No only screwed if I continue to waste my money on a company who clearly doesnāt give a shit about its usersā¦ Even itās paying users
#š¬-general-feedback
rocky sinew
calm root
I did find that interesting that they made it more challenging/punished paying dudes and f2p dudes
rocky sinew
Same spent about $1400 so far...
kindred cloak
Chush, if you want a faction ship, then you need a minimum of level 27 to buy rare G3 in shop for upgrade these ships
zinc osprey
I don't know why I'm bothering playing right now
kindred cloak
and you have to be ready for the cost of repairing fractional ship and this is 100 thousand tritans
south zephyr
@nova sierra @nova sierra I thought the update would minimize and reduce the usage of uncommon materials? Instead, all my research, builds and ship upgrades cost a lot of uncommons each. With the uncommon drop rate so low and takes 10 hours between each refining, this would take a few weeks just to upgrade, build or research one item. Even buying $100 packs can only help with 2 or 3, but thatās about it. If Iām lucky, I get 3 uncommons every 24 hours, and I have research and builds asking for 120 uncommon grade 3 material.
zinc osprey
This company is the worse I've ever seen, and I've been playing videogames for 30 years
worn pebble
Basically the game design sucks š
kindred cloak
Game design good
Game economic sucks
calm root
Game mechanics have decent roots, but the $$$ infected it
weak sluice
The ongoing problem that would solve the ressources issue? This: 32x increase in power for a 2.7x increase in reward. Fix this and I think you will solve a huge issue.
indigo comet
Get to it
zinc osprey
That still does not fix pvo scalling, RSS scaling, mat randomness and drop rates, and on and on
Pvo*
Jesus, PvP*
indigo comet
Pve*
indigo comet
We have to suck it up tell they fix the bugs the game is still new
calm root
Bugs is one thing, core mechanics is another.
indigo comet
Trust me it sucks I'm grinding more trit then anything
calm root
It's possible they'll turn this boat around before it completely sinks, but they gotta work fast cuz they already lost a bunch in last release
calm root
There's a bunch of info like that ON the Hive
indigo comet
Word
calm root
Plenty of great info there. Here's a link to the channel if you want to join https://discord.gg/afpJ8NG
They have commands set up for like "where do I get blue prints" and stuff
indigo comet
Thx
calm root
My day in the game at the moment:
Open some chests for meh loot,
Refine for minimal return,
Recall miners back or send out if destroyed,
Set a timer until the lowest one will be full protected cargo (usually 2 to 4 hours on tritanium)
Leave game till timer goes off, and repeat.
Just gotta do this for 2 more months and I can upgrade my Kehdra from tier 1 to tier 2... though everything else is on pause for 2 months because I only have rss for one thing at a time, ship or station.
Is this working as intended?
(And when j say 2 months, I am speaking literally as I calculated how long each element of leveling up from tier 1 to 2 would take)
stiff siren
@calm root 2 ways to play, time or money. It's the same with any game I've ever played. Seems to be the prevailing intent.
calm root
Part of me wishes that they went the cosmetic route, but this game is pulling in like $50k a day so they're probably all laughing
stiff siren
My experience with this game in particular tho they may not respond to suggestions well they do make efforts to fix existing problems more so than other games.
valid bronze
They dont keep the community informed at all till the last minute which is bad especially in a new game like this that needs a lot of work
calm root
More transparency would be nice
valid bronze
Hell most of the time you dont even know if they are even listening. No status updates no agenda of what they are working on and what's to come. No idea what they think about certain topics. It's just plain horrible. Players get annoyed PO'd and leave cause it feels like the games a dead end right now
I have no problem paying money into a game but when there is so little communication and no insight on something this new and Scopely bad rep in the past I cant justify paying another cent to their pockets till something changes
Games like this are an investment of time and money down the road for some players.
calm root
Yeah true dat. I also hate when companies use the phrase "were listening" or whatever. It's like, dude if you were listening you wouldn't have updated in the same way
valid bronze
Hell lots of game developers now a days use YouTube and twitch to interact with their communities. I know it's not as common in the mobile gaming world which is understandable but some form of interaction is nice
fluid jewel
@stiff siren i can tell you are sub25. The amount of time and money required to progress beyond 25 or even 30 is off the charts. My grandchildren need to play the game to reach 50 or iād invest six figures. Itās absolutely ridiculous.
stiff siren
Last game I played I maxed out took me a whole year. We'll see where I'm at in 8 months.
rose sable
calm root
Loving the increased uncommon drop rate at level 20
rocky sinew
Lol
hasty plover
Poper Game Mechanics? Never heard of her.
copper girder
@nova sierra This game only work with an ever expanding player base that you can hit for resources or everyone will start leaving once they hit level 27-30 and the gap between mining and spending Parsteel becomes ridiculus. You can't pay your way past that if you are not spending several hundred per level and grinding it takes ages. PVP is not an option as there are simply not enough targets. So what is the fucking plan? See who gets first to 30 and then we all forget this game existed?
Mind you this game has potential, but the current economy setup and its heavy reliance on pvp is driving people away in frustration. On both ends! I am seeing it in my server.
dull elk
@Q2 congratulations on promoting in game bullies high lv now think they can do what they like and get away with and if one should contact and say anything they carry out threat because the game allows it I know of people that have left and others that will because of this I ve taken my kids off and I won't be far behind it needs sorting as is not very trekie
copper girder
This has nothing of Star Trek except for the graphics
Should have been called space pirates, because that is the only path of progression
nova sierra
They should add NPC bases or allow autocollect on player bases that haven't logged in for ages. This would generate bases with RSS to raid
@nova sierra @potent cipher @nova sierra this is An idea my alliance likes. Also, some sort of super BASE with loads of resources u need you cooperate against with ur alliance team mates
Leeching bases only gets u so far ... And the fat bases on my server are all bit gone
wooden grove
Need to massively increase warehouse capacity, base resource generation as you increase in lvl, mining nodes need to massively increase in rate at higher lvls, it then makes the economy for resources more fluid for all and would keep people playing..
nova sierra
Road to survival, Well known to @potent cipher , has bots to raid. They re copies of actual players but with different resources. Something simulator should ben possible here too
small harness
@potent cipher @nova sierra all game have auto battle and auto collect resource . Daily login VIP benefits and more.. This game have a lot of potential.
nova sierra
@copper girder totally agree with all you say
exotic elbow
Why isnāt there a server map
obsidian star
The bugs in this game are making it more and more frustrating for me. I regularly have to re-start the app to perform even simple functions. It seems quite clear to me that this game is not fit for purpose as they focus on new features without addressing core problems with the basic mechanics of the game. If this isn't resolved then I will be asking for a full refund! It's only a couple of hundred but I feel they should be paying me to test this game.
shrewd girder
So, posting that users can use an item (24 hour shield) given to them last week assumes that they haven't already used that item. How does this help them?
regal loom
@shrewd girder When the loyalty pack was announced the notice said that the chest includes the 24h shield expressly for the purpose of covering you during and coming out of server maintenance.
I think in general the lack of in game announcements compounds many problems like the one you highlight. Some text in the loyalty chest explaining Mondayās planned maintenance and the purpose of the 24h shield would have gone a long way.
placid prairie
I hear allot of crying about being raided first the game provides players with plenty of shielding options your base cannot be raided if your shielded. As for pvp yes they need a plan rss raiding only gets you to27-30 there just is not enough lvl20-25 players that can be raided the money people are willing to spend drys up between 27-30 as we donāt see the value in it IE if I spend xyz then what attacking red target just gets old. They will have to adjust this game soon or the money making part will crash as everybody in lvl20-30 tells the same story donāt waste your money to all the other players.
calm root
^ whale alert
Tho i agree with the latter half. Raiding isn't an effective or reliable way to build up rss. It's only foot to a certain level then there's not enough
calm root
#Balancetheeconomy
primal coral
Balance the hole game. Some upgrade in this game (lvl > 25) are so out of reach for player without paying, This is ridiculous.
Make me pay to gain speed in my progression OK.
FORCE me to pay to play, at those price even. Hell NO!
upper cairn
@primal coral[QCSP] lol thats exactly what I told support two months ago
I now need around 1 months refining 3* crystal to get lvl25 shipyard upgraded
or buy a pack, and thats just one building, let alone research and ship upgrades
cant do any missions, all I can do is dailies and raiding for alliance mates, as its pointless me taking anything, cant use it
nova sierra
@nova sierra @nova sierra I would like to raise awareness that the maturity of the early december servers is getting to a level where G3 materials are getting more and more needed, and the resource spots less and less available, as level 25-27 players are not really willing to progress ships due to way too expensive upgrades. It will lead to an issue where the power is quite unbalanced and all the lower levels (20-23) will suffer for getting killed constantly, and they canāt keep up repairing their ships. This will lead to another major quitting wave. I would say you have about 2-3 weeks to go, until the shit hits the fan.
analog ravine
@nova sierra @nova sierra Why is it that in order to get blueprints for the Horizon, I have to kill NPCs in PāJem? Shouldnāt there be a way for people going the Federation way to get them without attacking level 31+ in Klingon or Romulan space?
nova sierra
I noticed a lot of people using that ship that you overpowered to bust up everybody's bases congratulations first time in the server at don't see all the mining nodes being filled hell you killed off probably a hundred people with that update congrats
main herald
I have a bug where I don't see any message in galaxy chat, alliance chat, or private chat. I restart the app and I still can't see any message.
near lichen
@nova sierra
For the amount of resources needed to upgrade and repair. Their sure is not enough places to mine. And takes way to long to mine very little. That is if you're lucky enough not to get knocked off the node. If you pay to play you have to buy pre set packages that barely covers two builds. And the refine aspect very little in return for the amount of resources you use then you have to wait 10hrs to refine again. Then their is the new so called fix giving power to the pay to play people to farm your base. Really do not see this game lasting long. Sure people may play for a bit but then they will stop playing as soon as they get farmed a couple of times over and over already going on. Way to go scooply
nova sierra
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You need resources hardworking miners š¤ You shall buy them and pray to any gods you might have so anyone with few bucks more dropped in game wont steal them š
That's what they want, to depreeve peoples by resources, asking to complete various tasks where you have to consume even more for little or no rewards at all :-) all with propouse to make you to buy packs
remote rapids
Ok so you made 3 new ships starting at 26 for faction ships. 90% of your severs populations have not even reached 20+ yet you make new ships for coiners to go kill the little guy. I really don't know what you guys are thinking.
calm root
How are we supposed to unlock these ships?
remote rapids
Ohh any they already have known bugs by you which will be fixed in the next update yet you've failed to fix several other glaring bugs players have already pointed out. Its the maintenence update tomorrow
calm root
I want to level up to be able to build these ships, but as my name states that ain't gonna happen because I don't have enough rss
safe parcel
Whoopee, more bullshit for p2p players, there's what 5 players on our server that are 26. Waste of fuking space
main herald
@calm root One issue I foresee with future ship additions like this one relates to their obtainability (?). All non-faction ships with the exception of the North Star are unlocked with research in the R&D. The NS is the first non faction ship that had to be unlocked through events, paid packs, and missions. I think the devs need to rework the tech tree a bit to allow us to research the NS and future non faction ships.
nova sierra
This is useless....Scopely is the home of the most incompetent greedy morons that exist on this planet. And it's our fault, cause despite their total disrespect towards us, we keep putting money in their pockets fot their mistresses, drugs and whatever they need them for
safe parcel
Our server is already dead, stupid costs mean you either gank everyone or get ganked.
calm root
@nova sierra yeah we really need to stop paying for stuff until they #BalanceTheEconomyPlz
thin isle
Not to mention, no matter how many resources you mine, you will NEVER refine enough rare to level up any ship
calm root
Lol yeah.
upbeat shard
A lot of people got refunds, only reason they are rolling update back
calm root
And good luck protecting your millions over protected cap for the length of time you need to finally build the thing you're grinding for
upbeat shard
At least I was able to get some money back I've wasted on this game
nova sierra
@nova sierra one thing Iād like to mention is the fact that the guys at scopley are well aware of the problems the last āupdateā caused. They are also well aware of the things that need to be dealt with, miner stats not working, refinery issues etc etc. There is a long way to go with the app and they are working on it. Tomorrowās rollback shows that they have understood that they caused a massive problem for the community. Whilst I donāt want everyone high fiveing each other it shows that as a community we can make a difference. Q2 has obviously got a lot of messages to deal with on a daily basis and to then refer to the devs and management as to what can be done now, and what will take time. We all want the app to work now now now as thatās a perfect world......we all have played many games over the years that do not come up to scratch on day of release. We all own hardware that the same applies to. Keep putting in the bugs and they will try and fix them.
naive vector
I'm reporting Scopely to the BBB. š¤·
small fox
@nova sierra many of the issues are economy issues. All it takes to fix those is updating some numbers in a database. They should be able to do that
I.e. the refinery rates
E.g.*
Instead theyāre keeping as is to milk the whales
brittle kayak
They are able to do that fast, but why doing that if the money keeps on flowing in?
nova sierra
@small fox I am not under the misapprehension that this is isnāt a money making venture and yes I agree that the simple economy balance is wrong. What I am advocating is, we know the issues, letās report them and give a decent amount of time for them to be fixed, no more no less. The refinery rates are a massive issue for the whole community. My belief is at the moment they have moved the goal posts to far away so that even if you pay money to play then they are still to far away. There needs to be a balance so that you feel that what you have paid for justifies what you have spent.... at the moment the answer to that is overwhelming no.
calm root
There was that one site that reports they are making $50-60k/day... so theyre sitting pretty
nova sierra
They also need to bare in mind the people who donāt pay, there needs to be goals that, over time, they can reach the same as paying players. The balance is wrong and they are aware of the fact after the last week or so
calm root
There's a reason for my name haha
nova sierra
Scopley are not stupid, they also realise this, hence tomorrowās āupdateā yes they may be making money but if they get the balance right they could be making a whole lot more plus be able to keep the community happy. I am in no way on their side, I have actively engaged with them on these subjects. Errors were made, things will change, it will evolve.
calm root
I'm hopeful for the future as long as they realize the game sucks for f2p and sucks slightly less for p2w.
Like, they could make much more money in the long run if they switched stuff up
nova sierra
Yup, and I totally agree. For me this is why the community and scopley need to directly engage so they understand our point and theirs. Whether they use our point is another thing but like last weekend if you shout hard enough then things happen
Keep calling out the bugs guys
crimson grove
@nova sierra I admire your optimism, but look at their track history with previous games they've acquired. They've run them all into the ground
ebon thistle
the track record tells me the only people they listen to is their investors
crimson grove
Who knows, maybe this past event was enough for investors to see and start thinking Scopely's model is more volatile than they were led on to believe
I wouldn't want to break the news to a room of investors that we pissed off the whales so much that their volume of refund requests have Apple and Google threatening litigation
calm root
Best way to see change is to kick em in the nuts so they listen, aka stop paying until changes are made
crimson grove
Obviously
I'm not a whale, just a sea urchin holding on for dear life as they completely ruin good IP
calm root
^
nova sierra
Yup, their track history isnāt great, Star Trek has a huge following and community. They have been given the rights to develop this as an app. Everyone is reportable to someone. The community showed last week what they could do with an update that was poor to say the least. They have taken onboard what was said/done and will release a new update tomorrow. Whilst it sounds good on paper letās see how it lands. It will not put out everyoneās fire on what has happened but it āshouldā at least right the wrongs from last week. The scale of refunds was probably something that they never expected. I for one advocated ppl to go for refunds in the expectation that if they had paid for ship advancements that had been taken away then they were perfectly entitled to do so. The game as it sits is definitely not balanced. Scopley have maybe underestimated the wrath of ppl paying hundreds if not thousands of pounds/dollars/euros etc only to find their money went down the toilet and therefore requested a refund. I am hopeful that they will actively engage with the community to make things better. If they donāt then ppl will leave and the app will shut down. This is in no ones interest
calm root
Here's hoping
stray viper
The problem is there have been people completely āresetā and moved to another server for violating the TOS Scopely has laid out... how you ask? By getting refunds from Apple due to the update. In these instances Apple may have not refunded 100%, but what was impacted... resulting in Scopely retaliating against users getting refunds. Abuse is one thing, asking for a refund for what was broke is another. And yet Scopely ābootedā people for an issue caused by Scopely and the consumers lost more money than Scopely!
nova sierra
Ok @stray viper send me the members you have that this has happened to and I will see if I can discuss it with them
calm root
Discuss with who?
crimson grove
We need to hit these guys like a bunch of Bajorans -- 1* review here, refund there
nova sierra
Q2 JB etc
If ppl are being hit because of asking for refunds then it needs to be justified otherwise there will be a whole new world of crap because of it
stray viper
My husband has frequently talked to @nova sierra and still got booted. I donāt trust them at all.
calm root
I mean we've been spamming them and not a lot of response so not sure if it'll help
stray viper
I realize capitalism is about making money, but ripping people off is another bag of š©
nova sierra
Ok, so from my understanding, if you requested a refund because of the last update then itās justified, if you requested a refund for the whole lot then itās not......thatās my understanding
calm root
Why stop? They make like $600k/month on this game so they're not slowing down unless we stop paying
stray viper
He wasnāt refunded for the whole lot. Apple deemed the time frame. But was told in an email (from Scopely) he violated TOS regarding fees. Now, Apple is working on refunding the entire lot, and needless to say when you talk to supervisors at Apple, they are aware of the issues here, before they can be brought up due to the volume of complaints...that is sad.
nova sierra
Yup I know, I have heard from a lot of ppl with regards apple who are doing the same as your husband. For me personally itās not right that he requested a refund for a certain element and then they banned him and basically forced him to go for a full refund. This makes no sense to either party and tbh makes scopley look worse than the consumer.
stray viper
And whatās even more confusing, Apple did the same for me, and I didnāt get booted... so is it a violation of TOS or not.....
nova sierra
There needs to be a balance here. The more ill will that is generated the worse it will get. Well just reading your last comment I believe they are not done yet and are making their way thru all the refunds.....
calm root
I mean the real violation is asking for money, getting paid, then causing massive inflation
stray viper
I agree @nova sierra itās only time before they boot people for refunds resulting in more calls to Apple for full refunds after being booted... it is illogical. š
nova sierra
And getting more bad press because of that
No @calm root I disagree. As a consumer you pay for something that you want to buy. So in this case, say itās a new Mercedes.....you paid the money and then all of a sudden they arrive and say wait a minute weāre taking that away and giving you a Skoda......that isnāt right in anyoneās book
Or it only runs half the time
calm root
I think you misunderstood my statement
nova sierra
Yes @stray viper and @nova sierra I totally agree.
calm root
*Devs ask for your money
People pay them
They give them ship and rss
Then nerf the crap out of it
nova sierra
More money than what's sensible
@calm root yup I agree but like said before the last update took that ship and de-nered if to a Skoda......I.e the kehra.....
If I can help with anything then I will try on your behalf as someone who is just looking for answers
calm root
Yeah we're saying the same thing
nova sierra
Exactly
Either way it aināt great but as I said, they have heard and will hopefully fix tomorrow
stray viper
Or get worse... I mean stuffs broke and they took time to program a Valentineās Day pseudo event....
nova sierra
Yup........donāt need to say anything else apart from these things were planned well in advance of last weeks āupdateā
Games running like crap right now..
stray viper
Different from how @nova sierra
nova sierra
Check general discussion, there is a problem with galaxy chat, I have pm Q2, if I hear anything will let you guys know
calm root
Lol
nova sierra
Anyway of to settle down, good night guys and have a good night
Well ships don't normally move like a timeskip movie..hago dude
nova sierra
Games currently stuck@30 % ..umm,force stopped,etc..
thin isle
How's this for a fine way to end things. We're hearing a lot of reports on Discord that players who got refunds due to the bugs in the game are now getting banned and having their accounts deleted
Scopely claims getting a refund is a violation of their terms of service. Doesn't creating a buggy game and stealing people's money through their poorly thought out updates also violate common decency?
warm dome
Hell I'd take a 200/1 common to uncommon conversion, burn a 10 hour cooldown for it. Its ridiculous you can refine 60k work of mats and get 8... 8 uncommon. Just as an example from the past 3 days.
mighty bison
So someone requested a refund then thought they would get to keep the products that they paid for orginally...
stray viper
No, I donāt think anyone wanted to keep the product they were refunded for. If someone was only refunded a percent of charges, covering a certain date range when Scopely screwed up the update, then people get booted, there is a substantial amount of money left on the table that Scopely now has. That in lies the rub and is causing the frustrations by people.
i.e. my husband was refunded by Apple for a date range, this morning was booted... Now Apple is working on refunding everything. That is the problem. Booting people who get a partial refund for something that isnāt working is not the same as booting a person who jumps to 100% refund. Additionally, I too got a refund and wasnāt booted. So, enforcement of rules should be 100%. But, if they booted every person given a refund they would have a problem. Just ask Apple about the volume of refunds.
The actually are given an order number with the game center information....
stray viper
As am I fine with paying. However I know people who were refunded upwards of 5,000 already and yet people not refunded that much received emails about violating TOS regarding fees. That is the rub. Ban one for refunds, ban all especially that high. Thatās the problem. And I donāt care if I get banned. I already quit and had my alliance take my 30M plus resources and told scopely to delete my account. A dead cat works better than this game. (Now scopely feel free to delete this).
nova sierra
I learned quickly that itās better to buy speed ups
Yup.
I guess all we can do is remember this is just a game lol
A screwed up game. But a game
Agreed. Have a good night
remote rapids
Well to be truthfull apple is very protective of their cudtomers. There is a ton of legalese you need to"click accept" to post an app on the apple istore
So if a company posting an app is "stealing or misrepresenting" which is light to prove apple csn choose to refund and hold that company accountable
And i would guess with the amazing size of complaints they are getting with tis game they are choosing to act instead of doing nothing
stray viper
Agreed.
remote rapids
Scopely really has no one to blame other than themselves
green linden
Releasing a game that is clearly not ready for release..... the blame is on them.
vocal warren
Does anyone who has been locked out or knows someone who has been locked out of the game due to Scopely claiming a TOS violation for receiving a refund know what happens to the playerās station, ships and resources in game? Are they available to be raided by other players as usual? Are they removed from the in game economy pending resolution of the dispute to potentially be restored if it is resolved or what? Thanks in advance if anyone can shed any light and please mention me on your response to help me see it, so much being typed here so quick!
nova sierra
@vocal warren you show up as deleted and your base is removed. People canāt have your resources when you depart the game (quit or baned)
calm root
How do you quit tho? I deleted the game and came back but my base was still there
wicked jetty
You delete the game, refund as much as you can, and never reinstall
crimson grove
But how will they vote on their favorite couple?
calm root
Yeah I got the full refund. I'm just plugging along at a snail pace hoping they fix the economy
The only thing I'm wasting at this point is time, it's theoretically possible they'll properly balance
Though this picture is disheartening
(Not me btw, but holy crud those numbers)
stray viper
ā my point exactly full refund and can still play... why would some get booted for partial refunds... idiotic. Nothing against you @calm root
languid cloak
@vocal warren our server had a few people booted. They're completely gone now. No trace they were here
hollow vessel
@languid cloak Why did they get booted?
inland pelican
Iām sure they will get banned eventually. They are probably working off a list and banning in waves
languid cloak
@hollow vessel refunds of questionable nature.
indigo comet
Good the refunded people need there base reset or gone
inland pelican
@indigo comet looks like they are deleting their accounts
indigo comet
@inland pelican can't double dip it's wrong for the people that still spend and f2p players
calm root
Idk how they would know who got refunds, Google doesn't give any personal data to scopely. I think it's just fearmongerjng
Also Yeah, double dipping is pretty lame. But if you got a refund after last release, that's fair considering the packs were nerfed and ship nerfed decreasing the value of the stuff. But hey if you didn't refund, cool?
main herald
That's an insane parsteel requirement. The warehouse can't hold that much. Which means you need to either mine, raid other players, or buy.
calm root
Lol good luck mining anything over 100k
main herald
The other requirements are understandable though.
calm root
It's either raid or pay
main herald
Another balancing upgrade is inevitable when a critical mass of players get to your level.
Just like they increased G3 uncommon yields when enough people started refining those and were getting nothing.
calm root
What's crazy is that if I wanted to pay for 80 million parasteel, it would cost me literally $1000
main herald
As I said, they're going to balance that sooner or later. If everyone except for 3 people hits a wall at 32 and starts quitting and asking for refunds, scopely will (hopefully) fix it.
calm root
If only we could convince everyone to stop paying until they changed it...
calm root
Gj dude!
modest narwhal
If you seriously tell them what is wrong with the game, they will refund everything recently without question.
calm root
Totally. Did the same and got full refund :D
indigo comet
Well if you received a full refund and there's really nothing more to complain about
modest narwhal
I mean, if I get banned, nbd. Walk away. If I donāt, cool. Iāll play if the game isnāt broken.
In either case itās win/win. Interestingly, if scopely bans me, Iāll never be a customer again. So the only incentive to ban refunds is to theoretically discourage them, which never works.
You wouldnāt get banned from a Costco for a refund. Speaks more to the intent of the people running there product.
calm root
I mean I can still complain because the game is techniclly f2p
Not to mention advocating for my fellow gamers paying or not paying
modest narwhal
Yeah but we both know thatās BS. Donāt complain. Acknowledge problems and offer solutions, donāt just whine.
calm root
Hahahahahahahahahahaha
All I do here is offer solutions. Doesn't matter cuz they don't care. But I tell them anyways
supple bluff
@modest narwhal
When you get a REFUND at Costco, you hand your purchase Back
echo haven
Just wanted to inquire if turrets don't count as buildings, what exactly are they?
calm root
Lol
void stirrup
when activate piece shield and start mining at the same time with other player at the mining site, the battle will start automatic and I will lose effective of the piece shield. is it trueļ¼
twilit slate
if you warp to mine and it is already taken when your ship gets there, you essentially start the battle and therefore you lose your peace shield. Always warp next to the mine and then confirm the mine is empty before starting to mine.
void stirrup
ah, seems you right. remember itć thanc you dtr4in!
twilit slate
š
ruby garden
I'm thinking Scopely needs to make this payable now, or refund everything to everyone.
void stirrup
another question, if the shield time remains(ex,15 min) and I add more(ex,1h) peace shield, will it be added to the previous time (result 1h15min)?
cedar zealot
void stirrup
okć thanx bro
queen ridge
@echo haven they do count as buildings
wide summit
The chat in our server hasn't been working for the past day, did any other server have this problem?
burnt summit
shell quiver
@wide summit all Server Chat are broken
inner plaza
not all
we had a guy from another alliance who had no issue
now he joined us and the moment he joined his chat got broken
does it make any sense? nah... is it true? yes
solemn sierra
Our alliance is too
red fjord
@nova sierra this needs to be addressed also, once the broken stuff is fixed. No point in spending millions to get 30k protection other then some hard wired walls, e.g. building shipyard at 24.
oblique parrot
Why have discord they said. The game has chat they said. Well who is laughing now MOM!
elder mason
WHO'S LAUGHING NOW SAM
dusky tinsel
wise urchin
@dusky tinsel well put
quasi dove
They need to add NPC bases with rss amount dependant on the base level. Farming a non player base would be a conflict area that requires attacking and defending at the same time. Much better than having to empty player bases until they quit the game
queen ridge
They need to fix the hundreds of bugs before they start adding new stuff
tight heart
When will we be able to change crew positions on a ship without the ship having to be docked in the station??? I understand if the crew isnāt on the ship in the first place, but if they are on the ship and itās just switching positions it seems utterly illogical to go back to the dock!!!
chrome rivet
As of now we cant even repair 2 ships at once, thats annoying, if i have 3 Docks which can hold 3 ships, then why cant i repair all 3 at once, star trek should bring that option atleast
Its like i have the place, but i don't have the engineers to repair it lol
placid wasp
queen ridge
Figures theyāre going to be a few hours late on the server updates
If They wouldāve fixed the chat servers on time .....
nova sierra
@nova sierra are you guys retarded? You change the timetable as u want to??? Wtf? You said 12:00 UTC for europe...IT'S FUCKING 12!
slender comet
@nova sierra do you even read the Announcements?
queen ridge
Just a quick update.
Due to Global Chat issues many players are experiencing, the team is delaying the Asia Pacific server maintenance (edit - until later today).
I will keep you updated with news on this as I have it.
I will also be properly online later today.
LLaP,
Q2
It wouldāve been nice if you guys actually followed through with that and did it later today , like you announced, so you didnāt mess up all the rest of the other server schedules
white axle
@nova sierra wish you had annonced EU was going to be delayed before I popped a shield, you only stated asia was delayed
queen ridge
@azure holly u on an Asia server?
azure holly
yep ... founding server ... we're usually the guinea pigs for everyone else...
nova sierra
@slender comet announcing 10 min b4 is not ok...unless you are one of the incompetent people...in that case, it must be normal for u
queen ridge
Yeah they were supposed to skip the Asian servers until later on today so they didnāt muck up the rest the other server maintenance schedules
nova sierra
@white axle they did announce it...10 min b4 and in a subtle fashion
queen ridge
Although, if somebody had bothered to come into the office and fix the chat servers on Sunday , we would not be having this problem
white axle
thats my point 10 mins before is not enough time the prior announcement said nothing about other regions being delayed, I get unexpected things happen but at that point they would have had an idea and they should have at least thought about lettting people know
no on call engineers on the weekend š
nova sierra
@white axle unexpected things happen here so often that they are expected
azure holly
@white axle I disagree ... they were on 12 hours prior to normal time ... early hours (in the morning) UK time where they are based
slender comet
@nova sierra at least they inform you ... there were days where they didnt do that
azure holly
I just wish bugs were treated as urgent as game chat
white axle
@azure holly just because it was noted. notice how it didnt get fixed until someone that knew how to fix it got into the office, had a coffee looked at the tickets and said give me a min..... š not that such things ever happen in any other IT business š
nova sierra
@slender comet so we should be happy that they inform us when they fuck up, again? Should we also buy our own lube?
white axle
some comms is better than no comms so I agree on that, but id like to see them improve on it and give more info with more notice.. that cant be bad for anyone
nova sierra
@white axle that's the thing...when we start rewarding mediocrity, this is what we get...
How tf had this game gotten worse...
white axle
not rewarding it and certainly asking for further improvement because its not where it needs to be
nova sierra
@white axle accepting this type of behaviour as "better this than.." is rewarding
white axle
maybe in your opinion, saying we asked for X you gave us Y please get better and give me X is basically a polite way of saying you didnt do good enough get better.
nova sierra
@white axle being polite with people who fuck up on my dime, is not in my character
urban schooner
Devs need to send out another 24hr shield since by the time they actually do server maintenance the free on they gave the other day will have run out.
queen ridge
Why a 24 hour shield for only a three hour or less maintenance? @urban schooner
Tbh a 8 hr shield is more than enough
ashen magnet
not when they cannot do the maintenance at the time they said they would
hardy widget
Have to agree with @nova sierra Rewarding mediocrity is unacceptable.
I want to know if this kind of thing is going to be the norm. If so, thereās really no point trying to mine or anything else.
bold sentinel
Funny that on my server it's ROMA that tend to hit empty miners š
And yes you will get people that just go round doing that
calm root
That's why I hope there isn't a server merge, we have established roe on my server. Only 3 to 5 people are dicks and kill anyone, most people scan first unless there's an alliance war
sweet elm
Happy to see the maintenance happening. Looking forward to getting back to the game.
pale willow
Or even fix the damn issue of knowing who attacked you if you are not in the game. Every time I am gone from the game of more than 1 hr, someone will attack and no battle report EVER will appear. In addition since this so called valentinr vote, NOT one time have I got to vote just like others. But hey, letās tick off more people by introducing items vs fixing the known issues in the app. Oh, I forgot the darn dev mantra, if it doesnāt make $, do not fix it.
calm root
Lol
sweet elm
The vote happens as an ad pop up as the game starts. It will say "vote" at the bottom of the event add
You didn't get any of those?
rapid salmon
Clicking Vote doesn't bring up the actual vote screen for me either.
sweet elm
Not that it matters, because we don't get to see the tallies or anything. It's a blind vote and then "poof" Spock and Gorkon are getting it on and neither will drop because the V-Day drop rate is the same as uncommon.
rapid salmon
Also true
pale willow
@sweet elm how true. Said that the first day as well. Might as well since so far very few in my alliances or the many Sister Ally have got the vote screen. Pathetic but par for the course.
fossil night
I have seen ability to vote roughly 24 hrs after voting each time. Seems to be working and i have noticed a change in drop rate during the time for voted characters.
rough dagger
You need to adjust your faction dailies requirements. I'm level 19 and have been going all in on Klingon faction and the daily kill are now level 26 and 27 for fed/rom. That's insane
idle plaza
Level 23 and the only gameplay left seems to be raiding stations, of which there are fewer with rss every day. Am I missing something? Some hidden missions that make it possible to continue upgrades, etc.?
woeful reef
@nova sierra Suggestion: I donāt know if this is technically feasible (and Iām suggesting it should be either way), but a 2-3 hour moratorium on starbase raids should be put in place after every maintenance. Your teamās estimates are just thatāestimates. From my experience the servers have gone live before the scheduled maintenance period ends, which is great and all in theory but gives significant and potentially fatal leverage to players that happen to go back in before the majority game population does. That leaves players that are waiting for the official maintenance end time, vulnerable to attack. And I would argue that there are a great deal many cases that players donāt know maintenance is happening (too late or at all) and donāt have the opportunity to bubble and protect themselves. This happened to me, a few maintenance cycles ago, where I set an alarm for when the maintenance period ended and logged in only to see my entire base wiped of its resources because other players logged in before the maintenance period ended, were let in, and began raiding vulnerable players. And speaking to another use case, because only a fraction of the game population follows the discourse that happens here in Discord or Facebook, etc. that puts the majority game population at a significant disadvantage that can lead to all of their progress being erased simply because they didnāt log in at some arbitrary time that the servers go live again. Please consider a time-based moratorium on base attacks for the above reasons. Thank you
civic slate
@woeful reef disagree. Maintenance times are clearly announced in advance. My entire team was notified by our alliance leadership and were instructed to bubble. For longer than the expected time frame. That carries you through maintenance AND the moratorium you suggest. Donāt bubble. Get looted. No diff than any other time in the game.
empty shell
Still T6 Khera is weaker 16 k thank T4 Vahklas ? allrtight kthnxbai
frail saddle
I get IGMs every time they want me to take it my wallet but no IGMs about maintenance? Announcing it here isn't notification.
indigo comet
@hardy widget we are on the same server lol
civic slate
Also. It wasnāt as if this wasnāt even more planned out than other maintenance. We knew about this one on Thursday lol
And I would suggest that if youāre a serious enough player to have millions to loot, youād be serious enough to follow the announcements channel in this discord lol itās simple. I mute the entire server except that room. I get every announcement every time.
NOT defending scopely. They suck lmao but there ARE some things we are big enough to handle on our own lol
indigo comet
@civic slate they will just cry when it happens
civic slate
Hand holding for maintenance isnāt one of their problems.
woeful reef
@civic slate They are not clearly announced in advance. Case in point: I logged in immediately after waking up this morning, and to my delight everything was working. Then I made my coffee, went back into the game and then it was down for maintenance. Did I check galaxy chat? No, but thatās besides the point because galaxy chat is not an appropriate place to announce downtime for an entire server. That is a serious UX issue and should be an announcement on par with Event Announcements, not just placed in galaxy chat where it will get buried in 5 minutes. Announcements on Discord are great, but 100% of the game population is not on Discord (or Facebook, or every other social media platform). So Announcements of this level need to be put front and center when you open the game. This is a game design flaw
indigo comet
It comes up in global before it goes down
civic slate
Yeahhhhhh. Umm no. @woeful reef id youāre relying on galaxy chat for game announcements then you probably donāt have a base worth raiding......
Again. Itās simple. You wanna he notified? Then allow yourself to be notified. Lmao donāt expect them to serve you with a summons every time they do maintenance. Follow discord. Follow the announcements channel. Easy peasy.
woeful reef
You all are failing to realize the logistics of this. @nova sierra I am sure you understand where I am coming at. Iām a UI designer and Iāve thought through these use cases. You know where Iām coming at, so I will rest my case here.
Thanks for the feedback everyone
nova sierra
@nova sierra Did the server maintenance miss updating the faction stores or is it still ongoing?
civic slate
@woeful reef just in case you were worried about getting looted early. The game is back up š
woeful reef
@civic slate Youāve disproven your own argument and bolstered mine. The game is still down for me and I cannot get in. So that means not everyone is able to access the game at the same time. So now I at a disadvantage and I am not at fault
civic slate
There is your personal notification
empty shell
I don't see any changes , in NPCs as well , T6 Khera has same power as before and its weaker 16.5 k thank T4 Vahklas ...
woeful reef
civic slate
@woeful reef wrong. Q2 just announced all servers are up and running. Try again.
See how that works? Lol I got the announcement (from this discord ps) and you still didnāt check before trying to argue with me. Canāt help those who donāt wanna help themselves.
Meanwhile the rest of my team are out looting unprotected bases. Gonna join em. Peace!
bitter wagon
@nova sierra so how exactly do we get the blueprints for these ships?
nova sierra
woeful reef
@civic slate again youāre only bolstering my argument. In my original post I clearly indicated that Scopely sometimes is able to get the game back up and running before the scheduled maintenance period ends. Officially we still have 45min until the period ends. That means, players that are following Scoeplyās original word are now put at a disadvantage. NOT EVERYONE IS ON DISCORD and arguments saying āwell, you shouldāve knownā are laughably myopic. And not everyone bothers to check galaxy chat because itās filled with garbage and other petty talk that sounds a lot like your own language. And again, official announcements there are buried in 5min or less.
@nova sierra I am advocating and providing constructive feedback for adequate game design. Meanwhile, my detractors here arenāt thinking in terms of game design or user experienceājust their ability to get a leg up on the game, and belittling people with insults about their game status and whatnot. I have background in UX design and this is my professional feedback
Again @nova sierra my suggestions: Announce maintenance at app-launch with a modal similar to Event Promotions (not just galaxy chat) leading up to the downtime. If maintenance ends early, put in place a moratorium on base raids AT LEAST until the official maintenance period ends. Thank you.
queen ridge
@woeful reef Or people could actually not be lazy and pay attention to discord which everybody should be able to get and use. They also have a Facebook page where people are posting that the servers are up as well
woeful reef
And this is why there are UX designers, and why other people are not UX designers
queen ridge
Tons of games out there that are on line finish their maintenance early and do not announce it to the players
ripe pebble
why do I have faction hostile daily missions that are IMPOSSIBLE to meet? I am lvl 19 and even with combat triangle can't kill ONE lvl 23 let alone TWENTY-FIVE of them!
and a level 22, takes up 4/5 of my health
queen ridge
Oh I fully know what user experience design isā¦ However I donāt think it is applicable nor necessary in this one instance
ripe pebble
@woeful reef I got into the game as soon as it let me and I had already been looted
forest anchor
I am likely to delete this app tonight. See the reviews in the IOS App Store. I agree, this game is a. A ripoff and B. Not the least bit Star Trek.
woeful reef
Case in point. Thank you @ripe pebble
ripe pebble
and I WAS paying attention, was hitting refresh on joining
civic slate
@ripe pebble shoulda shielded before maintenance. @woeful reef youāre making my point for me. Youāre ON discord. THIS VERY SERVER and still didnāt pay attention to the updates. I refer to my original statement. If you were a serious enough player to have something to raid, then take all the necessary precautions to protect yourself. Instead of blaming others for catching you unprotected cause you werenāt spoon fed a personal letter or notification.
bitter wagon
So @nova sierra two questions. What if weāve already opened our daily chest for today? And how do we unlock the new ships?
woeful reef
Creator thinking vs consumer thinking. Thatās all Iāll say š
sinful hearth
So no fix for the broken hostiles and mines?
clever saddle
@nova sierra when will mining bonuses get fixed?
frigid summit
@nova sierra Can we have a sheild button on the main display? like default to the lowest sheild availible? PLEASE
rough sierra
Mines always not fixed.... I am disapointed š¤
nova sierra
@ripe pebble Am I to believe that you can't upgrade any of your ships still?
earnest plover
seriously... go get a brain scopely.... @nova sierra @potent cipher
it cant be that hard to get the farm rates straigh and balanced
one step ahead 3 steps back... gj
if u ever feel the need to go into details feel free to ask. but atm i have to assume its not in your interest (numbers.. cashflow..?... whatever)
tho i will never understand how chasing away the player-base can be in anyones strategy scope
hasty rock
@nova sierra still canāt see the rewards when I click on a base...is this going to be fixed? Only way to see what a base has is to scan it which I cannot do at lvl 14 and unless I spend quite a bit of money I am just an easy target if I advance
rain furnace
What does it matter what rss are in the base? You cant get them at lvl 14. @hasty rock
Not saying it shouldnt be fixed, but what do you care? You even admitted if you were lvl 15+, you still couldnt loot them.
hasty rock
@rain furnace many of the lower players scout for bigger players we are a team in our alliance and it makes it fun while I wait to get enough uncommon to upgrade my ships
hardy widget
My issue isnāt with people hitting miners. My issue is being hit by ppl 6 levels higher with 100K+ power.
indigo flicker
Why did they add new ships at crazy power lvls rather then adjusting the ones people already got?
past token
@nova sierra sorry to bug you, but when will we see/be able to collect blue prints on the new ships
indigo flicker
Or is this a....... Now you have new ships you have to spend money on and the ones you've already done that to are garbage
past token
@potent cipher if you are able to answer, would be great as well
New blue prints don't seem to be available yet?
nova sierra
What is BURN and MORALE ?
indigo flicker
Why invest in anything then the 3 you can build at 26, they are the best till you can get enterprise lvls of ships mid to late 30s or have I missed something?
lilac saffron
that's called credit card power. they bought all the boosts and research that the rest of us are trying to work for. you'll get there eventually
small fox
@lilac saffron eventually? Try multiple years at the rate of mining and refinery drops
lilac saffron
the game was designed to last a long time, i heard clash of clans was like that
broken quiver
As others have said the PvP levels are whacked. No wonder players keep leaving.
queen ridge
@broken quiver A level 19 can come along and slaughter your miner just as easily
surreal mountain
4 million (!!!!!!) dilithium for + 5000 faction standing ... ?! a little bit unbalanced or a new bug ?
queen ridge
Yeah thereās no way to mine that many they need to adjust that
surreal mountain
means i have to spend about 200 ā¬ for further developing to get it - oh my god - thats freaky stuff !
nova sierra
Best will in the world guys, cannot get to all of these. But Ill hit what i can since like... yesterday...
@nova sierra Ill assume this is regarding new ship BP? They are coming soon.
@bitter wagon Again, I've been told BP are coming soon. Crate is a separate crate (updated in the post).
@clever saddle Soon, I hope.
@frigid summit Seems like a fair suggestion. :)
@woeful reef I certainly like the idea of the screen to let people know.
woeful reef
Thank you for considering the idea @nova sierra šš½
nova sierra
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queen ridge
@nova sierra can You do us all a favor and not announce new ships if we cannot get them LOLā¦ Itās kind of pointless to say ā oh new ships are in the game todayā¦ But theyāre coming soonā
bitter wagon
@nova sierra as for the new officerāwhat happens if we opened our daily chest today BEFORE the update?
queen ridge
@bitter wagon Itās in a different chest not in your daily chest
bitter wagon
Ah l! My mistake. Misread that.
lilac saffron
kinda like the holiday chest. it opened every 24 hours
bitter wagon
You keep doing your thing, @nova sierra ā¤ļø
stray gull
Treath your customers like mushrooms, keep em in the dark and give them shit to feed
crimson grove
@stray gull The 286th Rule of Acquisition, I believe
jovial hound
@nova sierra The faction missions really do need a look into. Lvl 19 expected to fight lvl 24+ hostiles isnt balanced at all.
cobalt viper
@jovial hound @nova sierra yeah, I'm level 20 and I have to kill lvl 26 and 27s.
jovial hound
thats ridiculous not tuned right
vale reef
@nova sierra please for the love of God bring down the cooldown on refining stuff. 10 hours is too long. Also please up the rates of rare and common please
ripe pebble
@jovial hound agree!!! I can't do any of my missions I am currently on. I have 20-24k ships and some of the missions are over 100k!!!
civic slate
Oooohhh goooooood I forgot why I muted this channel. Yāall give the guy a damn break. Heās a spokesperson. Not your catchall for all your whiny ass shit.... you wanna complain? Send in a support ticket. Leave this cat alone. Geez.
queen ridge
@jovial hound that means youāre doing missions and or faction dailies too fast And you are progressing beyond your operations level
In That case, you simply have to wait until your operations level catches up
split monolith
Really? DJ Aoki? š
jovial hound
Yeah, no thats not acceptable for this. Daily missions that give out objectives to kill things well beyond T2 scope isnt done right
turbid crane
Chat is playing up again
echo crater
@nova sierra looks like you guys still haven't fixed the tritanium mining rate on the envoy as well as the tritanium mining officer perk. My Envoy displays 4920 per hour but in reality it's only about 2k per hour. This must have been the 2nd or 3rd major update now. Are you guys purposely stunting down the mining rate to force us players to purchase your packs?
brittle kayak
Yeah
4920 per hour still so dammed low...
That's 30 days non stop 24h a day mining for one component of my NS if the rates where the apropiate....
711h mining.... For 3mil trit...
rain furnace
@lilac saffron clash of clans was nothing like this. You consistently made noticable progress if you put in the time. Even at higher lvls
primal coral
@nova sierra This is something I can't get my head around! Come on, just for the principal of it.
Forcing players to pay this way will make a loot of people quit.
pallid peak
The goal is to get you to raid bases or mine. You can mine and pillage past the generator limit
Pay to win is the motto for all these new games
timid briar
After the release of this, Steve Aoki crap...
...meet the next officer to be released.
@nova sierra, when can we expect Richard Simmons to join the crew and keep us all in shape?
warped mural
Wasted a lot of f*cking money in this game for this jackass to be an officer? Are the devs serious?! I wonder how much money was spent for licensing on this instead of fixing the immense amount of issues with the game? God knows I hope other high spending players are upset at this as well.
carmine jay
25k?
wicked jetty
are we complaining about free officers now?
timid briar
@wicked jetty the new officer isn't even a Star Trek character, he is some guy who has money and Scopely got a nod from in a YouTube vlog.
@wicked jetty
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Aoki
rose sable
free officers!??! is that how you look at it?
ask scopely how much they paid him
humor me
@wicked jetty
pseudo dagger
The resource grind is getting old very quick. The amount of upgrades in station are over 500k and continues to grow. My little ecs fortunes may get 4k an hour if they are not killed. Haven't seen and envoy blueprints in a month. Resources gathering rates need to be tripled across the board. The grind for rss is worse than ever quest mmo's experience back in the 90s
nova sierra
Iām waiting for the Kardashian officer shard
carmine jay
Then Im waiting for the tape to be released...
grand orbit
#hide n seek: I think it takes away an important tactical option, that one cannot "hide" in mining fields anymore! I would love to see this feature return. After all it gave the smaller players an option against vastly stronger players and it also allowed for save breaks from the game, without alwazs pullin back ships!
languid bison
@nova sierra do we know approx what week the next update (for the other faction ships) will be this month? I have a Bortas collecting dust, so Iām just curious.
remote rapids
Any lvl 26's been able to get bps for the new ships? Im only lvl 21 but i dont see the bps in the faction store
twilit slate
no - yet to be added, we can see them, but can't get bps yet
remote rapids
Wow.. Interesting guess i shouldnt be surprised they cant seem to get old bugs fixed why not new content completely broken..
twilit slate
I would say they are coming with the update later in the month - but I am guessing, I guess we wait and see.
crude kindle
Still...its pretty cool theres some new ships!
twilit slate
yeah - just want to get and build one now š
proven stump
Iāve played betas that werenāt as buggy as this game. Stop adding and start fixing. You wonāt get anymore of my money until basic game works better.
calm root
@nova sierra can confirm that refine rates for return of uncommon got worse with the update. While you dudes may be 'listening' you're not putting player needs into play.
Tldr, the grind is more grindy then before on top of the more grindy grind from the Tritanium nerfage
dry glacier
They removed Contact Us from the Help/FAQ. You can no longer annoy them with silly little problems, like the fact you canāt fix the simplest problems. Stop outsourcing the work to high school students. Or grade school. Junior programmers could figure out how to fix some of the issues, like the fact that you have yet to sync mine times with the ships, especially the envoy
twilit slate
try looking at one of the FAQs and then indicate that it didn't help, I think the contact us appears then @dry glacier
dry glacier
No, I opened it up and this is what I see
twilit slate
click on one of them to read
dry glacier
I did
It says to click on Help/FAQ and shows you the old setup. This window I just shared is all you see now
They removed the Contact Us link that used to be to the top right
twilit slate
do you get the "was this helpful yes/no"
dry glacier
Woah, it just popped up
Yes
The was this helpful just showed up. I was in there
Theyāre trying to make it as challenging as possible to let them know the game has major issues
twilit slate
"working as intended"
twilit slate
start new conversation
crude marsh
Same with Google
frank heath
@nova sierra when will we see the officer list of who is working and who is not? At the moment i can tell that none of the officer abilities affecting mining rates are working...abd neither are the g2 survey ability or the north star ability...
Your team has made a couple of passes of the officers in recent weeks and still these abilities dont work...whats the deal?
Also what other officers dont work? Ice heard from some of my alliance members that other officers are broken...is there a list somewhere??
calm root
I think I spend more time in this discord than re game now that it's a total grindfest
naive garden
ya should find some other hobbies
plush bay
Scopely and Scientology seem to have a lot in common
crisp lintel
Now youāve done it you are on the list
maiden kite
Yep, next will be a āspecialā Tom Cruise character in game. Probably Vulcan or something
twilit slate
jumping up onto the couch lol
hold on, can't be a Vulcan, they have logic and TC has nada
@maiden kite
green linden
Maybe one of those illogical Vulcans? Lol
twilit slate
that have gone a little whacky due to too much solo pon farr
crude marsh
Lol my past comments were deleted
stable totem
How is that possible? At that lvl this ship is lock
nova sierra
@nova sierra please explain how is this balance...i am lvl 22
wheat oak
@stable totem some lucky <18 players got the full pack offer, by some temporary glitch or other
lapis wigeon
@nova sierra ant meet boot
crisp blaze
@nova sierra seems fine to me
nova sierra
@nova sierra u guys sicken me...
nova sierra
@nova sierra why not put up a shield?
@nova sierra can you play this game with perma-shield?
The shield stays on as long as you dont attzck other players im guessing?
Or are you on of those who go raid bases and shoot miners and then complain when their base gets hit
@nova sierra i do not complain about being attacked... i complain that i can not deffend myself. And your solution to cower and stay perma-shielded is a coward's solution...i do not want to play farmville in space, but there is such a thing as balance...fairness
Well putting a shield up is defence?
If i need to attack a 5 lvl lower base 6-7 times before i can breach it...i expect the same from my attacker
Not when that attzcker is has a 300k ship
@nova sierra no,putting up a shield is mining and praying no one attacks my miner
And payed quite some money to get that ship
@nova sierra that's my fucking point!
Well whats holding you base the?
Tzke your credit card pump up your ship
And take the mofo out
@nova sierra i payed too...but i haven't payed enough...and if you think it is normal to conduct a business like "whoever pays the most wins, who doesn't pay as much, dies"...guys like u are the problem
Welcome to the real world
:D
Im guessing your a socialist:D
@nova sierra no, in tje real world, if VW has a problem with the cars it is selling, it fixes them and compensates the customers which have suffered becaise of this
No
Oooh your sadly mistaken
Socialist? You have no economic knowledge
In the real world a company like VW, sets aside a compensation budget incase the diesel sczndzl came out
The new full well what they were doing but the money gain was grziter then the risks
Btw...yoh meant to say commy...socialism is politics, communism is economics...but, it's no wonder i can't tell the difference
I got no knowledge compqred to u
So they proceeded. Unfortunatly it came out
And they only compensated certain countries
U know it all and redesigned socialism as economical
Socialisme is indeed not economiczl. I was refering to the fact that you aparantly want thins for free
While others have to pay for it
I said i payed...but, why let facts get in the way of your rant
Because you are breathing you deserve...
Yes but not as much
And you expext the same
As somebody who spent your amount x 3
@nova sierrawho said the same? I said ballance...i said a way to defend myself, not be invincible
You can defend yourself
If your base is around 1,1 mil
But i can't play with ur coward option
A 300k ship want be able to penetrate it
But for that you have to pay atleast as much as for a 300k ship
Probably even more
All im saying is you cant expect to defend
In any meaningfull way
š thx for proving my point...guys like you think that whoever pays more should win...
And this is why shit happens
Against someboy who is spending exponentialy more money
I am paying to play a game...as long as i am paying, i should be able to play the game, not win, PLAY
If i am forced to perma-shield, i am only playing at mining
Most games have limits to how much a player can spend/buy...in order to create a balance
Well i could agree to that
I see no disclaimer saying that if i don't pay as much as the highest paying player, i am accepting to be target practice
However scopely is not gonna so that
This is not a subscription game. But pay for power game
To accept the fact that it's ok to not be able to enjoy the game, because you have payed less than some other guy, is stupid beyond comorehension
To say that people who are against it are socialist...is deeply moronic
And as long as people like you defend these practices, these practices will continue
Now your talking about enjoyment not about power to defend yourself
How can you enjoy your car if u'r not allowed to use it as u should?
Expecting to get the same luxury car for less money is socialistic in nature
I want the same as that milionaire but dont want to pay for it
Ill go complain to the government that it is not fair
I cant have the same car
Are u retarded? Who said i want the same???
Then compelling the government to put a spending cap on cars
I didn't say i want to kick his ass...but to be able to withstand a couple of attacks
Hahaha. Jups socialist leftist views
In ir mind that is the same?
Who are u arguing with? Cause you have no fucking clue what i am saying
Let me put it simple for u...maybe you will get it
Socialism=everyone gets the same
Meritocracy=everyone gets what is able to get(not at the expense of others)
Scopely=who pays more, gets to do what they want with those who pay less
steep burrow
Scopelyism
nova sierra
Even simpler. Your way of thinking is like if i pay 10k for a car, i'm allowed to go only 30km/h...if i pay 300k, i'm allowed to go 300km/h
@nova sierra and that is ur shitty way of thinking...that is what u think the world should be like
If i'm a socialist...wtf does that make u?
nova sierra
@nova sierra Is see ur still breaking your head over this. And what a shitty comparison. Hahaha. Let me put your own example in the correct context. The same rules apply to everybody. In game as in the real world (thats why you example sucks). Everybody has the same access to ships, everybody must have the same amount of faction points to get certain ships, etc. In the real world. Everybody is allowed to buy a car and everybody has to follow the same speedlimit rule. Then whats the diffrence. Of you spend 10k on a car, you will have shitty looking, slow accelerating. 120kph to speed car. That does its job perfectly. If you spend 300k you can buy a luxury ferari sportscar that can accelerate to 100kph in 3 seconds. With a 300kph to speed. You would be the guy looking at the sportscar. Wow this isnt fair, he can accelerate faster (ship is stronger). Well gotta to complain to the government (scopely) because i also spent money and my car is not so fast. Forgetting to mention the ferari costs 30 times more. Well government you should restrict the amount of money that can be spent. Essentiely trying to force the powerstructure to give you a ferari for the money you paid. If you want to talk about fairness. How fair is this for players who spent exponentialy more then you, when scopely suddenly gives you a stronger ship or base for free while others have had to pay for that. Nobody is holding a gun against peoples head and forcing them to play or pay. If you think it isnt fair you can quit
tough beacon
I am level 25 waiting to get enough rare G3 ore to upgrade to level 26 which needs 120. At this juncture I am getting 5-10 uncommon g3 UC ore a week out of my level 25 refinery. My only other recourse would be to spend $300 to got to Level 26 or wait 10-19 weeks to refine enough uncommon. That does not include the 860 common g3 ore and 5.3 million parasteel. We need to address the refining rates. $300 or 19 weeks waiting seems wrong to me. Donāt tell me to do events which cost 1000s of latinum to complete either... then we are right back up that $100s to get to the next level . I have spent $1400 already in this game and I would spend more, but this is getting crazy.
nova sierra
@tough beacon well atleast you sound reasonable. I agree that what you get for your money should be more, much more. What i also find very deceptive is the fact that no description is given for the refinery and what influences it. All buildings have upgrzde effect descriptions. The refinary doesnt. And this is done deliberatly
fix the mine sizes, (stupidly small), mining rates (stupidly low) and build requirements (stupidly insane) and you'l fix "most" of the levelling issues with the game. If you want to spend money it should be on ships - I have no problem with that
make levelling attainable - then fix the protected rss levels so that people who dont spend arent penalized too much.
@nova sierra in the real world, the fact that i got a piece of junk while someone else has a sports car, would only affect me if i would let it. The guy in the sports car would not negate my abillity to drive to where i want. Our choices would not imoact eachother in any way other than pride.
Here, i buy a piece of junk that becomes worthless whrn someone buys a sports car.
Here, if i don't spend the same ammount of money as the highest spender, i might as well not pay, cause the end result is the same! The difference between me and a non-paying-player is gone.
And, NO! I do not have an advantage over lower lvl players, because if i try to attack them, my shield goes down and i am attacked with no chance of deffending myself against it.
I can see you either can't grasp this or you do and just play dumb
Faction content should be hard to get - as should faction ships. The Pvp element is badly broken and needs to be altered - and this is coming from someone who can thump most players
nova sierra
@nova sierra , well if im dumb, your probably dumber. I commented on your shitty car example. However the discussion started with base defences. Well what if we change the car example with a house. Its fairly correct to say that somebody who spents 3mil on a house with special tempered glass, solid steel doors, camera surveilance and other security stuff would have a better defence against people who want to steal his shit compared to somebody who pays 100k for a house (base). You would be the one whining to the government that its not fair somebody can breake into your house as compared to somebody who spent much more. Especialy if your unwilling to use the ultimate defence item.
@nova sierra i agree, i think were in a simmilar position. I also can take on anyone on my server. However i cant stand winning: hes got a better... I want it too but dont wanna pay for ot. Lets whine to scopely.
limit the pvp and decrease the difficulty levels and the game has a future - some will complain - others will start spending as they see a way forward.. "oh I can buy this pack and upgrade 10 things" as opposed to the current 1 upgrade requires 1 ultra pack
You can upgrade 1 thing with an ultra package? I think your still in a happy place:D
Upgrading to lvl 32 would cost me around 15 ultra packages
=> rare ore
Im level 33
happy place is fast running out
@nova sierra , i hear ya :D
white axle
@nova sierra are there any more alliance events coming soon? The vote thing doesnt seam to be showing anything in game for me, the free npc chest while nice doesnt exactly consume a lot of time š
nova sierra
Yeah, we've got some guys at the 30+ wall so Imma park at 28/29 for a bit with 4th dock. Level officers and ships.
Officer wall exists too. But a little further out for me.
worn pebble
@nova sierra Agree But I prefer to spend my money in real world š Waiting for my Porsche Taycan š
nova sierra
@nova sierra , good idea, i would also recomend that. @worn pebble yeah me 2. What can i say im a trekkie. But im not spending anything anymore on this game hahaha
Wie kann das sein , das mir beim gas raffinieren insgesamt 65 ungew. Gas angezeigt werden und ich davon nur 45 ins inventar kommen . Seit dem wochenende wurden mir mehr als 100 ungew. Gas dadurch "unterschlagen" . Und das ist nur die spitze , was ich mitbekommen hab ,weil ich drauf geachtet .
nova sierra
@white axle Hope to have event news soon.
@nova sierra .....NNNNOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! (please tell me the help button is back)
@calm root I do not believe that is the case.
@languid bison We do not know that yet. I am also curious.
languid bison
@nova sierra thanks, the new faction ships look pretty cool and do well to round out the options. Iām excited for the others to get an update.
nova sierra
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calm root
@nova sierra maybe my luck sucks then when refining haha. I've had 0 uncommon several times since the update vs before I usually got 5 or 10 each time at level 20 refinery and OP for *2. I hardly ever get 25, maybe once in a month
You mentioned it's something they're looking to tweak more Yeah? Cuz it's pretty rough atm. Took me 2 weeks to get back up to 250 uncommon ore from building OP 20, but that was better odds. Now it seems I'm at about half that so itd take 4 weeks to get the same ammount
dusty rampart
I agree - if the current refinery rates continue, I am going to quit (level 22). Its going to take me months of continuous refining to get my existing ships (except Kehra, have not unlocked Vikas yet) up to the next tier. The game is no longer rewarding the time invested. Lots of problems, but the refine rates are what is about to make me quite.
calm root
For me it's refine rates + crazy rss requirements without any way to get that other than murdering everyone in the galaxy 100x or grinding for months on end
dusty rampart
I have managed to get to 22 without murdering anyone. Slow but possible. But run out of missions now I can do without upgrading ships, and I cannot upgrade ships. So I think the two are related.
nova sierra
@nova sierra My next promotion will require 4200 fac points. That is when it stops being fun.
dusty rampart
The game developers do have a choice - exponential growth in requirements to slow people down and hopefully stay in game longer, or more linear growth but people will hit top levels faster and probably leave. But the curve is not right. I have near zero hope of getting much higher - upper tiers are running out of targets so hitting everything (and can afford to do so with their ships). So you have to shield all day long. But then you cannot attack (or waste the shield token). You can visibly see the galaxy ecosystem deteriorating. The bottom levels were great and fun. I restarted on my phone with a different account - lots of missions, lots to explore. Around 19 or 20 the āfunā goes down - its a completely different game. I find myself mining wondering what they are going to do to make levels 20+ worth hanging around.
calm root
^ totally. I've debated about starting a new account just to do the PVE side of things which were fun . After 15, it's been fear, anger, and frustration pretty much everyday
nova sierra
@calm root 5 or 10 uncommon?!?! Sounds like you have had better luck than me at any point. š
The struggle for Obs 20 is real though - I do hear you.
It takes time to recover.
ashen igloo
Is there anyplan for evening out the ammount of lvl 3 parts from dailys now with the new faction ships considering klingon will prolly use interceptor parts and they get 12 vs 8 for battleship?
calm root
Well, at least you feel the same pains as we do i guess @nova sierra ? haha. Tbh, I don't want to level up any further. If I level up, I get better uncomon rates (allegedly) but at the same time, my ability to complete events/dailies decreases because my OP level will be up. At some level, there doesn't seem to be a way to win. The higher you go, the more you can kill but the more you need and you don't really increase at all in terms of what you can generate
(not to mention, I don't want to level because of of how much of a grind getting to 20 was I can't imagine ever getting to 30 from here)
which sucks, because all the cool flashy ships that are coming out are level 26+, which for me is like 3 or 4 months away of daily constant grinding (while I get constantly obliterated by Whales). Trying not to be salty, trying to enjoy the game, but it's very difficult to remain optimistic
topaz venture
My finger accidentally slipped and I just used 1000 latinum on an insta upgradeš¢ Can something be done about this as it's happened a few time before to me in the past? Perhaps a prompt window asking to confirm purchase? š¤ how about it, I'm sure others have made this mistake in the past. š
nova sierra
Refining rates are better than they used to. Dont know if its just luck or something tweaked though. I still dont see that as a problem, but the enormous total amount of the g3 uncommon needs should be tweaked. We are talking about thousands @ lvl 26.
@calm root Read that as Wales for a second though... wondered what the country would have against you.
Level 23... your starting to worry me guys.
It takes maybe 3-4 weeks to get 120 g3 uncommons in specific material without winning the events. Then you can choose to do either 1 upgrade to a ship, a building or a research
All other bugs & glitches are ok compared to this actual obstacle, which will probably make people who have spent thousands of $ to quit, as its not worth the time or a quadruble amount of money, as the end game is missing. I would prioritize this quite soon. And severely.
bitter wagon
@nova sierra you know what would be awesome? A āmy base was just drainedā pack. $25 for a relo token and some basic resources. Thatād be a moneymaker for sure
nova sierra
@nova sierra , i feel your pain if have nine officers ready to promote. Need a total of 12k credits from the diffrent factions
Yep. lvl moving to lvl 20 and on is painful outside of standard
@bitter wagon I want one.
Hahaha @nova sierra , well you could also buy a pack at the bargaining price of 104 EUR
Next Kirk I think I have is around 4400 fac credits I think and a commendation. So have to buy ~1 and use dailys to save. But that doesn't include other officers. I stopped maxing standard starfleet officers since they are all 1100 fac each.
Indeed
I got kirk and nero to upgrade for second time. But not spending shit this time
Thell probably nerf the officers next. Bubai money
rose sable
calm root
Lol what did you do @rose sable ?
rose sable
gave them the advice that they didnt know they needed... last time I try to help out...
@calm root
calm root
Lol did you cuss them out at the same time? Or like "hire new leadership because you're driving the game into the ground" kind of thing
nova sierra
@hazy palm are you posting this in all channels š
calm root
the answer is yes
nova sierra
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ripe pebble
talking about drops
we are supposed to be getting more kirks, right?
I got 3 rare uhura's IN A ROW, but not a single kirk in like 30 chances
not really complaining, just thought it curious
maiden idol
I refined 50k of 2* Crystal yesterday and got 10 uncommon. I am freaking pissed off about that! What a joke!
ripe pebble
yeah, I got 10 ore from 50k, but then I got 35 gas from 3k, go figure
seems like my gas production always using the 3k is keeping up with my ore production doing 15 and 50k's
stark girder
Enemy of the nomads
limber sparrow
@nova sierra the yield of uncommon 3* material is worse than it was before the update. Iām ops 25 doing double refines and 1 in 3 refines gives 3 units of uncommon material. This is unsustainable...
Check your code...
stark girder
Thatās true. I am refining 75k packs and not rly more uncommons then with 12k. 2-2,5 uncommons per refining. When I take a look at faction survey upgrade costs it is not realistic
rose sable
calm root
So @nova sierra after the recent update the universe is getting sparse on base resources. Do you guys keep track of how much resources are unprotected? (Or protected) at any given time? That'd be some interesting data. Like, if I was to raid every base in the game how much would I amass.
Cuz the problem with the current model of grind for a very long time, pay, or raid, this leads to eventually less people paying which means needing to raid more. Though the more raiding means people need to be able to amass rss more.
So:
Incentivize and make it worth while to spend money on resources
Give a greater boost to people who build resources from mining, missions, daily, and station to fatten the cows for whales to feed
Raise the protected and storage size so people can have a tonne of rss
onyx star
Iām ops 16 but canāt possibly fit the rss required to do the upgrades with maxed out warehouses
By 30k
keen quiver
Mine more, it will hold it
analog valley
Theyāre having a laugh if they think Iām going to donate 1.8mil dilithium to complete a mission that only give 1.3mil Parasteel as a reward!
vernal crest
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nova sierra
@limber sparrow , @stark girder , i agree. SInce they rolled back the ship changes the refinery output has significaly decreased. So much so that i had 4 times no uncommon of the 6 tripple batches i did. This has never happened before.
hahahhaah yes
@analog valley
there are a lot of such missions, keep your credit card ready š
frank heath
@nova sierra any feedback on ym question about the officers i posted the other day?
would really like to know whats being done, as you guys have made sveral passes on officers and the miportant ones that increate the mining rates still dont work...in fatc there are ZERO mining rate increases, including your lovely new survey
meager ruin
Yeah, i dont see anything but a downward trend as more and more people with borderline gambling addictions continue to outspend everyone else and then bully the other people until they quit, at which point the server becomes less and less profitable until finally they announce the game being closed down in a year and a half.
Ive seen this happen on 2 other mobile games that were poorly run.
queen ridge
@meager ruin thereās like 200 or more servers. Itād take a long time before the game closes. Long before that, servers would be combined.
white axle
wish they would combine some soon
its dead in my server could merge 4 with our population levels and still not have the population it had before xmas
calm root
If rather not. I like PvE so it's nice to only have one or two troll alliances and less competition for mining
The second they combine it's gonna suck and be a huge murder fest
vapid dust
So I see the NS has been diminished in power whatās with that since last update I spent $1200 to max it and then scopley screws me
calm root
^ this is why you shouldn't spend any money on this game, unless they do some major changes in player favour
Idk why people are still spending money other than being addicted / gambling
ebon inlet
@meager ruin I Agree
calm root
Downside of what you said is they'll just spin up new servers and the whole history of crap disappears , then the new dudes repeat the same mistakes. Do that and the game lasts a really long time until there's enough public outcry that the game needs some major balancing
vapid dust
Yeah I hear that
tranquil pollen
Please consider, Mr Scopely, a RECALL ALL button/feature. It could be in place of the inbox button, which you donāt need all the time right up front.
nova sierra
@maiden idol why do u get so less ? At level 19 I got about 30 uncommon a day for each sort of material ... lol today I got another 15 each
weary nebula
Scopely is run by mental defectives with no comprehension of the customer base what so ever. Scopely is fukcin trash, and they can't run this game for half a shit.
nova sierra
@frank heath It is still a priority - mining especially.
nova sierra
So nice they have made this game about that money wall.
upper cairn
36k of 3* Crystal refined over 1.5 days and ZERO uncommon, need 80 to upgrade lvl25 Shipyard
looks like it may take a few months to upgrade ONE building, and ships/research lol forget that
To complete two missions I need to mine 100k dil, thats going to take me around 3 days stop mining, forget the rest of the game
really exciting game Scopely !!
oh and I have another mission that requires donating 4mil dil ??
š
abstract fox
They expect you to pay out to progress. Its really killing the game for me. I need 2* uncommon crystal for ships and station upgrade but after got zero the last 3 days of refining
clear drift
hey does anyone know of any good sites or something to help locate mission start areas and that might tell ya what is required for each mission set?
languid bison
@patent bolt faction credits can be gained from faction dailies
And from killing ships for that faction
Itās a grind currently, but very possible
I do hope they ease the grind though, as it costs a lot of credits for ships, officer promotions and faction loyalty packs
patent bolt
No, u can only win faction credits for the faction u choose...not for the others
nova sierra
Correction, can get them, but need to be above 500 rep to spend them... at least i got some from missions before.
patent bolt
I did all missions available....gives u faction credits to lvl 1 officer
languid bison
That isnāt true @patent bolt, faction credits drop for a given faction when you kill their ships. You can also get faction ship blueprints for killing ships level 31+
Itās slow, but you do get them.
You can use those credits to promote officers without needing positive faction
You can use the blueprints to build their ships without needing positive faction
I think the rates at which you get them are abysmal, but you can get them and you can use them
patent bolt
I am lvl 24 and canāt kill lvl 31 hostile
There should be a clear description from which lvl u need faction credits
Players donāt know this...until they find out ...
I am killing up to lvl28 ...and never got a faction credit so far
keen meadow
@nova sierra I see the rules have been changed again. Can no longer build the Valkis even though Ive had the blue prints for months as youve now changed the ship yard requirements. I've just about had it with this game and its constant changes that actually force you backward.
upper cairn
@remote turtle yup thats the basic problem with this game, if the F2P ppl cant survive on grinding resources, then there is no way the player numbers can do anything other than dindle, once a lvl gets to high for players to buy packs, then staves itself.
F2P ppl are the bedrock of any game, and the numbers of empty abandoned cities grows exponetionally
languid bison
@patent bolt I agree with you and sympathize
@upper cairn @remote turtle šÆ this game needs to be competitive for f2p and progress needs to be reasonably achievable without buying packs. If f2p players do not play, whales will not play, thus no one will spend.
patent bolt
Thx....if I would have known this I could used my money on station, ship, or research packs....
languid bison
@patent bolt the same is true for ship upgrades. We should see the costs at each tier so we know what it will take in order to better inform our decisions and spend.
nova sierra
Ops 26 and refinery 26 doing 2xdouble batches a day and zero uncommon g3 crystal in 5 days? Am I the only one who's noticed the uncommon g3 crystal drop rate has been severely throttled recently? @nova sierra is this just shitty rng or are we again being held back by a manufactured paywall?
@nova sierra don't forget about me and my fellows!
cloud falcon
@nova sierra I have an idea for another Improvement you should make base relocation tokens available in the alliance store ....but if so plz don't make them a crazy price like maybe 300 alliance tokens or less ??
north arrow
So I have paid for mats but tritanium requirements are so high I cannot upgrade. Finding targets to raid for trit also seems near impossible. It would be amazing if basic resources could be shared or tritanium was easier to get. My progress has grinded to a halt and I have prime resources.
There doesnāt seem to be steady progression with paying just making you go faster. It feels like either pay or barely move at all.
Itās insane I canāt progress after spending $100+, so I canāt imagine how it is for f2p. You cant even pay a reasonable amount of money to have a normal experience.
balmy pier
Holy crap look at all those rss
gritty shoal
@nova sierra @potent cipher Is there anything in the pipeline to sort out the Tritanium imbalances ? Besides the fact it's all but dried up unless you're in the top 10% of the resources raided group the generation rate vs amount required to build and/or upgrade is way out of wack. Even if we wanted to sit and naturally mine/gen, it would take greater than 200 hours to do just the first tier @ level 20 on a khera assuming you have all the other parts, you're not attacked in the meantime, and you don't do any other station upgrades, repair ships ect. I understand Scopely needs a gate to encourage people to spend, but when basic resources are those gates, you really turn the player base off especially when those trit amounts are not storeable in the appropriately leveled storage facilities of your base.
calm root
Circle of life:
Scopely feeds the cows > cows feed the whales > whales feed Scopely.
The first step is not happening means we all starve. @nova sierra
robust bramble
Is this a joke any one send in a ticket on this?
maiden kite
@nova sierra @potent cipher @hexed charms when are these new ships actually getting released? Weād love to know how to actually get them instead of them just sitting there looking pretty in the ships build screen.
glacial saffron
Uh oh watch out apparently if they donāt like the truth you are speaking of they will van you from the channel!
calm root
How to cause scarcity of rss in one click. @nova sierra if a dude gets banned can his rss be divided among people left?
covert mountain
@nova sierra you and the team at scopely keep upsetting everybody with shoddy, code, in game bugs. Also with all the bother over the past week it appears you are loosing a lot of players, loo at the writing on the wall and somehow come to your senses that you are almost doing more harm than good. Also our server appears to have a lot of inactive players and it is beginning to show, what are you going to do about that.
onyx star
It would help everyone if there was only 1 server( including y'all @nova sierra @devs) to only have 1 big server... That will make bug fixes easier for you and there would be a lower visible inactive populous.
queen ridge
@onyx star 1 big server would never work. It would overload hardware and software.
@onyx star not to mention, you couldnāt cram 100,000 people into one galaxy
latent talon
@q2 I reckon you've got about 10 days to fix the game. Either balance the resources produced by the base, with those needed to build. Or reduce the number of levels a player can hit below them and introduce npc bases that can be raided instead.
You've got the data. You can see how many players are going inactive. If it's not done soon, there will be no turning back.
nova sierra
@nova sierra Not forgotten. I have no news currently however.
@maiden kite News soooooon.
frigid tree
@robust bramble I did send in a ticket for this. Its no joke and no mistake...
marble spire
@Q2 Suggestion for you guys is the game needs balancing. Too much grinding to progress. Saving up valuable resources to research only to be raided and lose it all and have to start over. Takes all the enjoyment from the game
nova sierra
@nova sierra The cost to max an "uncommon" officer is cost prohibitive. For example, I have a Romulan officer who is eligible to be promoted. In order to promote him it would cost 4600 faction credits and a commendation badge. The commendation badge makes sense -- it came with the recruit pack (or can be acquired via the faction store via faction points). But 4600 points for an uncommon officer? Rare officer, maybe. Epic officer totally understand that. But an uncommon? You may want to have them look into balancing the faction credit cost. Perhaps 1000 to max Standard. 2000 to max Uncommon. 3000 for Rare and 4500-5000 for epic.
slow vector
I'd say the costs for promotions and officer upgrades are out of whack all across the board, even for commons. A common officer at level 15 requires 50k officer xp to continue advancing. I currently have 4 officers I can't afford to promote. The drop rates for officer xp seem insanely low
nova sierra
The XP doesn't bother me as much since you can earn XP through killing hostiles, etc. The faction credits are problematic especially when they aren't your primary faction. But even then earning them through your own faction through dailies and to some extent missions would take months for an uncommon.
Effectively you need to ultra packs to promote a uncommon officer to max with some left over for another officer assuming they aren't already at the same point.
need two*
er two faction packs*
slow vector
good point. Once you're done with the missions you essentially have no way to earn faction credits for factions you don't have dailies for
nova sierra
Basically officers are like Grade 1, 2, 3, and 4 ships. The currency for upgrading them are Experience, Faction Credits, and Badges (think Parts, Uncommon, Rare). They need some of the same balancing that ships got.
analog ravine
The whole game is broken. Unfortunately I donāt see them getting their act together and the game will die. Take for example the recently released factions ships that arenāt even fully implemented. Itās a tease to keep us around.
nova sierra
They've done a mix of good and bad things. I don't think they thought through the cost progressions as well as they should have. and they did not work to support grinding out resources. I don't mind something costing 4600 credits if I can grind hostiles to get them. Just like in other games you can either buy packs or grind for what you need. You can't readily grind for certain items in this game because they put a daily cap on what you can get with valuable resources.
rose stone
I would love to know what the other rewards are... This is increasingly annoying when you need to choose an award.
nova sierra
Is that correct?
queen ridge
Yes. Correct
inner plaza
do it!
maiden kite
@potent cipher soon you say........Scopelys concept of āsoonā seems to be vastly different to the rest of the worlds. Weāve been hearing āsoonā for a long time. But all we ever get is empty promises and more and more bugs.
potent cipher
which? precisely?
winged glen
You asked when we get infos on the new ships, they say soon...they just found into the game...so whats an empty promise? I dont get it
nova sierra
@potent cipher , if you want to go specific. When will the illigitimate T2 faction ships that were handed out by support be removed. As promised per our letter sent 4 or 5 months ago, and promissed by developer keenser during the first q&a session?
@maiden kite if i interpret scopelies soon by those metrics i can conclude with certainty that: soon > 3 months
nova sierra
3 month release cycles aren't all that unheard of it. Bug fixes, however, should turn around within 2 weeks.
nova sierra
@nova sierra agreed but this is for new functionality. I dont remember when the Q&A was but its probably more than 3 months. And our letter was even longer ago. The given ships are not even a bug. Its a data correction they need todo albeit a complex one
@nova sierra almost TWO WEEKS of G3 refinement on crystals and not a single solitary uncommon never mind requiring a single rare to upgrade the northstar with. You canāt buy it nor manufacture it. There have been so many changes on resources itās almost impossible to grow even with hitting bases because requirements are way too high. 1.3M trit for a single upgrade option in a tier??? Come on! Iāve spent quite a bit of good money on this game and I would have to double my spending to even finish my current player level not to mention youāve completely blocked the northstar from growth. I know of at least 10 other players who spend money who are going to stop spending until this is fixed, and if itās not; quit playing all together. Start rolling out fixes and adjustments!
languid bison
@nova sierra later on, a single ship tier will cost $3,200 or take three years at current drop rates.
nova sierra
See q2 it's not just me...this is more than just bad rng, uc crystal rates have been throttled
Maybe @nova sierra can give an ETA on the illigitimate faction ship removal. @potent cipher seems to have given up
I neither know nor car if the throttling of g3 crystal uc drops is deliberate or a result of shoddy coding but it needs to be fixed and players need some form of compensation to get 5hem back on track.
Guys, guys. But we D'jaoki. Who needs uncommon or ship balancing or captain maneuvers. We got a guy who is a DJ put into Star Trek Game! š»
@potent cipher @nova sierra I would like to know whats the problem at the moment? Did you have not enoug developers? Did you have no idea how to solve the problems? Do you want suggestions from us? Or are you other opinion and think the game is good ad it is, because the revenue stream is good. i cant understand why the mining problem still doenst work correctly.
Klingon Khalid will keep me going.
nova sierra
maybe thats the trick, if didnt fix, you didnt need any developers. so you safe a lot of money
nova sierra
Money doesn't actually translate into bug fixing. Their current core team needs to get a handle on the issues and throwing more dev bodies at it won't do anything.
Hiring a smart technical leader that is detail and quality oriented would be good
i am not sure if there really a coding team
austere gull
not more, just devs who know what they coding
nova sierra
To pair the more...creative sort of flashy CTO they have.
i mean things like the mining bonus is not so hard
Starts at the leadership.
to change one formular
it seems a little bit chaotic. the introduce new ships, but didnt put the bp in the game
austere gull
either that or scopely, starving thier devs
nova sierra
Adding content is easy. Details are hard.
austere gull
adding devs is easy, getting a workable game seems hard.
earnest plover
talk is meaningless against theire numbers
earnest plover
short sighted management rule nr1 = its not a problem unless it's a crisis
austere gull
if i had made 400m , i sure would be having a kickass dev team, spitting out even more great workable features
you get what you pay for....
isnt that the saying
earnest plover
i am not talking about that
nova sierra
Adding more devs doesn't actually improve quality or linearly increase output. It would better to get a small and effective core team and develop them. Clash of Clans had a very small development team relative to normal games of that size. Money can't solve it -- you need to recruit and retain and have the right leadership
earnest plover
i dont care about that
nova sierra
You can't golden handcuff really good devs
austere gull
could be them, but cbs isnt the ones programing the game
earnest plover
like the mining rate bugs...
nova sierra
its like disney and ea last year with the lootboxes
earnest plover
its not a bug
its absolutly intentional
as seen with theire laughable arguments of the website
sure yeah... the 5000 farm/h was a bug and never meant.. the new 2000 is the right one. Just ignore the fact that you will never ever farm enough to build even on building after 20 with farming
thats why its right.. 100% intentional
everything else is lies
read interviews with ex employees
earnest plover
i am sure though that review regarding employment and intervew regarding the art of handling customers and strategy is a lil different
meager ocean
Fix the Kehra, fix the Kehra, fix the Kerha. Tons of people have maxed tiers Kehras changed into garbage. Where is the fix you promised?
warm wolf
@meager ocean what fix are you referring to?
rapid marsh
Is it my imagination or are the ship mining boosts not even working anymore? IE envoy isn't giving a boost to Trit mining anymore. Not just the officers broken
meager ocean
@warm wolf do you think it's normal to have a full upgraded tier VI kehra now with 50% power of a not upgraded tier IV Kumari???
bitter wagon
@nova sierra I just saw the relo tokens in the alliance store! Thank you thank you thank you!!!! ššššššššā¤ļøā¤ļøā¤ļøā¤ļø
nova sierra
22hr cooldown per token lol
bitter wagon
Iām fine with that @nova sierra
nova sierra
@bitter wagon Really? (Checks store). Woot!
Yes, I have been mentioning it to the team, glad you have it now. š
languid bison
@nova sierra Past level 22, this game doesnāt reward time invested. Mining rss rates are slow, mat refining rates are super low, killing hostiles results in higher repair costs that arenāt offset by resources gained. Basically the only thing that has a return is either buying rss and mats for money, or stealing rss from other people who have bought it. For someone who doesnāt like stealing other peopleās hard earned money, it just creates a sense of resentment toward your team for forcing that decision. There need to be better rewards for time invested vs money invested, or most of the player base will lose interest since their greatest resource is time and not money. This is coming from a player who does pay for this game and would like to see the community thrive vs dwindle.
nova sierra
@languid bison Ill be honest, as a player, I have not found this too much as I close on level 24 (not massive spender, but have been playing for about 5 months on the founder server). From what I hear I am creeping up on a hard spot - and I am not levelling everything before stepping up like I used to - but still progress hasn't been too bad with minimal PVP.
Clearly, not dismissing your experience and will feed back. I know have certainly been hit HARD by people of a similar level who have poured a lot more into ships and officers than me. Plus my server is quite quiet helping with mining etc. Where do you find the bottle neck for yourself?
languid bison
Iām level 32. I spend through it. Most just quit around 22+ it seems. At about level 26, I had to start spending in order to acquire the uncommon mats required to advance. It gets to be in the hundreds and thousands, and I refine about 3 per batch. Hostiles at about 28+ no longer give more resources than your ships require to repair. I mined 6k dilithium last night and needed 14k just to repair one ship once today. You will probably start to encounter it. My concern is less for me and more for the people on my server who are leaving by the dozen daily. I donāt really need to advance any farther because the herd doesnāt really have the option or avenue to catch up now.
I spend because I like the game. I donāt bully other players, because I like when other people like the games I like. But seeing them quit because they canāt generate enough resources to play is rough.
dusty rampart
I have to agree, around 20+ the game really slows down. I am at 22. No missions left I can do, mainly mining. Raiding other players getting harder (not many with rss to steal now). Our galaxy top alliances now have policy of not attacking miners (much) because so many lower people are leaving that they are losing targets they can hit. And uppers are so much stronger you have to stay shielded (which further discourages attacks and slows down game). Its not dead, but I see and hear lots leaving in the 19-23 range. Its mainly the spenders staying to justify the money they have invested.
I would also add there are LOTS of dead mining spots in systems now in our Galaxy. I cannot see why they donāt get fixed. (Looks like a locked database record or something.)
Levels 1-9 a missions game, 10-14 ship battles, 15-19 base attacks, 20+ mining game and crush smaller players because you are desperate for resources to keep the game moving along. Its slower with not much upside (new ships) - you need to pay a lot of $ to enjoy it. But you need free players too for the paying players to attack.
indigo comet
Will not be long before server merg and then dead
nova sierra
@nova sierra , about those freebee faction ships...
dusty rampart
Ugg
nova sierra
I expect nothing less...
pseudo dagger
My office steve ajkori or whatever his name has disappeared. I thought he would be around 7 days?
patent bolt
@nova sierra ...thx for making relocation token available in alliance shop
elfin fog
patent bolt
Thx...this very helpful
maiden kite
@nova sierra I was referring to the āsoonā for the new faction ships
patent bolt
@languid bison @dusty rampart: I c the same on our server....2/3 of the players quit....because the feel they can only progress by spending money....just as an illustration ...just to pass Kehra T4 u need 340 uncommon crystals......equal to 4 ultra ship packs.
Additionally pasteel costs go thru the roof from lvl 22 onwards....most ppl are also short on Dilithium...since repair costs increase significantly.....hence, every newer ppl is raided as soon as they reach lvl 15 or higher because everyone is craving resources like vampires blood....that causes frustration among lower lvl player and they quit.
It would help if required resources are decreased to realistic amounts...then there would be less raiding.....hence less quitting....also more active players mean also more revenues....
patent bolt
That is what I mean....
nova sierra
Ignoooooooring me @nova sierra , those faction ships wont dissapear on their own...
nova sierra
@nova sierra our server is quiet?What planet are you living in? The top 5 alliances are at war... or have you missed that. Alliances are cannibalizing their own because the resource constraints are so high..did you miss that too?
Nice to know you're at lvl 23 though š
you wont get to mine much more
languid bison
@nova sierra do you know what this resource exchange is? Are you guys testing out a sort of market?
I had the option to exchange 1,000 parsteel for 1,000 parsteel. Like the shrewd businessman I am, I did it.
dusty rampart
I gave it 100 parsteel and I think it gave me 100 back... so my theory is it is for money laundering...
dusty rampart
You feel less guilty afterwards about all that parsteel you had to raid from lower level players in order to progress any further in the game.
languid bison
Yeah you can honestly say āI donāt have your parsteelā
thorn osprey
Lol
marsh rivet
@nova sierra I have no chat and no dailys for 2 days now, no response from in game help
maiden kite
@nova sierra can you please pass on a message at your next round table meeting - currently you have an extremely frustrated and angry player base, introducing an update with a useless sponsored character and ships which we canāt actually build yet just seems like a move aimed specifically at pissing players off even more.
Not having a go at you personally by any means but Scopely seriously needs to address the hundreds of bugs in this game before adding useless sponsor content.
All we ever hear is ācoming soonā, or weāre working on it. But it never actually happens.
Simple code fixes to mining rates, officer bonuses, ship building economy etc etc etc seem absolutely impossible for the company to deliver. If there is no immediate (next week time period) moves to have these new faction ships useable then donāt shove them in our faces when weāre already extremely frustrated.
And if I can throw in a personal request lol. Please please please reduce the tritanium rates needed lol.
patent bolt
@languid bison ..everybody is wondering....an official website with explanations would be extremely helpful
languid bison
Yeah definitely
plush bay
Iām level 28 and every time I refine it want to choke a mfāer
cloud falcon
@nova sierra HELL YEA GUYS THX FOR THE ALLIANCE STORE TOKENS!!!!! DOIN GREAT
lavish sedge
In that case you could choke yourself?
languid bison
Donāt choke yourself. We need all the players we can get at this point.
plush bay
@nova sierra you arenāt quite there yet to experience the bottleneck. Itās coming in the next 2 levels. Then 1 more level and you will get the full effect
light orchid
Who the hell comes up with these mission objectives? Yes letās cost players one of the rarest materials in exchange for LESS of the most common.
Yet another mission I refuse to finish, canāt drop, and likely prevents me from future missions.
plush bay
It is impossible to progress with the mats demand the math falls apart and it all breaks
calm root
I'm sorry but What? How does that make any sense?
(That second paragraph)
"the cost equals the level"
how about, the cost equals your max?
green linden
I agree with balancetheeconomy
Raiding bases should be optional, not a requirement to advance to the next level
Raiding should be something people want to do to upgrade their ships or to upgrade their bases quicker.
calm root
Yeah it should be an option, but not the only option (besides paying)
green linden
Btw, balancing the economy INCLUDES cutting back the ship upgrade costs and cutting back the repair bill.
chrome cradle
The screenshots werenāt a conversation with me but to another alliance member of mine that got posted to our alliance discord page that kind of pissed me off. I do not want this type of player on the same server Iām playing on. Hopefully action is taken @nova sierra
austere coral
Balance the Economy!!!! 2.2 million oarsteel for a dilithium vault upgrade??? Cmon now. You can't even sustain leveling through raiding like that.
Buff mining
So there's actually resources to raid.
main charm
dont worry rise soon to more then 8 mio u need
austere coral
The problem is the refineries should never stop. Or mining needs a buff. No one has resources to raid. It takes all day to mine and you still won't have anything....
main charm
i know. i just gave up they want do anything about that. cause then u dont need to enter the shop
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austere coral
Bingo
calm root
My name please @nova sierra and happy Valentine's day!
nova sierra
@nova sierra unlikely
nova sierra
@languid bison Holding spot for a new feature - no more news atm though.
@cloud falcon HA! Glad you enjoying them.
@maiden kite Thanks Miss! Yup, it will be at the round table (disclaimer, the table is not actually round).
@plush bay š
@calm root Thanks! And I hear ya.
@white axle Pleasure.
molten light
@Q2 it's obvious the table isn't round. The people at the round table were there to make things good for the populace... ššš
calm root
@nova sierra would it be possible to add an indicator somewhere that showed how much rss is protected? If you have certain upgrades you can somewhat calculate a number but it depends on how the math is done.
@nova sierra at the same time, is there any plan to increase protection or storage size? Both are very tiny in comparison to what you need and the higher level you get the more useless they become
white axle
@nova sierra do you know if missions are going to get some attention, at the moment there's many missions people just dont want to do because it costs more to do them than you game. Doing missions should really leave you worse off especailly the ones asking for things like 20mil dil for parasteel in return
dusty violet
@nova sierra Have the devs considered removing the limit on resources, so that generators are always functioning and useful? One of the biggest bummers in the game right now is building any of the three generator types, because I haven't even collected from them in like two months. I even bought the 100% resource generation prime but it was the equivalent of flushing money down the drain because I never get to use it. It would be awesome, and good for both F2P and paying players, to be able to actually click those little suckers on a semi-regular basis.
pallid peak
I know you are busy but are we going to get an announcement today about how to earn the lvl 26 ships and a weekend event?
nova sierra
@nova sierra @potent cipher you guys need to realise that much of the playerbase is frustrated and disillusioned right now...maybe not the best time to tease inco about faction rep, if you have something to announce then announce it already.
potent cipher
announcement will come when all is wrapped and ready.
but we feel strong highlighting as of now the focus on building faction rep still.
pallid peak
Is that likely sometime today JB?
potent cipher
more like next week š
pallid peak
Ok cool thanks for the update
nova sierra
If I was to hazard a guess we may be looking at a faction event for prints for the new ships.
Nope it's mining...because we don't do enough of that already š®
Great, mining event in the middle of the biggest war my server has seen
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regal loom
@nova sierra I like the additional Discord channels. Cheers!
pallid peak
I thought the same thing š. I guess not
lapis kraken
I need 1 Rare 3* star crystal to upgrade my NS and cannot buy one in the store nor get one to drop in the refinery over the past 4 weeks. What gives scopely???
pallid peak
Welcome to the club š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£
calm root
@potent cipher what's this??? You're not listening to the community, you're listening to Spotify š® (hahaha jkjkjk)
calm root
Are you killing me off? š®
hahaha
(I do appreciate you dudes, though the level of salt in these channels may not show it.)
dusty violet
@potent cipher I appreciate you guys too! Any thoughts on uncapping resources like I'd mentioned earlier?
nova sierra
@nova sierra @potent cipher would like to thank Q2 for all the stuff he has done to help bring the game along. It hasnāt been easy but we are trying to go in the right direction . Thanks again Q2
nova sierra
So...the guy who ignored us while listening to music, is the new "boss"? Talk about failing upwards!
@nova sierra i am sorry to see you leave. You actually seemed to care...
calm root
haha, I was just joking. Heck I listen to spotify all the time at work
sounds like they're working on a long term replacement, JB is just covering
thorny ridge
People complaining about 2.2m par for upgrade wait till itās 350m par for a statin upgrade or like for my enterprise or gladius 547m for 1 component upgrade , completely unattainable and those figures doubled from what they were prior to last āfixā
plush bay
Iām level 28 and so stuck because I canāt get 600 uncommon ore for one upgrade. Fix fkn refining or just say you wonāt. If you are waiting on your AI algorithm to tell you when you should. It is biased and a POS
Refining sucks. Itās roulette and worse, a fixed game of roulette.
3 rounds of 25k grade 3 and. One output of 10 uncommon gas
I hate it. I hate refining. Itās stupid. @potent cipher there is no fun or joy in the mining to refine mechanic. None. Zero. Itās worse than the āgo kill 5k shipsā stuff
Itās not even a grind @potent cipher itās just stupid dumb luck but required to progress. The refining is the only structure that has no detail of progression. No rating given of anything. So you upgrade but have no idea what that gets you. STUPID
Iād like to do that with Scopelys developers. Hey! Itās payday! Check your bank account and see what you got this period. Itās a damn good thing I canāt control that
Just guarantee an outcome like you do with your store. We can then argue in game economy. There is no player economy
indigo comet
@plush bay easy on the salt others need some
nova sierra
We have too many ships of the same kind. we want to merge the same ship to lvl up. This would be great or it will always end up in garage catching dust.
worldly jacinth
Please provide more Ship XP during combat and in crates. Officer XP far outpaces Ship XP, and it would be nice if they were more aligned.
quasi anchor
The balancing in this game is well off. Personally I think it should be balanced on power and not levels over who can target who.
normal viper
Is it intended to be able to hit someones miner when they are on an ore and pop their base shield? They can then be base raided with no shield up.
daring hornet
@normal viper base shield only protects your base, not miners on nodes. They'd be way overpowered if you could pop a shield and be untouchable for everything
junior hedge
Hello, tell me what requirements for R&D level20? fgas 3star?
elfin rivet
So what do we do now? No achievable missions - unless you pay.
No ship upgrades - unless you pay
No daily kills because set to hight - unless you pay to upgrade ship's.
No building or research due to excessive rss cost - unless you pay.
Really need achievable goals to stay interested and maybe higher level players should only be able to hit 1 level above and below would save a lot of people quitting? But another game that's only interested in making money not the player experience!!
calm root
Tear down the pay wall!
uneven pagoda
The whole f_ing game is still bugged like the refining glitches, the dead RSS nodes WTF Scopely? When are you going to fix the fking game and stop adding stupid stuff to the game?
brittle quarry
@nova sierra the legendary North Star upgrade pack is bullshit because it doesnāt have any rare crystal inside. What sort of upgrade should that be if you are stuck again?
solemn coral
the north star is defined wrong anyways, c'mon, 3000 cargo ?
even the model you get shows way more containers than the esc series, and comparing class equal vessels tells me, it should be around 105k
dry gale
Really now?
So, my daylis are lower than they should be and I can't have information on what a research does?
inner plaza
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inland jetty
why does this game crash 4 times an hour on my iPad?
arctic kelp
PvP balancing is way off and unfair.. my 30k ships are getting blasted by 200-300k+ ships how is that even fair
onyx star
This is rediculous... 80k+ power vs >50k power... that should never happen
onyx star
Ugh...
solemn coral
you are an early bird being on server 015
or users where cleared up š
seeing your level
odd berry
@onyx star why not u grow a lot every lvl and there is always an option to shield youre base/move or dont have so manny RSS in base so u wont be likely to be attacked
pallid osprey
Monitor the chat boards. We have people making vulgar threats. Explicit sexual comments. Antisemitic comments. You name it. No mods. Reports are jokes. Nothing is done
solemn coral
@pallid osprey , they do something, it's just taking very long to process them manually, if you also block them, you should see deleted-<playerid> as name after a while if dealt with
at least, thats what I see with reported spambots
cerulean mural
Level 28 refinery, 3 runs of 75k, so 225k of g3 ore and zero rare. @nova sierra Come on man.
twilit slate
@cerulean mural Q2 is not the person to ask anymore, look in announcements.
plush bay
We need faction credit requirements dropped to a reasonable level for officers and ship requirements if the only sources are faction missions or purchase from store if you require credits from hostile factions. The exchange rate of Latium to faction credit is ridiculous. I have killed 4,872 hostiles and never had a faction credit drop to the best of my knowledge. Iām asking because I want to play a game. Not be your alpha or beta tester
broken osprey
@potent cipher Why is Lixar full of G2 nodes so far into Klingon Space?
onyx bay
Watched a level 29 with 200k+ ships smashing a level 22 base tonight. The balance in the game is way, way off, and newer players are bailing before they spend any money. Its weird to watch a game die day by day. (I mention money as its the only thing Scopely cares about)
naive garden
it only dies day by day in your eyes
and on your very, extremely limited server
they are still landing new players
nova sierra
Landing new players yeah...keeping them past lvl15-24? Not so much. As soon as the massive disparity in pvp becomes apparent and the g2/3 paywalls go up a lot of players up and leave.
austere coral
Hello. I'm disabled missing my dominant hand. It would really make my game play easy if you would make the game accept input from Samsung Spen.
odd nacelle
Alliance mining events are geared only to make the strong alliances stronger. They monopolize the mines and kick everyone off. No chance for others to event compete so why bother?
nova sierra
In our server we are solely the leading alliance and most of the top dogs in the solo event are not our players. One who gets knocked off from mines is usually us.
Thereās a significant difference how things seem to be and how things actually are, most of the cases the latter is different than the story told...
cloud torrent
This has to stop, game economy is going to tell. I'm tired of quests asking me for rss. 20m Dilithium, by the time I get enough to reach that amount, if I ever, why would I give it away for these rewards ?
@JB.Scopely#9234 you NEED to change rss generation, storage and costs in this game or people will stop playing.
You can fix bugs, you can add contend, new bugs will appear but we can manage all that.
Main PROBLEM of this game is the economy makes NO SENSE at all and eventually it gets so SLOW and HARD to gather the amount of resources needed that people will just quit because the only way to get them is paying, which would be ok too but even with real money its VERY EXPENSIVE.
I will propose you some changes that will make the game better for everyone and I think most people will agree:
Make us able to generate and store enough resources to level our base and ships, we don't need to generate them in a short time but we NEED to be able to do so, as economy and buildings are right now, generators and storages are USELESS.
Tweak refinery to be fixed and not random, that way we can estimate when and how much minerals do we need to get where we want and what we want, its simply not enough, you already tweaked it twice but it's NOT ENOUGH, some upgrades will take months or even a year as they are right now.
Fix research station and ship tree, some maths dont add and it's frustrating after you spend your rss on a upgrade to find out it doesn't work.
Add correct tooltips to buildings and ships, specially refinery. (For real)
We have many docks but we can only repair one ship at a time, make is able to repair as many ships as free docks we have.
Add contested mining spawns to systems, I know it's in your plans, just do it.
Stop adding content that you promote but then after patch it isn't there aka faction ships.
Stop adding content that you promote but then after patch it isn't there aka faction ships.
Fix your packs, they are all almost the same, there is not a big difference between them and you don't really make offers.
Stop giving ship blueprints for real money, it unbalances a game that's already unbalanced more.
Fix pathfinding of ships, it's frustrating to try to PvP someone and be able to hit him only if he wants to be hit because your ship comes and goes but doesn't show where you exactly are. Also make us able to hit player in the 4 secs warp window.
Fix officers, they should be fixed long ago. If they are broken, tag them as broken or not working and take them out of the game until you fix them.
Add armadas, really, we NEED armadas so we can attack those bases, also it's stupid to not be able to attack something that's being attacked. Why can't I attack a station or ship at the same time than another player ? I have to wait until combat ends.
And once again, fix economy and refinery. It's unsustainable long term as it is right now and it's game main problem.
Make us able to store more , generate enough to make those buildings worth and fix our protected amounts, because as it is right now it makes no sense.
I could go on detail and add more reasons why I think this will fail in the long run but honestly, economy is the main one.
If you care about your players you have to fix this and be more transparent with us, most of us feel ignored and blind since we don't know where the game is going and you guys don't give us any info.
Please read this and tell us what you think. š
@potent cipher
solemn coral
you don't need armada's, you folks are fine at the moment, hitting level 15 bases with level 19 ships because that is allowed
I suggest they should fix the power imbalance first, changing PvP battles to be limited to -1/+any your level
you folks are getting drilled to piss of lower level users who are unable to defend themself decently against it
if you do not understand that this game is only about the money...
carmine jay
And yet, here you are... and yeah, name a business that isnt about the money. Last i checked scopely is not a registered charity. You have a choice, play, not play. Spend not spend. Come on discord and be positive or just whine and moan.
Game is far from perfect and is not free to play friendly. That is not new news
solemn coral
and why you think I am here ?
carmine jay
I have no idea, if I hated the game enough winge and moan on its discord id be playing something else
solemn coral
I don't hate the game, I hate the fact how the game is being treated
carmine jay
Yours is decent imo @cloud torrent
cloud torrent
Nobody pointing a gun at our heads to play this
carmine jay
Not that I have the final say on these things, its just the moaning that gets me
solemn coral
it is very simple, if you know what you coded, you do not need weeks in order to fix a bug
carmine jay
I mean, just play something else?
solemn coral
how long does the mining bug exist?
carmine jay
Do you run / own a dev house @solemn coral ? Do you have a product on the app store?
solemn coral
I have other products, not on mobile department
carmine jay
Do you really think they want to piss off their playerbase?
solemn coral
I maintain blacklists for example
carmine jay
Then you should know that this is not simple
solemn coral
if you know your code, it is
if you point me to a bug in one of my 'products' I immediately know where to look
carmine jay
Well, having led teams that run transactions in the billions, I can tell you things are not as simple as the layman seems to think. And as you appear to have some knowledge, id expect you to know better.
That said, if you believe you have all the answers, reach out to digit as I have no doubt they will pay good money for someone who can breeze in, take a look at the code and fix everything over night š¬
Till then, we either need to be patient and constructive or play something else.
solemn coral
I did offer my help, even said that signing an NDA would be no problem, they refused
I am here because helpshift pointed me here in order to get in touch with devs and the community manager
and about pissing off players, yes, I think thats partially intentional in the hopes of people spending money in order to no longer get bullied by certain high level players
which fits perfectly in the 'pay2win' method most freemium games use
unreal finch
@solemn coral these bastards are to concerned with profit and bs to care
@potent cipher what the fuck is wrong with refine rates
solemn coral
I doubt any official is alive today
unreal finch
I went from reasonable uncommon refined to jack shit
solemn coral
they are probably sitting at the californian beach drinking cocktails paid with our money
unreal finch
Most likely
wheat oak
we need a #venting channel