#building-and-recc-chat

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stoic island
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@deft zephyr we're talking about 3200mhz for zen 3, doesn't apply for zen 2. We know for sure zen 2 benefits from 3600mhzcl16

deft zephyr
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im getting a zen 3

stoic island
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@deft zephyr @gaunt vortex we have no concrete information on anything with how IF works on zen 3

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That's the real point

deft zephyr
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ohhh

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so its a risk eather way 😐

stoic island
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we can't say anything until we get concrete data from reviewers

gaunt vortex
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^

stoic island
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But my point is

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3200mhz obvious works

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because AMD themselves used it

deft zephyr
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im just going to stay with the 3200

gritty zenith
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imma stick with my 1333mhz laugh 👌

gaunt vortex
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lol

deft zephyr
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omg

gritty zenith
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just lga1150 things 💫

gaunt vortex
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I have some DDR2 laying around, maybe there's some way to make that work1?!?!

glacial umbra
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I have ddr -1 lying around

gaunt vortex
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I don't anymore 😦 Makes me kind of sad in retrospect

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I should've kept my first computer

glacial umbra
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the only oldest ram I have is some kingston ddr3

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never really had an older computer

gaunt vortex
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it had a Voodoo2 in it. It was, as the kids say, lit.

stoic island
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on fire?

glacial umbra
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kaboom

hollow rivet
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My pc runs like 830 mhz ddr3 ram. Is slow af ram but what I have for now. I also have an old am3+ mobo with an AMD phenom ii x6 so its pretty old but it does what i want

foggy hazel
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nah, that is quite normal for that platform @hollow rivet

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and that ram is running at 1600

hollow rivet
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It is?

foggy hazel
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aye

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generally, just dont worry about it :)

hollow rivet
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Its what i can afford. It was an old asus essentio PC and Ive only upgraded the GPU and psu and thermal paste

stoic island
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DDR is fun

hollow rivet
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It was ddr3 tho

sullen spoke
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Than get ddr

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Heh

crisp bolt
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Hello everyone

stoic island
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@foggy hazel by the way, how does the terminology for DDR ram really work?
1800mhz true freq = 3600MT/s, but can you call it 3600mhz? what do you call the doubled number?

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or do you call the 1800mhz a different name than freq?

hollow rivet
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I replaced my old ancient psu with a corsair cx650m semi modular

crisp bolt
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i came like 10 days back asking help to build my first AMD PC. I was told to wait. Is it a good time to ask for help now?

stoic island
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What's your budget?

sullen spoke
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Well it is best to wait until we have more info on the new cpus

hollow rivet
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My gfx card is a gtx 660 from evga

crisp bolt
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What's your budget?
@stoic island around 3K

foggy hazel
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i honestly dont know the "right" terminology for it @stoic island never been something that mattered to me :)

stoic island
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might be worth waiting like 1 day for Zen 3 reviews, and then another day for the Zen 3 CPUs to come out

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What do you call MT/s?

deft zephyr
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seeeeesh

crisp bolt
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might be worth waiting like 1 day for Zen 3 reviews, and then another day for the Zen 3 CPUs to come out
@stoic island im afraid it will be sold out and then i will be waiting for months 😦

deft zephyr
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wdym

stoic island
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ah transfers per second

foggy hazel
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aye, mega transfers /sec

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which is just annoying to say

stoic island
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@crisp bolt hey, it's worth waiting a day to see the reviews at least :)

sullen spoke
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Sounds fun

deft zephyr
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where will i be able to see the reviews

crisp bolt
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@crisp bolt hey, it's worth waiting a day to see the reviews at least :)
@stoic island Ok, will do 🙂

balmy patio
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bruh i was thinking about meters per second when you said MT/s and got hella confused

stoic island
foggy hazel
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aye

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the MT is used instead of always saying: x mhz but 2 transfers per tick

sullen spoke
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So is like 1200mhz 2400mt/s

stoic island
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Alright.

glass harness
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when i look and my ram is at fking 667mhz

stoic island
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I've became a bit less confused

sullen spoke
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Ddr4 the guy?

glass harness
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restarts pc cramming delete

stoic island
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sounds like ddr3

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isn't lowest ddr4 JEDEC standard 2133mt/s

sullen spoke
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That what it sound like

glass harness
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ye im still in the days of 3

stoic island
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yea

glass harness
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brb tho

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my ram is rated for 1,600mhz

sullen spoke
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Aren’t we near ddr5 now

stoic island
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close

gaunt vortex
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Near

little osprey
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yo can anyone help me with a part list

hollow rivet
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Im waiting till I can afford 4 4gb sticks so I can have 16 gb of ram

stoic island
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so, rated for 1600mt/s, aka 800mhz, but running at 667mhz?

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@little osprey ask away

little osprey
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ok so

glass harness
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yes

stoic island
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Check XMP

little osprey
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so i need a family pc

stoic island
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ddr3 jedec default might've been 1333

glass harness
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i was just going to go fix it it bios

stoic island
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not sure

deft zephyr
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can u guys explain to me why i cant OC my 3200 to a 3600?

stoic island
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@little osprey main questions : Budget, Uses, When are you building?

little osprey
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that i use for gaming and my mom and dad for cad/ excel and office stuff

gaunt vortex
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I for one love ram generation changes. We get to buy new mbs with expensive, slow ram. Always fun.

sullen spoke
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Lol mr1 I think people don’t say the mt/s because that just sounds confusing lol

stoic island
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@deft zephyr because ram is crap

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it doesn't OC

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well at all

little osprey
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budget maybe like 800$

stoic island
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unless you have b die

little osprey
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laughs in crucial ballistix

deft zephyr
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I was told it can.. oh well

stoic island
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For example, I can't push my 3600mhzc16 ram over 3600mhz at all without loosening timings

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not all

little osprey
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it can oc well depending on your die of ur ram chip

stoic island
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b die e die can

little osprey
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i have like a 3600 and a 1650S in mind

stoic island
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everything else don't oc well at all

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anything ripjaw/vengeance won't

little osprey
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budget maybe like 800$
@little osprey u need a pcpp ?

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yeah

sullen spoke
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Ram is not guaranteed to go over the factory oc

stoic island
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mhm

sullen spoke
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¯_(ツ)_/¯

deft zephyr
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ok

little osprey
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under 800

stoic island
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and sometimes it doesn't even go to factory oc

deft zephyr
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dammit bruh

sullen spoke
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Sadly

stoic island
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it's not uncommon for ram sticks to not even reach xmp out of box

little osprey
glass harness
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BOTTLENECK (cough)

little osprey
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oh

deft zephyr
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knew i shoud have gone for a 3600

stoic island
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like ahem my team sticks ahem

little osprey
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wait lemme look at it real wuick

foggy hazel
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@sullen spoke re: ddr5: sticks are being made, but we are a good while away yet :)

sullen spoke
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Go with mp34 instead of mp33

little osprey
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ouf that phoenix 2060

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that wont do

sullen spoke
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Ooo that might be around time for upgrade

stoic island
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Hm

little osprey
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i wanna overclock

stoic island
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...

little osprey
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bud

foggy hazel
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@little osprey consider this: dont OC anything you cannot live without

little osprey
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we could act do 5600xt cheap aib

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yo the phoenix cards are pretty baf

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5600xt it is

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yeah

stoic island
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I really don't like giving anyone 2666mhz ram freq

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so I still don't like that list

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but it works

little osprey
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but are you really sure about intel

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amd is really great

glass harness
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except cpu and gpu oc the fk out of those :3

stoic island
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rn a 3600 costs 200$

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and a b550 mobo ~80$

sullen spoke
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Mmm

little osprey
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or should we wait for the 5000-series

foggy hazel
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@glass harness no. what i said still applies.

vital warren
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if only the r5 3600 dropped down to 150 real quick just for me

stoic island
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well eh

vital warren
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heheeh

stoic island
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yea if 3600 dropped back down to 160$

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hell yea

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grab that

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screw intel

vital warren
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i need that and a 3070 and my build is done

stoic island
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but right now

sullen spoke
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Also please don’t avoid the filter

stoic island
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it's 200$

vital warren
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i want to get off my dumb fx 6300

sullen spoke
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Intol ftw

little osprey
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I really don't like giving anyone 2666mhz ram freq
@stoic island b460 doesnt cap at 2666 iirc

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thats why i went with b460 instead of h410

glass harness
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true @foggy hazel but its not hard or super harmful to get a small oc on a gpu/cpu

stoic island
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you sure?

little osprey
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pretty sure

stoic island
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I'm pretty sure it's all 2666mhz for 10400f

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lemme see

little osprey
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idk if the family pc needs a gpu tbh

deep skiff
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and non z board locks oc for ram

little osprey
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because i have my own pc

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unless it throttles

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but timings will be the same

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and it’s pretty good

foggy hazel
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@glass harness read what i said again :) and then decide for yourself :)

deft zephyr
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Ok guys now i need a good 16 gb 3600 mhz ram

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on amazon

little osprey
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crucial

stoic island
sullen spoke
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Gpu has a lot of safeguard for oc, it is a lot easier to kill a cpu. But still you have to consider if the extra power and risk is worth the performance gain

little osprey
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Gpu has a lot of safeguard for oc, it is a lot easier to kill a cpu. But still you have to consider if the extra power and risk is worth the performance gain
@sullen spoke u talking to me?

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yep 2666mhz
@stoic island oh welp 10400f with 2666 is stil pretty good

stoic island
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no

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:P

little osprey
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broken.

sullen spoke
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The guy

stoic island
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heh

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It's still decent I just don't like it

little osprey
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u wanna go 3100 and b550 ?

glass harness
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dont oc anything you cannot live without

stoic island
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I personally would do 3600+1650s

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for office work and all

little osprey
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i assumed it would be for gaming right ?

stoic island
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uh

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read what they sent

little osprey
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well

sullen spoke
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Time to oc my brain brainlet

little osprey
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not really

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i didn't read much of it just saw a budget and said yeet

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it would be at my dads

glass harness
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but what im saying is if you want max performance dont be afraid to do a little oc

deft zephyr
stoic island
little osprey
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oh if thats the case 3600 with b550 and 1650s will do u well

stoic island
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it's more a office pc than gaming

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mhm

little osprey
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i mean mom like my dads wife

stoic island
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I'll make a list too

little osprey
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i mean mom like my dads wife
@little osprey who else lmao

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i call both my dads dad and moms mom it’s pretty confusing tbh

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wait huh

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my braincells

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cant handle this

stoic island
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like grandparents?

little osprey
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my parents broke up when i was like 3

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ur dads dad, u mean ur grandp-

stoic island
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oh

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stepparents

little osprey
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anyways about that 3600

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so i grew up calling all of them like dad and mom

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anyway

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so

stoic island
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I make list

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ETA 2 minutes

glass harness
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wait are you saying that you shouldn't oc your work pc i agree with that @foggy hazel

little osprey
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at my real dads house we would have the nee pc

glass harness
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but gaming

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is all oc

little osprey
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at my moms i have my own with a 3600 and an rtx 2060

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so like family pc that can game and video edit

foggy hazel
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@glass harness anything that you cannot live without, dont OC.

little osprey
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and do stuff

stoic island
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By the way Naed do you think anyone would do ram speed testing for like excel and stuff?

deft zephyr
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um

glass harness
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wow tons of clarification there

stoic island
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I'm semi curious

little osprey
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hm

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so would like the same parts work well

stoic island
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@glass harness that was as clear as it can be, if you can afford to not have a gaming PC anymore, go ahead OC.

little osprey
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or maybe go with 1650s

stoic island
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:P

little osprey
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or amd

stoic island
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I'm making a 3600 1650s list rn

little osprey
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cool

stoic island
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prob will add extra storage

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for work

little osprey
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but like not all parts on pcpartpicker are avaliable in my country

glass harness
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bruh what is the point of buying unlocked processors iff your to scared to oc

stoic island
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... specify that then

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what country

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what currency

little osprey
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sweden

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kr

stoic island
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fun

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let's see

little osprey
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so we have this store called inet

stoic island
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how much SEK

little osprey
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like 8000

stoic island
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kk

little osprey
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but maybe use inet pc builder

stoic island
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no

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pcpartpicker

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it's better

little osprey
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alr bet

sharp pelican
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Should i upgrade to a i7 990x or a xeon X5690?

karmic bobcat
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What are you upgrading from?

sharp pelican
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920

karmic bobcat
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You might wanna just go up to something more modern lol

little osprey
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what is that cpu

sharp pelican
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I do..

little osprey
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oh is it like really old

sharp pelican
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11 years

karmic bobcat
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Oh yeah it’s hold

little osprey
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dang

karmic bobcat
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That’s a first generation i7

sharp pelican
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Yeha

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I got the very FIRST i7

karmic bobcat
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Like 😳

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MAN IS PIMPING

little osprey
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that’s older than like some people i know

karmic bobcat
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Anyway

sharp pelican
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Not manufactured

foggy hazel
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@little osprey inet is not that diverse in parts

sharp pelican
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But yk

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So 990x or X5690?

little osprey
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but inet has all the parts they have on the pc builder

foggy hazel
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also: du burde kunne læse dette <- should make sense for you @little osprey

karmic bobcat
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Why not move up to something like a R5 3600 or a i5-10400F?

little osprey
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yes

karmic bobcat
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Like why do you want to stay so old with your CPU?

little osprey
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danish

foggy hazel
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indeed

little osprey
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pretty similar lanuages

foggy hazel
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proshop might be a vendor for you

little osprey
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smörrebröd

foggy hazel
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aye :)

little osprey
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i’ve had some pretty bad experiences with proshop

foggy hazel
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fair enough

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they are local to us here

little osprey
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like stuff i’ve ordered came like 3 months late

foggy hazel
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that IS bad :)

little osprey
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i bought a xtrfy k4

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and first it said it was gonna take like 4 days

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then 2 weeks

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rhen another like week

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and then 3 months

foggy hazel
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ah you got stuck in a logistics loop

stoic island
little osprey
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so i cancelled

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tysm

sharp pelican
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My best bet is the 5690

karmic bobcat
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Why a B550 board in an office PC?

stoic island
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it's less storage than I'd like

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why not

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:P

karmic bobcat
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Because you’re paying more for something you’ll never utilize lmao

little osprey
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yo that mobo is gonna get dwarfed lol

stoic island
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hey

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the mans gonna game on it too

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karmic bobcat
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Bruh

stoic island
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:P

karmic bobcat
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Oh crapodongles mb 😳

glass harness
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lul

stoic island
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if it's ONLY office pc I might just slap in a 3400g and call it a day with a320

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heh

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but some upgradability and all will be nice

little osprey
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wait i’m gonna make a part list, can you be the judge

foggy hazel
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you see what i mean about prices NOT being fun here @stoic island ?

karmic bobcat
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But why a B550? That’s wasting money on PCI4 support. And assuming they use a newer SSD with Gen 4 support or the 3000 or 6000 series GPUs

stoic island
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Yea I see

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did some quick SEK to USD conversions

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not fun

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foggy hazel
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nope

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stoic island
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lol

glass harness
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rip

sharp pelican
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LOL

stoic island
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is that WR pace?

sharp pelican
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Yes

stoic island
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heh

foggy hazel
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if he joins again in 10 minutes and instantly gets kicked again? yes

glass harness
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??

sharp pelican
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??

stoic island
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the man be speedrunning getting banned

sharp pelican
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Kinda like me

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So, 990x or X5690

stoic island
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bro you lost like 30 sec in the segment already

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gotta get the bad word skip

little osprey
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what do you think abt that

stoic island
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gives you regional pricing and avalibility

little osprey
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kk

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but i think that’s like pretty ok

foggy hazel
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upper right of your browser window @little osprey

stoic island
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click the flag

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and select sweden

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that's another option

little osprey
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yeye i did it

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but given that i spend most my time at my dads this pc doesnt need to be all that fancy

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don’t need like 3600

stoic island
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it's a nice-to-have

little osprey
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cause i edit on my main rig

stoic island
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alright

little osprey
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do you think i should upgrade to a ryzen 7 3700

sharp pelican
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Nah, you should go with a X5690

little osprey
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because rn editing isnt that smooth

sharp pelican
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Lmao

little osprey
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is that a xeon processor

stoic island
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nah

sharp pelican
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Yes

stoic island
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wait for like 5800x if you want to upgrade

little osprey
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lol

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alr

stoic island
little osprey
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oh m.2

stoic island
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B550 might be worth it if you're gonna be wanting to use it semi-often

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(for upgradability in future)

little osprey
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how much faster is nvme compared to sata

halcyon olive
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guys

little osprey
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like is rhe difference noticable

halcyon olive
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what should i get

fringe wharf
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When putting my pc together o should occasionally tap my case so that it gets rid of the static electricity right?

little osprey
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yeah

halcyon olive
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2080ti or 3070?

little osprey
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don’t stand on a carpet

fringe wharf
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It’s a couple seconds faster I believe in long loads. But overall it’s ab the same

stoic island
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cheapest decent SATA drive is 720 SEK anyways so why not

little osprey
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3070

stoic island
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for 500gb

sharp pelican
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X5690😂 😂 😂 😂

halcyon olive
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ight

stoic island
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so P1 500gb at 750SEK pretty nice

little osprey
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should i get a new motherboard for my main pc tho

stoic island
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what does it have right now

little osprey
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i have the asus prime b450m-a

sharp pelican
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Yes,

stoic island
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hm

sharp pelican
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Get a lga 1366 board

stoic island
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I thonk

halcyon olive
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ok guys in price i was gonna get a 2060 ti bc its a lil cheap for my budget but since the 3070 is going for like 300$ more should i really just save up and get that??

little osprey
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yo 2060 ti doesnt exist lol

sharp pelican
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2060ti

fringe wharf
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How long would it take to get $300

sharp pelican
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NO BRUV

stoic island
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@little osprey could be worth buying a B550 board, and transplanting that B450 board for the Office PC thing

halcyon olive
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bruh

fringe wharf
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?

little osprey
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yeah

halcyon olive
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i meaant 2060?

stoic island
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what

sharp pelican
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Super?

halcyon olive
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sorry or super>

stoic island
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3070 destorys 2060 super

fringe wharf
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Lmao

little osprey
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but switching mobos are a lot of work

stoic island
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¯_(ツ)_/¯

little osprey
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eh

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ig it will be worth it

stoic island
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It's a mobo upgrade

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and then a free mobo for another build

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win win imo

halcyon olive
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um probably a few weeks

fringe wharf
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Yea. If you can get $300 relatively quick I think it’s worth to wait. But if itll be a while just get 2060 sup

little osprey
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the vrm cooling is non existant

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maybe i shouldnt oc

fringe wharf
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Because you also have to remeber even if you get the cash. It’ll be a bit. Or a fight to get a 3070

stoic island
halcyon olive
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guys how good does the 2080 Ti run the game rust

little osprey
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yeah i was thinking about that one

stoic island
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@fringe wharf I mean, I literally saw it in stock like an hour ago xD

halcyon olive
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bc in my current Pc i have a 1660 Ti?

sharp pelican
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Look up benchmarks

fringe wharf
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I bought used and got an aorus master for $170

stoic island
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for half a minute

vital warren
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you'll run rust fine w a 2080ti

stoic island
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but still 3070 in stock today

vital warren
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i run it fine on a 1060

stoic island
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Theo found 3080 in stock on Newegg earlier too

halcyon olive
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imma just get the Founders 3070 then

fringe wharf
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Oh dang. I thought it was having the same problems as the rest of the new cards. I wasn’t really paying attention lmao

stoic island
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it has problems

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but it's coming in with more cards

vital warren
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msi made a b550 unify?

stoic island
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it's like one restock a day instead of like 3080 getting one restock a week

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yea

halcyon olive
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BRUH yall THink the 3060 will actually be a thing??

karmic bobcat
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Okay I’m back

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I gotta stop cursing

fringe wharf
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What ab the new ryzen stuff @halcyon olive or do u just want nvudia

vital warren
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i see it rn looks decent

karmic bobcat
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Anyway where were we

stoic island
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there's 2 b550 unifys

little osprey
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get the amd cards that are coming out

karmic bobcat
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If they’re in stock

stoic island
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I was talking to one of the hwbot guys about it a while ago

little osprey
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like the 6700

stoic island
#

one has 2 ram slots the other 4

little osprey
#

or whatever it’s called

vital warren
#

yeah i wouldnt know because i always look on the low end about b550s lmao

stoic island
#

very OC heavy

karmic bobcat
#

But honestly. For such a beefy GPU. You’re going to need a monitor to back it up

little osprey
#

and psu

stoic island
#

It ain't hard

fringe wharf
#

I was think the new amd cards would be better cause of the ram soace

halcyon olive
#

ok if i go for Amd then id get ryzen 5 gen 5 , and the gen 6 rx card

stoic island
#

good 1440p144hz ips monitor is 300$

halcyon olive
#

once im like 17 LMAO

stoic island
#

not THAT bad

little osprey
#

the 3070 takes alot more powet than the 1660ti

foggy hazel
#

this i have to hear. please elaborate @fringe wharf

halcyon olive
#

how much @little osprey

karmic bobcat
#

The 3070 also compares to a 2080TI iirc

halcyon olive
#

more

fringe wharf
#

Doesn’t the 3070 have 8 gigs and the amd cards come with 16gigs

little osprey
#

idk i think like 650

stoic island
#

3070 TDP is 220w

little osprey
#

oh

halcyon olive
#

Omg

little osprey
#

nvm tjen

karmic bobcat
#

Yeah but they’re limited on bus

#

So they use a different type of cache

stoic island
#

no idea how infinity cache on AMD GPUs will work

foggy hazel
#

@fringe wharf yes, and what does ram amount tell you beyond the amount?

karmic bobcat
#

I think it’s infinity cache

stoic island
#

personally I think it's gimmicky

karmic bobcat
#

I agree

foggy hazel
#

@stoic island re: infinity cache: its not

little osprey
#

ok guys gtg bye thanks for the help

karmic bobcat
#

I trust team green based on stability alone

#

Bye

stoic island
#

(what marketing is making it out to be)

halcyon olive
#

but if you go with a Ryzen Cpu , and a Radeon Card wouldnt that be great bc same . i really dont know

stoic island
#

It's going to be good for throughput

#

but I don't think it's THAT good

halcyon olive
#

bc they both made by Amd

fringe wharf
#

Idk lmao. I’ve just been seeing on some vids around that tge 2080 ti is still ok cause if it’s size compared to the 3070

#

Idk much though lmao

stoic island
#

aka. Making G6 comparable with G6x

fathom sedge
#

amd still best bang for buck

halcyon olive
#

2080 ti is over 1k i think??

foggy hazel
#

the infinity cache is way more than that @stoic island

stoic island
#

hm?

karmic bobcat
#

2000 series GPUs won’t go down on price anytime soon

stoic island
#

I thought it was just like a ram cache for the vram

karmic bobcat
#

Because of stock issues with 3000 series GPUs

halcyon olive
#

yea

fringe wharf
#

I’ve stopped looking at new cards and stuff cause I can’t afford them. Ima stick w my 1080 lmao

halcyon olive
#

and once the 3070 is really released

little osprey
#

Does the sn750 have cache

karmic bobcat
#

Oh yeah stick with the 1080 lol

stoic island
#

I'm almost certain I missed stuff but I'd like to know

#

SN750 has dram.

halcyon olive
#

i think everyone will be getting that??

foggy hazel
#

it is, kinda-ish. but its also a general buffer

karmic bobcat
#

I’m personally shooting for the 3080

#

But my build is gonna be 3.2k :/

stoic island
#

Buffer in what way?

halcyon olive
#

Bruhhhhh

little osprey
#

What better dram or cache

fathom sedge
#

if i remember they took the idea of infinity cache from l3 cache and there's 128mb of it

fringe wharf
#

Damn

#

Mine was 1.5k

thorny tusk
halcyon olive
#

ok look

fringe wharf
#

Lmao

foggy hazel
#

how to explain ...

stoic island
#

Like is it how ram functions in a PC, just has stuff preloaded

#

or like buffer as in overflow

foggy hazel
#

that is part of what it does

karmic bobcat
#

Let’s fix some things

foggy hazel
#

both potentially

little osprey
#

Huh

stoic island
#

I am interested in how it will work

foggy hazel
#

it depends on how they "open" it access wise @stoic island

halcyon olive
#

\Dayum that build is pretty gud for a lil over 1k

karmic bobcat
#

The 3600X offers marginal improvements over the 3600. Not worth it IMO.

foggy hazel
#

let me put it like this, a lot of very smart people lost their minds, in a good way, when it was shown @stoic island

karmic bobcat
#

For RAM. That’s a good steal. But 3600 is that sweet spot

little osprey
#

@thorny tusk change ram

thorny tusk
#

to what

stoic island
#

Hm okay

karmic bobcat
#

So change to some 2x8 sticks of CL 16 3600 DDR4 RAM

#

Can find some for under 90 bucks in most cases

stoic island
#

I'm not one of those people, so I'm gonna wait to hear summaries on performance from the smart people :D

foggy hazel
#

but white paper on RNDA2 will tell us things :)

little osprey
#

Crucial balistik

stoic island
#

and if a link to a vid can answer, that'll work too.

thorny tusk
#

i want to do some video editing

stoic island
#

or article

thorny tusk
#

that why thats the ram

foggy hazel
#

all the actual answers are under NDA right now @stoic island

little osprey
#

The 3600 is better

stoic island
#

Gotcha

#

thought you meant specifics of it was announced

fleet pagoda
#

What happens if u put to much or to little thermal paste

karmic bobcat
#

Fixed it a bit

stoic island
#

nothing

karmic bobcat
stoic island
#

unless it spills over

#

nothing

karmic bobcat
#

Too little thermal paste will give you some sus thermals

fleet pagoda
#

Like it overflows and coms out the side

stoic island
fringe wharf
#

To little it can be a lil warmer then if full. And if it comes out the sides it can’t be dangerous if it’s conductive

stoic island
#

if it's normal thermal paste

fringe wharf
#

I heard

stoic island
#

just clean it off

#

if it's LM

#

be scared

thorny tusk
#

@little osprey but which one there about lot

winged tinsel
#

How do you guys feel about the nzxt h510 elite case?

stoic island
#

throw it out

#

that's my opinion

winged tinsel
#

Why do you think that?

fringe wharf
#

Lmao waste of money for another glass panel

stoic island
#

and airflow

#

just bad

#

look into like Corsair 4000d airflow

karmic bobcat
#

h510 is more meant for water cooling

stoic island
#

no

#

it's just meant to be in the trash >:D

karmic bobcat
#

Lmfao

#

Ight fuys

stoic island
#

It's only meant for photos

karmic bobcat
#

I want to judge my future PC

#

In like. A years time

winged tinsel
#

Well I just bought it about 30 minutes ago

stoic island
#

cancel time

#

:P

karmic bobcat
#

What you think?

stoic island
#

why a wd blue

#

why that aio

karmic bobcat
#

Personally. I’ve had experience with WD Blue and I’m found of it

stoic island
#

you can get easily cheaper monitor for same specs, maybe even better specs.

#

Why not NVMe?

karmic bobcat
#

Plus. The main SSD is going to be that Sabrent 😏

stoic island
#

Sabrent rocket 4 plus for main maybe

karmic bobcat
#

I have two SSDs

stoic island
#

and then maybe a sabrent rocket q 2tb

#

maybe a q4 if you want fancy

karmic bobcat
#

One GEN 4 and a second one for 2TB

#

I have a HDD for just meh

stoic island
#

oh wait b550

#

can't be THAT fancy :P

karmic bobcat
#

😏

#

Then for that AIO

#

I honestly don’t know

#

I’ve heard some good things about it

stoic island
#

Get Arctic freezer ii

karmic bobcat
#

But I don’t know how it’ll handle something as a R7 5800X

#

So I’m just waiting on reviews about it

stoic island
#

just a freezer ii 280mm can easily beat bad 360mm aios

#

anyways

#

maybe a Coolermaster TD500 mesh for case

#

for top 360mm

fringe wharf
#

Gamers nexus has good case reviews and aio reviews

halcyon olive
#

guys look at what i just cooked up with my 14 year old self

stoic island
#

mhm

#

GN likes freezer ii

#

I do too

halcyon olive
#

is it Good for 182$ OVER 1K

stoic island
#

I'm about to pull out a "here's what my 15 year old self cooked up"

karmic bobcat
#

Bruh

#

Imagine paying for windows

halcyon olive
#

okie but like is it good qual

karmic bobcat
#

😳

stoic island
#

no

#

why

karmic bobcat
#

I personally ain’t an Intel head

stoic island
#

lemme just go ahead and mark what I don't like about it

karmic bobcat
#

He’s about to cook you

#

😳

stoic island
little osprey
#

Get Arctic freezer ii
@stoic island evga aios are also good

fringe wharf
#

Lmao. Bouta be roasted to the next century

stoic island
#

wdym

#

clc360 only gets good temps

halcyon olive
#

dude here i kinda took some things out that i dont need

stoic island
#

by blasting your eardrums

halcyon olive
stoic island
#

no

little osprey
#

yo

#

what

halcyon olive
#

Omg its the same

karmic bobcat
#

So why an i5-10400F?

halcyon olive
#

sorry

little osprey
#

the budgeting is all wrong

stoic island
#

mxmo go deal with that

#

someone needs to remind me to make my budget lists

#

I only made a list for 1500$

fringe wharf
#

I got a 750w Phanteks AMP for 109

karmic bobcat
#

Why do you want an i5-10400F? Personally, I’m not trying to be condescending I just want to know your thought process

little osprey
#

@halcyon olive budget and use pls

halcyon olive
#

bc .....

stoic island
#

nice

#

amp good

little osprey
#

at that price range we can do so much better than a 10400f

fringe wharf
#

I was gunna get the rmx 750 but naed said get the amp

little osprey
#

amp > rmx

fringe wharf
#

Cause is cheaper

halcyon olive
#

i need help can someone do a system bld for a budget for 1.2-1.4k

karmic bobcat
#

Keep in mind. For just dollars more. You get a R5 3600 which has the same C and T count and you can OC it

fringe wharf
#

@halcyon olive you willing to buy used or nah

little osprey
#

@halcyon olive if u cant get 3070 then 5700xt will do u well

fringe wharf
#

Cause I bought used and got some good shiz for my 1.5k budget

karmic bobcat
#

HOLD UP

#

Why a 850W PSU?

little osprey
#

if the budget allows it why not ?

#

if he wants to go cheaper we can easily go down a few hundred to 750

karmic bobcat
#

That’s a lot of power

little osprey
#

its a great bargain for 130

karmic bobcat
#

Agreeded

halcyon olive
#

wait how much reconmended

little osprey
#

well there is no recommended psu wattage for ur build

karmic bobcat
#

Agreed*

little osprey
#

its more about the minimum

fringe wharf
#

750 should cover most right?

little osprey
#

if u want we can go to 750 and save u a couple of bucks @halcyon olive

stoic island
#

750w covers literally every reasonable consumer build

little osprey
#

yea 750 rev df is fine

stoic island
#

750w I'd go amp

#

d.f. don't have 750w usually

#

850w I'd go d.f

glass harness
#

wat da fak

little osprey
#

iirc the do

stoic island
#

(I mean in stock)

little osprey
#

ahh

#

amp it is

halcyon olive
#

what about 500w

little osprey
#

no

halcyon olive
#

my build is estimated for 319ws

#

w

little osprey
#

thats..not how it works

glass harness
#

i switched my ram in bios to 1,333mhz and now its running aat 1,600mhz

fringe wharf
#

750 good for 3800x and 3080?

little osprey
#

^

#

yes

#

should be fine

halcyon olive
#

im slow i need assistance

fringe wharf
#

Bet

little osprey
#

Dexy

#

im here to help :)

halcyon olive
#

Ye

#

Yay

fringe wharf
#

Hit them dms 😉

little osprey
#

r u able to purchase a 3070 any chance ?

fringe wharf
#

Lmao

little osprey
#

if not we can go 5700xt

halcyon olive
#

i mean if i save up for a few weeks i can possibly get 300$ more

#

for 3070

little osprey
#

no i mean are there any 3070's availible in ur area

#

because i already put in a 3070 within the pcpp i sent

halcyon olive
#

oh in jacksonville Florida Man

little osprey
#

which would total around 1260

halcyon olive
#

idk

little osprey
#

got it lemme do a quick thing

glass harness
#

there are 0 where i live

#

otehr than the scammers on ebay

halcyon olive
#

bc guys

#

my current pc AKA a gaming laptop

#

has a 10th gen i5

glass harness
#

ouf

#

oh nvm

halcyon olive
#

and a 1660 ti Max-Q design

#

and 8gb of ram

little osprey
glass harness
#

better than my pc 😄

little osprey
#

here here

glass harness
#

at everything other than multitasking

halcyon olive
#

okok

little osprey
#

@stoic island heyo i gotta head out in a few but this is what i got for Dexy

thorny tusk
stoic island
#

Not bad

little osprey
#

troll ignore

karmic bobcat
#

That’s the best

thorny tusk
#

lol

karmic bobcat
#

Y r u guys calling him trolls?

#

That can run Minesweeper no problem

stoic island
#

I don't like how b550 pro vdh wifi is 120$ now

thorny tusk
#

yes

stoic island
#

I liked the spot it was at 110$

karmic bobcat
#

Too much memory imo. 4GB of ram you’ll never use

little osprey
#

I don't like how b550 pro vdh wifi is 120$ now
@stoic island i mean a b550 with solid vrms + wifi for 120 is still good but i agree 110 was a lot better

thorny tusk
#

you right

stoic island
#

Mhm

#

It's good

#

Still

#

But I liked 110$ better

little osprey
#

yee the cheaper the better

thorny tusk
#

thats a third of the cost of my pc

little osprey
#

and i liked the 1600af when it was 85 usdd kekw

karmic bobcat
#

Bruh who can make the worse PC?

#

Like rn

little osprey
thorny tusk
#

its a function pc but the bare minum

karmic bobcat
#

Beat that piece of poop pc 😤

cursive haven
thorny tusk
#

you know its bad when staples is where you cna buy the part

stoic island
#

Yes

#

You can make it cheaper and better at the same time

cursive haven
#

You can make it cheaper and better at the same time
@stoic island in what ways

stoic island
#

By throwing out the MS30 and getting a half decent ssd to start off

#

500gb will work

karmic bobcat
#

Same goes for the SHDD

#

Or the hybrid drive

stoic island
#

Throw the oloy out, get aegis 3200c16 for 2$ less

#

Better ram for less

cursive haven
#

Same goes for the SHDD
@karmic bobcat i just hav the sshd from an old build

karmic bobcat
#

Oh nvm lol

stoic island
#

Mx330-g air for 55$

cursive haven
#

lol

karmic bobcat
#

Lol

stoic island
#

(5$ cheaper)

unborn bane
#

it is SSHD. they're disgusting. worse than a HDD

#

if you want reliable, get a crucial, or samsung

stoic island
#

That monitor is way overpriced

#

@unborn bane model_brand

cursive haven
#

its 180

#

not 270

stoic island
#

MSI g241 should still be 180$ on Newegg

#

Lemme see

unborn bane
#

wat?

stoic island
#

Eh it's back to 190$ now

#

@unborn bane model matters, not the brand

#

Crucial makes crap and good SSDs at the same time for example

unborn bane
#

they're all reliable

cursive haven
#

is ther a better 1tb ssd for under 95

stoic island
#

Eh

#

@cursive haven it's called not a 1tb ssd

#

I have a ms30

#

It sucks

#

Dramless kills it

#

It's as slow as my hdd now

little osprey
#

still wonder to this day why people buy dramless ssd’s

karmic bobcat
#

F.

stoic island
#

Because people sort by cheapest and buy it

#

Before they research it

little osprey
#

me picking out a 5700xt ;-;

cursive haven
stoic island
#

P1

#

Easily

little osprey
#

P1

cursive haven
#

ok

stoic island
#

But didn't you want to save money lmao

#

Oh well

unborn bane
#

the 665p is actually a decent quality drive

stoic island
#

P sure p1 has a bigger cache

#

I dunno how to think about a80

#

Used to be good

#

Switched controllers

#

Now it's just iffy

little osprey
#

a60 still seems pre good

cursive haven
#

ok

stoic island
#

P32a60 is dramless I'm pretty sure

unborn bane
#

you don't want 2.5" that's for sure. it is easily bottlenecked

little osprey
#

P32a60 is dramless I'm pretty sure
@stoic island silicon power ?

unborn bane
#

filter only m.2 (m) interface

little osprey
#

you don't want 2.5" that's for sure. it is easily bottlenecked
@unborn bane i wouldn't call it bottlenecking ;-;

#

and for extreme budget builds a good vulcan 2.5 is good enough

unborn bane
#

it is. 6Gb max theoretical is crap. NVMe M.2 drives have a 4GB theoretical max

#

that's 32Gb vs 6Gb

little osprey
#

no i know its underperforming but calling it bottenecking just doens't seem like the right word for it

foggy hazel
#

@unborn bane 3.0 drives have 4gb max

unborn bane
#

what

#

the connection speed. pcie gen3 x4 is 32Gb/s, and sata 3 is 6gb/s

foggy hazel
#

ah, that is what you meant :)

unborn bane
#

the drives themselves may not be good enough to hit those high speeds, but it's certainly faster than sata bus is

foggy hazel
#

your 4GB theoretical made no sense in the context to me.

unborn bane
#

oh that was gigabyte not gigabit

foggy hazel
#

aye aye

unborn bane
#

32gigabit is 4gigabyte

foggy hazel
#

i see your context "now"

unborn bane
#

haha all good

foggy hazel
#

i dont agree with your conclusion thou

unborn bane
#

yeah i hate how they decide yeah lets use two scales for the same measurement

foggy hazel
#

for the great majority, they will never notice if they are on a sata or a nvme drive

#

however, for a new build "now"

unborn bane
#

probably the wrong word but meh.

thinking about it it really wouldn't be bottlenecked. 2.5" ssd's never hit their bandwidth limit

foggy hazel
#

it makes very little sense to not go nvme.

unborn bane
#

yeah i've never seen a sata 4 bus haha

little osprey
#

especially since they so cheap now

stoic island
#

@little osprey a60 has hmb not dram

little osprey
#

ohh bet

unborn bane
#

ya mean hbm?

stoic island
#

And be careful with Vulcan now, Vulcan has dram, but there's a new Vulcan G that doesn't have dram.

#

Hmb

#

Host memory bus

#

Not High bandwidth memory

unborn bane
#

oh

#

my bad

stoic island
#

Mhm

#

HBM be vram, HMB tech is for SSD

unborn bane
#

i mean they could use hbm for the cache?

#

that would be insane read write speeds

stoic island
#

Then they call it dram

#

Lol

#

Usually too expensive afaik

unborn bane
#

i mean 24GB of hbm memory is expensive yeah, but like 128mb? i don't think it'd be that expensive

stoic island
#

Thing is

#

I don't even know what kind of dram SSDs use

#

Maybe they do use hbm2

#

Who knows

unborn bane
#

the 970 evo plus uses 512MB Samsung LPDDR4

#

they could easily go to ddr6x

#

we have the tech for it

stoic island
#

Gddr6x?

#

Thought Nvidia worked with someone else to do g6x

#

Anyways dram speed doesn't matter much in consumer SSDs

unborn bane
#

they did, but the ddr6 tech, (notice no G) is just an upgrade over ddr4, same as 4 was an upgrade on 3

stoic island
#

It's not used for cache or anything, it's for drive data location

#

Never heard of ddr6 from Samsung

#

Usually SSDs use SLC caching

unborn bane
#

samsung makes the Gddr6 chips 😆

stoic island
#

Eek what

#

Thought you said no g, just ddr6

foggy hazel
#

"i mean 24GB of hbm memory is expensive yeah, but like 128mb? i don't think it'd be that expensive" <- the problem with that is with how HBM is actually made. it would be VERY impractical to make something that small in HBM @unborn bane

unborn bane
#

oh okay

foggy hazel
#

what makes HBM is the insane "width" of it

unborn bane
#

actually yeah, HBM would be using half its bus to instantly fill the cache

#

not even half

foggy hazel
#

it would be twiddling its thumbs in boredom for eternity

unborn bane
#

this is why i wish gigabyte used HBM on their honeycomb

foggy hazel
#

:)

little osprey
#

nod and smile

unborn bane
#

that would be a much better use of it, offboard cache on the card, then feeding to the SSD's

#

WAIT i have never seen a B key PCIe SSD

#

until now. gigabyte what the hell?

#

@raw ice nice. good colour scheme memory in right spot. i would probably suggest that GPU power go above the card for support. those things love to sag

polar anvil
#

is it a good case ping me please

little osprey
#

no

#

sure dont look it

stoic island
#

No ping because case no good

little osprey
#

i can just tell by the solid front panel

polar anvil
#

what is a good case for airflow

little osprey
#

budget ?

stoic island
#

Mx330-g air

unborn bane
#

haha you want airflow?

#

use the Deepcool matrexx55 mesh
DP-ATX-MATREXX55-MESH-AR-4F

gritty zenith
#

good airflow?

unborn bane
#

very

gritty zenith
#

its called a test bench

unborn bane
#

hey no

#

cheating

gritty zenith
#

not a bad thing tho my ex did it a lot

unborn bane
#

i mean if you don't care for literally anything dropping onto your PC,then sure bench build

#

omg @meager pumice what have you done? they better have some form of mesh on those pipes outside

meager pumice
#

yes i put filters

unborn bane
#

good

meager pumice
#

lol

unborn bane
#

next step add fans on the outside so it pushes through instead of pulling

meager pumice
#

yes thats what i thought too

#

also it was 20farienhiet when i took that pic

unborn bane
#

damn, below 0 cooling right there XD

meager pumice
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lol not quite

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pretty soon though

unborn bane
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do you have an aircon?

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oh sorry, i'm talking celcius mode

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32F is freezing point, which is considered "below 0"

meager pumice
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oh ya

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lol

unborn bane
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you got an aircon? in summer hook those pipes up to part of the aircon, don't even need fans haha

trail shuttle
meager pumice
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is an aircon like an airconditioning

trail shuttle
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??

unborn bane
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yes

trail shuttle
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plz tell

unborn bane
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@trail shuttle no

little osprey
meager pumice
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no but there is an AC vent right next to the pc on the floor

unborn bane
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you need a better powersupply

trail shuttle
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does it now @little osprey

unborn bane
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a 550W psu is not enough for a 3600 and a 3070

little osprey
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ive made a build quite similar to that one Phoenix

trail shuttle
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oh ok

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whats ur psu

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and is it under 100

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plz

gaunt vortex
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AC vent next to the PC would be nice. I've normally had to underclock my current PC so it does not boil in the summer.

meager pumice
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i also undervolted my gpu

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not underclock

trail shuttle
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@little osprey how much wattage do i need

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for a 3070

little osprey
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just pick up a 650 phanteks amp or a df rev 750

trail shuttle
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k

meager pumice
trail shuttle
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Phanteks AMP 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply

little osprey
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yes

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also p400a over td500

trail shuttle
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k thx alot man

little osprey
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unless u just like the td500

trail shuttle
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better

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now

gaunt vortex
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I went overkill with my PSU because I don't know how much to trust part picker's numbers

unborn bane
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replace that PSU with a Gigabyte P GM 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply

little osprey
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again that is not how it works

trail shuttle
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if u use a 3000 series than

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it does not tellu

unborn bane
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the gigabyte PSU's are very reliable

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it's like the same price

foggy hazel
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what is the warranty on the GB models?

unborn bane
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i think it's 5 years

foggy hazel
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because its competing with 10years on the AMP

unborn bane
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lemme check

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10 years

foggy hazel
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and who makes the GB units?

unborn bane
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gigabyte does?

foggy hazel
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because last i checked, GB does not make PSU's themselves

modern pagoda
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rlly

unborn bane
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i use them at work all the time. very reliable

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the GPU power also has caps on them

foggy hazel
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who is their oem? is the question i am asking @unborn bane

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not saying they cannot be good. but because i am curious

unborn bane
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Channel Well Technology's GPS series apparently

foggy hazel
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hm

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@cursive wharf you know anything about the above models?

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just pinging him, because i know he would be interested too :)

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congratulations @olive kraken :)

fringe wharf
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Almost have my build complete. All I need is my cpu and psu tmr. I’m excited

stoic island
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@foggy hazel orionpsudb usually tells you goodies about OEMs, it's been down for a while, maybe there's a backup page?

foggy hazel
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aye:)

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and i have not seen (or looked) for a backup page

timber isle
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is the enthoo pro case any good?