Bandwidth Sharing FAQs + Troubleshooting

[safe loom]

for me its NBN (national broadband network) who own the modem

or don't buy it at all

[waxen pollen]

thats so anti-consumer

[safe loom]

the ISP is for techeads

[upbeat shuttle]

pf/opnsense 💪

[visual grail]

I'd choose the Chinese spyware as compared to what the hell is going on in the USA 😭

[safe loom]

not at all, if you're not using select modems they recommend and can sell to you that you provide remote access to, they can't provide support

like they can provide support to the modem

but you can also do that yourself in the dashboard

[visual grail]

They don't put a CGNAT over there right?

Just asking

[upbeat shuttle]

i will never forget being on a call with my ISP's support and they told me they were unable to remotely log into my router and i was like "oh yeah I've got a pfsense router" and they were like ah

[safe loom]

we do

this ISP does

[visual grail]

💀 How do you guys port forward

[safe loom]

my old one (who sucks ass yet are #1 in aus) don't

i pay 10 extra for a static ip

[visual grail]

You had to ask them for a static ip, hmm

Mine one said

[safe loom]

their "plus" plans include a static ip but they use different fibre connections and i don't mind paying the 10

[visual grail]

"Dude no we don't put anything!"

[waxen pollen]

wait, you said they don't provide the router right? To me thats anti-consumer. Here in the UK, they send you their router. We are not exspected to buy it. They loan it within your contract

[upbeat shuttle]

my isp gave me a static IP for free

[visual grail]

And boop I can't port forward now

[safe loom]

yeah no that is anti consumer

thats what my last isp did

and it fucked me

[visual grail]

Same here

[waxen pollen]

yeah thats crazy wrong

[safe loom]

horrible internet quality due to the ISP's shit modem i had to use

[visual grail]

But I decided to replace their router with mine

They had put a 100/100mbps router

Max

And when I asked for 1gbps, they said yeah nah we will have to "check"

And they never got back to me

[waxen pollen]

which you should also have a right to do. Yeah you may not get the full support due to it. But you should as far as they can rely on the info they have to the router they (Should) provide

[safe loom]

this isp will recommend you routers to buy, which you get a discount on, but they also will tell you the requirements to buy your own, its just the ones they recommend are the only ones their support is trained to troubleshoot + have remote access abilities

just depends how isolated and private you want your network to be

[upbeat shuttle]

fair enough

[safe loom]

i bought a mercusys router

cause ram shortage spiked tp-link prices

but their mercusys routers are still decent prices

[waxen pollen]

🙄

[safe loom]

still runs open-wrt so i don't mind

[upbeat shuttle]

my isp-loaned router is 10gig and I think wifi 6e or 7, but they can remotely access it so I don't use it 😞

[visual grail]

Yep they covered it in my contract, they said alright fine, we'll provide assistance for that router as well, first they said, no it "Violates our TOS", I argued that using your piece of tech made mine home network slower and I couldn't fair enough trust what they provided me

But they ruined me with a CGNAT

[safe loom]

mines wifi 7, runs open-wrt, fully configurable by me, no ISP remote

[visual grail]

I can't port forward till I'm here

[visual grail]

Same

[safe loom]

legit the only issue they have at my ISP for buying a router is that it's ethernet capabilities exceed your plan speed

which mines 2.5gbps wan and lan

[waxen pollen]

Same, the sky 5gig router can handle 10gig and is wifi7 capable. Though it also disconnect regularly too for a short time.

It's not as bad as it was, happening daily for hrs. But is still doing it every few days and my salad earnings take a dump

[safe loom]

which is fine

[visual grail]

I invested like 50$ for the 1gbps router and fair enough works way better than their "100$ router which had 100/100 ups and downs"

[safe loom]

our NBN cap is still 2000/500 for personal networks

i need to buy a new keyboard

[visual grail]

Steel series ma goat

[safe loom]

doing tickets has broken my piece of shit logitech metal board

[safe loom]

poo

[visual grail]

💀 Uh whar

[safe loom]

300 dollars for some branded mid

[visual grail]

😭 i felt it was premium

[safe loom]

120 dollars for a tmr keyboard without some spyware driver software

[upbeat shuttle]

I've got two Ubiquti U6 Pro's and they've been pretty rock solid for me :)

[safe loom]

was gonna get ubiquiti waps

but

im moving out soon

so

[waxen pollen]

I'm thinking about getting a third party router. Maybe an asus, as they are meant to work with skys network.

[safe loom]

didn't want to do anything over the top at my parents home

plus with having open-wrt on the router i can remote in and troubleshoot without coming over

asus routers are great

[waxen pollen]

something about working with max q. Though i maybe remembering wrong

[upbeat shuttle]

I'd personally never go with anything that isn't running PfSense or OPNSense because eventually everything else will lose software support eventually :(

[safe loom]

asus tp-link and ubiquiti are fantastic brands

[waxen pollen]

your not wrong

[safe loom]

namely because flash software supports most of their products

[upbeat shuttle]

wasn't there being some recent-ish major issue with Asus routers?

[safe loom]

dunno

still good hardware

[upbeat shuttle]

I don't doubt the hardware, but software support often dies long before the hardware becomes outdated

[waxen pollen]

I need something thats can do 5gig, pref 10 (As that will be an option in the UK soon enough) that i can track all traffic in a user friendly dashboard that displays a lot of useful info. I hate that windows task manager is a pile of doo doo

[upbeat shuttle]

there's definitely a bit of a learning curve to pf/opnsense, but i think most people could manage it if they were following a video guide tbh

[waxen pollen]

I'm using Proxmox to keep tabs on my VM network rn. But i don't know how reliable it is. As HyperV was a pile a doo doo too.

was getting good traffic till my sky went out for a short time for what ever reason.

Had, had stable internet the last few days, but before that it was disconnecting almost daily.

They replaced the fibre line as it had too many 90degree turns in it and 2 splits in the line. But i've still had a bunch of disconnects since. Don't feel like i can trush the router, never had more than 2.3gigs after the router on a single active device either. Think i really do need to get my own router

[upbeat shuttle]

just curious, did you use a LTSC / IoT LTSC version of windows for your VMs?

[waxen pollen]

LTSC / IoT LTSC version, i don't know what those are. I'm quite the bambi with proxmox

[upbeat shuttle]

you made windows vms in proxmox, right?

oop gotta brb

[waxen pollen]

ohh i'm using a stripped down custom ISO

uses 2gigs of ram, was using a 4gig one before that.

[waxen pollen]

Yeah, now just need a linux salad app 😄

Cursed recommended using Proxmox

[safe loom]

ozua means the native microsoft debloated windows long term service editions

so that you have natively supported windows 10 already debloated until like 2032

[waxen pollen]

unsure 😅

[safe loom]

if you used a custom iso then question answered

[waxen pollen]

ohh right, yep it's a custom bluecore_11 ISO

i'm using a stripped down, debloated version that is still meant to get full updates

[safe loom]

just remembered i was gonna show the dashboard for my modem but like on my ISPs site

outages will show local nodes that are reporting issues

services tests include resets, restarts, internal ping checks etc

kick session will like just reset the modem

[waxen pollen]

mine (Sky) prevents you from making changes to it. Like renaming deives, editing stuff. Actually annoys me as with virgin, i had access to all that

[safe loom]

wow

so they both suck

one much worse than the other

but

with iiNet i had none of this control cause i was on HFC

if i had internet issues

which was like the whole week before i swapped ISPs

tighten the coax on the modem, restart the modem or call tech support

thats it

leaptel will give me all support for their end up to the modem

and limited support information for my router

like the connection conditions

[waxen pollen]

Skys speed guarantees are only from their sky app, which tracks to the router only.

Not a single device connected via ethernet

which i've only ever got as high as 2.3g on a min 2.5g contract (Up to 5g)

but when testing from their app, it said upwards of 5.3g

thats with wifi turned off and all vms/other devices shut down and only a single device connected via ethernet.

but before when i had their 900up/down pack, i got upwards of that 900 most of the time. Which i don't get

[safe loom]

not able to find a screenshot of my iinet router stuff but trust me, my new router having this feature alone is leagues ahead of what the iinet router could imagine

[visual snow]

pn

[waxen pollen]

Ohh hello, i want something like that. Something that can track every device and display it's speeds and pref collectively too.

[safe loom]

open-wrt

❤️

are you isp bound to your router?

do they allow bridging on the provided one or do they allow your own at all?

[waxen pollen]

nope. We can set them into modem mode.

[safe loom]

not bad

mine could too but it still sucked

like it didn't matter if i did bridge mode if it still sucked

[waxen pollen]

yeah i'm a little worried that even if i get my own router, that my speeds will still never show their max, i feel like skys 5gig router isn't pumping the full speeds after the router. To it they say it does.

[safe loom]

talking to iinet's support when cancelling our sub (both isps dont do lock in contracts) they asked "why the router doesn't meet network demands" i told them there were 6 simaltaneous users and 50 devices and all i heard was "yeah the modem isn't designed for that"

[waxen pollen]

Hmmm, id need to get some that can do upwards of 150 devices. Or more if i wanna double the rig/vms i run.

hadn't thought about that

[safe loom]

most wifi 6e/7 routers would be more than capable

but also

nothing stopping you from going rack router

[waxen pollen]

"is noted to handle up to 120 devices simultaneously" Hmmmm

[safe loom]

rack mounted router + switch + waps for wifi, overkill network but performs wonderfully

[waxen pollen]

says an AI response

[safe loom]

in fairness

you can always keep connecting devices

[waxen pollen]

Would a router in modem mode still be limited?

[safe loom]

but you'll need to calculate real world simaltaneous usage

[safe loom]

depends on how it's modem mode works

[waxen pollen]

hmmm

[upbeat shuttle]

rack sized would be pretty excessive, a mini pc / itx pc with a NIC would be smaller and do just as well

[safe loom]

true

only need 2 rj45s

[upbeat shuttle]

gotta consider most housing in the UK is tiny compared to australia

[safe loom]

then a switch

australia housing is also fairly cramped here

but

not as bad as most of england

so fair nuff

[waxen pollen]

ha yeah UK housing is cramped

[safe loom]

those 2 story cramped houses look mad

even our houses similar to those are like 3 full size bedroom units 😭

though more land here so

not actually many apartment complexes in my city

mostly small sized units

[waxen pollen]

why anyways?

[waxen pollen]

What was you wondering about?

[upbeat shuttle]

I'm just playing around with Windows 10 IoT LTSC, is all

[waxen pollen]

ahh fair.

[upbeat shuttle]

I'm looking to daily drive it on my main PC after testing that it works with everything I'd need it to

security updates until 2032, no ai bullshit, i love the sound of it

[waxen pollen]

IK i'll struggle, (Because linux confuses the heck outta me) but i hope salads linux version comes out next year. Te pure possibilities for the AM5 256GBs rig i have would have would be enormous.

[upbeat shuttle]

in the future I'd love to daily drive Linux

but fortnite doesn't support linux yet, and I play that with the lads :(

[waxen pollen]

I'm hopeful for steam OS, so long as it can run just like windows in regards to app and not the command based program linux is now. then id defo be moving to it.

[safe loom]

actual chud

[waxen pollen]

I'm like a old person learning windows that has a bad memory, but for linux. 😅

[upbeat shuttle]

it's different it's with the lads

[waxen pollen]

that and needing to fix fixes for fixes for stupid fixes that turn out to not work anyways. Because documentation is a joke in linux

Or caviate, was a few years ago when i last tried moving to linux.

[safe loom]

build or no build

[safe loom]

if you want gui based distros theres plenty of good popular choices

[waxen pollen]

yeah i got told proto, i think it was called

[safe loom]

or you could lock in and have a migraine for 3 days as you compile KDE into a distro you like 😭

[waxen pollen]

Is business type broadband ok with salad?

[mighty fractal]

does it have a datacenter ip?

[serene falcon]

The gateway limit is linked with my account or ip

Because I got second connection diff isp can I use it on same account.

[upbeat shuttle]

no build

[upbeat shuttle]

Yeah I'm pretty sure

[serene falcon]

We have 2 gateways in india

I can get 2 on each isp?

On same account

[safe loom]

yes

[safe loom]

i don't believe so

[serene falcon]

Ok then earming gonna boom, money money🤑🤑

[safe loom]

afaik only residential reporting connections will be able to run bandwidth sharing

[misty furnace]

potentially, though other users have had issues in the past with that

fully allowed, just might not work

[waxen pollen]

dang. ok

[sturdy fulcrum]

💀

[pulsar arrow]

70p for ~188gigs

neveremind anohter 6 gigs of a 3rd sgs instance

[gleaming shell]

used almost 800gb of mobile data this month (since last renewal)

and probably the fourth consecutive month ive passed the 50gb "throttling in congested areas" speed

wonder if tmobile will send me a warning

either way its unlimited data, they have no reason to be sending me warnings for using however much data I want

[narrow tiger]

👋

[safe loom]

i checked with jared about the accounts question

per ToS - one account is all that is allowed.

[robust creek]

I wonder why

You don't multiply earnings with different accounts anyways

No referral bonus abusable

This rule makes no sense

[waxen pollen]

That's not fair. I was given permission. He said he would check with the team.

What are the reasons to not allow this. Your the ones that have a limit on how many devices can be added to an account.
This after me asking if proxies and vms are allowed and told yes. How do you expsect us to do that if (Least in the UK) BW devices are limit to 5, (1 per gateway) Thtat cap should be removed.

Id very much prefer to have them all on a single account, but to to either a bug or a limit YOU placed on the accounts. I cannot add 52devices on a single account. As only 5 well ever get SGS at any one time.

This is not fair.

What reasons are there to limit BW devices to one per gateway a region has to one account???? Or if it is an actual bug that just has low priority to be fixed rn, why will you not allow us to setup multiple devices over multiple accounts when we have the capacity to provide Salad more supply. Which makes you more money, does it not????

@hollow whale @verbal belfry @lone solstice

[robust creek]

if that rule is set in place, the only reason cold be that earnings are being limited in a certain amount per user, which i extremely doubt this is the case

[waxen pollen]

I made sure this was allowed before i started adding more BW devices. This is BS

Now you tell me i can't, because BW devices are limited per account or limited to the amount of gateways a region has.

Or a bug, no ones actually told me what the reason actually is

I have 60VMS running BW over 15 accounts. Because i can't add more than 5 on a single account. I asked if i could add more supply and was told yes. Now your pulling the rug from underneath me.

I went out and brought an AM5 PC (Costing me £2000) to expand because i was told i was allowed to.

and pay for 5Gig internet costing £72 a month for this

Gawd your Earnapp all over again

Mind you they were far worse, Saying in their TOS VMS and Proxies were allowed, then going to war with those that had many devices and then shadow changing their TOS and banning all our proxies.

I asked you if what i had planned to do was allowed and was told yes.

you asked many questions about it

[safe loom]

I can't answer for the technical stuff i'll leave it to the others to respond but an abundance of machines also doesn't seem reasonable, if they're using the same internet connection you'll tap out the bandwidth on your network effectively limiting each machine for earnings on SGS already

if you're attempting to run 52 instances on a 5gbps connection i can't imagine the eligibility requirements will be very good if running simaltaneously

[waxen pollen]

I asked and made you aware of what i wanted to do, before doing it. 60 is far less than the 16k proxies i was using with EarnApp and i readily told you where i could get them from.

and thats why i pay for 5gig internet

[safe loom]

i personally was never asked, until yesterday or recently when i said i'll double check, you'll have to wait for a response from the others

[waxen pollen]

4 devices per IP, as the UK has 5 gateways. I'm not spamming your network with the same IP

[safe loom]

its not the network our side that would be the issue, it would be yours, theres only so much bandwidth to a connection

[waxen pollen]

and thats why i have 5gig. I'm not even using a 10th of that regularly

[steady fjord]

Can anyone help me with this. I was getting a solid $2 a day but then all of a sudden sgs-client.exe stopped launching. It sometimes didn't launch but restarting salad would fix it. I have restarted salad, restarted pc, re installed salad. After reinstalling, I dont see sgs-client.exe in ...wokloads/_downloads. I have re installed it 3 times since then. I have even ran salad for 6 hours straight, hoping that it will download sgs-client.exe. How can I fix this,

[waxen pollen]

That's a weeks view. Ignore the huge spike as those were speed tests/litespeed tests when i started up all my devices after an outage.

You can't give someone permission and then pull the rug from underneath them after. When their not even doing the amounts of devices they said they had done previously on another platform

[safe loom]

i suggest you wait for a response from the others

[steady fjord]

<@&1359235311858745535>

[safe loom]

contact #official-support, it could also happen to be lower demand in your region compared to previously though that may be unlikely with those earnings previously

[steady fjord]

I will contact the official support

[waxen pollen]

Sorry, mostly venting rn.

I will add that i do not even plan on doing the amount of devices i did on another platform. Mostly due to there not being a need to. As bw pay is good for me. Unlike earnapp. At most a few 100, if it even ever got to that amount.

[steady fjord]

Is there no live chat support?

[upbeat shuttle]

I've never said that having more than one Salad account is allowed, and I don't recall anyone else here saying this either. We did not know you were going to be making many Salad accounts to do this. We also did not know that you really were actually going to be going through with it - I, at the very least, had assumed you were looking into this out of curiosity and would stop once you realised the cost of something that could disappear at any moment - TOS breakage or not, Bandwidth Sharing has never been a guaranteed thing to get or earn much from at times.

Jared was mistaken in telling you that multiple Salad accounts were allowed. While that was absolutely his bad for misremembering this information, it's also somewhat your bad for not double checking with other people in the server, or doing a Ctrl + F in the Discord or https://salad.com/terms/chefs for 'account'. I would not make a £2k purchase without being absolutely sure that what I was doing was allowed, sustainable, and also without having a fallback plan for if my initial plans were to fall through immediately. I'm not placing the blame entirely on you, but a good amount of it is on you.

As for why this limitation exists, I think it might be due to this on the sgs website:

[safe loom]

live chat is only available when a support agent is active in US time (which is quite unlikely most of the time)

[waxen pollen]

Jarrot was the one that gave me permission to setup more than 1 account.

He also knew i had aded about adding many devices as i knew where i could access 1000s of residental proxies. So clearly i would have had to created multiple accounts if we are being limited for what ever reason. Which makes no sense.

If it's a limit that ahs been set, then why??
Containers are limited to 100 per account. So why are BW devices limited to 1 per gateway??
How does that make business/user sense if you have a perspective business/user user that is offering to add 1000s of BW devices?? And asked for permission to do that very thing.

You didn't know, i asked for permission after enquiring if adding 100s/1000s of proxies was ok

Yes it could go at any time, but thats my risk to take after making sure it was ok to do.

A prospective customer asked for permission to add my supply, customer goes ahead with it after being given the go ahead. You then tell customer, hey that's not allowed. Because TOS, EVEN THOUGH they made sure it was ok to do before doing it.
But no, because i'm not an actual business with clout as it were. It's nope not allowed. How dare you add the very supply you asked for permission before doing it.

Jarrot is one of the head emploryers. It's not on me to go around asking every staff member if it's ok. As a prospective customer, it was on him to make sure it was allowed. And then it was on you to make sure it was possible in a single account.

You wouldn't treat a big GPU data centre like this. Youd bend over backwards like you have been to accommodate them. As it means more profits for you.

then set our limit to 1 device per IP if that's the case. Not account limit for the amount of gateways a region has. Or and this is a wild take. Maybe setup your backend to only ever give a customer 1 ip if someone has 5 devices with the same IP because a region has 5 gateways.

And it also wouldn't be fair to not allow 1 device per gateway as some places have 10s of gateways and if you limit it to 1 per IP, it may mean we chefs may never get a gateway that has traffic.

[upbeat shuttle]

Jared's mistaken message is not a get-out-of-TOS free card.
Who said containers are limited to 100 per account? That's news to me, I thought there was no limit.

oops meant to press shift enter

I just read through the rest, I pretty much answered the rest of the post with the first line

[waxen pollen]

A prospective customer came to one of your head staff and asked if they could add supply.
They were told added 100s or 1000s of proxies was allowed.
They then asked due to the account BW limit if it was ok to setup more than 1 account to accomidate those proxies.

It's on your staff to make sure it's allowed before giving permission.

The heck man. How does what your saying make any sense

Ohh my bad, i should have asked every staff member the same questions just to make sure that it was actually allowed.

Also like some of your other customers don't have special acceptions that go against your TOS.

[upbeat shuttle]

If you want to think of it that way, the prospective customer would also be expected to read the Terms of Service to the service they are using.

[safe loom]

ozua does not work for Salad, they are a volunteer for help in managing the Discord and with surface level support issues and moderation, I understand your frustration but I really do ask you for your patience while we wait for a response from another person who does work here at salad who could give you a detailed rundown

[waxen pollen]

#1021501189977813002 message

[upbeat shuttle]

What customers, and what terms have they broken?

[waxen pollen]

I never said they had broken the TOS, i said they they also likely have some exemption that they agreed upon before adding supply/demand due to limitations or the like. Or price agreements from what is stated on the website.

Like me, i asked before adding. Setting up more accounts due to silly limitations that seem to have no actual reason for being in-place, or because you haven't setup your system in a way that makes them no longer valid reasons to set those limits. IE as you stated, no customer will have the same IP twice. That should be easily to remedy to not have those limits. But as you've (Salad) has stated before, SGS is no longer being developed. Because it's "clearly" not needing anything doing to it.

I did my due diligence by asking a head staff member/employee before proceeding. One that has said they would ask about it before giving an answer/go ahead before

[robust creek]

Will they even take any action? I remember a friend had 6 accounts, 1 ip each and nothing happened. Cashout to same paypal too

(this information is 2 years old, he was running in 2023)

[upbeat shuttle]

"Also like some of your other customers done have special acceptions that go against your TOS." is what you said. If you are just speculating upon it with no actual knowledge of whether it is true or not, you should not state it like it is a fact.

If customers are sold on the promise that SGS tunnels are never shared with more than one customer at a time., then Salad should uphold that promise.. which, side note, actually I'm not sure if they're even doing now. Shouldn't this mean that us users shouldn't be able to connect to more than one gateway per account or IP..? bit odd

Having multiple accounts massively bypasses the intended default behaviour of Salad having only one connection per gateway per user. SGS customers are sold on the expectation that each node they connect to is a different user. While using residential proxies somewhat "fixes" this, it does not change the fact that it is massively centralising nodes that they expected to be __de__centralised.
Take this graph as an example of customers' nodes allocated. It's of container node allocation, but I'm quite sure it works in a similar way to SGS node allocation. See in the original blue line that individual nodes dropping out has a very small affect on the total number of nodes the customer is running, having an almost insignificant affect on the overall deployment's health.

Now see the red line I drew to illustrate if a lot of the customer's nodes were actually running on a single PC - Your PC - With zero (or very few) redundancies; internet, power, pc components. If that one PC were to go offline at any point - as you've shown it has already due to an internet outage - the customer's allocated node count will plummet as shown. This is an absolutely terrible situation for a customer to be in, where if they were actually relying on Salad as a critical service for their needs (which is what Salad is trying to be), the customer would have either a service outage or significant slowdowns while the jobs are being reallocated to other nodes.
Unhappy customers equals either even further price cuts (thus earnings cuts) by Salad to compensate for customers having to run even more nodes to compensate for the issues they're facing, or the customers just leave in favour of the ever-encheapening and far more reliable alternative services out there.

[waxen pollen]

Ok those are some fair points.

You could have then worked with me (You as in Salad) to mitigate any of those issues. Either through me having a backup internet line that will connect when my internet goes down and or by setting up SGS more efficiently and fix issues with SGS and or bring in new features that make SGS run/work better.

You'd need to provide a more accurate real world graph for SGS uptake time when the system starts up and retake/reallocation of devices when a large node disconnects to be a fair comparison/argument. SGS i would have thought would work differently as it's not waiting for an actual GPU to kick in. Though as you said, it could also be the same as a GPU and a networking card. But from what i understand, a GPU takes a while to ramp up and provide info, as a networking card is just passing the data right through. So may actually be far less of a hit to your network.

I had planned on adding is 120 nodes with a max of double that, as pay is sufficient for me to make a living off of and i'm not trying to be greedy here.

I could also setup other nodes in different locations. To diversify what i'm providing to your (Salads) network. I asked for permission and got said permission to do what i said i could bring to Salad. I went to the highest level person IK of to get said permission.

I am able to provide 100s of nodes (1000s is even possible as i have the knowhow and time) to Salads network, with exactly what salad requires. High speed low latency BW devices where i see little reason to prevent that. So longs as they stay as a benefit to Salad. Salad should work with me to accommodate that and make it easier, just like they would do with other businesses. Like salad has been doing with their container side customers.

I've never heard anyone in Salad say this is only ever mean to be pocket change for us chefs and that we had the possibility to setup our own businesses if we provide what Salad is looking for. Unlike EarnApp who publicly state that all the dang time when i used them before.

As i've already said, Salad could make changes to their system to only allow 1 unique IP to be connected to a single customer at a time (I don't see how that would be that difficult to implement)
If that is why we are limited to 1 device per each regions gateways.
Though i don't see why that couldn't be increased to 2/3 as SGS is only meant to be used for streaming services. Unless that is actually a big thing for those streaming services. Seems unlikely to me, but what do i know. Though fair enough, i could be wrong.

[frigid reef]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gif-7938150689684025197

[hollow whale]

hey Mac, let me take this to Eric and see what he says.

It might be that we could make a private version of SGS for "power users" like yourself - there are fraud/bad actor issues with allowing more than 1 unique IP (from what I've been told) so it can't be a 100% open feature, as of now

Some customers might be fine entering into a different contract where it's not just 1 unique IP address, if they know the service is legitimate. We'll see. No promises of course - but let me talk to Eric, and I might get him and you into a group chat to discuss more further

[waxen pollen]

Cool beans and thanks

[robust creek]

Eric or erica?

I heard bad stuff about erica from a friend who reported a problem to them and erica tricked them instead of giving a reward in exchange

[hollow whale]

really? Could you share the details with me

I will look into this

[robust creek]

will write in dms

[narrow tiger]

😭

most yap ive seen in discord as far as i can remeber holy

[robust creek]

earnings has decreased a lot recently for me

[heavy gate]

For me it grew

[robust creek]

here they died, 0,40 last 24 hours

[heavy gate]

40 cents in 24 hours is good no?

Or am I that outside your range that it just seem big for me

[gleaming shell]

I have a feeling my salad account is blacklisted or something

Ik my ISP is complete balls but I've gotten absolutely zero luck on mobile data as well (which I get a new IP so often with)

either way it's been absolutely nothing since the day I switched to this balls isp

[robust creek]

I was earning 2-5$ a day

[heavy gate]

Oh then yeah that is low

[storm sun]

(I assume your in the us)

I have been using 3 isps with 1gig symmetrical 2gig symmetrical fiber and 500mbps symmetrical and no bw in the us for 5-6 months

I go to Germany for a week and get $1+ a day on 50mbps dsl

[gleaming shell]

lol

[gleaming shell]

i forgot, were you getting no jobs? or is it a case where sgs-client doesnt even start at all?

either way, the US has a very bad case of abundance of dead jobless gateways and has been like this for over half a year now

[storm sun]

No I believe it does start sometimes but pays like a cent for an hour and dies

[gleaming shell]

but in my case i cant even get sgs to start up due to how god awful my ip is

either way bandwidth sharing in the us hasnt been known to be the best lol

[storm sun]

Yeah still find it crazy that I get more in a day then I do in 6 months 😭
-# on 50mbps

[gleaming shell]

salad and honeygain are the only apps that provide content delivery services
honeygain only pays a static 14 cents per day and due to my inferior ip im only getting like 2 cents per day from that
and salad either will have a dead jobless gateway without static pay or in my case with my such horrible ip it wont even start 😭

[gleaming shell]

i have 1gbps lol and absolutely nothing

[storm sun]

Yeah that is tragic

[gleaming shell]

ive gotten more luck from getting sgs in germany with a vpn (though it died for obvious reasons)

[storm sun]

I tried honeygain and I waited like 5 days for cd and then the laptop started lagging so much

Had to reboot

So much for passive earning

[gleaming shell]

LITERALLY

omg

[storm sun]

(Not even a bad laptop 64gb ram and 3060)

[gleaming shell]

these"passive" income apps cant last any more than 24 hours without one of them killing themselves when youre away

salad, earnapp, honeygain, pawns

[storm sun]

Just somehow it take down my entire pc

[gleaming shell]

they all cannot go unattended 24/7

[storm sun]

I had to restart my laptop every day

Cause something went wrong

[gleaming shell]

something always goes wrong when youre running these apps

[storm sun]

Yeah

[gleaming shell]

salad cant detect non-container workload errors, no auto retry on errors, chop indefinitely, cant handle an even moderately high cpu usage

honeygain sometimes just stops working and you have to end task killing content delivery

pawns.app expires your session and loge you out silently for no reason

earnapp kills itself over a slight disconncetion and doesnt even bother reconnecting and you have to fight the app like 29 times for it to finally reconnect

its a daycare

[storm sun]

How terrible bro 😭

[gleaming shell]

but hey its "passive" income

[gleaming shell]

same apps that advise the user to run the app as long as possible for maximized profits btw 😭

[storm sun]

Well I’m lucky enough to get gpu containers on my laptop so I only deal with honey gain

Self sabotage moment

[gleaming shell]

it would be resonable for me to quit salad and pawns at the moment, but since im already keeping my computer on running the other 2 apps its nothing to lose to just run salad aswell

[storm sun]

Your abusing the poor ip

[gleaming shell]

the truth is I actually have nothing more to lose

every single IP in my ip range is completely garbage and screwed over
ever since i got this new isp, ive gone thorugh 7 different IPs and all of them are just completely terrible, 100 fraud score, bot activity, and proxy accoridng to the stupid ipqs site

so yeah i just run all these apps lol

cant screw over an ip further when its already as bad as it can be

[storm sun]

Oh dang

In my old apartment we where locked into only one isp that charged $135 for gbit

Xfinity!!

[gleaming shell]

im gonna be honest this ISP sucks balls, along with every other isp in my area

its a decision between old cable technology, horrendous prices, or horrendous ips

[storm sun]

50mbps dsl earning more 💀

[gleaming shell]

no literally lmao

[storm sun]

It used to be 10mbps but

[gleaming shell]

salad will prefer a 25mbps connection with a good ip over a 1gbps connection with a bad ip, coming from experience

[storm sun]

My grandmas was convinced she doesn’t need more

Salad doesn’t like my xfinity, zippy fiber or AT&T (and 1.5gbit T-Mobile mobile data)

But loves my random Europe isp

Might be interesting to route my traffic through my grandmas house

And see if I get bw in the us

Wait that’s kinda pointless

[gleaming shell]

i loved my old ISP and if i could still keep using it I sure as hell would

it was a small ISP, they provided amazing customer support, they overprovisioned (500mbps plan gave me 512mbps, sometimes even 530mbps)

Salad absolutely loved the isp aswell, first day with this ISP and that was the first time i ever got sgs client on 2 devices in the same IP, and sgs client would start before libresheit even finished the speedtest

but it was until recently they increased the prices to an absurd 135 dollars per month, so i had to get a new ISP

[storm sun]

135?? Dang

For 500mbps??

[gleaming shell]

and now im stuck with this terrible one that cant even give me a half-decent IP, 1gbps speeds are more of just 940mbps, cant get sgs, honeygain content delivery super weak, and they charge 10 dollars a month for a static ip

[gleaming shell]

it was 80 dollars

[storm sun]

Who are they trying to sell to

[gleaming shell]

no clue lmao

internet is expensive here

[storm sun]

That’s my 2gbit plan with zipply here lmao

[gleaming shell]

my old isp that didnt evne have fiber technology charged 90 a month for 120mbps down and 16mbps up

internet here is so balls

[storm sun]

What a robbery bro 😭

[gleaming shell]

ong

im currently on the chepest isp available in my area but the experience is terrible

[storm sun]

I remember with xfinity we could go from 135 to 145 a month for 2000gbit/30

30?????

I was just dumbfounded on what they where thinking with that being the highest plan

[gleaming shell]

my isp offers 2gbps plans for 80 a month but i didnt need the full 2gbps and all i have is gigabit ethernet anyways

or was it 90 a month i forgot

but either way my current internet plan is 70 a month for "1gbps" (more like 940mbps)

[storm sun]

dang

Welp gtg sleep nice talk

[fossil onyx]

Same here . It was 1.5$ a day avg. now it’s 0.10$ . Should I do something ?

[fossil onyx]

Is it ok now for you?

[robust creek]

Still bad earnings

[civic fern]

1.30$ daily here

e

@robust creek unrelated, but what is that pfp? it feels eerily familiar

[robust creek]

https://youtu.be/kbNdx0yqbZE?si=y1OWgqV5VqV4uO5d

[civic fern]

ok nvm

[livid elm]

so if we have only one gateway in PL then it means only one sgs-machine working at a time?

[misty furnace]

yep

[civic tusk]

some games don’t support that version of LTSC. Not sure if the latest on of 10 IoT LTSC running is 21H2 or 22H2 but it isn’t up to date like 11 IoT LTSC

[upbeat shuttle]

😔

[civic tusk]

also I have 11 IoT LTSC and I don’t see much AI bs other than copilot

[upbeat shuttle]

it sucks that the latest W10 IoT LTSC is 21H2, not 22H2 :(

[tame matrix]

just got unlimited internet so now im trying bandwidth sharing, speed is 800mb down but when the ndm test runs, the speed goes up to 800mbps and then goes down to 400mbps

and the final result is 400mbps which is half of the actual speed??

[misty furnace]

that's pretty normal for ndm. it's almost never your full speed. I sometimes had results as low as 80mbps for a gigabit connection

[tame matrix]

oh ok, since I live in the US when do you think it will start earning?

[misty furnace]

it's a black box... literally no clue

[tame matrix]

uh what do others say

like a week?

or a day?

or in my experience with containers... never?

[livid elm]

in PL it is mostly Netflix

[winter latch]

its using a bit too much

shit gave 5 bucks for 1.5tb

[upbeat shuttle]

the pay per gb is really low, but at least it "makes up for it" by using a lot more bandwidth than other bw sharing apps

[robust creek]

Traffic got a little better here but not amazingly, at least 0,80$ a day

[civic fern]

a

[swift trellis]

Hey I’m also uk, question, do you get rewarded per device on the same ip? Or better over multiple ip ?

[gleaming shell]

I'd let these apps use a good 2tb of my bandwidth for just 30 cents, that's how desperate I am to get something with this garbage ISP and IP 😭

[winter latch]

💀

[gleaming shell]

I want to switch back to my old ISP so much man

This ISP is actually so balls

The only issue is pricing

Maybe I could reregister on my old ISP with another name so the price lock applies again

Not worth upgrading to "1gbps" when all I get is 940mbps and the worst ips known to man, 10 dollars per month for a static IP (which is cancerous to get because customer support for residential is balls)

^not to mention they spy on browsing data, cookies, etc for "analytics and marketing and fraud prevention"

My old ISP didn't do that

[winter latch]

do you have unlimited internet

cause my problem is limited data

[gleaming shell]

I do but

my old ISP has it aswell

[gleaming shell]

I don't see why ISPs put data caps 💀

[winter latch]

turns out i have unlimited internet but after 3.3tb the speed drops to 1mbps

so it becomes useless

[gleaming shell]

What even is the point anymore 💀

[robust creek]

Thats a scam wtf

[winter latch]

loophole

they can advertise it as unlimited

which they do

[robust creek]

Its like the fake unlimited phone data here, they say its unlimited but after using 500gb they either limit it or remove access

They say "unlimited but with FUP"

Fup= fair usage policy

[crude jewel]

countries this available in?

[winter latch]

they dont tell you about fup when buying the plan

[robust creek]

Luckily my home connection isp gives real unlimited, i have used 40tb in a month and nothing happened

[robust creek]

Change isp

[winter latch]

i got no other isp sadly

[crude jewel]

countries this available in?

[robust creek]

Change contract?

[winter latch]

there's one but it has same fup and less speed

[winter latch]

?

all the plans have fup limit

even the 1gbps plan

so its shit

average user dont even use 2% of it though

[crude jewel]

bruh anyone know what countries this available in?

[winter latch]

https://tenor.com/view/check-the-pins-kowalski-penguin-gif-20219688

[crude jewel]

list is 3 years old

[robust creek]

Bad

[winter latch]

its still same

+1 country perhaps

Poland

[storm sun]

just bandwith sharing in germany

crazy
-# i have gpu and cpu off

[robust creek]

Oh

I heard germany was the worst back then

[storm sun]

for me us has been the worst

6 months on 3isps with 3.5gb/s combined

and basically nothing

and i go to germany with a 50mbps dsl conection and im getting +1$ a day

[waxen pollen]

If people are not responding, maybe it's because they themselves do not know. This is community support. Not official support.

Anyways, this was asked in #community-support message earlier and responded too.

[gleaming shell]

From what I remember the us (maybe uk) and Germany were the first countries released for bandwidth sharing

the us is likely the worst at the moment tho, from experience

[robust creek]

i remember seeing people from germany earning 0,06 a day

in 2023

[gleaming shell]

us bandwidth peaked around December 2023

then it slowly started downfalling

And now we have like 10 dead gateways lol and no static pay for the past while

[robust creek]

Static pay was basically a way to say "hey i need you please stay connected, i dont use you now but i will one day or another but stay connected ok?"

[gleaming shell]

yeah they removed it a very long while back in the us lol

[robust creek]

They decreased it eveeywhere, in italy the last time i seen it was 0,16

[gleaming shell]

It used to be 12 cents in the us

They they got rid of it completely one day

[robust creek]

It started from 0,80 then 50 then 25 then 20 then 16

I wonder if static pay was a strategy to get more people sharing their ip

Who paid? A client or salad? Who knows

[gleaming shell]

From what I was told from a state of salad stream, it's the customers that provide the static pay (as of the moment)

[robust creek]

Hm ok

[gleaming shell]

wouldn't be too surprised if it was the case since salad probably isn't a too profitable company

[robust creek]

They are becoming

They increased payout fees and decreased reward per gb

[gleaming shell]

Oh yeah pay per GB has definitely decreased

PayPal fees are still a variable 10 percent :(

So no motive to buy even the higher payouts

no value for "economies of scale" or whatever you call it

[robust creek]

They implemented 1k$ payout 😅

[gleaming shell]

Yeah that one has like a super slightly less fee lol

[robust creek]

I dont wanna keep too much money on apps like this

[gleaming shell]

Same

[robust creek]

Until i dont see the money on my bank account i see them as just numbers in a dashboard that could disappear tomorrow without warnings

[gleaming shell]

Yep

[robust creek]

Or some glitch happens and i get banned for no reasons and lose them

[gleaming shell]

These apps can just falsely ban you any moment

Yep

Exactly why I only feel safe with money in my bank account and nowhere else

That said money isn't mine until it is in my bank

[robust creek]

Not even paypal is safe!!!

[gleaming shell]

yel

yep*

[robust creek]

I got successfully scammed 3 times because of paypal

[gleaming shell]

At one point I got very scared because there was an insurgence of people getting falsely banned on salad for "fraudulent email*

I don't feel safe having balance on ANY platform except for bank

[robust creek]

1 of the 3 the money was not lost just because i have took them out of paypal before the fucker did chargeback, i have ignored paypal harassing me saying i need to give the money back, i have ignored the phone calls, and then they stopped

[robust creek]

Apparently, for paypal, selling digital items is not being protected by their policies, so if someone buys a digital item with paypal and does chargeback, they will win, the shop will lose always

🖕

[gleaming shell]

moment

[robust creek]

This is also why some shops has removed paypal as payment option

For this

[gleaming shell]

this is why I don't like these services

Or really any large thing that stores any curency

They can just click the ban button without any reason and steal everything. You own nothing

[civic fern]

Wtf

[gleaming shell]

Yeah it wasn't a good practice of salad

No clue of they still.do it

[gleaming shell]

Basically users would be able to receive jobs on salad and earn perfectly fine, with zero indications that they're banned, and seemingly earn just fine.

But then comes the catch: when when they try to redeem anything it would automatically cancel and disappear from rewards vault. From here the user still doesn't know what happened, and likely suspected that it's just some error.

They then resort to contacting support, then that is when they get hit with the news that they are banned. The email will say something along the lines of "I checked your account and it seems like your email was tagged as "fraudulent", when we detect that an email is fraudulent, we suspend any purchases. Your account will be banned from cashing out salad balance. If you think this was done in error, your account might be compromised. [Then they list random steps to keep your account secure]. Have a wonderful day chef..."

and if you follow up on it to ask them to be unbanned they'll just give a final response of "this action cannot be appealed".

there's several instances of it on the salads trustpilot, and a few instances of it here on the discord.

But note that the last case of this was very long ago and I'm not sure how salad handles these now.

[gleaming shell]

Not sure if salad still has this system but I personally find/found this absurd of them to do.

It was nowhere mentioned in the TOS that bad emails aren't allowed on salad.
Even then, if the email was bad, the user shouldn't even be allowed to create a salad account. There's zero indications that they're banned so they're just burning electricity for balance that'll never be theirs.

They claimed they did this to "protect the salad network" and that they "can't put the salad network at risk". But that contradicts the fact that the user can still contribute to the salad network and get jobs just fine.

Either way once again, last case of this public was very very long ago, and maybe things have changed idk. So the application of these messages might be insignificant now

Either way its still just a good practice to cash out all your earnings from passive income apps, and just a motive that the safest place to store anything of value, is your bank account. Regardless of platform

[civic fern]

Yeah and, wtf, you don't let them earn and then say they can't redeem

That's actually horrible

Give it to me straight, doc.

[gleaming shell]

yeah there's no plaster on your screen saying you're banned, just a "can earn but can't redeem"

either way, things may have changed

[gleaming shell]

last instance someone couldn't redeem their balance they were still running a job, I told them to stop salad and wait for official response and explained to them this lol
Luckily, they got the good ending and they got things resolved

[narrow tiger]

you outed urself buddy

💝

[upbeat shuttle]

this awesome salad passive income app that is intended to be run while afk, passively, with no need for user input or babying, just signed itself out once again

[gleaming shell]

ironically this app still doesnt have a sign-in manager and an option to manually securly sign out of all other sessions

for it literally holding balance

[civic fern]

?

[civic tusk]

my god.

for reference I was using Salad in US the other day and bandwidth sharing got me probably 3 cents the entire day.

with everything else off except bw

[storm sun]

I am planning on leaving my laptop permanently in Germany

Last 3 days has been $1+

More then my 4070ti super and 3060

[civic tusk]

how would that work? like literally leaving it in germany or setting all location settings to germany?

[storm sun]

i am currently in germany

and i will leave my laptop here

[civic tusk]

ah

[storm sun]

with anydesk installed

[waxen pollen]

Anydesk may effect BW when you remote into it. Cursed recommends Chrome Remote Desktop.

I do too, It's far better and you can connect via a webpage

[misty furnace]

^ I recommend it, but that does not mean it cannot cause issues with Salad. If you have weird connection issues or containers crashing, it could be related to Chrome Remote

[waxen pollen]

Ohh, fair enough.

It at least doesn't effect BW for me, Using HyperV or Rustdeck used to kick my bw device off the job it was on.

[robust creek]

What do you mean anydesk makes salad crash? I use it on a daily basis from years

[misty furnace]

if it works for you then keep using it. some users have issues

[waxen pollen]

I said may. At least 2 different remote apps have done that to me in the past. Chrome Remote never did.
Though i'm now using Proxmox and using the console to remote in with no issue either.

[gleaming shell]

I personally use rustdesk, parsec, and sunshine/moonlight

idk if salad cries about high video usage

I don't use an Nvidia GPU so I can't tell

[robust creek]

Not only the traffic is dead but also this chat

[gleaming shell]

why is ip quality such a large factor of whether you get sgs or not

literally cant get sgs client on my 1gbps internet ever

and here i am at some relatives house with only 250mbps down and 60mbps up and i got sgs client instantly

and why is us bandwidth still so... bad 😭 all this and i still got galbraith 4

ohh got a maybe decent gateway (its jobless but maybe static pay)

running out of gateway names 💀

[robust creek]

US-GD-SS

[civic fern]

Kek

[gleaming shell]

united states - great depression - something something

[visual grail]

Best isp in United Kingdom?

Wanted to know your thoughts people

[frigid reef]

depends on multiple factors mainly area and who owns the lines etc

[upbeat shuttle]

it's impossible to say what's the "best" one

the smaller / newer ones are usually scrappier and usually offer better speeds and prices, but they're not available everywhere

[robust creek]

sadly fiber is passive so the more traffic people uses the less speeds you will get so yes the fact that the isp is newer, there are less customers so the cable is more available for you

[swift trellis]

i use virgin fibre for about 7 years, very good and low latency, but depends about your area

[visual grail]

Hmm hmm

If you guys were to suggest one, what would you suggest? Recommendations?

[robust creek]

Ask you neighborhood 😆 only way

It happened a lot of times that here in italy many people talks about "windtre" saying is the best mobile ISP they could find, but when i tried it, it was the worst! For example here vodafone is the best, with tim being second i the list, but in most italy the first in the list is windtre for some reasons.

[upbeat shuttle]

I'd recommend looking at an internet comparison website where you can put in your address and see the speeds and prices

that is if there's one in your country
that should narrow it down to a couple ISPs - then just search up "{isp} issues", look at their trustpilot, and then read their TOS / contract

[robust creek]

About fiber there are 2 fiber cables, one owned by the ISP i have and the other is owned by openfiber, the isp is have is good enough on speeds and latency, so i'm not changing for now

The only bad thing is static ip mandatory, no way to change.

[mighty fractal]

i mean if we search for {isp} issues then you might end up not getting an internet connection

as anywhere you look if you look hard enough you will find issues

[robust creek]

Haha yes, every italian isp is full of bad reviews online XD

[civic fern]

God

We don't talk about that

[robust creek]

go on trustpilot and search

[civic fern]

I'm aware buh

[mighty fractal]

i think its an universal experience

[mighty fractal]

i'm using openfiber rn and i have to say, its not bad at all, the only issue is that sometimes the entire network goes down for the entire city, and that's annoying

does your isp suffer from a similar issue?

[robust creek]

its very rare on my isp that internet sdoesnt work, but it happened that was not working for more than 8 hours

[mighty fractal]

oh then its just an italy problem

[robust creek]

idk

[naive lava]

how long, on average, does it take for indians to get a bw sharing job?

[steady fjord]

I have 2 machines running on two different router - 1 gbps connection and 40mbps connection, both symmetrical. On 1 gbps connection it takes usually 40 mins to 1.5 hours to get some actual bandwidth job (10mbps +), and on 40mbps connection it takes anywhere from 1 hour to 3 hours.

I get some low level job (0.1mbps and very inconsistent) within 2 mins of starting salad.io

[naive lava]

Helpful information, thanks

[shy wedge]

Im lost lol. can you help me

[tight atlas]

this was years ago lol

read the pins there's tons of helpful info there

[upbeat shuttle]

^^

if you let us know what issue you're facing, that'd help

[shy wedge]

I did not see the program running, but I see it now. I only have one line for income, Is that the only "job" its gotten?

[steady fjord]

I put my second machine on work for salad.io bandwidth sharing.

But sgs-client.exe wont show up

[upbeat shuttle]

bandwidth sharing jobs aren't guaranteed, it'll show up when one is available for you to run

[naive lava]

damn i didn't know bw sharing now pays as low as 10 cent/hr 💔

[upbeat shuttle]

you mean 10c/day?

[livid elm]

here it pays up to $0.5/h

here = PL

[mighty fractal]

hello, can i play games with anticheat while salad is sharing bw?

[upbeat shuttle]

you can play any game while running bandwidth sharing

[steady fjord]

I am not able to get sgs-client.exe on my other machines

I have reinstalled many times (including clean installation, reboot between them)

ran salad for 8 hours, waiting for demand spike, but still sgs-client.exe wasn't installed

didn't use the same router

my other machine be sharing 100-180mbps, showing that the demand is not low

[misty furnace]

there's an account-wide limit based on the number of gateways in the country

[steady fjord]

uh pls elaborate

[misty furnace]

if your country only has one, then only one of your devices can get sgs

[steady fjord]

I dont think so thats happening. I had a pretty much trouble getting sgs-client on my first device, but it randomly came upon 10th or 12th reinstallation

[livid elm]

that's shouldn't block sgs-client download, here we have one gateway and when using 2 different PCs connected to 2 different ISPs it kept bouncing between those two machines (one active at a time since gateway limited)

[waxen pollen]

That kinda backs up my thoughts that they limit per account to the max amount of gateways your region has.

The UK has 5 and i could only ever get 5 devices actively running sgs at any one time. If i had 10 devices connected over 2 IPs, only 5 would have SGS actively running, only when 1 of the 5 devices that had sgs lost it, would 1 of the 5 that never had SGS would get it.

@hollow whale @austere shoal
Going off what we were talking about, you say that there isn't a limit to the amount of devices that can actively get SGS at any one time on a single account, (So long as they have different IPs) but that's not what we are seeing IRL.

[livid elm]

it is definitely a thing. I have 10 GPU rigs (remote location) and VM at my place (two different ISPs) - sgs kept switching randomly between locations and randomly between my 10 gpu rigs (when remote location was preffered) - it was never active simultaneously on both ISPs.
tl;dr - you can have as many active sgs-clients as there are gateways in your region. no matter IP. no matter ISP.
@waxen pollen - can I dm you? please add me if yes

[waxen pollen]

Yet you can have upwards of 100 GPUs connected to a single account at any one time.
Sorry, DMs are disabled, can talk here

[upbeat shuttle]

Where'd you get that number from?

[waxen pollen]

It was said in a SOS stream a few months back by one of the team

[gleaming shell]

ths is getting insane 💀

15 us gateway

[naive lava]

I've forgotten how the average salad user used to talk about their earnings (per day or per hour, idek)

Which makes me wonder if 10c per hour is less or more

[steady fjord]

10 cent per hour from one machine is great.

7 cent/hour is probably a baseline, below it per machine is less, above it is great

[naive lava]

mhm alright

[steady fjord]

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[lone solstice]

SGS is granted when there is demand, not automatically

There is no reason for sgs-client to be downloaded on your machine until there is demand for your machine specifically, at which point the client is downloaded and the workload starts

Reinstalling Salad will not help in this matter, that is not the issue. At this point, there does not appear to be any issue based on what you have told me

[livid elm]

@steady fjord where are you located?

[steady fjord]

India

[serene falcon]

I have 2 isp and 2 different pc with diff networks got both gateway one isp and not on other until I disconnect salad on the sgs connected pcs. There are only 2 gateways here. Are there any limitations on number of sgs pc I can connect.

[waxen pollen]

#1021501189977813002 message

[gleaming shell]

16 us gateways 💀

[civic tusk]

All those gateways and I still can’t get a cent a day from bw sharing

[gleaming shell]

yeah most gateways in the us end up being dead jobless, from experience

Currently the only 3? gateways worth running are daffidil-4, na-saf (only because its the only one with static pay, no jobs yet), and maybe lotus idk if it died off

[civic tusk]

i suppose theres no way to tell which ones you are doing or make a way so you only run those gateways?

[gleaming shell]

you can use glasswire or look at the first line of your latest sgs log to find which gateway youre on

unfortunately, there currently isnt a way to "select or exclude gateway(s)". blocking them in firewall wont work either (itll just cause sgs to error)

the only "method" is to just keep rerolling

[robust creek]

earnings has dropped a lot for sure

[naive lava]

how much harm does it do to have a ping over 300

and is it okay to delete the old ndm log files?

[steady fjord]

Why is the recorded download and upload speed always way less then actual. Salad uses https://librespeed.org for testing. The website itself is a huge bottleneck. even at times when I get stable 1gbps, my recorded download is always around 150-240 mbps and upload lies anywhere between 20- 90 mbps.

[upbeat shuttle]

it is what it is

librespeed is apparently the best free solution still

as long as it measures above like 20mbps up and down, it's good enough

[steady fjord]

but wont the low recorded speed push my machine among the "average". I have heard that salad prioritises people with high speed.

[steady fjord]

also I have tried everything to get sgs-client on my other machines. Different router, 300mbps symetrical connection (by the same ISP my active bandwidth sharing machine is using). Same region. 7 days of trying I couldnt get it

[steady fjord]

also 120+ hours of uptime in this 7 days.

[waxen pollen]

SGS does not get pre-installed on a machine till it first gets a job.

Are you using muliple devices? If so how many gateways does your region have? If it's 5, then only 5 machines will ever run at any one time. Regardless of you having more than 1 IP.
Salad only allows 1 IP per device and it will be enforced soon enough from what I've been told.
That being said, Salad needs to remove to max gateway = max devices a single account can have limit for those that can scale past that limit.

[steady fjord]

I live in India and that device I am trying to get sgs-client.exe in would be third. I don't thing number of bandwidth sharing device is limited to 2 per account in India. I don't know the exact number of gateways in India.

and I had faced a similar issue while setting up my second device. I was unable to get sgs-client. I got impatient on third day and started uninstalling and reinstalling salad. Upon the 8th or 10th re installation, sgs-client magically appeared in workloads/_downloads folder. That device was connected to a "not so fast" internet (40mbps symmetrical). I believe that I am facing a very similar kind of issue here with my third device.

the first 2 devices which has sgs-client are running windows 10. The third device I am trying to set up is running windows 11.

[waxen pollen]

Hmm fair, Salad still doesn't download SGS till the device gets a job. So uninstalling and reinstalling doesn't actually help. It just won't download till it first gets a job.

If you go to your logs folder, you can see how many different gateways the device has connected to. That'll tell you how many your region has if it's been active for long enough.

[serene falcon]

India have only 2 gateways

SGS-IN-C. C one is better mostly active with high demand.
SGS-IN-2

[steady fjord]

Why is there a limit for 1 machine per gateway per account 🤨

[upbeat shuttle]

because that's what SGS customers are promised and sold on

[waxen pollen]

It shouldn't be if you have access to another IP though.

[steady fjord]

My other device is connected to a completely different router.

[serene falcon]

Same in my case too. But.....

[steady fjord]

are you limited to 2 bandwidth sharing machine?

[serene falcon]

Yes

I have 2 different isp

[steady fjord]

did you try for the third one?

[serene falcon]

I tested them both sgs client was instantly booting

Yeah

I am running 2 gateways on one network

But not even one on other

[steady fjord]

:o

[steady fjord]

uh quick question. I just wanted to know how others in the same region are doing. How much do you get a day

[serene falcon]

1-2.2 dollar a day now days

[steady fjord]

0.9 to 1.7 dollar a day here. It went to 3.5$ but it aint happening again now.

[serene falcon]

Internet speeds?

[steady fjord]

1gbps and 40mbps symmetrical

[serene falcon]

I have 300mbps and 1gbps active

Which isp? If you can share

[steady fjord]

both airtel.

[serene falcon]

Nice

I got main airtel and 2 days ago a local isp netplus

[steady fjord]

both give me pretty much the same amount of money. I am usually at 1.5$ a day. 80 cents by gbps connection and 70 cent by 40mbps connection

[serene falcon]

Airtel fup limits fuck up the earnings

[steady fjord]

I havent really observed it. They say its 3.33TB. I have crossed 5TB before the next billing cycle

[serene falcon]

How you check that

I have to call them everytime

To ask data usage

So frustrating

[steady fjord]

Its just my second month using salad. I couldnt find the data usage in admin page 192.168.1.1 but in settings there is last 30 days of data usage

[serene falcon]

Normal internet slows down to 1mbps but sgs and other earning apps work fine even after 3.3tb usage I guess

[steady fjord]

no, everything is normal. I am getting my full speed.

[serene falcon]

You talking about 1gbps one?

[steady fjord]

yes.

[serene falcon]

What about 40mbps

I guess 1gbps higher fup

[steady fjord]

it did like 2.8TB before the billing cycle. I didnt hit the fup

[serene falcon]

Oh

[waxen pollen]

Try installing glasswire to track up/down for the month. Though to do that would require paying for it, else it's limited to 24hrs

[serene falcon]

I had 200mbps plan before 1gbps let's maybe it will work

[serene falcon]

I used that

But don't wanna pay

Asking isp by calling is better than paying extra

[waxen pollen]

Though there is a download from galsswires website thats an earlier build that is not locked down. Maybe @misty furnace can help with the URL

[serene falcon]

Thanks. Yeah this will help

[waxen pollen]

There's also a cracked download you can use. But as i said, there's an official earlier build version too

[steady fjord]

does it really even happen? I have seen Reddit posts claiming they have gone far enough 10TB+ before getting throttled. Is it as low as 3.33TB? What was your data usage when you got throttled?

[serene falcon]

They said you passed your monthly limit of 3.3 tb

[steady fjord]

I see..

[livid elm]

this is the one you need

[steady fjord]

link..?

[upbeat shuttle]

https://download.glasswire.com/f/glasswire-setup-2.3.449-full.exe

crazy that glasswire still hosts the download for older, less paywalled versions of their app

[gleaming shell]

if my ISP advertised "unlimited data" but slapped a limit on their FUP I'm moving the hell out of this ISP and going back to my old one

[gleaming shell]

^or if they question me why I'm using so much data on my "unlimited" plan

[gleaming shell]

vegetable app keeps swapping the only gateway with static pay in the us for some dead gateway that has no reason to exist

salad pls stop swapping my beloved na-saf at 48 cents per day for a galbraith 1, galbraith 2, galbraith 3, galbraith 4, lotus east, lotus west, bell, swan, and especially marigold, franklin, toolik
(and preferrably not daffodil-4 or lotus but since im temp living in the basement they have jobs ill give a bit of credits)

^oh and i have to make sure i disable windows udpates so i dont lose sgs for more clankers shoved in my face

[gleaming shell]

DIE

STOP EXISTING

doesnt it cost salad money to keep these dead jobless gateways running?

[tidal bough]

na-saf is an US gateway? I thought it was a Canada gateway because of where the ip resolves to lol

[gleaming shell]

yeah for some reason the server is located in canada lol

same with 3 other gateways except theyre located in the uk

[gleaming shell]

wow salad is giving me all the bad gateways 😭

the dead gateway situation just keeps getting worse and worse for the us 😭

16 gateways, only two of them are known to have some jobs, and only one of the fourteen dead jobless ones have static pay (from what I know)

not to mention 4 of them aren't even located in the us, (one of them is the static pay one though)

[robust creek]

little better

[waxen pollen]

Which ones?

[gleaming shell]

marigold, franklin, toolik

[waxen pollen]

Hmm, not ones i've seen ever in the UK. Guess they are UK gateways only the US connects to for UK content streaming sites

[gleaming shell]

such a shame the gateways can't be aggregated into the center of the country due to "latency" constraints 😔

I feel it's also a bit ineffective for users to be randomly getting gateways on one side of the country when they live on the other side, and have multiple gateways not even located in the country (high ping)

Or can't they just load-balance or smth

Just sucks that no other apps have this issue where there are many individual servers for bandwidth sharing and having to gamble to not get the dead ones

[gleaming shell]

But at the same time, no other apps allow more than 1 device per ip

idk whether it would be suitable to have one at the center of the country, it definitely would help with the pings for gateways in the uk

[waxen pollen]

I've been trying to get a response off of Ek about this.

I bet it's just how it was setup and there's no incentives to make upgrades/improvements to SGS.

[gleaming shell]

probably, oh well

I'll still continue to hold off from getting a static IP until the dead gateway situation improves here in the us

[waxen pollen]

But thats a guess with no knowledge behind it

[gleaming shell]

For now I'm still blessed with SGS on my laptop since I haven't restarted it since it was in a relatives house and they had a good enough IP for SGS 💀

So I'll enjoy it while it lasts, until the computer crashes, updates, or some other factor

[waxen pollen]

I'm waiting for a response to this from EK regarding that

[gleaming shell]

yeah I feel it kinda wastes money on salads (which I've heard is already kinda unprofitable as a company, correct me if I'm wrong) side to keep these gateways running

Unless the customer pays for them or it works in a different way where it has to keep running idk

[waxen pollen]

Yeah we lack info

and making assumptions with our questions with what we do know

[gleaming shell]

From the SGS documentation it says that salad are the ones that provision the gateways, but no clue that it tells that salad themselves are paying to keep them up

Either way it's wasteful to both the customer or salad and the chef to have these gateways up :(

[waxen pollen]

Depends if they are located on the same servers or if each gateway is in a different area of what ever region it's in.

[livid elm]

Can you post here once you get an answer? I am super curious what they say as we have only one gateway in Poland

I tried to reach Jarrot but he is either off or ignoring me xd

[waxen pollen]

I've been trying to advocate for us SGS chefs. So will do.

So long as i remember to 😅😅

[fossil onyx]

Is it possible to be chef only with bandwidth sharing ?

[gleaming shell]

yes

i used to always do that before i switched to this isp

[fossil onyx]

And how to become CHEF ?

[upbeat shuttle]

!sc

[sick helm]

Wondering what Star Chef is, how it works?

How do I get Star Chef:
Star Chef is a built-in system that rewards our most active Chefs in the kitchen. By Chopping for more than 50 hours in a week, you obtain the Star Chef status. These notifications are sent each Friday (US Time).

Read more about what Star Chef is here:
https://support.salad.com/article/337-star-chef-qualifications-and-benefits

What do I get for being a Star Chef:
As a Star Chef, you'll be prioritized for workloads on the network. In reality, if 2 identically-spec-ed Chefs are Chopping and a new workload arrives on the network, the user with Star Chef will get the workload.
Note that it isn't a miracle solution - it does not guarantee better earnings or more containers, all it does is provide a boost for our top Chefs!

[upbeat shuttle]

don't worry about it though, currently it does nothing

[livid elm]

Keep it up - I only started with BW in December since there were no gateways here before

[livid elm]

@waxen pollen have you experienced a situation where hardware couldn't keep up with the network? For example I have a 1gbit upload and doing BW - will a 4Cores/8gb RAM machine be enough for this?

[upbeat shuttle]

that'll be plenty fast enough

[waxen pollen]

Nope, not even close to capping out my hardware. Though mine high high end 😅

For a normal chef, it's extremely unlikely that salad would cap out even your network card, then alone the hardware. As most have at least 1GB on their motherboard and salad hardly using 500 at peak times with all the instances i run off the pc. Then alone 1

I say that for half decent hardware mind you. If for instance you was using a Pi 0 (Which you can't as Salad doesn't have a linux version as of yet) or something like that then yeah salad maybe could. But i've never had one and i[m not overly sure how much BW hits CPU with something comparable.

[waxen pollen]

I have 5Gig broadband

[livid elm]

I know my hardware as well 😉 I was thinking specifically about computing power - it is clear that I won't be capped by 1gbit NIC if I have 600mb/s upload speed.

[hollow whale]

Did you ask EK about this directly?

[waxen pollen]

I did. Twice, but didn't get an answer 😅

[waxen pollen]

Your talking about the CPU right?

[hollow whale]

he'll get back to you when he can. Just quickly chatted with him

[steady fjord]

Yo I was chopping for 24/7 no break and I had a bw job for the entire time ( I only share bw)

Didn't get that

[azure scarab]

for it to show in the app you need 5/5 chopping power and 50 hours a week

dose nothing anyways

[livid elm]

To be completely honest, I was wondering what the lowest-spec machine is that can handle BW without a shadow of a doubt (considering I can saturate the full 1000/1000 on the ISP end).

[robust creek]

I had a crappy minipc before the one i have rn and salad was crashing after some hours all the times even with low traffic

[waxen pollen]

I've had it running off an Intel N100 mini PC without issues. Windows was a little slow but did BW just fine.

[upbeat shuttle]

love the N100

i ran modded mc on it, can absolutely handle sgs :)

[robust creek]

Power went off while i was not at home so the ups battery died and i lost the sgs

[robust creek]

Sgs is not coming back for now, that was unfortunate

[fossil onyx]

Is allowing more space on salad is better for bandwidth sharing ?

Currently 150gb

[gleaming shell]

it shouldnt affect bandwidth sharing

[upbeat shuttle]

indeed

[waxen pollen]

Wait, it does make a difference?

[upbeat shuttle]

it does not affect bandwidth sharing

[fossil onyx]

And the available ram is affecting ? I have a 32 GB ram machine but would like run some vm also

[waxen pollen]

Right, thats what i thought. Was gonna say 😅

[fossil onyx]

Is the ram important ?

[gleaming shell]

nah

If you're bandwidth sharing you can do it even on a really low end device

Just make sure your CPU is at least 4 threads, since salad is guaranteed to screw itself over on 2 threads

[gleaming shell]

and that's given if the machine is mostly going to be idle or for light use

But I doubt you'd have a 4 thread CPU given those other specs

nvm you mentioned VM, yeah give each VM like 4 vCPUs so the app doesn't die, salad isn't the best at handling high CPU usage as unexpected behavior occurs

[pulsar arrow]

damn I forgot to run salad all these weeks

[robust creek]

My sgs is completely dead, is not coming back

[bronze crane]

sgs will come back but last time i 'lost' it due to a connection lost it took more than 12 hours to get something back

[robust creek]

Its been 25 hours

[civic tusk]

Yesterday was a ‘good’ night for me on SGS in usa. “Made” 50 cents

for some reason though it took up 84 of my 128GB. not sure how that works but hey at least it didnt try to get to swap memory which I have disabled

had to restart to clean the vmmem WSL because not even task manager could fully kill it or salad process

[gleaming shell]

i guess you got the only gateway with static pay?

[robust creek]

finally, static pay! 😅

[gleaming shell]

i still have my sgs from back when i was at a relatives place

still got my 48 cent per day of static

[robust creek]

48 static with no traffic?

[gleaming shell]

it is the ONLY gateway in the us with static pay lol
and yes, for now it has no traffic

the gateway situation here is still really bad

were up to 17 gateways now, with only 2 of them known to have traffic, and 1 of them with static pay

[robust creek]

wow amazing static pay

i wish

here is 0,10 a day the static without traff now

[gleaming shell]

not sure why this gateway has 48 cent static pay specifically, when no other gateways have any static pay

but ill gladly take it lol

last time the us had static pay was a very very long ago on the original daffodil gateway (god i miss that) at 12 cents per day before they removed it

[robust creek]

i see the gateway they using now is the usual, orchid

is not the new one with insane traffic anymore

[gleaming shell]

the US used to have "daffodil" gateway, it was pretty goated and peaked at around december 2023, some days id earn over a dollar

^at one point, dandelion was pretty good aswell

[robust creek]

i was earning almost 1$ a day, but indeed power went off and i lost it

why they don't record the previous uptime i had tho..

[gleaming shell]

unfortunately both of those gateways no longer exist, lotus is one of the last old ones with traffic, daffodil 4 is the only new one with traffic, and the rest are dead

[robust creek]

more than a month without disconnections

[gleaming shell]

yeah its a bummer salad doesnt take into account previous uptime

i have years of bandwidth sharing experience, 24/7 uptime, and just a new isp change and i never see it again

[robust creek]

they should implement this

it will make their uptime better and clients more happy

[gleaming shell]

i have a laptop that stays on 24/7, untouched, and 1gbps availability but salad wont even give any blessings ever since moving over to this isp lol

the thing is im sure the IP's here arent used for any bad stuff, but they are bad, for some reason these apps see it as "inferior" and same with ipqs

[mighty fractal]

i have the new gateway, and it's crazyyy

[robust creek]

why i'm not getting it anymore!!!

[robust creek]

when did you get it

[mighty fractal]

i have no clue

[robust creek]

you didn't had it in these last.. 15 days right?

[mighty fractal]

i restarted my pc because an app was causing issues and then i had the new gateway

let me check when salad created the folder so that i can give you an exact day

[robust creek]

i think they don't like my ip anymore at this point or it's just random

[mighty fractal]

i think that the gateways are just random

i was very delighted seeing that gateway

[robust creek]

🤷‍♂️

[mighty fractal]

just a few days

let's hope my isp doesn't complain

[robust creek]

doubt it will, unless it's 4g/5g

[gleaming shell]

why cant the us have this level of gateway success 😭

[granite umbra]

Exactly if we get 500 mbps for a day its a miracle

[gleaming shell]

out of all the years us bandwidth has existed (since day 1 to now), that has only ever happened twice

8/11/2025 and 8/12/2025, all four galbraith gateways for an unknown reason got a massive insurgence of jobs that lasted throughout the day

i made an insane amount first day and a record earning of sub-3 dollars the second day.

but then it died off

was actually so disappointing 😭 i thought it wouldve been the day us bandwidth actually catched up for the first time

[granite umbra]

Yes I also made sub $1 that day realized the demand late

I wish daffodil gateway appeared

[civic tusk]

alright yeah the train of actually getting some cents sailed

if only there was actually some places that had actually good BW sharing in US

[tardy swan]

@upbeat shuttle advertising a shady thingamajig

[upbeat shuttle]

@swift trellis don't do that

[gleaming shell]

what did they advertise 😭

[civic tusk]

some tweet that they did ‘recently’ (doesnt exist)

also seems to be some guy promoting bitcoin bs so for the meantime salad is the most profitable thing to run

[swift trellis]

I won’t, never be a nice guy on the internet

[swift trellis]

Sure 👍

[civic fern]

i mean... it lives

[robust creek]

The new gateway?

[civic fern]

i guess?

unless a new one came out this month

it's the one that popped in existence since November

[robust creek]

I dont get that gateway anymore for some reasons

[civic fern]

i only have this 😳

also love how older editions of glasswire allow you to do things in the free version, and not in the newer editions

[robust creek]

🤷‍♂️

[sturdy fulcrum]

[mighty fractal]

yes, i'm also using an old version of glasswire

@gleaming shell do you know how gateways get assigned?

[gleaming shell]

not sure as its probably something that isnt public information

but I feel like there isnt really an explicit "system" that assigns gateways, and that it feels random

it doesnt take into account the demand of the gateway and the location, and i seem to just get gateways on random

[waxen pollen]

Feels random to me too. Least from my exp

[gleaming shell]

yep

i live near the center of the united states and im getting gateways located in the coast, and ones in canada and uk

and also gateways with zero jobs over a gateway with abundance of jobs

[waxen pollen]

Doesn't like changing gateways when your forced to stop start the app to get a different gateway either.

[gleaming shell]

oh yeah it does that sometimes lol

its kinda a gamble

[waxen pollen]

Yeah seems stupid to me. If theres only x amount of gateways that ever get traffic, i don't get why we're not sent to those over dead gateways.

Or why dead gateways are not shut down till there needed again.

[gleaming shell]

THIS

i dont see why users have access to 17 gateways here in the us when 14 of them do not pay anything

its wasteful to the user commiting electricity, and wasteful to the customer/salad keeping a gateway up that noones going to benefit off of

noone ultimately benefits

[waxen pollen]

Seems wildly inefficient to me

Maybe should be enquired about in the next SOS

[mighty fractal]

i've been getting a few more captchas than usual, are we sure that salad isn't doing anything strange right?

[misty furnace]

That is normal for bandwidth sharing because of the higher traffic volume. Some sites may see that as bot activity, but nothing malicious. If you start getting too many captchas or services stop working, you can disable Bandwidth Sharing and the issues should resolve within a few days.

[void widget]

@gleaming shell

[mighty fractal]

thank you for the answer, that clears everything up

[void widget]

are u getting any problems on earn app after update ?

like i was using 2 device on same ip (2.4 , 5g) but now only 1 device is working

win10 is working and win11 is not, even after re-installing windouuss

[gleaming shell]

well not on my home internet ip but on mobile data the app cant last like 2 seconds without killing itself then not bothering to reconnect

[void widget]

i have installed previous version just now, lets see what happens

[robust creek]

better

[civic tusk]

in the middle of BW sharing right now. Is it normal for a lot of memory to be used for VmmemWSL process? Right now it's at 3GB, but when I left it on for around 12 hours for SGS a few days ago it skyrocketed to 63GB or so.

[azure scarab]

bw sharing dont use vmm

[misty furnace]

yeah, that's cpu/gpu containers

[void widget]

ok, both of my devices are now working properly in same ip, i just rolled back to 1.575 version in win11 device

[robust creek]

finally some good traffic! (it will die soon for sure)

[mighty fractal]

😮😮

[azure scarab]

bw

[gleaming shell]

more traffic from us ips than the us has for its own bandwidth sharing 😭

[azure scarab]

lol

[gleaming shell]

really hope the new us gateway thats in testing becomes successful

[azure scarab]

ant you guys got that big custmor in the us

[gleaming shell]

yeah

they haven actively started tho, in testing

i have one of the workloads on my main laptop, pays 50 cents per day static

but thats because my laptop was at a relatives place (with an actually good ip) since the last time salad started

[civic tusk]

What makes an IP good? Around a specific populous area?

[gleaming shell]

I'm actually unsure what service salad uses to determine IP quality. However salad really likes my old ISP, it was a very small local ISP

My current isp is a large one (it frickin sucks), and I can't get SGS to start on it no matter what

However I'm able to get SGS at my relatives, place tho they use Verizon as their ISP

But I can definitely confirm salad (and Honeygain) does NOT like my ip range / isp

[civic tusk]

does it take very long to get an SGS job with your relatives ISP?

[gleaming shell]

Nope

In my experience SGS either starts almost instantly, or never starts

[civic tusk]

for my SGS either never starts or only starts around like 2PM

though its late today. Still haven’t gotten a job

[gleaming shell]

Back on my old ISP, my SGS client would start before LibreSpeed even finished running

I'm still considering moving back to my old ISP, this new ISP I have has been terrible

Ever since the day I moved to this ISP, and like 10 different IP rotations, every single IP has been inferior

speeds are underprovisioned

Browsing data and stuff are logged for "analytics and business purposes"

a static IP costs 10 dollars a month and not to mention customer support sucks especially for static ips since they only have a team for business customers

my brother and I are willing to agree to pay a bit more for my old ISP as they at least give a crap

[civic tusk]

actually 1984

[gleaming shell]

yeah sucks my isp does that yet still charges 10 dollars a month for a ducking static ip so their customers can avoid using the god horrendous cgnat ips they give

my old isp (from what i can tell on their fup) doesnt log your crap unless requested by law enforcement

idk, its been terrible with this isp. already got a poor first impression upon reading the fup and finding out they collect browsing data and such, and can confirm the isp is terrible when i found out every ip is crap, they charge 10 dollars a month for a static ip, and they underprovision. router they provided also sucks and they charge monthly if you want extenders which is absurd

might aswell downgrade from the so-called "1gbps" to 500mbps (which is overprovisioned to 510-530mbps) if thats given im with an ISP that doesnt spy on you for "marketing and analytics purposes", has amazing ips, and actually gives a crap about their customers.

[mighty fractal]

whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat

[azure scarab]

even better now lol

@gleaming shell look at that US connection at top lol

[gleaming shell]

this new us gateway better not disappoint like the other 13 out of 15 gateways here in the us 💀

[tidal bough]

if you're getting 940mbps its because of transport overhead, try using a 2.5G or 10G port (if your router and ONT has one)

its why most isps advertise 940mbps instead of 1000mbps (or at least have it in the typical speeds part of the broadband facts)

[gleaming shell]

ah from what I know the modem to router connection uses 2.5gbe, but the second and the only remaining Ethernet port is only gigabit

I could try with a wifi 6e connection but no clue if it'll exceed the 1gbps

Either way I ultimately plan to go back to my old ISP it's the best one available without account for pricing

^yeah another thing about this router that makes it balls is that it only has 2 Ethernet ports total 💀
The 2.5gbe port is used up by the modem, so there's really one 1gbe port available

So you'll likely need network switch / "daisy chain" routers

[tidal bough]

i never use the isp provided router

they're usually trash

[gleaming shell]

I have another router but its only wifi 5

[gleaming shell]

wow i just realized yall still got the og (rose) gateway? and its still ripping away at the bandwidth

daffodil (the og one here in the us) died a long time ago

(i still miss it, it was amazing)

(i kinda dont but i do)

(nvm i do, it was (from what i know) the only us gateway that had static pay (but then removed), and all this was before the infestation of dead gateways)

[gleaming shell]

it was the only gateway (aside from the four galbraiths those 2 and only 2 specific days) that actually ever maxed out my bandwidth a few times, for a while

and now i cant even get sgs client to start, for reasons im sure my ISP will refuse to answer to a singular dissatisfied residential (non business) customer

[azure scarab]

yeh we have like 6 gateways in uk only 3 have traffic rose one of the best ones

[granite steppe]

@empty hinge @gleaming shell are you getting sgs now?

[waxen pollen]

6? I've only ever counted 5, where in the UK are you located?

[azure scarab]

i got 6 west yorkshire

[civic tusk]

if it does salad mind as well sunset like the majority of the gateways or just consolidate em into one

[waxen pollen]

Ohh, those GB-PV re new to me.

Haven't checked in on my device logs in a while, got a PV too

[gleaming shell]

we have tried asking salad about this but unfortunately its "not possible".
for the shutting down dead gateways part i have no clue, but for aggregating all the gateways they said they couldnt do it due to "latency issues" which in this case kinda doesnt really make sense as 4 of the gateways arent even located in the us and gateway selection is kinda rng. i feel like with how dispersed gateways are in the us and how theyre assigned i feel its better to have a singular gateway in the smack center of the country (or have it load balanced across gateways idk)

[azure scarab]

yeh but if they only have one gateway i think the person with the highist bw connection will get all the connections on that gateway

[gleaming shell]

well, yes but no

not too long back, i visited a relatives house and i got sgs client on it. Im back home but i have never restarted my laptop since then so i currently temporarily still have it. but if i restart my c omputer for any reason its gone

[waxen pollen]

Sames goes for the UK, a fraction of the size of the US and yet we have 6 gateways now, a max of 3 ever get traffic. They can't say it's for latency reasons. We're tiny and have fibre lines and it's only streaming. Yeah i get it it's high latency sure, but again. The UK is tiny and has good latency from Cornwall to Scotland

[gleaming shell]

i get like 120-140ms to the uk gateways lol

(i mean the us gateways that are located in the uk*)

[waxen pollen]

Even Jarrot said he doesn't know why it's been setup the way it has been.

[gleaming shell]

idk if they can just load-balance so all the customers get a shared loda between gateways, so all gateways get some sort of jobs

but from the sgs documentation it probs doesnt seem possible since it mentions that "each customer gets provisioned their own gateway" or something

[waxen pollen]

I get if it was meant to be temp, but surly theres a better way of doing it.

[gleaming shell]

and the issue where customers share a gateway ip if that matters

[waxen pollen]

It needs a redesign

But alas, they don't overly care about SGS

[gleaming shell]

maybe theyre prioritizing container workloads atm

which i guess i cant blame them idk

[waxen pollen]

It's always containers, Dashboard never gets proper love and neither does SGS

[gleaming shell]

lol

yeah sgs client app version has been 0.1.8 for ages

[waxen pollen]

Don't get me wrong, i get it. Gotta concentrate on where the money comes in. But ffs can you least create things properly and efficiently before you stop loving on them

[mighty fractal]

@gleaming shell by this document that salad pubblically lists on their website it seems like they DO check the ipqs

[upbeat shuttle]

gotta love dead gateways

[waxen pollen]

We're buggered

Why does it have to be per customer and not just sending their traffic down a single or x amount of nodes salads has for them to go down instead of a bazillion gateways that never get traffic. Hate it was done and sold this way

[upbeat shuttle]

i can see why customers might think that way

it's dumb but i can understand it

[waxen pollen]

There's no chance any time soon of us getting a better SGS system, if ever either

[upbeat shuttle]

it would be nice if there was at least some decent static pay

we should be paid at least a little bit to make it worthwhile to be on standby 24/7 for months with zero traffic

[waxen pollen]

Got this response from EK a week odd ago about that

[upbeat shuttle]

Yeah but I mean more than like 10 cents a day

[gleaming shell]

rip

it's just unfortunate as it's particularly bad here in the us and has been for a while

And other bandwidth sharing apps suck balls too here in the us

I miss the days when it was just daffodil, dandelion, and lotus

The job abundant trio 😭

[waxen pollen]

We need change and something better. Time to dust off the pitch fork

[upbeat shuttle]

it might've been possible if it were just salad's bodge work, but if it's customers being stubborn then it'll probably be much harder to change it

[misty furnace]

we get $0.50/day for the US test workload

like actually worth it

[waxen pollen]

Yeah a 1 in 16 chance lol

That's brutal

Hmmmm, apparently there are no limits to how many BW devices an account can have running. Yet we're finding limits

[waxen pollen]

Also

[livid elm]

it is not a limit, it is a feature 😉

will try this today as well, for short time I am hooked up with two ISPs