#Vampires Melee in Clash/Versus?

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snow venture
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I'm so utterly confused.

Captain Unit: Vampire = Armour
Player Unit: Vampire = Melee

Please see screenshots. facepalm112

Why are Player side Vampires "Melee" in Versus, but armor everywhere else? They even still have the armour in the description, which conflicts with the "Role Melee" and when you SORT by "Armour" that's where the Vampires show up.

I don't know exactly when this change was made, as I only just realized it on the last versus we had after someone in chat asked me "why did you put down stronghold for vamps, it's melee unit" and I was like "what? no it's not! It's an armour unit." and then sure enough, it says "Melee" on viewer/player side ... It's SUPER confusing for everyone, new and vetern players alike. I thought it was a typo and I've been playing SR for years.

Why change it for different game plays AND for captain/viewer? Makes absolute no sense. Please change vampires back to Armour for everything to keep it consistent across the board.

Thanks for listening. CatricornHeart

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copper horizon
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Essentially, this might either get undone or brought game-wide .. but for now it's in a between-state. I'd like to see CTV make a decision on that one sooner rather than later, since it is confusing for it to not be universal.

copper horizon
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Honestly, once the Phantom is out the door it'd be great to see them spend March on updating Unit Specs and Stats - as well as another Power Level update to tackle that system's 3 main flaws/problems.

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It's getting a bit old to see all the new units pumped out, without fixing existing (including recent) ones. So it'd be the ideal moment to decide the fate of the Vampire, as well as tackling the duds across the game.

copper horizon
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As for another comment touched on here - I do wish we'd see Versus-specific stats retired altogether, really. Make things easier to learn again by having it be universal / consistent again for all game-modes.

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Unit Souls work in Versus, so new communities do under to the veteran communities usually anyway still - defeating a big portion of why the Versus stats were supposedly separated.

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All the separation of stats has done is increase the barrier of entry, as your knowledge about Campaign doesn't necessarily carry over to Versus now.

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It's not surprising Clash has seen generally the same few Captains do it and dominate it the past 9 months, all things considered. Getting from Versus in an hour what we get from Dungeons in 10 minutes is a stark contrast.

old oriole
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I’ve always thought the only design problem with Vampire is the specs. Bloodlust and Grand are too similar. Vengeful is a blank ability until it dies, then it can steal kills from surviving Vampires.

old oriole
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Similarly, the abilities on Purifier Mage, Ravenous Warbeast, and Knight Templar should be replaced with generic abilities.

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I have a lot of ideas for improving these kinds of bad specs, but I don’t know if they are interested in reading unsolicited ideas.

copper horizon
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Feedback and suggestions go hand in hand, in my book. Make a new thread when you feel you gathered your suggestions in a digestible format, ready to post. Post them!

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The last spec update was basically exactly 2 years ago, and it didn't move the needle much. It's time all spec options become viable - which means replacing some specs entirely.

umbral umbra
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I was JUST coming in here to comment on this because I noticed this very thing today when running Versus. I was aware of the updates to the Vampire being made a Melee unit in Versus, but the Captain unit was clearly missed in this update. To clear up the confusion, the Captain side might need a quick review just to make sure everything is cohesive with the viewer/player side. DoveLove

cc: @regal hatch

snow venture
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It’s not just that @umbral umbra but they need to be added to the “melee” line up in versus at least so it’s not listed under armour anymore if they do make them all melee including captain unit

Currently, captain is armour, viewer is melee, but they’re ALL found under “armour” when you click sort to find units for the battlefield. Also the descriptions need to be updated not to say anything armour related. This would make using spells easier too.

IMO, I want them to all be armour across all game plays, not changed for versus. But that’s just me. Other people might like it but I personally don’t.

umbral umbra