#building-and-recc-chat

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foggy hazel
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why do you think i have been saying competition was good @stoic island ?

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:)

stoic island
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I mean

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why would they

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hardware lock PL

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when they have like 20 competitors that don't

earnest olive
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@barren crypt the motherboard has a hardware bios update button

cursive wharf
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At first their cards were good, then they changed production for some reason. Idk what happened

earnest olive
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so you will be fine to run the 5600x with it without needing another cpu

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just need to download bios onto a usb from another pc

stoic island
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@cursive wharf but anyways, fr, you sure about turing having hardware PL limits?

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I read about people flashing vbios and getting a higher PL on the 2070 I currently have

earnest olive
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i bought a ventus 2070 super, possibly the worst cooler ever

stoic island
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or do you mean only turing ventus cards

earnest olive
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thermal throttled pretty hard at stock

barren crypt
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wait

earnest olive
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needed to be undervolted by 150mV to stop thermal throttling

foggy hazel
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@stoic island consider this: take the concept of binning. And keep refining it. and you end up with hardware PL limits

cursive wharf
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I think their best 2080Ti was 450w/500w(Lightning X?). Even on custom loop (so no really exotic stuff) 2080Ti could do 630w

barren crypt
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will my ventus gpu have bad cooling

stoic island
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hm

earnest olive
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ampere ventus is alright

stoic island
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Ventus for 20xx and 16xx is bad

earnest olive
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we are talking about turing ventus

stoic island
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ventus for 30xx is good

earnest olive
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eh

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ventus for 16xx was ok

stoic island
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well, good for MSRP.

earnest olive
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the cooler was good enough for those lower gpus

stoic island
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@earnest olive heatsink just bad, the 16xx just weren't hot enough to show you how bad it was

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:P

earnest olive
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yeah

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that's what i'm saying

cursive wharf
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Im talking PL more for custom loop stuff, so ignoring all the stock cooling stuff

earnest olive
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the cooler design matters less when there's not much heat to begin with

stoic island
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eh

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oh well

earnest olive
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i did a few overclocks on gtx 1660 ventus and still stayed around 70C

stoic island
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you know what that means

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CUSTOM LOOP

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get it cool

earnest olive
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70C after 60 runs of fire strike extreme back to back

kind flax
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sips

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check you r dm

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your

earnest olive
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the 2070 super ventus climbed to 85C immediately and throttled to about 1700mhz

stoic island
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heh

earnest olive
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after undervolting to 900mV it would do 1890mhz at about 82C

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not quite throttling but on the cusp

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though in my defense

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it was the beginning of covid and it was literally the only 2070 super in stock

sharp viper
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hey guys i need help with a $400 pc list. im good with lists normally but not on the lower end

stoic island
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sad

earnest olive
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there was a 2070 super gaming x trio in the cart that went out of stock in the 3 minutes i was ordering the other parts

stoic island
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@sharp viper 400$ = used territory

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rip

sharp viper
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yeah true

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its for a friend

earnest olive
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if you want a $400 new build you're looking at a ryzen 5 3400G based build

stoic island
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sips no

earnest olive
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but used would get you much better performance

stoic island
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optiplex+1650s

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:P

earnest olive
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yeah i said if new

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optiplex + 1650S would crush it

stoic island
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yea

earnest olive
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well

stoic island
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I just don't like ryzen apus

earnest olive
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you'd need to add a molex to pcie adapter no?

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gets a little bit hairy there

sharp viper
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im good with higher end but ive never really made a pc with a low budget

stoic island
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I mean 1650

ebon matrix
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\

stoic island
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no need for extra power

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just plug n play

earnest olive
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or upgrade the psu

cursive wharf
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oh yeah, Trio was the standard highest end card. Lightning was the super rare one or smth

stoic island
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120$ optiplex + 150$ 1650 + 60$ mp34 512gb

ebon matrix
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sry my pumpkin pressed / then enter

stoic island
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is nice

earnest olive
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could plop an evga br in for $50 into a $100 optiplex and then put a 1650S in

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wouldn't be too bad

stoic island
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mobo connector

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95% of the time proprietary

earnest olive
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oh is it proprietary for optiplex

kind flax
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does anyoen know how to use gparted

stoic island
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all the ones I've seen

earnest olive
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cause i think floppa has an optiplex with a different psu

violet harness
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@earnest olive I put the desk price in there so I would know the full price

earnest olive
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he's probably the one to ask

stoic island
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I mean from all the images from listings I've seen

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ima just pull up ebay rq

earnest olive
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he's running a modded rx 570 in his optiplex

foggy hazel
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@kind flax yes

cursive wharf
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just make your own connector hahaha
plz dont, seriously

ebon matrix
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do ur guys parts get damage during shipping

earnest olive
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have had a few get damaged during shipping before

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@cursive wharf don't worry among us counts as electrician training right?

stoic island
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to start off, whatever the hell this is, I dunno where the mobo power even is

ebon matrix
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did u get refund sips?

earnest olive
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yeah

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of course

cursive wharf
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save like 40k+ (idk pricing) on Uni and just do Among Us electrician for training

ebon matrix
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k

earnest olive
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i give way too much money to amazon and newegg they're both interested in keeping me happy lol

cursive wharf
earnest olive
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in the US uni can easily be over 200k

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ugh proprietary psus/motherboards

stoic island
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dunno

earnest olive
stoic island
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I've been looking for it in that image

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just can't find it

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oh well

earnest olive
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i wonder what floppa did

stoic island
earnest olive
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stop i don't like these pictures

cursive wharf
earnest olive
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proprietary bad

stoic island
earnest olive
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yup that's 24

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and i see 4 pin EPS for cpu

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that one looks standard

cursive wharf
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but is the pinout correct?

stoic island
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lol

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that's true

earnest olive
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i hate that that's a valid question

lyric thistle
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there are two imposters among us

earnest olive
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the 24pin connector is an imposter

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😦

stoic island
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that's enough ebay digging

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mostly proprietary stuff

earnest olive
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i'm curious what would happen if you tried to run a 10900K under synthetic load with 4 pin EPS power

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would it just power limit throttle or crash

still bay
stoic island
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It wouldn't boot afaik

earnest olive
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oh really? interesting

stoic island
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@earnest olive thought they can only boot with a 8 pin eps

earnest olive
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it's like a gpu where it has a minimum requirement?

cursive wharf
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depends on mobo

stoic island
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I thought, am not sure

earnest olive
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cause there are some modern mobos with only 4 pin for cpu

stoic island
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on lga1200?

cursive wharf
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EPS 4pin could probs do 240w before melting

stoic island
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that's also true, but before melting is a high standard

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poor VRMs if it's a board with just 4 pin

cursive wharf
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and usually they do melt, seen that for EPS 8 pin

earnest olive
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@still bay if it's for gaming, a 5600X is better, mobo seems overpriced, ram is definitely overpriced for 3200c16, otherwise looks alright

viral ore
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3020, 7020, 9020 all proprietary, avoid
3010, 7010, 9010 SFF, MT, DT use 24 pin

cursive wharf
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some other guy tried pushing crazy power through a 8pin, it melted

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I think it was 500w - 600w

barren crypt
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is the Asus TUF GAMING B550-PLUS Wifi a good mobo

cursive wharf
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good, but pricy for what it is usually

barren crypt
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its 136 pounds

earnest olive
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i'm not sure if there are any H410 with 4 pin cpu power, i have seen A520 with 4 pin cpu power

cursive wharf
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I mean, also OEM stuff

earnest olive
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yeah OEM is more likely

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it does list support for the 9900K

stoic island
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9900k should be fine tho

earnest olive
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so it would definitely boot

stoic island
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10900k tho

earnest olive
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i don't think a 9900K can pull over 240W at stock though

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only a 10900K can

stoic island
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10900k at stock can't

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surprisingly, it stays close to tdp at stock.

earnest olive
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stock PL2 is 250W no?

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yeah it won't stay sustained 250W at intel spec stock

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but it can go there

stoic island
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spikes won't really melt anything

earnest olive
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most motherboards will unlock power limit time window anyways

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and run it at 250W stock

stoic island
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I doubt a h410 will xD

cursive wharf
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@barren crypt AsRock Pro4 b550M is like 99 pound and Phantom Gaming 4 is like 105 pound. TUF has no features that really make it worth the extra money unless you really need the better VRMs. Tho in that case I'd assume 5950x OC or something and you'd be getting a better mobo anyways. So basically, not really that great of a choice usually

earnest olive
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but i don't know if that applies to a $60 H310 board

stoic island
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dunno

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intel is weird

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maybe the mobo manufacturer just wanted to see the world burn

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one mobo at a time

earnest olive
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i bought a b550 aorus elite for $150 and i'm very happy with it

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better ram overclocking than my old b450 tomahawk max, vrms are good enough for an OC 5950x, has exactly the rgb headers i need and has sata ports on the bottom of the board

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having sata ports on the bottom of the board seems surprisingly rare on b550

cursive wharf
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If you need the VRMs and still maintain best quality at cheap price, TUF was the best last I checked given the price. Maybe good for like 5800x major OC or smth. Tho I did check some weeks ago now

earnest olive
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also noticeably better sound than the b450 tomahawk max

cursive wharf
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I mean, b450 tomahawk was garbage soundchip

earnest olive
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the b550 aorus elite has 14 phase that i believe can do sustained 200A for $150

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pretty beefy heatsinks on them too

stoic island
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I wonder

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12 cpu phases

edgy wagon
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@ebon matrix why are you so negative about peoples builds?

stoic island
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sic651

ebon matrix
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i say i dont like rgb

stoic island
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lemme see if I can find anything on it

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50a isn't anything special

ebon matrix
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@edgy wagon

cursive wharf
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14 virtual phases, 6+6 CPU with 2 SoC

earnest olive
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running prime95 small ffts on it right now at 82A EDC

edgy wagon
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ok

earnest olive
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VRM temps 34C

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and i have an aio so no airflow onto vrms from cpu cooler

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it's only a 3600X for now though so not exactly the best stress test

cursive wharf
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tho, still best within the limited pricepoint VRM wise

earnest olive
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yeah for $150 it's really really nice

stoic island
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supposedly performs like sic639s

earnest olive
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considerably cheaper than the tuf i believe

stoic island
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which no am4 boards use doublers for

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fun

earnest olive
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and yeah the b450 tomahawk max had the older realtek alc892 audio chip

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but the difference is still more than i was expecting

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this board gets 3800C16 stable while my tomahawk max couldn't

foggy hazel
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i would love for you to post that on reddit

stoic island
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heh

earnest olive
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post what?

foggy hazel
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that the "mighty" tomahawk couldnt save the world

stoic island
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VRMs should be solid

earnest olive
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eh, it wasn't a bad board

stoic island
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oh no he's been on reddit for too long

earnest olive
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i did buy it based on others' advice before i knew what a mobo did though

foggy hazel
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no bad products, just bad prices

earnest olive
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i got it for 115

foggy hazel
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and the tomahawks are badly priced for what they offer the regular consumers :)

stoic island
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I got a B450 gaming pro carbon ac for 110$ smh

earnest olive
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my ram ran at 3733C16 on it

cursive wharf
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b550 TUF plus was a bit cheaper then non mATX, but still worse VRMs

earnest olive
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i decided to upgrade it mostly because of the msi software

deep skiff
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tomahawk hasnt really been a popular board for a while since other b450 boards can support ryzen 3000 fine and b550

earnest olive
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dragon center pissed me off one too many times

stoic island
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uninstall is good

cursive wharf
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b550 steel legend is basically same as elite but SiC654 instead of SiC651 (VRM wise)

stoic island
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654 should perform the same as 651

earnest olive
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buit it's $189.42

cursive wharf
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you get LCD debug thing tho

earnest olive
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also doesn't have a sata port on the bottom like i needed

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yeah i won't deny that is nice

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b550 pro4 has post code display on the bios splash screen

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which actually saved me while i was doing a build on one

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told me that there was a faulty usb device

cursive wharf
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no BIOS flashback thing tho

earnest olive
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not sure i would have ever figured that out without that post code display

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the wifi adapter i bought for it was faulty and preventing boot somehow

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not a fan of having to plug in sata to the side of the board for cable management reasons

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bottom looks better

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which is why it surprises me that so many b550 boards only have sata ports on the right

cursive wharf
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use 90 degree sata cables

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tbh looks quite fine

earnest olive
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wouldn't work in this case

little osprey
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hey what would you say is a reasonable idle temp for an i5 9400f on a slightly better than stock air cooler?

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i'm trying to build my boyfriend a new PC for christmas , i'll save up to 1300$ and i want to make it good enough so he can play the VR i bought him last year (the rift S) can someone help me

earnest olive
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those sata and usb header cables stick out

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especially if you have white custom cables like i do

stoic island
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hm

earnest olive
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even more contrast

stoic island
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I might edit my lists to have a board with bios flashback for now

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but eh

earnest olive
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that's on a b550 pro4

little osprey
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THANK U

earnest olive
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hmm

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is that cheaper than the g.skill ripjaws v 3600c16 right now?

little osprey
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any tips for me anyone? i just wanna make him feel cared about and i wanna Blow his mind by building it myself

stoic island
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might need edits

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@earnest olive I choose it for a good chance at micron e die

earnest olive
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@little osprey you could get a custom engraved gpu stand with your names on it or something?

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fair enough

cursive wharf
stoic island
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wdym

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what's wrong with it

earnest olive
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@cursive wharf if it fits it sits

little osprey
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im not trying to Go overboard bc what if we break up 🤣🤣 then that's a GPU of awkward

earnest olive
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gpu stand not gpu

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it's $30 lol

little osprey
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Ooooooo

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YES

earnest olive
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you can get that custom engraved with anything

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so your names would work

stoic island
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mhm

little osprey
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that's so freakin cute!!

stoic island
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could be good

earnest olive
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good way to make it a more personal gift

cursive wharf
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hm, "awkward", but also spend 1.3k tho too

stoic island
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ima edit the list to be 1300$ for just pc

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@little osprey you sure you don't want a monitor with it too?

little osprey
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Ahahah money is no object to make him smile im not gonna think abt that

earnest olive
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i just bought one, the seller is really responsive and yeah you really can pick anything

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shipping takes a while though

still roostBOT
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Timtam#3227 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

earnest olive
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if it's for christmas i think the expedited shipping is guaranteed to arrive before christmas

little osprey
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Oh crap

earnest olive
cursive wharf
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what Im saying is that if you go this far, probs make it nice and personal

little osprey
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his computer is bad with good monitors

stoic island
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gah what is MSI doing with bad sound chips

ripe wedge
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or you could get one of those antisag brackets that is screwed in

cursive wharf
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thing here is that "good" can be subjective. Do you know what monitors?

stoic island
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Good PC can handle good monitors :p

earnest olive
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@ripe wedge i picked this stand to support any pcie slot height

little osprey
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uhhhh , he loves them? his best friends got them for him they're curved

earnest olive
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since i don't know which gpu i'm buying yet

ripe wedge
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ah

little osprey
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I have no idea im a dunce

earnest olive
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i want the 6800xt nitro+ which is 2.7 slots

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but might not be able to get it

ripe wedge
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I went yolo and im going without an anti sag bracket but it isnt starting to sag yet

earnest olive
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i wanted the 3080 aorus master 4 slots

stoic island
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alright if he's already got good monitors

earnest olive
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but can't buy 3080 :/

fallen oriole
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intel vs amd. what made you swap if you did ?

cursive wharf
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just cuz the GPU be rather powerful and the monitors might just be "decent" instead of "good". Depending on that it might be worth to get better monitors

earnest olive
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@fallen oriole look at product not brand

cursive wharf
little osprey
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Ah if so i'll let him take care of monitors so he can at least pick some stuff

earnest olive
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do you have access to his pc

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you could check what his monitors are

little osprey
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but i just wanna allow him to play the VR that won't work on his computer now

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Not rn im at work but i can soon

earnest olive
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yeah i meant in general

little osprey
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sick yeah i'll check

earnest olive
stoic island
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you OCed your g27qc?

little osprey
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BET

earnest olive
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settings > system > display > advanced display settings

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no it's 165hz out of the box

stoic island
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whaaa

earnest olive
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basically just factory oc

stoic island
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oh it is

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then why is g27q 144hz

earnest olive
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doubt it has any more meaningful headroom

stoic island
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thought qc was just a worse panel :P

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ig it was just the VA

earnest olive
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c stands for curved

little osprey
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That GPU is still outta stock

earnest olive
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I'm a fan of curved

stoic island
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mhm

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it comes in stock once in a while

earnest olive
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if you can't snag an rtx 3070 keep an eye out for the rx 6800 launching soon

little osprey
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and i'm not super worried about looks as much as i am worried abt performance since he streams and wants to play the VR

stoic island
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3070 is basically a requirement for a 1000$+ PC nowadays

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@earnest olive did you see that article with Asus being concerned about selling out 6800 right away?

earnest olive
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rx 6800 streaming encoder isn't as good but gaming performance is better

stoic island
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so dunno

earnest olive
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they said minutes

stoic island
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pff you know they mean less, and they're admitting it, which is concerning...

earnest olive
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if it lasts 1 minute then it was already in stock for 600 times longer than rtx 30xx

cursive wharf
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do we know much about rdna2 encoder?

stoic island
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@earnest olive remember, 30xx technically lasted 10 minutes per launch

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that's what they were saying

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:P

earnest olive
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what a joke

stoic island
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exactly

earnest olive
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I was there at launch lol

little osprey
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Thank u guys for ur help so much! i'll be back with questions later on 🤣

stoic island
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so I seriously wouldn't bet on it with what Asus said

earnest olive
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went from coming soon to sold out instantly

stoic island
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Before this, no one admitted any stock issues premptively

earnest olive
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sad

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could just be asus covering since they see how mad people are about 3080

stoic island
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It's just concerning, anyways, I'm not too optimistic for the launch

earnest olive
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i have hope since it's on a more mature node than rtx 30xx, but at the same time supply constraint on wafers

cursive wharf
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GN having fun...

refresh
coming soon
refresh
coming soon
refresh
sold out
sad

stoic island
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what product

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oh wait

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lmfao

cursive wharf
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3080 launch

stoic island
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I remember now

earnest olive
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if I can snag a nitro+ 6800xt I'll be so happy

stoic island
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@cursive wharf I thought you were talking
https://store.gamersnexus.net/ for a sec

earnest olive
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I'm willing to pay 850

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200 over reference

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but I doubt it will be that high

cursive wharf
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isnt 6800 non XT 650?

earnest olive
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oh is it

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wait no

stoic island
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thought it was 550

earnest olive
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6800xt is 649 and 6800 is 579

stoic island
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hm

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580

viral ore
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6800xt is 679

stoic island
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wha

viral ore
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no

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its not

stoic island
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it was 650$ on the slides?

viral ore
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bleach is correct

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im just dumb

stoic island
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no I am

viral ore
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and i cant numbers

earnest olive
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i definitely remember people screaming about "50 less than 3080"

viral ore
cursive wharf
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im dumb cuz I cant remember numbers

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ha

earnest olive
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too bad 3080s are actually $50k

stoic island
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techie club = can't remember numbers club

earnest olive
viral ore
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rip

cursive wharf
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might have better luck in Hardware swap

cursive wharf
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seen fair few Ampere cards with MSRP+tax pricing

stoic island
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@ebon matrix you know what that is

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dechet

ebon matrix
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funko pop

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is pog

earnest olive
ebon matrix
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in case would look sike

stoic island
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lol

ebon matrix
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i agree

stoic island
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it is trash then

ebon matrix
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when i got a asus laptop for xmas i called is a sis

earnest olive
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i took a look at r/hardwareswap

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the 3080 model i want is being sold at 1100+

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mmm no thanks

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i can afford it but i'm not interested in supporting scalpers

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msrp + tax + shipping + a little bit for the seller's time still shouldn't exceed 1k

cursive wharf
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I look at Canadian HWS and it's rather good usually (and C-HWS is much worse in getting nice deals to to less demand). Due to the community they'll get a lot of hate for scalping prices too

earnest olive
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unfortunately i am not canadian

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shipping/import/export fees would be exorbitant

cursive wharf
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tho, taxes usually be high, 5% to 13% depending on province/territory

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usually 13% cuz most popular province

timber swallow
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fix it if i did dumb dumb mistake

earnest olive
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you don't need an x570 board

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you're using a single x16 gpu and no nvme gen 4

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pick up a b550 aorus elite and save some money

still roostBOT
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TrickzaBOT_YT#9960 has been warned

Reason: Duplicated text

earnest olive
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and you don't have to worry about a chipset fan either on b550

stoic island
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ok

earnest olive
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otherwise looks fine

stoic island
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have fun

earnest olive
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make sure your gpu fits in the meshify c

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especially if you plan to front mount that rad

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meshify c isn't the biggest of cases

stoic island
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go away

timber swallow
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how about know?

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now*

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god im dumb

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also anything i should replace to make it cheaper

fringe wharf
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When I turn off my pc I just click shut down right? Instead of sleep

timber swallow
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yes

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or unplug

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LOL

ripe wedge
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lol 1050ti with 2gb vram

earnest olive
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please do not turn off your pc by unplugging it

fringe wharf
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Lmao

frosty knot
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about the same as holding down the power button just faster

fringe wharf
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What’s the difference between shut down and clicking the power button

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On my case

earnest olive
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wait what the heck is that a $109 case with no psu shroud

frosty knot
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using the built in shut down command is nice to your hardware and software, it tells your operating system to pack up what it's doing you want to turn off

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using the power button is like taking your arm and shoving everything off the table screaming SHUT OFF NOWWWWWWWW

earnest olive
#

not using proper shutdown can cause file corruption if disk turns off in the middle of a write

timber swallow
#

2k for a pc...

#

how can i make this cheaper

earnest olive
#

i've gotten OS corruption before from hard shutting off a pc that got stuck during overclock tuning

timber swallow
#

kinda don't feel like using 2k on a pc even if it lasts for a while

earnest olive
#

not something you want to be doing regularly

#

you could tune down the monitor

#

rx 6800 will not hit 1440p240 in most games

timber swallow
#

monitor stays uwu

#

oof

earnest olive
#

in fact it probably won't even reliably hit 1440p144 in new AAA titles

#

maybe if you turn settings to low

timber swallow
#

bruhj

#

esport titles

south jungle
#

is X570 better than B550?

timber swallow
#

not AAA titles

earnest olive
#

spending more on monitor than gpu is not advisable

#

then go 1080p240

#

you don't play esports titles for looks

stoic island
#

@south jungle For the average person, those chipsets are essentially the same.

frosty knot
#

you're spending the extra 1k on your monitor and gpu

timber swallow
#

fair

stoic island
#

that's the simple answer

frosty knot
#

so, those would be spots that be the only spots to save money decently.

earnest olive
#

@south jungle only go x570 if you're running 1 gpu with more than 1 gen 4 nvme ssd, or multi gpu

#

otherwise b550 is enough

south jungle
#

I mean I want something with no USB 2.0 ports

stoic island
#

bruh what

earnest olive
#

why

#

you can use usb 2.0 for keyboard/mouse and stuff

#

it's perfectly fine

#

many usb devices do not need usb 3 speeds

south jungle
#

eh

stoic island
#

what's wrong with 2.0

#

like what's wrong with it, not just 'slow'

#

:P

south jungle
#

nothing

narrow rose
#

some even only work in 2.0 since 3.0 messes with wireless signals

earnest olive
#

@timber swallow you can also get a used monitor for the second one

cursive wharf
#

I mean, how many keybs/mice actually have a 3.0 protocol?

stoic island
#

Yea 2.0 can actually be more stable

timber swallow
#

is there a BIG difference between 1440p and 1080p?

earnest olive
#

i got a nicer monitor than that one used for $30 including power and hdmi cables

stoic island
#

for looks, according to people, yes.

timber swallow
#

@timber swallow you can also get a used monitor for the second one
@earnest olive oook

earnest olive
#

for esports? no

frosty knot
#

media devices are the only things that benefit from fast usb, keyboards, mice and peripherals typically work fine on slower usb

south jungle
#

what's the best for someone that's planning to use 1 GPU with at least 1-2 SSDs?

timber swallow
#

@earnest olive for chilling on disney plus or yt

stoic island
#

B550

#

monies

earnest olive
#

if you'd like to have 1440p for productivity like schoolwork

cursive wharf
#

@timber swallow entirely depends on size of display and viewing distance from display

timber swallow
#

is there a difference

earnest olive
#

then you could do a 1080p240 monitor and a 1440p60 second monitor

timber swallow
#

THAT SOUNDS SMART

earnest olive
#

@south jungle are both ssds gen 4?

timber swallow
#

U R A SMART PERSON

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THANK U SMART PERSON

earnest olive
#

b550 can do 1 gen 4 and 1 gen 3

#

but not 2 gen 4

south jungle
#

IDK yet but probably

stoic island
#

@earnest olive at that point we tell them to not get a gen 4 drive

narrow rose
#

logitech mx anywhere mouse only works well in my laptops 2.0 usb it gets all jumpy in the 3.0 port

stoic island
#

soooo

#

either way

cursive wharf
#

UW-QHD be better tho

stoic island
#

B550 great choice

south jungle
#

can you recommend one to me?

stoic island
#

no wifi, B550m pro4 or B550 PG4

#

need wifi, B550m pro vdh wifi

south jungle
#

I kind of need wifi

earnest olive
#

@timber swallow you can also downgrade on the cooler, the 5600x runs cool on basic air coolers already

#

you can always add wifi externally

south jungle
#

otherwise I gotta use a powerline adapter

cursive wharf
#

pro4 + WiFi AiC + antennas

earnest olive
#

no need to get a board with builtin wifi

#

usb wifi adapter or pcie wifi card

south jungle
#

I suppose that's true but what about an internal capture card I plan to add?

stoic island
#

oh true b550m pro4 has a m.2_e slot

south jungle
#

I don't want to use USB wifi

stoic island
#

it's not usb

earnest olive
#

my b550 aorus elite has 4 pcie slots

stoic island
#

it's m.2_e

#

i mean m.2 key e

earnest olive
#

yeah b550 pro4 supports wifi over m.2

stoic island
#

close nuff

still roostBOT
#
good_uzername#9330 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

south jungle
#

so you can use 4 GPU's if you really wanted to?

earnest olive
#

internal capture card doesn't need to run at pcie gen 4

cursive wharf
#

lets just remove all the annoying stuff and call it m2e

south jungle
#

right it uses the smaller one

earnest olive
#

top slot is gen 4 x16 for gpu

still roostBOT
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good_uzername#9330 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

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good_uzername#9330 has been banned for 10 minutes

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south jungle
#

ah

cursive wharf
#

how unfortunate

earnest olive
#

capture card can use a gen 3 slot without issues

#

so b550 will still be fine there

cursive wharf
#

not to mention, do we need more then NVENC?

south jungle
#

so what's best for me then?

earnest olive
#

b550 unless you REALLY want 2 gen 4 ssds

south jungle
#

I want at least type-c an

earnest olive
#

if you REALLY want 2 gen 4 ssds then money is probably not a consideration

#

so might as well x570

cursive wharf
#

I dont see RDNA2 beating Ampere much on raster unless OCing, so Nvidia might be a nicer option

south jungle
#

well I mean I'll spend 250 max I'd say on a motherboard but IDK yet

earnest olive
#

asrock b550 pro4 is like $135

#

my gigabyte b550 aorus elite was $150

#

you can find good x570 boards for under 250 though

south jungle
#

I don't know if I want asrock brand I was looking at MSI, ASUS, and GIGABYTE

earnest olive
#

it's just not something that most people need

stoic island
#

@south jungle basically

earnest olive
#

product > brand

stoic island
#

b550

cursive wharf
stoic island
#

model matters

sacred knot
#

whats the difference between b450 and b550 mobos?

south jungle
#

yeah

stoic island
#

@earnest olive b550m pro4 was 90$

#

@sacred knot PCIe gen 4 support

earnest olive
#

i personally ruled out any micro boards instantly

stoic island
#

breh

earnest olive
#

matx board in a td500 mesh would look comical

stoic island
#

save 40 bucks against atx

cursive wharf
#

just get small case

earnest olive
#

i mean

stoic island
#

MB311L then

cursive wharf
#

ez fix

earnest olive
#

i already had this case

#

and i've already spent way too much on aesthetics

stoic island
#

I still gib suggestion

south jungle
#

can I use the same case I used 15 years ago?

earnest olive
#

yeah i've done micro atx builds in the mb311l

stoic island
#

prob not

earnest olive
#

good case

stoic island
#

depends

earnest olive
#

does it have ATX mounts?

stoic island
#

size might be wack

cursive wharf
#

erm, you want to spend a whole bunch on mobo but save money on case?

stoic island
#

15 years ago...

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lol

south jungle
#

no idea

stoic island
#

MX330-g air at 55$

earnest olive
#

i think ATX was a thing 15 years ago

#

so it might be

#

but like

south jungle
#

send me some links if possible

earnest olive
#

15 years ago airflow wasn't really a big concern

stoic island
#

the cursed top mount psu

earnest olive
#

so your 15 year old case probably won't be very good

south jungle
#

yeah I was kidding lo

#

lol

earnest olive
#

15 years ago it was abnormal for gpus to even have any external power connectors

timber swallow
#

k

#

wat else

earnest olive
#

now we have gpus drawing half the wattage of a literal room heater

stoic island
timber swallow
#

while im doing hw wat else me missing

#

oookkkkkkko

stoic island
#

nooo

#

b550m pro4 price gone

#

sadd

earnest olive
#

@timber swallow i don't like that case

stoic island
#

pg4 too

earnest olive
#

$108 and it doesn't even have a psu shroud

stoic island
#

I might have to send the cursed ds3h

earnest olive
#

no point going that low

#

this is not a budget build

stoic island
timber swallow
#

@earnest oliveit's a sub 2k build

#

hopefully

earnest olive
#

talking about the other person

timber swallow
#

so i have money for the rest of the room

#

oh

#

lol

earnest olive
#

what esports titles do you play

#

32gb ram is not necessary

timber swallow
#

im going to do video editing and photography

earnest olive
#

ah okay

timber swallow
#

plus this is pc for like 3+ years unless i become a ytber and make 5k in 3 months

#

or something

#

lmao

#

different case

earnest olive
timber swallow
#

page not found

#

lmao

earnest olive
#

i fixed the link

#

you can run it with the stock cooler and upgrade later if you want quieter

#

but the temps will be fine with stock cooler

stoic island
#

is good

earnest olive
#

5600X runs even cooler than 3600

#

so the stock cooler really is enough

crude hazel
#

@stoic island what was the air cooler you recommended always again? I may go air cooler after all my crazy z63 thinking

stoic island
#

hm?

#

I have a ton

#

depending on budget, NH-U12a for high end

crude hazel
#

i remember yesterday you recommended

#

but forgot

stoic island
#

Gammaxx 400 for low end

#

and a ton of different things inbetween

crude hazel
#

sweet. high-end for sure

earnest olive
#

i heard some good things about the dark rock pro 4

crude hazel
#

MHMMM

earnest olive
#

that is one chonky heatsink

#

almost comically large

south jungle
#

what about something with more USB ports?

stoic island
#

@earnest olive tbh u12a is gonna become my go to now

#

it's a d15 without interfering with ram

#

with the godly nf-a12x25s

earnest olive
#

i'm the wrong person to ask about high end air coolers though

crude hazel
#

are those noctua fans replaceable though?

#

since im not into the brown look

earnest olive
#

i bought an aio cause it had a pretty snowflake on it

#

lol

crude hazel
#

i want a z63, but for long term cooling idk

stoic island
#

@crude hazel here's the thing

earnest olive
#

i'm happy with its thermals and performance too, but the snowflake made me pull the trigger

#

i already had a decent air cooler

stoic island
#

Noctua fans, especially nf-a12x25 is unbeatable in performance

#

I was going to say almost unbeatable, but I can't think of anything that'll even threaten it's throne for noise normalized perf

earnest olive
#

btw the reason why noctua doesn't automatically make their fans all black is because painting them actually changes some of their characteristics

stoic island
#

mhm

crude hazel
#

oooooo

earnest olive
#

so that's why they have chromax fans and then also still have brown fans

stoic island
#

@crude hazel if you want to wait, they're working on NF-A12x25 chromax for q1 2021

#

Noctua spends literal years for development of each product

#

NF-A12x25 itself took what, 3 years?

earnest olive
#

and honestly

stoic island
#

powder-coating heatsinks like D15 took them what, a year to two to perfect?

#

And they are really good because of the work they put into them.

earnest olive
#

i'm a fiend for monochrome builds with white lighting, but i still think a no-lighting build with some brown noctua fans looks sweet

crude hazel
#

i can wait, since the 3080 and 5900x stock isn't coming this year 😛

#

yeah i finally grew myself out of "why do i need rgb on every component"

#

so some parts im willing to do performance over looks

#

goodbye z63

stoic island
timber swallow
#

for me ROOM will be rgb but the pc nahh

stoic island
#

I didn't even know they're going for a new fan hub

crude hazel
#

@timber swallow exactly what im thinking. pc can have some clean to it

red sage
#

is the ASUS TUF Gaming B550-Plus good for the price

earnest olive
#

you'll pry my white rgb from my cold, dead hands

#

i love my white rgb

timber swallow
#

@stoic island should i do one 75hz 1440p monitor and one 1080p 240hz monitor like sips said or somethin else

crude hazel
#

damn Q3/4 has a new generation of coolers

timber harness
#

Hey yall can you help me

#

Does my MOBO have a display port

#

I'm confused

#

Website does not state it does

earnest olive
#

ryzen 5 3600 does not have integrated graphics

#

so it really doesn't matter what video outs are on your mobo

stoic island
#

@foggy hazel by the way, you think they can make NA-FC1 even more overspecced, this time with 8 different 4 pin headers (moar fans, or maybe this time they'll do RGB..?), and do you think they could finally build in the rotosub thing I was talking to Hei about in cooling a while ago?

earnest olive
#

because none of them will work

timber harness
#

wdym

stoic island
#

Motherboard display outputs are only for iGPUs

earnest olive
#

mobo video outs are only for integrated graphics

timber harness
#

Oh its from my card

#

Gotcha

earnest olive
#

you will be connecting monitor to the rtx 3070 directly

stoic island
#

@crude hazel only NH-D15 replacement tho

earnest olive
#

and it has displayport

timber harness
#

Sweet

stoic island
#

it's the very chonky boi

timber harness
#

Also

earnest olive
#

2 hdmi and 3 displayports

timber harness
#

Do yall think this is all gonna fit

foggy hazel
#

@stoic island when is the wedding?

stoic island
#

Noctua deskfan is gonna be interesting

timber harness
#

Im worries about sized

earnest olive
#

the td500 mesh is a very large case

timber harness
#

sizes

earnest olive
#

it will fit

stoic island
#

Q4 2020

crude hazel
#

oh damn that boi is chonk

timber harness
#

Even with the 3070?

earnest olive
#

you can fit multiple 3090s in it lol

stoic island
#

I have a D15, I can vouch for the size of the chonky boi

timber harness
#

Sweet

earnest olive
#

not that you should

#

but you can

crude hazel
#

@foggy hazel i grew out of the z63 bro xD

foggy hazel
#

no no, i mean, between you and the NA-FC1

timber harness
#

Is the airflow good

earnest olive
#

also you chose a really small 3070 anyways

#

it's a dual fan 267mm

timber harness
#

Sweet

earnest olive
#

there are 1660 supers larger than that

stoic island
#

Q4 after seeing the replacement >:D

foggy hazel
#

tsk tsk

earnest olive
#

td500 mesh has good airflow yes

timber harness
#

Is the power supply enough yall

earnest olive
#

yes

#

more than enough

still bay
#

oh and with a 5600x

foggy hazel
#

@crude hazel hm?

earnest olive
#

you could realistically get away with 550W but wouldn't recommend doing so

#

650W won't be any issue

timber harness
#

Sweet

crude hazel
#

remember that build you help me with and was like that fan was a big problem

#

price wise

#

I'm changing it naed

earnest olive
#

naed helps too many people a day, send a link instead of asking him to remember

timber harness
#

Would yall be interested in helping me with my build when I do it

#

In like a month

earnest olive
#

@still bay still think the mobo is overpriced

#

and in a $1500+ budget build you can afford a better ssd than crucial p1

still bay
#

bro i ahve a 970 evo and someone said no point get a crucial p1 its cheaper

timber harness
#

Is it not okay?

still bay
#

iad

stoic island
#

m p 3 4 time?

still bay
#

had

#

the mobo stays on.

earnest olive
#

mp34 or sn750 would be better options

red sage
#

is the ASUS TUF Gaming B550-Plus good for the price

still bay
#

if u know what mobo im buying (x570 taichi) then you'll know my mobos arent arguable

earnest olive
#

both are around $68 right now and are significantly better than the 970 evo

#

i mean

#

significantly better than the crucial p1 lol

#

the 500gb 970 evo is actually at a decent price right now

timber harness
#

But not 1tb right

earnest olive
#

but it's not really significantly better than those two

still bay
earnest olive
#

seems fine

#

not gonna argue with you about mobo

still bay
#

excellent

#

glad we agree

earnest olive
#

just make sure it has hardware bios flash

still bay
#

a who what now

earnest olive
#

unless you have an older ryzen on hand

#

it's not guaranteed to be compatible with ryzen 5000 out of the box

still bay
#

if it isnt ill get ad iff one

earnest olive
#

i checked it says it has bios flash button

#

you're fine

still bay
#

does a bios flash button just auto update bios or what

earnest olive
#

it allows you to update bios via USB

stoic island
#

lets you update bios with a usb drive

#

without cpu

#

without gpu

earnest olive
#

all you need is mobo and power

stoic island
#

and maybe without ram

still bay
#

and a cpu or no

earnest olive
#

the entire point is

#

you can update to a bios that supports ryzen 5000

#

without needing a ryzen 3000

#

so no

#

you don't need a cpu for bios flash button

south jungle
#

bababoi

still bay
#

wait so

#

why dont budget builds just go b450

earnest olive
#

they do

stoic island
#

really budget builds

earnest olive
#

any balanced build with a ryzen 5000 is no longer a budget build

stoic island
#

mhm

earnest olive
#

since the minimum gpu you'd be wanting to pair with a ryzen 5000 is like, an rtx 2080 super

stoic island
#

honestly a b550m hdv being 80$ evens out a lot of the 'saved' money from b450 for the upgradability

earnest olive
#

budget builds are still going ryzen 3000

stoic island
#

mhm

earnest olive
#

i believe not all b450 boards are guaranteed to get support for ryzen 5000

stoic island
#

mhm

earnest olive
#

and if they are it's not guaranteed to be soon

stoic island
#

it's a board by board basis

#

we're supposed to know around jan 2021

earnest olive
#

all amd really said was "we won't stop board mfrs from adding support"

stoic island
#

it was more "we'll work with em, but they're gonna do most of the work"

earnest olive
#

something like a gigabyte b450m ds3h getting ryzen 5000 support is questionable

#

although the vrms should be enough for a 5600x

foggy hazel
#

"since the minimum gpu you'd be wanting to pair with a ryzen 5000 is like, an rtx 2080 super" <- i dont agree on the GPU part there @earnest olive

#

for a gaming build? okay-ish

#

for a build in general? no.

earnest olive
#

yeah i meant for gaming

#

my bad

foggy hazel
#

fair enough :)

earnest olive
#

5950x + gt 710 is perfectly valid for workloads that don't scale with gpu acceleration

#

though i would not call a build with a $800 cpu a budget build either

#

gonna want some good board and cooling

foggy hazel
#

aye aye

#

not calling it budget at all :)

#

going to be interesting to see how far down the binning gods makes AMD go on the cpu stack thou

earnest olive
#

now i want to see a really tricked out 5950x build with a gt 710

brittle tinsel
#

Anyone know the quality of SILVERSTONE LSB01 RGB LED HUB?
I’m building a rig that has a lot of rgb and 2 rgb headers won’t handle 9 fans so I’m looking around for a hub instead of A 1-2 splitter

barren crypt
#

a couple changes

earnest olive
#

sorry, i don't know anything about rgb hubs

barren crypt
#

faster SSD

#

quieter 3080

#

different motherboard

#

better memory with die

earnest olive
#

should be fine

#

just make sure your cable management is really on point if you're putting a micro board in a mid tower

barren crypt
#

ive never made a pc before

earnest olive
#

it's not easy to make that look good

barren crypt
#

alright i might switch back one second

earnest olive
#

some mid towers have extra routing holes for micro boards

#

some do not

#

here's a micro board in a mid tower that turned out not completely terrible

barren crypt
#

nice

earnest olive
#

the difference is that the first case has microatx routing holes

weak field
#

and the second one doesnt?

earnest olive
#

do you see any? 😛

weak field
#

no

#

looks the same

barren crypt
#

do i need 850w for 3080

weak field
#

recommended

#

not needed

#

for full power prolly

earnest olive
#

no, gpu manufacturers always over-recommend psu to cover their bases

foggy hazel
#

the second case, the builder just didnt use what was available there

earnest olive
#

you don't need 850w especially with a cpu with 76W PPT

#

yeah it's not good

barren crypt
#

alright i

#

i got the atx mobo again

earnest olive
#

but still it's harder to make it look good

foggy hazel
#

agreed Sips :)

still bay
#

okay can we get a poggers

earnest olive
#

i also wouldn't be super happy about putting a 3080 inside a micro tower for airflow reasons

#

but it would probably be okay

still bay
#

christmas build budget is 1,500-2,000.
i get 200 dollars (separate) for buildimg my cousin his PC
i get like 600 for selling my current pc

earnest olive
#

just a little less okay

#

coolermaster MB311L only has room for 3 slots height

#

unless you have one of the rare boards with gpu on the highest pcie slot placement

weak field
#

ye is your budget us?

earnest olive
#

2800 is enough to go pretty much all out as far as a gaming build goes

green kestrel
#

you'd be fine with a rig around 1000-1500

#

i wouldn't spend more than that

#

unless you're going competitive

#

and are streaming ig

weak field
#

i was asking ye because my budget is 1500 aswell and i wanted to compare

earnest olive
#

overspending on shiny toys is the spice of life

still bay
#

does the 5800x come with a wraith prism cooler

earnest olive
#

no

green kestrel
#

overspending on shiny toys is the spice of life
@earnest olive lmao

earnest olive
#

only the 5600x has a cooler out of the ryzen 5000 stack

#

and it's wraith stealth

green kestrel
#

yeah

earnest olive
#

good thing you have ample budget for a 360mm aio

green kestrel
#

and here's one that did
@earnest olive cute motherboard

earnest olive
#

alright I'm going to go study now y'all have fun

barren crypt
#

this guy on another server pc building one

#

had a 600 USD budget

#

but max 700USD

#

and he was going to buy

#

a GT 710 with 1GB VRAM

#

an i5-small number

#

2 DDR3 4GB memory

#

a motherboard thats more expensive than a Asus STRIX motherboard that looked like it was from 1998

green kestrel
#

i5 small number

barren crypt
#

it was like

#

i5-49XX

#

lucky he found the server before he bought it

green kestrel
#

ohh

#

lol

barren crypt
#

he nearly spent 100 on Windows 10 home

green kestrel
#

💀 💀

#

bought my key for 13 bucks

still bay
green kestrel
#

cuz im cool like that

barren crypt
#

you get

#

a 3090

#

with a 2800 budget

still bay
#

nah itll be super over budget then

barren crypt
#

you get a 3090

green kestrel
#

buy another ssd

still bay
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my budget is more like 2500

green kestrel
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only 1tb

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thats small

barren crypt
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i have 1tb ssd

green kestrel
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buy like a hdd

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or an ssd

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still bay
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i already have a 2tb hdd

green kestrel
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oh

still bay
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and a 500 gb ssd

green kestrel
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whats the rpm

barren crypt
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this is what i can get with my full budget

still bay
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its a seagate barricada dw about that

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still bay
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sorry i dont speak n o n - p r i v i l e d g e

crude hazel
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says the one with a 2500 budget

green kestrel
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why the taichi

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https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/fPxVwz is this a good high-end pc for less than 5k for streaming, video editing and 4k gaming (single Player)? I made so many adjustments after many great opinions.
@crude hazel what currency is that that cooler is not 140

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aud

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you have a 5000 budget

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and buy a 3080

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other than that

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why the taichi
@green kestrel bc it looks sick im not changing it, only thing i'd change is it for a b550 taichi

barren crypt
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its good i think

foggy hazel
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@barren crypt currency.

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dont take my word on it

green kestrel
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5400rpm

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with a 5k budget

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bc im dumb and stuff but

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@green kestrel ask for use case before you judge

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couldn't you find another hdd

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does 5000 gen ryzen prefer 2xA or 4xA (a being gb of ram)

green kestrel
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with 7200rpm

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does 5000 gen ryzen prefer 2xA or 4xA (a being gb of ram)
@still bay yeah

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when going with ryzen

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WHICH ONE

green kestrel
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both

still bay
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bruh

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lol

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quad channel and dual channel are fine

foggy hazel
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@green kestrel there is a difference.

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brooooooo do i get 64 gb of ram lmaooooooooo

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no

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yes @green kestrel

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no

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i wasnt talking to you

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i was replying to ye

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lmao

still bay
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i coulddddddddddddddddd

green kestrel
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yeahhhhh

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but it'd be a wasteeeee

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for all my hw it could be a good ivnenstment

foggy hazel
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@crude hazel give me a sec

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for all my hw it could be a good ivnenstment
@still bay you need like 700 tabs of homework?

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hw= hardware

still bay
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@still bay you need like 700 tabs of homework?
@green kestrel yeah

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do i have to clean AIO's

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@green kestrel yeah
@still bay 😂

foggy hazel
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fair

green kestrel
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what made you

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switch to an aio

still bay
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being fuckinngg rich

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jk it was just me being bored

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might just go wraith prism

green kestrel
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lma

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what are you editing

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like

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whats the footage quality