But i have ask refund for purchase made in October
#š¬-general-feedback
long kayak
nova sierra
long kayak
We'll start saving for rise it's coming soon
nova sierra
Guys no messing from Google full refund
I have 6 of these for the 600 spent
Google are pissed with scopely
mint jasper
@nova sierra Was that older than 48 hours too?
nova sierra
Yes goes back to January 14th
radiant fox
@mint jasper i got the same for dec. But question is how much you buy... as is see it looks like 100eur limit
But not confirmed.
brave quail
Lol wandering if alot of people askin for the money back
nova sierra
Just under 100 pound had to phone them though
glacial fossil
In the future it would be nice to see what is in your cargo holds of the ships
nova sierra
@nova sierra @potent cipher @nova sierra i think we can say this new update has made the game far worse than before.
- kehra is now not worth the bother
- g3 minerals still too difficult to accumulate
- g3 ships now need insane levels of trit to upgrade
- many of the main bugs such as nodes not respawning, ships stuck in warp, ships no loner being able to warp to systems they used to be able to and many other annoying bugs still remain unfixed
no wonder people are requesting refunds from google pay and apple pay
at this rate this game will get dropped from both app stores soon
signal nova
How could i get refund entirely? Purchases of dezember and february were refunded. But google denied to refund the purchases of january?
mint jasper
Call Google Play Support.
nova sierra
they refund only upto 100 euros anything more they wont which is why most games charge 105 now
signal nova
Till now 350 refund. But the others not
zinc osprey
In the US, Google won't refund anything that is over 48 hours long
You guys are lucky you live in more civilized places
radiant fox
Amurica!
nova sierra
yeah usa suck for consumer rights
rose sable
sooooooooooo @nova sierra where is my system "share" feature that was ssuppposed to happen?
nova sierra
lol likely both app stores blocked the new app due to all the refunds
signal nova
They refund 3 x 99,99ā¬ and 1 x 49,99ā¬
Back to dezember.
Better than nothing but i want at least the refund from 2x 99,99ā¬
nova sierra
I didn't push my luck, but I'm phoning tomorrow again and demanding a full refund, telling them that I have been scammed
mint jasper
Okay, so if you call Google Play support, choose an option related to "trouble making a purchase" to speak to a live agent.
Provide your identifying information upon request, and let them know that you are seeking special intervention for a refund, and you are aware that your purchases are past the regular 48-hour windows.
Tell them exactly this: "The developer of the application has updated their app so that it invalidates and removes all prior in-app purchases"
They may put you on hold and talk to a "specialist".
Be polite. Try using a soft-spoken voice
They're more likely to advocate for you in that case.
Don't demand a refund. Ask nicely.
weary minnow
Apple store immediately denies a refund after submitting it with this info:
The game developers have released an update which has nullified my purchase, They have not offered any reason or compensation for the changes, and are not responding to any attempts to contact them. The game is unplayable. I would request a refund in line with my consumer rights under the misale of goods.
weary minnow
I'm betting Apple has the app blocked at the moment
twilit slate
Woken up to too many messages in this channel lol
Why are people in their droves seeking refunds?
mint jasper
Shit update
twilit slate
I haven't jumped on yet, what got nerfed?
weary minnow
Update broke the game. Everything.
weary minnow
Like, Venezuela-size cost of shit
mint jasper
bugs galore
nova sierra
@mint jasper will do mate good advice, sometimes I get emotional lol
brave quail
I hope i get my money tomorow im from Denmark any from Denmark her?
astral zephyr
Iām all for good bug fixes but damn, I put in$ that I probably couldāve held back for the Kehra ship for me to go back 3 lvls.
mint jasper
@brave quail Isn't Denmark in the European Economic Area?
brave quail
Yes
mint jasper
Because refunds are ez mode in EEA
nova sierra
as a tier2 customer support i can tell you always be polite, if you are polite we will do more to help you, if you scream and have tantrums its less likely
nova sierra
denmark is eu
empty shell
I got 400 dollars of re-funds back so far ... and I will continue to ask them .
nova sierra
full member and uses euros
empty shell
I just got it over PC by regular form request . All 4 got accepted and already shows in my gplay purchases as canceled.
Yeah , same
brave quail
Rules of Acquisition #1: Once you have their money, you never give it back
nova sierra
@potent cipher @q2, thanks for rendering my borthas and kvort useless.
empty shell
ah allright , my got accepted ... after I described the situation... Also my 1st time re-fund request and thousands and thousands of $ spent helped .
dusk cape
Anyone get refunds from apple?
nova sierra
@nova sierra
empty shell
@nova sierra they nerfed Borthas?
empty shell
Noooo that was my next bjective... I think I will delete this game after I get all re-funds
nova sierra
lol scopely must be in a board meeting crying about all the refunds
sweet elm
They nerfed the players in order to make you pay to get back to where you were
severe badge
They screwed the kehra over. Once again making it harder for a non spender to defend himself.
sweet elm
Im definitely playing rise to power when it's released. Maybe we can all migrate there
ebon thistle
yea Kehra got screwed , games screwed
severe badge
I busted my butt to get the kehra up and they lowered the strength. They didn't even make it easier to upgrade
sweet elm
Then the cylons atta
nova sierra
220k kehra
upper cairn
ouch
empty shell
@nova sierra I got your point I am sorry that you spend $ on faction credits and time on farming those points and Kumari > Bortas... I am in process of doing the same .. @nova sierra I know you are only CM but please try to make devs aware of the situation.
I think refunds will make them aware of situation
nova sierra
lol i think they need to give everyone a free upgrade pack to max their kehras
empty shell
And then what
severe badge
Agreed lol
nova sierra
@empty shell i skipped the kumari, thinking. Why upgrade kumari a faction ship must be stronger
Riiiiight
empty shell
SAME! Lol i did exactly same
nova sierra
my envoy is stornger than my kehra now
empty shell
I was strategizing and went resource sosst effective as much as possible
nova sierra
2 updates later. Lets tripple the kumari
empty shell
Yeah ...
nova sierra
The kumari is stronger in tier 6 then the fcking D4
Or enterprise
kehra 40k envoy 43k
empty shell
well.. when I get my money beck I will delete this game ... and probably will never play Scopely game again.
empty shell
multiple picard facepalm so true
nova sierra
Hahaa indeed
ebon thistle
The Star Trek Fleet Command team wants to continue to refine and improve the money we can make off this game. We know there are other issues you would also like addressed but we will like to continue making more issues that the fan base dont like just so our whales spend 5000$ over night
nova sierra
Nop its over
@ebon thistle they are losing money, so many players requesting refunds from google play support and apple pay
Not spending another euro on this game
ebon thistle
they arent losing anything
for that 200 dollar refund you got a whale just spent 5000
empty shell
@nova sierra Made same decision last week , when I wrote some feedback to them
nova sierra
And man i whaled this game
i doubt it whales will even spend after today
Too bad, tought it had potential
ebon thistle
a lot of whales are spending as we speak
empty shell
Me too ... totally whaled it
Yeah let them spend more... There are people with infinite cash bags .. and no common sense at all
nova sierra
if google play support reach a certian quote of refunds they will just block payments for this game
inner plaza
i dont know if you realize but.. refunds are not paid by scopely lol
empty shell
I asked them to do so @nova sierra
ebon thistle
and thats all the company cares about the 1% with infinite cash bags
inner plaza
you are getting your moeny from google and scopely wont notice
bitter wagon
@nova sierra you know what would be awesome? A way to dethrone an inactive admiral.
empty shell
@inner plaza when their in-app purchases will be canceled by Google they will notice
ebon thistle
yea and the refunds are paid by scopely they are paid by apple and google...if apple or google want their money back then they have to take scopely to court , which then they would have to get around the companys TOS in order to win
nova sierra
then blacklist payments for the game
ebon thistle
actually they dont bill scopley they have to take them to court to recover it
nova sierra
But google can deny service to scopely i suspect
there is contractual agreements if a game is posted in apple sotre or google store they have to pay the refunds
empty shell
450$ re-funded , asking for more!
inner plaza
this is about paid apps @mint jasper
nova sierra
@mint jasper yup thats it
mint jasper
@inner plaza Read lower
With the new API, you can check which users have refunded or charged back in-app purchases in order to claw back those items for that user in your app or game. This change helps to deter abusive behavior and will make the ecosystem fairer for all users.```I wish i had a google acaunt insted of aple
inner plaza
the interesting part is With the new API, you can check which users have refunded or charged back in-app purchases in order to claw back those items for that user in your app or game.
nova sierra
i think most players that got refunds are done with this game anyways
inner plaza
i dont think so
you would stop playing after getting all your money back? for what reason?
twilit slate
New api, you mean the new update last night?
ebon thistle
most games ban you when y ou get a refund
brave quail
I lile the game i dont like the updates
nova sierra
cos scopely can take back all the items
nova sierra
leaving you withe negative rss
twilit slate
Oh ok
ebon thistle
the problem is some of the calls for refunds mainly the you nerfed my ship and made this one stronger calls , if google actual did their jobs , the refunds wouldnt be given because the TOS for the game covers it , most TOS agreements have a line that says we reserve the right to make any and all changes............ect ect ect. not supporting the changes or the company
nova sierra
yes but if people bought packs to upgrade ships then they take away the benefits of what they bought then it invalidates their purchases
i suspect scopley will reverse the changes made to the kehra
but the damage may already be done
im not spending anymore money on this game only to have it all nerfed
@nova sierra I couldnāt agree more. They have invalidated what you bought.....end of story. Customer help is zero. Send messages and go in answered.....therefore claim refund
ebon thistle
no it doesnt invalidate the purchases because they were given the items they paid for .
nova sierra
Un answered *
ebon thistle
i think they royally messed up the update and destroyed some ships
mint jasper
It's a bait-and-switch invalidation
nova sierra
At the time yes but they then took it back.
dry summit
@ebon thistle but the characteristics of the good has changed and do not match the good that the money was paid for
nova sierra
@mint jasper yup
languid bison
T4 Kumari better than T5 bortas. Purchase totally invalidated. They are killing whales.
strange reef
Still not a single word about the patch and all what they have screwed over?
languid bison
It is at T2 not T4
inner plaza
that is real š
languid bison
T4 is real
mint jasper
I mean the armor 111K ain't true
inner plaza
it is, its just bugged for t1 and t2
strange reef
Then lets, use the iOS AR function guys
inner plaza
armor showed > 300k for t1 and t2 which was buggy, but t4 shows correct
strange reef
Its awesome and the only thing that does actually work. The fucking AR function
languid bison
@mint jasper it is real at T4
strange reef
Woopwoop
nova sierra
@languid bison i got the same setup. I skipped the kumari for the borthas
languid bison
Yeah we got screwed
ebon thistle
thats stupid why would they make the Kumari stronger than a higher tier borthas
languid bison
I like to view all of my invalidated purchases in AR
strange reef
Please do not break the AR function in the next update
sweet elm
So you have to pay through the nose to make the bortas worth the trouble or able to compete
strange reef
I repeat: Do not nerf the AR function next update
inner plaza
i might look stupid, but what is the AR button for?
strange reef
Nothing bothersome
nova sierra
Automatic refund
sweet elm
Lol
strange reef
But they care to answer questions on AR over answerring questions over what really matters
So now I am making fun of it
nova sierra
Hahahaha and rigjtfully so
cant sell in app purchases on apple store without the AR button
Their first mistake, server migrztiion with loss of rss
strange reef
I bet next update is going to give us AR packs for 59,99 to upgrade it
Or make it available on android for 109,99
nova sierra
Second mistake, give random compensations. People who lost tons and spent tons of money get few rss. Some get faction ships. Others serverd get 20k uncomon g3
strange reef
But you have to buy other packs first
nova sierra
Third mistake, halve all the uncommon amounts for building upgrzdes
And final mistake. Lower ship upgrades and render purchased faction ships obsolete
The only thing what we realy wantet was more uncommon from refinery. More mines and less powerfull hostiles
Hahahaha
@strange reef hahahahaha
An ar pack. Wich contains 5 AR tokens
Everytime you watch a ship i' n AR you will spend one
ebon thistle
they need to roll back this update and go back to the drawing board literately a T4 Kumari is stronger than a T5 borthas ( thats stupid) , they made faction killing impossible and daily missions impossible
strange reef
Yes and they do literally nothing. Because a day later an update will be there
Which will completely wipe out the use of the AR function and so the AR tokens
Thank god I bought 5 packs
nova sierra
And whales will have purchased a ton of AR tokens
But because of the update there will be no more AR
strange reef
I just said that lol š
nova sierra
Then scopely will have to compensate
nova sierra
By trading the AR tokens for holliday tokens
languid bison
Scopely gave me 135 latinum
strange reef
Or maybe a fresh mine near your base with 1k parsteel
Or
i dunno some other random shit maybe
nova sierra
So you can win 100k steel hahahaha @strange reef indeed
strange reef
Which does not compensate at all for the cause
languid bison
$0.01
languid bison
Scopely pennies
nova sierra
Hahahahaha
languid bison
Thatās our compensation
nova sierra
Cracking up here hahahaha š
strange reef
I dont know what ātriicordersā is but it seems more rare than dilithium, cause ive never seen it
And never needed it
So another crap thing to get
languid bison
Sorry for ruining your faction ship. Hereās a Scopely penny. Wish we could do more. Please buy another pack.
strange reef
Scopely penny here, scopely penny there. Hey, they are everywhere
nova sierra
Aaah maybe not on your server
strange reef
So they are not that valuable
nova sierra
This may only be for the original beta server players
When the first migration happened
We lost enormous amounts of rss
Depending on the lvl you were, you got tricorders
strange reef
Ah ok
nova sierra
I think i got 75k or something
strange reef
I have seen that, just didnāt know how to get that stuff
Maybe I do have some. No idea how to use it
nova sierra
Missions but you only get one or 2 hahahaha
strange reef
Right
bold sentinel
What do you do with tricorders
strange reef
Donāt forget to use the only non-bugged, non-nerfed, working function. AR šš
Bye bye for now
nova sierra
š
Got over Ā£238 refunded
Me 400 eur
How?
In my case there is written i cant refund
twilit mesa
one sec ill get
nova sierra
XD
celest loom
Or think of all the other possibilities
nova sierra
Guys I contacted my card provider Barclays bank and they have also refunded all purchase under the card protection scheme and are treating it as a scam
zinc osprey
@nova sierra Couldn't Google cut your account if you do this?
nova sierra
Let them, I'm not getting scammed, Google to be fair have refunded so much, they told me to contact developer which I have, if I don't receive a response I have to call Google tomorrow
What did u wrote for a reason?
worn pebble
See you all soon š
celest loom
I donāt have that in the app store
worn pebble
Beta close on Android
shell arrow
Good luck.
dawn orchid
General feedback? This upgrade generally sucks. All my power dropped
wide shoal
Any other developers* not users
@eager cedar what results did you get, and did you have purchases older than 14 days. Might give it a try, too
eager cedar
nova sierra
So there's a chance to get ur money back @wide shoal
cosmic carbon
Hi guys Iām confused! Please help. sorry are you annoyed because the power has dropped on a kehra or am I missing something big here? Should I be getting a refund?
subtle briar
Kehra power dropped drastically, high tier ships power got boosted, AIs boosted by 25 percent and the cost for tiering your ships for mega tri jacked.
If the devs didnāt kick your puppy, it was only because they forgot.
wide shoal
I called the USA number and they said they can't help me with a refund :(
cosmic carbon
Ah okay thanks
zinc osprey
Did the devs run the USA healthcare industry before switching into mobile games?
formal sonnet
Here I thought I was close to being able to finish faction missions, this update brought me back to the stoneage by nerfing my strongest ship, the Kehra. Nice
subtle briar
If Scopley Devs are put in charge of testing an airplane, donāt get on it.
crimson grove
It's sad because this game has so much potential
nova sierra
I heard google refunds are within a 24 hour period and apple refunds are within a 30 day period
@subtle briar lmao bold of you to assume they could make anything remotely resembling an airplane
wide shoal
I feel left out I can't get a refund on Google play at all
robust bramble
I wanted my 50k back so I could do the 3000s and this is their response. Then stopped replying.
#customerservice
This company will be dead by 2020
fallen tusk
I bet all refunds will be cancelled and put āunder investigationā
coarse basalt
I wouldnāt know about power or bad refining. Game wonāt even load since update
hot karma
On our server we made a peaceful protest in Orion and this is what we think of this crappy patch nerf to ships and boost to hostiles.
Yes thatās a middle finger
coarse basalt
Lol
hot karma
Feel free to share in the media
Twitter land , Reddit etc
Peace in The Galaxy and all agree chuck you scopley
hot karma
Nice indeed excellent work coordinating this š
keen ledge
ā¤
ancient wadi
so with the new rebalance of the ships I can't kill anything much above my level, but there are no quests of my level anymore (19). All quests I'm finding on factions systems have combats with ships of 90k or more (while before they were around 50k).
night latch
I guess faction daily's weren't taken into account when the faction hostiles were roided up again? šš
nova sierra
Wasn't there also supposed to be an update to the app itself yesterday? Nothing in Google play as of yet... @nova sierra
nova sierra
@eternal delta Imma friend request you, if you find one lmk
hybrid mirage
Have anyone managed to get a refund from Google Play?
@frozen bronze can't find how to get it for anything beyond 24 hours, is there a magic link or do people just call support?
@frozen bronze sounds like it's going to be an entertaining call to support
shell quiver
Thanks scopely for this Trash shame in you!!!!!
white axle
Oh well my refund request is up with a specialist now let's see what happens as worst case I'm no better off than I am now.
white axle
Google play I contacted their support
red fjord
@nova sierra I am pretty sure there is something wrong with the "rebalancing of NPCs"
nova sierra
@red fjord hmm I can kill a 550k with my 250k Kumari
@red fjord oh you must be using the bugged tier 2/3 Kumari lol
red fjord
It is not mine, from the guild chat. But big BS
nova sierra
The power rating is wrong It fixes itself by tier 4/5
@red fjord here is one with correct stats
That can beat a 500k npc now
Normally power ratings are correct, but the tier 2/3 Kumari has bugged/inflated stats that are wrong
eager cedar
nova sierra
No way lmao itās real
proper quiver
Well done scopely you F#$ktards, thanks for dropping 10k from my kehra as well as adding an extra 400k trit to the torp upgrades, as is 945k trit wasnt already enough
brittle kayak
Same here, this game is dead for me
nova sierra
I get the sense people are unhappy
@frozen bronze are you new to sarcasm?
@nova sierra are you new to sarcasm
Oh ya forgot this ā?ā
@nova sierra no
nova sierra
@nova sierra this last update was dedicated to top players while making mid lvl players cannon fodder. You have given the Kumari a huge power upgrade while the lvl 22 and lower recieved nothing. And you have the audacity to claim that you have balanced the game? One of the top players on this server, has been gifted 100k power due to this update. Are you guys insane?
@nova sierra sorry, my mistake, it wasn't 100k...it was 130k!
Palpatine is the one with the kumari, i asked him what power the ship had before the update
As you can see, it was 169k...now it's 297k, so @nova sierra how is that balanced?
Lmao itās not
Game design would need a major overhaul... itād be unrecognizable if they do... so hereās to another game down the drain š»
crude leaf
@nova sierra How can you adjust hostiles without adjusting faction missions? My faction missions require me to kill 10 (lvl 26), and 25 (lvl 27). Myself at lvl 22 could kill 5 (lvl 26) on one repair with my Kehra pre-update. Now with a brand new 56k power Vahklas, I canāt even do 20% damage to one lvl 26. Clearly, the faction kill missions have to be adjusted if you expect people to keep playing.
tough beacon
For the dailies ... even using the triangle I went from killing 7-9 NPC per ship repair to just 2. Even with the new ship buffs. This is just stupid. You need to rebalance the hostile.
Devs stop trying to balance your balances. Just fix something that is a issue like refining and let it be. Always 2 steps forward and 4 steps back . Just ponderous......
nova sierra
#Q2 I had the same issue as Dry above. It makes it next to impossible now to finish the faction misson for 10 and impossible to finish the one for 25 lvl 27 because now you can't even kill 1 of them. Please fix this
tough beacon
Also just refined at a level 25 refinery.. G 3 each material at 12k or the second tiers... not one uncommon... not one rare...
nova sierra
And for those of you who actually buy the "visual bug" lie:
No burn, morale or breach active
white axle
I gave up doing faction kill missions ages ago once the repair costs started vastly out weighing the rewards
nova sierra
What visual bug lie? @nova sierra
That the power increase was actually lower the showed onthe stats
inner plaza
kumari bug is just for t1 and t2
nova sierra
@inner plaza thx for the clarification
nova sierra
Yes screwing up power balances
halcyon prairie
Not happy at all with latest update. Gotten worse.
ebon thistle
alot of people arent the the mods arent even commenting , ones on right now , best if they stay silent lots getting refunds lots quiting and lots like me switching to F2P in hopes that they fix the mess they made
nova sierra
@nova sierra How dare you affirm you listened to the players? Your last update is blunt hyprocrisy! For example lot of people here lamented about the unbalanced Tritanium ressource and you had the nerve to increase the Trit needed to upgrade ships? You listen only to your blatant greed imho.
ebon thistle
what else they going to listen to other than money
they dont care about the players they only care about making money for their investors
any changes they make are only changes to get people to spend money
hot karma
I will be on the lookout for a new game. I will also recommend our coalition and alliance do the same. We are roughly 300 active players that have been buying packs.
nova sierra
It is interesting there is a lot of feedback with regard to uncommon. Wait until you hit uncommon walls and start going the officer route lol
But Kirk...only 3 more shards.
Oh, 2000 fed credits?
Mmm, lets do it.
ashen magnet
@nova sierra What I don't understand is, how can you make more money when you are actually killing your game?
waxen bison
@nova sierra Thanks for another crap update
fluid jewel
Thats not how management works. Management thinks, if they lose 30% of their player base, they need the remaining players spent at least 30% more.
waxen bison
I got an insta refund from Google play for my North Star by the way
neat totem
The Vak and Kehra had more power
waxen bison
I'd recommend everyone who paid request one
neat totem
Kumari and battleships where clearlyunderpowered
ashen magnet
Well, I have got ALL my spendings in this game refunded now and will not waste any more on Scopely.
nova sierra
@potent cipher @nova sierra <@&509690795536941056> Guys, when you say that you have āheardā from the community, what exactly did you hear?? Did you hear that ppl wanted to be rolled back? Did you hear that ppl wanted to have the mission bosses and Hostiles nerfed? Did you hear that ppl wanted their ships to lose power when compared to Hostiles and their own ship strength? Did you hear that they still canāt get the required uncommon and rare rss? Did you hear that the miner officer stats still donāt work? Doesnāt look like it. You have really hurt the game and the community and no free chest drop will solve it. Why donāt you actually listen to the guys who are playing the game and implement the āfeaturesā that donāt work instead of mucking with peoples already disappointing game experience. Less AR and more fixing the game.
Sorry for reposting from last night but it needs answering
obsidian star
looking at the packs now available to me, 8 at Ā£92 ($100) and 4 at Ā£46 ($50) I have been priced out so if there isn't a decent F2P gameplay elememnt I won't be sticking around in the long term
hasty verge
Time to use system restore Scopely.....roll back the update
nova sierra
Balance to ships was fine but they should have balanced faction ships as well and kept kehra unchanged for lower levels
Faction ships should be 20-30% stronger off the bar
*bat
harsh atlas
@potent cipher @nova sierra <@&509690795536941056> - Please see @nova sierra Comments. WE all deserve an answer. I'm happy to put my hard earned cash into this game BUT rolling back progress is a stab in the back to loyal players. Soon as I get my Google refunds, you've lost me
nova sierra
just shows you when you hit their revenue they then start listening
toxic blade
Yep
nova sierra
now if they really want to make players happy, reduce the refinery cooldown to 4 hours and change from chance based to fixed rates for uncoomons/rares
ashen magnet
what is quite annoying is the constant repetition of "were made weaker by mistake." errors. It's impossible to trust developers, anything can be skrewed up in a future update
already done
nova sierra
@nova sierra and until the 11th, what? Try to survive the ongoing mass slaughter? What about the millions of resourcess lost because of that mistake?
ashen magnet
š is what Scopely are thinking
nova sierra
they likely need to build a new package this takes time to compile and test before roll outs
nova sierra
they are not doing a 100% rollback
they cant
therefore they need to roll back some changes while retaining the new stuff such as sharing coords etc
this means they need to build a new package to do this
celest loom
they are reverting server side things, not the client side
the client was pushed, but they have still got to go trough a process at google and apple to get the app available in the app store
if their app gets declined they need to rebuild the app with changes so it gets allowed
nova sierra
Great just spent 600 unc ore on my kumari
pallid peak
If you spent on the Kumari for the 300k strength increase on 1 component that should have been obvious it was an error
echo haven
Didn't realize I hit the buy button so many times
rain furnace
Have to call a real live person, illuminated
Google can tell you how to get in touch with apple š
echo haven
I had to say I was having problems purchasing something (more important to them) as opposed to issues with an already purchased item.
nova sierra
When people are asking for refunds are they being demanding and acting like general dickheads or are you guys actually being respectful to google about it
copper girder
@nova sierra It shows a little bit of good faith that at least you are rolling back some of the changes. Still you reduced mining rates which were already useless before. I mean repairing one ship costs 20k trit and 4k dili, it takes a day to mine that stuff and you slow it down more? What the logic? Beceuse I see none
zinc osprey
The logic is š°š²š°š²š°
copper girder
The only reason I will ever mine trit or dili is quests
it was not viable before and its not viable now
nova sierra
Lmao your doing it wrong you should be raiding
copper girder
@nova sierra if the mission states "mine 150k trit" I cant raid it
the nerf I dont understand
It was already stupidly low rate
toxic blade
It was a money grab
They wanted all the mid lev players to spend another 200 for aship they already payed for
celest loom
so @fathom grove you have come to agree they fucked mining rates on Envoys up, yes? @nova sierra have you got any update on this yet?
lol
so if I change anything that eventually will have a different outcome
they changed willingly what the outcome is
so to say they did not change mining rate because it is still the same, they changed the maths and therefore your mining rate is different is nonsense
the outcome they want to create has to be based on certain stats and mathemetical sums or w/e
changing a b x or y does eventually change the outcome
and therefor what the purpose of n is
the outcome has thereby changed, intended or not, it was not in patch notes. And only changed for the envoy and no information about why. The tritanium costs for repairs / ship upgrades etc. have been gone trough the roof because they took away some g2 resource needs
so literaly unbalancing the shit out of it
officer mining bonusses are defect. for months now. they do not work, don't count them in
the math for an envoy is different because of the ship bonus
and that took a big hit from the change in calculation
wether it is for all ships or not
it is an insane unbalance
you do read my posts right?
I understand what you are saying, they changed the sum
it changed overall
but the envoy has been hit too hard by this change
officer bonusses have not worked for months mate
covert bay
as far as I can tell the numbers displayed were always false : ships bonuses for mining as well as officers never worked
celest loom
mining officers stats pretend to work as in you see a lower timer
but in real, the depot is not empty when the miner is on 0s
covert bay
easy to see when timing the exact rate of mining
celest loom
I have had no problem with mining tritanium before the update and without calculating or even using mining officers
celest loom
tbh, they nerfed the fuck out of it
created more unbalance in-game
hire some blizzard employees (yes they make mistakes from time to time), but not as big as Scopely does.
and there is that too lol. From the Fortunate to Horizon is like 4 steps up in mining ships (with the Northstar included) and still that awfull. woohoo
what is the mining rate of parsteel and tritanium for an Horizon?
I know they are "intended", I am complaining it makes no sense and is a big nerf and unbalances the game.
covert bay
they do not intend for you to mine those, you will already have to mine for 2* and 3* mats full time
celest loom
How would you like it that you need more Gas to cook meal and they make prices higher for Gas with it
covert bay
for parstell, dil and trit you have to either raid bases or farm hostiles (good thing they fixed farming bonuses for officers btw)
celest loom
the tritanium ores have gone up, the trit prices have gone up, but let's downgrade the mining rate of the best trit miner (mid level)..
nova sierra
@copper girder oh thatās true forgot about that
celest loom
@covert bay did they? also not in the patch notes lol
I raid bases regularly, I have plenty of main resources. But I still defend my standing, things are even more unbalanced this way.
cosmic pagoda
Serious question. Not just meaningless complaints like most people.
What is the point of the generators/vaults if there total cargo capacity can't pay for any upgrades. Please correct that, is without a doubt the most broken aspect of this game.
celest loom
Yes, agreed and this looks like a complaint too. But I find it most valid @cosmic pagoda
covert bay
@celest loom not in this patch but in the one before (the one with the NS introduction)
so now you can have your 45% bonus on dill / trit / parsteel when farming hostile, at least this helps...
celest loom
sounds good, I will go and find out when I get home
hot karma
Fix it!
long kayak
Everything needs a fix practically still. Stop spending ppl and complain.
We need to be alot madder then yesterday.
Week after week they rip us off on this game that takes alot of our free time.
And most of u are content to just deal with it.
Things won't change unless we make it happen.
slender hare
I've spent way too much money on this game. I deeply regret it. The only thing that keeps me playing, is the fact I've spent so much money on the game. I do enjoy some aspects. The player vs environment. The player vs player element, I dont care for. I either wildly outmatch someone or they wildly outmatch me. There is little strategy involved, other than what to upgrade. I feel like many things are unattainable without paying or years of play. If I were an unethical player, I woukd simply enjoy the advantage I have over most of the players, avoid those who have paid more than me, until this game got old, and be done with it, curse it's name forever and avoid mobile games period. I plan to do all of these things, BUT run over other players for no.reason, but for my own enjoyment.
nova sierra
Ship wise I was one-third the size of others now 1/6 I'm anywhere from 25 to 50% larger than a large portion of the damn server your update sucks ass
It's really bull crap that you going set at two or three tier limit and then you going make it impossible for anyone else to hit a base and jam 40K shipping with 5K ships
slender hare
@fathom grove, I am on android. I dont believe its possible. Not without a lawyer.
nova sierra
That there's people with 15 or 20 K ships fighting against two or three hundred K power shifts
Maybe if I had 20 or 30 T1 so I can kill it T4 not quite sure the numbers it's been a long time I don't even have that option s***
Let's just make the other people ships 100 million and let's drop the other people to 1K power how to make levels right
LOL I feel like I'm a tier-1 against t8
I got to say I played a lot of these games and I'm impressed that you made me depressed
Never have I seen the power difference so great
@slender hare it's possible there was a whole bunch of people doing it you just got to contact the support and stuff
slender hare
I have spent around $1000 on this game. I did it rather fast. This game is great at exposing and creating a loss of impulse control in it's users. Its fun to begin with, but becomes rather dull after a certain rank, where you run into your first pay wall. Its easy to resist buying up until then and if you fool yourself into thinking, "I like this game, $100 is worth it", it gets worse from there and easier for you to give into your impulses and lose track of how much money you've spent.
You will run into more pay walls, each one will get worse and worse, the money you already spent will make you tell yourself, "I can't quit now." Each pay wall becomes steeper and steeper. The game gives you a lot of upgrades to do and a fraction of what you need to do just ONE of them. This game demands a lot of time. The events, unlike other games, give you nothing for the work or speed ups required to.perform well in them.
I've spent $1000 and I'm only 24th level out of the 50 available. The levels become hardee and harder, the resources steeper and steeper.
Learn from me, if you have only spent 100-300, delete the game now. There are many more pay walls before you reach my level and its not that high in the game. There will be other bigger fish to swallow you up.
nova sierra
@slender hare I'm hearing this from a lot of big players it's been probably close to a thousand or more I was about to start spending some but with the difference in power the way the games made up it's not worth it I can't even get tier 3 materials
slender hare
Wait until you try to refine them. You get 1-5 in grade 3 materials, of varying qualities, every 10 hours. At 24, you get you might get 10 of common on a lucky draw. And EVERY thing needs grade 3 to uograde at my level. Buildings, ships and most research.
cloud torrent
I like how people comes here talking about fraud and scam, as if somebody was pointing a gun at them to spend money and play the game
vivid solstice
<@&509690795536941056> Please return the feature to go under a mine... It's the only way to go somewhere without the risk of destroying yourself or others on a mine...
pallid peak
@potent cipher @nova sierra you have to be kidding. Is this a troll???? how is that an āexchangeā option š¤
sweet elm
Haha, for the low low price of 100 parsteel you can get....ONE HUNDRED FUCKING PARSTEEL! But wait! There's more! If you exchange right now, you'll get to see the chest summary screen at no additional price!
slate zinc
With regards to the new update...
While we all appreciate the effort to balance the power of ships the changes to rss required seems a little out of balance stills.
For example I'm lvl 29 and working on upgrading my tier 7 kehra. To upgrade one laser slot I need 11.3 million tritanium. For my horizon to mine this amount of rss (yes I can use more than 1 miner) it would take just over 29 weeks!!!!
Once again your update seems short sighted and without an understanding of what players want or need.
If the intent is to have people just mine for weeks then congratulations you once again turned a fun game with potential into a boring non playable mining game.
karmic dagger
Any more info for the update in Google play or App Store?
rain furnace
@slate zinc they dont want you mining. They want you spending $$$
regal loom
@sweet elm lol good thing thereās a 10d timer on this bad boy, or weād wreck the economy
rain furnace
Any significant advancement after about lvl 16 requires real money. Unless you have about a year per level
charred hemlock
This update just ruined the game for me I was 2 days away from getting faction ships now they elevated the lvl requirements all the big spenders already have them the rest of us are screwed
slate zinc
@fathom grove oh I know... just when you write it out like that you can really see how ridiculous this game is
shadow hound
I joined here, as I thought it may be a place to provide some answers... Bit having read some of the posts... The Devs really don't care at all.... Such a shame.....
ashen magnet
yes, a lovely update introducing new bugs we previously had not thought of š
rain furnace
You dont need to test new features. Just ram them through so people spend more! Look guys! New features! New ships! Act fast or theyll be gone for good!
nova spade
ok so the update didnt fix broken hostiles.. and server restart and client update didnt fix this.. what should be done than ?
with 1 hostile per sistem.. if lucky.. it is kinda pointless to farm rss... and when mining i get killed within 5 minutes.
rain furnace
Fun game, eh? š
nova spade
jeah all the little guys (under lvl 18) are screwed since all low level sistems are bugged on my server and nothing we can do
no way to farm dil...
rain furnace
When the bugs outnumber the players, id say youre doing it wrong
shadow hound
And the 'maintenance' that took over 2hours yesterday, fixed nothing, only made things worse... Mining rates down and what hostiles that work, are now stronger..!!!
ashen magnet
crisp blaze
devout zealot
1k lat, 1 of each rare resource 20 ucom g3 each, 1600 ultra tokens, and some speedups.
main herald
500 lat, 10 uncommon of each g3, 800 ultra tokens, 25x 1hr speedups, and a couple more things
rough dagger
Pvp games rarely succeed if the level range is more than +or- 5
main herald
Invest in "Station Defenses", "Defense Platform Shield", "Defense Platform Hull", "Station Weaponry", Prime Damage, Prime Hull, Prime Shields, Prime Protection, vaults, "Parsteel Safeguarding", "Tritanium Safeguard", and "Dilithium Safeguard".
rain furnace
@main herald ive fully maxed everything defensively for my level. I still get rolled by people 3+ lvls above me. (And theres several lvls above that who can hit me.) Even with combat ships home defending, they get through like its nothing. I put up a shield or i risk losing everything
If you can attack me, i should stand some chance of holding you off. (Even if its a long shot) Strictly catering to your 'whales', as Scopely calls them, isnt a viable business model in my estimation. Just a good way to have a few players who have paid their way to the top of a buncha dead bases
iron token
Hey devs: what's with the parsteel exchange? 100 parsteel gives back 100... š š parsteel?
nova sierra
Just had one member quit pay to play from our Coalition of two alliances because I guess you screwed up his faction missions or dailies or whatever didn't know how long it would take you to fix it had about one or two more for other reasons your updates
signal kestrel
Ships can gain xp by killing hostiles or pvp but officers can only get better by spending officer xp. I get using officer xp to promote them but I would like to be able to lvl them up just by using them.
nova sierra
Thx for the chest. You should do it weekly. Itās not a big loss for you, but it would make upgrading one single Part of a ship shorter. Raffinier gives you 3-6 common. It would Take years to get a tier 7 ship. Further more you should think about protecting mining ships by peace shield. This one of the most reason why players leave the game. Further more I appreciate the fact of reducing costs for upgrades and ships; but the amount of tritanium you need for a single one is lot too high. As the guy above already said it takes weeks !
main herald
That would depend on the level of your survey technologies and other general ship technologies ("Hull Integrity", "Battle Tactics", "Shield Efficiency", etc.)
nova sierra
@pallid peak lol i got that too
main herald
If they're not very advanced, then the NS would start lower, though I can't say how much lower.
pseudo dagger
Before the updates it showed 22k
main herald
My ship menu gives the NS as starting at 6,604, so I think that's right.
My actual NS is 50k strong for reference. Still tier 1.
pseudo dagger
Why did it go from 22k to 6k...
north arrow
Just a general comment, I donāt understand why Scopely chose this business model over say a Fortnite or maple story model which in the long run makes significantly more money as the revenue per customer slowly climbs on much larger population bases.
The p2w business model just appears better at first because it is front loaded which I am sure the CEO will soon realize.
livid vapor
Nd look at the realta starting compared to the Kehra starting...
main herald
Hum, @nova sierra ? My rewards button on bases doesn't work. I can't see what resources a base contains. Tried rebooting the app, restarting my phone, to no avail...
carmine badger
@main herald It was reported earlier today and they know about it
modest relic
remote rapids
Thank you guys for giving a very small token amount for the faction mining daily... Please open up the dailys to be able to mine any of the three or put it on a rotation at least, if you want to maintain a higher amouny of the primary g3 go ahead.. But i can barely get the mining mission done in a day which leaves no time to mine for the rest of the g3 mats needed for upgrades.
Keltsdance you just need to wait for it to populate. I had that show up too it takes a min
modest relic
I'll taking about the strength
remote rapids
One hell of a typo lol
remote rapids
My orion power on ship menu,sats 370.
nova sierra
Yo I'm just going to say you forgot my f****** 25k power ship when you gave everybody else bigger power boost
nova sierra
So I'm just going to throw this s*** out there and other games there's four tiers of troops right now I would be a tier 3 with at least a good amount of tier 3 troops right now I'm feeling like I'm a f****** tier one and the other ones are f****** TR4 suck that there tear f****** 8 out of 4
Maybe the unbalanced of all the materials that I can't even f****** get might be getting to me a little bit more to this game's bulshit
Plus you don't have s*** clearly Define like five materials and they ain't f****** there
The bugs have been Hell by the way the stupid ass thing doesn't show resources anymore on the basis it's sickening having to spend f****** half a minute on every ship or base if not a minute trying to see what the hell is inside
I'm fairly large at 24K and a f****** fighting people with f****** 200 f****** 50 f****** f****** goddamn f****** ships
I was about to drop a hundred in here or something but knowing that $100 when it be a drop in the f****** bucket to even make me competitive I said f*** it
I would like that at least be a tier 3 against tier 4 troops
Anyways you don't have to show me the way out I'll f****** show my way out
That's by comparison to other games I'm a f****** T1 against a T8 when there's only four tiers
So some motherfuker with f****** some money can just pop us with two ships Max ain't shitt you can do about it and everybody gravitates that one Guild
The f****** for real man this s***'s unbalanced
It's not cool that you f****** hide your deals and s*** he should be able to give a deal for material that you have that says go to the f****** shop I go to the f****** shop there's nothing in the f****** shop
Can't even f****** make that right
But I guess thank God you didn't do that cuz I might have spent some money on this stupid ass game
I know stupid ass bugs that made me have to reset every 5 minutes for f****** two months is f****** hell
azure holly
@nova sierra please tell us what you really think ... [joke]
nova sierra
@azure holly I think after a couple months of this plus trying to build a guild it's just getting past the point I'm quitting the game
Most of the servers dying out anyways we'll be lucky if we can fill five guilds pretty soon
azure holly
I've been playing since the original beta ... almost 12 months now
I've lived through 1 server merge and it looks like, imho, there may be a second very soon ... [nothing official]
nova sierra
Well if you merge with ours could you kill UFP
š it like grade school one side gets a couple extra points and everybody starts to switch sides
nova sierra
You know they had people abusing the refund policy and everything Google
azure holly
Happens with every game
nova sierra
Well you could kill some them lol they just got anoher one of ours
Yeah I had integrity and I kept treaties even treaty said idiot made and broke
I have moral so I didn't recruit people from under other people that worked hard on your guild so that's why I have to f****** keep eating s*** from pieces of shit
I just wanted to be able to fight a little bit but I can't even f****** flight I give up
I made a second Guild so that way we at least always have one Ally in case others failed
Anyways it's up normal in these games that have the big players play games with all the little players dick around
They get bored being at the top and they got to find ways to f*** with people
azure holly
these games are a business that needs to make money ... I'm not saying if this business model is right or wrong, but that is the reality
nova sierra
The game feels so balanced now :-) genius thing you did guys, to have 25 daily kills I need to full repair 8 times š
Awesome solution! Keep up that wayš
carmine jay
#ā-official-announcements @nova sierra. That is being fixed on 11 feb
nova sierra
š š š š š
Seriously? WaW, I'm feeling so pozitive now over the progression game next 3 days man ... !
I suppose 20-30 full repairs costs will have to steal some resources from a su.cker who just buy some resources packs š š¤
carmine jay
Unless you own a time machine, then yeah! Go with that.
cloud torrent
@potent cipher please check grade3 common ships warp ranges, they are absolutely low (Almost g2 warp range even at max tiers)
vocal bolt
The faction ship level restrictions is over the top it is turning the game into a straight pay to win. And you need deep pockets I am done with it unless it's reverted you guys enjoy I wasted slot of money on this only for them to keep raising the bar I am sorry but I am now chasing the carrot anymore
wooden grove
Here's an idea - bigger mining nodes should mine faster alot faster.. that way it can keep up with the growth of players as they move through the systems..
hybrid elm
How are we suppose to do that kind of event when the level 20,more than 4 days upgrading gives only 1000 pts
You guys need to tell me how, i'm pretty curious
inner plaza
$$$
they dont scale power from buildings and researches properly, it's stupid
i know... do you also get those offiver events where you need to level 200k xp? ..
for like 200k parsteel and what not
hybrid elm
And it's the same with the platforms defenses, they're not a part of the station and do not count for this event.
inner plaza
yes neither do they count towards the ally-event
which seems to be an intended bug
š
hybrid elm
This is insane, what the fuck you doing scopely?
inner plaza
they can't fix everything at once, but it's insane that they are calling every bug "Intentional" so they have a reason not to compensate
hybrid elm
Wuut? Intentional bug?
sour briar
why everyone asking for refunds?
hybrid elm
Becaues they're asking for money and willingly taking it. So its just customer service.
Simple
I should get a refunds after i've using 1400 latinum to upgrading all 3 defense platform in order to fulfill the station event. And guess what?
Defense are not a part of the station! Can you actually believe this?
After 4 days of upgrading the lvl 20 operation i can't even win the second stage of the station event! For fuck's sake it's just.... This pissing me off.
Fucking incompetent idiots
nova sierra
š
summer dock
Wind i do t ask for refunds, they xan give it though without making a loss spend 0 and wont spend a dime haha
nova sierra
I've been asking for refunds since the day I been fooled to buy the jelly and I see the game is bogusš
summer dock
That is stupid haha. Dont waste money on p2w games cmon you sbould know this
nova sierra
Did someone notice the specificities of the crew doesn't work ?
hybrid elm
Yes, no mining bonus anymore
I think i'll delete this joke from my phone
Wost game ever
nova sierra
Morning @nova sierra I sent a reply to you yesterday with regards questions and replies, if you maybe want to take this offline to have a chat then all good or can do it here or not at all. Like I said we all want to help
Damn man im leveling my talla and kehra for 2 days and insted of up they go down.
If we alreday had ship at 55k .. how the hel do u guys come to idea to dowgrade ship at 50k?
hasty plover
@nova sierra Don't NERF the KUMARI and THE Vakhlas... just fix the Khera and stop screwing people out of resources, money and time by making their production gameplay a beta test.
@nova sierra Also, refining G3 uncommon / rare ( which is a common requirement on any g3 ship) resources is still a JOKE. You cannot possibly mine or refine enough resources in order to level your ships in any reasonable time.
hybrid elm
Neither with g2 ship, it's just impossible. You've to mining the whole fucking day in order to get 50k of each
Mining or plundering... In fact you need to stop having a life
inner plaza
500k officer event... if i level up all my officers (and i didnt level up any of them for a long time) - i could maybe reach 100k. event wants me to somehow get 500k, which is not possible, just saying @nova sierra
hybrid elm
I even don't get 30k officer xp in 5days... How are we supposed to do a 500k event! FUckoff!
500k to win this? You must be kidding me....
hasty plover
@nova sierra here's an idea. If you require 19 million resources to upgrade a warehouse or a vault. it should probably protect more than 10k of resources. The Vault and Warehouse requirements for upgrade are absolute robbery and provide no value except to drain gamers time and pockets. This needs fixed or Vault/Warehouse Generator upgrades need to be removed from station upgrade path.
nova sierra
@hasty plover and where would u get the 19 mil pars needed, from?
hybrid elm
Holy sh.... 19 million
marble plank
These upgrades are getting totally ridiculous.
nova sierra
Ofc it has to be 19 mil...that makes u either buy rss, or go after players with rss, which makes them go after players with rss...and on and on...this one actually makes sense for the flow of the game
Altho, i'm sure some here still hope it turns into farmville in space
warped roost
@nova sierra @potent cipher Of all the issues in this game, this is the one that I think is complained about the most, bothers me the most, and its not because its a miner but what this simple image shows. There is no PVP balance in the game. Levels don't cut it. If your going to use levels you got it backwards, larger spread at lower levels tighter at higher. Yes big spenders are going to cry, because they spent money to go rampant on everyone, but they are not the long term survivability of the game it is the average player who will put a few $$ into a game they enjoy every moth that keeps a game alive, and with this type of gameplay you loose that. To boot this was just pure bullying anyways. No return on the hit other than to hit. He wiped a whole system of lvl 20-22 players for what a few PVP chest and maybe 1-2k in ore?
nova sierra
Yeah, scopely guys, it's a nice game, besides of a million bugs and your business model. But this combination and your ridiculous "updates" kill the fun in my opinion.
Best regards
nova sierra
@warped roost waaaa...he killed my miner in a pvp game...waaaaaa
warped roost
@nova sierra learn to read..
rain furnace
It was too long! More than 2 lines? Skippin that shit, but ill comment on the bit i read š
tough beacon
I bought two $99.99 dollar packs . I received the materials for those packs, but Apple charges me for 3 packs. Apple indicated it is on Scopely side. I submitted 2 help tickets through Scopely website 24 and 48 hours ago with no response . I would even take the material for the 3 pack, but I want some type of compensation. For what I was charges. I am trying this server , because of the lack of response of Scopely.
nova sierra
@warped roost i have read, and that's what it boils down to...the big bad man came and pew-pewed your miner. And u tryed to dress it as a lvl difference
@tough beacon you won't get any compensation because...FU, that's why. Scopely never sees itself as responsabile for anything
warped roost
@nova sierra if that was the case I would have over 200 messages and screens posted here.. your an example of the hostile environment the game created..
@nova sierra thank you for replying to me and emphasizing my point well done
wait for wittie comback
nova sierra
" To boot this was just pure bullying anyways. No return on the hit other than to hit. He wiped a whole system of lvl 20-22 players for what a few PVP chest and maybe 1-2k in ore?"
TL; DR waaaa...my miner was killed...waaa
@warped roostclaiming "bullying" in a pvp game is sad...really sad
Not to mention disrespectful for people who actualy face the real issue of bullying...but, hey, you wanna be a victim, be a victim
brittle quarry
@nova sierra roll back this idiotic stance that you can built the Kumari only with shipyard lv26 now. We have people on the server who got the Kumari before the update and are having now 500k ships. And they do not have lv26 shipyards.
plush bay
Refining still sucks!! Lvl 27 and not 1 uncommon gas in 5 rounds
brittle quarry
@plush bay I am still stuck on one fucking rare crystal to upgrade the North Star.
plush bay
I have never seen a rare refined
brittle quarry
From lv 26 you get them in the packs to buy. But I am ājustā 24. So I am fucked NS wise and Kumari wise.
plush bay
Most are stuck. Hell I think everyone is stuck and thatās no exaggeration
brittle quarry
Not the people with the 250k NS and the 500k Kumaris .... @nova sierra make it fair again. To make it impossible for people to built ships even though they have all the required buildings and research just 24h ago, is a massive imbalance.
nova sierra
š more of my pay-to-play players are quitting because of the pay walls one of them may be looking to get refunds hell I can't even hit a damn Bass
nova sierra
The 500k kumari is fluff power on most of the players who has it
The ridiculous stats of NS for battles is a problem
220k kumari is bs against a 200k station, 180k NS beats 500k station
hybrid elm
nova sierra
Yea, and stronger it is the more problems. Thatās the whale ship for next 5 months.
hybrid elm
Same here, how are we suppose to defend ourselves against players like this? We can't even attack them. But they can easely scratching me like a bug...
nova sierra
Just upgrade it and you can easily kill all the stations until july
hybrid elm
At least i got one... Hmmmm š
brittle quarry
@nova sierra it is not about the power vs station. It is the upgrade. It is unfair that people who had the kumari already are able to upgrade it to ridiculous heights and others of the very same level are now unable to do so.
Are now unable to even built it.
nova sierra
Umm what
I was talking about NS
Kumari is not necessry ship and itās performance is bs
brittle quarry
A 500k Kumari is no shit. No matter how you turn it.
nova sierra
500k kumari at t2 is fluff
Thatās the least of all the upgrade problems and continuity.
carmine jay
I thought 500k at t2 is not 500k. Its just a disaplay bug. As proven by all the noobs using them getting spanked by 300k hostiles
brittle quarry
Good enough for 80% of the stations on our server
nova sierra
Well yea, for players who play with fluff power, it may be good enough
carmine jay
Well, its still probably around 100k so yeah. So and expensive farm tho
brittle quarry
As said itās about the upgrade, not how good or not good the ship is.
nova sierra
What is
brittle quarry
Server update I mean
nova sierra
Im totally confused what is your point
I just stated the 250k NS you mentioned is a problem for the game continuity, the Kumari is not
brittle quarry
That, because of the ipdate I. Anāt built the ship, another guy where able to just before the ulsate
Same level, same research
nova sierra
What level you are?
brittle quarry
24
nova sierra
Then I get your point.
When you get to level 26 or higher, you understand what Iām saying
brittle quarry
Iād prefer the NS as well .... however aiāll never get the stupid Rare crystal.
nova sierra
Trust me, the NS is the problem. Not the Kumari...
brittle quarry
We have a guy with TWO 250k NS
brittle quarry
Donāt ask me. He has them.
nova sierra
It disappeared if you bought it and doing both was not possible
I find it hard to believe one has 2 x NS š
Maybe other one is Horizon
brittle quarry
Let me have a look. Might be the other one is a horizon
nova sierra
That could be
Horizon is nowhere near NS in stats
Regardless of the power
It will take a long time until someone has better ship than NS is
(For the servers started in dec)
carmine jay
U can get 2 @nova sierra
Buy one, build it, but dont complete it. Then keep getting BPs .... get 90 BPs. Complete and start your other
200IQ move
carmine jay
The event, while it was on. Cant now obvs
wheat oak
the event which finishrd
carmine jay
^^
wheat oak
snap hehe
nova sierra
Monobrow, atleast for me all other possibilities for NS disappeared when I purchased it
Instantly
carmine jay
I think it was a firstday thing too, idk. I didnt do it. Only 199 IQ
wheat oak
very variable experiences - some <18 players got the packs to buy
seen 13s and 14s with NS
nova sierra
Our server seems to have very few glitches working š
wheat oak
š
kindred cloak
Refining
We hear your feedback and are continuing to work on the refinery. There are now more points at which your refinery output will increase. @nova sierra Has this change already taken effect?
if so why has the amount not changed in the refinery?
maybe I do not understand correctly what has changed regarding the refinery?
dull garnet
Without faction credits @nova sierra these new packages are kind of worthless you get people you can't level up.
getting tokens for crew you can't level seems foolish to spend money on is all
kindred cloak
@dull garnet not everyone knows that faction credits will be needed to improve :):nerd:
small fox
To celebrate valentines day we would like for you to give us money. Larger sums of money will, of course, be seen as a larger show of affection. To enhance this promotion we are offering something you cant use but will nonetheless highly desire. Live long and help us prosper
nova sierra
i think my server has died, noone buying packs so no bases worth raiding anymore
mining trit or dilithium is too painfully slow to be worth the effort
kindred cloak
I do not rob at zero, and take only how much
my server is still alive
nova sierra
mine is dying noone at my level wants to mine millions of trit or dilithium just to upgrade stuff. And with noone buying packs all bases are empty lol
carmine jay
Great point @kindred cloak . @nova sierra please can you clarify what changed in the update with regards to refinery. Thanks
nova sierra
@nova sierra do you know or do you have insight from the developers, what is going to happen for the resource issue? Unless the system doesnāt change, we will see next refund wave when the next problem occurs as people are just taking their money back for good... and that will be the end for us who spend too. The pyramid works only when thereās enough to grab, and that is rapidly decreasing.
obtuse parcel
@nova sierra If you want a refund on the NorthStar how do we get that in google play store like those do in iOS?
nova sierra
Why would you get it š¤
its a good pvp ship lol
better than my kehra
and my vahklas
NS is currently absolutely the best ship of all available ships if you use money.
worldly wraith
NS is practically worthless because of the low cargo capacity and super low protected cargo
Anyone know when the Monday maintenance will be?
languid bison
@nova sierra @potent cipher This is the most creative event so far. Do more like this.
nova sierra
NS is a good station basher, us it to break stations then send your envoys in to loot
viral talon
@nova sierra q2you surprised me again. Brilliant marketing. Let's have a sale that ends at 9am on Friday (payday) in the US (on my server). Mighty fine marketing work their Lou!!!! Lol
nova sierra
get up at 8am š
viral talon
I only buy when drunk. Bar opens at 10am.
nova sierra
lol
stuck sonnet
@potent cipher 14k repair cost for the envoy? Just tiered him up to 6. Gained 1K in power, and 10K trit in repair cost... @nova sierra
livid vapor
But even if You get Officer shards, even if you canāt upgrade it right away, at least you have them, and they donāt go away, then you can upgrade once you have the necessary requirement you can upgrade them. No need to complain then later that you canāt get any of the shards while you had the chance
Shards can be hard enough to get as it is, so get as many while you can
cosmic kernel
Can you make it so we can paste the coordinate format from a place like discord into the game?
[S:169288075 X:-68.25684 Y:311.3874]
It is great how it links in game but if I want to share in Discord it makes it very difficult to put back into game with have to post to a alliance chat or pm someone then tell them to ignore. @nova sierra
woeful reef
@nova sierra send my thanks to the @Devs for maximizing screen real estate on the new iPad Pros. Took me a minute to realize that everything felt wider, and I wasnāt having mis-taps on the sides of my screen any longer šš½
valid bronze
@nova sierra Noticing a bad trend starting. Repair costs are getting way to high for ships making G3 not profitable to use farming hostiles even with prime repair cost. The hostile changes make farming low faction ships for rss useless now with G2 ships. Basic RSS is to slow to get. Generators produce nowhere near enough to keep up with repair costs of G3 which shouldnt be the case. Only way to get decent resources now is raiding bases and the player base is dwindling to the point where that doesnt happen as much. The 3 basic resources shouldnt be so hard to get. Mining officers captain bonuses and mining ship bonuses dont work besides the North Stars
paper inlet
For this event, I vote that Scoopely stops screwing with the game. Everytime a "Fix" is released new issues pop up and make the game less fun to play
Northstar was probably the worst thing to happen to our server imo
nova sierra
@nova sierra im pretty much done with this game now, if monday's patch doesnt fix this game im done
To reinterate the main bugs that need immediate fixing
- Reversing the kehra nerf (planned for monday)
- Fixing Refining - change from chance based to fixed rates when refining and reduce cooldown to 4 hours
- Repair Cost reduction
- Upgrade cost reduction - currently way to much tritanium and dilithium required
- Increase the storage capactiy by at least 5x for each level and generator rates in station by at least 4x per level and vaults at least 2x per level for the 3 main rss
- Fix the clients both IOS and Android clients are extremely buggy (cant attack stations, weird missing graphics, buttons not working, client freezing.
- Fix broken nodes/uninteractable nodes
- Fix Npc power ratios and frozen npcs
- fix mission bosses and reduce the amounts of rss required for donations seem like the mission npcs are free loading bums
- Increase warp ranges on all ships so g2/g3 missions can actually be completed.
Well thats a lot of demands
:D
nova spade
you forgot ... fix broken hostiles that are stuck in lvl 10-18 zones
server restart didnt help for that.. client update didnt help
nova sierra
@nova spade thanks ive added it
@nova sierra @potent cipher could you thank keenser for the 600mil steel, 60 mil trit and 2 mil dil. That he left in his kirk account on our server. I cracked his base op en and let the whole galaxy leech
@nova sierra its not unreasonable though, a game that is actually playable is kinda a requirement
covert mountain
I am finding the game very playable.
nova sierra
@covert mountain i am not
no attack button game is useless to me
that is the same for every station without a shield
this bug is putting players like me with the same bug at a severe disadvantage
the game has gone all helly kitty mode for me
@nova sierra I wouldn't call them demands, I would call them basic game improvements, my server is also dead, no one is spending money...quite rightly...and you can't raid bases as no one can produce resources as the output levels from stations are poor....very poor
The above is aimed at @nova sierra
As well
right im off to play a game that works - RDR2 š
hot karma
Fix the goddamn spinning dead mines for Christ sake
They should be ashamed of the shit they are putting out as production. They must have a bunch of monkeys and interns rolling@out the updates. Doing dev in production with no Qa
I will login Monday and if the update is not completely rolled back. This game is getting deleted.
I have never seen a cluster fuck like this.
nova sierra
Just so you know. Keenser is a scopely developer. Im on one of the founder servers. Keenser played on our server to test. But after the first migration he didnt use his account anymore. He was untouchable. Weighing in at 1mil300k base power. Untill now
crude leaf
@nova sierra So many bases are bugged now. You break them, they go negative hull, and you can no longer get loot from them. Combat starts, but never resolves.
nova sierra
Negative hull?. You do realise that a certain amount of rss is protected?
crude leaf
@nova sierra Yes, well aware. This is a bug.
nova sierra
Even if you break the base. Protected rss can never be taken
Well negztive hull is a bug
Not getting the rss doesnt look like a bug
crude leaf
Itās not a protected rss issue. There are lvl 17 bases with 100k trit you canāt get either because of this negative hull issue. The example above is 40k Dil. You canāt protect that much at 17 even with Prime rss protection.
untold raven
@nova sierra @potent cipher I cannot begin to explain how frustrated I ahve been with this game and your in game support. When I point out an incredible number of bugs which cause me to lose ships, rss, and money the answer is always the same. āWe have advanced this to the teamā. Except, there is NEVER any follow up or resolution. In the mean time it cost me money. In addition, every āupgradeā results in yet another new thing being broken and little being fixed. Or even worse much has literally been modified making what many paid money to attain meaningless. I have to be honest that I have played betas with fewer issues. The final straw, as if to add insult to injury, is this embarrassing valentine event. So you allocated coders and resources to this, something inane and immature, when there are a litany of complaints about real game mechanics, bugs and imbalance. As a successful professional with a successful medical practice if I responded to my patients this way I would be out of business. I have never been so disappointed in a game from the Star Trek franchise. @chilly epoch @simple wind @stray viper @here
heavy forum
@nova sierra @potent cipher While youāre all at it on Monday, can you increase the cargo bay capacity of the NorthStar to something decent? At least commensurate with the cost and/or effort people put into getting it and comparable to other mining ships at that level.
carmine jay
I think that is a really bad idea @heavy forum . It is intended to complement other archetypes (speed miner) yet it already acts as a warship and base cracker. To make it a hauler aswell means we may aswell delete every other ship, imo it needs to be toned down, not buffed up. - I have a t8 one btw.
carmine jay
Indeed u can š
velvet oriole
ššš
brisk talon
#CashGrab - pay us for officers that don't work ($AUD)
carmine jay
Which of those donāt work @brisk talon ?
brisk talon
Most of your mining officers,
velvet oriole
I just hope they revert with Monday patch the repair costs for Jellyfish... itās increased by 4K tritanium from last patch
carmine jay
Not trying to be an ass, but the 4 officers today all work afaik.
brisk talon
Trit one doesnt
brisk talon
Even if they do, none of that is worth 150
carmine jay
Now that.... may be so š¬
But then designer clothing is a waste of money imo, and people still spend billions on it
vale reef
Refinery is still rubbish please reduce the cool down 10 hours is too long and please up the refining rewarda
Rewards*
ebon thistle
lol a cash grab for officers,....when the officers are still bugged funny ....not funny wont be buying them in fact i already quit the game just a couple hours ago.
scenic aspen
I agree with Hendo, the cool down and rewards are way to erratic. I have burned through at least 200,000 2* Gas trying to upgrade a Jellyfish and still don't have enough for the upgrade.
analog ravine
I believe there are several systems where the warp range is farther than it should be. In my opinion the following systems should have their warp ranges reduced: Peliar Zel, Riktor, Trill, Deneb, Teller, Denobula Triaxa, Vurox.
remote rapids
I have an excellent suggestion and this will help everyone even the guy who buys a pack a year. Make all the materials parsteel, tritanium, and dilithium into openable items. So the people buying it can open as needed instead of being a huge target after the small amount of shields you get is depeleted.
remote rapids
Wow so i finally get my kehra, start looking at upgrades(lvl 20 op.) Just to upgrade 1 torprdo launcher(level 1) 70 g3 com crys( i can only make 6 a day if im lucky) 245k trit(my base can only produce up to 120k maxed research) what are you guys thinking.. I can barely get it more powerful than a maxed out phindra.. Fix this please..
And that's even if i could possibly keep the rss in my base without being raided by everyone..
I think your game designers and programmers need to go learn the time vs reward rules of game programming.. Seriously lacking in that department and it shows in all the abandoned bases on mine and most likely all the servers..
queen ridge
All the mining officers are working now as well as the mining ship buffs. I timed them with a stop watch last night
They fixed the mining officers and dumbed their buffs way down
hasty plover
Its all garbage designed to make you buy packs that cover for their incompetence.
At least thats my perception when i was told by support there was no refinery problems. I wasted money..the lo and behold a refinery fix...sort of...
wicked breach
@nova sierra
When š are š you š fixing š the š music š issueš
remote rapids
I think that's the only thing on the game that works right @wicked breach
wicked breach
No. It doesnāt. I have to turn it off every single time I open the game. Keeps resetting to on.
crude kindle
@wicked breach at least you can turn it off now.
wicked breach
It doesnāt stay off! It keeps turning back on every time I load the game.
fluid jewel
Refinery is still shitty af. 2x times a day if you want to sleep for a 0-10 chance (anyone saw 25 ever?) for uncommon 2* rss - while one phasercanon upgrade for the JF costs 500+ ... this isnt even grinding, this is fraud @nova sierra
naive garden
usually its 5 or 10 for 2*, but ive seen 25 a once or twice a week
nova sierra
What are the mechanics for the command/science/engineer badges? At what point do you need them and in what quantity
worn turtle
Great support staff, can't even tell me why my name was changed or anything just go read the ToS and guess what you did wrong. @nova sierra @potent cipher <@&509690795536941056>
nova sierra
So you say they randomly chose you to change your name to that?
No way thereās something you know you did, but want to make it a public issue you kind of did not? š¤
muted frost
š
nova sierra
@nova sierra they,re need for officier upgrades from a certain lvl
kindred oasis
@nova sierra there are constant game crash after this update.
Please investigate and fix. š
kindred cloak
Refining
We hear your feedback and are continuing to work on the refinery. There are now more points at which your refinery output will increase. Has this change already taken effect?
if so why has the amount not changed in the refinery?
maybe I do not understand correctly what has changed regarding the refinery?
@nova sierra
nova sierra
@nova sierra, this just now...
@nova sierra quitting this game
@nova sierra worst money spent in my life
fallow granite
@nova sierra Hello, when I click on my base I can know the strength of my base, building included. I would like to know if it is possible to know the strength of my defense only. This is a figure I can have after an attack, in the reports, but I would like to know if it is possible to know it without being attacked.
sage bramble
SOme feedback: why does Scopely find no problem in another player bullying our female player, calling her a tranny and saying she'll never have children?
apparenbtly scopely replied to the complaint saying it wasa not a breach of the TOS.
cinder garden
A lvl25 Benzar smuggler drops 85 dilithium. A lvl18 Pakled thief drops 51 dilithium.
It's far easier, more efficient, and boring, to mindlessly farm enemies 5 levels below your own, than it is to farm anything at or above your own level. You should adjust the resource drop rates to match the increasing difficulty curve.
worn turtle
@sage bramble same reason I can't be given a reason/explanation of what exactly I violated on the ToS or if I even violated the ToS, just a vague if you want to know more about our policies read the ToS.
Support staff seems to be very mixed bag some of them are amazing, some aren't worth a damn.
nova sierra
Many happy miners in game š
bronze basin
@fluid jewel
fluid jewel
@bronze basin thats an old screenshot and a lucky one indeed. Congrat.
bronze basin
Haha it sure is, but I've had a few 25s since also
Back to hell today though because ops20 and 3* life
fluid jewel
Yeah, but if you weight in the demands of rss in upgrades and the output of the refinery... and get to OPS 25+ first bevor deciding because they didnt increased the demand linear but rather exponential. If this continues it is virtually impossible to reach OPS 50 now in a lifespan even when you spent heaps. Our 29 alliance member would have to spent packs for 500ā¬ to upgrade one ship slot. Not even a tier, but only one slot! Wtf.
crude kindle
@fallow granite just ask someone to fly an orion into yr base and send you the battle report. Itll tell you yr def strength.
fallow granite
@crude kindle I'd rather not have to be under attack to know it each time I want to lol
crude kindle
An orion will barely scratch the paint mate....unless yr very low level. Worth it just to know.
calm root
What's the highest their for Kehra?
@nova sierra <@&509690795536941056> here are some numbers for a T1 Kehra, as metrics and analytics seem to be important to your company.
Currently at level 20
69 Gas 3* - 2.5-5 days (120h at 12-24/day)
254 crystal 3*Ā 10.5-17.5 days (420h at 12-24/day)
800k Trit - 10 days (180h at 17h a day, 4500/h)
66 parts 3* 5 days
10.3k dilithum - 1 day mining and dailies
If I paid it would be $175 for JUST building the parts of the ship for the FIRST tier. At that rate, it would likely cost $1000 to level it to max by paying for it.
Should be
12 Gas - 1 day
24 Crystal 1-2 days
160k Trit 2 days
30 parts 2 days
10k dilithum
OR make it easier by a factor of 5 in refining, and increase the mining rate of Tritanium by a factor of 5.
If the same requirements (which it's not, it's likely gradual then steep) for 5 Tiers, it will take 50 days of mining Tritanium non stop, and between 50 and 85 days of refining.
These numbers are terrible, and are only for a lvl 20 ship. I can't imagine the weeks or months it must take to get a 25 ship or 30 ship let alone a 50 to upgrade one tier.
Reccommendation: Base the length of time to upgrade a ship similar to station buildings. In total it shouldn't take longer than 1-5 days to build up the resources to build parts and tier up a ship.
calm root
@nova sierra <@&509690795536941056> Also, if you're thinking well then upgrade your station to high level to increase the drops from the refinery to which i say that it is IMPOSSIBLE to level a Station AND a ship. And if I decided to focus on leveling my station up, then whenever there is an alliance event where my OP level is taken jnto account, j won't be able to help because my ships will be crap.
So then I leapfrog, station, then ship, etc. But unless j stop and stay at a level for a few months, I won't be able to level up my ship to a place that will make a difference in the alliance event.
10-15 days to upgrade the parts for 1 tier level 20 ship is too long.
nova sierra
I dont quite understand why everything should be so easy. There is no actual pvp ready so what would you do with all the ships? Kill miners? Raid raided stations?
People who use $ just buy off the waiting time and confront the same issue for the next goal.
calm root
How is this a crazy request? Tier 1 ships are crap against similar level ships, for example the hostile alliance hunt thing needed 300 points, at level 20 with crap ships it took me 5 hours to get that in a 12h window
I don't need easy, I need reasonable.
nova sierra
You just wanted a thing ready in less than a week with easy grinding while some people pay $175 for it according to your calculations
What would you call that if not easy? Atleast not reasonable
calm root
How is 2 months to level one ship to max reasonable?
nova sierra
Because these games are a marathon, not a sprint.
calm root
This is only level 20, it ramps up like crazy at 25 to 30
At that rate, it'll take 5 years to get to level 50
nova sierra
Iām quite well aware what it requires and what not...
calm root
Nobody got time for that
nova sierra
This game is intended to last years and years
There are similar games running 5th or 6th year
calm root
It actually makes a lot of sense that they're making it harder because there's people already mid 30 after a few months
nova sierra
The ones at mid 30 have played it for a year and were on beta servers
Testing the game
calm root
But at the same time, what's the point then? You will never be competitive if you don't pay $50k to keep up
You'll never win any of the alliance events, you will always get squashed by everyone else
nova sierra
Itās not a single player game
calm root
So I guess the moral of the story is, find a bunch of whales and let them carry you?
nova sierra
Thatās how the game is funded and thatās how itāll eventually go
As long as you are not willing to pay, you need to team up with people who does, in case you want to win.
calm root
Man that's bleak.
nova sierra
Not that different from the real world?
calm root
Hahaha screw the real world this is a game
nova sierra
Yep.
And itās up to you to figure out if itās worth your money or time
Or both
nova sierra
Itās continuous leveling up
calm root
The ultimate grind
nova sierra
Thereās no level you are ready, until you have reached the final upgrades. And then they will make more of it.
calm root
How can a game so dumb and shallow be so addicting haha
Dang chemical response similar to gambling n cra0
nova sierra
If you think it through, the game is probably less than 50% of the actual experience, rest is the community around it
If you are in bad one, you naturally wont gain the full experience and potential life long friends all around the world
calm root
That is a part I didn't factor into the mining and leveling is the grinders and abysmal protection system
My server is relatively good. The top 10 have established general rules that most follow, but there's a few dudes who just murder everything like trolls that they are
nova sierra
Thatās how it goes everywhere. Some people keep the balance and others try to disrupt it.
Exactly like in the world around your personal bubble
calm root
Dang real life, stop getting in my games that are attempts at escape from reality
nova sierra
š
calm root
I wish there was a PvE mode or like Opt in pvp. I just like putting around in my ship, mining, and building
Ah Well. It's not like there's any better game out there that I've found. Stay with the devil I know I guess haha
Good chat @nova sierra
nova sierra
šš»
I wish there were some new game around as itās getting really boring
All the old games are way too advanced to catch up without big investment
calm root
Yeah i feel ya there. I actually uninstalled this game, went around trying a bunch of similar games, then came back lol
nova sierra
This games way unbalance dont givw no rewards or freebies compared to others. Lord moblie has real event you could gather hunderds of millions in packs. If you where crazy enough to put the time you could hold save and you get rewards for events that matter
I played some games but they screwed him up so much it ain't worth it
They made a PVE game but I think it kind of sucks it's a space game
They need to do a real rework of the way things cost what they give out it looks like the design is to have some sucker spend shitload of money then find out that you have to spend thousands of dollars just to advance a little bit more and then tens of thousands just to advance just a little bit more
It's almost like they just want to take your money and make it quit so they can lessen the amount of servers
nova sierra
@nova sierra so true mate, this game has tons of potential and with the right developer could have been a fun and enjoyable game, the packs are shit, no VIP experience, no login rewards, no balance to what you receive in packs, poor refinery mechanics, poor drop rates from hostiles, I play Ideal Heroes and for 8.99 monthly card you get a shit ton of daily rewards to help level characters which is boosted by the higher level of VIP you are which makes investing in the game more enjoyable and rewarding, this game just takes, takes and takes then screws you over in the hope you spend thousands, there is no variety or depth to the packs you purchase, same old shit with one goal to make you spend more
long vigil
Ive uninstalled. None of the timers work. Tired of 8 hr shields lasting 6.5 hours etc. Here is my suggestion. Give a method to self destruct so that when people so stop rhey arent taking up space. Only spent about 120 on the game. Wasted.
misty ore
How about a yellow alert or some similar feature so we can choose to fight an attacking ship or run... Iām sick of being sniped by stronger players with a chance of choosing.
Without a choice
nova sierra
Stop telling me just to upgrade to fix obvious issues. That's not support.
misty ore
BTW, I paid real money for prime resources but can absolutely tell no difference. Has anyone seen a benefit from prime resources? Itās getting to where I canāt complete daily goals because I donāt have resources to repair my ships. Especially when some clown ganks my envoy just to score power destroyed points. BTW, I paid for prime repair but that donāt help my envoy. I need it to complete daily g3 mining goals.
nova sierra
The early research Prime Resource node gives a +100% bonus to resource production in your starbase.
calm root
@nova sierra the time to produce even with 100% bonus is abysmal. 1 2k dilithum /10h, 7500 Tritanium/8 hours, 75k parasteel/10 hours (with maxed three different generators at level 20)
At that rate, it's 50 hours to research something small, 80 hours for a small ship part, 40 hours for most level 18-20 buildings
zinc osprey
You are not meant to mine or get RSS from your station, you are meant to pay $100 for packs
calm root
Tis true. I calculated some stuff last night about cost to upgrade a t1 level 20 ship, check out some fun numbers
@@nova sierra here are some numbers for a T1 Kehra, as metrics and analytics seem to be important to your company.
Currently at level 20
69 Gas 3* - 2.5-5 days (120h at 12-24/day)
254 crystal 3*Ā 10.5-17.5 days (420h at 12-24/day)
800k Trit - 10 days (180h at 17h a day, 4500/h)
66 parts 3* 5 days
10.3k dilithum - 1 day mining and dailies
If I paid it would be $175 for JUST building the parts of the ship for the FIRST tier. At that rate, it would likely cost $1000 to level it to max by paying for it.
Should be
12 Gas - 1 day
24 Crystal 1-2 days
160k Trit 2 days
30 parts 2 days
10k dilithum
OR make it easier by a factor of 5 in refining, and increase the mining rate of Tritanium by a factor of 5.
If the same requirements (which it's not, it's likely gradual then steep) for 5 Tiers, it will take 50 days of mining Tritanium non stop, and between 50 and 85 days of refining.
These numbers are terrible, and are only for a lvl 20 ship. I can't imagine the weeks or months it must take to get a 25 ship or 30 ship let alone a 50 to upgrade one tier.
Reccommendation: Base the length of time to upgrade a ship similar to station buildings. In total it shouldn't take longer than 1-5 days to build up the resources to build parts and tier up a ship.
But I talked to a dude this morning, and it actually makes some sense. I don't like It, it's really annoying and grindy, but it's essentially designed roadblocks
They made it so that you can't get to level 50 without several years of work
But even then idk if it's possible because you wpuld need much larger sizes of vaults or you would have to pay constantly for shields because some if the late game things would require many millions of resources to be able to upgrade
If vaults were bigger for protection, or storage big enough to slowly build I'd say this game would be possible. But if not, it would cost $75 a month on Shields alone.
wispy pollen
Mining is not fun anymore, no point watching ship and or hiding under the mine or ambushing mine thieves with a strong ship under a mine. Now all I can do is try outrun the pay to play players. No strategies available while trying to mine anymore.... boring!
calm root
The only valid option left is station raiding, which only works if someone else takes the time to grind the rss or they pay for it and didn't shield. Which isn't reliable. Once people realize that raiding is the only way to get those numbers everyone will be shielded all the time
pale willow
So much for giving so called ultra tokens for events...same old events with same old rewards. And thus the only way is via $$ to get them which I and others wonāt do since this companyās only mantra is make more $. If it doesnāt get $, forget fixing it. Like previous announcements, we meant the events are via purchasing and not actual in game events. Blah blah blah
waxen vapor
Please do something about the rafinery g3 uncommons, its been days since i had anything, its really unbalanced and a pain, thanks for considering.
calm root
G2 uncommon while you're at it
(Unlikely to happen but hey, if you're actually "listening" then you'll see the level of salt around refineries and uncommon requirements at all levels being crazy)
wooden grove
"During the event, Ultra Tokens will be given as rewards for a series of different Events. Hold on to these and use them to unlock Ultra Officer Crates on days when your favorite Rare and Epic characters have 2x the chance of dropping."
So are we going to actually see any of these events...
calm root
I think so yeah the game designer dude said probably
pearl nexus
@wooden grove
It's just another unfinished project
nova sierra
Hereās some feedback. When you made it so people canāt go on a mine without mining or attacking the player on it you made it so their are ALLOT more accidental attacks. It also takes away the ability for players to use their brains and use tactics for strategic attack and defense. It take away the ability for lower lvls people to have a fighting chance against higher powered players. It appears as though your just taking another aspect of fun to try to force people to spend more money. This will backlash and make people not want to waste more money. Stop trying to FORCE people to spend in order to compete. They will spend more if the game is more fun to play. And if your gonna say the old way was a bug you fixed (bs) try fixing the most basic bug since release and fix all the broken mines. Everyone thinks this. Please stop taking the joy out of the game to make more money. Tactics makes the game have more options for people beyond the simple point and click.
pearl nexus
Not to pile on.. but how can a game launch with out the most Basic of captians ability working...
There has been how many updates.. and Crystal/Gas/Ore mining bonuses are still broken.. but hey.. Khera was Nerfed..
nova sierra
@pearl nexus mining bonus are working now
pearl nexus
O0o0.. I stand corrected.. about time
nova sierra
At least the Tri crystal and ore specialists I tested are anyway
calm root
working abysmally as intended
nova sierra
Yes
ashen magnet
I still have not uninstalled, but I am now f2p and have got all my refunds. This game is not worth spending on, STFC is a scam.
kindred cloak
@nova sierra For the north star officer on mining do not work
nova sierra
Haven't tested
vital sky
The game concept is good. Itās built on a classic model. But I am really getting fed up with the refining of grade 2 materials. Yesterday after refining 50k ore twice, I got 20 uncommon for the whole day. There should be a minimum that is greater than 0 per batch. At least 5 per batch would be nice. So if you do 3 batches for 50k you should get at least 15. At my current rate, it is going to take me another week to get to 20. And Iām already two weeks into 19. It would not be so bad if it felt like I was getting somewhere. But these 0ās in the batches make me want to find another game to play. And maybe if I have another 20 uncommon day, I just might. You need to fix the progression. Rant over.
calm root
I did a break down of some numbers if you wanted to read, don't want to repost my block of text here haha: https://www.reddit.com/r/startrekfleetcommand/comments/aosc5l/how_long_to_upgrade_a_ship_breaking_down_the/
vital sky
Yea, those numbers are off. You can do much better raiding. I mine and raid, but what bugs me is refining canāt be counted on. You get 0ās on uncommon too often
calm root
No they're not off. Raiding is unpredictable and unreliable
I base numbers off of what is objective, raiding is going to be more and more difficult because it is the only way to make leveling not take.months
Bubble purchases are gonna go way up
carmine jay
Using the x2 option is the most efficient rn @vital sky
vital sky
Yes, more efficient, but I donāt care about efficiency right now. Iāll take the hit for a third batch
carmine jay
Are you able to mine 100k of each resource daily then?
Honestly, that extra time mining is prob better spent raiding or killing hostiles
vital sky
No, I can pick one
carmine jay
I see, crystal?
vital sky
Ore, trying to get to 20
carmine jay
Ah yeah, for something specific, makes sense, GL
covert condor
Suggestion: Could we get an abort button for the recall function? Something if you hit the recall button accidentally, the button becomes an āabortā button during the initial charge phase. Itās quite annoying to have to wait for the ship to return home and then go back to where you were initially. So if the abort function existed we could avoid the accidentally recall during that initial 4 seconds. Thank you!
calm root
Or a prompt confirming we meant to hit it. I've hit it on accident so many times
If accurate this seems unbalanced... But good to know as lvl 20 I can be run over by lvl 29
rocky sinew
Iād like to say, you guys are real pieces of workā¦ You really like to screw over and piss off your customers donāt you! Now youāre going to add shipyard Levels to build faction shipsā¦ Fuck you Iām done spending money on your app
So those who are able to get in before you made the update itās cool, but the rest of us canāt take a vantage of thatā¦ You guys got a lot of work to do