Linkart update & enhancements

[snow relic]

Seems like unfortunately Melontini (the guy that was maintaining this mod) gave up last month 😭

Can someone takeover development of Linkart (MR) and update it to 1.21.6+?

Also, i suggested to him a couple of months ago implementing the features of this mod (GH), a sign system that in theory would turn Linkart in something even more like TrainCarts, a plugin for Bukkit/Spigot that i mentioned couple of times before that really turns minecarts into something useful for autonomous transportation - and that unfortunately the author refuses to even try to bring it to Fabric, despite the uniqueness and longevity of the concept.

@crisp adder don't know if you still tinkers with minecarts, if positive perharps you would like to see that

Mentioned to you on inbox a long time ago

Curious to see how the Minecart Improvements experiment/feature flag would play along this

Linkart update & enhancements

[livid shore]

If I have time I would be willing to do it

[snow relic]

🆙

[gentle spear]

traincarts cart member mechanic looks so clean

[snow relic]

totally

Linkart is the one that comes close

[livid shore]

I now understand why the owner had pain maintaining this lol

I have no clue why the did it the way they did though

[livid shore]

yeah, I don't feel like rewriting the entire mod. mojank changed everything

[snow relic]

yeah that's why i mentioned StuffStuffs

he seems to be the only person here that touched that cursed thing that is minecarts

[livid shore]

It's not that cursed, its just that the author made assumptions when writing code

[livid shore]

I have no clue what they are

[livid shore]

But I know they're not true anymore

[livid shore]

I'm not against updating mc code references, but when I'm rewriting a mod, I kinda want to have interest in it

In addition, their setup was weird to support like 50 versions of Minecraft with one jar

[snow relic]

yeah i was surprised when i saw the supported versions per-mc version

[livid shore]

It's cursed to achieve that

[livid shore]

And not even Minecraft cursed

[livid shore]

Bending java cursed

[livid shore]

For any other devs that may choose to try this, it depends on lombok

[snow relic]

lambok?

[lavish hinge]

i think they meant lombok?

[snow relic]

@livid shore there's also the original version of the mod that is just for Fabric. But's super old that i think a rewrite would be less work than trying to recycle some code of this:
https://github.com/vini2003/Linkart

and i think that just serves to tie the minecarts together, don't have anything like the sweet physics (that @gentle spear mentioned)

BTW here's how the amazing TrainCarts works. Just to have an idea

[livid shore]

You are correct, thank you 🙂

[gentle spear]

🤤

[snow relic]

🆙

[granite relic]

https://modrinth.com/mod/linkart-refabricated

[iron shore]

oh hey that's me

didnt even notice this lol 😭

working on implementing stonecutter on this thing

[iron shore]

my priority rn would be to fix minecarts unlinking when going through portals and i will def take a look at those other projects as mantainin Linkart is part of a bigger project where i would want to tinker and improve Minecarts overall

tho for now the idea is just keeping Linkart mantained (and that bug fixed)

[snow relic]

ohhh this is very interesting

[snow relic]

stonecutter? like a minecart with stonecutter?

[lavish hinge]

they're probably talking about https://stonecutter.kikugie.dev/

[iron shore]

yeah

[snow relic]

ohh i see

[lavish hinge]

-# they have a stonecutter + fabric template

[iron shore]

basically a tool that allows me to support multiple minecraft versions at once in one branch and with sharing code

super useful and cool

[lavish hinge]

-# i also have my own public multiloader-multiversion template

[snow relic]

oh i see

[iron shore]

wanted to try it out on this smaller mod before trying it on a bigger project

[snow relic]

so the goal would be trains to go through portals too?

[iron shore]

minecarts going through portals is vanilla behaviour from 1.21 on i think

however when they go through portals with Linkart, they get unlinked

this is not intended and is a bug

and it's actually the reason the mod is labeled as a beta :P

I will patch it whenever the magic factors (having the time to do it, feeling like doing it and have thinked how to do it) align

I mean prs are open tho as always but yeah I will make it tho idk when

no ETA

[snow relic]

maybe @crisp adder (that worked in similar stuff in the past) could help

[iron shore]

who are they?

but I mean sure anyone can pr, and if I don't get any it will get done by me at some point

[iron shore]

Stonecutter is basically ready, my plans are to only mantain 1.21.1 and latest as of rn

if theres more demand i will consider mantaining 1.21.3 or other versions

[snow relic]

for right now this is okay for me, since i'm stuck in 1.21.1 for the forseable future until CC:Tweaked gets an 1.21.4 release

[iron shore]

imma be releasing the thing today for 1.21.1 :3

[iron shore]

@snow relic out now

[snow relic]

will try asap

[iron shore]

i thought i would have to wait for the updates to be reviewed too but seems liek it just worked

[livid shore]

They don't typically review updates

[iron shore]

Oh okay, had no idea. It's my first time on Modrinth

[livid shore]

Glad to hear you started 🙂

[iron shore]

:3

[snow relic]

@iron shore a suggestion for future versions (before implementing signs if you have interest on that):

Add the furnace UI to the minecart w/ furnace, and add a minecart w/ blast furnace (that would go faster than minecart with regular furnaces

also why not add "Minecart w/(char)coal"? would be a similar concept with the very old Minecart with stew (you would fill that directly with (char)coal, without the need to use a chest) to use that immediately behind a minecart with (blast) furnace to power it

[swift merlin]

Oh dang people actually used this awful thing we made

[iron shore]

Ok so let me clear this up: I'm maintaining Linkart because I'm gonna add it as a module to my modular Minecraft mod Harmony once we have a proper module system set up on it (will keep maintaining Linkart until Harmony is fully stable and released), so I'm only gonna work on maintaining Linkart up to date and fixing bugs like the portal one

Linkart Refabricated will get merged onto Harmony though, and we have multiple changes for Minecarts planned for both Harmony and Melody (Melody being another modular mod that works as a companion/extension to Harmony)

[iron shore]

and furnace minecart GUIs are already planned in there

[snow relic]

😩

[iron shore]

we will make that a thing in the future

[snow relic]

so i'm in the look for others that have interest in pick up developement of the melontini mod in the future

[iron shore]

feel free to give more minecart suggestions tho as they may get onto harmony and/or melody

[iron shore]

I mean you can just use Harmony

it's modular and configurable

you just disable what you don't like

also I will keep Linkart up to date until I merge it into Harmony

[snow relic]

i already fled several "modular" mods that add features that i want in the past because i dont like to do that

[iron shore]

I mean if you prefer multiple mods that do one super small thing as download farms

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1135700448616120433.webp?size=48

[snow relic]

my modpacks are pretty huge and i stubmled in compatibility issues with modules that i thought were "disabled" but continued to mess with the system

[iron shore]

we will use Andromeda's module system

also configurable =/= modular

and we will prioritize mod compat

I am making the mods this way because believe me

[snow relic]

btw, the only reason i'm looking for an update of it is because TrainCarts will not get a port to Fabric anytime soon

[iron shore]

I'm a mod packer and I have gone through that pain

so you can rest assured I will keep that in mind

[snow relic]

and the author is staunch against rewriting to another modloader (understandable)

[iron shore]

disabled stuff will be disabled fr

like the code not running, not giving the same response as vanilla (which isn't the same thing)

also Furnace GUI would require to mod the client too

[iron shore]

and Linkart is serverside

I wouldn't want to mess w that

[iron shore]

yeah that's totally fair

again dw as idk when harmony will be ready to be released and the module system will be the same Andromeda uses (another mod by melontini!)

and it will actually be modular and not "configurable but disabling the feature still gives compat issues"

[snow relic]

🆙

Hope someone have interest in fork it too but to keep standalone and add the signals stuff to make it more like TrainCarts 🙏

[iron shore]

merging isnt guaranteed yet

also any other new functionality for Minecarts would be added to Harmony (the mod Linkart may be added to depending on some stuff i still have to check)

signs arent on my list but Furnace Minecart GUI is though (between others)

[snow relic]

~~Since editing the vanilla minecarts is a PITA, i "superseded" this request by this one here (to add a whole separate system instad of editing the vanilla ones): 👉 #1333248560409346049 ~~

Additionally, i also did another request for someone to port LittleLogistics to Fabric 1.21.x. 👉 #1333591769560125601 . Maybe porting this would be even more easier than either requests above

[snow relic]

🆙, since the above diversion wasn't sucessful, and taking opportunity Mojang is doing a very interesting revamp of leashes but left the ability to leash minecarts together out (plus the whole minecart-improvements deal), wonder if this concept could be ressurrected for 1.21.6+...

[frigid escarp]

Little thing but this should probably be doable with the chain item instead of a leash? Could work the same, just probably more immersive

[snow relic]

yeah, the original mod uses chains

i mentioned leashes most because of the amazing changes Mojang is doing with that item in 1.21.6 snapshots

[wary fjord]

might be taking a look into this

gotta need things to work on and pollute my github

[snow relic]

you are my hero

[wary fjord]

aight, just to say

I've kinde started making this - but no promises

AbstractMinecartEntity somewhat scares me and I absolutely have no idea if the implementation I have will work in practice

[snow relic]

i just can imagine

[wary fjord]

I mean I do get why they did things

and do understand what the code does

I just need to think about where I should mix in into, to not break controls but also add new controls

[snow relic]

ah i understand now

[wary fjord]

I could just write a custom minecart controller, would make it easier for sure

but kinda a lot of copy-paste work, because I don't want to think about it 😭

[snow relic]

🆙 again, taking opportunity of Spring to Life update (and its leash changes) to see if someone have interest

[snow relic]

🆙 still have hope someone will finally fix the mess that vanilla minecarts are (and add the ways to automate railroads Linkart and Signals offered)

[snow relic]

@livid shore wonder if you would have interest in at least just port either melontini's Linkart or Linkart Refabricated to 1.21.8 or .9

@iron shore upped the refabricated to 21.5

[iron shore]

hii

yes I wanna port

there's PRS on my repo

but I'm busy

I will start being free next week

[snow relic]

Oops, there is a PR to update it to 1.21.6-1.21.8 already

[iron shore]

and I will try and release for as much versions as I can

[iron shore]

yup! this contributor has helped a lot recently when ive been short of free time

I will review the PR next week