building-and-recc-chat

[foggy hazel]

pictures please :)

[deep sedge]

memoryz page and xmp info pages of both rams

[foggy hazel]

thank you

[stoic island]

@ebon matrix it's already in build pics :)

Also, I like that msi bios :)

[deep sedge]

thank you
@foggy hazel ☺️

yeah simple

[cursive haven]

how much better is the 3600 than the 2600x?

[ebon matrix]

cant find Mr111

[foggy hazel]

so, that confirms that the sticks ARE identical. try and manually raise the speed of the sticks a bit at a time @deep sedge

[stoic island]

Smh

[foggy hazel]

@deep sedge before you try that.

what bios version are you on?

[stoic island]

Side note, god damn, 4400c16 seems extremely high

[deep sedge]

e7c37ams 1b0

it should be latest

i updated this morning for 5600

[foggy hazel]

there is another one that dropped today

wrong, not today. but very recently

the v1c

not saying it will help

because it shouldnt.

[deep sedge]

😳

[foggy hazel]

but your memory also should work

but it doesnt

[stoic island]

V1b with AGESA 1.0.8 only for compatibility, V1c with AGESA 1.1.0 should actually help

[deep sedge]

my friend said , this ram is very new model and newegg info says recommended use is x390 motherboard so

maybe they are not compatiable yet

[foggy hazel]

newegg info is posted by the same people that sent you here.

[storm vigil]

Is the GeForce GTX 1650 good?

[deep sedge]

😭

[foggy hazel]

so, as i said before i asked about bios.

raise the speed in steps until you find the limit

[stoic island]

Naed, I'm not completely sure, but AMD said AGESA 1.1.0 was required for best performance instead of 1.0.8 for 5000 chips on that image (tryna find it), do you think that'll matter for ram?

[deep sedge]

sure but i just not understand why system just not reset itself and revert settings to default , i also updated my second build and 3600 was too high for b450

so system just restarted and i was able to use pc again

[weak field]

yeet

[deep sedge]

but in this , i cannot even see monitor light without reset whole bios

and i can install that bios update too , tomorrow it s np

[stoic island]

(Image in reference)

[foggy hazel]

@deep sedge depends on mainboard

@stoic island shrug

[deep sedge]

ok so i will update to new bios ver and increase frenquency one by one

i will try thanks

[stoic island]

Worth a try

[deep sedge]

👍

[light prairie]

really not sure if this is the right place to put this, but has anyone else rma'ed a mobo in covid times? if so, how long did it take?

[foggy hazel]

best of luck @deep sedge :)

[stoic island]

@storm vigil decent, it's a cheap card, can't expect too much.

[foggy hazel]

@light prairie depends on the vendor

the only time i personally saw any real impact was in the first total lockdown here

[storm vigil]

@stoic island I have an 800 dollar budget and the card is the only thing I’m not set on buying yet. I already have everything else

[stoic island]

I mean

800 budget usually gets you at least a 1660 super

try to get at least a 1650 super

[ebon matrix]

would u need a cpu cooler for r5 3600?

[balmy patio]

no

[weak field]

unless oc

[balmy patio]

well you do, but the stock one is fine

[stoic island]

You need a cpu cooler, but you don't need an aftermarket cooler

[weak field]

yEp

[uncut pelican]

Just put an ice pack on it

Done

[weak field]

ec

5$

[uncut pelican]

U eill have to replace it ever 30 seconds tho

[weak field]

cpu turns into thermite, “put ice on it”

[ebon matrix]

no ok

[uncut pelican]

D:

[foggy hazel]

its not "fun". its NOT helpful

[uncut pelican]

Dont need to be aggressive bout that thought

[foggy hazel]

all it does is confuse some people.

[uncut pelican]

Ig your right

[foggy hazel]

you didnt need to post it here either

yet, here we are.

[uncut pelican]

True statement

[weak field]

really think that some people are gonna put a ice pack on their cpu?

just a joke

[uncut pelican]

LMAO

[foggy hazel]

@weak field yes

[weak field]

you literally have to be a turtle to do that

[foggy hazel]

people are that silly.

[uncut pelican]

Nobody in the right mind would do that

[weak field]

just a joke

snowflake

[foggy hazel]

you are seriously underestimating the logical ability of people at large

[uncut pelican]

People are that. . .special?

[weak field]

not only to their mothers

[foggy hazel]

and @weak field "snowflake" <- was that aimed at me?

[weak field]

depends

are you gonna freak out

[stoic island]

Look, think about how LN2 OC works, and how that's basically the same principle of putting a bag of ice on your CPU.

[gaunt zinc]

Chill. Everyone.

[stoic island]

It's not that far fetched :p

[cursive haven]

whats better https://pcpartpicker.com/list/JbytnL or this (dont worry abt the monitor) https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZFygbh

[uncut pelican]

I dont suggest that psu btw

[vital warren]

well you have two completely different priced lists here

[languid nimbus]

Oop probably bad that I recommend someone come here for help when this chat is being blown up

[weak field]

ignore monitor

[vital warren]

oh yeah

[spark plover]

Hello everyone! I am looking for a piece of advice or guidance in the laptop market.
What do you think is a good laptop for streaming, video editing, and potential gaming (not on max settings)? Asking for a friend. 2 in 1 if possible.

[stoic island]

I'd switch out the S12iii if possible, it's not a great unit.

@spark plover well, need a budget.

[uncut pelican]

@spark plover Alienware and razor laptops are pretty decent but whats your budget

Laptips i can type

[stoic island]

Good suggestion is usually a Asus Tuf A15 for the 900-1400$ budget, depending on the config.

[uncut pelican]

My friend has one he likes it^

[spark plover]

Around 1000 US Dollars

[uncut pelican]

Ok thats a decent budget

[spark plover]

I'll try to get to a more specific number

[uncut pelican]

Lemme look rq

[spark plover]

Thanks, I appreciate it

[stoic island]

Yea I have a friend who liked it too

[languid nimbus]

https://www.walmart.com/ip/ASUS-TUF-Gaming-A15-Laptop-15-6-144Hz-FHD-IPS-Type-AMD-Ryzen-5-4600H-GeForce-GTX-1650-8GB-DDR4-512GB-PCIe-SSD-Gigabit-Wi-Fi-5-Windows-10-Home-FA506IH/610869911?wmlspartner=wlpa&selectedSellerId=3558&&adid=22222222228368785487&wl0=&wl1=g&wl2=m&wl3=462644946685&wl4=aud-834279576366:pla-948356001336&wl5=9012657&wl6=&wl7=1012990&wl8=&wl9=pla&wl10=113490549&wl11=online&wl12=610869911&veh=sem&gclid=Cj0KCQiA7qP9BRCLARIsABDaZziNmGEZ1B3D-3RT68mxGjXvkFXj8dPu5MT5OMtlP22EVTswK0TzHOEaAvLSEALw_wcB like this one, @stoic island ?

Oof that’s a link and a half

[stoic island]

Ya

On Newegg too

[uncut pelican]

@spark plover So would you be open to a desktop pc or is this a laptop only situation?

[spark plover]

Only laptop

[uncut pelican]

Alright

Budget flexible at all?

Or strictly 1k

[stoic island]

eek it's mostly 3rd party sellers on Newegg

[spark plover]

Upto 1200 taxes included

[uncut pelican]

Ok

[stoic island]

this config is shipped by Newegg tho
https://www.newegg.com/fortress-gray-asus-tuf-gaming-a15-tuf506iu-es74-gaming-entertainment/p/N82E16834235421

4800h+1660ti at 1000usd, not bad.

[languid nimbus]

there’s one on Amazon for like $820, but I’m not sure about the seller or anything

[weak field]

süsüs

[spark plover]

My friend needs it to be 2 in 1 though, other than that, the A15 looks fantastic

[stoic island]

2 in 1 as far as I know limits your options by a LOT

@spark plover what's the reason that they need 2 in 1?

[weak field]

whats a 2in1

[stoic island]

Like tablet and laptop

Flippy boi

[spark plover]

2 in 1 as far as I know limits your options by a LOT
@stoic island Totally

[weak field]

chromebook

get a chromebook

[spark plover]

@spark plover what's the reason that they need 2 in 1?
@stoic island IDK, it is for a friend

[weak field]

👍

[stoic island]

Please tell them to consider the A15

[languid nimbus]

Is the xps 15 2 in 1? Can’t remember

[spark plover]

Yeah I showed him

[stoic island]

Because if 2-in-1 is just a 'nice to have', it's worth the downside

Dunno about xps

Most gaming laptops need to be non-2-in-1 because cooling

[hoary lichen]

Mr1111 should i buy parts individually?

Or all of them together

[stoic island]

Buy them during the same time period

Same day

[spark plover]

I totally agree with you @stoic island

[desert gulch]

mr1 can you make a $800 budget pc list for a gaming pc, 800 is just for pc

[stoic island]

Same 2 days, but don't buy them over the course of a month

Eh I think I have a 800$ premade list

One sec

[hoary lichen]

Since i dont want the price to raise

[desert gulch]

ok cool

[stoic island]

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Mr1111/saved/2P8cbv

[hoary lichen]

And most of my parts are refundable until

January 31st

2021

[whole harbor]

@stoic island

[stoic island]

eh

[desert gulch]

thank you mr1

[stoic island]

maybe

[whole harbor]

@arctic jungle said that i shouldnt buy a pc rn cause of amd and stuff

@stoic island

[arctic jungle]

like

[whole harbor]

should i still buy a pc or nah?

[arctic jungle]

if you can wait

[stoic island]

what

you should wait

for avaliability

if that's what Antago was saying

[arctic jungle]

mm

[grave canyon]

i have had a lenovo yoga 720 15in from 2017

[hoary lichen]

Im impatient

[arctic jungle]

don't settle for subpar parts

[grave canyon]

it has a gtx 1050, so its not the strongest

but its a 2 in 1

[whole harbor]

@arctic jungle how long should i wait

@stoic island

[hoary lichen]

My build went from 711 to 777

In the past 3 days

[arctic jungle]

until more stuff is annouced and there's a steady nonscalped stock

[stoic island]

until it comes in stock

[arctic jungle]

rocket lake is announced q1

and the 3080 ti is RUMORED for q2

[hoary lichen]

Is the 3100 sold out or no

[whole harbor]

So i dont get this: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/LWjZwz

[hoary lichen]

[arctic jungle]

those will drive prices down

[hoary lichen]

Oh

I just realized me and @whole harbor are basically getting the same build

Except for the gpu

[stoic island]

@arctic jungle the 3080 20gb got canceled btw

[whole harbor]

what gpu are u getting @hoary lichen

[hoary lichen]

Here

[arctic jungle]

@arctic jungle the 3080 20gb got canceled btw
@stoic island odamn

that's a pain

[stoic island]

the 20gb stuff all got canceled

[hoary lichen]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/XcXH2V

[stoic island]

well they were never officially announced

[arctic jungle]

I wanted one for my system ;-;

[languid nimbus]

yeah, saw that article unfortunately

[stoic island]

but they're taken off all listings and stuff

idrc about the vram

[arctic jungle]

my average workload is 18-19 gb of vram

[stoic island]

I cared about 7nm tsmc, since that was the rumor

[arctic jungle]

so not even then 6000 series works

[stoic island]

oh well

rumors are rumors

[whole harbor]

[arctic jungle]

mm

[stoic island]

that's why we can't bet on em

[arctic jungle]

yep

[whole harbor]

[foggy hazel]

keep in mind, the 20 gig cards was rumoured to exist by the same people that "cancelled" that rumour

[hoary lichen]

What if i just spent 4000 bucks on a pc

[stoic island]

Yea

[hoary lichen]

Not stonks

[arctic jungle]

keep in mind, the 20 gig cards was rumoured to exist by the same people that "cancelled" that rumour
@foggy hazel lmaooooo

[hoary lichen]

Jk

[foggy hazel]

minor detail that a lot of people miss/forget

[hoary lichen]

I only have like 475 dollars saved up rn

[arctic jungle]

Ye I mean my setup is fine for now, it works, but still

gaming

[hoary lichen]

Should i start buying parts?

[arctic jungle]

i would wait till you have the whole budget

[hoary lichen]

Just maybe

[weak field]

monitor and keyboard aswell as mouse

start small

[arctic jungle]

that way if you need to make an adjustment, or something goes out of stock, ur ready

[hoary lichen]

Cyber monday is gonna help

And black friday

[arctic jungle]

buy things that wouldn't be affected by compatibility

ram

psu

case

gpu kinda

[stoic island]

uhh

[arctic jungle]

cpu mobo buy them together

[stoic island]

well

as long as you can return

[arctic jungle]

ofc

[hoary lichen]

On black friday

[arctic jungle]

make sure whatever ur buying has SOME return garuntee or warranty

but that's a given

[uncut pelican]

Im going to build my pc but I should probs learn how to install windows

[hoary lichen]

Ima prob see someone running out of walmart with 2 monitors

On black friday

[uncut pelican]

Lmao

[whole harbor]

are gpu and cpus going to lower in price after the 6000 series and 30 series

[hoary lichen]

Prob

[whole harbor]

and new cous

[storm vigil]

Installing windows is easy. I’m definitely not pirating it 😉

[uncut pelican]

are gpu and cpus going to lower in price after the 6000 series and 30 series
@whole harbor possibly

[hoary lichen]

Where do you guys even find pirated versions of windows

[desert gulch]

well price wise you cant get a zen 3 cpu for under 220

[uncut pelican]

On google

[hoary lichen]

The only pirating site i trust is

[desert gulch]

so i think the lower priced the lower 30 series cpus will stay price prettyu good

[hoary lichen]

Steamunlocked

Lmao

[foggy hazel]

@whole harbor re: lower prices: very very unlikely

[desert gulch]

^

[stoic island]

only pirating site I trust is

[desert gulch]

ebay

[stoic island]

||NO YOU DONT >:P||

[foggy hazel]

@hoary lichen keep talks about pirated content away from this server please.

[hoary lichen]

Yea

Sorry

[stoic island]

smh whatever pirating site you have I have one better

amazon.com

[desert gulch]

lol

[stoic island]

just have to pay

[storm vigil]

@hoary lichen well I’m not pirating it per say but I’m downloading it on a flash drive from another device and downloading it into my pc

[hoary lichen]

Thats what im doing

[desert gulch]

stop

[foggy hazel]

so @storm vigil .. you are just installing it.

[desert gulch]

naed already told you

smh

[hoary lichen]

Yea installing it on a flash drive isnt pirating it

[storm vigil]

@foggy hazel wel normally wouldn’t u have to pay for it on a new device?

[foggy hazel]

no

windows is free

[hoary lichen]

You still need the activation code

[foggy hazel]

no

[desert gulch]

yes

[foggy hazel]

you dont

[hoary lichen]

You dont

But then

[desert gulch]

if you dont want watermark you need key

[hoary lichen]

You cant customize your pc

[foggy hazel]

correct @desert gulch

[desert gulch]

you can set wallpaper tho

[storm vigil]

O ok I’m just dumb lol

[desert gulch]

by like right clicking on wallpaper

[hoary lichen]

Or wallpaper engine

[desert gulch]

but you cant customise wallpaper thru settings

yup

[foggy hazel]

right click on a picture and set as wallpaper/desktop background

[desert gulch]

yas

naed is it waffle time yet or no?

[foggy hazel]

temp has dropped over the weekend (by a lot)

so if this keeps up

yes, very soon

its like 3c outside now

[hoary lichen]

I kinda forgot that the reason i joined this server was so i could get a give away entry

Lmao

[desert gulch]

lol

[hoary lichen]

Im prob never gonna do water cooling

[desert gulch]

yeah its spendy

[hoary lichen]

Im too afraid

[desert gulch]

air cooling much easier

[arctic jungle]

??

what

[desert gulch]

and vitrually riskless

[arctic jungle]

no

[desert gulch]

yes

[arctic jungle]

AIOs are good

[desert gulch]

antago pours water into pc

[arctic jungle]

AIOs

[desert gulch]

no aio

[arctic jungle]

not custom loops

oh

[desert gulch]

aio bad for value

[arctic jungle]

ehh

not rlly

[desert gulch]

yes

[arctic jungle]

pros better than cons

for example, it looks cleaner

[desert gulch]

what are pros?

[arctic jungle]

less fragile

[desert gulch]

what are cons?

pump operated

[arctic jungle]

less price/performance

[desert gulch]

price

[arctic jungle]

eh

[weak field]

cooler cou

[arctic jungle]

not strictly true

[weak field]

cpu

ocing

[arctic jungle]

??

[weak field]

gameyr

[arctic jungle]

air coolers perform better, but AIOs are better overall

[hoary lichen]

I dont want to set up a whole loop system im good with my stock cooler

[desert gulch]

no antago

[arctic jungle]

mm

[slim creek]

the freezer has best value

[desert gulch]

ltt did a vid on it

[arctic jungle]

stock air cooler is only air cooler i'de ever reccomend if you don't need ultra cooling

custom loops are nice tho

[desert gulch]

nop

[arctic jungle]

I've built a couple

look so good

[desert gulch]

custom loop cringe

smh

[arctic jungle]

no

[desert gulch]

custpm air loops

[arctic jungle]

they look bad if you screw them up

[desert gulch]

antago build a custom air loop

[slim creek]

why buy a cooler of make a custom loop when you can put your pc in the fish tank

[hoary lichen]

Water cooling be like

[desert gulch]

true

[hoary lichen]

Your pc is on fire

Just un screw the tubes

And youll have special pc water everywhere

🗿

[maiden shell]

whats up guys? Can anyone point me in the right direction for building a new PC? Looking for some advice on something powerful enough to run solidworks without any hiccups. No gaming or anything, just modelling and rendering.

[hoary lichen]

Dont get i core

Get amd

[maiden shell]

I realize I may be in the wrong section, sorry about that if so

[hoary lichen]

[foggy hazel]

@maiden shell https://www.pugetsystems.com/all_articles.php

[hoary lichen]

Amd is more for editing or 3d rendering

[foggy hazel]

start there

and you are in the right spot technically @maiden shell

[dense basalt]

rx 5600 xt or rtx 2060?

[foggy hazel]

your choice @dense basalt

[dense basalt]

fine with me lad

[hoary lichen]

Id pick 5600 xt

[dense basalt]

fine with me lad

[foggy hazel]

different budgets and different brackets

[hoary lichen]

Im getting it

[maiden shell]

thank you guys

budget is roughly $1500USD

[hoary lichen]

😳

He got double my budget

[maiden shell]

I dont have anything but monitors at the moment.

[foggy hazel]

@maiden shell as mentioned, have a look at the Puget articles, the top one should be of interest to you

[maiden shell]

lol its for my business, easier to justify. Never built one before so want to do my best to set it up right for the next 5 or so years

Ill check those out, thank you @foggy hazel

[foggy hazel]

they are one of the only places that let out a solid selection of work/production/content related benchmarks

[hoary lichen]

Also

When you build the pc

Read the manual

Not all parts are the same as the ones you see tutorials on yt

[ebon matrix]

should i use a ryzen 5 5600x if i have a RX 5700 xt (asking for a friend)

[foggy hazel]

if you want to

your choice

[uncut pelican]

I am back

[dense basalt]

ryzen 5 2600 or 3600?

[weak field]

3600 faster

[dense basalt]

ik that

[weak field]

same core n theead

thread

[ebon matrix]

5600x dumi

[weak field]

oh yeah my bad

[balmy patio]

the architectue is also different

[dense basalt]

man it bottlenecks my gpu

o

now im green

kool

[balmy patio]

so you'll benefit from the 3600 more than the 2600

[spark plover]

@stoic island Excuse me, have you found anything suitable?

[rich dew]

hey i have some questions about building a gaming pc and i meed some help

[foggy hazel]

ask :)

[stoic island]

Hey, nah

@spark plover I assume you're taking about 2-in-1s, I don't know of any and didn't see any

[rich dew]

i have never built a gaming pc and i need some help deciding what parts to pick\

[foggy hazel]

budget and location @rich dew ?

[rich dew]

budget is sub 1000

[spark plover]

@spark plover I assume you're taking about 2-in-1s, I don't know of any and didn't see any
@stoic island Correct

[foggy hazel]

is that 600? or 999?

[rich dew]

600

[spark plover]

@uncut pelican Excuse me, have you found anything suitable in the 2 in 1 catalog?

[foggy hazel]

@stoic island you got your pcpp links at hand?

[stoic island]

I haven't made a 600usd build yet, but I do have 800 and 1000
https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Mr1111/saved/

[rich dew]

i have a pc build made here i will send you the link

[stoic island]

I'll go make a 600usd build

[rich dew]

https://newegg.io/860ad06

this is with a monitor and keyboard

[stoic island]

hm

it's gonna be weird with 9100f at a weird price now

[still bay]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/6dCZwz wil this pc be able to run among us?

[hoary lichen]

Ima just leave the monitor to my parents

Im paying for the pc tho

[still bay]

my friedn just wants to play basic games like among us and have school on it

[weak field]

no

need way more rgb

[still bay]

see i thought that too

[hoary lichen]

Also

[stoic island]

@rich dew I assume you'll want upgradability?

[still bay]

but i think the spare laptop will make up for it

[rich dew]

yes i will @stoic island

[stoic island]

k

[hoary lichen]

Lmao

[weak field]

maybe

barely

[hoary lichen]

200 dollar thermal paste

[still bay]

no one noticed that i literally built a bomb

look at the psu

[stoic island]

noooo BR500 is oos

[still bay]

200 dollar thermal paste
@hoary lichen well just incase i need some extra who knows

[hoary lichen]

The compatibility is also really not gonna work

[still bay]

itll work jsut fine

[weak field]

maybe the cpu wants to bathe jn the paste

[unborn zealot]

No it’s so you can apply paste to the pins

[hoary lichen]

Hmm really smart

[unborn zealot]

To make sure when your running at high usage the pins don’t melt

[still bay]

i plan on coating the whole pc in thermal paste

[stoic island]

done @rich dew
https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Mr1111/saved/r6mTnQ

[unborn zealot]

[weak field]

like paint?

ez

[hoary lichen]

Scratch all the pins and add thermal paste

[unborn zealot]

[hoary lichen]

Best pc

[weak field]

no

need 2 laptops

[hoary lichen]

Laptops are a waste of money unless you travel a lot

[unborn zealot]

Laptops are kinda shotty if you have a small budget imo

[still bay]

i travel to ur moms house a lot

[uncut pelican]

@uncut pelican Excuse me, have you found anything suitable in the 2 in 1 catalog?
@spark plover i have been looking at a few whats 2 in 1 catalog i probs know what it is but uhh im rly tired lmao

[weak field]

4 laptop then

[hoary lichen]

Nah

6 laptop

[weak field]

so you can cut the screens off and make a monitor

[still bay]

im thinking 8 persoanlly

just incase i lose 7

[hoary lichen]

Nah

[rich dew]

@stoic island impressive

[hoary lichen]

14

[rich dew]

i like the build

[weak field]

pog

baller

[stoic island]

:)

[weak field]

not as good as the school ones

[stoic island]

it's decent

[hoary lichen]

A 1650

🗿

[stoic island]

if I really chase it I might be able to get 1660s in there

[hoary lichen]

I mean for a 500 - 600 dollar build its good

[stoic island]

1650 super

not 1650

they're different

[rich dew]

yeah

[hoary lichen]

I forgot

[grim pagoda]

What do you guys think about this build https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/DZJpHz

[spark plover]

@spark plover i have been looking at a few whats 2 in 1 catalog i probs know what it is but uhh im rly tired lmao
@uncut pelican Ohh ok

[weak field]

could be better for your price point sleek

[static ember]

@grim pagoda thats mad decent, not sure if that cpu can handle more than 3000 mhz though, it should be able to

spec wise its decent, price wise ehh....+ or minus 50-100$ isn't going to make much of an impact unless you swap out the cpu and RAM specs

[civic meadow]

Hey guys, this is my first build in a long time. Any tips or criticism is welcome: https://newegg.io/d287899

[ebon matrix]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/pYRwcT

good?

[foggy hazel]

@ebon matrix i would persoanlly NOT use the tomahawk

nor would i buy a b450 chipset board now

@civic meadow i strongly recommend that you use PCPP for making lists, its a much more flexible tool than the newegg builder

[left shore]

Can someone help me out? I'm blue screening

[uncut pelican]

I suggest a b550^^^

[ebon matrix]

@ebon matrix i would persoanlly NOT use the tomahawk
@foggy hazel what should i use then?

[stoic island]

Try a B550m pro4 at least

[foggy hazel]

budget looks like roughly 1100 @ebon matrix , is that true?

[stoic island]

I'd suggest you swap the case too

[ebon matrix]

yes mostly 1000

naed

[jade dock]

whats a good case for under $50

[civic meadow]

@foggy hazel That's fair, I just used it to make it easier to order

[foggy hazel]

@civic meadow its obviously practical for that, but from a production selection standpoint and price pov, pcpp is what we prefer to use :)

@ebon matrix sorry, but mostly 1000 is that the same as "i would strongly prefer very very close to 1000"?

[jade dock]

no one gon awnser

ok i see how it is

[ebon matrix]

yes

[foggy hazel]

2sec then

[grim pagoda]

How much space does boot drive windows take up

[foggy hazel]

@jade dock people answer if they want to.

@grim pagoda with the standard assortment of programs installed, its about 60 gigs or so.

BUT, that is NOT a "okay" on using a 120gig ssd

[stoic island]

Dunno if there's a better case, but focus g is 46usd right now
@jade dock

[civic meadow]

@foggy hazel Will keep that in mind for next time. Is there anything about the build you would recommend?

[grim pagoda]

@foggy hazel I was going to buy a 1tb ssd for gaming

And 2TB hdd

[foggy hazel]

you could do what i normally recommend. Partition the ssd into two drives @grim pagoda

[grim pagoda]

What does that mean

This is my first time building a pc

[foggy hazel]

then in the case that you need to reinstall the OS, most of your games on the ssd wont be wiped

2sec

notice the C: F: and E:

[grim pagoda]

Yes

[foggy hazel]

Disk 2, is a SSD.

[stoic island]

Naed, any perf difference running games on the boot partition and not on the boot partition? Thought it was only a software difference in showing up differently..?

[foggy hazel]

nope

its just a software diff

[grim pagoda]

@foggy hazel is 1TB for gaming and making YouTube videos for a ssd and then a 2TB hdd

Enough

[foggy hazel]

yes?

it should be

[grim pagoda]

Ok

[stoic island]

That's basically what I do :P

[grim pagoda]

This is the build I’m buying https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/DZJpHz

[ebon matrix]

u in uk

[foggy hazel]

@ebon matrix sorry for delay https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xrXVwz

that list is based on parts you can buy NOW

however

IF you are just looking for a list that is for "later"

then depending on stock situation etc

it should be possible to push up higher

5600x comes to mind for the cpu

[vital warren]

woah what's up with that r5 3600

[sacred knot]

when building a PC, at what point should you add the exhaust fan?

[ebon matrix]

ty

[foggy hazel]

its just that vendor @vital warren

[vital warren]

whew

[stoic island]

Really depends on context @sacred knot

[vital warren]

i'm buying one soon and don't plan on spending over 200

[sacred knot]

wdym by context?

[foggy hazel]

@sacred knot we dont know what case you have, nor do we know anything about the rest of your build :)

[sacred knot]

ooh damn sorry

case is cooler master td500 mesh

wait

[foggy hazel]

@civic meadow let me just have a look :)

https://www.newegg.com/msi-b550m-pro-vdh-wifi/p/N82E16813144331? <- that is an option

[stoic island]

@sacred knot simple answer, if you look at GN testing, stock is fine

[little osprey]

I saw a "great deal" on a 3070, $3000

[stoic island]

the CPU temps can even beat some cases with stock exhaust

[sacred knot]

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/6Y4PVc

those are my parts

im only missing the case and the fan but im getting them relatively soon

its just that most build videos dont talk about the fan so i wanted to ask here

[foggy hazel]

@civic meadow https://www.newegg.com/team-group-mp34-1tb/p/N82E16820331309 that instead of the current ssd on your list. And ditch the cooler you have. the cpu comes with one

@civic meadow also, ditch the windows license for now.

[violet harness]

U can get one from urcdkey.com^ @foggy hazel

[ember badger]

Hey guys quick question, how safe is it to buy am4 mobos second hand (that look clean) to save a few bucks?

[foggy hazel]

@violet harness and why are you telling me that?

:)

[violet harness]

@violet harness and why are you telling me that?
@foggy hazel oops wrong ping lol

[ember badger]

Is it worth the 20 dollar savings or should I just get new to be safe

[foggy hazel]

@ember badger depends on the seller :)

[ember badger]

Facebook so they could be anything

[foggy hazel]

that answers your question does it not?

[stoic island]

The reason used is risky is because of the unknown factor.

[violet harness]

20$ isn’t worth it

[ember badger]

There's a b450 steel legend for 170 New Zealand dollars

[stoic island]

It's your luck and your money.

[violet harness]

Unless it was big savings, no

[ember badger]

Fair enough

[violet harness]

Not worth the risk

[ember badger]

Cheers

[earnest olive]

@ember badger stalk their profile make sure they're an actual person

[violet harness]

;o techie is typing

[earnest olive]

then ask for proof of it running

[little osprey]

if anyone wants to correct me

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/gMHqmk

[earnest olive]

cpu-z pic with motherboard tab is good

looks fine

what psu do you have?

[little osprey]

500 wat

aresgame

[earnest olive]

hmm never heard of it

[little osprey]

really good

80 bronze

[stoic island]

Wat

[earnest olive]

this?

[little osprey]

yes

[violet harness]

@earnest olive here’s my build https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/xzYqp2

1500fps on minecraft 🤠

[karmic bobcat]

You... you just tripled his cost

[violet harness]

I know

[earnest olive]

these costs looked very suspicious then i noticed it's canadian

[violet harness]

Big flexer

Yup lol

The build is so much cheaper in usd

[stoic island]

Bleach you want to edit?

[karmic bobcat]

You can definitely optimize that a bit better

[earnest olive]

hmm

[violet harness]

Idc

[earnest olive]

i'll have a go at it

i like how desk is now a PC part

[karmic bobcat]

Bruh. Ofc you don’t care it’s not your build lmfao

[violet harness]

If ur gonna edit mine, no point

[earnest olive]

did you already buy it

[violet harness]

No one can change my mind

[karmic bobcat]

Oh. That’s your build

[violet harness]

did you already buy it
@earnest oliveyes

[earnest olive]

enjoy

[karmic bobcat]

I thought you meant you were recommending it to Bleach lmfao

Mb

[jolly pilot]

Is a 600w psu enough for a 3600 and a rx 5600xt?

[violet harness]

1500fps on minecraft good enough

[earnest olive]

which psu?

600w should be fine if it's a good unit

[violet harness]

Is a 600w psu enough for a 3600 and a rx 5600xt?
@jolly pilot put it together in pcpp

[karmic bobcat]

It’ll be fine

[violet harness]

It has estimated wattage 🤠

[jolly pilot]

Its a thermaltake smart 600 80 gold i think

[karmic bobcat]

Yeah man that’s more then fine

[violet harness]

Its a thermaltake smart 600 80 gold i think
@jolly pilot I like your pit vipers

[karmic bobcat]

It also gives you room for OC’ing if you so desire

[jolly pilot]

ight thanks

yeah

[violet harness]

Very nice

[earnest olive]

hm

i can't find a thermaltake smart gold

i only know of the thermaltake smart white

which is.. frankly really bad

[violet harness]

@earnest olive how goes your 2tb ram?

[earnest olive]

is this it? it says OEM only

[stoic island]

huh

[violet harness]

What does OEM mean

[stoic island]

prob still on the same platform as rest of the bad smarts

[jolly pilot]

i think its that one

[earnest olive]

original equipment manufacturer

in this context, prebuilts

[stoic island]

You sure it's not a white or bronze?

[violet harness]

Ok

[jolly pilot]

or wait

ima check

[earnest olive]

if it's thermaltake smart 80+ white, i would not run a 5600xt on it

[stoic island]

There's also a Smart DPS gold aparently

[violet harness]

Because I bought a windows 10 pro key off urcdkeys.com and it said OEM and I got kinda scared

[earnest olive]

oem keys are fine

[stoic island]

OEM is bad for parts

Because proprietary

[violet harness]

Lemme get a link

[stoic island]

and low quality most of the time

[earnest olive]

i'm really happy i ended up not buying the gpu support i was looking at

[stoic island]

Hm?

what was it

[earnest olive]

only supported whole number slot heights

the 6800xt nitro+ is 2.7 slots

[violet harness]

@earnest olive https://m.urcdkeys.com/microsoft-windows-10-pro-oem-cd-key-global_1966-20.html

[stoic island]

???

[marsh kiln]

If I made a custom case for a raspberry pi 4 with the top of the case being a 120mm or a 140mm fan on top keep it nice and cool?

[stoic island]

only whole number slot heights?

ohhhhh

I thought most of them were adjustable?

[earnest olive]

yeah it was one of the kinds that screws in like a pcie slot

not a stand

i ended up going for a stand instead

[viral ore]

@earnest olive https://m.urcdkeys.com/microsoft-windows-10-pro-oem-cd-key-global_1966-20.html
@violet harness nah just go to ebay

[stoic island]

same susness

[viral ore]

not worth getting scammed out of 18 dollars

[violet harness]

I already bought it

Smfh

[stoic island]

and ebay has good buyers protection

[viral ore]

its fine then

ebay is also like 2 dolla

[earnest olive]

@stoic island something like this

[stoic island]

ohhh

[narrow rose]

ebay is fine just pick a good seller and if doesnt work tell ebay you need a refund

[stoic island]

@earnest olive wait

[violet harness]

Oops

[earnest olive]

so it only supports whole number slot heights

[stoic island]

is that my GPU

I swear

2070 duke

[jolly pilot]

Yeah the psu is a 80 gold

[earnest olive]

idk

[stoic island]

@jolly pilot need more specifics

[earnest olive]

random customer image from the listing

[jolly pilot]

uhh

[stoic island]

but anyways bleach looks like my gpu lel

@jolly pilot what else does it say on it

[earnest olive]

i ended up going for one of these but 12V 4pin and with a ryzen/radeon logo engraved on it instead

[stoic island]

take a pic if you need

[earnest olive]

this one should support any slot height

[stoic island]

fun

lemme check orion

[earnest olive]

oh wow so it is that oem psu then

[ripe wedge]

wow a smart bomb

[sinful hornet]

woah those acrylic things are cool

[earnest olive]

no jake it's not the normal thermal take smart

[stoic island]

It might be

[earnest olive]

normal thermaltake smart is 80+ white

[stoic island]

@earnest olive my guess is same platform

[ripe wedge]

oh true didnt notice that

[earnest olive]

might be

[kind flax]

i just installed a new m.2 ssd in my second slot

[earnest olive]

hard to know with oem psu

[stoic island]

and then somehow optimized for efficiency

[kind flax]

but windows wont recoginzie

but it does in bios

[stoic island]

ye checking if orion has data

[kind flax]

help

[stoic island]

@kind flax what motherboard

what SSD

[kind flax]

b550 aorus pro micro atx

[earnest olive]

oh

i know the issue

[kind flax]

samsung 970 evo plus

[earnest olive]

go to windows search and type disk management

you will need to initialize the volume

[kind flax]

ok

[earnest olive]

scroll down until you see the drive

on the bottom

[violet harness]

@viral ore would this work I live in Canada but it’s from France https://www.ebay.ca/itm/Win-10-PRO-KEY-Professional-32-64-BIT-INSTANT-DELIVERY-License-KEY/353268976409?_trkparms=aid%3D1110006%26algo%3DHOMESPLICE.SIM%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20191002094254%26meid%3D5e2f21e409374735a43901b899649c38%26pid%3D101103%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D363173458377%26itm%3D353268976409%26pmt%3D0%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D2332490%26algv%3DDefaultOrganic%26brand%3DUnbranded&_trksid=p2332490.c101103.m3021

[kind flax]

its blank

[stoic island]

B550m or b450m aorus pro

b550m right

[kind flax]

b550

[earnest olive]

did it not pop up something at the beginning saying you need to initialize it

[stoic island]

supports it then

[kind flax]

no

[stoic island]

@kind flax nothing in the PCIex1 slot?

need to make sure

[kind flax]

i have another ssd in the m.2 slot

[stoic island]

the pcie x1 slot matters

[kind flax]

si that where the gpu goes

[earnest olive]

how many drives do you have in total

[kind flax]

3

[earnest olive]

gpu is pcie x16

[kind flax]

oh

i have 3 storages

atm

[stoic island]

oh wait

read the chart wrong

[earnest olive]

3 including the new one?

[stoic island]

lmfao

[kind flax]

4 now

with the new one

[violet harness]

@earnest olive what gpu do u have

[earnest olive]

2 m.2 ssd and 2 hdd?

[stoic island]

yea it'll support it

[earnest olive]

or what

[stoic island]

@earnest olive no sata bandwidth sharing

that's not the issue for the mobo

[kind flax]

one ssd sata one hdd two m.2 ssd

[violet harness]

I have one NVMe ssd 🤠

[earnest olive]

yeah i know it has nothing to do with sata bandwidth here

hmm

try action > rescan disks?

[kind flax]

ok

[earnest olive]

i currently have gtx 1060

waiting for sapphire 6800xt nitro+

[kind flax]

oh its greyed out

[earnest olive]

how curious

i've done a lot of builds where i added a drive

[violet harness]

Is the crucial p1 a good nvme

[kind flax]

i might just switch the ssd slots

[earnest olive]

and every time when i open disk management it'll either say i need to initialize the drive right away

or let me create a new volume

[kind flax]

and the sata slots

[earnest olive]

crucial p1 is okay

team mp34 better if you can afford it

[narrow rose]

can you right click on the greyed out one and uninstall the driver?

[violet harness]

Cause it’s the only storage I’ll have lol @earnest olive

[kind flax]

its this second slot

[earnest olive]

there's no problem with only having an ssd

i was planning to only run a 1tb ssd

[stoic island]

wait

[earnest olive]

then my friend decided to give me a 6tb hdd

[stoic island]

@kind flax you shouldn't have any issues

[jolly pilot]

so is my cpu fine then?

[stoic island]

there's no shared bandwidth so

[earnest olive]

i don't even have a use for it

[stoic island]

and 2nd slot does pciex3

[kind flax]

i set the io ports the 8x1 4x2

in bios

[stoic island]

what

[kind flax]

to see if it fixed it

[earnest olive]

m.2 slot a is connected to cpu and m.2 slot b is connected to chipset

so no interference

[kind flax]

oh

[violet harness]

I have SLI 3090’s I’m so cool

[earnest olive]

20 pcie4 lanes on b550

[stoic island]

it takes 4 from chipset

doubt you can change it

[earnest olive]

oh wow

[ripe wedge]

I have 3 m.2s on my mobo but then a third m.2 is installed it turns off 2 sata ports

[earnest olive]

they use the NGFF name there

[kind flax]

it turns off sata ports?

[stoic island]

lol

[kind flax]

why

does that happen

[narrow rose]

only so many lanes

[ripe wedge]

bandwidth

[stoic island]

mhm

not in your case, I've checked.

[earnest olive]

you shouldn't have any bandwidth issues

[ripe wedge]

[kind flax]

what happens if i switch the ssd slots

[earnest olive]

shouldn't make any difference

[stoic island]

It shouldn't

so I say test around software first

[earnest olive]

what is in the bios settings?

[kind flax]

bios it reconginzes it

[narrow rose]

I think you need to uninstall the drivers and reinstall them for that drive in disk management

[kind flax]

uninstall the drivers

ok

[earnest olive]

have you downloaded the b550 chipset driver?

that might help

[kind flax]

idk

prolly not

[narrow rose]

right click on it even if its greyed out

[stoic island]

ye

Now that I think about it

[kind flax]

what driver

do i uninstall

[stoic island]

grayed out is just not-initialized right

[earnest olive]

https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/B550M-AORUS-PRO-rev-10/support#support-dl-driver-chipset

get the chipset driver for your mobo from here

see if that fixes it

[narrow rose]

@stoic island yeah just not initialized

[stoic island]

@kind flax try to right click it in disk management

I don't deal with software much :P

[earnest olive]

it's not showing up at all in disk management

[cursive wharf]

screensnip is quite helpful

[earnest olive]

he showed screenshot

[stoic island]

wait

[earnest olive]

it recognizes 3 drives and he said he just added a 4th

[still bay]

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/wd-wd_black-sn750-nvme-1tb-internal-pci-express-3-0-x4-solid-state-drive-for-laptops-desktops/6338995.p?skuId=6338995

120 dolalrs off a 1tb nvme ssd????

[narrow rose]

oh I thought he said it appeared but greyed out

[still bay]

is this a steal or am i tripping

[earnest olive]

nah he said the rescan disk was grayed out

[kind flax]

yes

[stoic island]

I thought they found it..?

[ripe wedge]

@still bay thats about the normal price

[still bay]

oh lol

[kind flax]

no i was stalking about the rescan optoin

it was grey out

[earnest olive]

he was referring to this

not the drive

[ripe wedge]

im not sure why they have it looking like it was so expensive and marked down

[stoic island]

oh

[narrow rose]

ah

[cursive wharf]

I think it's $112 for MP34, not really worth extra for SN750

[earnest olive]

just try the chipset driver, esp since the ssd is connected to the chipset

i'd say there's a decent chance it'll fix

[stoic island]

107$ last time I checked

[earnest olive]

i sent a link

[kind flax]

amd chipset installing atm

whats a chipset

[earnest olive]

the thing on your motherboard that makes it a b550

[kind flax]

ohhh hahaha

[barren crypt]

wow

[cursive wharf]

the thing that connects all the random stuff to your CPU

[barren crypt]

bleach became a techie

[earnest olive]

it basically links your cpu to everything

pcie lanes and stuff

[kind flax]

here goes nothing

[earnest olive]

restart and give it a shot

[barren crypt]

i need a review on this build

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/8J6NcT

[cursive wharf]

Ethernet, WiFi, most PCIe ports, SATA ports, etc

[earnest olive]

looks pretty good

[barren crypt]

ty

[earnest olive]

that ssd does have dram i've seen it before

[narrow rose]

I think the drive needs to be formated

[barren crypt]

i made it myself and then i asked over in a server and only changed 2 things

the PSU 750w - 850w

so that wasnt really me picking a bad psu

it was me underestimating the power i needed

[earnest olive]

750W is fine

[barren crypt]

i'd rather be safe than regret it

[earnest olive]

you could even get away with 650W if it's a good one

[still roost]

Itzi#0001 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[barren crypt]

oops

i forgot swearing is banned here

[earnest olive]

the ryzen 5 3600 has a PPT of only 76W

[barren crypt]

im just so used to it

[earnest olive]

3080 ventus has a power limit of probably something like 350W

[weak field]

round 20 nacth der untoten

[barren crypt]

the second thing i got wrong was buying a bad case fan

[stoic island]

320w tdp prob, limit should be around 360w prob

[jolly pilot]

@earnest olive so is my psu good enough?

[kind flax]

ok

[barren crypt]

im gonna be running this pc on a 3840x2160 60hz

good response time though because its a TN

[weak field]

2k

why not 4k

[barren crypt]

isnt 2160 4k

[earnest olive]

@jolly pilot i believe the consensus is "we don't trust it"

it'll probably run

but no guarantees from us

[jolly pilot]

i mean it runs

[kind flax]

still blank

[earnest olive]

disk management still only shows 3 disks?

[narrow rose]

@kind flax I think you should use gparted or a windows install usb to format that drive first

[jolly pilot]

i just wanted to know if it was enough for my cpu gpu and stuff

[earnest olive]

then yeah try doing that

seems like the issue is outside the realm of disk management

[narrow rose]

Its probably just not formated

[earnest olive]

yeah usually disk management can fix that for you though

[foggy hazel]

@earnest olive not for the more "exotic" formats

[kind flax]

gparted

[narrow rose]

gets angry if not NTFS though

[kind flax]

ok

[earnest olive]

i've done EXFAT on it i think

but that's about it

[foggy hazel]

just be careful with gparted @kind flax , it has NO problem with deleting everything.

[earnest olive]

needed to make an external hdd that would work with macos

it's a new drive so shouldn't be an issue

[kind flax]

ohh my

[cursive wharf]

@stoic island @earnest olive nah, ventus is strictly 320w max PL, no power slider or anything allowed. I dislike it

[kind flax]

can someone link me a download link

[foggy hazel]

not trying to scare you @kind flax, just pay attention

[kind flax]

cant really seem to find the right one

[earnest olive]

wow that's interesting

[narrow rose]

a windows install usb will work too

[foggy hazel]

https://gparted.org/ <- @kind flax

[earnest olive]

are any other models like that?

or just ventus

either way only further reinforces the point that even a good 650W would be fine

corsair txm 650W gold would run it

[narrow rose]

I blame Apple for all drives not just being formatted in NTSF from the manufacturer

[stoic island]

@cursive wharf weird, I assume people are getting custom vbios for it?

[earnest olive]

well to be fair ntfs is proprietary isn't it

so it's not reaaally apple's fault

[narrow rose]

it is for existing.... LOL

[earnest olive]

okay you have a solid point there

[barren crypt]

bleach

[cursive wharf]

havent looked into it yet for Ampere, but Turing had hardware limits on it for Ventus. vBIOS would barely change anything

[stoic island]

oh damn really?

that's a bit.. excessive

[barren crypt]

apparently i need a motherboard from the MAX series

[stoic island]

no you don't

[earnest olive]

well turing ventus cooler thermal throttled at stock anyways so it was irrelevant

you don't

[cursive wharf]

All MSI cards did to an extent for Turing

[stoic island]

@barren crypt max doesn't make any sense to buy atm

Really?