AGOT - Dragonstone Duchies and Princes

[tall socket]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2970057941

An addition to the "Heirs of Dragonstone" submod that makes Claw Isle and Sharp Point into duchies under the Kingdom of Dragonstone and also gives the Valyrian children of the ruler the title of "Prince" and "Princess". Most of the changes were suggested by the original mod's author and modified by me. Uploaded with permission to share with others!

[cedar nimbus]

great mod

or subsubmod i should say

[lavish prism]

this imitates ck2 agot MB dragonstone situation

[tall socket]

What did that mod do?

[lavish prism]

add k-tier dragonstone and d-driftmark and d-claw isle

[tall socket]

Oh! (I probably should have figured that out, lol)

[lavish prism]

i herd u like submods so i made a submod for ur submod

why not make it standalone form the heirs of dragonstone

the other guy said he won't update it

[tall socket]

The changes were mostly made by the original author and just changed a bit by myself. Besides, I didn't just want to make a mod to completely replace theirs. This way, people still get the mod from the person that did most of the work, and if they're interested in more changes, they can get my submod as well.

[lunar egret]

Ur awesome

[lavish prism]

It just feels a bit like bloat and might get confusing to people

imagine if you abandoned the mod or something and then some third or fourth guy had to make a compatch and added a third mod ontop of it all

[tall socket]

Maybe. If eventually that causes any issues, I may reconsider the approach. But right now I think the way it's currently set up is the best way to handle it. The way the changes are made should also in theory allow it to not need any future alterations.

[lunar egret]

do you have it somewhere else uploaded, like skymods? i play it on Gamepass

[prisma yarrow]

What about sweetport sound? House sunglass was also one of Stannis' bannermen.

[cedar nimbus]

not important enough to be their own duchy

i think

[chilly jackal]

Not sure if this is just me, but Driftmark, Sharp Point, and Claw Isle are showing up as independent in both start dates, they're not under the Iron Throne or Dragonstone and can't join the mega-war

[lunar egret]

Probably something incompatible on ur end

[chilly jackal]

I tried using with just the AGOT mod, still the same issue

[cedar nimbus]

same for me

[lunar egret]

Thats weird I haven’t had any issues (besides being a tyrant for not granting dragonstone to ser nobody of house bumfuck because they keep begging me for it)

But thats just a ck3 being annoying problem not a mod problem

[tall socket]

You sure you're also using Heirs of Dragonstone above in the load order?

[chilly jackal]

Ahhh ok that’s what went wrong, mb

Also just wanted to ask, the Duchy building for Driftmark is in the Driftmark county, but the capital is in High Tide, can we change the duchy building to High Tide too? Thanks a lot!

[tall socket]

In theory, Driftmark should already be the Duchy capital. I'm actually having a different problem of the Duchy building not being in Castle Driftmark OR High Tide, but in Blackmark instead. Weird.

[unkempt cargo]

Forgive me when I finally bully Bear into making this part of the main mod

[tall socket]

Forgiven and encouraged!

[chilly jackal]

Ah yeah, the duchy building seems to be showing up in Blackmark now, weird. Would be great if we could get it in Driftmark instead, so we can get the bonuses there

[chilly jackal]

@tall socket so I'm not sure if this is the problem, but your mod has c_driftmark as the capital of d_driftmark in the landed titles folder, but in the Heirs of Dragonstone mod the capital of d_driftmark is set as c_high_tide, could that be what's messing with the duchy building?

[cedar nimbus]

badger based as always

[unkempt cargo]

but in the meanttime your submod is important and the correct way to play it

[tall socket]

That's what I'm checking right now. I think I may have fixed it already, but I'm testing atm.

[tall socket]

Just updated it. Should be fixed now!

[errant jungle]

Can you try to make summerhall a duchy or even a Kingdom rank wit the title “Prince”?

[tall socket]

That would probably fall outside the intended purpose of this mod, but not a bad idea in general. Maybe for another mod. Though idk if there's any lore precedent for holders of Summerhall to be referred to as Princess.

[chilly jackal]

iirc Maekar held the title Prince of Summerhall, and his son Daeron also preferred the title Prince of Summerhall over Prince of Dragonstone. Although a duchy tier title seems better as I don't think Summerhall has notable vassals sworn to it

[tall socket]

Didn't the title of Prince come by virtue of them being younger sons of the King, though? I'd think of that title as "The Prince who is from Summerhall". Unlike Dragonstone, which was the seat of the heir apparent (and therefore the heir's kids would also get the title of prince/princess). I'm not super familiar with the Summerhall title, though, so I may be wrong.

[chilly jackal]

Yeah you may be right, it was only used a few times so I'm not exactly sure how the succession for it was intended to be

[tall socket]

I feel like if a third son held Summerhall, and then it passed on to their son, they would no longer be the prince of Summerhall. The time of Dunk and Egg simply had a ton of reshuffling of who was in line for the throne.

[chilly jackal]

That does make sense, it was more of a summer house really than a holding in itself

[cedar nimbus]

idk seems like it was something similar https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Prince_of_Summerhall

[prime hornet]

hey bro, i did this https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2971134065

[cedar nimbus]

is it possible to make the kingdom title also follow that event where you give the dragonstone duchy to your heir?

[chilly jackal]

Hey, so I noticed with the mod, if you attempt to diverge culture under Dragonstone, it no longer allows you to adopt the Born of the Blackwater tradition since it says you're not located in Blackwater Bay for some reason.

[lunar egret]

It does

[cedar nimbus]

really?

might be my save is old

[tall socket]

Huh, I'll have to look into that when I have the time.

[tall socket]

That should work now!

[tall socket]

Man, I would love it if the kingdom-tier Dragonstone was eventually added to the base mod. Because I've encountered 1 new issue that I'm struggling to fix. Thankfully not game-breaking or mechanics-related issues. Just lore inconsistencies. I may need some help with it.

The issue is that all holders of Dragonstone before Aegon are referred to as "Prince" instead of "Lord". In this case, I know why it's happening. Valyrian holders of the Kingdom rank, by design, are referred to as Princes/Princess because it works for Targaryen rule of Westeros. I just don't know how to change or work around it.

I guess I could make it so the Kingdom of Dragonstone is only created when it's given to Aegon's heir, but that would mean changing all the Dejure lieges of blackwater to basically what it is in the base mod JUST for Aegon's Conquest. Which seems like a jank solution. Isn't there something I can put in like "If after X date, call them Prince, if not, call them Lord"?

It works fine for the Baratheons because the "Prince" title requires Valyrian heritage. But character-wise, there's no consistent difference between post and pre-Aegon Targaryens that I could take advantage of in the code, is there?

Or I could make it so Aegon creates it himself but then HE alone would have the Prince title as an independent Dragonstone. Is there a way I can do a "Is NOT X character?"

[lunar egret]

Would it not fix if you destroyed the Kingdom titles and all dejure high lordships under dragonstone until after the conquest? So historically all land that was under the targaryens on dragonstone could still historically exist under the Dragonstone high lordship instead of the dragonstone Kingdom UNTIL after the conquest? (I am probably misunderstanding the problem and I also don’t have that much backend knowledge in CK3 so that might break everything I have no idea)

Additionally if you changed the High Lordship to refer to its holder as “lord” and if you destroyed all new titles pre conquest would that have any effect?

[cedar nimbus]

Well title history always uses the present title, so nothing can change it. It’s a vanilla thing

[lunar egret]

right but if we have the K title refer to them as Prince and the D title referred to as Lord is there anything that would break with that? We don’t really need the D title to appear anymore

[tall socket]

yeah, that's what I was thinking. Just seems a bit janky to have all that DeJure change after the Conquest. And, in theory, whenever the Aegon's Conquest bookmark is added (which I assume is faaaaaar off from now), there may be no way to form the kingdom of dragonstone or its duchies under it through gameplay. Though maybe that's a far future problem.

[lunar egret]

Yeah it definitely sounds jank but if it fixes the issues it probably wouldn’t need to be touched again for atleast a year lol

I assume the conquest is atleast a year off

[tall socket]

And maybe when the time comes, a decision to form K_dragonstone and its duchies could deal with that.

[lunar egret]

could be part of the decision to form the E Iron Throne title if you’re of valyrian heritage?

alot to pack into one decision but kinda seems the most streamlined

[tall socket]

The specifics of that I think is best to think of when the bookmark is out. Too much can change hypothetically in the main mod that doing it now seems kinda pointless.

Which as you said, probably at least a year from now, if not way more.

[lunar egret]

Yeah totally fair

[tall socket]

I'm just trying to make this mod require as few changes as possible in the long-term

[tall socket]

I think I managed to fix it all. Fun fact, looking through, I found out that Aegon's maternal grandmother is alive and well at the start of the conquest. Good for her!

[lunar egret]

Compatcherino plz

[tall socket]

Mod updated! I believe the author of Heirs of Dragonstone had said they don't intend to update their mod, so I decided to make this one standalone.

[lunar egret]

Ur awesome

[proud stirrup]

Is this still needed? Would having this fix the new main mod issue with Celtigar and Velaryon court event asking for Dragonstone title that someone else has reported?

[lunar egret]

that happened w this mod too tbf

[proud stirrup]

I never noticed

I always give title back to heir as soon as I can so that might be the reason

[tall socket]

Not really. Most of this mod's features are now base mod (with a few nonessential exceptions). I also didn't really make any changes that would have prevented that court event, so presumably it would have happened in my mod as well. I guess I was just lucky that I didn't get it.

[proud stirrup]

I assume it happens if you don't give the title to your new heir after you ascend

That's why I never noticed

[lunar egret]

I would always wait for the heir to be old enough which meant everybody asked for it all the time lol

[floral shadow]

Yeah the devs just decided to add what this mod added but with a minor change

[modern nova]

So, this is no longer needed?