building-and-recc-chat

[stoic island]

tbh

[arctic jungle]

@next kestrel no spending 1.5k on a second stream PC is a waste

spend as much as you need on a main one

[stoic island]

it makes sense if you want a second PC that your friends can play on if they come over

[little osprey]

@next kestrel my opinion on that is that 10c for 450$ like the 10850k is good and a good value

[stoic island]

or a second PC for other things

[next kestrel]

550$ is the 5900x

[little osprey]

10850k is a 10900k for 100$ less

[next kestrel]

12 core 24 thread with supposedly better single thread perfs

[little osprey]

yeah but it depends

on the price

[next kestrel]

10850k is also lower binned

[stoic island]

10850k is a 10900k that isn't good enough bin

[next kestrel]

one of the advantages of intel is the overclocking

that brings cpus like 10600k to the 10900k single thread levels

[little osprey]

yeah

[next kestrel]

and 10850k you're kinda confirming that you can't overclock much

[little osprey]

i mean if you can buy it for 100 dollars less and you can overclock it to 5.0 ghz on basically all units

and more

[north umbra]

Hey guys im planning to build my first pc which cpu is the best overall and is going to last longer and future proof?

[stoic island]

10850k was literally because Intel couldn't make enough chips that were good enough to be 10900k

@north umbra wait for Zen 3 benchmarks

those are posed to be great

[covert pewter]

Can someone make me a 1000$ dollar list

[stoic island]

when building

[north umbra]

Ok sure im currently using my 12 year old computer with a intel i5 560m

An*

[next kestrel]

[stoic island]

fun

[little osprey]

@next kestrel would you buy a 10850k over a 10900k for 100$ less. i mean you aren't a person who wants to overclock a cpu to 5,2ghz or 5,3

[next kestrel]

i wouldnt buy a 10 core cpu in general no

[little osprey]

5,1ghz if you are lucky is the sweetspot if you haven't a custom watercooled pc

[stoic island]

the issue isn't 10850k vs 10900k

[next kestrel]

because i dont do much other than play games

[stoic island]

the issue is 10850k vs 5900x, remember?

[little osprey]

yeah i know

[stoic island]

we're saying 10850k isn't equal to 10900k, so we can't be comparing 10900k to 5900x.

[next kestrel]

in the case that I had a 4.5k budget to build 2 computers

i would

[little osprey]

@stoic island i know what you want to say

[stoic island]

:)

anyways

back to the start

@spark raven what do you want to do with the second PC? Just streaming?

because seriously a 600$ or 800$ second PC would do just fine for streaming.

[little osprey]

yeah you only need a pc with a gtx 1060 or less and a entry level cpu and a capture card

[stoic island]

I'd get at least a 1660 super or 2060 for gud nvenc

[little osprey]

oh completely forgotten

@stoic island should i return my 10850k order then?

[stoic island]

hm?

Not really unless you want to try your luck at 5900x

it's not a bad chip by any means

it just might not compare well to 5900x from what we've been told so far.

[little osprey]

but will all x570 or b550 bords be compatible to zen3 out of the box

because they need a bios update

[stoic yacht]

hello

[stoic island]

@little osprey A bit complicated, b550/x570 with AGESA 1.0.8 (already out since like two month ago) can boot with Zen 3, but they suggest AGESA 1.1.0 for good perf with Zen 3

[little osprey]

this shit's complicated

do you have some boards like that

[cold sierra]

I want to switch to ryzen but im stuck with an i7 for now:/

[little osprey]

i cany only think of high end asus msi or gigabyte boards

[stoic island]

hm?

it's a bios update

for all motherboards

AGESA code updates that is

for example brb

[stoic yacht]

you guys have any recomanation for a 1660 brand?

[north umbra]

Which cpu last longer amd or intel?

[stoic yacht]

i think intel

[cold sierra]

you guys have any recomanation for a 1660 brand?
@stoic yacht you can find good deals for 2080s right now

[stoic yacht]

but thats my opinion

[wanton pebble]

can anyone tell me if this is good for me to buy for editing and gaming

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/RTgRJf

[stoic island]

Good example from X570-plus wifi @little osprey

[stoic yacht]

actually @cold sierra

[little osprey]

@stoic yacht Msi Gigabyte and EVGA

[stoic island]

@wanton pebble I'd wait for benchmarks for new Zen 3 chips and grab one of those

[cold sierra]

Yeah I got my 2080 duke oc for 500

[little osprey]

@stoic island thanks

[stoic island]

that list looks like it'll be out of date soon

[stoic yacht]

How on amazon 2080s are over 1000

[cold sierra]

Just look around market place and second hand

[stoic island]

especially the 2070 super

@stoic yacht used market

[stoic yacht]

oh

[little osprey]

a h710 is a case which is really a hotbox

[stoic yacht]

i wantewd to get a 1660 for my cousin but i have a 2070

[little osprey]

a 360mm aio is in my opinion too much for the r5 3600

take the h510i or non i with the kraken x63

[cold sierra]

Ah I see

I would look at the used market you can get insane deals

[wanton pebble]

@stoic island it is i am not sure to wait for the 3090 from evga or to get a 2080ti

[stoic island]

uh what

[cold sierra]

Like my pc only cost about 1200 to build when I have a 2080 inside and can use it well

[stoic island]

please do not get a 2080ti

please don't

get a 3080 maybe

[little osprey]

3080 is the best value option

[stoic yacht]

i wanted to get a 3080 but these stupid bots just get it instantly

[little osprey]

if you a patient then wait it is worth it

[stoic island]

I mean

[cold sierra]

I dont think it worth the upgrade for me just too expensive right now and I will just get the next gen when it comes

[stoic island]

I've seen them in stock before

[arctic jungle]

@stoic island did the thing load yet?

[stoic island]

yea it doesn't give current ratings sooo

no real way to tell you how many you can daisy chain or go with off a single header

[arctic jungle]

pshshhshshshshshsh

[stoic yacht]

i seen a kid buy a prebuild pc on amazon and it had a i9 9900k with a 3090 and he smashed it and he was proud the total of the pc was 7000+

[stoic island]

lol

lmfao

[little osprey]

💀

[stoic yacht]

i was crying

[stoic island]

7000$

wow

[stoic yacht]

imagine

[stoic island]

that's worth like 4000$ MAX

[little osprey]

man i'm dying

[stoic island]

2500$ if you build it

[stoic yacht]

ik

[stoic island]

4000$ would be like with Prebuild margins

and it's actually 7000$

[little osprey]

is it custom watercooled

[stoic yacht]

no

aio cooled

[little osprey]

that's tough

[stoic yacht]

ikr

[wheat axle]

hey guys! now that the 3070 benchmarks are released do u think i could get around 200 fps 1080p?

warzone and other fps btw

[stoic yacht]

he smshed it bc it had a 200w power supply and yhim being the dumb person he is he decided not to change it to a better one then smash it

[hazy rune]

Depends on your cpu @wheat axle

[wheat axle]

uhh im gonna buy a 5800x most likely

if i can get one that is

[stoic island]

o damn

GN got a review out that I didn't catch

I gotta go see that

[little osprey]

@stoic yacht 200 whaaat

[wheat axle]

otherwise i already have a 3800x'

[arctic jungle]

@stoic island any guesses as to how much stuff I can put on a single header

[stoic island]

no idea

[little osprey]

i'm watching GN video to rtx 3070

[stoic island]

I don't know per-rgb current ratings, nor the per-header current ratings

I only saw LTT earlier today

so I watched that rq

and it gave like nothing useful

[little osprey]

yeah you know it's Linus

[stoic island]

like ofc there's good info like this in GN vid

RDR2 1080p fps does not give you 200fps but other less-intensive games will likely be fine @wheat axle

[wheat axle]

is warzone less intensive?

[stoic island]

hell yea

rdr2 is really really intensive

compared to FPS games

[wheat axle]

oh ok great i think im gonna try to preorder it when it launches

thanks!

[stoic yacht]

can someone buy me nitro

[stoic island]

@stoic yacht just help people and they'll buy you nitro >:D

[stoic yacht]

oh ok!

how old r u guys

[outer heart]

you want a higher core/ boost clock correct?

[stoic island]

@outer heart for what

[outer heart]

gpus

should have been more clear lol

[uneven blade]

Is 750W enough for an ASUS TUF 3080 OC and a 5800x?

[stoic island]

Like what GPUs

need specific

[outer heart]

3070 and 2060s

[stoic island]

@uneven blade we're not completely sure on 5800x power usage, it should be fine, but for a new build, grab a revolution D.F. 850w for 130$

@outer heart it's really hard to compare clocks to clocks accross generations

[little osprey]

@stoic yacht if you're asking then you first

[stoic island]

and remember the core count differences

[uneven blade]

Because the ASUS website recommends an 850W power supply and EVGA reccomends 750W but they both have the same listed wattage

[outer heart]

oh yeah

[little osprey]

i will use a gaming x trio rtx 3080 with 10850k on a 750 watt

[stoic island]

@uneven blade focus on the word recommend

says nothing about need

[uneven blade]

I'm confused what do you mean new?

[stoic island]

dunno why I typed new when I wanted to say need

[uneven blade]

Becaause I already got a 750W power supply because the EVGA 3080s recommend 750W but I've been waiting for a long time so i'm prepared to buy an ASUS but it recommends 850W so I don't know if it will run

[stoic island]

if you already have it, wait for 5800x reviews on power consumption

watch GN, they'll 99% do power consumption testing on it.

[uneven blade]

I bought my power supply from Best Buy and its the SeaSonic Focus Gold 750 so i don't know if I can return it and get an 850W

[stoic island]

there's a good chance it'll work fine

5800x tdp is listed as 105w

[uneven blade]

Were you referring to a 750 or 850W?

[clear cradle]

When Ryzen 3 4200G came out?

[stoic island]

750w should work fine

[stoic yacht]

rate my friends setup

[stoic island]

(TDP Does not tell you about real power draw, for example, 10900k tdp is like 125w, but with a slight all core OC, it's 300w draw)

@stoic yacht I'm going to hope the right side monitor is the main monitor and is parallel with the wall

[stoic yacht]

well idk

he sent me it

[stoic island]

and where's the mousepad lol

[little osprey]

well its clean

[stoic yacht]

i cann show you my setu

[uneven blade]

I went online and got on a wattage calculator and I put in a Ryzen 9 3900x and a 3080 and it came out to like 550W I think

[little osprey]

i like clean and colourful setups

[stoic island]

and by the way

[little osprey]

https://www.bequiet.com/de/psucalculator

pls use this they are exagerating

[stoic island]

that picture is on a lot of websites, so I wouldn't doubt if it's not his @stoic yacht

@little osprey meh, I like pcpartpicker's wattage calculator

or just doing it yourself

CPU draw+GPU draw+~100w system draw

[little osprey]

they say a 10900k with a 3080 will use 1000w

[stoic island]

who?

[uneven blade]

I can tell they are exaggerating they are saying it will use 743 W

[stoic island]

3080 FE draw is around 320w, 375w OC. 10900k 125w tdp, 300w OC.

so that's 675w CPU+GPU draw OCed, then plus 100w system draw, so like 775w total system draw.

3080 power draw source

[stoic yacht]

This is my setup

Can y’all rate

It

Cables are ok

[stoic island]

I don't like the look of the case tbh

[stoic yacht]

its a lian-li case

forgot the model

thingg

ik im using the top panel usbs

[uneven blade]

Should I just see if I can return my power supply, I think I can get it back in the box the way it came, the only thing I don't have is a little plastic bag that came with it

[stoic yacht]

just teporary

[little osprey]

its ok

[stoic yacht]

wow

thansk

i thought i was gonna get bullied

[stoic island]

@uneven blade I'd wait for testing first

[little osprey]

its clean but the cables should be better managed

[stoic yacht]

for having this

but thank you

[stoic island]

750w should be fine

I only have 2 real issues I see

[uneven blade]

ok

[stoic yacht]

wait

the stickers

or the actual consle

[uneven blade]

The problem is there is a chance I'll get an opporotunity to get a 3080 before the 5000 series comes out

[stoic island]

the console

[stoic yacht]

oh

what about it

[stoic island]

and the case kinda bothers me tbh

[stoic yacht]

ik man

[stoic island]

it just doesn't fit there

idrc about cable management as long as it's not in the way

and I think the PC should go where the console is, with front fans facing you.

[stoic yacht]

yea

[little osprey]

i mean everbody have their opinion on the looks of cases

[stoic yacht]

i can sya specs

if you want

[uneven blade]

If I got an 850W PSU, would I be pretty much guaranteed a powerful enough PSU?

[stoic island]

@little osprey I mean how the case is positioned bothers me

I don't want to see the back of the front fan

@uneven blade unless AMD decides 3800x will draw 400w, yea basically.

Revolution d.f. 850w for 130$ is good

[uneven blade]

I don't plan to overclock so yeah

[stoic yacht]

ASRock Z390 Phantom Gaming 4S

[little osprey]

@stoic island ahh okay

[deep skiff]

i mean u could get a 850w psu from like taobao or something that is worse than a solid 550w psu but usually a 850w should be a decent psu

[winter marsh]

@uneven blade it looks good on paper

[stoic yacht]

ASRock Z390 Phantom Gaming 4S PowerSpec/Lian Li ATX 205 Intel Core i7 9700KF (3.6GHz) 32GB
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 Super 750 Watt those are the specs for my pc

are they good?

[uneven blade]

I was thinking of going with a SeaSonic Gold 850 because I might be able to get an exchange at BestBuy

[stoic island]

Gara what

@uneven blade eh GX850w or like GM850w would be decent

[winter marsh]

Enermax is a name brand that's been around even sold in Comp USA, but not known as a high end like SeaSonic

[sullen spoke]

[stoic island]

It's not known, doesn't make it bad

and that again

[deep skiff]

[sullen spoke]

Nice handwriting haha

[winter marsh]

Yeah I was saying the same thing about my Apex Gaming Gold 850 yet....

[deep skiff]

thank you i wrote it on ms paint at midnight

[sullen spoke]

[stoic island]

lol

well the thing is

[sullen spoke]

You can always check psu tier list

[stoic island]

@winter marsh Revolution D.F. is listed as A tier on PSU tier list, only PSUs from Apexgaming are in tier D.

[uneven blade]

I'm just gonna keep my 750W and if I need to upgrade PSU's its only like $20-$30 more

[stoic island]

So that would be where we get our "Apexgaming isn't as good" thing from, if we had any

yea

that works

[stoic yacht]

ASRock Z390 Phantom Gaming 4S Lian Li ATX 205 Intel Core i7 9700KF (3.6GHz) 32GB
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 Super 750 Watt those are the specs for my pc can yall rate them?

[little leaf]

Is that a list

[stoic island]

current pc

or building the pc

[little leaf]

Or current

[stoic yacht]

thats my current pc

[stoic island]

not bad

[little leaf]

Fine could’ve got better for price

[sullen spoke]

Model matter more than brand, but there can be cases where some brand tend to be good or bad with few outliers

what is clock and latency on ram

[winter marsh]

I'm Mr. Mom everyday with a empty Fratal Disign mid tower off my left armrest, a Cougar MX410 housing my X570 build, a Zalman S4 Plus housing my z97 build, a Sama midtower I upgraded to a Msi z97, plus six more active pc builds around the room

[stoic island]

@sullen spoke "clock" is just frequency

[sullen spoke]

yes

[winter marsh]

I am basically swimming in pc tech and toddler toy brawls

[sullen spoke]

i mean like the specs he list

[stoic island]

latency usually talks about cas latency, mainly about number of cycles before read and write operations.

[sullen spoke]

lol

[stoic island]

ah

[sullen spoke]

just 32gb

[stoic island]

that was just kinda random question

so I answered it >:P

[sullen spoke]

i should specify more xD

[stoic island]

96000 btw

[sullen spoke]

[torpid belfry]

Im building my first pc and am wondering if i can ask anyone if they know some parts i haved picked out will work together

[fast dust]

sure. ask away. send the list

[vague maple]

mhmm

[torpid belfry]

ok https://newegg.io/b8ce2cc it wont let me add a power supply but im gonna go with a 500w

[little leaf]

No that is pretty bad

and use pcpp

[fast dust]

oh boy

that needs some work

whats your budget? $800?

[torpid belfry]

900$

thanks yall

[vague maple]

jesus christ

you gotta change pretty much everything lmao

[torpid belfry]

ok this is why i asked

[fast dust]

@torpid belfry https://pcpartpicker.com/list/CzpZRT

this thing literally is like 4x better than your other one lmao

[torpid belfry]

ok thank you

[vague maple]

i swapped out the case for a masterbox argb mATX case which has 2 fans presinstalled and used the excess cash for a 500 gig nvme drive

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/LCMJ8J

@torpid belfry @fast dust

[fast dust]

SN550 doesnt have DRAM

its not a good ssd

[vague maple]

oh ok

lemme look for a better one

what about the crucial p2?

[fast dust]

p2 is pretty good

is the MP34 around that price?

if so, get that instead

and the meshify C has 2 fans btw, and its full ATX, leaving room for upgrade

[vague maple]

yeah but i would take the masterbox and a 500 gig nvme over the meshify c

[stoic island]

@fast dust usually it's p2 60$ and mp34 63$ so

[stark ridge]

Hi,

I need to have discussion on Cisco ASR 1001

anyone can help me out?

[stoic island]

You can ask your question, someone will answer :)

[little osprey]

hey does anyone know if a cooler master liquid aio work with a asrock z390 pro4?

[stoic island]

@little osprey if it includes lga1151 mounting, you just need to check if the case will fit.

[stark ridge]

I have 1Gig ISP UP/Down internet connection, i need router/firewall who can give up/down of atleast 1 Gig speed.
i'm thinking to give Cisco ASR1001 1001 Aggregation Services Router.

[little osprey]

cool thanks

[stark ridge]

https://www.newegg.com/cisco-asr1001/p/1A0-000P-006U7?item=9SIAMGHB3B8057&nm_mc=knc-googleadwords&cm_mmc=knc-googleadwords-_-network - switch modules-_-cisco systems%2C inc.-_-9SIAMGHB3B8057&source=region#

[stoic island]

What kind of specs do you need it to have in terms of ports?

[stark ridge]

i need 1 Gig

sfp

[covert pewter]

Can someone make me a 1000$ build list

[trail ravine]

soo uh does anyone know any good ITX cases w/o a clear side panel at or under $80?
I'm currently considering the define nano s

[analog marsh]

Anyone know what SFP is best used with HPE JL357A#ABA Aruba IOT Ready 2540 48-Port PoE+ Gigabit Ethernet 4 SFP+ Switch?

[deep skiff]

nr200p is like 100 but has a glass side panel and a riser cable but its usually oos @trail ravine

[torpid belfry]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/mmd4qp 800$ budget? this good

[little osprey]

why that ram

just get the g.skill ripjaws

[trail ravine]

^

[torpid belfry]

i thought i did

oops

[little osprey]

get a cheaper ssd

[trail ravine]

ooh comes w/ a pci riser

now i'm considering it

[torpid belfry]

considering what

[little osprey]

i forgot

but if mr1111 comes back online

[torpid belfry]

and what ssd you think @little osprey

[little osprey]

ask him for cheap ssd

recommendations

[torpid belfry]

ok

[little osprey]

but u could stick with the one u have if u want

ur choice

well i have a test so cya

[potent prairie]

Cheapest or best value ssd?

[torpid belfry]

value prob

[potent prairie]

Look at the MP34 or SN750, whichever is cheaper

[torpid belfry]

ok

[potent prairie]

If that's too pricey, I can recommend some cheaper ones that aren't bad

[torpid belfry]

ok brb

[potent prairie]

mp34 is probably best for that build. About the same price as the WD blue and way better

[torpid belfry]

yeah thats what ill go with

[potent prairie]

Also maybe look at a cheap b450 or b550 board vs that A series one

[torpid belfry]

other then that anything else you would change

oops ok

[potent prairie]

This is a slightly better PSU for less: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/FL3H99/seasonic-s12iii-500-w-80-bronze-certified-atx-power-supply-ssr-500gb3

you can use the $14 you save on that to get a cheap b450 instead

[real jewel]

Anyone able to help confirm this memory is compatible with my Del PowerEdge T130 server?

https://www.newegg.com/p/0RN-0005-00633

[meager pumice]

thermaltake view 51 vs lianli o11 dynamic xl?

[torpid belfry]

for motherboard do you think gigabyte b450m ds3h

@potent prairie

[potent prairie]

It's ok. I would prefer a tuf board, but that's fine

[torpid belfry]

ill look at the tuff ones

[potent prairie]

I wouldn't bother if it's too much more

[little osprey]

Do yall know the cheapest streaming build? The one I put together on partpicker is 800$ but I'm sure theres cheaper, it includes accessories too btw.

[foggy hazel]

it all comes back to what you deem "acceptable" stream performance

[little osprey]

True

[foggy hazel]

and why do you need the "cheapest streaming build"?

[little osprey]

I'm poor but I wanna start streaming

[foggy hazel]

a gpu with Nvenc and off you go

[little osprey]

Ight thanks!

[foggy hazel]

you are welcome

[little osprey]

for motherboard do you think gigabyte b450m ds3h
@torpid belfry get the b550m ds3h

if u can

[safe magnet]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/4RdNQD my current old build.... what would u change to upgrade?

[desert gulch]

everything

tbh

[safe magnet]

lol

[desert gulch]

lol

[safe magnet]

cant due to budget

still works

[desert gulch]

o hi naed

[foggy hazel]

you can keep following:

[desert gulch]

naed can help

[foggy hazel]

psu, monitor, case ssd

those can be used for some builds

[desert gulch]

ye

[foggy hazel]

the rest are just "dead end" parts

[desert gulch]

its ddr3 sigh

[foggy hazel]

that does NOT mean they cannot work just fine

just that there are limits to what you can "get" from them

[desert gulch]

ye if its working fine for you then thats good

[safe magnet]

got it i got the 980ti for 1000 when it was new lol

[desert gulch]

wow

[safe magnet]

now its trash

[foggy hazel]

ah, sorry, that one you can obviously keep.

i thought i had that in the list at the start :)

[desert gulch]

wasnt the 980ti like 700 new?

when launched?

USD?

[foggy hazel]

649

[languid nimbus]

^

[safe magnet]

yeah usd i spent 1000 on my gphx card 4-5 years ago

[desert gulch]

wow

[foggy hazel]

whoever sold it for that amount to you, thanked you all the way to the bank

[desert gulch]

yeas

[foggy hazel]

and on a holiday after it

[desert gulch]

unless its a 980ti lightning

[safe magnet]

GIGABYTE GeForce GTX 980Ti 6GB G1 Gaming OC Edition

that's straight from past orders in new egg maybe i got ripped off a little

[fringe kayak]

does the i7-10700k bottleneck the 3080?

[foggy hazel]

does it matter @fringe kayak ?

[fringe kayak]

i mean

it does because im asking

[foggy hazel]

you can make any card bottleneck any cpu

and vice versa

[fringe kayak]

is it a good pairing then

[foggy hazel]

its good enough. if you are dead set on going intel and cannot wait about a weeks time

[desert gulch]

ye

the new zen 3 does looks promising tho

[fringe kayak]

alright

[desert gulch]

if you can wait

its out on nov 5

[fringe kayak]

ive never used amd i dont think

[desert gulch]

the new 5950x looks like it beats the 10900k in single and mulitcore

so

[still roost]

desolator#2100 has been warned

Reason: Duplicated text

[ebon summit]

Guys I still haven't found a good prebuilt for 1k or less

This is the best I got so far but its intel

[vital warren]

b u i l d

[ebon summit]

NO

I will never unless upgrading

[vital warren]

rip performance

[foggy hazel]

@ebon summit you are looking for a unicorn in a country that hunts unicorns for sport

[little osprey]

rip

[ebon summit]

The thing is the hardest game i play is r6 siege

Why built for something like that

[little osprey]

i thought nzxt had a amd version of this prebuilt

[ebon summit]

I wish

I was looking at ryzen pcs too but this is still better being wifi built in and stream ready

[stoic island]

Building is just cheaper and better smh

[little osprey]

i mean its fun to build a pc

Yes

and you can say to everybody that you build it yourselve

[ebon summit]

I dont want to spend hours building a pc that might not even work

Thats the truth

[vital warren]

compared to that i5 9400f/2060 for a thousand, you could build like a ryzen 5 3600 + 3070

or whatever amd has

[ebon summit]

I want a pc built and ready for me

[vital warren]

a lot more performance

[stoic island]

Then do you want to spend hours trying to figure out what's wrong with a PC that was shipped to you?

[little osprey]

just watch jayztwocents

[ebon summit]

I found this too

[vital warren]

building a computer looks intimidating but it's really not

[stoic island]

Because there's also a good chance the prebuilt has issues too

[ebon summit]

@stoic island I could ship it back lol

[vital warren]

a few youtube videos and you understand most of building tbh

[stoic island]

So you want to wait 2 weeks for a replacement rather than spend 2 hours debugging?

[little osprey]

just buy the nzxt one its more reliable

[ebon summit]

I live in the same state as nzxt

So not really waiting 2 weeks

[languid nimbus]

heard mixed things about Skytech

[little osprey]

skytech is bad

[ebon summit]

I probably will go with the nzxt

[vital warren]

ahh my head

[ebon summit]

The only thing is its intel and I heard its not the best for streaming

[little osprey]

they are using really cheap components

[ebon summit]

But it does say its stream ready

[stoic island]

Then do you think NZXT can fix your things up in under 2 hours :p

[little osprey]

you dont need cpu for streaming

you need the nvenc encoder

on the gpu

[stoic island]

Nvenc op

[vital warren]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/LqzV68

something like this

so much more

power

[ebon summit]

The gpu is good on it or no

[stoic island]

@vital warren where's the 170$ coming from

[ebon summit]

The 2060

[stoic island]

2060 at 1000$? Not really

[vital warren]

i'm trusting the 3600 goes back down

[little osprey]

@stoic island is it too much?

[vital warren]

i aint paying 200 for it

[stoic island]

Lol

[ebon summit]

@stoic island overpriced or just not good

[stoic island]

It was on walmart for 170$

[ebon summit]

Because the fps for the games i had was amazing

[languid nimbus]

i think nvidia recommends 650w for 3070 though

[little osprey]

but with a low end cpu 600 is enough

[languid nimbus]

though i know its just 50w, lol

[stoic island]

@ebon summit I'm pretty sure the 2060 NZXT offers is ventus, which has a thin heatsink and likes to overheat

[little osprey]

i think they tested it with the 10980x

[vital warren]

ventus ew

[stoic island]

Oh it might not be

But everything else does not look promising

B365 board

Meaning 2666mhz max speed

[little osprey]

ah yeah

[languid nimbus]

[stoic island]

Sad

[foggy hazel]

@little osprey "but with a low end cpu 600 is enough" <- even with a high end cpu, 550 would be plenty.

[little osprey]

i thought that ram speed isn't really important on intel

[foggy hazel]

the 3070 is well below 300 watts

[little osprey]

@foggy hazel you're right

[ebon summit]

So the nxzt pro is trash?

[stoic island]

Iirc it's 220w tdp

[ebon summit]

Hm

[little osprey]

but 200 watt over the actual power consumption of the pc is better

[stoic island]

@ebon summit I haven't seen a good prebuild in ages other than the occasionnal good one on sale

[ebon summit]

Should I just buy a new egg one?

[foggy hazel]

the only good (as in, the parts are actually good) are generally very expensive

[wary geode]

There was one that was 3700x and 2060 super for 1000 I think I can find it

[foggy hazel]

none of what has been said here excludes newegg.

@wary geode if its the one i think it is, its using some 300 series chipset board

[wary geode]

Yeah that’s the thing that was a issue when I reviewed it and a 550watt psu

[foggy hazel]

iirc, the psu was also no-name and the ram was ... politely put, very silly

3000mhz or something like that

[ebon summit]

Is this better

[stoic island]

1660ti is a step backwards lol

We don't tell you building yourself is better for no reason

[little osprey]

does it got the new nvenc encoder

[stoic island]

I think 16xx has the same nvenc as 10xx, @foggy hazel can ya confirm?

[little osprey]

i thnik the super has the new

[foggy hazel]

1650 is using the previous gen nvenc

as in, the version used in volta

which is the same as the one in Pascal

[little osprey]

and the 1660 ti

[foggy hazel]

1060/1070/1080

1660 TI should be using Turing Nvenc

[stoic island]

Good encoder then, but 1660ti is still step back in perf from 2060 lel

[foggy hazel]

aye

[little osprey]

is the sx8200 pro a good drive

[foggy hazel]

yes

[little osprey]

because i am looking for a good drive but i saw the 970 evo plus too

[stoic island]

Sx8200 pro is usually much better value

[little osprey]

okay thanks i will watch some review

[foggy hazel]

while you are at it

check out the mp34 and the sn750 too @little osprey

[stoic island]

Mhm

[little osprey]

i heard that the sn750 isn't as good as everybody say

[stoic island]

Mp34 slightly less desirable due to a bit lower r/w than the rest.

From where?

[vague maple]

because i am looking for a good drive but i saw the 970 evo plus too
@little osprey why is good drive and 970 evo plus in the same sentence?

[little osprey]

review on reddit

[desert gulch]

sn750 is good

[stoic island]

Breh

[desert gulch]

ye they dont know what they talking abt

that redditor

[vague maple]

lmao

[stoic island]

I can pull up Tom's hardware or TPU reviews if you want

[vague maple]

^

[little osprey]

yeah pls

[foggy hazel]

@little osprey if you are lucky, reddit can find the right time on a broken clock about once a day

[stoic island]

I know at least one of the two did a sn750 review

[little osprey]

@vague maple no i meant other good drives than the 970 evo plus

@foggy hazel 😂

[vague maple]

i know lik

lol*

[desert gulch]

lol

[stoic island]

There's a ton to read through, and make sure to read all of it, and not just read one section and dip. @little osprey
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/wd-black-sn750-ssd,5957.html

[little osprey]

thanks

[vague maple]

we should make a ssd tier list tbh

a price to performance ssd tier list

[stoic island]

Meh

[foggy hazel]

no

[vague maple]

ok no

[foggy hazel]

just like any other list, it would be misunderstood from here to heck

[vague maple]

?

[foggy hazel]

and what happens when price changes?

[vague maple]

ah true

then performance only?

[foggy hazel]

or what about the multiple types of workload that behave differently on different bios tunings?

[vague maple]

ugh naed

[foggy hazel]

bios above = controller of the ssd

[vague maple]

stop being such a party pooper

[viral ore]

lmao

[foggy hazel]

make better suggestions.

[stoic island]

@vague maple hell, just read that SN750 review and see just how much there are

[vague maple]

i refuse not to

[viral ore]

if you wanna make a list, go ahead

no one would use it tho

[stoic island]

There's a huge amount of things in there

[little osprey]

i mean after reading this review sx8200 pro is the best value option

[vague maple]

nah naed made me lose interest

yeah

[stoic island]

@little osprey keep reading

[desert gulch]

tru

[little osprey]

better than sn750

[stoic island]

I know you haven't read all of it

[vague maple]

you can't go wrong without the sx8200 pro

[stoic island]

I know you haven't.

[foggy hazel]

its not that a list is useless @vague maple

[vague maple]

lmao

[little osprey]

ok i will continue

[foggy hazel]

its that the complexity is very high on anything that is actually useful

[vague maple]

mhm

[stoic island]

Yea

But yea, I'd only say SN750 is within margin of error with sx8200 pro, both are good.

[little osprey]

yeah same

[stoic island]

Keep reading

Have you even gotten to page 3 yet

[little osprey]

I'm finished

Page 3 was the page with the benchmarks and a little text under it so i was fast reading it

[stoic island]

good nuff

but anyways

you did read the part at the end where it talked about sx8200 pro vs sn750 correct?

[little osprey]

yeah

[stoic island]

good

[little osprey]

they said that the two of them are at any means good

[stoic island]

Mhm, and sx8200 pro will actually fall behind after it exhausts slc cache

[little osprey]

yeah this too

[stoic island]

more rare situation, but good thing to keep in mind

[little osprey]

you're right

[foggy hazel]

now

here is the "fun" detail

none of what you read actually will be noticed by you

[little osprey]

😂

by the normal user

[foggy hazel]

aye

as i said, you.

[stoic island]

yea

that's the main part I meant with

:)

the rest are just nice-to-haves

maybe shave a second or two off large transfers

that's about it

[desert gulch]

is evo the fastest m.2?

[stoic island]

no

[little osprey]

these rtx 3070 review are killing me on youtube. they are everywhere

[stoic island]

nowhere near

@desert gulch Sabrent rocket 4 plus is the fastest consumer drive right now

[desert gulch]

what speeds?

[flint steeple]

upgrading from i7 7700k to 10th gen, im thinking i7 10700

[stoic island]

7000/5000 iirc

[flint steeple]

thought

[desert gulch]

wow

brad 10700 or 10700k?

[flint steeple]

10700

[desert gulch]

o

[flint steeple]

i will never overclock

[stoic island]

7000/6850 actually on sn850

[desert gulch]

wow

thats high\

[stoic island]

7000/5000 is 980 pro

[desert gulch]

mr1 have you heard of project honey badger?

[flint steeple]

do you think it is a good cpu

[desert gulch]

ltt did a vid on it

10700 is very good

but id wait for zen 3

unless you already have mobo

[flint steeple]

eta on that?

[desert gulch]

retail on nov 5

[stoic island]

I know

but I said consumer drive

[desert gulch]

ye

ik

[flint steeple]

are there leaks on what products there will be

[desert gulch]

Ryzen 9 5950X, Ryzen 9 5900X, Ryzen 7 5800X, and Ryzen 5 5600X

at launch

but others will come in 2021

[stoic island]

it's not leaks, they're announced already

[desert gulch]

but 5950x beats out 10900k in single and multicore

yeah

[stoic island]

they're releasing to consumers nov 5th iirc?

[desert gulch]

yup

but only x-varients

non x comes later

[stoic island]

as far as we know

[desert gulch]

yeah

[foggy hazel]

yes, availability is nov 5th

for zen3

[desert gulch]

yup

[flint steeple]

what about 11th gen intel

[stoic island]

no idea

[desert gulch]

idk

[foggy hazel]

between now and whenever

[desert gulch]

they haventt said

[foggy hazel]

and they had all the clarity of mud in their financial call the other day

so ... yeah

heck knows

[desert gulch]

maybe they know AMD is gonna win now 😄

[ocean bolt]

Does anyoen know between these 2 builds if there are 4 slots for RAM and 2 ports which would fit 2 RTX 2080 supers?

https://www.newegg.com/abs-ali361-prism-s/p/N82E16883102881R?item=N82E16883102881R

And

https://www.newegg.com/msi-aegis-rs-10se-013us/p/N82E16883152608?item=N82E16883152608

[foggy hazel]

@ocean bolt you planning on gaming?

[ocean bolt]

Yes

[foggy hazel]

dont go SLI

nvidia stops support for it in january 2021

[ocean bolt]

Vs?

Versus?

[foggy hazel]

a single 3070/3080 is faster than what you are trying to do

[desert gulch]

only a couple games support sli atm too

rdr2 does

[ocean bolt]

Only have 1500 to spend and need a complete new PC

[desert gulch]

but you wont be getting twice the perf of 1 card

youll be getting like 170 percent perf

of normal card

so its not fully 2x

[ocean bolt]

Understood about the 3k series but can’t afford that right now

[desert gulch]

you can afford a 3080

[ocean bolt]

With a pc

[foggy hazel]

how much would you be paying for those 2080's?

[desert gulch]

ik

[ocean bolt]

?

I need a “full build”

Already sold my pc

But kept one of my GPUs

[desert gulch]

but how much would a 2080 super cost you?

the second one?

[ocean bolt]

Yes

[desert gulch]

what price?

[ocean bolt]

https://www.newegg.com/msi-aegis-rs-10se-013us/p/N82E16883152608?item=N82E16883152608

https://www.newegg.com/abs-ali361-prism-s/p/N82E16883102881R?item=N82E16883102881R

[desert gulch]

i thought you said budget was 1500

[ocean bolt]

Trying to o decide between those 2

[desert gulch]

second one is open box btw

[ocean bolt]

Thanks for the heads up, saw that.

[desert gulch]

yup its sometimes easy to pass

and not see

[ocean bolt]

Any other sites you would suggest prebuilt pcs. These look like the 2 contenders for me now,

For that budget range

[desert gulch]

uhh are you a costco member?

sometimes they have some decent deals on prebuilys

backed by good warranty

but you have to have costco membership to buy

[ocean bolt]

I do have a membership, haven’t checked online. Only seen laptops in store

Thank you for the heads up

[desert gulch]

yup

sometimes they dont have any prebuilts in stock tho

do you have a costco credit card?

because if you do you get 2 year warranty on pc plus another 2 years bc of card

and prolly decent cashback since itd be from them

but it has shown that 3070 is slightly faster than 2080ti at least with rtx on

but 3070 will have 3 less gb of vram

if vram is important to you

[ocean bolt]

Not really worries about the GPU atm. More curious about the rest of the PC and making sure that of these 2 builds i posted that i can upgrade/fit a 3090 if/when i get one next year

But need a full PC atm

[desert gulch]

just gotta remember a 3090 in a system will make pretty much any cpu the bottleneck

i mean like a decent cpu wont be enough for 3090

so maybe worth waiting for zen 3

[wild briar]

Hey guys is this case good for ryzen 5 3600 build

[desert gulch]

well a r5 3600 build doesnt tell us much lol

[torpid belfry]

what motherboard are you looking at

[stoic island]

X570 unify is best mobo don't @ me

[desert gulch]

ok @stoic island

[torpid belfry]

@stoic island he said it

[stoic island]

Lol

[desert gulch]

Mr1 team ram is best ram dont @ me

[stoic island]

I agree

I love dark pros

[torpid belfry]

lol

[desert gulch]

xD

[stoic island]

[desert gulch]

but i have seen that case for sale all the time @wild briar

id go td500 mesh tbh

better quality imo

[torpid belfry]

true

[sturdy leaf]

Whatdoes this mean

I just built my pc and this light is glowing

Is it normal?

[foggy hazel]

@sturdy leaf read your mainboard manual

[sturdy leaf]

Alright

[stoic island]

Boot usually means it's booting

[desert gulch]

if its stuck there

do you have windows on your drive?

[stoic island]

@sturdy leaf Looks like MSI debug LEDs, from what I remember, if it's just on, and everything else works, it's normal.

It's normal for debug leds to go cpu, ram, than vga, then finally settle on boot

[sturdy leaf]

No it’s a brand new pc @desert gulch

[foggy hazel]

you just rewarded him for not reading the manual @stoic island

:)

[stoic island]

@foggy hazel I mean this was stuff I couldn't get in the manual lol

sadly

I thought it had to do with the bios flashback

so I had to google for the stuff

[sturdy leaf]

So it’s good?

Cause my leds are working fine

[stoic island]

but that was a long time ago

[foggy hazel]

yes, which is why he needed to come to that conclusion himself

as in: i have read things: but i cannot find it.

[stoic island]

okai

btw @foggy hazel I checked to make sure, the manual is not clear at all, from snippet in manual:

it's confusing asf because it cycles through them on boot

and stays on boot for a while until you boot

[foggy hazel]

which again, IF he had come back with that, we had confirmation that he had actually read the manual :)

which is the point to what i am saying :)

[stoic island]

Yea I just remember manual was unhelpful personally

so I decided to give it to em without the trouble

[foggy hazel]

aye aye :)

[sturdy leaf]

Thank u

[winged tinsel]

I'm currently in the proccess of figuring out what parts to use to build my first ever pc

I have a small budget though

[stoic island]

And that is..?

[fringe hearth]

Need to know if I should upgrade, or if what I got is still okay. Currently I am running the ASUS B150 Programing Arura, Samsung solid state as primary, Western Digital as secondary, Corsair Vengeance Ram 32G, Gigabyte 1060, and a Corsair CX600 power supply. My CPU is Intel (R) Core (TM) i5-6600K CPU @ 3.50GHz 3.50GHz. I have been out of the computer world for a while. Also need a good air flow case. Budget max $1,500.00 USD

[winged tinsel]

My budget is 700 dollars

Do you think thats enough for a good pc?

[stoic island]

Eh works.

@fringe hearth what colored label on the CX?

[fringe hearth]

The CX is green if im understanding what you are asking for

[stoic island]

if it's the old 2012 green label, I wouldn't keep it, but if it's the Gray label (I doubt it, since 600w), it's good

Yea alright

@fringe hearth what's the frequency and timings on the ram?

[fringe hearth]

DRAM Frequency 1063.6MHz Cycle Time (tRAS) 36 clocks Row Refresh Cycle Time (tRFC) 374 clocks

NB Frequency 3887.6 MHz

[stoic island]

ick

is XMP on?

[fringe hearth]

not familiar

[stoic island]

Or do you know what the kit is rated for?

because 2133MT/s is JEDEC standard, and default

[fringe hearth]

build is probably 5-6 years old

[stoic island]

(I know, but 5-6 years old should still have at least 2666mt/s ram)

check if it says on the sticks

@winged tinsel when are you going to be building?

[winged tinsel]

As soon as I can figure out what the best parts are for my budget and then order the parts

[stoic island]

Need wifi? @winged tinsel

[winged tinsel]

wifi?

[stoic island]

Are you going to use ethernet or use wifi?

oh fun that's actually a 2133mhz kit

damn

[winged tinsel]

ohhhh yeah going to use wifi

[stoic island]

is ethernet not an option?

[foggy hazel]

re: ram: remember age of things. high speed kits werent exactly normal at the time (at a remotely reasonable price)

[stoic island]

@foggy hazel yea, I was expecting at least 2666mhz as I assumed more "high end" sticks at 32gb

[winged tinsel]

so for ethernet do I have to have a router next to my pc?

[fringe hearth]

which is better?

[stoic island]

@winged tinsel you need a ethernet cord

[winged tinsel]

I could do ethernet

[stoic island]

Ethernet is superior to wifi, but wifi is the only option in some cases

[languid cedar]

so uh LTT released a vid on the 2060 pretty much saying it was a peice of trash should i be concerned? @stoic island (sorry for da ping)

[fringe hearth]

@stoic island So do you think anything needs upgraded at this time?

[stoic island]

the what

[languid cedar]

mr1111 is gone for 1 minute lol

[stoic island]

@languid cedar where

@winged tinsel here's a list with wifi slightly over budget
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xXbsZZ

[languid cedar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCTieiaSMYA

[stoic island]

@fringe hearth I think basically everything should be swapped

hm

hmmm

look at the date

you think that's relevant?

[languid cedar]

i have no sense of relavance

[stoic island]

the primary issue is this part, this review was before the price drop to 300$

[languid cedar]

ohhhhhhhhhh

[fringe hearth]

@stoic island Got any good recommendations haha?

[languid cedar]

they prob did that bc of that vid

[stoic island]

I'll slap together a 1500$ list real quick, @fringe hearth what SSD you got right now?

[foggy hazel]

@languid cedar no

it was because of the launch of the 5600xt

[stoic island]

And when are you planning to build, what workloads, and any other specific requirements? @fringe hearth

@foggy hazel I thought it was the launch together with super on top of response to 5600xt

[languid cedar]

o

Confuzzion

[stoic island]

aka. Disguised as just dropping price as a part of super launch, but really to counter 5600xt.

[fringe hearth]

@stoic island Solid state is a Samsung 250g. Primarily gaming, but would like the best workload possible. Would love to go back to two or three monitors again.

[stoic island]

When are you planning on the new build?

[foggy hazel]

https://www.anandtech.com/show/15412/nvidia-cuts-price-of-geforce-rtx-2060-to-299 <- see date

https://www.anandtech.com/show/15422/the-amd-radeon-rx-5600-xt-review <- see date

[stoic island]

I see

[foggy hazel]

the price of the 5600XT was known way in advance

[fringe hearth]

The new build within the next two months

[craggy kelp]

Hey does anybody know a bit about PCs who can help me a bit

[mighty bobcat]

depends on the issue

[craggy kelp]

I want to get a pc

But don’t know anything about parts

[stoic island]

Alright I'll get started on making that list

[mighty bobcat]

what did you want to do with it, what kind of a budget did you have and what do you already have that you don't feel like you need to replace

[craggy kelp]

I have nothing except for a desk and i have 2500 for everything

[mighty bobcat]

when did you want to have it

[craggy kelp]

Anywhere between now and January

[deep skiff]

wasnt the 2060 ko before the 2060 price cut

[foggy hazel]

nah

that was in february/march @deep skiff

[deep skiff]

ic

[foggy hazel]

or something like that

[mighty bobcat]

just raw performance gaming or were you thinking about streaming anythign specific like must have RGB or don't care about RGB, hate RGB?

[deep skiff]

wait no

release date was jan 13

[craggy kelp]

Just gaming

Nothing heavy just some minecraft and among us

[deep skiff]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/wccftech.com/evga-geforce-rtx-2060-ko-series-279-usd-tackle-amd-rx-5600-xt/amp/

[zealous edge]

Can someone let me know if this is a good pc

[mighty bobcat]

Its an interesting timing as the new AMD CPUs are getting released 11/5 and the announcement event for the new GPUs is tomorrow

[foggy hazel]

ah, yes, because that is a direct decision from Evga @deep skiff

[craggy kelp]

Uhm what is that?😅

[mighty bobcat]

New Processors and new videos card

[craggy kelp]

Oh okay

[zealous edge]

Alright lemme list the parts

But first off all

Is the i7-9700k good

Or can I get a better cpu for the price

like amd

I kinda like intel tho

[deep skiff]

yeah the ko was unrelated to what u and mr1 were talking about i just thought it was the $300 2060 before the price cut

[mighty bobcat]

@zealous edge its OK, but the lack of multithreading hurt the 9600 and 9700 for productivity - my 9600k was bought knowing this but I needed HAXM commands

[foggy hazel]

aye, i remembered wrong, thanks for me reminding me about that. Its been noted :) @deep skiff

[deep skiff]

:)

[zealous edge]

Ok

So let me list the ret of my parts now

let me know if its good

and give me suggestions

Its my first build and I dont wanna mess anything up

[stoic island]

@fringe hearth preliminary list, I'm lazy rn, I know it's over budget, but let's talk about it first.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/cRYP3Z

[zealous edge]

I know stuff about computers and stuff

Not a complete noobie lol

But still need clarification that im chosing the right parts

[craggy kelp]

Alright @mighty bobcat my friend send me this, is it good?

[crude rose]

rn I'm struggling on picking a mother board for a i9-10900k since it goes well with an RTX 3080, but now I'm thinking that I could probably go for a i5-10600k and be okay for gaming and streaming

[zealous edge]

`Cpu: 9700k

[crude rose]

oh cool, I'm a regular now

[zealous edge]

Why dont u get the asus prime?

z490

[stoic island]

@craggy kelp uhh what's that for?

and what region?

[mighty bobcat]

@craggy kelp for the same cost I would look at an R5 3600

[craggy kelp]

Europe

[stoic island]

what country

[mighty bobcat]

or wait a few weeks for a 5600x

[craggy kelp]

Netherlands

[stoic island]

oo fun

[craggy kelp]

Alright

[zealous edge]

Tbh I dont really like amd cards

[stoic island]

one sec

[zealous edge]

had bad experiences with the

them

[craggy kelp]

oo fun
@stoic island lol not rlly

[stoic island]

@craggy kelp I assume for gaming, what budget?

[mighty bobcat]

but @stoic island is really good

he said 2500

[craggy kelp]

2500 for everything except desk

[mighty bobcat]

and he has a desk lol

[stoic island]

2500euros?

[crude rose]

i think intel cpu are more for gaming, amd is just for overall

[craggy kelp]

Yes

[zealous edge]

@crude rose

Its the opposite

Fr tho

Amd more for gaming/streaming

[crude rose]

oh did i flip it

[craggy kelp]

It’s for nothing heavy just minecraft and among us

[mighty bobcat]

It really depends on what the Zen3 arc gives us

[foggy hazel]

those just rambling, please move it to #general-chat
People are being helped here. So please respect that.

[stoic island]

Can you check if this could ship to you? I'm likely going to slap this in as a good placeholder in terms of headset.
https://drop.com/buy/drop-sennheiser-pc38x-gaming-headset

[zealous edge]

Naed

Can i list my parts?

and can u check over em?

@foggy hazel

[stoic island]

@craggy kelp and also, when are you planning to build?

[craggy kelp]

Between now and January

[foggy hazel]

@zealous edge if you have a PCPP list, post it. if someone wants to look over it, they will.

[zealous edge]

alright

[stoic island]

OH NO PCPP IS GETTING MY HOPES UP AGAIN

[mighty bobcat]

OOOO

[stoic island]

@foggy hazel can you check on your end for me to see if PCPP search got fixed?

[crude rose]

is a power supply something that can be kind of cheaper out on or is that kind of risky

[stoic island]

Never cheap out on power supply unless you know what you're doing

[gritty zenith]

Lol i got super impatient with my cpu cooler coming from china so i just said f it and ordered an nh-l9i with same day delivery so im finally gonna build my velka 3 pc today 😄

[stoic island]

lol

I approve

[deep skiff]

oo velka 3 nice

[foggy hazel]

@stoic island 2sec

[deep skiff]

send a pic when u finish

[gritty zenith]

will du

[zealous edge]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/yrwtgt

[foggy hazel]

same result as you @stoic island

[zealous edge]

thats the list