Bandwidth Sharing FAQs + Troubleshooting

[upbeat shuttle]

it does seem to make it more 'fair'

[waxen pollen]

EK confirmed it's a bug. Offically there is no limit. They said it makes no sense for them to limit the amount that can connect.

[upbeat shuttle]

welp I'll let them figure it all out :)

on a separate sgs issue, i hate when one device steals a gateway from another device

[waxen pollen]

yeah same here, i also hate it when we get connected to dead gateways for no valid reason. Makes us nothing and makes Salad nothing either

[upbeat shuttle]

it's not too bad when you've got enough machines to run all available gateways, at least

[waxen pollen]

Don't get why theres no clause saying if a provider doesn't regularly send traffic down a gateway, it gets shut down till they email you requesting the gateway again.

[waxen pollen]

Its so inefficient though.

[upbeat shuttle]

they pay the static pay rate to keep it open

[waxen pollen]

Having 4-5 devices just to make sure that 1-2 are always connected the the gateways that actually get traffic means i use up more ram

[upbeat shuttle]

10c a day or whatever it is

[waxen pollen]

yet do no send traffic down them.

[upbeat shuttle]

how much RAM do you allocate to each vm?

[waxen pollen]

seems to be 7cents

[waxen pollen]

thats a trade secret

[upbeat shuttle]

ah gotcha

[waxen pollen]

but it's less than the official 4gigs 😄

[upbeat shuttle]

I'm currently at 3gb but I realised they use noticeably less than that, so I could lower it to like 2-2.5gb, maybe 1.5gb if i bothered to debloat windows

[waxen pollen]

i run a 2GB ISO, saw a 1Gig the other day, but it failed right to recovery as soon as i started the VM up 🥺

so no dice

[upbeat shuttle]

i just use the latest windows 10 iot ltsc iso

[waxen pollen]

I may give an win10 ISO a go. Win11 is soooo bloaty

not that win10 isn't mind you

[upbeat shuttle]

security updates until 203-something, plenty long beyond when salad will die

[waxen pollen]

wasn't that if you paid for the extended service though?

[upbeat shuttle]

nah iot ltsc just has it lol

[waxen pollen]

fair

[upbeat shuttle]

it's actually really scummy of Microsoft to charge its users for extended security updates, or to blackmail them with forced onedrive to get them for free

they're literally already doing the extended security updates for free for their iot/ltsc builds

I'm still procrastinating switching off my unsupported windows 10 home on my main pc

I've got 3 options - w10 iot ltsc 21h2, w11 iot ltsc 24h2, or some flavour of Linux

[waxen pollen]

it all depends if the ISO will run on proxmox after being converted toa clone. As id have to use win command that is sometimes removed from modified ISOs that and other things that can discount a ISO

[waxen pollen]

Ohh i 100% agree

[waxen pollen]

I really hope steam OS comes out (And is a full replacement for windows, IE runs windows programs) within a year or two. Id move right away.

I really hope the linux Salad app comes out this year too. Though i'll hate trying to figure out linux again

I've so had enough of windows though

[upbeat shuttle]

I'm not sure if steam os will be the one for me, but I'm really glad that their contributions benefit all distros, and not just steamos

[waxen pollen]

they just get worse and worse

[upbeat shuttle]

yeah

[waxen pollen]

If it's easy and works simlar to windows then thats all i want. I've used windows because it's(Mostly) easy for me to figure out and remember what i need to do. Linux just confuses me with it's crapp documentations and broken (Apprent) fixes for things. My ADHD brain really doesn't help with linux.

always forget the commends i need 😅

[gleaming shell]

hate windows but forced to use it because school 🔥

lockdown browser big brother woo

[waxen pollen]

I hate windows and am forced to use it because it's somewhat easy to find fixes to issues. It's just become a dumpster fire over the last 10 years, more so in recent years though

and it's easy to install things. Just wish linux was like windows. but without the bloat and scumbag practices

[upbeat shuttle]

i wish i wasn't really used to windows

[waxen pollen]

and feck off with the AI will they.

[misty furnace]

I was used to windows but it wasn't that difficult to switch

[upbeat shuttle]

I'm probably gonna end up going for w11 iot ltsc 24h2 but i really can't see myself sticking with windows for any later versions, with how enshittified it's gotten

[upbeat shuttle]

i really like file explorer

or rather just the layout of it

search can die

also how drives work too

[misty furnace]

you mean that app with the copilot button?

[upbeat shuttle]

no way did they really

[misty furnace]

yes

[frigid reef]

COPILOT??? MY FAV

[waxen pollen]

got to love the higher CPU usage just to support their slow AF file explorer

[frigid reef]

i use it never

[gleaming shell]

does clankdows still force bitlocker

i created some vms but they didnt automatically enable bitlocker

despite not using a custom install

[misty furnace]

they literally preload it in the background and it's still slower

[waxen pollen]

yeah, i run a debloater just to get rid of all Microsoft's AI BS. Well not just for that, but also to shut down their BS telemetry tracking stuff too

[waxen pollen]

right, how is that a fix

[misty furnace]

just replace the explorer.exe with one from win10 fr

[waxen pollen]

Theres no saving it tbh

[upbeat shuttle]

ahhh damn i forgot windows 11 has its own explorer

screw it i might go for w10 iot ltsc 21h2

[waxen pollen]

the issue is that they are a mega corp which needs breaking up

[upbeat shuttle]

any app that doesn't work with it doesn't deserve to work anyways

November 2021 wasn't even that long ago anyways

[misty furnace]

any app that runs on electron or react does not deserve to exist (including y'know...)

[upbeat shuttle]

i don't run Salad on my main pc anymore

[misty furnace]

me neither (because I don't want to boot a windows vm and sacrifice my gpu rights to it)

[waxen pollen]

same here. I spent £1500 to move it all on it's own dedicated AM5 PC 😄

[gleaming shell]

i only run salad on my hp laptop now 💀 (yes, that thing is still alive and still in one piece

[upbeat shuttle]

hinge problems :(

I'm currently designing and 3D printing a custom case to put a laptop motherboard in that i salvaged from a hp laptop with - you guessed it - a broken hinge

[waxen pollen]

can't just replace the hing?

[upbeat shuttle]

there's also other problems with it :(

[waxen pollen]

Only ever had 1 HP laptop, was actually my first personal device ever. Then brought a PC and never brought a laptop since.

[upbeat shuttle]

the display cable is half functional and there's this very weird half liquid gross material inhabiting the laptop

luckily the motherboard is clean though

it's very weird

[waxen pollen]

that is a weird

[misty furnace]

I did that as well... printed a mount for it to connect to the back of a monitor and added a 2-outlet power strip for it and the monitor

[upbeat shuttle]

like rust but liquid-ish?

[misty furnace]

slime mold

[upbeat shuttle]

probably discovered a new element

[upbeat shuttle]

that's so cool

I'm going for a lenovo/dell tiny/mini pc kinda look

roughly 21x19x4cm i think

i remember because it barely fits on my printer bed so i don't have to bother connecting two halves of a case together like last time

[misty furnace]

what's that in cheeseburgers per diabetic?

[upbeat shuttle]

the size of a single mcburger

[waxen pollen]

I purchased 2 GMKtec G2 Mini PCs which were fairly decent minis

that was before i went VMs

[misty furnace]

we should #pc-hardware

[upbeat shuttle]

i should actually sleep I'm running on fumes

[misty furnace]

weak

[upbeat shuttle]

for like the past hour

[upbeat shuttle]

i like mini pcs, but didn't really end up buying one (yet)

my router is technically a mini pc i guess

intel n100 but idk if it counts because it's got like 5 2.5gb ports and its entire case is a metal heatsink

i like the design of the much smaller ones that also have an N100 or similar cpu

it's like wow it has a surprising amount of power in such tiny volume

[waxen pollen]

Not bad tbh and they do a N150 version too.

[waxen pollen]

ohh yeah. it's kinda crazy how powerful they are

[waxen pollen]

nice

[upbeat shuttle]

i still remember playing modded minecraft on it and thinking wow this could just replace my main pc and I'd be alright

oh right sleep bye y'all

[gleaming shell]

router got the same cpu as my school chromebook 💀

idk if it performs the same tho, its extremely underpowered on the chromebook. the cpu can theoretically boost to 3.4ghz but it seems to be oem set to like 2.9ghz then transitions to pl1 then starts running at like 1.6-1.8ghz long term

even though temperatures are super low

gotta account for the even more lost performance from big brother school surveilance software too

[ornate wharf]

Should i update salad to 1.9.9 does it will effect my BW earings or any bugs?

[safe loom]

if you're already running a workload you can wait until you decide you want to update, but if you run container workloads with SGS it is recommended to update

[ornate wharf]

I want to run only sgs

For sgs 1.9.5 os good or should i get the latest 1.9.9

[misty furnace]

it doesn't really matter, bandwidth sharing hasn't really changed in years

I think the executable was compiled in 2022

[ornate wharf]

Im little confused like ho sgs work.. does i have to download something or just install salad and enable BW and sgs will Start working

[upbeat shuttle]

run Salad, have bandwidth sharing enabled, it'll run sgs automatically when a job is available to you :)

[upbeat shuttle]

1.6.x was working very recently for me

[robust creek]

When i get the chance i update so the anoying popup stops coming out for a while

[waxen pollen]

I'll wait till the next (Mostly) stable build 😅

and only when my internet goes out. Not losing out on all that $

BW can take a while to ramp back up again

[robust creek]

I think it depends because yesterday my power went away for 30 minutea and came back, after a couple of hours both sgs were running again and producing normal amount of traffic

[safe loom]

yeah bandwidth is largely untouched for most recent updates unless specified

[waxen pollen]

Yeah IK it's not every time. But happens enough to warrent waiting till all my devices go out for what ever reason. I quiet like the $ i'm getting a day rn

[safe loom]

a majority of updates will only affect crucial functionality and compute workloads

[robust creek]

It wasnt worth running gpu containers before, now is even less worth XD no way i turn the option on

[waxen pollen]

not if your region has high BW traffic it for sure isn't.😅

[robust creek]

My country had shit bw traffic back then

But 2$ a day for my 3070ti running full power 24/7 producing a lot of noise and heat constantly in my bedroom.. no thx

Even if i wanted to do it i can't do it anymore anyways, because i remember you need to give a dedicated card, or it will give an error

🤔

[waxen pollen]

Ohh i know your pain, just me. But mine was a 4090 😅

granted made more, but still. The amount of heat it dumps out. It's made the UKs heatwaves of recent years less bearable

[robust creek]

Here in summer is 30/35 C°!

[waxen pollen]

ohh yeah, the last 3 years the UKs been having heatwaves of that magnitude (Which is super not the norm for the UK) add the heat dumped in my room from the 4090 and OMG 🥵

[robust creek]

In winter, using salad for heating your whole house would make it more worth 👀 🔥

If you can handle the noise..

[waxen pollen]

Its also been one of the other reasons moving to just BW jobs has been far more pleasant. Less heat, less noise.

With the amount of VMs i'm running, my CPU dumps out 55c heat anyways. But it's still far less than what my 4090 was. Plus i like my room somewhat below 20c. I run hot naturally

[upbeat shuttle]

below 20c?!

[robust creek]

Mine is always 21/23

[robust creek]

Winter with heater

On summer.. 28/30 😅

Becomes 25 with i have the cooler turned on

[waxen pollen]

my rooms been around 18c in the mornings when i get up. When i go to sleep, my rooms hovers just over 20c. Though thats outside temp dependant. I always keep my window open. It's 20c on the dot rn

[upbeat shuttle]

mine stays around 24c, dipping overnight to like 21c at the lowest

[waxen pollen]

20c is mostly my sweet spot. Humidity depending though. The heat hits different with the humidity in the UK 😅

[ornate wharf]

What is vms..is it use for bw releted

[waxen pollen]

It stands for a virtual machine.

[ornate wharf]

It's been 2 day i didn't get any bw job or anything... it's saying finding job bw is enabled any suggestions

[waxen pollen]

Whats your region?

[ornate wharf]

India

[waxen pollen]

Whats your up/down?

[ornate wharf]

100 up down

Im using 1.9.5 version of salad

[waxen pollen]

hmm, should be fine then. Have you restarted the device recently?

[ornate wharf]

Ya

I did a restart

[waxen pollen]

Has it been assigned a machine ID in the bottom of the settings page?

[ornate wharf]

Yes

[waxen pollen]

hmmm, best see what other chefs from India says TBH with you. IK demand is higher there.

You can also contact #official-support to see if they can see anything from there end.

Make sure you add the device logs (C:\ProgramData\Salad\Logs) with the machine ID.

[visual grail]

I resetted my desktop.

Lost sgs.

It's not coming back.

5 days.

150 mbps ups and downs.

All good before it.

HELP 😭

[gleaming shell]

happened to me once

lasted several months without it 💀

[robust creek]

Country?

[fossil onyx]

what can i do if i have a bad gateway ? It changed and before all went well on the other gateway

[upbeat shuttle]

turn bandwidth sharing off then back on

[fossil onyx]

How to perform this.?

[upbeat shuttle]

Performance tab > Configure hardware > Select workload types manually > Untick video streaming > Wait 5 seconds > Tick video streaming

[fossil onyx]

Thanks 🙏

And i should see a new gateway folder if different gateway ?

[gleaming shell]

yes

also be aware sometimes you might still get the same dead gateway

[fossil onyx]

I will retry then

[waxen pollen]

Sometimes LOL

[robust creek]

if the gateway is dead why it still is active and you can get it? 😅

and why not salad doesn't give priority to the others

[waxen pollen]

Go ask EK that very question

[robust creek]

ek?

[waxen pollen]

They are part of the SGS team

[robust creek]

is not a problem i have since in my country there are only 2 gateways and both has traffic

[waxen pollen]

lucky

[potent jasper]

What happened to Canada SGS? I had so many before, and now is zero for more then a week

[waxen pollen]

demand can go away

is your region still supported? Is the option to disable bw still in the settings tab?

[potent jasper]

There was never option to disable BW and yes Canada is supported. All SGS suddenly disappered a week ago

I am using BW for years now

But not anymore:)

[waxen pollen]

Thats how, thats also how you can tell if your region supports BW

Apparently it disappears when it's not supported

[potent jasper]

It is there, but by default i am using th first option. "Let Salad select the best workload"

[waxen pollen]

ok then it's not a being supported issue.

Have you restarted the device?

[potent jasper]

I did many times, and reinstalled and reinstall OS as well

[waxen pollen]

you should never really need to reinstall the OS

[potent jasper]

that is only me ot anyone in Canada?

if reinstalling os, it will get a new machine ID

[waxen pollen]

which version was you on?

[potent jasper]

tryed different versions

1.9.5 and1.9.9

[waxen pollen]

no, salad using your windows ID (Least unless you use the Obliterator i believe. though not 100% sure about that)

[waxen pollen]

hmmm 1.9.5 had no issues with BW

Id suggest reporting it to ⁠official-support with the device logs (C:\ProgramData\Salad\Logs) with the machine ID.

[potent jasper]

Thank you

If I use VPN it does connect to other countries SGS

[waxen pollen]

Ping would be an issue

[gleaming shell]

lucky

theres 16 gateways here, only 2 of them (atleast are known) to have traffic, and 2 of them that have no traffic have static pay (but only select users)

[robust creek]

i remember there was another gateway but had 0 traffic but then it completely gone away

last seen 2023

[gleaming shell]

a dead gateway here also has recently died

but infortunately the abundance containues to persist

[robust creek]

it was still useful when static pay was high and traffic here was dead anyways in all gateways

i rememeber... 1,2$ a day with 0gb shared

[gleaming shell]

issue is there is no static pay for any us gateways

except for the two being tested but thats temprary

[robust creek]

😅

[gleaming shell]

As much as I hate the dead gateways, I want to give an especially "screw you" to whatever customer that is under the 4 galbraith gateways 💀

mf signed up for 4 sgs gateways just to do nothing with them

[robust creek]

arent clients actually spending moneyto keep those running?

[gleaming shell]

yeah which is why its so unsustainable for both the customer and user

but unfortunately its still the case right now

[upbeat shuttle]

i wonder what their node limit is

[robust creek]

why they doing it! makes no sense for them too

[upbeat shuttle]

because they're dumb

[gleaming shell]

literally 90% of the us gateways end up unsuccessful 💀

[waxen pollen]

Then they should be shut down

UK ones too

well every regions dead gateways that is

[gleaming shell]

back in the early days, there used to be 4 gateways, and the only dead one was crocus gateway

eventually more dead gateways got added (regional ones and ones not even located in the country). Eventually daffodil 4 was added and that was literally the only actual good customer

Then soon after whichever customer under the 4 galbraith gateways signed up and thats when things got bad

[robust creek]

i wonder who are those people buying

[gleaming shell]

the US has had a total of 22 known gateways ever since bandwidth sharing was added. Only 4 of them were ever known to ever have jobs at one point. Daffodil, dandelion, lotus, daffodil-4

unfortunately daffodil and dandelion are now no longer alive (along with some dead gateways)

so now were stuck with 13 known (public/non-testing) gateways, which only two of them are known to have jobs

[waxen pollen]

You can really taste the salt from this one 😅😅

[gleaming shell]

our only hope are the two testing gatewways

[robust creek]

how you know are testing

[gleaming shell]

i miss daffodil gateway, it was goated

[waxen pollen]

A few SOS stream ago

[robust creek]

eh?

[gleaming shell]

the US has a new sgs customer that is testing. Theres a small group of users (including me) that are trying out the connection to the gateway.

currenty there are no jobs on the gateway and were temporarily subsidized with a static paybut i really hope it does become successful

[waxen pollen]

It was said in a few SOS streams ago that they were testing new US gateways and wanted US chefs to participate

[robust creek]

ah ok

[robust creek]

you're getting a static pay?

[gleaming shell]

well, for now

since its a "testing period"

[robust creek]

how much

[gleaming shell]

its kinda just a subsity

48 cents *2 gateways = 96 cents per day

[ornate wharf]

Guy's what is this now😭😭

[upbeat shuttle]

not bw sharing

i still have no idea how to fix that error

it's not like they give you any button to retry

[gleaming shell]

why is there still no "view guide" for that error 😭

[upbeat shuttle]

oh is there a guide for it?

[gleaming shell]

and why does it still vaguely say "settings"

[waxen pollen]

Thats a lot more than what i get for static pay. It's 7cents here in the UK

[upbeat shuttle]

because it hasn't been touched since back when we could enable/disable elevated ram

[waxen pollen]

#community-support

[gleaming shell]

the original daffodil gateway here in the us was 12 cents per day, eventually they removed it one day, and every gateway never got it

it just sucks that majority of users (majority talking about basically everyone whos sgs can start and isnt testing the new workload) are exposed to recieveing gateways that do nothing 24/7 with no subsity

i have no clue why the galbraiths customer is doing with 4 gateways

[waxen pollen]

Ohh i agree, They REALLY SHOULD!! remove dead gateways after X time. It's honestly a job it's not being done

[gleaming shell]

it used to be 12 dead gatewyas but toolik gateway seems to have been removed so now theres 11 dead gateways

but still a lot to go

im not sure if its because the customer actually asked salad to remove it

either way we still got galbraith 1, 2 ,3, 4, swan, lotus east, west, marigold, bell, franklin, na-toolik

[waxen pollen]

At least your regions had dead gateways removed. None of the UKs have. Least not since i've been using the app.

Though i do feel for you with having so many

[gleaming shell]

well, the removals dont happen too often though

but yeah

still a dead gateway out of the way

[waxen pollen]

@hollow whale @verbal belfry Can we please get dead gateways being removed after X amount of time with no traffic on them PLEASE!!, i'll even put a cherry on top to sweeten the deal 👍

[gleaming shell]

considering they almost never get removed id assume they probably have priorities 💀

well considering how buggy the container side of the app has been recently probably more emphasis

[waxen pollen]

It should be in their TOS/contract what if they haven't sent traffic through them in X time that they will have to request the gateway to be reactivated, to use them again.

It's a joke and a middle finger for us chefs

[gleaming shell]

if chefs lose access to their salad balance after 12 months of inactivity, sgs customers should lose access to their gateway after 12 months 🔥

[waxen pollen]

more like 3 months at most for the streaming services

Longer than that is just unacceptable

[gleaming shell]

seems like sgs client doesnt run so well through mobile exit node

i want to run it in a VM through homeinternet so its a lot more stable, but considering these other competitor apps and their STUPID IDIOT anti-vm rules, its going to be inefficient to have 2 power hungry vms running just for sgs

if I want to run vms, i want to be able to run 4+ gateways at once, or have other apps run alongside the vm

but it seems like these other apps (with emphasis on a specific one that screwed over their users again and again), seems to not like vms

[upbeat shuttle]

what kinda vm though

[gleaming shell]

windows 11 vm through virtualbox if thats what youre asking about 💀

bruh one of my vms killed itself for no apparent reason, no longer starts up anymore :(

time to make a new vm

[waxen pollen]

YAY i had that a month back too

[safe loom]

i used to love sgs

but lowk

having to email disney or netflix every few weeks because i got flagged for sending them data is a bit inconvenient for my parents

though the first few weeks my ip was freshly registered

brand new ip block

[steady fjord]

what other apps give you salad like earning?

Earn app screwed everything.. Is there any other?

[ornate wharf]

What about honeygain.. and running salad sgs together?? Will it work

[safe loom]

will work, should you? absolutely not

[civic fern]

i mean, it's alright

[safe loom]

i would not trust honeygain

not even accusing them of malicious conduct but the way they treat user balances and users themselves is just no way to create trust

in salad your limitation to withdrawing is how much the item you want to redeem is

in honeygain afaik there's a fairly high minimum balance that's unachievable in a reasonable timespan

[verbal belfry]

honeygain is $20 minimum withdraw which takes a couple of months at least

[robust creek]

2 months? 20$?? When i was using it i was earning 0,05 a day and my ip got completely destroyed

[robust creek]

You also haven't considerated that to withdraw you need to give your personal informations (name surname home address) and when you withdraw 20$, 4$ are already gone in fees.

[safe loom]

jesus

sub optimal compared to salad

[steady fjord]

Honeygain hardly shares 500mb a day for me. Salad does 800GB a day

[robust creek]

The last time i used scamgain, they were paying only 30% of the traffic they were actually using

[ornate wharf]

😭 okay guys..salad is the only option

[waxen pollen]

HG damages your IPs reputation score.

[ornate wharf]

Love u guys it's always fun to gain this much knowledge frm u guys

[robust creek]

other apps to avoid because they destroy your ip: pawns app, packetstream

i remember packetstream using 30gb but paid me for only 3gb, their support ignored me

[waxen pollen]

Basically, don't use any other BW app. They are all the same, pay crap, destroy your IP or are scummy towards you.

Salad is the only safe one out there rn.

[robust creek]

Earnapp in my eyes were safe, but turned into non safe anymore after i've seen people's ips getting flagged as botnet a couple of months ago XD

[waxen pollen]

Yeah when i used to use it, i concidered it a safe app. But they became scummy which led me to no longer care about the app. Then i got banned for doing nothing that was against their TOS. Well least till they shadow updated it and blocked all my IPs.

[robust creek]

OMG SAME! i got both account and ip banned recently for no reason

[waxen pollen]

Mine was well over a year or two now. My group had 16k proxies on their network.

Side note, only went so hard due to how they treates us. We no longer cared about the app. But again, wasn't doing anything that was against their TOS in the first place.

[robust creek]

proxies are banned from at least 1 year there

if not more

[waxen pollen]

Been as long as i've been using Salad

2022/2023

[steady fjord]

[gleaming shell]

unfortunately none. Honeygain demand has been on the lower-end recently. pawns sucks balls like it always has, and of course earnapp that used to be the only other competitive app basically screwed over their users

[gleaming shell]

I hate how all bandwidth sharing apps in the us suck right now, and we're down to salad as the only app with potential

I feel like earnapp really just doesn't give a crap anymore, the app feels so vibecoded and crap, they can't sign the apps so it's marked as a virus, they also mentioned if they were to shut down earnapp, bright data would operate as if nothing happened

[waxen pollen]

Ohh yeah, they used to love saying that. EA is bit a tiny piece of BrightData

[fossil onyx]

I don’t have bad ip with HG . Strange

[waxen pollen]

It's hit and miss. HG doesn't vet tho used your IP, so any bad actor can ruin your IP and HG doesn't give a crap

[fossil onyx]

Last payout 23rd dec and today 7$ balance

[robust creek]

📉

[civic fern]

i've started turning off my pc at night

not worth it anymore to let it stay on

[waxen pollen]

Dude, it peaks every day at that time for you, before dropping back to lower levels. Stop complaining about it 😂 It does that to everyone.

[upbeat shuttle]

looks like it's running well at 2gb

[waxen pollen]

Nice

you can increase by 33% (Think 33% is right)

[ornate wharf]

I planning to to buy mini pcs fir bandwidth shearing...so i need different fiber connection for all of them right?

[upbeat shuttle]

don't buy hardware just for salad

but yes they'd defo wanna be hard wired

[ornate wharf]

Okay so in a single device i can run only one salad bw shearing...

[upbeat shuttle]

If you run proxmox and go through all that hassle, you can run multiple vms per device

[misty furnace]

*note, it's not an officially supported use case and support will not help fix any issues you encounter

[upbeat shuttle]

it is so incredibly not supported

[ornate wharf]

So on my Main pc i run multiple vms and in that i can run multiple salad for bws

[upbeat shuttle]

it has to be through ProxMox though, afaik vms running on windows just don't work

[ornate wharf]

Okay

[ornate wharf]

Is ther any video or something so i can see hw will it work..or I hav to figure it out all

[upbeat shuttle]

yeah there's plenty of video tutorials for how to install and setup Proxmox, and then how to create a windows vm within proxmox

then you just install salad on the windows vm

[waxen pollen]

It really should be though.

[ornate wharf]

Will I'll get ban if i do this.. or i should just use different salad accounts.?

[waxen pollen]

Thats not correct, i used to run many through HyperV

[upbeat shuttle]

You're only allowed one Salad account, as is stated in the TOS.
As far as I know, running Salad in multiple VMs on a ProxMox host isn't against the TOS.

[upbeat shuttle]

ah cool

[waxen pollen]

Though if you connect to them via HyperVs console it will knock BW off. So using something like Chrome Remote helps with that

@ornate wharf ☝️

[upbeat shuttle]

I can absolutely understand tho why Salad wouldn't want to provide support for this

most of the time they'd probably just be helping troubleshoot proxmox issues that are entirely unrelated to salad

[waxen pollen]

There just window devices. I don't see why they wouldn't

[upbeat shuttle]

for issues entirely unrelated to it running as a VM on proxmox, maybe

[waxen pollen]

Well i don't mean the VM software itself, but the windows device with salad running on it i don't see why

[upbeat shuttle]

but there's also so many issues that could be caused by it running as a VM on proxmox

[waxen pollen]

can you name any?

[ornate wharf]

1 last qutions with 1 ip i can run 1 bws on salad?

[waxen pollen]

As i've been using VMs for some years now with 0 issues related to salad and bw

[waxen pollen]

It's meant to be 1 IP per device

[ornate wharf]

But if I'll run multiple vms in my pc how I'll get multiple ip or ethernet connect

[upbeat shuttle]

I worded that a bit badly and I have no idea how to word it better

[waxen pollen]

via HyperV if you have access to more than 1 broadband line. Youd bridge the connected by adding a new virtual network. (Look on YT for how) or if you can obtain more IPs then you'd use windows proxy tool within settings-networking

[thorny imp]

Somehow got a czech bandwidth gateway in sweden

It connected to Terezin gateway

I shall restart my salad just incase its somehow against the rules

[gleaming shell]

a while back i somehow got a us gateway while I was in china, connected to a hony kong vpn 💀

also you don't have restart salad id you want, not like its your fault that salad chose the incorrect gateway

[granite umbra]

Bandwidth sharing finally at demand!!!!! US daffodil gateway

[gleaming shell]

nice to see d4 still alive

wonder if lotus is good aswell still

[granite umbra]

24 hour

[robust creek]

very odd seeing so few countries connections

look mine

[granite umbra]

US only has a few at most

[gleaming shell]

not that its related but uk bandwidth sharing has more bandwidth usage to us ips than the us itself does 💀

atleast on one of the good gateways

[ornate wharf]

Hey which app ur using to see that bw connection..and how I'll not that im connected to dead gateway

[granite umbra]

Using glasswire and the gateway depends on where you live

[ornate wharf]

India

[granite umbra]

I don't know what gateway you have in demand

Usually you would see what Is using how much of your Internet

Gateway usually start with sgs and end with salad.com

[ornate wharf]

Restarting salad will give me good gateway Or something?

Anything mr.expert's?

[granite umbra]

You are bandwidth sharing

[granite umbra]

No

[tidal bough]

ranking the gateways in my folder

[ornate wharf]

Yes

[safe loom]

you guys love complaining hey

literally free money

[serene falcon]

what is this rtkwifimanserv.exe?

[safe loom]

huh

let's have a google

oh

it's a realtek wifi service

must have a realtek chipset for your ethernet i'm guessing?

[serene falcon]

yeah

but why it's here?

[safe loom]

i'm guessing it's a fallback if your service is already disabled?

not sure i'll have to ask

rest assured it's a safe legitimate file

[serene falcon]

ohk

[safe loom]

i can't imagine it's required to be there either, can probably delete it without issue

[serene falcon]

maybe yeah

[ornate wharf]

Mine is sgs-in-c 🙂

[serene falcon]

That's the most active

[ornate wharf]

Oooo 😁

[misty furnace]

I've literally never seen that before in a salad folder... please do let me know if you find out more

[safe loom]

getting a response (hopefully)

[robust creek]

Why you getting germany japan and papua new guinea sgs?

[gleaming shell]

no clue lmao

same with how i got a us gateway while i was in china

[robust creek]

Probably they needed usa ip 🤷‍♂️

[gleaming shell]

holy latency then 💀

[robust creek]

Still lower than when you buy residential proxies btw

[gleaming shell]

Just realized what you meant about "Papua new Guinea" lol

Unfortunately it's not a PG gateway, it's yet another stupid dead jobless gateway from yet another stupid us customer

Not sure why they abbreviated the workload code before the country for that workload

Either way doesn't make it any better, dead gateways will always be bad and equally as bad as each other

[robust creek]

[robust creek]

Power is gone from almost 1 hour!! I had to turn off my desktop but at least my laptop and modem are safe thanks by my ups

Salad running on the laptop

[upbeat shuttle]

oof

[robust creek]

Still no power, ups is dead

[robust creek]

Still no power.. rip earnings

[misty furnace]

f

[civic tusk]

more like paid 'free money' on my end lmao

[safe niche]

dude

why tf does librespeed test for germany

even tho im in india

and and the one time it got the location correct it worked so well

then i restarted my pc

now it only tests for germany 🤡

[misty furnace]

that's because the germany server has the lowest ping currently. librespeed picks the lowest ping, not the highest speeds

[steady fjord]

that thing tweaks bad. My STABLE gbps net could show anywhere between 0.8mbps to 310mbps

in librespeed. Other speedtest websites always and always display 980 - 1000 mbps up and down

[safe niche]

I have a 500mbps net it shows jst 2 Mbps sometimes

I get why people call it libreshit

[gleaming shell]

libresheit after choosing a server on the other side of the world with bad ping and crap speeds over a server thats literally just a few hours away from me

^oh and not to mention the occasional speedtests where it would just kill itself halfway through the upload test but continues to record so it just adds 0.00mbps to the average

the result? a terrible speedtest

[safe niche]

Fr

[civic tusk]

why does salad keep using librespeed? it feels very counterintuitive

[upbeat shuttle]

it's apparently the best free solution

[mighty fractal]

if thats the best i wonder what the other options are...

[misty furnace]

there's a ton of better options but none free. corporate pricing gets pretty crazy for things like speedtest.net

[latent breach]

@misty furnace I forgot glasswire's version number

[latent breach]

Can you send that version number?

[upbeat shuttle]

^^

[misty furnace]

check the changelog page and scroll back to the 2022 build with a link in it

[humble wharf]

Can I be a 5/5 Chef if only BW jobs can run?

[gleaming shell]

computer shut off for no reason 😔 lost both sgs

god this basement sucks 😭

mobile data is so bad sometimes it cant even ping

and the wifi sometimes cant even negotiate a 5ghz connection

i have a 6ghz adapter and its negotiating 2.4ghz (and yes i did set the preferred band)

brpo what

[steady fjord]

Quick question. Salad says a speed over 15mbps is good to go for bandwidth sharing. Will it make much of a difference in my earnings if libre speed records 15mbps, or 100mbps, or 500mbps. Is the recorded speed only used to qualify a machine for sgs, or it also plays a role in the queue position for jobs?

[gleaming shell]

not sure, salads star chef system seems horribly made lol it doesnt even show up if you dont have desirable hardware, have everything checked off, and its only on fridays for some whatever reason
either way if youre only running bandwidth sharing, star chef does absolutely nothing.

[gleaming shell]

in my experience, the speeds that were recorded didnt affect my position in queue. Ive gotten sgs to start instantly before with like 10mbps and like 350 ping (bad speedtest) and Its taken me months to get sgs on way faster internet

but i still keep a minimum of atleast 25mbps

not sure if it will start at very low recorded speeds. Salad can start sgs client before librespeed even finishes testing. Its weird

[upbeat shuttle]

iirc some gateways can require higher minimum speeds, but pretty much all of them accept as low as 10/15/20mbps or whatever it was

[dusky skiff]

Any hint when is BW coming to Spain? 🇪🇸

[robust creek]

(s)Pain

jk, when a client needs spanish ips

[gleaming shell]

some person here has been hoping for it for years

i doubt it will ever come 💀

[civic tusk]

just like the day that SGS will be out of its 'experimental phase' according to the app

hilarious that an experimental feature earns more than nearly everything else for 90% of Salad clients and Salad doesn't see this as a great opportunity to revamp SGS and make it better for more by removing all shit gateways that haven't had any traffic for months/years and actually making US SGS not a joke in payment or uptime and actually something that looks more like gateways outside of the US like UK or German SGS gateways

[misty furnace]

lotta yap but yea

[upbeat shuttle]

they see more money in containers unfortunately

[gleaming shell]

this

[civic tusk]

i guess that includes bitcoin mining

[gleaming shell]

The sgs application itself is unable to handle even a micro-disconnection, itll drop all jobs and connections and have to wait to recover.

And nice to hear the dead gateway situation having some light brought to it lol. The us has had its first dead gateway in the early days (crocus gateway) and it's just gotten worse and worse over time, now with like 13ish (I literally lost count) dead gateways and it's been worse than ever

And doesn't help when no gateways have static pay (except for the testing ones that are closed so not available to the public, and that's temporary, can only hope these 2 new gateways don't disappoint)

[gleaming shell]

correction: I think it's 12 dead gateways?

[civic tusk]

the only static paying one I have (not currently because i guess someone luckier than me got it) pays me half a cent an hour. before it was paying half a dollar an hour.

talk about a horrible dropoff

i haven't had a decent job of SGS for over a month at this point

[gleaming shell]

Correction 2: 11 dead gateways right now, 16 in total including no longer active ones

[civic tusk]

a giftcard from Salad is literal folklore at this point

even a 5 dollar one

hell even a 1 dollar one lmao

not sure if theres anything smaller than 1 dollar being paid out, like cents

[gleaming shell]

It's kinda a 2 boss battles for us bandwidth

Gotta make sure your IP is desirable to even get SGS, and once you get it, you gotta pray salad gives you one of the only 2 alive gateways 💀

Out of the 13

[civic tusk]

What even makes an IP desirable

[gleaming shell]

no clue lmao

[civic tusk]

I think its just reputability of the ISP but not sure on this

[gleaming shell]

Sometimes I wouldn't get SGS for months upon months, then I switch to a new IP and I get it instantly despite a bad speedtest

happened a few times on my old isp

[civic tusk]

did you request a new IP or something?

[gleaming shell]

I couldn't get SGS on the new test workloads I was a part of, because my IP was so undesirable .

The SGS manager had to manually put my IP in an allowlist or something so I could get it

[gleaming shell]

On my old ISP that worked, but my current ISP sucks and every IP they have sucks

so no luck doing that for this ISP

[civic tusk]

Crazy shit

[gleaming shell]

mobile data down here in the basement seems to be getting worse every day 💀

[gleaming shell]

200kilobytes per second, its all im asking for 😭

something fast enough to take a speedtes ton

no way 💀

like a bit less than 25 kilobytes per second i think 💀 (200kbps i think)

[gleaming shell]

nevvermind, that was local netowrk activity, its even slower than that 💀

[robust creek]

Spyke

[granite steppe]

what's this

???

[gleaming shell]

Are you asking about the tailscale service? Or something Else

[upbeat shuttle]

it's glasswire

https://download.glasswire.com/f/glasswire-setup-2.3.449-full.exe for an older version that works perfectly and has way more features that weren't paywalled yet

[mighty fractal]

why are they hosting that version

that's funny

[upbeat shuttle]

ikr

[gleaming shell]

ah thought they already knew what glasswire was lol

[gleaming shell]

yeah they still have previous versions lol

so you can avoid the stupid paywalled features and forced auto updates with a stupid popup window that appears in your screen unfocusing your current window just for a stupid countdown or "bite the bullet"

its basically a persistent always-on-top pop-up window that tabs you out of your active window, no "close" button, the only button you get is "install now" which if you dont press it will install it for you

[gleaming shell]

PLEASE salad and the US customer in testing, do not disappoint us... you're our only hope now here in the US. Every other bandwidth sharing app has screwed over their users now

honeygain has just halved their payout rate again

it used to be 5MB per credit, that turned to 10MB, and now its 20MB per credit

Earnapp screwed over everyone in the us and became abusive idiots long ago

Pawns.app pays basically nothing

were left with salad now as an only potential, but theres an abundance of dead gateways

[waxen pollen]

😩

[misty furnace]

back in the day I would have loved to get that pay per gb from when containers were using 3TB+ daily

[gleaming shell]

10tb+ disk writes per session mentioned

[robust creek]

Who even still uses that crap?

[civic fern]

i did, until yesterday night

i sent messages to @gleaming shell saying how it changed again

that's when i said fuck it, and deleted everything except sald

my quality score should slowly return to life

[robust creek]

when my ip got destroyed it took around 6 months to recover 😅 and i had to stop all of the apps

[civic fern]

that didn't take long lol

[granite steppe]

the tailscale

[robust creek]

Your ip probably changed

[robust creek]

Its like a vpn only for local stuff

Example you have a NAS at home and don't wanna open the modem ports because you are scared of hack attacks so you use tailscale to access your home local connection remotely while keeping it secure

[granite steppe]

ohhhh

[upbeat shuttle]

it's incredible that this stupid app still steals sgs from other pcs on the same network

[mighty fractal]

can't you block glasswire connetcting to the internet using glasswire?

[gleaming shell]

I think the firewall feature is paywalles

[mighty fractal]

that's ironic

[gleaming shell]

I think

walled*

[mighty fractal]

what about a dns block?

[gleaming shell]

or maybe I could block wan connections from glassware using the windows firewall

since the local machine and remote monitoring only needs lan connection

(I think)

w mobile data

had 5 messages pending here and they timed out and discord for some reason killed them 💀

[gleaming shell]

i only use it because my ip quaity is so bad to begin with and sgs wont start

[robust creek]

They could be adding on dashboard for bw sharing users "traffic sold" too

[civic tusk]

sgs starts for me but for the past month a real SGS connection with a server is a legitimate pipe dream. i only get half a cent per hour

and you might think 'if you keep it on longer without a vpn maybe you'll get a well paying connection'

yeah... wrong and wrong. still funny that salad claims you won't be paid any more if you have a vpn but it's the only way i have been 'paid' for the past month

thankfully it actually gave me the highest estimated payout throughout all these hours though

i really feel that for some reason salad just hates my ip's guts and has just blacklisted it from their list for no reason. there's nothing wrong with its ip reputability, it gets a consistent 400mbps. nothing sketchy is done on it either like piracy.

as soon as i sent this message my max estimated payout went to a quarter of a cent.

[waxen pollen]

Kinda funny that chefs rarely considering anything that they may have done to their own IP. Or that due to IPs that can be shared between more than a single user by ISPs that it's somehow Salads fault.

Rarely considering things like

It could be the sites you or the shared IP user are visiting that have made your IP reputation score drop to a lvl that Salad's clients do not want to use.
(These are hypotheticals btw and no hate is being dished out to you or any other chef)

Your also not considering your location either and how demand rules supply. If there's no demand in your area, then you get no work.
The fact your using a VPN which moves your location else where can maybe support that hypothesis too. But it's also not a guarantee either as there are many many variables to consider. These are just a few i can think of rn.

You may have also just got lucky that the VPN location is still within the max latency requirements too.

Just be thankful that Salad doesn't ban VPNs and that your able to get SGS while using one

[civic tusk]

It isn’t like in a different area though. It’s just a VPN connecting to a city like 50 miles away. I guess Salad can tell which state I’m in because sgs is off whenever I use a Vpn out of state/country

But i guess its probably just lack of area spreading

[gleaming shell]

what gateway is that if you know? from what ive heard theres no static pay for us bandwidth except for 2 of the gateways that are in closed testing and those pay 2 cents an hour

[gleaming shell]

yeah unfortunatelyfrom experience, I can confirm uptime does basically nothing (obviously given the case you dont kill sgs in 2 seconds)

[civic tusk]

hasn’t even connected to a gateway in 2 weeks

[gleaming shell]

you gain absolutely nothing from running a dead gateway for 1 minute vs several months and years

[civic tusk]

i don’t understand it myself

I can send a ss of the pay and the folder with gateway names

[gleaming shell]

can i see the folder with the workloads

with the "date modified" column included

[gleaming shell]

wow no sgs for a while

usually that signifies an undesirable ip :(

[civic tusk]

i mean i've checked ip reputability sites and nothing bad comes up

[gleaming shell]

also ironic lol every single us gateway in that screenshot are all dead jobless

[civic tusk]

so i guess my spot on the globe just isn't good enough for the SGS

[gleaming shell]

only site that has an issue with my ip is ipqs

wow the mobile data is getting really bad

taking a whole minute for the message to send

[gleaming shell]

I dont think your location would really be too much of an influence considering sgs gateway assignation is really random. I live in the midwest US and ive gotten gateways located in the coast, and also the uk and canada,
Ive also gotten a us gateway while I was in china connected to a hong kong vpn ip, its insane

[waxen pollen]

Your also not considering that the US has like 12 dead gateways and if you've only got 1 device. you've got a 1 out of 14 chance of actually getting work.

It's super stupid IK and salad should remove dead gateways after X amount of time. But as i said, theres many variables that need to be taken into account to get a more accurate reading on thing. Thats all i'm trying to say.

[civic tusk]

isn't multiple devices iffy with SGS though?

[waxen pollen]

Yeah thats also a bit complicated too

[gleaming shell]

My old isp has really desirable ips and i would get sgs client instantly, ever since i switched to this new isp, sgs never started no matter what ip i had

mobile data is getting worse every day wtf i cant even send messages or even ping sometimes 💀

1 megabyte per second mobile data is all im asking wtf is this 😭

took a good 3 minutes to send

wow 2 of my messages disappeared

[waxen pollen]

There's seems to be a max limit of how many devices a single account can have SGS running at any one time and it's against TOS to have more than 1 account.

Have you tried cycling the IP by shutting the router off for half hr to an hr to try and get a new IP?

If your IP is a dynamic one that is and not a static IP

[gleaming shell]

yeah I can say it definitely is
salad (sometimes) isnt aware of which devices are connected to which gateway and can sometimes "steal" gateways causing devices actively running jobs to be interrupted
also killing sgs on one machine has a chance of causing gateways to swap on other machines, its weird

[waxen pollen]

too

Don't get me wrong, Salad needs to fix some sh*t, but it's not always because of Salad

[gleaming shell]

the customers are also kinda dumb for signing up for dead gatewys and causing unsustainability

[waxen pollen]

From my conversation with EK, they do plan on revamping SGS with a better system. But it's when that gets a higher priority to be done. Could be next week, could be in X years

[gleaming shell]

I dont see why gateways cant be "centralized" or atleast "load balanced"
I mapped out every sgs location and it seems like many of the gateways are clumped to each other, and the distance from each gateways dont seem to be too far

[waxen pollen]

Yeah it's far worse in the US than other regions. I do feel for you all. But if Salad would just remove old/dead gateways, that would go a long way in addressing some of these issues.

It vexis me that they still haven't addressed this.

[gleaming shell]

like if these were to be aggregated, the job-abundant daffodil-4 and lotus can get rid of the dead galbraith 1 gateway

obviously they might not be exactly in that location but yteah

[waxen pollen]

Cough Cough....

[gleaming shell]

ok yeah thats kinda all 💀 the only alive gateways are located in the middle of the country

[waxen pollen]

That won't happen due to clients requesting/requiring there own gateways. It makes little sense why

[gleaming shell]

yeah unfortunate

[waxen pollen]

Best we can get with that IS Salad removing old/dead gateways

[gleaming shell]

oh right and these gateways that are located like 7000km away from the us, in the uk, that have literally zero reason to exist

[waxen pollen]

https://tenor.com/view/sus-rock-gif-23559354

[waxen pollen]

Could they not be US gateways for US clients to connect to UK streaming services?

[civic tusk]

How can I determine if it’s a static or dynamic ip without waiting 30 mins-1hr

[gleaming shell]

marigold used to be a uk gateway, but it seems to be a us one now, but idk what its for as theres absolutely zero activity going on, not even those small spikes that dont pay

[waxen pollen]

It's in your contract

Has your IP ever changed randomly?

[gleaming shell]

there used to be toolik aswell there in the uk, but thank god were 1 dead gateway down

[civic tusk]

haven’t paid attention to it in a while lol

it looks different than when i last checked

[waxen pollen]

hmmmm, can you not check your contract or contact your ISP?

[civic tusk]

it’s not my contract to begin with and i don’t really want to pry with those kinds of matters

[gleaming shell]

my old isp never told me if my ip was static or dynamic

[waxen pollen]

Then ig your best option is to power cycle your router than.

[gleaming shell]

only way i found out was a router reset

[waxen pollen]

May take more than 1 try as it doesn't always change the IP.

[gleaming shell]

oh right it took like 3 tries for me 😔

[waxen pollen]

pain

[gleaming shell]

last attempt for some reason internet connectivity died for hours until i manually restarted the router then magically came a new ip

then sgs client instantly started after being gone for months

[waxen pollen]

see hole IP blocks can sometimes be blocked, not just an individual IP and if your ISP only has a certain amount of gateways, then that could be a reason why it took so many attempts.

[civic tusk]

Does DHCP enabled influence whether it’s dynamic or static?

google says it does but not sure

[gleaming shell]

its enabled on mine

i can get a new ip

but yeah no clue if it has any correlation

[civic tusk]

it says Yes on my end in cmdprompt

[waxen pollen]

yeah i'm not sure either.

I feel like it does. Else it would say static. But again, i'm not really a networking guy. I've only become more knowledgeable about it in recent months/years. But i'm also very forgetful and forget a lot of the stuff i learn 😅

[gleaming shell]

💀

whoops wrong channel

[upbeat shuttle]

yikes

i mean salad has the exact same thing, but at least nobody here even slightly defends it

[waxen pollen]

What's the point or even the reason to remove the balance of an inactive account anyways?

[gleaming shell]

either greed or maybe just clearing out balances from inactive users that might have quit

6 months seems like little time though

-# but yeah definitely emphasizes how the money you earn really isnt yours until its in your bank

[waxen pollen]

I believe we should have an option through say PP, to withdraw any amount of our balance. So if a chef leaves, they can take what they have made regardless and if they haven't for a year, then and only then would i think it would be acceptable for Salad/HG/EA or any other the others to remove the balance.

[gleaming shell]

not sure why salad doesnt have an option for a specific withdraw amount to paypal"
pawns.app also uses tremendous and when you cash out, the balance goes down to 0.00 and it cashes everything out (excluding fees obviously)

salad only seems to have predefined amounts unfortunately

[waxen pollen]

Yeah i think they should do that too. Makes no sense to have withdraw limits when the payment provider has the option to withdraw everything.

[gleaming shell]

its pretty difficult to get your salad balance down to a flat 0.00 lol

[waxen pollen]

very

[gleaming shell]

i guess its an extra tiny percentage of revenue for salad when some users 0.01 voids after a year

[waxen pollen]

yeah but it's often not that small of an amount. There must be many sub $5 inactive accounts out there. Often with around $3 in them thats left in there after a withdrawal.

[gleaming shell]

yep

they did milk out a good few hundred dollars a while back during the insurgence of the false "fraudulent email" ban back in 2023 💀

[waxen pollen]

bet more than a few 100

[gleaming shell]

atleast 125 dollars

from my encounters

definitely more but from screenshots, atleast 125

As I mentioned a while back aswell, im not sure if salad still does this but it definitely is very immoral (to the innocent people obv)

[upbeat shuttle]

money.

it is always so they can make more money by yoinking money from people that stopped using their service either temporarily or forever

[gleaming shell]

this is why bank account

[waxen pollen]

sounds about right

[upbeat shuttle]

while technically it's their money already because it's nothing more than a number indicating a certain value of currency that they owe you, it removes the liability of them having to keep x extra balance on hand just in case if those inactive accounts suddenly came back to cash out every last penny

[gleaming shell]

all hidden deep somewhere in the tos majority of people dont read

“reward points,” which they define as “Salad balance” that you earn or accumulate is at all times the property of the “company” (Salad).
“any accumulated amounts may not be paid out.” (pawns)
“your account and any Credits you have earned can be terminated or suspended at the sole discretion of Bright Data”

[waxen pollen]

Thats why salad should give a way for us to withdraw every last cent via PayPal or soemthing. Then Salad would need to keep that amount on hand and could invest it

[gleaming shell]

salad is the most explicit about this which is a thumbs up, but is the biggest thumbs down for any passive income app for transparency and delivering bans

[upbeat shuttle]

first example that comes to mind was nicehash when they added an inactivity fee designed solely to steal money from people that let their crypto sit in nicehash - everyone that was doing that immediately took their money out of nicehash - i too did this, sending it to shark :)

i hate ipqualityscore

don't dare to use an email provider that isn't one of the top three otherwise you get automatically soft banned or whatever from redeeming anything

[gleaming shell]

apparently the paid plan still marks my ip as very bad, and mobile

[gleaming shell]

(no clue if youre talking salad or another app) ive been told a while back from angaros that salad doesnt use ipqualityscore, but from a support email a while back they do use some sort of automated system

[upbeat shuttle]

https://tenor.com/view/we-do-a-little-trolling-misinformation-toji-no-miko-kaoru-mashiko-gif-24078541

[gleaming shell]

regardless,

[gleaming shell]

correction: atleast 225

maybe i should start doing my homework now

i shall vanish

[misty furnace]

I kinda understand it, but only if they have it delete the whole account, not just balance. data privacy/retention and whatnot

[civic fern]

jokes on them, i emptied my account before deleting it

[robust creek]

I'm not using scamgain from 2022 🔥

[civic fern]

i did pull out 40€ from it before deleting... still, yeah, fair

[robust creek]

Their content delivery was paying me 0.006 per hour fixed and using as much traffic as it uses salad

If thats not scam..

[civic fern]

you can always deactive cd

deactivate**

[robust creek]

I used it just to reach 20 faster and leave

[dusk phoenix]

in some countries u cant even get that (30 days+ uptime)

for me tbh only salad pays good 72 cents per day

[civic fern]

THIS is scam

9 days ago btw

before at least they used to tell you how much they screwed you over

now not even that

[robust creek]

Basically like earnapp 😅 🤷‍♂️

[civic fern]

nono, earnapp now is purely CD

instant deletion from me as soon as i found out

[robust creek]

They was doing cd stuff before too but was still paying per gb

the funny part of it is that i was using it anyways, they used 7-8gb a day for months and pay 23 hour a day of uptime, then started using 2-3gb and paying from 8 to 15 hours a day and now, they banned my account and blacklisted my ip, no reasons XD

[civic fern]

wat

[fervent bough]

Guys how can i check if there is demand for badwitch sharing in my locatiob

Also how can i check my IP adres quality

[upbeat shuttle]

check the pinned messages

[serene falcon]

Sgs was running good, but suddenly disappeared no pc restart no network disconnect just disappeared, I tried restartimg many times sgs not booting up earlier it was booting even before speedtest. I have static ip.

[frozen widget]

ig just wait until your machine gets demand, maybe reinstall salad 1.9.5 or newest version, if you are not experiencing any errors

[serene falcon]

I am on 1.19.5

[frozen widget]

how long have you waited?

might be that there is no demand in your region

[serene falcon]

30 min ago it just disappeared for no reason

I was earning 0.12 per hour before it disappeared

[frozen widget]

crash or whatsoever, let's hope it comes back later

[serene falcon]

Hope so🤞

[fervent bough]

is this bad result?

[waxen pollen]

Not great, but not blockable yet

[fervent bough]

its probably because i used other badwitch sharing apps on this pc

do you know how to get this result better?

[waxen pollen]

Yep, they tend to destroy your IP reputation score.

[waxen pollen]

Time

Not going on sites that destroy it, that and using apps that don't vet who uses your IP and what for

Like, HG, Pawns, IPRoyal, P2P, PacketStream to name just a few

[fervent bough]

Ive unistalled them all from my pc

They are running on my old unused phone

[waxen pollen]

Takes time and a long time at that for the score to change.

[waxen pollen]

if said phone if connected to the same internet, it'll never get better

[fervent bough]

Huh

That will be a problem

Cause i dont know which would get me more profit

[waxen pollen]

Id suggest not using those apps, they don't make much in the first place

If you must and are ok with only making $10 a month for as much traffic down your throat as they like. You can use EA, but you can also use Salad along side it. Both apps don't destroy your IP score. They vet their clients for the most part

[fervent bough]

By ea you mean earnapp?

[waxen pollen]

That and have strictions on what sites can be accessed.

[waxen pollen]

Yep

[fervent bough]

How can i set this strictions up ?

[waxen pollen]

I do not due to how scummy they have become though

Salad is the only app i use now

[waxen pollen]

Those apps do it for you

Which is the only reason i'm even suggested EA. But they have become scummy over the last 2/3 years

limiting the amount of traffic you get and payout takes 6 months or get $10 a month for them to shove as much traffic down your throats as they like.

[gleaming shell]

Wow that's scammy

"no fixed rate", an excuse for them to always decrease the payout rate and never increase it
"no fixed rate" but every time they "vary" the rate, its always lower than before

[robust creek]

Guys its just like earnapp, they pay you what they want even if they consume a lot of data. Same.

[upbeat shuttle]

oh cool

[misty furnace]

sgsing

[gleaming shell]

yep, though i do find earnapp to be the ultimately worst people. tripled down not only by changing to pay-per-time then proceeding to abuse us, but also basically vibe-coding the app where it cant last 2 seconds without killing itself then logging out, and they stopped signing their app so its marked as a virus and the self updater gets nuked by av, very unprofessional

[gleaming shell]

tese messgae

test*

yep mobile data is dead again

when will i move out this stupid basement 😔

literally cant ping, thats how bad my mobile data gets sometimes 💀

[gleaming shell]

ive heard signing apps costs money, so i wouldnt be surprised if they stopped signing their windows app (which is the only one they sign) to milk out even more profits along with abusing their users

but with their business practices, it might aswell be flagged as malware/unwanted app

[misty furnace]

"it's always dns"

[robust creek]

I was doing "earnapp stop" wait 10 seconds "earnapp start" every days at least 1 time a day, anoying but making sure it was working 🤷‍♂️

[gleaming shell]

it hates mobile ips lol it takes like 30 attempts of that

Once I can get SGS properly I'll quit these abusive apps that were once competitive

Someone should make a script where if earnapp doesn't reconnect within 30 seconds it automatically restarts

Probably against it's stupid tos tho because of course passive income apps hate it when the community makes a third party software that fixes the stupid app the stupid developers won't fix themselves

[fossil onyx]

How to ensure we have salad job for bandwidth sharing ? I need to check. I earn dust these past days

[tardy swan]

jobs aren't guaranteed

[gleaming shell]

to check if sgs client is started, simply search for it in task manager
but if you want to ensure its actually running youll have to see its live data usage. check the logs to see if sgs client is erroring out or if its stuck at 0mbps in task man (it should occasionally say 0.1mbps)

[fossil onyx]

Thanks for your support .

[stable niche]

Hi, how up to date is the gateway list by country ? Is it still accurate if it's 2 in Canada ? Trying to figure out if it's ideal to set up a 3rd sgs. I'm on 1.5 GB down and up. Thanks !

[upbeat shuttle]

no idea

i haven't checked in a while

easiest way to know is to try it and see

or i might remember to update the list tomorrow

[tidal bough]

There are 6 gateways in Canada, but you are much more likely to get the top three (I’m not sure if the bottom three are still active)

pr and E-C are the ones that have traffic, pr-c is dead

[stable niche]

Thanks for your help @tidal bough and @upbeat shuttle 👍

[tidal bough]

imo a 3rd sgs is not worth it unless the cost to run it is cheaper than $0.10/day

[fossil onyx]

Where to find list ?

[steady fjord]

C:/program data/salad/workloads

[robust creek]

E-C is the same my country has too

[tidal bough]

I’ve also got IT-E-C before, makes me think it’s the same customer

[gleaming shell]

in that case im glad yall dont have anything under EB-

[gleaming shell]

is it possible for salad to use something like iperf3 for speedtesting

like the server can be directly hosted on the sgs servers, and atleast this doesnt select crappy servers and kill itself halfway in the upload test

also supports simultaneous download and upload so it actually reflects conditions for bandwidth sharing

[waxen pollen]

They said in the last SOS stream that they may have an alternative to S*tSpeed. Soooooooo SoonTM

https://tenor.com/view/soon-mike-myers-dr-evil-gif-26826168

[gleaming shell]

imagine its another crappy speedtest software that chooses a server located in the titanic rooms 💀

i doubt theyll use ooklas speedtest tho since of course its not free for commercial use

and yes, "soon"

that could be when i retire

[waxen pollen]

Also Linux was also possibility SoonTM than we had thought too

[gleaming shell]

panic-cashed out my earnapp balance again lol

i thought my account was banned, yet again

for some reason my mobile ip was blocked uner "other reasons" (indication of an account ban) but thank god i wasnt actually banned, restarted my phone and got a new mobile ip. works again

oh well even if I was a bad actor im sure they will somehow find a way to make up some BS excuse of how it was a valid decision for them to ban me for using a mobile ip (hey they have a mobile app and mobile ip support, lets have them try to come up with an excuse)

anyways cashed out my ea balance again 💀 might start using the auto redeem

[gleaming shell]

or maybe of course it was ipissqualityscore

I love indirectly having my money given to a stupid BS IP quality site that admits that they lie about scores

[misty furnace]

it already exists in closed beta!

has for a few months

[tame flicker]

When will I be able to run sgs on my raspberry pi and forget about it's existence

Instead of having to monitor wincrap almost every weak

[frigid reef]

I generally don’t get how so many people have issues with salad/windows

[tame flicker]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Never got a real response from support after the issue of salad restarting every 5min and re doing speed test

[robust creek]

Would be better for sgs having it running on raspberry

[tame flicker]

I had to make a vm to get it working again

[waxen pollen]

Was talking about the public version that was hinted at in the last SOS stream

IE an outside company developing it.

[waxen pollen]

Have you been checking for micro network disconnects? I used to have that issue with my Virgin broadband. Would drop out multiple times a day.

[frigid reef]

Yeah that’s a closed test

[waxen pollen]

Hmm, i heard the data centre version was out a few months ago. But had no security built in so the public version was still no were near ready for us. We heard in the last SOS stream that you were looking at/out sourcing it

[frigid reef]

They wanted a couple people who can actually help test it, aka people that will go out of their way to find bugs and such not just run the app and leave it

[waxen pollen]

thats fair

[frigid reef]

This is a closed test as you gotta be invited

[waxen pollen]

understandable

[tame flicker]

No, its constant and I see salad in the event viewer crashing repeatedly,
I have fiber and a maximum of 1 internet cut every 3 years

[waxen pollen]

gotcha

mine went out last night 😩 So SGS is ramping back up again

FTTP 5Gig

First time it actually has, since Sky fixed the local area issue that was causing it to drop multiple times a day regularly for months and months, some months ago now. So can't complain too much

[robust creek]

Whats the difference between ftth and fttp?

[waxen pollen]

It's the same, (FTTH) Fibre to the home, (FTTP) Fibre to the premises.

Or at least I would have thought they were the same thing

[upbeat shuttle]

yeah I'd assume they're the same

[waxen pollen]

😭

[upbeat shuttle]

surely that isn't real

oh yikes

cheapest 2x64gb is £1.1k

[tardy swan]

worth it!

[waxen pollen]

Oh, it is unfortunately. That's on scan.co.uk. Corsairs selling them for £1517.99

I'm weighing up if i should get it now or wait till around the end of April.

Although the Corsair one is RGB 🤮

[civic tusk]

don’t buy when its over 1k

[waxen pollen]

But the potential earings i could make back from it though.

Would only take a mere few months.
Jeeeez, the amount I'd make from it by the time pricing came back down again alone

[gleaming shell]

the ram I bought is now 240 dollars, increased from 220 last time i checked 💀 its on the cheaper side of ram too if i remember

[waxen pollen]

DDR4 i assume? Mine's DDR5 and cost me £400 when I got it, now it's over £1400

[gleaming shell]

yeah 32gb ddr4, its only one sided heatsink too lol

if i remember it was decently cheap when i bought it 💀 now i want another set but i guess i wont be doing that anytime soon if ever

best i could do is probably use one of those laptop to desktop ram adapters and steal some spare laptop ram, at the cost of some speed though

[waxen pollen]

Yeah. IK id make well more than it costs me in the long run. Heck, even the short term. But i hate paying those greedy bas****ds that much.

Have to wait till April anyways, so hoping the price will go down a bit by then

It was £1550 on Corsairs site not too long ago

[civic tusk]

on what? Sgs?

bc i have 128gb and i don’t even get a gateway even after an IP change

keep in mind it’ll prob be different for you though

[waxen pollen]

Yeah UK traffic 😅

[gleaming shell]

stupid speedtesting software choosing a server located on the other side of the country

surely its "choosing a server based on ping"

[waxen pollen]

Thats what i've heard them say

How bad is your local servers ping

[gleaming shell]

librespeeds command output also says "choosing the fastest server based on ping" then proceeds to choose a server located in iran sometimes

[waxen pollen]

👀

[gleaming shell]

am running a vm so that could maybe skew it idk

my ping to router is like 3ms (im in the basement), and ping to the chicago server islike 12ms

a vm adds an extra bit of ms

interesting, virtualbox doesnt seem to work (with a windows guest) when you have 6 vcpus 💀

4vcpus work but its a bit too unstable, 8vcpu works but adds like 8-10 extra watts (which is fine tbh given its perfectly stable, a physical machine alone still uses more)
6 threads for some reason a display output error occurs 💀

[waxen pollen]

Seriously, I use 2 Vcores per VM

[gleaming shell]

for some reason salad bowl service uses quite a bit (at startup) so it can sometimes interfere with libresheit, so thats why 8 threads is optimal for me

maybe i can strip down windows so much so it only needs 2 threads

I did cut the ram down from 8gb to 4gb though

[upbeat shuttle]

i love saladbowl

my pc genuinely feels faster on startup after uninstalling salad

maybe trying to max out my internet and gobble up cpu resources right when every other app and service on my pc also wants a share of those resources isn't a good idea

[gleaming shell]

lol it still marks winaero tweaker as a virus

[gleaming shell]

i love persistent background process

[gleaming shell]

and it nuked it before it even gave me the option to "allow/restore"!!

amazing

[upbeat shuttle]

this is not your pc

this is this pc

[gleaming shell]

yes

[upbeat shuttle]

no forking way

clicked login on salad

it opened internet explorer

INTERNET EXPLORER

[misty furnace]

🔥

[upbeat shuttle]

yeah you see the reason why salad needs to do this is uhhh it needs to because uhhhhh

yeah

[gleaming shell]

this reminds me of that one update salad released in the beta channel a while back that had like 30 instances of salad bootstrapper and kept looping libresheit

[upbeat shuttle]

ahahhahah

[upbeat shuttle]

i would love to thank the genius that decided users should have to login in the browser instead of logging in through the app itself

think different.

think wrong.

please be patient

[gleaming shell]

earnapp does it aswell lol

except it has a chance of logging itself out at times

(which salad does too)

[upbeat shuttle]

😤

[gleaming shell]

no security panel yet somehow log themselves out

maybe thats their "security measure"

[upbeat shuttle]

bad actors can't act bad if nobody stays signed in for more than a couple days

[upbeat shuttle]

this dumbass app keeps trying to install wsl despite me clearly not wanting anything to do with that

i miss back when we had a button to disable containers

[gleaming shell]

had to do that with both my vms so salad wouldnt be degraded

atleast there isnt some giant virtual disk (the container vm in the vm) lying around, but wsl exists and that takes up the very limited virtual disk (the vm)

[civic tusk]

all fun and games until the bad actors take advantage of those two days and write down the email and password

(please do not make it less than two days salad)

[gleaming shell]

i find it so stupid that none of these passive income apps have any security panel at all, not even a button to "sign out of all other sessions"

someone logs in to your account, you get zero notification about it

and once your balance gets compromised and stolen, theres nothing that can be done because support 101% wont reimburse anything

[civic tusk]

it's especially funny since it means that if compromised anyone could just redeem rewards at any time from that account

and it loses salad money

[gleaming shell]

they tell you to "treat it like a bank account" but the balance in there isnt even yours, and once it gets compromised theres zero dispute systems or security measures

[civic tusk]

you'd expect that they would at least delete the funds if anything were to happen and refund all redeemed items

since they would want to save money that is

but honestly if salad wants to save money they really need to take a financial literacy course because so many of their actions speak otherwise

(looking at dead sgs gateways that haven't seen fiber optic)

[gleaming shell]

salads customer sector (saladcloud) has a password system
salad chef side on the other hand still relies on an emailed-code system

atleast its not as bad as before where it was just a 4 digit numerical code

greater than 1 in 10000 chance that you can just type in someones email, slap random codes and break in to their salad account

^also if i remember correctly, there was also no rate limits if you tried with multiple ips, but it might have been patched

[civic tusk]

💀

[gleaming shell]

i got like thousands of salad login attempt emails a while back

[civic tusk]

probably no additional verification if you use a vpn either

like no captchas

even roblox has better security than salad

that should tell you something

[gleaming shell]

whats stupid is that when you do get a email for a logon attempt, it gives you literally no information of use
all you get is the country name / region

doesnt show ip, device, etc

[civic tusk]

account security, that is

[civic tusk]

yeah no roblox is actually better than salad in terms of account security

this is actually bonkers

atleast if you get a logon from some other place in the state or world you'll get an email with ip and country

[gleaming shell]

cant treat these apps as a bank account when the only aspect thats even remotely related to it is that it holds balance (that isnt even yours until you redeem it)

[gleaming shell]

yeah it shows ip

and it has a dedicated security panel, that all apps should have

as much as I want to crap on roblox, it has an actual proper security panel

[upbeat shuttle]

they want us to treat it like a bank account, but they treat it like some throwaway account

[upbeat shuttle]

yeah mhm ooh yeah yup

[upbeat shuttle]

clicked "view guide" for an error and it only took me to support.salad.com

because yeah i sure know what i'm looking for

found the article and it just said to restart the pc

awesome

[frigid reef]

This seems to be a non bandwidth sharing issue, please take it to #community-support or even contact #official-support

[waxen pollen]

Not a happy Ozua

[safe loom]

and what

fight me

[gleaming shell]

average passive income app experience

[upbeat shuttle]

passive aggressive income

[gleaming shell]

counts towards daycare experience*

[gleaming shell]

"pawn'ers"
is that a slur

[civic tusk]

is US EB3 0.1.8 dead gateway? my sgs executable says its file location is in that folder, so not sure if i should just delete it if it's dead or what

[upbeat shuttle]

most US gateways are dead

[gleaming shell]

anything under EB is that stupid customer with it's stupid 4 dead gateways

Its a dead gateway like most in the us are, and unfortunately deleting it does nothing since salad would redownload it again

Hell blocking it in firewall doesn't help too, salad can't detect errors on non container workloads, even SGS

[civic tusk]

ok, because i removed all my folders for SGS and i got something in US z 0.1.8

[gleaming shell]

mobile data so bad it cant even ping again 💀

[granite steppe]

agh recently my laptop was lagging too much getting blue screen of death i thought smth is wrong with my cpu or gpu

but after i got to know that its a shi*ty windows update

thats been causing these problems

[upbeat shuttle]

:(

windows 10 gang

macroslop has until 2032 to release a good os, otherwise i wanna hop over to Linux

[harsh spade]

Just download 12 hours and nothing, what is problem?

[granite steppe]

any way to go back to windows 10 without any data loss

??

[upbeat shuttle]

go to Settings > Windows Update

if you're lucky, you might be within the week or so that they give you to roll back

if not, then you're gonna have to save your important data off your C drive > ideally remove any other drives from the PC > reinstall windows on the C drive

[fossil onyx]

Is the ndm librespeed result is important . Last one as a bad result and not reflecting my real connectivity speed

[gleaming shell]

DIE

[fossil onyx]

Damn , network setting changed and I lost my job

Was in high demand for bandwidth

[gleaming shell]

and this is exactly why you dont use ipissqualityscore as a service to determine ip quality

time to restart my phone for a new mobile ip because this stupid ipqs is detecting my mobile ip is a VPN woo

ironically the "resource sharing blocked" status on earnapp is the only one without some stupid bright gpu intensive animation

lmao the ipv4 on my mobile data is shown at 100 fraud score and the usual proxy detection but the ipv6 is perfectly clean?

amazing the stupid app wont connect again

[misty furnace]

ipv6 has a large enough address space that devices don't need to share an address.

mobile data is cgnat iirc

[upbeat shuttle]

imagine cgnat ipv6

[gleaming shell]

Unfortunately earnapp is ipv4 only so doesn't really matter 💀

though salad has a few v6 gateways

[gleaming shell]

mf texting me again 💀

holy almost every message is saying something along the lines of high data usage

[tidal bough]

is it just me or is the pay per gb different on each gateway

this is somehow 8 cents per gb

[fossil onyx]

Nice earning last 24hours . Hight uptime ?

[steady fjord]

they heck bro I get 0.3 cents per gb (roughly 333gb = 1$)

my pc is literally 24/7 on for like 2 months

[civic tusk]

you guys get cents per gb?