#building-and-recc-chat | Newegg | Page 652

stark tangle Oct 13, 2020, 6:32 AM

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Or a connection broken

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Tbh

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If its seated fully

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And nothinf

glossy musk Oct 13, 2020, 6:40 AM

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yeah i’ll just mess around with it and if I can’t get it to work im gonna assume it’s dead and send it back

ripe wedge Oct 13, 2020, 6:49 AM

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@glossy musk do you have another m.2 slot?

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try putting it in another slot

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that will determine if the ssd is just dead or if it is a dead slot on the mobo

glossy musk Oct 13, 2020, 7:03 AM

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ill try that thanks

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i did that and it worked thanks for the help guys

ripe wedge Oct 13, 2020, 7:17 AM

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np so @glossy musk that means you have a dead slot on your mobo

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you might want to RMA it

west terrace Oct 13, 2020, 7:17 AM

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I just build a computer and can’t get it to boot into windows, any help would be appreciated

hoary kayak Oct 13, 2020, 7:59 AM

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Y'all think its possible to build a pc that can stream and game at 1080p with over 140 fps?

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That's $600

little osprey Oct 13, 2020, 8:21 AM

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Maybe if you get really really good deals on used parts

ripe wedge Oct 13, 2020, 8:21 AM

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^

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its possible

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but also the 140fps depends on the game u want to play

little osprey Oct 13, 2020, 8:22 AM

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I saw someone who scrapped together a 10700k and 1080Ti hybrid build for about $900

west terrace Oct 13, 2020, 8:22 AM

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Can someone help me out my bios won’t let me boot to windows, and now won’t let me choose any boot drives other than my flash drive

little osprey Oct 13, 2020, 8:25 AM

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What’s happening exactly when you try to boot into windows?

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Are you getting any messages or just kicks you to bios?

uncut pelican Oct 13, 2020, 10:36 AM

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should be the first choice when you hit hard drives lol
@lime forge Well it is, but I've been told that they die a lot

sharp bear Oct 13, 2020, 10:37 AM

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Hey i am new to all the pc stuff and cant decide which motherboard to choose i am going for the ryzen 7 3700x and rtx 3070, what would you advice ?
ps: i am thinking about "MSI MPG X570 Gaming plus" or "MSI MPG X570 Gaming Edge wifi".

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 11:59 AM

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@sharp bear I say neither of those, they have vrm cooling issues.

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Something more like an Asus x570-plus wifi

uncut pelican Oct 13, 2020, 12:02 PM

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I have the msi mpg b550 gaming plus, great board

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And im also getting a 3700x and 3070 so I highly suggest it

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 12:04 PM

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@uncut pelican on the x570 gaming plus and gaming edge wifi, they have vrm cooling issues.

uncut pelican Oct 13, 2020, 12:05 PM

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Hrmm

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People should listen to you cuz lmao you havr built more pcs

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 12:10 PM

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here's der8auer's testing with gaming edge in there

📎 X570-VRM-Test-O11-225-Watt.png

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B550 gaming plus might be good

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just not x570

uncut pelican Oct 13, 2020, 12:55 PM

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Kk

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I also like b550 gaming plus cuz it has gen 4 m.2 ssd capabilities

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 1:09 PM

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@uncut pelican btw, all B550 boards have gen 4 m.2_1

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all x570 boards have gen4 for m.2_1 and m.2_2 and all other slots

languid nimbus Oct 13, 2020, 1:24 PM

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Msi Cringe

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 1:25 PM

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@languid nimbus go away I love MSI

languid nimbus Oct 13, 2020, 1:25 PM

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Aw rip

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sucks that they did that with their 3000 series

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At least they’re making up for it though

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 1:27 PM

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@languid nimbus the 3000 series scalping thing is nothing

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barely any cards got sold that way

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it's the other PR nightmares that's bad for MSI

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like trying to bribe reviewers

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and honestly so little cards got sold that way iirc that I wouldn't be surprised if it was just a few rogue employees that got their hands on some cards

languid nimbus Oct 13, 2020, 1:28 PM

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yeah, just happened at a really bad time too when everyone was super mad at scalpers because they can’t get a 3080 so they of course are gonna get dogged on for that

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 1:29 PM

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meh, it's still not as big an issue as trying to bribe reviewers

languid nimbus Oct 13, 2020, 1:29 PM

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won’t hold it against them..but them Msi x570 oof

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 1:29 PM

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not really

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it's only the <200$ low end boards

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MSI x570 high end is godly

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like Unify is smexy as all hell

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amazing board at that too

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MSI did a great job with their 3080 and 3090 designs from what I've heard too

languid nimbus Oct 13, 2020, 1:31 PM

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oooh I’d heard it was bad bc of thermal issues, but guessing that’s one of those one-in-a-million things too?

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 1:31 PM

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I haven't?

languid nimbus Oct 13, 2020, 1:31 PM

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yeah their designs of the 3000 series were among my favorite

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I say that from this https://youtu.be/_NRewJacuTg though I haven’t watched much of it so I’m uninformed on it and probably shouldn’t even be talking lmao

YouTube

Gamers Nexus

MSI Responds to VRM Thermal Issues: X570 Tomahawk, New Cases

MSI had a new X570 motherboard to show us when we visited the company during our factory tour series. The board intends to fix VRM thermal problems, we're told.
Sponsor: Get 10% off Squarespace purchases (https://geni.us/BqEpf)

Watch our factory tour playlist here: https://ww...

▶ Play video

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 1:32 PM

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yea overheating on VRM is just low end

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tomahawk was planned to aim at the 200$ range, so he was just talking about the relevant MSI boards there

languid nimbus Oct 13, 2020, 1:34 PM

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gotcha gotcha, won’t boycott them just yet then KirbyMusic I’m sure other companies have done similar/worse things as well, msi just got caught in some of it

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 1:35 PM

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meh, boycott them for their PR team if you like, I just love the products and the company so I don't mind screwups with PR

languid nimbus Oct 13, 2020, 1:37 PM

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Speaking of msi

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https://www.dell.com/en-us/member/shop/accessories/apd/AB367812

Dell

MSI RTX 3080 VENTUS 3X OC - Graphics card - GF RTX 3080 - 10 GB GDD...

The GeForce RTX 3080 delivers the ultra performance that gamers crave, powered by Ampere - NVIDIA's 2nd gen RTX architecture. It's built with enhanced RT Cores and Tensor Cores, new streaming multiprocessors, and superfast G6X memory for an amazing gaming experience.

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@stoic island if you wanted 3080, gogogo lol

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 1:39 PM

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lol

languid nimbus Oct 13, 2020, 1:40 PM

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looks like they’re charging over $100 more for it on dells website tho

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 1:40 PM

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nice

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but well

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it's less than most scalpers

languid nimbus Oct 13, 2020, 1:40 PM

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definitely

digital pecan Oct 13, 2020, 2:08 PM

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@dapper hornet what kind of desk do you have?

pale lion Oct 13, 2020, 2:23 PM

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Is this worth for $450???

📎 image0.png

dapper hornet Oct 13, 2020, 2:35 PM

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@dapper hornet what kind of desk do you have?
@digital pecan The cheapest All white one Ikea had to offer xD It's a dining table 😛 I stacked both the benches for the Screen stand xD

digital pecan Oct 13, 2020, 2:35 PM

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😂 nice, it looks pretty clean.

dapper hornet Oct 13, 2020, 2:37 PM

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Is this worth for $450???
@pale lion Defintely, the CPU alone is $450 after exchange rates in the UK. You essentially get a free motherboard that's socket ready for the new generation also

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😂 nice, it looks pretty clean.
@digital pecan Yeah worked perfectly, not bad at all for £60 lol

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 2:39 PM

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Just saying, that's gonna have basically the performance of a 3700x+generic b550 board

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it just seems fancy

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:P

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worth 400$ basically

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it isn't a crazy deal like it might seem with parts at msrp

final breach Oct 13, 2020, 2:44 PM

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Keyboard recommendations

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GO

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 2:48 PM

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GMMK

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@final breach go to #peripherals-and-displays

night iron Oct 13, 2020, 3:08 PM

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I wouldn’t trust MSI not after what happened with the bot scalping thing.

foggy hazel Oct 13, 2020, 3:13 PM

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you seriously going on about that still @night iron ?

deep skiff Oct 13, 2020, 3:24 PM

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lol i like how everybody forgets about other scandals and issues with other companies but not this one

foggy hazel Oct 13, 2020, 3:25 PM

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heck, its not even a scandal imo

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its a blip in a blip in a blip of a rounding error

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if you want to be mad at anyone, be mad at nvidia for doing a effed up launch

deep skiff Oct 13, 2020, 3:27 PM

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do you think they would of had shortage issues without covid?

foggy hazel Oct 13, 2020, 3:27 PM

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yes

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this "shortage" is not covid related

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its "lets stick our head up our bum and pretend that we can magic out a factor 20 more silicon than is possible" related instead imo

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there was no reason to rush like they have done

deep skiff Oct 13, 2020, 3:29 PM

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hm

languid nimbus Oct 13, 2020, 3:29 PM

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other than to get ahead of AMD, I guess

foggy hazel Oct 13, 2020, 3:29 PM

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think about the following

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is the power use of the 3080/90 remotely sane?

deep skiff Oct 13, 2020, 3:30 PM

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not really?

foggy hazel Oct 13, 2020, 3:30 PM

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would clocking it 5-10% lower help a LOT with power use?

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(would that same clock change ALSO have prevented the current rework of boards? oh yes)

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would giving the AIB's more time to actually test their hardware AFTER the announcement have been a bad thing?

languid nimbus Oct 13, 2020, 3:34 PM

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I believe I read that nvidia themselves didn’t start manufacturing these cards until a month before launch

foggy hazel Oct 13, 2020, 3:35 PM

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that is a "truth" with some very interesting modifications

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 3:36 PM

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@night iron and again, there actual basis for hating MSI with the bribing reviewers scandal, the 3080 scalping barely matters

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I don't understand why people think it's such a big deal

foggy hazel Oct 13, 2020, 3:37 PM

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"but like! for real! some youtuber wanted me to click on their video!!!! like! you know! so it is totally true!"

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that is how most of the "scandal" logic sounds to me.

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 3:39 PM

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Naed, I'm not very up to date with the scalping thing, last I saw it, they mentioned only a few cards were sold, listing taken down, and refunds given? Are there any new developments that made it a big deal?

foggy hazel Oct 13, 2020, 3:39 PM

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no

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there are youtubers clutching their "indignation" like its a shield

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but aside from that.

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no

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 3:40 PM

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Fun

foggy hazel Oct 13, 2020, 3:40 PM

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yes

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"fun"

upbeat lodge Oct 13, 2020, 4:36 PM

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3070 looks like it will first be available Oct. 29th from what I'm reading. It's gonna be a hot commodity as well so you'd have to act quick. Nvidia is the way to go these days. A 2060 would be easier to get and is gonna kick ass in 1080p gaming and they are coming down in price after 3000 series release. Although the 2070s and 2080s should come down in price as well, they are still too expensive given what the 3000 series cards are clocked at.

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 4:37 PM

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Hahaha

upbeat lodge Oct 13, 2020, 4:37 PM

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What

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 4:37 PM

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@upbeat lodge tell me, where's the 2080s coming down in price when 3080 came?

foggy hazel Oct 13, 2020, 4:37 PM

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@upbeat lodge thats a fun marketing copy pasta you have there

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 4:37 PM

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Wasn't that supposed to happen?

wide sparrow Oct 13, 2020, 4:37 PM

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Oof

upbeat lodge Oct 13, 2020, 4:37 PM

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Lol

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 4:38 PM

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:)

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New products don't come down in price

wide sparrow Oct 13, 2020, 4:38 PM

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The prices won't go down for the foreseeable future

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Buy used

upbeat lodge Oct 13, 2020, 4:38 PM

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I need to get the 3080

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 4:38 PM

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That's why 1080tis new still can sell for like 800$

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Even though 2080ti is a thing

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And 3080 is a thing

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2 generations passed, still no price drop that was promised

wide sparrow Oct 13, 2020, 4:38 PM

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Smh

foggy hazel Oct 13, 2020, 4:40 PM

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@stoic island do remember, for prices to come down. the "gamers" need to actually stick to their opinions.

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as in. NOT have the attention span of distracted goldfish

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 4:40 PM

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Yes

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Which isn't happening

foggy hazel Oct 13, 2020, 4:41 PM

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well

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if you ask them

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 4:41 PM

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@upbeat lodge anyways, you get the idea, we disagree with the copypasta

foggy hazel Oct 13, 2020, 4:41 PM

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it is happening "right after we are done talking !"

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 4:41 PM

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Of course!!!

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Just like how we're gonna be able to buy a 3080 at msrp!!!

upbeat lodge Oct 13, 2020, 4:42 PM

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How did You know Lmao

foggy hazel Oct 13, 2020, 4:42 PM

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because nothing is "new" about what you pasted

upbeat lodge Oct 13, 2020, 4:42 PM

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Oh

foggy hazel Oct 13, 2020, 4:42 PM

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its the same "story" as what has been pasted since the 90's

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AKA

upbeat lodge Oct 13, 2020, 4:43 PM

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Lol

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Okay

foggy hazel Oct 13, 2020, 4:43 PM

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wishful dreaming with little to no actual thought put into it

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and again, not a personal dislike

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just that the "story" is very old by now :)

polar python Oct 13, 2020, 4:46 PM

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/WqWvK3

System Builder

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Is this good?

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 4:47 PM

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I wouldn't say so

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@polar python for gaming?

polar python Oct 13, 2020, 4:47 PM

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Yup

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 4:48 PM

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Yea for 1200$ you better have a 2070s level card or better :p

polar python Oct 13, 2020, 4:48 PM

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I’m going to upgrade to 3060 when it comes out

cloud oasis Oct 13, 2020, 4:48 PM

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lol

polar python Oct 13, 2020, 4:48 PM

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Wat

cloud oasis Oct 13, 2020, 4:48 PM

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3060 is a myth

polar python Oct 13, 2020, 4:48 PM

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peepoSadSip

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Should I get a 2070?

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 4:49 PM

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3060 is unofficial

cloud oasis Oct 13, 2020, 4:49 PM

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honestly its better to go amd

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 4:49 PM

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2070 is not great rn

cloud oasis Oct 13, 2020, 4:49 PM

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actually nvm

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 4:49 PM

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Esp with 3070 on the horizon

cloud oasis Oct 13, 2020, 4:49 PM

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up to u

polar python Oct 13, 2020, 4:50 PM

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Should I wait for 5600x

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 4:50 PM

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It's always a "if you can wait, wait" thing.

ripe quest Oct 13, 2020, 4:51 PM

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@paper walrus that cpu gpu combo is kind of wack

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you have a i7 10700

polar python Oct 13, 2020, 4:51 PM

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I don’t wanna : (

ripe quest Oct 13, 2020, 4:51 PM

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with a 1650

polar python Oct 13, 2020, 4:51 PM

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What GPU should I go with

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 4:52 PM

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I'm just gonna say, with a 1200$ gaming pc, ~500$ should be invested into GPU.

cloud oasis Oct 13, 2020, 4:53 PM

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1700

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 4:53 PM

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@cloud oasis 500$ of the 1200$ should be a gpu

polar python Oct 13, 2020, 4:53 PM

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Alr

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Do you think there will be a huge difference between the 5600 and 5600x

uncut pelican Oct 13, 2020, 4:54 PM

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best alternative to getting a 3070 (that isnt 30 series) gpu

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?

foggy hazel Oct 13, 2020, 4:56 PM

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nothing right now. unless you get very very lucky with prices @uncut pelican

uncut pelican Oct 13, 2020, 4:56 PM

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Alright thanks, I hope I will be able to buy a 3070 we shall see

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seeing how 3080s sold out so quick, chances are slim, but its possible

foggy hazel Oct 13, 2020, 4:57 PM

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in a bit of a "twist" the current situation is actually what is what serves the gamers the best

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we will know about what AMD is bringing to the table when the 3070 arrives

uncut pelican Oct 13, 2020, 4:58 PM

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Yeah I mean amd gpu's are all a thing but like I dont want to spend more then 500 bucks

foggy hazel Oct 13, 2020, 4:58 PM

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they will also have something at that point, and below

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and the more info you have, the more of an informed choice you can make.

uncut pelican Oct 13, 2020, 4:59 PM

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Yeah

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Not sure if I want to save money for the gpu and cpu and wait and buy the other stuff

foggy hazel Oct 13, 2020, 5:01 PM

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generally, it is not a smart idea to buy one piece at a time

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save up, buy it all in one lump

uncut pelican Oct 13, 2020, 5:01 PM

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Yeah, what I have been doing is buying one or two parts per month

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 5:05 PM

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And that's not a great idea, try to see if any are DoA

idle compass Oct 13, 2020, 5:08 PM

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Hey guys can someone help me I want to build a PC for gaming but I have no idea how to or about the parts I don't want to spend more than 1.5k usd

uncut pelican Oct 13, 2020, 5:09 PM

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I can help if you would like 🙂

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 5:09 PM

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Yes

uncut pelican Oct 13, 2020, 5:09 PM

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I have a few already made lists if you want

idle compass Oct 13, 2020, 5:09 PM

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Yes I need help because I have no idea about anyhing

uncut pelican Oct 13, 2020, 5:09 PM

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Feel free to dm me

idle compass Oct 13, 2020, 5:09 PM

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Ok

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 5:11 PM

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Simple slightly over 1500$ list I made a bit ago. You can cross reference it to see parts you can get for the budget.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/qBYwPV@idle compass

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Hm

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@idle compass

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What the hell

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Why is it invalid user

small osprey Oct 13, 2020, 5:12 PM

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@idle compass

idle compass Oct 13, 2020, 5:13 PM

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Why is it invalid user
? wdym

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 5:13 PM

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Anyways you see the list now

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My discord is being funky

small osprey Oct 13, 2020, 5:18 PM

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U should get a 3070 and ur ram get a team mp34 and u should get faster gskill ram

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Look for 3600mhz CL 16

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 5:18 PM

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Yes, do that ^

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PSU can be better

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seasonic focus gm 650w is 107$

foggy hazel Oct 13, 2020, 5:19 PM

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mainboard should imo be a b550 board too

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 5:19 PM

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Try these steps

cloud oasis Oct 13, 2020, 5:20 PM

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/VYxqsX

System Builder

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@random wagon

idle compass Oct 13, 2020, 5:22 PM

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Simple slightly over 1500$ list I made a bit ago. You can cross reference it to see parts you can get for the budget.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/qBYwPV@idle compass
@stoic island What replacement do you reccommend for the 3080 you put in the list i doubt i will find one

viral ore Oct 13, 2020, 5:24 PM

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whatever you can afford

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like you could pick up a used 2080 super for about 600

polar python Oct 13, 2020, 5:25 PM

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Do you think there will be a huge difference between the 5600 and 5600x

viral ore Oct 13, 2020, 5:27 PM

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is there supposed to be a 5600?

cloud oasis Oct 13, 2020, 5:27 PM

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big navi

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 5:29 PM

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@idle compass again, 3080 is godlike for the performance, we have nothing compatible you can grab right now, everything else is a step down.

viral ore Oct 13, 2020, 5:29 PM

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comparable*

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 5:29 PM

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Screw autocorrect xD

upbeat lodge Oct 13, 2020, 5:31 PM

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The 3080 is amazing

idle compass Oct 13, 2020, 5:31 PM

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@stoic island I plan to reach my savings goal for the PC by late December early January, will the 3080 be back in stock for 700usd by then?

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 5:31 PM

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We'll have to see :)
Best idea is to come back then and ask around if it's still not in stock

upbeat lodge Oct 13, 2020, 5:31 PM

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There’s all ways Black Friday

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 5:31 PM

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No one knows when stock are rolling around

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Nvidia doesn't know

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Retailers doesn't know

upbeat lodge Oct 13, 2020, 5:31 PM

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Rip

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 5:32 PM

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Aibs only know what they've sent to retailers so far

upbeat lodge Oct 13, 2020, 5:32 PM

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Yeah I say 2 months

idle compass Oct 13, 2020, 5:32 PM

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Alr

upbeat lodge Oct 13, 2020, 5:32 PM

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3 months

idle compass Oct 13, 2020, 5:32 PM

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Is the CPU in the list good?

viral ore Oct 13, 2020, 5:33 PM

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yeah

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 5:33 PM

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10600k? We'll have to see again after AMD drops their CPUs tbh

viral ore Oct 13, 2020, 5:33 PM

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you could save money going with a 3600

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or wait

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for 5600x

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well, considering you arent buying until next year, plan on going amd

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 5:33 PM

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So basically, wait until right about when you're gonna buy stuff, and come back to us with questions and for a new list :)

idle compass Oct 13, 2020, 5:34 PM

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Ok

little osprey Oct 13, 2020, 5:50 PM

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what 6-core cpu should i get

balmy patio Oct 13, 2020, 5:50 PM

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are you on a budget?

little osprey Oct 13, 2020, 5:51 PM

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yea

balmy patio Oct 13, 2020, 5:52 PM

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if your budget is really tight and you wanna get sum cheap but good overall go with a 1600

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if you want good performance at $200 go with a 3600

ripe wedge Oct 13, 2020, 5:52 PM

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well for starters do you do more creative work or streaming and gaming?

balmy patio Oct 13, 2020, 5:52 PM

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it all depends on your needs as well

little osprey Oct 13, 2020, 5:52 PM

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streaming and gaming

ripe wedge Oct 13, 2020, 5:52 PM

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you will want AMD then

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id suggest waiting on the ryzen 5 5600X

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it is $300

little osprey Oct 13, 2020, 5:53 PM

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kk

polar python Oct 13, 2020, 5:53 PM

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GPU recommendationsfor $500

ripe wedge Oct 13, 2020, 5:53 PM

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3070

balmy patio Oct 13, 2020, 5:53 PM

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^^

little osprey Oct 13, 2020, 5:53 PM

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yeah but god forbid when that'll be in stock

ripe wedge Oct 13, 2020, 5:54 PM

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well if it doesnt then

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id wait for the Ryzen 5 3600 to go on sale

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it can get down to like $160 might go lower

little osprey Oct 13, 2020, 5:54 PM

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oh yea since the zen 3 cpus

ripe wedge Oct 13, 2020, 5:54 PM

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think u are from the UK right?

little osprey Oct 13, 2020, 5:54 PM

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ye

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no

ripe wedge Oct 13, 2020, 5:54 PM

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so prices are different for you

little osprey Oct 13, 2020, 5:54 PM

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us

ripe wedge Oct 13, 2020, 5:54 PM

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oh

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then why were you posting a UK link?

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lol

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talking about earlier

little osprey Oct 13, 2020, 5:55 PM

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for some guy

ripe wedge Oct 13, 2020, 5:55 PM

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ah

little osprey Oct 13, 2020, 5:55 PM

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that needed a m.2 ssd

ripe wedge Oct 13, 2020, 5:55 PM

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but yea the ryzen 5 3600 should fit your needs

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let me see if its on amazon day sale

little osprey Oct 13, 2020, 5:56 PM

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what about a mobo

ripe wedge Oct 13, 2020, 5:56 PM

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its not

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B550

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 5:56 PM

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anything from a B550 ds3h or a B550m pro-vdh wifi or a B550 pro4

ripe wedge Oct 13, 2020, 5:56 PM

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^

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 5:56 PM

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pg4 is oos sadly

ripe wedge Oct 13, 2020, 5:57 PM

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oos?

little osprey Oct 13, 2020, 5:57 PM

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also im getting 3000mz ram

ripe wedge Oct 13, 2020, 5:57 PM

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no

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get 3600 if you can

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 5:57 PM

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out of stock

blazing steppe Oct 13, 2020, 5:57 PM

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help?

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 5:57 PM

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3600c16 is good

little osprey Oct 13, 2020, 5:57 PM

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ah

blazing steppe Oct 13, 2020, 5:57 PM

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/WRkZLP

System Builder

ripe wedge Oct 13, 2020, 5:57 PM

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ryzen takes advantage of higher speed ram

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er zen 2 atleast

blazing steppe Oct 13, 2020, 5:58 PM

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I need help for a build for my little sister, can I have some?

little osprey Oct 13, 2020, 5:58 PM

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lemme see

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ok so

ripe wedge Oct 13, 2020, 5:58 PM

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the psu is kinda eh

little osprey Oct 13, 2020, 5:58 PM

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do you have a older cpu?

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cuz you need a bios update

ripe wedge Oct 13, 2020, 5:59 PM

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id suggest getting a B550 DS3H @blazing steppe

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mobo

little osprey Oct 13, 2020, 5:59 PM

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in order to work with the 3100

ripe wedge Oct 13, 2020, 5:59 PM

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@little osprey they should be shipping those mobos out with new bios

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so might not need update

blazing steppe Oct 13, 2020, 5:59 PM

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they do

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ship them w/ bios update

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I wanna keep the budget around $600

little osprey Oct 13, 2020, 6:00 PM

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well thats good

ripe wedge Oct 13, 2020, 6:00 PM

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@blazing steppe do you think you could fit a gigabyte b550m d3sh into ur budget?

blazing steppe Oct 13, 2020, 6:00 PM

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I'm not sure

ripe wedge Oct 13, 2020, 6:01 PM

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its a bit more like $20 more than the b450

little osprey Oct 13, 2020, 6:01 PM

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ye

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im getting so i dont need to update bios

blazing steppe Oct 13, 2020, 6:01 PM

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I would have to take somethiing else off

little osprey Oct 13, 2020, 6:01 PM

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but if you have a older cpu than buy the b450 and use the older cpu to update bios

ripe wedge Oct 13, 2020, 6:01 PM

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eh then the b450 is fine

blazing steppe Oct 13, 2020, 6:02 PM

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I think it's in budget

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I want to leave a clear upgrade path

little osprey Oct 13, 2020, 6:02 PM

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Is b450 gonna support next gen CPUs?

ripe wedge Oct 13, 2020, 6:02 PM

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no

little osprey Oct 13, 2020, 6:02 PM

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well @blazing steppe these are cheaper

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https://www.amazon.com/dp/B072LDYKQ6?tag=pcpapi-20&linkCode=ogi&th=1&psc=1&pldnSite=1

ripe wedge Oct 13, 2020, 6:02 PM

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^

little osprey Oct 13, 2020, 6:02 PM

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they're 3 120mm fans for 13$ and look better

ripe wedge Oct 13, 2020, 6:02 PM

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uphere makes ok fans

blazing steppe Oct 13, 2020, 6:03 PM

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are they good

little osprey Oct 13, 2020, 6:03 PM

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so you're saving 3 bucks

ripe wedge Oct 13, 2020, 6:03 PM

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they should be fine

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plus you will be getting 1 more fan to use

little osprey Oct 13, 2020, 6:03 PM

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for less

ripe wedge Oct 13, 2020, 6:03 PM

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so you can have 2 front intake and 1 exhaust

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nvm there is a preinstalled in the case

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so u can have a top exhaust

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but solid pc 👍

little osprey Oct 13, 2020, 6:04 PM

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which means better temps

ripe wedge Oct 13, 2020, 6:05 PM

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you could buy a CV450

little osprey Oct 13, 2020, 6:05 PM

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also cheap ram

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https://www.newegg.com/ballistix-16gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820164176?Item=N82E16820164176&nm_mc=AFC-RAN-COM&cm_mmc=AFC-RAN-COM&utm_medium=affiliates&utm_source=afc-PCPartPicker&AFFID=2558510&AFFNAME=PCPartPicker&ACRID=1&ASID=https%3A%2F%2Fpcpartpicker.com%2Fproduct%2FBxTzK8%2Fcrucial-ballistix-16-gb-2-x-8-gb-ddr4-3200-memory-bl2k8g32c16u4b&ranMID=44583&ranEAID=2558510&ranSiteID=8BacdVP0GFs-whlQHrVLsMWJrckSt17wbg

ripe wedge Oct 13, 2020, 6:05 PM

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lil cheaper and I think is better than the BQ

little osprey Oct 13, 2020, 6:05 PM

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45$ for 16gb

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3200mz

ripe wedge Oct 13, 2020, 6:05 PM

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@little osprey huh

little osprey Oct 13, 2020, 6:06 PM

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for me it says 44.49

ripe wedge Oct 13, 2020, 6:06 PM

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ah I see

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u have to scroll down to sellers

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but yeah @blazing steppe get that

little osprey Oct 13, 2020, 6:07 PM

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but you save at least 20$

ripe wedge Oct 13, 2020, 6:07 PM

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thats way better deal and probably better ram

little osprey Oct 13, 2020, 6:07 PM

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and maybe a better psu?

ripe wedge Oct 13, 2020, 6:07 PM

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yeah I was thinking the CV450

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corsair

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its good

little osprey Oct 13, 2020, 6:07 PM

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you can prob get a 80+ gold

ripe wedge Oct 13, 2020, 6:07 PM

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I have it in my brothers build

little osprey Oct 13, 2020, 6:07 PM

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for 20$ more

ripe wedge Oct 13, 2020, 6:08 PM

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not for less than $60

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bronze is fine

little osprey Oct 13, 2020, 6:08 PM

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wait

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also he needs a wifi adapter right

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cuz the mobo doesnt have wifi on it

blazing steppe Oct 13, 2020, 6:09 PM

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I don't think I can spare $20 to the budget

little leaf Oct 13, 2020, 6:09 PM

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that seller might be a scammer btw

blazing steppe Oct 13, 2020, 6:10 PM

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which seller

little leaf Oct 13, 2020, 6:10 PM

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the 40 dollar kit

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but whats the total budget?

blazing steppe Oct 13, 2020, 6:10 PM

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$600

little leaf Oct 13, 2020, 6:10 PM

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oh thats easy lol

little osprey Oct 13, 2020, 6:10 PM

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its sold by newegg

little leaf Oct 13, 2020, 6:10 PM

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no its not

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the seller is third party

little osprey Oct 13, 2020, 6:10 PM

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i dont think its a scam

blazing steppe Oct 13, 2020, 6:11 PM

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/djGFTJ

System Builder

little osprey Oct 13, 2020, 6:11 PM

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scroll down

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and find the 44 one

little leaf Oct 13, 2020, 6:11 PM

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I see

little osprey Oct 13, 2020, 6:11 PM

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look at that]

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its like 30 cents cheaper lol

ripe wedge Oct 13, 2020, 6:11 PM

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its newegg

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@little leaf

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sold and shipped by wegg

little leaf Oct 13, 2020, 6:12 PM

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I said I see lol

ripe wedge Oct 13, 2020, 6:12 PM

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ah

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lol

little leaf Oct 13, 2020, 6:13 PM

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gaming only right

little osprey Oct 13, 2020, 6:13 PM

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but we saved troll 30 cents lol

ripe wedge Oct 13, 2020, 6:13 PM

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lol

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then quad core should be fine

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and there is some upgrade room

little osprey Oct 13, 2020, 6:13 PM

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if ur doing streaming then get a 6 core

ripe wedge Oct 13, 2020, 6:13 PM

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especially with B550

blazing steppe Oct 13, 2020, 6:13 PM

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some work but not anything crazy

little leaf Oct 13, 2020, 6:13 PM

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I think a 9100f would be better for this

little osprey Oct 13, 2020, 6:14 PM

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ye

little leaf Oct 13, 2020, 6:14 PM

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since he is mostly gaming

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putting more stuff for a gpu would be better

little osprey Oct 13, 2020, 6:14 PM

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its cheaper as well

little leaf Oct 13, 2020, 6:14 PM

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could save on worse ram too

ripe wedge Oct 13, 2020, 6:14 PM

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https://pcpartpicker.com/guide/rjD48d/modest-intel-gaming-build

Modest Intel Gaming Build

blazing steppe Oct 13, 2020, 6:14 PM

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it's for my mom and my sister

ripe wedge Oct 13, 2020, 6:14 PM

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like this?

blazing steppe Oct 13, 2020, 6:14 PM

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they're going to use it for work

little osprey Oct 13, 2020, 6:14 PM

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then you dont need anything crazy

blazing steppe Oct 13, 2020, 6:15 PM

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and also I want the upgrade path to last a few years

little leaf Oct 13, 2020, 6:15 PM

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welp nvm

ripe wedge Oct 13, 2020, 6:15 PM

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AM4 is coming to an end but you do have some upgrade room for cpus

little osprey Oct 13, 2020, 6:15 PM

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if you get a 4 core then thats a easy path to a 6 core

ripe wedge Oct 13, 2020, 6:15 PM

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especially with the ton of used ryzen 3600 that will hit the market once 5000 comes out

little osprey Oct 13, 2020, 6:15 PM

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but important question

little leaf Oct 13, 2020, 6:16 PM

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well I'm in class so I can't hjelp anymore

little osprey Oct 13, 2020, 6:16 PM

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amd or intel

ripe wedge Oct 13, 2020, 6:16 PM

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F

blazing steppe Oct 13, 2020, 6:16 PM

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Amd

little osprey Oct 13, 2020, 6:16 PM

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ok

balmy patio Oct 13, 2020, 6:16 PM

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depends on your needs @little osprey

little osprey Oct 13, 2020, 6:16 PM

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i see

blazing steppe Oct 13, 2020, 6:16 PM

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gotta go to class

little osprey Oct 13, 2020, 6:16 PM

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cya

blazing steppe Oct 13, 2020, 6:16 PM

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be back at 12:30

little osprey Oct 13, 2020, 6:16 PM

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k

balmy patio Oct 13, 2020, 6:16 PM

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if you wanna be that cool dude with money go intel

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if you want something modest and not so overkill go amd

little osprey Oct 13, 2020, 6:17 PM

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https://www.amazon.com/Intel-i3-9100F-Desktop-Processor-Graphics/dp/B07R7Q3JZH/ref=sr_1_3?dchild=1&keywords=i3+9100f&qid=1602613037&sr=8-3

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here

little leaf Oct 13, 2020, 6:17 PM

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thats not how it works lol

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a 9100f is 70 dollars

little osprey Oct 13, 2020, 6:17 PM

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i3 9100f

little leaf Oct 13, 2020, 6:17 PM

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@balmy patio you are wrong

balmy patio Oct 13, 2020, 6:18 PM

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frick

little osprey Oct 13, 2020, 6:18 PM

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but it has no integrated graphics onboard

little leaf Oct 13, 2020, 6:18 PM

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modelbrand

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neither does a 3100

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whats your point

little osprey Oct 13, 2020, 6:18 PM

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im saying

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if you want your rig to be 30 bucks cheaper

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go with intel

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since you got a ok gpu

little leaf Oct 13, 2020, 6:22 PM

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@paper walrus your getting a 3080 or something right

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cause that build hurts me if your not

little osprey Oct 13, 2020, 6:22 PM

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yeah

paper walrus Oct 13, 2020, 6:22 PM

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i hot for 3060 or 3070

little osprey Oct 13, 2020, 6:22 PM

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a very powerful cpu

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wasted

little leaf Oct 13, 2020, 6:22 PM

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ok that build hurts then

paper walrus Oct 13, 2020, 6:22 PM

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hope

little osprey Oct 13, 2020, 6:22 PM

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on a crap gpu

empty cape Oct 13, 2020, 6:23 PM

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Hey guys... I was thinking of building this one : https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/myX7PV this mainly for gaming (POE, GW2, Valorant, VR, ETC) and a bit of accounting/programming. Would you agree with that build? Would you change anything?

System Builder

little leaf Oct 13, 2020, 6:23 PM

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could've easily fit in a 3080

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first x570 bad

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no cooler needed

paper walrus Oct 13, 2020, 6:23 PM

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budget is key here

little leaf Oct 13, 2020, 6:23 PM

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how much did you spend?

little osprey Oct 13, 2020, 6:23 PM

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@empty cape you could fit a 3080 in there

little leaf Oct 13, 2020, 6:23 PM

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if more than 1300 easy 3080

little osprey Oct 13, 2020, 6:23 PM

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which is more powerful

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than a 2070 super

paper walrus Oct 13, 2020, 6:24 PM

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i have to build another and sell to get a gpu

empty cape Oct 13, 2020, 6:24 PM

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@little osprey yes but out of stock and 400$CAD extra

little leaf Oct 13, 2020, 6:24 PM

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not talking to you

little osprey Oct 13, 2020, 6:24 PM

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ight then

little leaf Oct 13, 2020, 6:24 PM

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oh wait he is lol

little osprey Oct 13, 2020, 6:25 PM

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ight im gonna eat the lunch i have

little leaf Oct 13, 2020, 6:25 PM

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@empty cape 32 gigs of ram not needed unless your programing needs it 3700x also not needed.

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stock cooler not needed

paper walrus Oct 13, 2020, 6:25 PM

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i have 1437$ invested at this point

little leaf Oct 13, 2020, 6:25 PM

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ya thats an easy 3080

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look at my name

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and copy the list

empty cape Oct 13, 2020, 6:26 PM

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@little leaf I need a wifi/BT mobo

little leaf Oct 13, 2020, 6:26 PM

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ik

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https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/PM6f7X @empty cape

System Builder

empty cape Oct 13, 2020, 6:28 PM

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ok

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and why is the X570 not good?

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Just for my personal curiosity

little leaf Oct 13, 2020, 6:29 PM

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too expensive

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really not needed unless you need the high speed ssds which most people don't

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for most people it really doesn't have enough features that they use to make it worth more than b550

empty cape Oct 13, 2020, 6:30 PM

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ok

foggy hazel Oct 13, 2020, 7:00 PM

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there was a market for those cpu's being used in desktop boards back in the day @little osprey

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https://www.anandtech.com/show/1650

Intel's Pentium M Desktop Part II: ASUS' Pentium M to Pentium 4 Soc...

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have a look :)

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page 2 should give some insight to the crazy :)

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aye

viral ore Oct 13, 2020, 7:03 PM

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mobile athlon xp m chips were multiplier unlocked, and worked in desktop boards that supported athlon xp cpus

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so people would put slower XP m chips in desktop boards and crank em

foggy hazel Oct 13, 2020, 7:04 PM

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aye, except pentium m was not remotely the same kind of chip @viral ore

viral ore Oct 13, 2020, 7:04 PM

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yeah ik

foggy hazel Oct 13, 2020, 7:04 PM

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kk :)

viral ore Oct 13, 2020, 7:04 PM

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just another example of socketed mobile chips

foggy hazel Oct 13, 2020, 7:04 PM

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and yes, was you outlined was indeed something that happended :)

viral ore Oct 13, 2020, 7:05 PM

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i mean, im that young too, but ive worked with lots of older hardware, so i know a good deal about old junk

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google has taught me much

foggy hazel Oct 13, 2020, 7:05 PM

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and in case you dont know Arch, the pentium m was the start of what turned into the Core and later Core2 series

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it came from the Israel branch of Intel

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(which funnily enough are also the ones that did work on Tiger Lake)

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Tiger Lake ofc being the upcoming chip from intel

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the one that is currently only in mobile

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not much to keep up with really :)

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https://www.anandtech.com/show/16148/amd-ryzen-5000-and-zen-3-on-nov-5th-19-ipc-claims-best-gaming-cpu/2

AMD Ryzen 5000 and Zen 3 on Nov 5th: +19% IPC, Claims Best Gaming CPU

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have a look at the first table on that one @little osprey

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its a fair jump over their other chips

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and just to be clear, i am not saying that it will save their bacon this time around

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just that cpu engineering is a fascinating field :)

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:)

empty cape Oct 13, 2020, 7:29 PM

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Hey guys... I'm really having a hard time here! I want to build a 1500~2000$CAD desktop and there is just too many choices between Intel and AMD and I want something that will last 3-5 years but I also don't want to over spend for something I won't use.

Every time I make up my mind... someone destroys it.... could I get help from one good gaming/programming/accounting enthusiast to help me build something perfect for me?

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 7:30 PM

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Lol don't worry we'll keep debating stuff here

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@empty cape so, when are you building?

empty cape Oct 13, 2020, 7:31 PM

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@stoic island kinda nowish (from now to max 2 weeks)

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 7:31 PM

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Got it, can't wait?

empty cape Oct 13, 2020, 7:32 PM

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Well I have a wierd company bonus that needs to be spent on CPU parts and it has to be spent before the end of october

foggy hazel Oct 13, 2020, 7:32 PM

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any limit on retailer?

empty cape Oct 13, 2020, 7:32 PM

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no

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 7:33 PM

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Oh interesting

little leaf Oct 13, 2020, 7:33 PM

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https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/PM6f7X this was the list that I made he chose case

System Builder

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 7:34 PM

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Wheeee I'd love it if pcpp would load

empty cape Oct 13, 2020, 7:35 PM

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I honestly don't think I will use that RTX3080... lol 😉

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As for the processor... I deal with 300 000 lines EXCEL files with VBA macros

little leaf Oct 13, 2020, 7:37 PM

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just change it to a 3700x

empty cape Oct 13, 2020, 7:39 PM

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yah... but from what I read on Toms hardware... games are better on Intel (5%-15%) and the i5 10600K has the same capacity as the 3700X

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man... it's been wayyyy too long since I build a new system

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5 years ago... it was easy... i7 / 32go ram / asus mobo

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 7:39 PM

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I'm back

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list making time

empty cape Oct 13, 2020, 7:41 PM

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and I've also read that it's better to use 4x 8go ram than 2x 16go

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i'm lost lol

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Welcome back @stoic island

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 7:41 PM

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where does it say that

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Because I can't think of any reasons

empty cape Oct 13, 2020, 7:41 PM

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On Toms Hardware

ripe wedge Oct 13, 2020, 7:42 PM

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I would prefer 2x16 over 4x8

empty cape Oct 13, 2020, 7:42 PM

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Same...

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or at least its my conception

ripe wedge Oct 13, 2020, 7:42 PM

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especially on a 4 slot mobo

empty cape Oct 13, 2020, 7:42 PM

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that means you can upgrade to 64go

ripe wedge Oct 13, 2020, 7:42 PM

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cuz then you can upgrade more down the line and not get a whole new set

empty cape Oct 13, 2020, 7:42 PM

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yep

ripe wedge Oct 13, 2020, 7:42 PM

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ye but most mobos also support 128gb now

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so you could do 4x32

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lol

empty cape Oct 13, 2020, 7:43 PM

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I doubt I will ever need 128go lol

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In fact... i doubt I'll need 32go... but ram is sooo cheap now

ripe wedge Oct 13, 2020, 7:43 PM

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32gb I think is pretty good for a long time

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I am up to the upper limits of my 16gb set rn

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I am still on my laptop lol waiting on my parts

empty cape Oct 13, 2020, 7:44 PM

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Hehehe 😉

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Okay... so.... Intel or AMD

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 7:44 PM

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hm

empty cape Oct 13, 2020, 7:45 PM

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I need to make up my mind about this one

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 7:45 PM

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Can't really find anything that says much about it

#

anyways

ripe wedge Oct 13, 2020, 7:45 PM

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either or

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either way will have a shorter upgrade path

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cuz am5 next year

little leaf Oct 13, 2020, 7:45 PM

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@empty cape when I asked you you said mainly gaming

ripe wedge Oct 13, 2020, 7:46 PM

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and z490 platform is only guaranteed 11th gen

empty cape Oct 13, 2020, 7:46 PM

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yes 60% gaming, 30% programming, 10% accounting

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 7:46 PM

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honestly

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@empty cape how do you feel about a weaker gpu today, and get a 3070 whenever stock becomes avaliable?

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because 3080 stock is just nonexistent, and I assume the same for 3070

empty cape Oct 13, 2020, 7:47 PM

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I currently run with an EVGA 1060 SC and it runs everything I need super fine

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 7:47 PM

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or even keep that 1060 until 3070 becomes avaliable

languid nimbus Oct 13, 2020, 7:47 PM

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they moved it two weeks to have “more stock”, but that just doesn’t sound like the truth to me idk

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 7:47 PM

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that's an option

empty cape Oct 13, 2020, 7:47 PM

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My current computer needs to stay operational, as I will give it to my wife

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and she game as well... so.... I need to keep that 1060 inside 😉

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 7:48 PM

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ah

languid nimbus Oct 13, 2020, 7:48 PM

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yeah dude, I’ve got a 1060 atm too and it does what you need it to basically. It’ll be great when you do upgrade but if you’re in no rush, just try to get the 3070/80 when you can

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what’s your psu rated for?

empty cape Oct 13, 2020, 7:49 PM

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Inside my cpu? 650W gold

little leaf Oct 13, 2020, 7:49 PM

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cpu?

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 7:50 PM

#

So, how do you feel about something like this, and then upgrade to 3070 (~650cad) when it becomes available?
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/tTPqsX

System Builder

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I think you mean to say inside your PC

empty cape Oct 13, 2020, 7:50 PM

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yah inside my PC

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 7:50 PM

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1660 super is a step up from 1060

empty cape Oct 13, 2020, 7:51 PM

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Give me a sec i'll list my current PC

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stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 7:51 PM

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But do look at that list please :)

empty cape Oct 13, 2020, 7:51 PM

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stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 7:51 PM

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not bad at all

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oh right

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you might want 32gb ram

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brb

upbeat lodge Oct 13, 2020, 7:52 PM

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Canada

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Shipping

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Tho

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 7:52 PM

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excuse me?

upbeat lodge Oct 13, 2020, 7:52 PM

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Your build

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 7:52 PM

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Yes

upbeat lodge Oct 13, 2020, 7:52 PM

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Why

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It’s going to be hard to get cus COVID

empty cape Oct 13, 2020, 7:53 PM

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I'm from Canada... ?

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 7:53 PM

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iirc it's like 10$ flat shipping for most of the cad shipping

upbeat lodge Oct 13, 2020, 7:53 PM

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OH

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Oh

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Oh

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 7:53 PM

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like vuugo is 9$ listed for most provinces

upbeat lodge Oct 13, 2020, 7:53 PM

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He s in Canada

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Okay

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 7:53 PM

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Newegg is mostly free, a few with like 8$ shipping

upbeat lodge Oct 13, 2020, 7:54 PM

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I’m dumb

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Sorry

empty cape Oct 13, 2020, 7:54 PM

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hahaha 😉

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 7:54 PM

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yea why else would I use ca.pcpartpicker.com then :P

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anyways for now:
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/QZ9zy4

System Builder

upbeat lodge Oct 13, 2020, 7:54 PM

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Idk

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Sorry

foggy hazel Oct 13, 2020, 7:54 PM

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because you want to make life complicated for yourself @stoic island

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dont ask silly questions like that :P

upbeat lodge Oct 13, 2020, 7:54 PM

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Lol

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 7:54 PM

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Take a look, how do you feel about it?

upbeat lodge Oct 13, 2020, 7:54 PM

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Me

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?

foggy hazel Oct 13, 2020, 7:54 PM

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him

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 7:54 PM

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@foggy hazel yea that's why I won't ever be able to make grid bases in factorio :(

foggy hazel Oct 13, 2020, 7:54 PM

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as in, mr1111

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:)

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 7:54 PM

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I'll keep blundering about

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and have my fun

foggy hazel Oct 13, 2020, 7:55 PM

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fun is the more important stat :)

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 7:55 PM

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and every time I have a problem with something

empty cape Oct 13, 2020, 7:55 PM

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Seems like a good setup for me

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 7:55 PM

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my first thought is double it

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@empty cape of course, 1660 super is a "budget" tier GPU, would upgrade someone soon down the line

empty cape Oct 13, 2020, 7:55 PM

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the mobo is bugging me tho... I've never seen the MSI B550M listed anywhere

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 7:55 PM

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B550m pro-vdh wifi? We can switch it to pro4 if you don't feel comfortable with it

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and also, do you need wifi or do you have ethernet?

empty cape Oct 13, 2020, 7:56 PM

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I need wifi and BT

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 7:56 PM

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Alright than that board might be your best option

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MSI isn't a small company, I have more detailed specs on it if you want them

empty cape Oct 13, 2020, 7:57 PM

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Nah I know MSI and I trust them... just that particular board seems..... "basic" lol 😉

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 7:57 PM

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Of course, basic is all you need >:D
Unless you have more specific requirements?

empty cape Oct 13, 2020, 7:57 PM

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nah... not really

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I guess.... there is just less marketing invested in this one loll

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 7:58 PM

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:O Motherboard mastersheet got MSRP added

empty cape Oct 13, 2020, 7:58 PM

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Felt like the X570 was more powerful loll

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 7:58 PM

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Well,

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the only major chipset differences between x570 and b550 is X570 has PCIe gen 4 on everything, and b550 only has gen 4 on M.2_1 and PCI_E1

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Because B550 chipset lanes are running gen3 (CPU lanes still gen 4), and X570 chipset lanes are running gen 4

empty cape Oct 13, 2020, 7:59 PM

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ok

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Would that make a big difference? (I guess not)

foggy hazel Oct 13, 2020, 8:00 PM

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generally? no

empty cape Oct 13, 2020, 8:01 PM

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ok

languid nimbus Oct 13, 2020, 8:01 PM

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green

empty cape Oct 13, 2020, 8:01 PM

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Do I need a cooler or the stock cooler is enough?

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 8:01 PM

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Stock cooler on AMD is good enough for 3rd gen.

empty cape Oct 13, 2020, 8:01 PM

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ok

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Finally... some ppl IRL told me that RTX is a big big thing... and that why I selected the 2060

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Is that really that big of a thing?

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 8:02 PM

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Here's the thing

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I choose the 1660 super because I plan on having you grab a RTX 3070 down the line (sometime like jan/feb next year when they get stock)

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because RTX 2060 isn't gonna give you great RTX performance

empty cape Oct 13, 2020, 8:03 PM

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I know myself... I won't upgrade lol

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What I get now.. will stay like that for the next 3-5 years

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 8:04 PM

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oh boy

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that'll warrant a bit of changing then

empty cape Oct 13, 2020, 8:04 PM

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hahaha

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 8:04 PM

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it just kinda sucks to get anything above a 2060 right now since 3070 is coming

empty cape Oct 13, 2020, 8:04 PM

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yah but the pricing man

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1000$ for a GPU!

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 8:04 PM

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3070 pricing is gonna be same MSRP as 2070 super

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which is ~630cad

empty cape Oct 13, 2020, 8:05 PM

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oh really?

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 8:05 PM

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500USD for both

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I'm not sure about cad pricing, but that's how it goes for US

empty cape Oct 13, 2020, 8:05 PM

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kk

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 8:06 PM

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So, can you change your mind on not grabbing a 3070 in a few months?

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because I left room in the budget assuming 2000cad max

empty cape Oct 13, 2020, 8:06 PM

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Yah I guess I could upgrade and resell the 1660

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 8:07 PM

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or give it to your wife :)

empty cape Oct 13, 2020, 8:07 PM

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True

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 8:07 PM

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1660s is a step up from 1060

foggy hazel Oct 13, 2020, 8:07 PM

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consider this

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everything BUT the gpu is a very very solid foundation

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you are just in the unlucky position of building "right in between"

empty cape Oct 13, 2020, 8:08 PM

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Yah 😦

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 8:08 PM

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(In terms of timing)

foggy hazel Oct 13, 2020, 8:08 PM

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that GPU upgrade would indeed give you a SOLID machine for many years to come

empty cape Oct 13, 2020, 8:08 PM

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Is there any benefit in getting the Crucial P1 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive instead of the western digital?

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 8:08 PM

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Nope

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you'd step down actually

empty cape Oct 13, 2020, 8:08 PM

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so many ppl seems to use this one

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ok

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 8:09 PM

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P1 has rated speeds of around 2000/1700 iirc, SN750 something like 3400/3000

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mb/s

foggy hazel Oct 13, 2020, 8:09 PM

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side note: many people also have bugger all idea about "why" they choose a specific part

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 8:09 PM

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While it's a small difference when it comes to everyday life, it's an increase.

empty cape Oct 13, 2020, 8:09 PM

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Finally... I would like to ask you somehting... I always gotten ATX.... whats the difference between ATX and Micro ATX (it's just the card size?)

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 8:10 PM

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It's like why did I spend like 80$ on fans for a 50$ case

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I have no god damn clue

rugged bough Oct 13, 2020, 8:10 PM

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yeah

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 8:10 PM

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I assume you're asking about motherboard?

empty cape Oct 13, 2020, 8:10 PM

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yes

foggy hazel Oct 13, 2020, 8:10 PM

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IF the models you are looking at, are done "right"

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 8:10 PM

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oh and case wise, I might swap that for an ATX case so you could do ATX some time down the line

foggy hazel Oct 13, 2020, 8:10 PM

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then it is JUST a case of less pci-e slots

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 8:11 PM

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and the difference from ATX and mATX is that mATX cuts off the bottom

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basically same everything else

empty cape Oct 13, 2020, 8:11 PM

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ok

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 8:11 PM

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except they cut the bottom off, and taking like an extra pcie slot or two with it

empty cape Oct 13, 2020, 8:11 PM

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PCI_E for me is for gpu lol!

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I don't use PCI_E for anything else

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 8:12 PM

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Yea most people don't have any use for the extra like 3 PCIe x1 slots :P

foggy hazel Oct 13, 2020, 8:12 PM

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then IF you really really wanted to, you could go ITX

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but, that would potentially limit you on RAM

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 8:12 PM

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ITX basically = Tiny mATX

foggy hazel Oct 13, 2020, 8:12 PM

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ITX = mainboard with 1 pci-e slot and nothing else

empty cape Oct 13, 2020, 8:12 PM

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ok

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 8:12 PM

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but building ITX usually increases costs by a pretty big amount

foggy hazel Oct 13, 2020, 8:12 PM

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oh yes

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itx is NOT cheap

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 8:12 PM

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ITX cases are more expensive, boards more expensive, and only get 2 ram slots in most cases

empty cape Oct 13, 2020, 8:13 PM

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loll

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 8:13 PM

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like the good sliger ITX cases nachos talk about is like 400 USD

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it can get crazy

empty cape Oct 13, 2020, 8:13 PM

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wow!

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cases = 100$ or less

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it's not a car... I don't need to show whats inside 😉

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haha

uncut pelican Oct 13, 2020, 8:13 PM

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This good list?

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/

System Builder

foggy hazel Oct 13, 2020, 8:14 PM

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but again, if you want a small footprint/volume for your machine (because it can fit on a shelf or something). ITX is the way to go

uncut pelican Oct 13, 2020, 8:14 PM

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For basic stuff

empty cape Oct 13, 2020, 8:14 PM

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Okay

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 8:14 PM

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@empty cape do you want to have an ATX case so you can have ATX boards down the line or are you fine with mATX?

empty cape Oct 13, 2020, 8:14 PM

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yah I guess i'll go with an ATX case

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"just in case"

uncut pelican Oct 13, 2020, 8:15 PM

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lmao

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That was good

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 8:15 PM

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hm

foggy hazel Oct 13, 2020, 8:15 PM

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@uncut pelican your list is okay

uncut pelican Oct 13, 2020, 8:15 PM

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😐 I don't like ok's what can be better?

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 8:15 PM

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black or white

foggy hazel Oct 13, 2020, 8:15 PM

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if you are okay with using the standard list of "whatever i last looked at"

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 8:16 PM

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xD

foggy hazel Oct 13, 2020, 8:16 PM

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@uncut pelican in other words. You linked the wrong thing :)

uncut pelican Oct 13, 2020, 8:16 PM

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😐

foggy hazel Oct 13, 2020, 8:16 PM

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📎 unknown.png

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that URL is what you need to copy and paste :)

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 8:16 PM

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Look at the URL @uncut pelican

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uncut pelican Oct 13, 2020, 8:17 PM

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/k4mcfP?

System Builder

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 8:17 PM

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But anyways, black or white?

uncut pelican Oct 13, 2020, 8:17 PM

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Frickle

empty cape Oct 13, 2020, 8:17 PM

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@stoic island thats my desk... so I don't know.... black would probably fit better

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stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 8:17 PM

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(thinking about one of the 275r airflows, gonna spam some images)

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📎 6a1f77b51f753e7c0e9ddc3224020f1d.png

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📎 d931138ef265c1951fcd54781c390741.png

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top or bottom :)

empty cape Oct 13, 2020, 8:18 PM

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I'd go with the black one (bottom)

upbeat lodge Oct 13, 2020, 8:18 PM

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📎 image0.png

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Any good

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 8:18 PM

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alright

upbeat lodge Oct 13, 2020, 8:18 PM

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?

eager flower Oct 13, 2020, 8:18 PM

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/GcrgsX This gonna be what I build

System Builder

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 8:18 PM

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@upbeat lodge no ventus is bad

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Ventus has a really thin heatsink

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and not good cooling

upbeat lodge Oct 13, 2020, 8:18 PM

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Okay

foggy hazel Oct 13, 2020, 8:18 PM

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@uncut pelican your list is a bit of a weird mix of directions

upbeat lodge Oct 13, 2020, 8:18 PM

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Thanks

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 8:18 PM

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might not matter as much for a 1660s but keep it in mind

upbeat lodge Oct 13, 2020, 8:19 PM

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Okay just looking at stuff that not a 3080

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Cus I probably won’t be able to get one

uncut pelican Oct 13, 2020, 8:19 PM

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@uncut pelican your list is a bit of a weird mix of directions
@foggy hazel 😐 This is confusing lol second list I've ever made

upbeat lodge Oct 13, 2020, 8:19 PM

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Soon

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 8:19 PM

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Yea you could grab smth like that for a temp GPU until 3080 become in stock in like 2, 3 months or so

upbeat lodge Oct 13, 2020, 8:19 PM

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Okay

foggy hazel Oct 13, 2020, 8:20 PM

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no one ever said it was simple @uncut pelican

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 8:20 PM

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First glance, reconsider CPU cooler, Ram, SSD, PSU

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I go bak to making cad list

upbeat lodge Oct 13, 2020, 8:20 PM

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What about the MSi 3070

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 8:20 PM

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@empty cape :)
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/rtyzy4

System Builder

uncut pelican Oct 13, 2020, 8:20 PM

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True naed

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 8:21 PM

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@upbeat lodge My bet is 3070 is going to go out of stock even faster than 3080

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Just saying

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:P

empty cape Oct 13, 2020, 8:21 PM

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and... I don't know anything about the SeaSonic PSU... is that a good brand? I always went with Corsair in the past.

upbeat lodge Oct 13, 2020, 8:21 PM

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Okay

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 8:21 PM

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modelbrand

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but Seasonic gets pretty amazing PSUs

empty cape Oct 13, 2020, 8:21 PM

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haha

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okay... I trust you man

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 8:22 PM

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I mean, if warranty is any indicator, the Seasonic GM has a 7 year warranty

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GX usually gets 10 years

uncut pelican Oct 13, 2020, 8:22 PM

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What do you think that I could approve with this list?

polar python Oct 13, 2020, 8:22 PM

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is there a release date for the r5 5600/5600x?

empty cape Oct 13, 2020, 8:23 PM

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Sick man... so I guess I will go ahead and order this one... don't want to change my mind anymore

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 8:23 PM

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5600 no, 5600x should go with rest of the Zen 3 chips

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@empty cape hey hey, doubting is good, who knows, we're all humans and we make mistakes :)
Catching those mistakes can be quite beneficial.

foggy hazel Oct 13, 2020, 8:23 PM

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which is nov 5th

empty cape Oct 13, 2020, 8:24 PM

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Yes... but doubting too much is counter productive

upbeat lodge Oct 13, 2020, 8:25 PM

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Yes or no

foggy hazel Oct 13, 2020, 8:26 PM

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@uncut pelican what is your actual budget?

empty cape Oct 13, 2020, 8:26 PM

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I was wondering... if I want newegg to build my new PC.... do they have a service like NCIX used to do? I only needed to add a line to my order and it was like 50$ ish

uncut pelican Oct 13, 2020, 8:26 PM

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Not my list, theirs is 1500

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 8:27 PM

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@empty cape sadly, no, but hey, it's fun to build :)

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@upbeat lodge I say no :P

foggy hazel Oct 13, 2020, 8:27 PM

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@uncut pelican when are they buying?

upbeat lodge Oct 13, 2020, 8:28 PM

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Okay

uncut pelican Oct 13, 2020, 8:28 PM

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Not totally sure

foggy hazel Oct 13, 2020, 8:29 PM

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/brgWZZ

System Builder

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i expect you have the c920 there because they actually want/need that

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same for the specific monitor

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and case likewise

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@uncut pelican above is for you.

empty cape Oct 13, 2020, 8:42 PM

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@stoic island Just realized that this GPU won't work as I need 1x DVI and 2x DP port for my setup

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Would you have another suggestion ?

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 8:43 PM

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one sec

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1660 super has 1 hdmi, 1 dp, 1dvi, any chance you could get a hdmi to dp?
I'll go look for another option for ya too

empty cape Oct 13, 2020, 8:44 PM

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it's for a VR headset..

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 8:44 PM

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oh interesting

empty cape Oct 13, 2020, 8:44 PM

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and a Freesync monitor

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 8:44 PM

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you can run HDMI on most freesync monitors

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assuming 1080p144hz or whatever

empty cape Oct 13, 2020, 8:44 PM

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AOC 27G2

slender owl Oct 13, 2020, 8:44 PM

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Is Vengeance lpx 2x8gb 3000MHz 15-17-17-35 any good?

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 8:45 PM

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check, you should be able to run that off hdmi

empty cape Oct 13, 2020, 8:45 PM

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I taught you had to use the DP for it to work with FREESYNC on an nvidia card

stark tangle Oct 13, 2020, 8:45 PM

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@stoic island i do lots of vr u need direct display port to display port if u want ur vr to run at proper refresh rates

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 8:45 PM

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@slender owl it's basically 3200mhzcl16

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@empty cape yea if you use g-sync, if you don't use g-sync, you don't need dp :P

slender owl Oct 13, 2020, 8:45 PM

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Thanks

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 8:45 PM

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I'll continue to look

empty cape Oct 13, 2020, 8:45 PM

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I use g-sync

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@stark tangle yep! thats why I need 2x DP on my GPU

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 8:46 PM

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only idea I can think of is 5500xt

stark tangle Oct 13, 2020, 8:46 PM

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Im assuming u have an index @empty cape

empty cape Oct 13, 2020, 8:46 PM

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Vive Pro

stark tangle Oct 13, 2020, 8:47 PM

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Oh right yeah that also uses dp

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 8:47 PM

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which might even be a step down from 1060

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so I don't really want that for ya

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hmm

empty cape Oct 13, 2020, 8:47 PM

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I'm forked! 🙂

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 8:47 PM

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@empty cape RTX 2060.

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Sadly, that's gonna be more money that might be wasted when you swap to like 3070

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but that'll work

empty cape Oct 13, 2020, 8:48 PM

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kk any models in particular?

stark tangle Oct 13, 2020, 8:49 PM

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Ngl maybe a used 2070

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If u can get it cheap enough

empty cape Oct 13, 2020, 8:50 PM

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https://www.newegg.ca/evga-geforce-rtx-2060-super-08g-p4-3067-kr/p/N82E16814487460?Description=nvidia rtx2060 super 8gb&cm_re=nvidia_rtx2060 super 8gb-_-14-487-460-_-Product

little osprey Oct 13, 2020, 9:06 PM

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what is best gpu for 200$ us

stark tangle Oct 13, 2020, 9:31 PM

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@edgy wagon why u only haev 1 ram sticc

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Need that dual channel smh

edgy wagon Oct 13, 2020, 9:33 PM

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i have 2

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16gbs

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one is black

stark tangle Oct 13, 2020, 9:33 PM

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OH

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Im blind

edgy wagon Oct 13, 2020, 9:33 PM

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i bought the black one first when I made a super budget athelon build

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then the white later

stark tangle Oct 13, 2020, 9:34 PM

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My b

edgy wagon Oct 13, 2020, 9:34 PM

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planning on buying 16gbs of corsair 3600 soon

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yeah I regret not getting white at first

stark tangle Oct 13, 2020, 9:34 PM

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@edgy wagon bruh get a 16gb 3600 kit on amazon rn asap

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Kits for like 60$ ish rn with prime day

edgy wagon Oct 13, 2020, 9:35 PM

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prime day?

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dang

stark tangle Oct 13, 2020, 9:35 PM

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There's even an oloy one thats 57

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The timings aren't amazing but for the price u can't go wrong

edgy wagon Oct 13, 2020, 9:39 PM

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yeah i got oloy rn

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for white corsair rgb pro newegg still has lower prices for 3600 speed

polar python Oct 13, 2020, 9:39 PM

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is the the rtx 3060 confirmed?

edgy wagon Oct 13, 2020, 9:39 PM

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not yet

polar python Oct 13, 2020, 9:39 PM

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yet?

edgy wagon Oct 13, 2020, 9:39 PM

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3060 ti was shown online though

polar python Oct 13, 2020, 9:40 PM

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so its possible

edgy wagon Oct 13, 2020, 9:40 PM

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so prob yeah

polar python Oct 13, 2020, 9:40 PM

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what are some good gpus for 500or less

edgy wagon Oct 13, 2020, 9:40 PM

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just wait till 3070 comes out

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nothing can beat it

raven lynx Oct 13, 2020, 9:40 PM

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Trying to find an inexpensive MB for a A-10 Bristol CPU.....seems the B450 chipset not compatible

edgy wagon Oct 13, 2020, 9:41 PM

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maybe amds new gpus can

polar python Oct 13, 2020, 9:41 PM

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what are the prices of AMDs gpus

little leaf Oct 13, 2020, 9:43 PM

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We dont know

polar python Oct 13, 2020, 9:45 PM

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o ok

edgy wagon Oct 13, 2020, 9:53 PM

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just wait a month or 2 and see what gpus are out

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complete waste of money to buy rn

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@polar python

polar python Oct 13, 2020, 10:00 PM

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ive been waiting for sooooooo long

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Distraught

pallid summit Oct 13, 2020, 10:58 PM

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is the
r9 5900x
asus x570 pro prime
G.Skill TridenZ 2x16GB 4000mhz
NZXT Kraken X73
seagate firecuda 520
a good build?

icy quail Oct 13, 2020, 11:02 PM

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Yo

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What does this do for my motherboard

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📎 image0.jpg

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It was previously there before it fell off lol

📎 image0.jpg

pallid summit Oct 13, 2020, 11:05 PM

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if there is a spongy pad on the other side it's likely a thermal heat spreader

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 11:05 PM

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@pallid summit use pcpartpicker.com

icy quail Oct 13, 2020, 11:05 PM

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Yeah there is

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 11:05 PM

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@icy quail VRM heatsink

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Cools the VRMs

icy quail Oct 13, 2020, 11:05 PM

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I’m gonna take a educated guess and say if I don’t put it back it will not be good for my motherboards health

pallid summit Oct 13, 2020, 11:06 PM

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I know the parts are compatible but I want to know if it's a good combination or if I should look for other parts

icy quail Oct 13, 2020, 11:06 PM

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@stoic island

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I’m gonna take a educated guess and say if I don’t put it back it will not be good for my motherboards health
@icy quail

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 11:07 PM

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It would not be.

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VRMs can get toasty

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@pallid summit it's just much easier to edit whenever it's on pcpp :p

pallid summit Oct 13, 2020, 11:08 PM

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they don't have the motherboard on pcpp

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 11:09 PM

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X570-prime I'm pretty damn sure they do

pallid summit Oct 13, 2020, 11:09 PM

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they don't have the asus x570 pro prime

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nvm I found it

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 11:11 PM

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And custom parts is an option

pallid summit Oct 13, 2020, 11:15 PM

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fwqZLP

System Builder

viral ore Oct 13, 2020, 11:18 PM

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it fell off?

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i would suggest pulling the board out and making sure nothing is caught behind the board

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and try to reattach it in the process

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if your running like a 3600 or less, you should be ok with running it without the heat spreader

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 11:21 PM

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First things first, made ram and SSD less ridiculous but still good. What GPU are you gonna grab?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/6fnRBc
@pallid summit

System Builder

pallid summit Oct 13, 2020, 11:22 PM

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I'm going to wait for amd to show us what they have before I commit to a GPU

viral ore Oct 13, 2020, 11:23 PM

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y that list have 64gb ram

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 11:23 PM

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@viral ore I'm starting off with what they basically had at first

viral ore Oct 13, 2020, 11:23 PM

#

o

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 11:23 PM

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Because you know I'm not getting a x73

pallid summit Oct 13, 2020, 11:24 PM

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why not the 4000mhz ram?

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 11:24 PM

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So let's start of with the basics

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I ask you, why the 4000mhz ram?

cloud oasis Oct 13, 2020, 11:25 PM

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Free fps boost

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ez

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 11:25 PM

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I want to know what you think it'll get you over 3600mhz cl16

cloud oasis Oct 13, 2020, 11:25 PM

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Not worth over 200$ tho

pallid summit Oct 13, 2020, 11:25 PM

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high polycount cycles renders

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 11:25 PM

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And you think 5900x can run IF 1:1 with that?

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And by the way, 4000c18 is actually higher effective first word read latency than 3600c16 sooo

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9ns vs 8.889ns

pallid summit Oct 13, 2020, 11:27 PM

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I know lower CAS is better but does it make a big difference? is it more important that having a higher frequency?

viral ore Oct 13, 2020, 11:28 PM

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depends on if you really need all that bandwidth

pallid summit Oct 13, 2020, 11:29 PM

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it does help with render times

viral ore Oct 13, 2020, 11:29 PM

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not necessarily

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im sure whatever kind of rendering you are doing will only benefit from so much memory bandwidth

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theres a point where you could run your memory at 8000MT/s, and it wouldnt increase the render speed

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do some research on the software you are running, but in general, anything over 3600MT/s for ryzen is overkill

pallid summit Oct 13, 2020, 11:32 PM

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it does benefit from faster ram

viral ore Oct 13, 2020, 11:32 PM

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source?

pallid summit Oct 13, 2020, 11:33 PM

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jayz

viral ore Oct 13, 2020, 11:33 PM

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link

pallid summit Oct 13, 2020, 11:34 PM

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I'd have to find the video again

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 11:34 PM

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Bak

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Ryzen 3rd gen benefitted from faster ram as long as it could still run at 1:1 with IF, once it went to 2:1 because IF couldn't do 1:1, performance went down the drain.

pallid summit Oct 13, 2020, 11:37 PM

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what about overclocking it to match the 4000mhz

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 11:38 PM

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Problem is, it couldn't.

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1800mhz is as high as it goes stock

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(3600MT/s ram)

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Most can only get OCed to 1900mhz (3800MT/s ram)

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And AMD isn't changing infinity fabric for the new chips, so expect the same thing.

viral ore Oct 13, 2020, 11:40 PM

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one of these days im gonna get around to ocing my 4 sticks of b die

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all ive done is set the command rate to 1T

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plus XMP

pallid summit Oct 13, 2020, 11:41 PM

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so there is no point in getting the 4000mhz as you explained

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why not go for gen 4 m.2?

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I'm going to be using it and transferring it to newer systems for probably the next decade

viral ore Oct 13, 2020, 11:44 PM

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it costs much more

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it would be cheaper to upgrade to it when you actually need it

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and by then it will be much cheaper

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 11:45 PM

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@pallid summit the first one was gen3 sooo

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and why you need gen 4?

pallid summit Oct 13, 2020, 11:46 PM

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520 is gen 4

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I don't need it right now but I plan on keeping it for when it becomes useful

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 11:47 PM

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Oh I saw the wrong one

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oh well

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hm

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No idea why all the gen 4 speeds are so wack

pallid summit Oct 13, 2020, 11:49 PM

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they are using TLC instead of the MLQ iirc

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 11:50 PM

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there's the really good drives like XPG Indigo, XPG Sage, Sabrent rocket 4.0 plus, SN850, Galax HOF 4.0 Extreme all at 7000mb/s read, and ~6000mb/s writes

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then there are the rest of them at like 5000mb/s read 4000mb/s write

vital spindle Oct 13, 2020, 11:51 PM

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https://newegg.io/4525f71 is this a good build

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 11:51 PM

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like the Firecuda 520, SP US70, Team C440, Gigabyte Gen 4 Aorus, etc

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@vital spindle use pcpartpicker.com

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:P

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newegg part builder not great yet

vital spindle Oct 13, 2020, 11:52 PM

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okay thank you! 😄

iron vault Oct 13, 2020, 11:53 PM

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so i aquired a new setup with an rgb strip inside but no remote, can i just remove the old one and install a new one?

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 11:53 PM

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@pallid summit oh btw looks like It's just Phison E18/SM2264 instead of Phison E16/SM2267 that causes the speed differences

pallid summit Oct 13, 2020, 11:54 PM

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I wish I knew what that means

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can you direct me to a video explaining it?

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 11:55 PM

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I'm making an assumption while looking at specs

pallid summit Oct 13, 2020, 11:56 PM

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oh is that the threshold?

stoic island Oct 13, 2020, 11:56 PM

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📎 unknown.png

pallid summit Oct 13, 2020, 11:56 PM

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yeah adding more thresholds increases speed but increases mistakes too