after 100+75 = 175%
that is if I understand correctly the original bug
they should have obviously buffed up the percentage so we don't get short, but...
well with the prime you should get 100+100+75 which is 275%
ohh sorry 100+100+50+75...
so 325
I missed that research š
but I'm assuming it remained at 50% before and after
well unless you know the base repair time, how do you know you're not getting the bonus?
well I forgot the 50% on the 187 as well
so before it was 337%, now it's 325%
well seems like it, they should have buffed the percentage even higher to keep the old numbers
if you check their table, the increase isn't the same in all research levels so who knows how they came up with the numbers
level 1 is 3% to 4% -> 33% increase
level 2 is 5% to 8% -> 60% increase
and well, so on
level 8 is 50% to 75% -> 50%
and same for drydocks on some levels, now there's an increase in lvl 27 for example which didn't exist before
so level 26 increased from 37% to 75%, but level 27 is increased from 37% to 85% š¤·
I'm guessing for some levels of dry-docks/research people might have shorter repair times
median jungle
I am not seeing ANY benefit from all the research I've done to improve repair costs (I'm level 22 and completed all of my research). You make it look like you are improving repair times, but they are MUCH WORSE! 2 days ago it took 8 minutes to repair an envoy, it now takes over 20 minutes. I am not seeing any buffs kick in from my research. I'm extremely disappointed.
sage shuttle
@median jungle its a cash grab notice the pack with all the speed ups they did this deliberatly
wheat oak
@median jungle the repairs times due to that "Kahn mega repair boost" cut times to about 1/3 of what they were before it was introduced..
I'm seeing 15-20' more repair time on a 3hrs ship
chrome thorn
Can we change servers yet?
fathom copper
All the old faction missions are so poorly balanced, they demand insane strong ships and give worthless loot. @delicate sentinel will those missions be reworked?
wheat oak
@chrome thorn Nope
vagrant orbit
@delicate sentinel really?? Cannot be set at 240 ?? Loyalty means i Play and i play
chrome thorn
@wheat oak Thanks for the update.
digital oar
Has anyone seen any plans or talks about Gladius buff?
jovial canyon
@delicate sentinel can we put up how much power u gonna get for research and building upgrade. Easier to assess for dailies.
gentle ore
So, 8 more months to go.
It doesnt make me feel very appreciated to be honest
gentle goblet
maybe they make a carol event, or add her to some of the normal events
digital oar
Imagine how it feels to be single faction Francesco and all research requires grade 3 material
Good luck getting it without spending $$$$
smoky marsh
@delicate sentinel @rigid vapor Suggestion for Quests that need to have resources Donated. Let us donate whatever we have at the current time. I have a quest right now that wants 1.8m Dilithium..... I have 43k. let me donate that 43k so that it is accumulative towards the goal... That and drop the dang donation requirements by 1-2 decimal places please... How about 180k instead of 1.8m... Same goes for the mining quests. Thanks
gentle goblet
@smoky marsh those missions are a ripoff anyway as the awards are much less than what you donate
otherwise if you really want to do them wait until you level up and start getting millions from combat training missions
the problem is also that you can pick up missions way too early in the game which you can't complete until much later
torn wadi
@gentle goblet Carol "Event " will be $100 packs with 20 chards each
gentle goblet
lol I guess we wait and see
there's a bunch of officers anyway which there's no way of getting shards for
gaunt osprey
20 shards? Khan was 10 for $100 and he needs 110, not 90
torn wadi
oh youre right sorry. 10 shards per $100, after 40 are given away for 4 months of loyalty
so 4 months and $500 for a level 1 officer, seems reasonable, right?
raven fossil
A little bit ago my peace shield disappeared with hours left. I did not attack anyone. What goes on. Is this another bug?
torn wadi
yes, acknowledged bug. happened to one of my guys yesterday i believe he is quitting game over it and going to google for full refund (he lost about 240 million resources).
This bug is SO acknowledged that support used to give people back everything they lost if they got raided due to it. They changed policies and do not return your resources anymore.
It has been happening at least for months.
smoky marsh
Ya the missions in general need an overhaul
Not enough of them we can do, or they dont make any sense. Wish we could also sort them
and group them by faction
nova sierra
Wait until you get the mission beneath the ice and have to pay a 4 million dilithium bribe to complete. Common scopely, how about reasonable mission costs, in line with mission rewards. Quality control your mission designs please
smoky marsh
whole missions system needs an overhaul content and common sense wise
keen meadow
surreal condor
That would go in my "ha, no" bucket to never be completed.
rigid flare
Lol
ashen magnet
wow, just wow; Mission: Crisis on Praxis
System: Azati(34) in Neutral Space
Planet: Azati Prime
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Rewards:
1M Parsteel
to complete that mission you are asked to donate 1.8m dil - Scopely's idea of a fair trade!
bold sentinel
It's just lazy that
timber sable
Heres one too 1.5M g3 ore for not even a days worth of dailies credit and an energy manifold which is a useless item. Literally has no use in the game
craggy egret
i just stopped doing missions once i hit 20. the costs outweigh the rewards of virtually every single one.
far too many missions have that exact same problem, they ask you to donate insane amounts of dilithium or tritanium and give you less than half that value in parsteel or some other virtually worthless thing. That's not a reward, it's extortion.
Missions aren't fun, they seem designed only to slow down our advancement.
keen plinth
gd Scopely. You got me to buy something. I wanted to buy the Elite pack for $100 that my alliance mates keep telling me about, but it never showed. Then I found out that I had to make a $4.99 purchase to make a $19.99 purchase to make a $49.99 purchase before I can even think about the $99.99 elite packs... YOU ARE EVIL! But you only got me as far as the Daily Rewards pack for $19.99 so all in $24.98 plus tax (Oklahoma is evil too). If you offered the Elite packs up front, people would buy them. Don't hide them. That's just bad marketing.
By the way, I've been playing since December so that's what you get for 6 months. Next December I'll think about how much progress you've made and consider an upgrade.
nova sierra
@keen plinth its a financial pyramid scheme. Its not a pack game. They positively discriminate against your spending levels and power level.
In the UK you could actually take them to court about this.
keen plinth
New client app is available in Google Store.
keen plinth
Sorry, that wasn't for Feedback
pale sand
@nova sierra would love to see that. You have my full support š
sacred elm
ship repair still broken
nova sierra
Yup
It's not broken that's how it is supposed to be, dont worry they introduced a repair pack in the store for.Ā£100
ornate hedge
@nova sierra or @storm hornet did either of you hear anything back regarding the Saladin changes that occurred? Just curious if there is any new information. Thanks.
nova sierra
@ornate hedge nothing
They ran your battle logs and didn't see any difference in hit rates between level 37 hostiles between each day. The dev pulled the logs and compared the two days. Also, unfortunately, none of the alliance mates on our server are seeing anything weakened or any change in stats. :/
ornate hedge
Lvl 38 is what's different for myself. I can send you my player ID if you want @nova sierra? As I am hitting them more and more, there are even frequent times that my saladin at full strength can't even beat one pve non-faction ship.
nova sierra
Yeah, please do.
The best thing I can do is gather evidence
The only thing I can think of is if crits aren't hitting like they used to.
ornate hedge
I was reading through a lot of the battle reports and I think you are onto something. Because I was randomly hitting lvl 38's and I would exit the battle like I should have been and the only common thing in all of them was that they had a critical hit.
civic slate
so have the ships critical hit chances decreased?
storm hornet
<@&509690795536941056> I love this change! I can see my rep! Thank you! š
civic slate
very nice.
nova sierra
We shouldnāt have to hit lv 35 for this. Faction ships already have absurdly long repair times
Feedback: this should unlock at lv 32
woeful gate
Yeah can confirm ship repair is still broken. 2hr10 for my tier 4 kumari then 2hr14 after I start to repair. I'm used to it going down a little before khan but not up...
civic slate
@woeful gate the disparity between the 2hr10 min and 2hr14min is a bug as related to the expected repair time. the 2hr14 we're beign told is the actual correct repair time. and actually, before khan, when it would go down, was the original bug. these are the true repair times.
nova sierra
Before khan event my intrepid was 3h45m. Now itās 5h50m
Oddly my Saladin as 3h45m before khan. Now 4h30
Now I understand those times were not intendedā¦ However players got used to them for six monthsā¦ So they shouldāve restored the times to what they were intended or not
And to be honest six hours to repair a ship is completely absurdā¦ No one is going to wait and sit around for six hours to use that ship again
asking players to burn up six hours worth of speedups is crazy
My intrepid is now retired until they fix this debacle and I wonāt spend a penny more until the base repair times are adjusted
gentle goblet
to be fair the longer repair times can get a bit itchy at times if I'm not busy at work etc. I usually give up like 1.5-2hrs into my 2h40 Kumari fix and speed it up
luckily, I have plenty of speedups to burn through
my wife's gonna love them though if it means I'm playing less š
woeful gate
@civic slate ok well perhaps they should now fix it to show true repair times then!
civic slate
@woeful gate I know there's an open ticket on it.
ashen magnet
@rigid vapor why did you slow down NS warp and increased NS repairing time? Did the NS make the game too much fun for players?
storm hornet
@ornate hedge @nova sierra when I reported the power drop on the Sally I think it was my mistake. Normally when the Sally is in station it shows a higher power than when it is undocked, however maybe that's not the case when it is repairing?
I think I must have just gotten really unlucky with combat RNG, took more damage than expected, then when repairing I saw my power number was lower than it should be and thought there was a problem.
Later in the day the power was being reported as the expected number again (ship was repaired though) and I did a ton of grinding, and the ship felt normal.
civic slate
@storm hornet are you confirming no loss of dodge with your saladin?
storm hornet
Normally I never let my ship sit unrepaired so I probably never noticed it for that reason. But since the repair times increased I was like WTF and then noticed lower power also.
@civic slate I do not know the exact dodge number from before the patch, but after grinding out about 50 repairs yesterday, it feels similar to before, so if there was any change it was minimal, but it seems OK.
civic slate
I like this. ship levels in battle reports now
storm hornet
FYI I've just confirmed that definitely the power level reported when the ship is in station is lower when the ship is repairing than it is when the ship is fully repaired. That was the source of my confusion.
nova sierra
Thanks @storm hornet . They reviewed the battle reports and it seems to confirm that.
civic slate
lmao @gentle goblet tells you how little i watched battle logs when all i hit are hostiles for the last 24 hours LMAO
dusky bison
After getting the client update, the daily goal pips issue, as well as incorrectly displayed pips on the Ships/Officers/Factions/Items menu is still broken.
civic slate
concur @dusky bison i see the same
strong shard
The game is also just in general laggier, can no longer scroll over stations and see the name/ops level unless almost fully zoomed in, increased load times. I don't care about the aesthetics of the game if the function suffers as a result.
flint cairn
with every update it gets worse and worse. When will the bugs be fixed?
sudden stag
They are features not bugs
gentle goblet
@flint cairn it's software, there will just be new bugs instead š
noble fulcrum
There shouldnāt be regressions like this
Iām a cloud and mobile app developer
And this is not how you release software
Who ever is running qa in Scopley is over their head
oblique nexus
qa = developers. We all know how good that can be.
noble fulcrum
This version was poorly tested
This is what you get when you outsource
They should beta test new builds to a select number of real players to make sure it works properly before release it to general public
weak sluice
@delicate sentinel <@&509690795536941056> Here my 0.02$. Iām not the only one saying that the repair times are screwed all across the board. My NS repair time went from 42 minutes (Fully dead to alive) in the Pre-Khan era to 1h16 minutes. Changing the crew to put Scotty as captain (to give that little repair bonus) has NO effect on the repair speeds. Iāve upgraded a ship dock about an hour ago, and there should be a small improvement on the repair time (As stated in the stats where we upgrade the docks) and there is NO changes in the repair times. So everything is screwed. Bonus, we are given a repair time of 1h13 for a ship, hit repair and then BOOM, 1h16. How come the repair time is LONGER.
Granted we were spoiled with the Khan repair crew. But NOBODY was complaining. Simple fix for a problem. Yet you start with getting shoddy updates for the game and get everybody frustrated at the repair times, and to players at ALL levels.
There is so many hurdles and barriers in this game (slow rss acquisition, poor refine rates, questionable prices on the packs) that you are also putting the pace of the game itself to a grind (i prefer a faster repair time to get ships going to battle, mine or just casually fly around) than waiting forever for repairs. But NO, in your less than stellar vision, you are implementing a convoluted and twisted method to repair bonus that in the end is worthless and make the game already hard to manage in some areas, definitely bad. Just wipe this whole useless repair buffs and fix it somewhere between the Pre-Khan upgrade and Khan repair crew bonus. Keep it simple.
civic slate
well said!
carmine jay
Sorry @weak sluice , but this is 1000000% a commercial decision. People will not pay Ā£100 for xM trit to repair their faction ship but they will spend all the lat they have spare to speed up. This is why this has happened.
People have too much lat and we need a sink, then to buy more lat when we run out
Scopely is a data company and we are the ones being mined.
weak sluice
@carmine jay Yeah. I agree. Likely a bunch of people that graduated from the Ferengi School of business. Clearly did not attend any classes on how to make people happy or properly code stuff.
carmine jay
This is not a game, its a money printing press that preys on addiction and fear of loss in a star trek skin.
Just do yourselves a favour and stop spending. Play the game for free and get what you can out of it.
torn wadi
@carmine jay Exactly, much more fun since i stopped spending. I still believe it is a poor economic decision by them, they are making most people not spend that would spend if they would stop blatantly screwing us
noble fulcrum
carmine jay
Btw, I spent thousands up until a month or so back, nothing since, and will not spend a penny more. Got the BB to T8 max for free and will get my moneys worth till they are shut down. But make no mistake, these lot are all about the $$
Great meme š
carmine jay
The sad fact is, they good too damn greedy
torn wadi
You think they even read this stuff? i really doubt it
carmine jay
Spending thousands should get you something worthwhile, like good refining rates, good repair times, and everyone should have a working product - notifications and shields for example.
Instead, they choose to fuck us for everything. Whereas the smart move wouldve been to at least bring us flowers every now and then.
It is very short sighted. They landed a lot of whales, and butchered them for lipstick whereas they shouldve given us a shot at seaworld š¬
woeful zinc
@carmine jay Flowers are expensive, especially if they are imported from China š¤£
carmine jay
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torn wadi
i think soon it will become obvious to them they are screwing themselves and things will start changing. They need to fire 500 of their 1000 bean counters and hire 500 coders to add to their staff of 1
and at least 1 customer service person to help the chat bot
carmine jay
The game is a massive commercial success, and they are all patting themselves on the back and putting it down to their analytics. What their analytics wont account for though is the emotional cost and with the last few triggers (augment, shields, repair times) they have broke stuff.
We have the top alliance on our server and win all prizes all the time, but 4 people have quit the last few days, thats more than the last 3 months.
Something is happening and they are ignoring it, just hope they do something before its too late. And its simple.
- Turn up refining
- Fix notifications
- Fix shield bugs
- Revert repair times / improve in line with cost reductions
Do that, and people will keep on spending
Donāt and its game over man, game over!
torn wadi
Im also top alliance on my server. one of our guys had the shield bug 2 days ago. think hes leaving
people are definitely starting to comtemplate leaving it in general
plush bay
@nova sierra any other insight on why Legionary is capped at tier 7 in terms of progression? Itās a pretty weak battleship at higher levels and I hear the Augur is as underwhelming.
torn wadi
When i run out of lat and speedups now that they have horribly broken repair times on all ships, wonder if i will even bother playing?
carmine jay
I play a lot, I have a lot of resources. The other day I was attacked with zero notification and zero shield. I had not been attacked for weeks. i was farming hostiles elsewhere. I got a notification after about the 5th attack. Im not a dumbass, or making this stuff up.
It .. doesnāt.. work...
In a very expensive base raiding game. Notifications and shields MUST work.
torn wadi
Absolutely true. Any notifications i have happened to get have been very delayed. Sometimes none at all and sometimes no auto shield. how much rss you have right now?
carmine jay
250 trit, 50 dil, 20 steel ish
torn wadi
im over a billion without tokens.
carmine jay
Nice
torn wadi
730m steel, so should be good there. trying to decide whether to start throwing uncommons at the buildings or hoard for kvort
uncommons are slow slow slow when youre counting on refinery and events
carmine jay
I do x3 refine option twice a day with 2x Horizon, Kvort and NS. Can just about sustain it
Horizons t5, kvort T3, NS max
torn wadi
i have not found 3x to be any better at all even a bit than 2x
carmine jay
I find it a lot better
Id say... 95% of the time no uncommon blanks
A lot of 3s, but no blanks
With x2, i find at least 1 or 2 blanks a day
And that just makes me too sad
And rAngry
torn wadi
kvort t4, horizon t5 (highest of the 3) , ns max. i can do the mining (sitting on a million crystal and about 500k of the other 2) so i can do the mining, maybe i will give 3x another shot
torn wadi
ill try it for a week again.
carmine jay
And am very slowly making progress
What level ops and refinery were u last time u did it?
torn wadi
probably 30 or 31 maybe
carmine jay
32 defo seemed better also
torn wadi
got a bit to go before i get refinery to level 32
maybe not if i give up on ships and start building
torn wadi
a normal one?
carmine jay
X3 normal, yep
Its rare but it happens. For the money spent I expect more
But....
Slow progress
32/32
torn wadi
OK guess i better do that. do you find any difference between ops32/refinery 31 and ops32/refinery32?