Bandwidth Sharing FAQs + Troubleshooting

[robust creek]

Probably half cent per gb

[upbeat shuttle]

more like gigabytes per cent

[tidal bough]

they def increased the pay per gb I’ve never seen these earnings before

[stiff matrix]

would earnapp, honeygain or myst node interfere with sgs?

[misty furnace]

it can cause some issues:

1. Myst, EarnApp, and HoneyGain can all cause some damage to your IP's reputation. Salad requires relatively clean IPs for SGS
2. If you have unusually high traffic on any of the other apps, it can choke out the bandwidth for SGS

[stiff matrix]

ah ok thanks, good to know

my sgs was doing great for a month but now i'm not earning anything.. i'll disable those and see what happens

[misty furnace]

you can try restarting your router to see if you get a new IP

[stiff matrix]

i did recently.. didn't check if the ip changed, i dont think it does

[misty furnace]

I had the same ip for ~4 years across 6 different routers and 2 houses... it was supposedly a dynamic ip

[stiff matrix]

ha

[misty furnace]

only lost it because I switched ISPs

[visual snow]

crazy shi

prolly cause i live in sg but i havent gotten a cent these days

a cent might be too much but a dollar

is this low or high

plus some other ethernet usage but

there was like 3 or 4 days in the whole month where i got a good sgs i believe other than its just like 0.02 cents ;-;

or 0.06 or at most 0.1

i think singapore sgs just falling of fin demand rn

[gleaming shell]

how tf does Singapore have better bandwidth than the us 💀

I'd expect the us to be one of the higher demand countries as it's usually the one with highest demand for other apps

but guess what we've got like 11 dead gateways sku (even worse bc salads our only hope now every other app screwed over their users)

[civic tusk]

watch gta 6 release before the sgs revamp

[misty furnace]

we getting ww3 before gta6

[civic tusk]

we not getting sgs revamp until all the new gateways are dead 🥀

[upbeat shuttle]

we getting gta 6 before salad 2.0

[gleaming shell]

apparently jumbo frames was disabled on the virtual network adapters on my vms and thats why the speeds were like 250mbps at most 💀

set it to some high number and now i can get like 1.2gbps

doesnt really matter tho since im in the basement and i barely get like 200mbps and sometimes it randomly negotiates 2.4ghz (yes thats how bad it is down here) so its like 11mbps

[gleaming shell]

could have milked out an extra idk few cents from those 2 days the galbraith gateways had jobs

[misty furnace]

$0.0003

[upbeat shuttle]

jumbo frames make packets heavier

which is why i don't use them over wifi

[misty furnace]

gotta increase the weight to get those gains

[gleaming shell]

would be great if salad could run libresheit like a minute after startup

doesnt help when salad bowl service can max out an 8 thread cpu for a bit upon starting (or the powershells)

DIE

[gleaming shell]

stealing gateways from each other again 💀

[granite umbra]

I'm lucky enough to get daffodil gateway

[gleaming shell]

is that gateway still going strong to this day

its been very long since i got that

[granite umbra]

earnings so far

[gleaming shell]

yikes seems a bit mid

At least from what I remember

earnapp (In terms of raw earnings ONLY. Not accounting business practices and app stupidity) earns more than that rn :(

[tidal bough]

i thought this was 24 hours for a second lol

[granite umbra]

That would be nice

[tidal bough]

go north and you'll see these earnings

[waxen pollen]

4 devices

[granite umbra]

This is the peak I get

[fossil onyx]

Same ip or different locations for the devices ?

[waxen pollen]

Different IPs. Same location.

[fossil onyx]

You have multiple ISP ?

[waxen pollen]

Nope. But do have 5Gig up/down

Annoyingly, all have different gateways, even though they have different IPs. So I'm not getting different devices with the highest traffic gateways (Though IG, I'm also not getting more than 1 device with the same dead gateways either)

[misty furnace]

yeah, the one of each gateway per account thing

regardless of ip

[waxen pollen]

Yeah that just adds to the BS we're having to deal with rn. We're in dire need of a better setup/system, it really needs to be overhauled...

And they still haven't found/figured out/fixed the something/whatever is it that's blocking more than X devices from connecting to a single account.

Add that to the dead gateways we have to deal with, plus the Sh*tspeed issues. What else have i missed 😩

[misty furnace]

they are looking at a new speedtest provider right now

[waxen pollen]

Yeah, thats good news

Still, so many issues with SGS that really, really need addressing for us.

[tidal bough]

does your isp offer multiple ips? i have to upgrade to a business plan to get more than 2

and then my ip wouldnt be residential anymore lol

[misty furnace]

I think he just has 2 lines

[waxen pollen]

Only got the one now. Had enough of my Virgin Broadbands micro disconnects and cancelled it. Was ending in July i think. But got out using a clause.

@tidal bough No, they do not offer multiple IPs.

[tidal bough]

wtf is this graph
green (E-C): dead -> alive -> dead
magenta (pr): alive -> kinda dead -> very alive

[onyx fiber]

Idk why my earnings dropped speed is 1gbps

[fossil onyx]

Very strange burst at 9pm and then

[misty furnace]

bandwidth sharing is highly volatile and earnings are based on the network demand. that changes in real time

[robust creek]

I went from 5-7$ a day from 1 device to 1,80/2$ a day with 2 devices

[frigid reef]

https://tenor.com/view/nuke-the-whole-server-nuke-the-whole-server-gif-2224114553441100375

[fossil onyx]

Do we earn more if we have more uptime history ? I mean if the device is online since 30 days rather than 4 days ?

Is there any priority or queue system ?

[misty furnace]

nah

[waxen pollen]

Welcome to SGS demand 😅

[civic tusk]

isnt earnapp or pawnsapp shit or something for some reason?

[gleaming shell]

both are sh

it used to just be pawns.app that sucked due to bad earnings but within these past several months earnapp (which used to be the only decent competitor with salad) completely screwed over their users and ruined their business to scrape every single bit of profit

then pretty recently honeygain screwed their users too by 1/4th-ing their payout rate relative to few years ago

so basically the us is kinda dead in terms of bandwidth sharing right now

earnapp is just straight up abusive and terrible now, honeygain pays basically nothing now, pawns.app sucks balls and has always did, and salad is a 2-barrier thing where you have to get a desirable ip to get sgs, then pray to the gods you get one of the 2 alive gateways out of the countless many dead ones that have zero pay (and daffodil-4 from that other guys screenshot doesnt look so good too, like <20 cents per day)

might be time to apply for mcdonalds 😔

[waxen pollen]

Recently, HG did it before EA and neither did it recently. More like been like it for years at this point.

[civic tusk]

minimum of 50 DOLLARS to get an amazon gift card with earnapp

talk about scummy as f

[misty furnace]

time to put the fries in the bag

[misty furnace]

Salad isn't too much better with the redemptions. they offer lower options, but they have a pretty high overcharge on them. I wish they had just a "cash out to paypal" that sent the whole balance minus fees

[waxen pollen]

No luck there either with their plans to put robots in the kitchen and automate it all. 😅

[safe niche]

Not a single bw job ever since i updated to 1.9.10

[gleaming shell]

oh right the clankers are gonna eventually take over the jobs

[gleaming shell]

wish there was a way to force 5ghz on wifi adapter

closest thing is "preferred band"but will at times still negotiate 2.4ghz

unless 5ghz range is so bad down here, but i get like 200mbps with 5ghz and like 1-11mbps through 2.4, and it sometimes chooses 2.4

[gleaming shell]

starts salad
gets a dead gateway (galbraith 3)
restarts salad
steals gateway from other machine

[civic tusk]

I got GB-3, then got to GB-4, then got to RO-C after using a vpn server close by.

RO-C provides me with half a cent static which isn’t great but much better than the GB hell of 0 cents

[gleaming shell]

DIE

idk why im even getting the galbraiths

[civic tusk]

salad wants you to suffer

have you tried using a vpn in your state? its the only way i’m earning anything nowadays even after an IP reset

[tidal bough]

i wish salad would let us choose our own payout through tremendous as they support that

would give many more options to users in other countries

one of the sites i use does it pretty well

actually i should suggest this in salad feedback

[gleaming shell]

pawns uses tremendous aswell and when you cash out, you cash everything out and your balance is fresh at $0.00

so yeah definitely can do custom cashouts

also especially in salads case where balance expires after a year its better to leave salad with an empty balance if users ever do plan on leaving

[safe loom]

been saying this for like 2 years monster

[tidal bough]

bandwidth sharing > minimum wage when

[gleaming shell]

ive gotten sgs client with a vpn a few times in the very long past but they all died out within a few minutes (which is to be expected).
I havent been able to get sgs client to start up until these past few weeks where I magically got blessed. But since im in the closed sgs tesging group, this isnt a good thing, since this means the dead gateways are in my way

[gleaming shell]

what customer is that 💀

what even is the pay per gb

[tidal bough]

i calculated it to be at 8-9 cents per gb

[gleaming shell]

thgat would be around 400gb in an hour for the average us gateway pay per gb💀

[tidal bough]

didnt h*neygain reduce their pay per gb again

[gleaming shell]

yep, early february

[tidal bough]

so now salad has a higher pay per gb than hg at least in canada 💀

[gleaming shell]

every passive income app screwed over their users now 💀

except for salad but then theres the issue where theres like 500 dead gateways here

[tidal bough]

i've only been getting two gateways in canada even though there are like 6

and both are alive

[gleaming shell]

im trying to get connected to the second testing gateway that has static pay but salad seems to be doing a very good job right now of giving me a stupid galbraith gateways that have no reason to exist, or steal an already running gateway

[gleaming shell]

ive been getting the same 4 from the same stupid one customer that does nothing

[tidal bough]

customers probably paying to keep it active

[gleaming shell]

and thats the stupid part

sucks for chefs, waste of money for the customer, literally nothing gets done (waste of money for chefs too as theyre running their comptuer on a gateway theyll get nothing out of)

woo

[tidal bough]

it's stupid how we have to manually stop and start salad to get another gateway

[gleaming shell]

just for it to likely connect to that same gateway or another dead one

this is why id prefer just not having sgs at all and waiting until i get a good gateway then have it persistently connect to a dead gateway

[tidal bough]

im at $11.58/last 24h, coming for uk bandwidth

[gleaming shell]

one of my machines randomly restarted at like 9 am this morning and i havent been able to get the testing workload ever since 💀

for some reason i can get the second testing gateway but not the first

and instead of waiting for the first one it starts up a stupid galbraith

[tidal bough]

i know a friend whos isp (bell) offers 4 IPs, might send him a mini pc and ask him to run salad on it

[gleaming shell]

unfortunately salad seems to have an account-wide allowed gateways

so if you have all the gateways occupied on one ip, it wont start any new ones on other ips :(

ive tried it on my home internet and mobile data

[tidal bough]

iirc salad claims there is no limit, but observing here that is not the case

[gleaming shell]

yep

[gleaming shell]

why do you exist

you have absolutely no reason to exist

get out of here

you dont even reside in this country

literal waste of resources

[gleaming shell]

finally, home sweet home

they better not sunset sgs for 1.9.5 because im keeping this on 24/7, well, ill try to

[steady fjord]

my salad randomly turns off. I only share my bandwidth.

I have changed no settings, changed no files, did no tweaks, did not update salad, no windows update (I am on windows 10)

its happening since like 3 days

my PC stays on throughout the night, and salad shifts to pause indefinitely mode

[civic tusk]

didn't the sgs manager have to manually allow your ip? can't he just prioritize the gateway for your specific IP (i know it would have to change every IP you get but he might be able to prioritize your machine ID as a counter to this, at least logically speaking since i don't know anything about code)

[civic tusk]

i manually just kill the sgs process if I get something like gabagooraith

and just got the RO-C right after hibernating pc

5$ razer gold by christmas 🌹

[serene falcon]

does cgnat affect my earning potential on bandwidth sharing

[steady fjord]

not sure how salad treats IP behind cgnat, but the people sharing the same IP can definitely kill the IP reputation.

[upbeat shuttle]

cgnat sucks

in my experience i couldn't earn anything at all

[serene falcon]

i have somescreenshots

this is ipqs of ip on router web page

ip on my pc,i am really confused thou i live in india but earnapp shows device from bangladesh

[civic tusk]

i would say the best way to see if your earning potential is affected is to basically give it a few hours to a full day to see if you even connect to SGS, and checking at randomized intervals throughout the duration to see if you get anything in task manager with sgs-client.exe

[serene falcon]

yeah i am earning from sgs on this ip but very consistent,but low lke max 0.05 max

[civic tusk]

5 cents? that's not bad

at least per hour

[serene falcon]

i was earning max 0.30 an hour on same isp with static ip

how's the demand nowadays thou

[robust creek]

i see bad stuff here 👁️

[serene falcon]

hehe

i have isp which provides multiple ips they are running on different ip and doesn't affect my main ip and salad

i am safe side

[robust creek]

ah ok

[serene falcon]

😁

by the way hows the demand nowadays

[robust creek]

📈 📉 📈 📉 constant

[serene falcon]

hm same here

[robust creek]

you hold balance to have lower fees?

[civic tusk]

not great at least in US

[serene falcon]

yes maybe will cashout at 200

or just keep holding

[civic tusk]

but its never great in US because nearly every other country has a better profit for SGS

[civic tusk]

don’t treat salad like a bank account

[serene falcon]

yeah i heard alot of bad about us bandwidth

[civic tusk]

you can lose the balance at any time

if salad just decides to ban you or if you get hacked they won’t help

[serene falcon]

oh sh

maybe i guess cashout at 110 then

[robust creek]

the money you see on the balance of these apps is never truly yours until you obtain them outside 👁️

[serene falcon]

hm

[robust creek]

see earnapp banned me without any reason and even blacklisted my ip, lost 20$

[serene falcon]

earnapp yeah i heard from alot of my friends too

they do that

for no reason

so should i get static ip to avoid cgnat it's only 2.5dollar month for static ip

[robust creek]

i'm forced to have static ip with my isp, can't get dynamic or even change it XD

[serene falcon]

same happened with me

static ip deactivation was long process for me, ihad 1 day wit hno internet just because i deactivated my static ip

[steady fjord]

I thought you used airtel

[gleaming shell]

i could be wrong but I believe my entire salad account is tied to the gateways. maybe na-saf gateway was full so I could only get na-lif? either way i eventually got both

you should join the testing so you get something other than the crap dead gateways 💀(well idk if its even open maybe it is)

[serene falcon]

I have airtel and netplus, netplus has no fup limit

[misty furnace]

it's a backend flag that authorizes your account to connect to the servers. it's up to the backend to assign the workload though, not guaranteed to be the test workload

[safe loom]

you should be happy you don't have a cgnat or dynamic

im paying 10 a month to have a static ip

[upbeat shuttle]

my static ip is free because i complained

[gleaming shell]

10 dollars a month here for a static ip, and its a cancerous process

or 5 dollars a month for my old isp

i doubt any complaining to my isp would convince them the slightest bit to give a static ip

[safe loom]

mine is flicking a switch in my NBN service page

i love leaptel ❤️

they talk to me in their support chat like a discord text channel

it's awesome

genuinely never seen a capital letter in leaptel live chat other than the greeting message

😭

[civic tusk]

i think its closed testing or everyone would be trying it out

[gleaming shell]

it is, just not sure if they're open for more users at the moment. Dedicated channel has been dead for a bit and there's been no new updates regarding it in a while

[waxen pollen]

They said in the last SOS stream that you just have to ask to be added to the closed test. If your on about the US gateways test

[gleaming shell]

yep

[civic tusk]

Who and where do i ask

[gleaming shell]

Jared or ek (the sgs manager)

[gleaming shell]

@waxen pollen found out why my vms keep screwing over even with higher thread counts than yours :(
for some reason the vms arent using AMD-V and are using a "slow mode". the option is grayed out for some reason

not sure why though, also notice securable shows my computer as not supporting hardware virtualizaation, but if i disable virtualization it shows _"yes"

and of course, if i disable virtualization virtualbox and every other virtualiization based thing doesnt work

and i realized its with all my computers, regardless of cpu

idk if the built in windows hyper-v manager performs better, i guess ill try it then migrate over there if it even does anything, or i guess ill have to just run my vms off 8 vcpus which is fine but just adds an extra 10 watts

[waxen pollen]

I used to use HyperV before moving to Proxmox. Never really had that much of an issue setting up VMs, other than the learning curve.

[waxen pollen]

Hmmm that is odd

[gleaming shell]

crap i just realized salad doesnt like anything remote desktop related and hyperv uses rdp (i think?)😭

idk if itll cry about it

only one way to find out

[waxen pollen]

Just use Chrome remote to connect to the VMs. It doesn't mess with it

[gleaming shell]

yeah if it ends up not working ill just do that instead of using the built in hyper v interface since i believe that uses rdp

[misty furnace]

bro why is that so blurry

[gleaming shell]

old software with this weird background + weird resolution through remote desktop app 💀

[waxen pollen]

Yeah never connect via the built-in HyperV interface. It's a pain in the hoop. Chrome remote desktop fixed it and you can copy paste and upload to the VM via it too.

[misty furnace]

software is a few years older than you

[gleaming shell]

ok hyper-v software is way faster than virtualbox

and way more cpu efficient

[waxen pollen]

It's not perfect. Has it's issues, but does work for the most part without issues

[gleaming shell]

if only salad didnt cry about rdp i could directly use the hyper v interface to interact with convinience 😔

[waxen pollen]

Hate that it doesn't display network traffic and ram (Think it's ram, could be CPU) within the host

[waxen pollen]

TBH, chrome remote worked so much better. And from within a web browser. It was awesome

I just wish Proxmox had an easy was of copying/pasting and uploading files as chrome remote dose

[gleaming shell]

wow the salad bowl service doesnt even run with rdp 💀

[waxen pollen]

It does, it just interrupts it, which causes SGS to disconnect and reconnect. Losing whatever job you had.

[gleaming shell]

yep that

ok just gotta make sure i never press the "connect" button through the actual interface

[misty furnace]

but what if I told you there was an east way of transferring files... set up ssh on the VMs and use either scp (cli tool for copying files over ssh) or install the ssh extension in vscode and use that to manage files

scp is installed by default on windows and linux, but you need the ssh server running on windows for it to work from other devices

also, set up ssh keys so you don't need a password.

[waxen pollen]

I'm still a Proxmos noob and never really messed with SSH before.

I mostly just want the ability to copy past from my main PC (Not the host) into a vm from Proxmox's web browser interface

[gleaming shell]

ok yep hyper v is definitely way better, no issues on 4 vcpus and my physical cpu idles at the same power it would if no vms were running

maybe i could also set it to 2vcpus but idk if itll trigger the "chop indefinitely" or if in the future there is a lot of bandwidth it could screw things up

ill stick with 4 vcpus for now. with the power efficiency on hyperv i dont think cutting it down to 2vcpus would further reduce power, as im already at the lowest my cpu idles at

[waxen pollen]

depends on what your ISO requires

[waxen pollen]

there also no real point in lowering the VCores if your not going to take advantage of adding more VMs either.

Just make sure you put it all on dynamic (Ram option) and Gen2 options when setting up the VMs

[upbeat shuttle]

i had to use scp recently and it was fine one-off, but i wouldn't wanna use it regularly

since I've got a NAS, I just connected all the VMs to a new share and that's way easier

for people that don't have a NAS, you could probably host an smb share on your main pc for the vms to connect to

[fleet merlin]

why and how you got blacklisted?

[robust creek]

They banned my account for no reason and the ips attached to it were blacklisted so i cannot use them even with new accounts

[gleaming shell]

earnapp issues the most bans out of all these apps, its absurd

absolutely ridiculous that you can get banned for running it in a vm when the app PHYSICALLY WONT LET YOU EARN MORE FROM MULTI DEVICE ON ONE IP, and considering how easily the app simply kills itself you basically dont have extra "fallback" devices

they keep using the same stupid excuse of "earnapp is for pocket money and not active income"

also they use ipqualityscore as the service that determines ip, and we all know how stupid that site is aswell

[gleaming shell]

oh and right you also get banned if you have too many devices for that same stupid reason

they claim theres "no limit to the amount of ips and devices you can use" but then stupidly contradict themselves by banning people with many ips n stuff

many ways to get banned, and many of which are just straight up stupid

[waxen pollen]

That's because they simply hate people using proxies to make more than pocket change. (Their words)

[waxen pollen]

Yeah that 😩

[tidal bough]

the netflix pattern

[gleaming shell]

9 cents per gb for this 💀

ok ik ive been talking about earnapp a lot here but i really gotta share this here because wtf is this lmao

earnapp explicity and directly LIED to us united states users during their transition to "pay per time"

[gleaming shell]

this message is from vita, the owner of earnapp, saying: "after the update [transition to abusive pay per time model] uses will earn even more"

so from what was a consistent 50 cents per day with some days even over a dollar from traffic overflow due to extra demand, plummeted to a barely 30 cents per day (more like 28 cents after time error) while users get abused and have dollars upon dollars of gigabytes used for the same bad pay

and they claim that after the update theyll "earn more"

amazing company, amazing app (sarcastic)

so scummy they cant even get their facts right 💀 claims "better earnings for everyone" when the us literally got nerfed to the point of uncompetitiveness, claims "earnapp earns the most" (bs until honeygain also screwed us over, also we still got salad as a potential), also claims theres "no limit on the amount of IPs you can use" but then proceeds to pull some "dont use too many ips or well ban you"

[civic fern]

@gleaming shell i want to remind you that us traffic was valued 10x than any other country for whatever reason

0.10 cents per gb everywhere except in the us

[gleaming shell]

i still find this message pretty funny, claiming users will earn more

also once people started protesting about bad US raw earnings, THEN he said "worse for the us but better for everyone"

[gleaming shell]

oh yeah back when it was pay per gb model yeah

literally was the only thing that made earnapp a competitor to salad in us bandwidth

but now were down to only salad

[civic fern]

Yeah

Honeypain shot itself in the foot

Pawns.app always been meh

Earnapp is dead (to me)

[gleaming shell]

earnapp so scammy theyre just coming up with bs and lying to users

[gleaming shell]

yeah its been meh
but they did remove the bandwidth sharing part of the mobile app (that worked perfectly fine btw) for "maitenence" and now its been many months and said "maitenence" is still not fixed and now the bandwidth sharing option isnt even on mobile

and to this day its still under so called "maitenence"

average passive income app

screw things over then never fix them 💀

i really did have some good hope for earnapp a while back but they basicallly killed their main advertising point and their app all in just some months

anyways, i got a 1.8 cpu container on salad right now, wonder how long thatll last

oh and the sgsses are way better on the hyper v, fully responsive and zero deaths

[gleaming shell]

virtual network adapter can do like 22gbps too (not that id have a use for it or even hardware that can do all that)

[civic tusk]

Does Jared check his DM's more often than Ek?

[misty furnace]

usually

[waxen pollen]

You mean Scamgain right. The OG scam app

[gleaming shell]

yeah jared is more active on discord

honeypain, scamgain, earncrap, pawns.crap

idk a good one for salad but its not deserving of a bad name (yet)

[waxen pollen]

I like the earncrap nickname. First time hearing it. (Or reading it LOL)

The other nickname for HG used to be scamalot

[gleaming shell]

i made it up just now 💀 unless someone has said it before (which im sure someone did, somewhere)

[waxen pollen]

Probs, i've been out of the EA bubble for a while now. I won't touch it with a 10-foot barge pole.

Never again

Salad is my only hope now

[gleaming shell]

once i get my internet installed this spring / the sgs customer here in the us doesnt disappoint us then ill dip

salads the only hope in the us aswell but its not so optimal with the current sgs system and customers that probably forgot they have an active sgs subsctiption

[waxen pollen]

Far too many dead gateways. They NEED to correct this and soon.

[gleaming shell]

Salad Dead gateway service

[waxen pollen]

https://discordapp.com/channels/509419745834041355/1339387100885418096/1477071339889098865

Make yourselves known ☝️That this is something we want addressing with your upvotes

[gleaming shell]

only company/app with potential for us bandwidth-based earnings

[waxen pollen]

It's stupid, the US used to be EA highest traffic zone. That really screwed US users over. Likely just limiting traffic and therefore more payout for themselves. Greedy ......

Actually, IK there were limiting traffic to around 200mbs per devices before i left the app.

[gleaming shell]

Yep and that along with stopping signing their latest installers so now they just give a so-called solution of "disable windows defender until the app randomly downloads the installer then install it that way"

[waxen pollen]

Or moreover, before i was banned off the app and Discord. For not doing anything that was against their TOS at the time.

[waxen pollen]

It's a sinking ship

Do wish there was one other legit BW app out there that had good traffic for me, though. Having all my eggs in one basket. Isn't ideal

[civic tusk]

What is jareds username as I cannot find him in the server using the search bar on top right

[gleaming shell]

jarrot_salad

[gleaming shell]

they might be pretty busy tho

[waxen pollen]

Have to set it to from a specific user option. Just an FYI 🙂

[gleaming shell]

typing

[upbeat shuttle]

god i hate typing

half way through some big message and i just find flaws everywhere

only worthwhile thing out of it was bringing up this blatant lie on salad's sgs page

just run a second pc and there ya go, a second customer is connected to your IP address. it is no longer dedicated. it is shared with more than one customer at a time.

[waxen pollen]

What's even is the issue if the chef has fast enough bandwidth

A stupid rule that i'm paying out of my nose for, to have separate IPs on each of my devices.

[upbeat shuttle]

I'm glad that in its current state, you can connect to multiple sgs gateways under the same ip (and of course one account, because who would break the TOS here?!)

[waxen pollen]

Just so Salad can't ban me for using the same IP

[waxen pollen]

The limit of one account is BS when there's a bug that prevents you from adding all the devices you want to run on Salad and i pay to have each of my devices on a different IP and a lot too.

[gleaming shell]

theres really not anything malicious you can do with multiple accounts now anyways, considering referrals dont exist anymore

[upbeat shuttle]

the limit of one account is to make things fair and also to prevent the centralisation of salad's decentralised products

there are still reasons for users to only be allowed one account

[waxen pollen]

to prevent centralisation?

of what

[upbeat shuttle]

the whole point is that it's decentralised 😭

[waxen pollen]

of what? Are you talking about the IP?

[upbeat shuttle]

you literally showed us what happens when your internet or power goes out - gigabits per second of bandwidth suddenly cuts out on salad's customers

[waxen pollen]

Ohh, you're talking about the chefs network connection.

As i said, broadband traffic is just a pass-through from out hardware. It's not like GPUs, Yeah theres ofc a hit, but it shouldn't be as much as containers.

Also Salad has said they want more SGS devices from users that can scale up. It's gonna be like that, as your not working with data centres. You're working with regular chefs.

EK said to me that it's advantageous for Salad to have more devices on the network. They just ask that we do not have too many devices on the same IP node and that it's in different areas of your region.

Plus if salad wasn't so sensitive to micro outages. If my router goes down for less than 1 min, I've lost all connections, i'm back to square one. Heck, even a second or two. It's far too sensitive. Containers get time to reconnect without losing the job they were on.

[upbeat shuttle]

nah that's totally fair imo

it's either strict, or it's open to abuse / open to shit quality nodes

[waxen pollen]

how does giving us time to reconnect from a random micro outage open to abuse?

Don't streaming services buffer? Meaning giving us x seconds to reconnect to the internet shouldn't be an issue

Yeah ofc regular instances of this happening i could see being an issue, but again. streaming services should be buffering their clients streams

[upbeat shuttle]

Honestly I don't remember the scenario I had in my head when I typed abuse , I more just mean the latter point of shit quality nodes, or nodes with shit quality ISPs or routers that cut out for 'just a few seconds' on a regular basis.
If Salad were to draw a line at 'a cutout lasting a couple seconds', well then how frequently would it tolerate these cutouts? 'up to two cutouts lasting a couple seconds a day'? why not three? or four? or why not more than a couple seconds? All of these compromises would directly negatively impact Salad's customers, as well as the customers' customers, by not punishing poorly performing nodes. Good nodes with no outages and long uptimes deserve more traffic. You seem to know this, but also not know this.

[waxen pollen]

I'm talking more about my own instance here ofc. I've had 2 router micro disconnects in the last 2 months. Both were for less than 1 minute according to GlassWire, and those would have been for a few seconds of losing connection and reconnecting right away.

I feel we should get a grace period just like Containers do. With ofc some limits to keep the quality of the connection high, if that is needed. But even those with stable internet can face random micro disconnects from time to time, which means i lost everything and had to restart all over again. Which often takes days to get back were i was.

I can't even add a second backup line because of how sensitive SGS is to micro-disconnects.

Heck i wiggle the ethernet cable to make sure it's seated correctly and it knocks SGS out.

has happened to me before. It's bonkers

[upbeat shuttle]

When you stream Netflix, YouTube, etc. for yourself, it buffers - big spikes of download and then nothing for a good while. But Salad's traffic isn't like this, and I assume that's because it's buffering for many customers' customers per node. Meaning a node that suddenly disconnects will suddenly interrupt at least a couple sub-customer's active buffers.
Now to be fair to you, ideally the streaming service will attempt to buffer more video wayy in advance while the user already has a healthy buffer, leaving enough time for it to fail over to another node without the sub-customer even noticing.
But to be un-fair to you, how does anyone in this pipeline know that you're a stable node anymore? How do they know it was absolutely just a simple one-off issue that has now been resolved and will never happen again? They don't know that, so they will assume your node is unstable and needs to build its reputation back up from square one-ish. I assume Salad's logic incorporates some of your account's / node's history in giving you a bit of leniency compared to a fresh newb Salad user.

[upbeat shuttle]

odd, I don't get micro disconnects with my ISP, I get either perfect service, or actual outages. Which I guess has its upsides and downsides

[waxen pollen]

Hmm that is a fair point, if that is how it is.

IG all i can say to that is SGS needs a better system. One that can track things a bit better or gives you a rep score that the client can see. Just thinking here

[upbeat shuttle]

I would love to see sgs improved, but I also fear it

It's the same as whenever I update any application, or with any windows 11 update nowadays

the chances of things getting worse are way higher than them getting better

[waxen pollen]

I dunno. I used to get them all the time and it turned out to be a local issue around me that has since been fixed. Has been for a month now.

Or rather, has been fixed since late jan.

I'm not sure why it's randomly disconnected for less than 1 min twice since.

[waxen pollen]

Ohhhh fricking windows 😭😭

[waxen pollen]

Yeah there is always that chance. I can only hope Salad stays fair and doesn't start going down the same route as all the other BW apps.

[upbeat shuttle]

I just set up a family member with a laptop running Windows 11 IoT LTSC 24H2 because of it 🥶

it ran all the games as it should

microsoft store not being installed apparently wasn't an issue for minecraft either

though even if it was, that would've only affected the official minecraft launcher anyways, and they could just use prism or whatever instead

[waxen pollen]

I've not logged in to Curse Launcher (And subsequently my MC account) via the MC store. Though i am signed into Microsoft with Windows. So that may be why. I did hear that it was now required or something. Which is a stupid joke.

[upbeat shuttle]

they've slowly boiled the frog in how integrated minecraft is with microsoft now

[waxen pollen]

🙄

[upbeat shuttle]

they're even adding in age restriction bs to java now

[waxen pollen]

The fact i'm having to relog into some MC services when i'm already logged into my MC win11 account is annoying and a joke.

[upbeat shuttle]

whenever i reinstall windows next, i'm just gonna not sign in to windows with my microsoft account, and i'll only use third-party minecraft launchers like prism

[waxen pollen]

I logged into a load of outlook accounts the other day after i reinstalled win11, MC made me re-auth them all 2 days later. 😩

[waxen pollen]

I don't even know how you'd do that now. IK you can, there are still ways

[upbeat shuttle]

they make it so difficult

[waxen pollen]

I hate that is forces you to log in to your PC and it's not obvious how to remove that to a local account and thus have no login requirement. I finally found out how to for all my VMs a few weeks ago.

[upbeat shuttle]

you were signing in with a microsoft account to all your vms? 🥶

[waxen pollen]

Should let you set the pass as no pass as an option when setting up the PC/VM or just not have to sign into a stupid MC account at all. Yeah it's great for security, but thats never been there intent.

[waxen pollen]

Yeah. was hell on earth 😅

Really should have looked into how to start with a local account tbh

[upbeat shuttle]

that's weird, did your network drivers work immediately from the start of the setup? for me, there were no network drivers, so it showed me the button for 'i don't have internet', and i skipped right past having to sign in with a microsoft account

oh or maybe the difference is in the iso we used

that might be more likely

since iirc you just used home

[waxen pollen]

Using Proxmox, i setup a VM with the network driver and then cloned it.

[waxen pollen]

I had tried one ISO that had sign-in all disabled. But it had issues being cloned

Ayways, i'm off to bed. I'll reply in the morning 🙃

[upbeat shuttle]

ah i didn't clone mine at all

[waxen pollen]

Yeah i did. Actually saves a lot of time

[upbeat shuttle]

i suppose at your scale that's make sense, it'd probably save a lot of time. for me i was only setting up a couple vms simultaneously

[tidal bough]

wow

if it hits $2 im not getting a job

plus the other gateway this is $2.19/hour peak

WHATTT

wtf i looked away and it got higher

[upbeat shuttle]

nice :)

unfortunately probably won't last long, so enjoy it while you can

[gleaming shell]

that upper limit for the next hour would require around 800gb (gigabytes) of bandwidth usage within an hour for the average pay per gb here in the us 💀

if i did the math right

holy ppg

[tidal bough]

$2.62 now
which customer is paying 10 cents per gb for netflix 💀

[gleaming shell]

💀

[gleaming shell]

neighboring country, yet a completely different type of customers 💀

got a 10 cent per gb + active traffic on one side and on the other side of the border its 12 dead gateways 4 of which are carried by a single customer alone, 3 of which mustve gotten deported because they arent even in the conutry

[tidal bough]

"chopping power: 1/7 degraded" 💀

[gleaming shell]

ohh you also run your sgs in a vm? 💀

i recently migrated to hyper v since virtualbox is balls

[tidal bough]

yes, i use proxmx

[gleaming shell]

well, it isnt but for some reason its running in "slow mode" even though amd-v is enabled and everything virtualization related is enabled in bios

switched to hyper-v and now my cpu idles as if it was running nothing, and the virtual network adapter can do 22gbps than the 1.2gbps on virtualbox

unfortunately, i have to use a seperate remote app since connecting through the hyperv interface starts a rdp session then kills sald

which isnt too much of a big deal

[tidal bough]

proxmox is great but the igpu is stealing 4gb of my ram and i cant restart or else i lose sgs

[gleaming shell]

also thought about using a gpu passthrough for the vms but i have no use so didnt bother

[gleaming shell]

i love the 2 testing gateways in the us, as well as daffodil-4 and any other gateway that is a contributing thing to society and the salad chefs (doesnt exist there to have no throughput)

except for dandelion gateway further into its life since it was broken for months but salad kept distributing it to users^

oh you said "i lose sgs" i thought you said "I love sgs"

[tidal bough]

it doesnt make sense because i'd expect the us to have much more demand than canada

[gleaming shell]

in that case i would feel bad killing sgs over here 💀

i wouldnt*

[gleaming shell]

the us is typically the main country with large throughput for other bandwidth sharing apps, unfortunately its a different story for salad lol

but atleast salad doesnt do scam business practices and actively disappoint their users (except for the gateway situation) then ban anyone who tries to criticize

[tidal bough]

in #show-off-your-earnings it looks like UK bw has fallen off compared to what it was 2 years ago

[gleaming shell]

im sure it did 💀

years back 2 people earned almost 20 dollars in a day from bandwidth

its also fallen in the us as well (not even taking account the dead gateway situation)

us bandwidth peaked at december 2023ish

(well in true words it peaked in those 2 days the galbraith gateways for some reason had a mssive insurgence of jobs but for reasons i wont consider that as :peak")

[gleaming shell]

w 48 days without any incidents

1.2 days without incidents and counting

0 cpu usage 💀

[tidal bough]

4 incidents in total since i installed proxmox

[gleaming shell]

im sure itll last longer than virtualbox (4 days at most without incident)

my hp laptop went 97 days until funny windows update 😔

i wanted to celebrate the big 100

[ornate wharf]

Can anyone send the old glasswire link

[gleaming shell]

This is the one I use

[tidal bough]

ts just doesnt want to die

[gleaming shell]

wow

Mobile data so bad it won't even send

amazing

[serene falcon]

Can i ask what are your network adapter confige settings plz

I just messed up with mine and found out it actually has affect on bandwidth earning

[tidal bough]

i never touched network adapter settings

[gleaming shell]

couldn't send because my mobile data is so bad pinging sometimes doesn't even work but heres a link to the older downloads for glasswire https://glasswire.en.softonic.com/versions I use 2.3.449

it has the stupid idiot pop-up window to update but it only happens once per session

[ornate wharf]

Thank uuu

[safe peak]

is this correct?

[serene falcon]

2026-02-28 17:39:37.090 +05:30 [INF] Running with args: --ipv4
2026-02-28 17:39:37.107 +05:30 [INF] Retrieving server list from https://librespeed.org/backend-servers/servers.php
2026-02-28 17:39:52.109 +05:30 [INF] Retry with /.well-known/librespeed
2026-02-28 17:40:07.124 +05:30 [INF] Error when fetching server list: Get "https://librespeed.org/backend-servers/servers.php/.well-known/librespeed": context deadline exceeded (Client.Timeout exceeded while awaiting headers)
2026-02-28 17:40:07.124 +05:30 [INF] Terminated due to error.

ndm logs.

[waxen pollen]

Thats fair and yeah, much easier with just a few. When it's takes you hrs to getup a load of them to how you like the image to be. Making changes to all VMs even takes a fair while 😅

[waxen pollen]

I wish Salad would disclose each per GB rate for every region.

[waxen pollen]

Still far and i mean far cheaper than what EA clients are paying them per GB and then takes 99% of it as profit for themselves. Leaving the cows with pittance

[waxen pollen]

Your welcome 😄

[waxen pollen]

I used to have all my VMs open in a web browser (Use Firefox as it auto put the tab in sleep mode after X time) and would just switch between them when needed. Was easy as pie

[waxen pollen]

I found that i made far far and i mean far more just running SGS devices for the amount of ram i was giving a 4090 to make upwards of $6.20 a day.

[waxen pollen]

Other BW apps do internet scraping to make money. It's a total different ball game than what Salad does. And unfortunately for the US, there's not much streaming demand within the US. Compared to other countries.

[civic tusk]

yeah i never do feature updates anymore

still on 23H2 on my main pc

only gonna move to 24H2 when security updates are cut

[upbeat shuttle]

I'm surprised windows hasn't forced any newer versions on you yet

[civic tusk]

i use the christitus tool to block feature updates for 2 years

and security updates are delayed by a couple days in case they screw something up

[upbeat shuttle]

oh cool

[waxen pollen]

Which is more often than it should be

[waxen pollen]

#salad-feedback message Make your votes heard SGS chefs 😅

[gleaming shell]

1.8 container is not disappointing 💀

[civic tusk]

is the D4 SGS gateway decent or is it bad?

[gleaming shell]

the gateway recently has been pretty mid
unfortunately though, it is the best gateway in the us available for all

[civic tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/plankton-plankton-meme-gif-15640350090336605258

[gleaming shell]

im not sure if lotus gateway is still around, i havent seen it in a long while or anyone post about it

it was the other gateway that had jobs

[civic tusk]

i've just been seeing galbraith, ro-c (on vpn), and Daffodil 4

[gleaming shell]

imagine if lotus gateway is dead now (idk if it is) but if thats the case the us would be down to only one gateway with jobs

with everything else dead jobless

[civic tusk]

it would be insane if salad genuinely removed the lotus gateway but not the galbraith crap

[gleaming shell]

its been the testing gateways (mainly) for me since ive been forced on them, but occasionally still do get the galbraiths, and occasionally franklin that has zero reason to exist

[gleaming shell]

unfortunately it would mean the customer of lotus gateway left salad

but either way it wouldnt be good if the us has like 13 gateways for everyone to get at ramdom but only one of them even does anything, mid at most

[civic tusk]

so basically galbraith customer hasn't left salad but the gateway has been deader than a doornail?

[gleaming shell]

yeah unfurntately its the case with many of the us customers

i believe all 4 of the galbraith gateway is all held up by a single customer alone

screw that person in particular if thats the case

but also screw every other customer under a dead gateway

[civic tusk]

makes no sense for them to have them still as a customer if they don't pay salad or chefs money

[gleaming shell]

yeah literally waste of resources

[civic tusk]

if i were salad i would give them 3 months and if no bandwidth were provided they get kicked off

[gleaming shell]

if a chefs salad balance expires after zero activity for a while, sgs customers should have their gateways paused/closed off aswell after a while

almost all of these gatewyas have been dead jobless since day 1, some of them have existed for over years now

[civic tusk]

when i'm in a waste money competition and my opponent is galbraith customers (instant loss to them no diff)

[gleaming shell]

i believe its the customer that pays for the gateways, if i remember what ive been told

either way still ultimately a loss for the other side, and the chef side, its sucks

[civic tusk]

ok i corrected it

[gleaming shell]

wonder if the customers just forgot they even have a gateway

if the dead gateways were to close after x time without activity then its less useless wasteful charges incurred on the customer and its less of a headache for us chefs

[civic tusk]

i think d4 might be dead

not even getting static pay

oh wait nvm it kicked me off

[gleaming shell]

unfortunately we dont got that here in the us

died off a long time ago 😔

[civic tusk]

are your testing gateways always in demand or do you get static pay when those are out of demand?

[gleaming shell]

at the moment theyre dead jobless becuase the customer hasnt started testing, its up until around april to see if they disappoint us or not
but theres a 48 cent static pay for both of the gateways

[civic tusk]

that's RO-C level static pay

wait never mind that's a lot better than RO-C static pay lmao

[waxen pollen]

Thats better than any of the UKs static pay rates and by a long shot

7cents static pay

[safe niche]

guys why is bandwidth dead in india 🥀

two days since i last got a bw job

[waxen pollen]

Possible due to lack of demand or an overabundance of supply

How many gateways does India have? It's just one right?

[safe niche]

ye i think

the singapore one

[tidal bough]

!!
first ever double digit earnings

[gleaming shell]

no way lmao

bros earnings more than uk bandwidth during their peak times

[tidal bough]

and it isnt even saturating my connection since the ppg is so high 💀

[gleaming shell]

Imagine saturation

Sucks the us not only has bad content-delivery type demand but a bad case of dead gateways

[gleaming shell]

Is that gateway even based off content delivery type workloads? No way it's like 9 cents per GB for streaming video

[tidal bough]

assuming perfect saturation (940mbps continuous for 1 hour), that would be $42.3/hour

[tidal bough]

its is like 98% video

netflix to be exact

still going fairly strong after the $3/hour peak

[gleaming shell]

apparently the testing workloads in the us aren't content delivery and have higher pay rates but idk if the customer will even do anything

They're not expected to start testing until around april

Imagine na saf and na lif are just dead gateways aswell

hopefully not

[tidal bough]

i still dont get why they're paying 8-10 cents per gb for netflix like you can get your own residential connection for cheaper

[gleaming shell]

Yeah that's like data scraping rates 💀

customer must be rich

[tidal bough]

imagine if customer or salad accidentally typed an extra zero

[gleaming shell]

imagine someone with like bulk ips take all the demand

[waxen pollen]

How many devices?

[gleaming shell]

^and the bulk IP guy is ironically here 💀

[tidal bough]

3

[tidal bough]

im just glad he isnt in canada

[waxen pollen]

Dang, thats is not bad at all

[gleaming shell]

he's gonna rent some land there and buy some weather proof server 💀

[waxen pollen]

Who that? Not me right? RIGHT lol

[tidal bough]

if i was in ontario i could be getting 4 ips from bell

[gleaming shell]

the IP situation here is still pretty bad for isps

we're still off cgnat ipv4's with no ipv6 support

[waxen pollen]

Last time i checked, my per-day earnings was $80. Was 7 higher, but my internet had a micro oppsie the other day 😩

[tidal bough]

meanwhile isps here just giving routable ips like free candy

[gleaming shell]

I have no clue if after paying for a static IP, If ISPs here still give you their cgnat dynamic ips

[tidal bough]

i assume its because very few customers know how to take advantage of the extra ips

[gleaming shell]

so idk if it's even possible to get multiple ips here

For now my workaround for having multiple ips is a home Internet and my mobile data through tailscale that has ipv6

[waxen pollen]

Meh, what happened to my IP

[reef linden]

death

british IP of course it's fraudulent

[waxen pollen]

Might be time to try get a new IP. No way thats due to anything i did. OR least i hope not

[gleaming shell]

mines been pinned at 100 for a long while, my apps work fine somehow

[tidal bough]

my network setup:
vmbr0 -> bridge to home network, gets nat ip
vmbr1 -> bridge to ONT, each vm connected gets own public ip

[waxen pollen]

Well it is shared (Cgnat) So no matter what i do. It can get fudged

[gleaming shell]

yep

[tidal bough]

i dont even want to check my ip in fear checking it would mess it up

[waxen pollen]

Doesn't work like that lol

[gleaming shell]

I wanna start a third VM that uses my mobile data IP so I can save some electricity by migrating from my laptop running honeygaun and ea, but of course there's always a catch with their tos

[waxen pollen]

I really hope SGS linux public version comes out soon

I wonder how much ram per device i could get away with at that point

[waxen pollen]

Seems only reason it's got a bad score is due to being seen as a proxy

Though if i put it on very strict is also comes up as a bot 🤔

[gleaming shell]

same here, with bot activity

the business plans for ipqs also mark my ip as "mobile"

[waxen pollen]

When why and how does that happen then?

[gleaming shell]

💀

[gleaming shell]

ive heard ipqs isnt the most accurate site

they skew the scores a lot

[tidal bough]

you have an ipqs business plan?

[waxen pollen]

Ohh wow really, So due to CGnat. It's out of my hands that it gets seen as a proxy then. Thats BS

[gleaming shell]

i dont 💀 someone else with a business account checked it for me

[gleaming shell]

yeah unfortunately its like that

[waxen pollen]

Who can afford one of those lol

[gleaming shell]

even with the option to have less strictness with shared ips it can still display high results

[waxen pollen]

Thats super fair then...

Really wish the interwebs would move to IPV6 already 🙄

[gleaming shell]

havent earned this much since the 2 days the galbraiths had jobs 💀

actually no this is the most ive ever earned in 24h i think

i think i just reached a new peak earning 💀

ok yeah this was from the galbraith insurgence

[waxen pollen]

Nice

Hope it sticks around. Thats my normal lol

per 4/5 devices

[gleaming shell]

if only i expanded the virtual disks on the vms maybe i could get a chance of getting cpu continers on the sgs vms aswell 💀

but no way ill get anything with like 7gb free disk space and expandable ram up to 4gb + 4vcpus

maybe if cpu containers get better i could increase the resource but for now the vms are sgs only

[waxen pollen]

very unlikely

Using those rss for SGS would go much further

In earnings

You just got to think about how you can do that

I assure you, there is a way

Though the more you add, the more of a pain in the hoop it will be to get them on a paying gateway. Something I do not envy

US has a stupid amount of dead gateways

[civic tusk]

i've never earned a cent from CPU jobs

[gleaming shell]

cpu containers honestly kinda flopped lol

[civic tusk]

i don't even think I earned more than like a small decimal from cpu jobs

maybe like $3e-90

and my cpu is legit workstation grade

8c16t up to 4.5ghz

and it has AVX

[gleaming shell]

same 💀 except 4.7ghz (4.64 with gpu load increasing system temps)

[civic tusk]

its the only reason I have cpu disabled

[waxen pollen]

Pretty much same here

[civic tusk]

i'll be damned if it pays me a decimal i can't write on a piece of paper because it's that small but also taking up all my system resources

[gleaming shell]

cpu containers were pretty promising the earlier days when salad even went as far as removing cpu mining because there were " enough containers to go around for everyone" and now here we are still having very little cpu containers, most of which dont really last lol and almost all are the unprofitable 10 cent ones that are guaranteed to use more electricity if on a high power laptop or a desktop

[waxen pollen]

Even with a 16core 32thread Ryzen 9 3950X

[waxen pollen]

Though it could also be due to having a 4090 and it always taking the better job option

[civic tusk]

think about it this way

since containers are prioritized more than SGS

in the eyes of salad cpus are worth more than bandwidth

when the payment we get obv doesn't signify this

[waxen pollen]

Not in the UK they are not lol

SGS defo always earned more than CPU continers

[civic tusk]

sgs is the only reason i have 5 dollars

and it's also the reason i haven't been able to earn crap today (rerolled gateways because they were ALL dead and salad decided i wasn't worth the 'risk' for their precious unused gateways)

[waxen pollen]

Well, this sucks. Why has today been worse in the last 4 days

Can you tell when my internet had a micro oppsie 😩

2 infact in the last 2 months, happened within a week of each other

[civic tusk]

17, 23

[waxen pollen]

yep

Wasn't an outage, just a micro loss and with how sensitive SGS is

I can wiggle my ethernet cable to make sure it's seated correctly and it would cause SGS to drop

[civic tusk]

when was the last time SGS even got an update that wasn't just bug fixes

[waxen pollen]

Can't overly complain due to how often it used to go down a day over 2/3 months ago. Found to be a local area issue that took Sky months to track and fix 🙄

[gleaming shell]

2 days strong and counting, both vms have reliability index of 10 (max)

[gleaming shell]

yeah definitely

[waxen pollen]

SGS hasn't had an update at all in years now.

[gleaming shell]

i believe sgs has only gone through 2 revisions

or 3 revisions i forgot

one was back when the workload name was still under "prime zeus beta" or something. very early days

[civic tusk]

this is genuinely ridiculous

[waxen pollen]

I don't think SGS has gotten any updates since i've been using Salad for BW

[gleaming shell]

current sgs version is 0.1.8, last was 0.1.6 or something (when it was still under testing)

[civic tusk]

they put SGS on the backburner and instead put all the work on 'hey guys you know we should add 1 new type of job for CPUs that will earn people 0.00000006 cents'

https://tenor.com/view/henry-danger-computer-gif-gif-7628543750344360850

[waxen pollen]

Hmmm, wonder if theres a way of finding out when your first message in a discord was

[gleaming shell]

this was my oldest here

[civic tusk]

gotta press on the biggest number

[waxen pollen]

😄

Ok maybe SGS has got an update since i've been using Salad

[civic tusk]

not a bad question lmao

[gleaming shell]

wow people used to downvote this

[waxen pollen]

Some GPU chefs have many many GPUs and make $100s a day

||I withdraw over $1000 each and every month||

[waxen pollen]

Ohh i miss the every 15min updates

[gleaming shell]

it would be great if salad could combine both elements of the new earnings page and the old page
like bringing the 15 minutes back and more useful 7 day graph but also having per machine graphs

and having a graph that auto updates without having to refresh the page

[waxen pollen]

We need more statistics

[civic tusk]

more correct statistics*

[waxen pollen]

that too

[gleaming shell]

so close

also gpu mining for heat. gets cold down here in the basement for some reason

[waxen pollen]

Just 4 of my devices 😛

[gleaming shell]

i really thought earnapp was going to be the one leading my balances until their business practices came into place, and now salad is ironically giving me record earnings ive never reached before with minimum power usage (except for mining for heat that i started myself)

[waxen pollen]

IKR, they showed their true colours years ago to me though

[gleaming shell]

i got myself access to residential ips through mysterium 💀

too bad i cant run earnapp or honeygain on it (which is understandable this time)

no clue if im allowed to do so with salad with a vpn in a different country, they dont really explicitly say if you can use residential ips from technically a "vpn" app

[gleaming shell]

CPU container died, didn't reach 3.000 😔

Lasted a good 24h tho

[serene falcon]

Bro my cpu container downlaods perfectly and then goes on loop of finding job and running job and it dies after few minutes

I checked logs multiple install container and delete container

[civic tusk]

Got a gpu job and it never paid out

guess my 3060 just watched bc it didn’t even seem to do anything despite saying ‘running job’

baboon level job

[gleaming shell]

average cpu container experience

[gleaming shell]

and it gave me a crappy unprofitable 10 cent cpu container in return

[gleaming shell]

it reallocated for so-called reason: "bad node"

or atleast, i think. why are logs so hard to read

[serene falcon]

Which version salad u use

I am on 1.9.11 should I go back to 1.9.5 I earn from bandwidth too

[gleaming shell]

im on 1.9.10 but im sure salad will eventually start nagging me with a popup window every x minutes to update

god why do apps do this

popup window telling you to update with no option to opt out of it or a "remind me never"

why did salad even think about coming up with a popup window to update back then, during that time they sent a notification EVERY HOUR nagging you to update, flooding your notification center until you update. why did they even come up with this idea of an intrusive pop-up window 😭

[serene falcon]

I was on 1.9.5 earlier

I think I am gonna switch back to 1.9.5

[waxen pollen]

Theres better sites that you can get cleaner IPs from. Myst is terrible and likely costs you more

[waxen pollen]

I'm still on 1.9.5, haven't moved off it since i installed it. BW doesn't really require updating, as it's not had an update in years.

Only time you need to it is when they sunset a version or actually do something with SGS << Which is never.

[serene falcon]

Nowadays bandwidth demand is spiking dropping multiple times. am i the one facing issue alone or?

[waxen pollen]

what do you mean by it spikes then drops?

[serene falcon]

In internet graph

[waxen pollen]

Do you mean it spikes at certain times of the day? before dropping back to normal levels?

[serene falcon]

Task manager

[waxen pollen]

ohh

a screenshot would help

[serene falcon]

K wait

this is the latest screenshot

[waxen pollen]

Ohh yeah thats normal for the most part. Just demand

[serene falcon]

Ohk

Thanks I thought I messed up something

[waxen pollen]

Don't thing so.

[serene falcon]

Recently I turned off interrupt moderation

Advanced eee, auto disable gigabit, green ethernet, and power saving mode all turned off

I asked gpt

[waxen pollen]

Same as mine tbf

Gets displayed differently ig

[serene falcon]

Which version you using

[waxen pollen]

A cracked version. But you can use the old free version

[serene falcon]

Ok thanks

[serene falcon]

.

I disabled all these option

[waxen pollen]

Power saving mode shouldn't affect anything. Infact, you really should have it as power saver, as BW doesn't used or need that much.

no idea what green ethernet even is tbh with you

and don't know what disable gigabit would even do for you. Surely you'd want gigabit-enabled

[serene falcon]

Ok i think I will just switch back to default setting than I thought these tweaks may help

[waxen pollen]

Should always take what AI says with a grain of salt.

Granted, it is far better at PC stuff than other things but should still maybe check there source material too

[upbeat shuttle]

or maybe a handful of salt

[waxen pollen]

well yeah that

[serene falcon]

Surely

By the way I am willing to install salad on pc in Sydney australia. How the demand there any idea

[waxen pollen]

Id honestly just leave it at stock

does Australia even get BW

[serene falcon]

I don't know

[waxen pollen]

Hmmm, had some out-of-the-ordinary traffic yesterday. The first spike is my normal daily spike.

Got another spike around 12 and 3am

[serene falcon]

Mines spike mostly in evening

[waxen pollen]

In fact, that whole day was abnormal

yeah mine spikes between 7 and 9pm normally

[serene falcon]

Demand low nowadaya I guess

[waxen pollen]

I had a micro oppsie 5-6 days ago that reset my progress

||was doing over $87 a day before that||

shhh, don't tell everyone 😄

[serene falcon]

Crazy max I have earned is like 2.5 dollar a day

[waxen pollen]

I was able to scale

[serene falcon]

Ok no one can see this chat

😁

[waxen pollen]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-wipe-gif-16574265568803907770

[waxen pollen]

Now they surely can't

[serene falcon]

M hm

[waxen pollen]

I mean, theres others making $100s a day so

granted with containers

[serene falcon]

Yeah

I only earn from bandwidth nowadays

[waxen pollen]

UK traffic just be that good 😄

[serene falcon]

Container not working out for me

Looping finding job running job

[waxen pollen]

same. Containers are too up and down and BW makes more for using 128GBs of ram than a single 4090 was

[serene falcon]

Yeah

That's why I am thinking to setup multiple pc across eu and canada

[waxen pollen]

Considering i gave my 4090 128GBs of RAM and it would use at most 65Gbs and i was doing basically nothing else with the remainder. Just made more sense to run VMs for BW

[gleaming shell]

right
Im under someone else's account tho so it's free for me lol

just don't know if I'll be able to use it on salad

id assume it's a "no" but salad isn't explicit about it in their rules

wow this mobile data sucks here

Takes like 10 seconds to send a message, and I'm at ground level, not even in the basement

[waxen pollen]

hmmm fair. I guess it's different for the US than it is for UK traffic. More guaranteed earnings this side of the pond.

[gleaming shell]

I'm sure a very large chunk (i think I can even have some confidence in saying "a majority") of users here are probably earning nothing from bandwidth here

with having a 2 barrier challenge of not only needing a desirable IP but also getting a 2/13 chance good gateway

of course though, idk the distribution

[waxen pollen]

Would be nice to have statistics on BW earn rates from each region

[gleaming shell]

and that's probably "private info"

[waxen pollen]

I thought they were gonna release that info so HardWare could do something similar as containers.

I'd love to know when demand is higher and tanking. It's useful info for us

Gives us reasonings for higher or lower traffic

[gleaming shell]

an SGS gateway demand monitor (if possible) or really anything related to bandwidth sharing metrics would definitely be great here in the us

[waxen pollen]

Like oh it's because of this, instead of it being a guessing game all the dang long time

[gleaming shell]

wow this mobile data sucks

I think it nuked 2 messages 💀

[waxen pollen]

thats annoying

[gleaming shell]

can easily check the gateway they're running, compare it to a demand monitor then kill it off if it's a dead gateway (nothing to interrupt or lose anyways if there's no traffic to begin with)

they should advertise SGS as well, considering salads the only app here left in the us that has some potential

but considering their profitability and "love for containers over sgs" (?) I doubt that'll happen soon

idk if salads still losing money. From what I've heard they weren't profitable

[waxen pollen]

They are basically just resting on their laurels when it comes to SGS and that's just a failure waiting to happen.

They should be out finding new streaming services to use the service

[gleaming shell]

Imagine they release a data scraping part of bandwidth sharing

[waxen pollen]

It's also funny how our rates haven't increased. Even though the cost of doing this for the industry must have by now. With the price of hardware skyrocketing

[gleaming shell]

well considering these new testing workloads aren't streaming related it's a sign salad does allow use cases outside of the typical steaming

[gleaming shell]

actually that could bring us demand up, but of course the risks as always

[waxen pollen]

Don't see why they couldn't be doing both. Though the data scraping industry is a bit packed

I just don't want salad to become scummy

[gleaming shell]

definitely

[waxen pollen]

Just because they are not profitable, or not making as much as they want to.

[gleaming shell]

Pay per GB in the us hasn't changed in years if I'm right

[waxen pollen]

It's only ever gone in one direction

[gleaming shell]

It did decrease significantly a very long while back but it's been at around 0.003 maybe a bit more ever since

for the us

[waxen pollen]

even though costs haven't fallen the same rate for hardware and especially in recent times

Moore's law has basically ended

[misty furnace]

quantum tunneling my beloved

computers are already non-deterministic to some extent due to electromigration and small bit flips that are often undedectable because they happen in the actual gates

[waxen pollen]

Yeah but for personal computers though

Though thinking about it. I did see something a few weeks back about something that actually could replace what we are doing right now (Not Quantum), but I don't know how that would work again for personal computers either.

Or maybe Quantum, it just wasn't called that, so I'm not 100% sure

[tardy swan]

First time and it’s 20+ damn

Congrats

[tidal bough]

correction: they get five
im gonna move to toronto just for bw sharing /s

[gleaming shell]

how are yalls isps just handing out ips like that 😭 id be extremely happy to even have ipv6 support here or even a single non-cgnat ip

but no

they dont want to expand to ipv6 and they charge money for a non-ddos-protected static ip that i have no clue if theyll remove the dynamic one upon purchase so im still ultimately left with 1 ip

i do have access to a myst vpn under someones account so i can get residential ips for free, but who knows if these apps will nuke me even though theyre residential ips

[tidal bough]

internet is cheap also, its $70 cad (51 usd) for 3gbps

[gleaming shell]

these mfs here overcharge for internet

it sucks

WHO is paying 100+ a month for a crappy cable connection that gives only 50mbps upload out of 1000 download, and then slap a data cap on it that throttles bandwidth by 50%

[tidal bough]

cgnat ips are inherently ddos protected because attackers will only be hitting your ISPs gateway not your router

[gleaming shell]

and who is paying 135 dollars a month for 500mbps fiber

[tidal bough]

people that search "how to get internet in [insert city]" on google

and [shitty isp] is the first result

[gleaming shell]

it sucks how its still such a popular isp here

and how many people still use that crap

[waxen pollen]

US broadband does.....

[gleaming shell]

I used to be on that said isp before fiber rolled out to my home and i dipped out asap

[tidal bough]

the cable isp in my area used to advertise their cable internet as "fibre+" but they got sued by a competing isp with actual fiber

[waxen pollen]

I pay £72 or $97 a month for 5gig up and down with no limits

[gleaming shell]

was 90 dollars per month for a 100mbps cable connection (40mbps upload for ~1 second then down to 16mbps upload), with a data cap of 1.5tb and for each 50gb past the limit, its an extra +$10 on the bill.

and of course for it being cable, the internet has "peak/busy times"

[waxen pollen]

that sucks

[gleaming shell]

internet here still sucks to this day

[waxen pollen]

Well thats a corrupt country for you. Defo not the land of the free and all that

Not to get political or anything 😅

[tidal bough]

wait until you hear about australia internet

[waxen pollen]

Yeah, heard a few not-so-great things about that too. Guess it's to do with the vast distance, maybe. Least compared to the UK and all

Though you'd tend to have more customers, thus higher profits that compensate for it

[gleaming shell]

not sure if running sgs on a vpn would break tos #19, even if the ip is residential

its kinda worded a bit gray-zone

[waxen pollen]

Message EK about this

[gleaming shell]

salad doesnt really take enough measures to prevent vpns from getting sgs tbh if they dont want it
other apps plaster a "connection blocked" on your screen, and a particular stupid app with stupid business straight up autobans you

[waxen pollen]

And let us know what they say ofc

[gleaming shell]

i was informed the testing gateways work even though a vps

just not sure about other countries

but yeah probably best to just ask ek lol

[waxen pollen]

Yeah but have they said it's ok or not? Id guess it would really depend on the ping of said VPN.

[gleaming shell]

not sure :( was just told it was from a staff

[waxen pollen]

I've asked EK for you. I'll let you know what they say

[civic tusk]

avoid, bypass, remove, deactivate, impair, descramble or otherwise circumvent any technological measure implemented by Company or any of Company’s providers or any other third party (including another user) to protect the Site;

the way i see it, it only means that you are not allowed to screw around with the programming of salad or bypass a restriction placed by salad. so basically i guess only way you might be breaking ToS with a VPN is if you are using a VPN in a non-SGS country to gain SGS services. however if you have SGS in your country you should be fine to use a VPN since you are able to access SGS from your location should you wish

i'm not a lawyer though so i'm probably wrong

[upbeat shuttle]

i think there used to be a part in the TOS about essentially not being allowed to lie/misreport/idk about your 'available resources' or something vaguely along the lines

i'd have to read through old revisions of the TOS to find exactly what it was - which i won't do because i cba

but yeah that one would be nice to still have

[gleaming shell]

yeah its weird because salad never really developed much active enforcement for sgs. sgs is kinda just "unleashed" and you can get sgs client even on specific school internet (not that i do it), and on some vpn ips aswell (once again, not that i do it).
(and also as mentioned salad wants distinct ips, even listed on the sgs overview, yet users can still get up to x amount of gateways per ip)

other apps would just immediately plaster a "network overused / only one device per ip / no earnings from device y because device x already is using this ip" or something like "VPN / Datacenter ip detected"

even if it isnt against tos im sure the customers wouldnt be happy and it would feel like a "legal gray area" kinda thing

[winter latch]

idk why but sgs isn't using my internet much

with my wifi which has limited internet, the earnings were pretty good

but with this faster 5g data it barely uses 5mbps

[civic nova]

Because mobile internet is not that stable. Wifi with LAN is always better. IP Quality of Wifi is generally way higher than mobile data in India.

I have 200 Mbps Airtel Fibre which works way better than my 5g which is also Airtel and has 900 Mbps speed. I have cell tower just 80-100m away and whole day gets consistent 800-900 Mbps download and 600-700 Mbps upload. Still my 200 Mbps download and upload works way better.

Also, one more information, Except Jio Postpaid's 649 pack and VI Postpaid's 1201 pack, not a single recharge in India gives unlimited mobile internet. Every other internet pack has a monthly cap of 300 GB which is called FUP limit. And most broadbands in India has FUP of 3333 GB which is 10 times more than mobile internet.

[winter latch]

i've hit fup limit on wifi

thats why i switched to jio 5g

so far i haven't seen any limits

used around 500+gb already

airtel 5g gives 300gb a month

im just going to use wifi until i reach 3000gb usage and then i'll switch to mobile data until the cycle resets

hope i can get more than $10 a month

[civic nova]

Which recharge you are on right now?

[winter latch]

i had probably 799 pack which gives 1.5 or 2gb/day

bought addon for 151

[civic nova]

Aaaaah, This Add-on is the reason you haven't struck your FUP limit till now.

[winter latch]

huh

ppl said its actually unlimited but idk

[civic nova]

I think JIO rarely forces FUP limit as it is a standalone network. So, yeah, it's unlimited, but then factor of stability and quality comes in on mobile internet 🥲

[winter latch]

at least its faster than my 40mbps wifi

💀

i can finally download games faster which used to take 4-5 hours earlier

[civic nova]

Yeah, if Jio 5 works well in your area, it's very good for downloading stuff

[winter latch]

crowded area, i get 100-200mbps average

300mbps at night

i noticed less ping in games too somehow

[gleaming shell]

wow yall get actual speeds?

mine gets so bad it cant even ping at times

t mobile

[winter latch]

in war thunder my ping was usually 300-500ms always

with 5g its 190-220

and i guess mobiles also makes a difference

my neighbor with iphone gets 700-900mbps

perhaps its airtel

[gleaming shell]

its more of where i live that doesnt get enough love for 5g
closest thing is a 5g non standalone that sucks
other times when im at a good place i can get up to 1gbps down 100mbps up

[civic nova]

I get 900 Mbps Download and 700 Mbps Upload normally, at peak time, it drops to about 800 download and 600 upload. Ping in games is also like 60-70

[gleaming shell]

700mbps through mobile data?

[civic nova]

Yes, 700 mbps upload through mobile data

[gleaming shell]

w

most ive ever gotten was 98mbps

once from being in a populated area in new york, and another being downtown in my city

but down here in the basement at my house, upload is in the kilobits per seconds, sometimes basically just cuts off

its terrible

[civic nova]

Yeah, crowd affects it. But at the most crowded also, it never dropped below 700 Mbps download and 400 mbps upload ever.

[gleaming shell]

unfortunately i doubt theyll put any 5g standalone towers here

[winter latch]

5g has hard time penetrating walls

[gleaming shell]

its so bad theres "dead zones" at my school (that i live in walking distance from) that just straight up have zero mobile data at all

the entire science hallway and classrooms and chunk of the cafeteria along with a large chunk of the math hallway and classrooms are just dead

[winter latch]

why does school/colleges have bad network

[gleaming shell]

no screw that. almost the entire ground floor has basically no signal

[winter latch]

mine also doesnt get any signal inside the building

[gleaming shell]

my school has 1gbps internet but i perfer mobile data

[winter latch]

cant even call

[gleaming shell]

since my mobile data can do direct ip access to my home devices

[winter latch]

ye my college got a whopping 10mbps wifi

[gleaming shell]

it sucks because literally a several minute drive away from me theres 5g ultra capacity that can do 1gbps down 100mbps up (a tiny bit less)

and here I am at home with a 5g nonstandalone, sometimes cannot ping mobile data

[winter latch]

i barely get 20mbps upload

[gleaming shell]

unfortunate

[gleaming shell]

its bipolar too, constatnly switching between 4g and 5g and 5g uc

best case scenario i get 250mbps download here

but upload continues to stay terrible and download speed is still very unstable

ohh right i forgot to mention, the wifi down here in the basement sucks too. 5ghz gives like 120ish mbps max and sometimes it doesnt even negotiate it, so it uses the 2.4ghz with 5-11mbps

so in download speeds, my mobile data does better given its not as bad

[civic nova]

Bacause there is 1 or 2 cell towers at max and 1000's of students using that connection... cell towers reaches it's limits

[sturdy fulcrum]

[robust creek]

for some reasons salad traffic is so much dead now

[serene falcon]

This morning the traffic was very good for me

And does running sgs in vm affects earning or the same as pc

[tardy swan]

I don’t think your internet is fast enough

[sturdy fulcrum]

you are right...

[civic nova]

Which region/country you are from??

[robust creek]

Italy

[stable niche]

Sgs traffic fell off a cliff last couple days. Anyone else in Canada experiencing this ?

[civic tusk]

D4 is actually doing stuff, 2 cents an hour

guess salad likes my weaker pc's ip better than my desktop's ip (they're on the same network just different address with the router)

[civic tusk]

scratch that it died

[sturdy fulcrum]

why flex

[gleaming shell]

💀 it won't even take a speestest

[sturdy fulcrum]

ahahfh

you can have a bit of my speed

[gleaming shell]

just some minutes drive away from me i can get up to 1gbps down and 100mbps up
but where imm located right now its so bad i cant even ping without setting a custom ping threshold (of a very long time)

[sturdy fulcrum]

thats so sad... 🥲

[gleaming shell]

unfortunately my house wasnt a 5g coverage blessed one

[sturdy fulcrum]

feel you, i had a 10mb down and 2 up before this

[gleaming shell]

the wifi sucks down here too because it would often negotiate 2.4ghz 💀

but more stable

[sturdy fulcrum]

https://klipy.com/gifs/skeleton-118

[gleaming shell]

amazing

love some 16kbps

man 950mbps is just some 10 minute drive away from me 😭

[sturdy fulcrum]

sell house just for internet!!!

[gleaming shell]

@civic fern ok so i just realized scamgain silently removed the data usage monitor next to the "gathering earnings"

it should say how much gathering earned but also how much data was used

they removed that with zero announcements along with the silent transition to the abysmal $0.05 per gb

amazing transparency right here

im surprised how there isnt any outrage in the honeygain server

this was before earnings rates were halved (quartered relative to few years ago)

you can see the GB used on gathering, and they removed it with zero announcement

[misty furnace]

why does the color look so weird

what happened to your color settings

[gleaming shell]

screen snip hdr color corrector is weird

[misty furnace]

fr

[civic fern]

Oh my god

[civic nova]

Yesterday vs Today Earnings in bandwidth sharing... It's dead today, no traffic

[winter latch]

sad

[winter latch]

is this only bandwidth

i want more

[civic nova]

Yes

[winter latch]

[gleaming shell]

bandwidth there really did fall off? 💀

y'all had terabyte usage days some years ago

[winter latch]

no ?

its just on this network for me

[gleaming shell]

oh

[winter latch]

its way better than earlier

earlier it used to take barely 1.5tb in a month

now it drains my 3tb in 10 days

but the earnings are significantly reduced

it gives only $6 for those 3tb

and before that it was 9-10 bucks for those 1.5tb

[gleaming shell]

us bandwidth has been not the greatest for the past 9 months now 💀

It hasn't really changed

Time to wait until April to see if the new customer will disappoint or not

[gleaming shell]

Salad has reduced the pay here in the us too. But it hasn't changed at least significantly in a very long time

I'm a bit more lenient about it tho since salad is only based on content delivery (mostly)

But Honeygain here using bandwidth for data scraping obscuring the data usage then silently lowering the payout rate. hell no

Their payout rate is so abysmal at 0.05 per gb

Salads bandwidth sharing from what I last know is 0.003ish per gb

[tardy swan]

fixed

[gleaming shell]

have an urge to forward this to honeygain server but im sure i will get censored/banned

because of course, why am i allowed to speak out about crappy scummy profit milking decisions companies make

cant let the users know theyre silently getting screwed over

[civic tusk]

sgs honestly doesn’t make sense to me anymore
it genuinely just plays russian roulette with my pcs and seems to drop the SGS workload just a few minutes after i notice a ‘good’ amount of return (2 cents per hour)

and then it chooses the slower pc for SGS instead of the genuine workstation with a better wifi card and better everything

[gleaming shell]

yeah sgs is a massive gamble