building-and-recc-chat

[stoic island]

check for that, and force to boot from USB

then if there isn't, check the boot order in BIOS, and make sure USB is first before everything else

[dense matrix]

@weary bluff. ,i just trouble shot this exact problem

Make sure your c: drive is properly installed and working

[weary bluff]

Yes

All 3 of my drives are good

[dense matrix]

If that is not the issue then
Enter BIOS, go to Security Options and disable Secure Boot. Now save changes and restart your PC.
Enter BIOS again and this time go to Boot section. Disable Fastboot and enable CSM (Compatibility Support Module).
Save changes and restart your PC.

[dense matrix]

It should boot from the usb

[stoic island]

Wait @weary bluff you have USB drive right

[weary bluff]

Do I need to change any of this stuff

[stoic island]

"product key or memorex dvd"
You using usb drive or like dvd reader?

[weary bluff]

^

[dense matrix]

Also make sure in the boot tab of the bios that the proper boot drive is selected

[prisma stag]

mr111 do i have the fan orientations right?

[weary bluff]

And windows dvd inside

It’s like this

[stoic island]

@prisma stag I don't know xD, I'm not good enough to tell fan orientation from a glance :(

[prisma stag]

True haha

how can i tell?

[stoic island]

I always forget if logo is out or in :(

[prisma stag]

what ever i do

just make sure i do opposite?

like one side on way other side opposite?

[stoic island]

time to make rudimentary drawing

[prisma stag]

i.e. one logo into radiator other logo pushing away from radiator

[stoic island]

logo same way so it goes through yaknow

@weary bluff dvd drive installation seems screwy...

[weary bluff]

It now detects these but whenever I click one it just refreshes and shows the screen again and nothing is selected

[stoic island]

@weary bluff click memorex

[weary bluff]

I did

[stoic island]

test

god damn discord was lagging

[weary bluff]

I’ve entered memorex like 5 times

It just sends me hack to the screen

[stoic island]

weird

Can you try doing the installation via an usb stick?

[weary bluff]

My dad is trying to get windows on it

Rn

[stoic island]

Fair nuff

[weary bluff]

How do I use product key? Can I do that instead

I restarted my pc and boot drives still aren’t selecting

[stoic island]

Use an USB stick with the windows media creation tool, and during the installation it'll ask for the product key

[little osprey]

I really need help

I’ve gone to so many servers and no ones responded so far so it would be greatly appreciated if someone would please help me with this

[stoic island]

@little osprey SATA power cable?

the daisy chained cable?
Or the hard drive SATA data cable

[whole stag]

Whats not working your hard drive?

[little osprey]

Yea the chained

So it’s weird

My hard drive is running, I can feel it heat up and that it’s on but when I turn on my pc it goes straight to bios and says there are no drives plugged in

[granite imp]

You checked the connections on the mobo?

[little osprey]

Plus my rgb fans, the rgb is powered by that chord and it should turn on when I press the power button but it doesn’t

And yea I have

These chords were all used before and worked fine

[granite imp]

Do you have a voltmeter?

[little osprey]

I don’t think so

[whole stag]

So the sata cable no longer works?

Sata power

[little osprey]

Idk, the hard drive is still on

[granite imp]

Do you live with your dad, and if so, ask if he has one lol

[little osprey]

I’ll ask him lol

[granite imp]

Well Nevermind actually

Cause I’d the hard drive is getting power, then you don’t need that

I was gunna say use the voltmeter to see if your psu is delivering power at the sata connection

[whole stag]

So your rgb controller isn’t getting power? @little osprey

[granite imp]

But obviously it is if the hard drive gets power

[whole stag]

Or what

[little osprey]

No I don’t think so

It doesn’t turn on the lights so no it isn’t

[whole stag]

Oh

[little osprey]

But yea the hard drive is getting power

My dad is getting his but idk how to use it

[whole stag]

Maybe the fan controller went bad or something

[little osprey]

Voltmeter*

Well still my hard drive and ssd don’t show up in bios

Even though they’re powered

[whole stag]

Oh

Is the sata cable connected to the motherboard not the sata power the cable

[little osprey]

And it was working before I switched cases

Well one of the ones connected to the mobo is brand new

And they were both working before I switched

[granite imp]

Can you send us some pics, of the psu, cables, drives, and mobo connections?

[little osprey]

Yea hold on, my drives are a mess cause the wire management in the back

[whole stag]

Yeah send us a pic of the case and the back of the case with the panel off

[granite imp]

I’ve got that mobo!

Lol

[little osprey]

Lol yea it’s a nice one

[whole stag]

Show below the gpu

[whole stag]

That’s where your sata cables are that go into the motherboard

[little osprey]

Oh yea I have to take out the gpu to reach that

[whole stag]

Maybe they are being interrupted by the gpu

Like moved out of place

[little osprey]

Idk, they weren’t before and none of my parts changed

The only thing I changed was my case

Plus they clipped in

[granite imp]

When you swapped cases, did you unhook everything and swap? Or did you leave the sata plugged into the mobo for the move?

[little osprey]

I unhooked everything

I left like my cpu fan and ram in but took out all the wires

[granite imp]

Did you try plugging the sata cable into the other 3 spots on your psu?

[little osprey]

Yea

[granite imp]

Same thing with all, where your hard drive has power but nothing else happens?

[little osprey]

No, everything else works except for fan rgb

The fans work but don’t light up

The computer boots straight to bios

[granite imp]

And none of the drives show up in bios?

[stoic island]

@rancid jasper I guess you kinda just left us... So here's a list with some general edits, it can be refined to be better, but need more information for that.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/V6ttx6

[granite imp]

Do you have the fan rgb plugged into an rgb header?

[little osprey]

Yea

Also I have the voltmeter now

Just don’t know how to use it

[granite imp]

Turn it to V

[little osprey]

Ok it’s on v

[granite imp]

Stick the red in the positive hole of your psu for the sata cable

[little osprey]

Wait which one

[granite imp]

And the black to ground

[junior crescent]

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/cxJ7rV is this pc good for streaming and gaming for the price

[little osprey]

There’s a v with a flat line and one with a not flat line

@granite imp do you know if we could go into a vc

[granite imp]

Use the c with the solid line and dotted line

V*

That is for dc current

The ~ is for ac

Your psu converts ac to dc

[little osprey]

Ok, so what now

[granite imp]

You may have to look at your manual to see which plugs in the sata plug are positive and negative

Or positive and brown

[little osprey]

I don’t have a manual

[granite imp]

Google is your friend

[little osprey]

For the psu right?

[granite imp]

Yes

[lyric thistle]

Molex is cursed

[granite imp]

So keep the black prong of the voltmeter in one of the two black holes

[little osprey]

I found a online version of it and don’t see it

Oh ok

[granite imp]

Then with the psu on and your computer on, check each of the red, yellow, and orange ones, and mark down the readings. Do that for each of the sata ports on your psu. Write down all the readings and their corresponding color, and report back

[little osprey]

Ok

[granite imp]

Basically your reading should be in the ballpark of what the key shows. 12 volts for yellow, 5 volts for red, etc

You want to make sure to check all 4 of the ports on the psu. So we can compare results and see if there’s irregularities

Did your dad just give you the voltmeter and leave? Didn’t ask any questions? He’s like, well if he electrocutes himself or starts a fire, not my problem.

[lyric thistle]

Lmao

[little osprey]

Yea he said he doesn’t know how to use it with computers

But my sata slots only have 3 slots not 5

Or do I go off the bottom one

[granite imp]

Use the very bottom right

[little osprey]

Ok

[prisma stag]

@stoic island i got it done woot

one problem tho

[little osprey]

I put one in the black and then put it in yellow and it went to 0

[prisma stag]

one set of fans is on cpu fan connector and other set of fans is on sys fan connector

[little osprey]

At least for first sata slot I tested

[granite imp]

And all power is on?

[little osprey]

Yea

[granite imp]

Let’s check that voltmeter first

Looked old lol

[little osprey]

Yea

[granite imp]

Go to an outlet and stick the red in the left prong and the black in the right. Just make sure you’re holding the insulted part of the prong, not the metal skewer part

But switch the V to the squiggle line

Cause your outlet gives out ac current

[little osprey]

It’s fluctuating alot

It went up to 4.5

It went up to 4.5

[granite imp]

Try this

Red in the small slot and black the small circular type slot

See if that reads around 110

[little osprey]

Can you tell me witch ones

[granite imp]

Yes

Well use the bottom left sata port for reference

[little osprey]

The one that’s plugged in?

[granite imp]

So that one is upside down compared to the diagram I shared

No the open one next to it

Sorry bottom right

Lol

Whoops

[little osprey]

Lol

[granite imp]

Black probe goes in the bottom left hole

The plug the red into the bottom right

Make sure to switch the voltmeter back to the V with the straight line

Should read around 12v

[little osprey]

When I put the red into bottom right it goes to 0 volts

[granite imp]

Oof

Try to make sure both the probes are touching the small pieces of metal inside the holes

[little osprey]

Yes they are

When only the black one is in it is at like 12 then i put the other one in and it goes to 0

[granite imp]

And your psu and computer are both powered on?

[little osprey]

Should I try with other parts

Ports*

And yea

[granite imp]

Yes, let’s check the port right above it

[little osprey]

I tried with top left and got 8 volts

[granite imp]

This time black In the top right

And red in the top left

[little osprey]

It went from 30 to 0 and in between a lot

[granite imp]

Hmmm

Not a good sign

When you tried the wall outlet the second time, did it read around 110?

[little osprey]

Can we go into general vc so I can like show you with my camera

Live what it’s doing

I feel like it would make it a lot easier

[granite imp]

If you give me a few minutes

Just got out of the bath and am on mobile 😂😂😂

[little osprey]

Oh lol

[granite imp]

@little osprey I gotta finish getting ready and then get my kids ready for bed. Add me on discord and I’ll message you when I’m finished up and at my pc

[little osprey]

Ok, I just unplugged the sata and tested that port and got 160 volts

Nvm, it got 12 volts now

But it still isn’t working

[whole stag]

Hmmm

[potent prairie]

Turns out I rma'd my psu for no reason

My rig was boot looping b/c my ram got unseated

[whole stag]

Oh

[ripe wedge]

@potent prairie F

[little osprey]

In the very likely case that I need a new psu, what wattage should I get for a rtx 2070 super and r5 2600

I have a 750watt but I feel like that’s overkill

[whole stag]

Whats your current psu

[stoic island]

550 works, 650w if you want overkill for futureproofing

[little osprey]

My current is a cx750m

Alr, I’m trying to not spend a lot cause I’m getting a aio soon so probably gonna go with a 550 watt

[stoic island]

CXm isn't great

CX is good

[whole stag]

Get an RMx psu

[little osprey]

Oh yea, when I bought this I didn’t know a whole lot about psu

[whole stag]

And an Arctic freezer II

[stoic island]

RMx for 550w is kinda

[little osprey]

I’m gonna get the capellix for my aio

[stoic island]

and freezer ii for a 2600 is also overkill

[granite imp]

I have an RM650

[whole stag]

But i mean i guess it will maintain high speeds with very low temps

[granite imp]

I dunno if it’s good or bad

But it works

Lulz

[little osprey]

Lol

But yea I think all the sata slots are dead

On the psu

[granite imp]

F

[rancid jasper]

@stoic island Sorry I was playing something. This list is my current setup except the CPU, Motherboard,GPU,Power Supply, and the case will be replaced eventually. Just want to know if a 850w power supply is ok. https://pcpartpicker.com/list/cqwryk

[stoic island]

I mean, why?

[rancid jasper]

current CPU is a 7700k and want to upgrade

[stoic island]

750w or maybe 650w PSU works fine

[little osprey]

I have not had good luck with the cx750m

[stoic island]

yea CXm often have coil whine issues anyways

[little osprey]

First time I bought it I had to get a new one cause it burned out my sata cable (this was over a year ago) now all the sata ports die out of no where

[rancid jasper]

Seems minimum for just a RTX 3080 is 750 so I would want to go 850 or even 1000 for it

[little osprey]

Definitely not getting cxm again

[stoic island]

@rancid jasper so, what's gonna be the budget for CPU+Mobo+GPU+PSU+Some additions I might want to add :)

[rancid jasper]

Don't have one right now. Looking at suggestions but for CPU+Mobo+PSU would be at least 700

then GPU I will worry about later

[stoic island]

hm alright

[rancid jasper]

as I have a 1080ti for now

[stoic island]

what cooler?

[rancid jasper]

I have Corsair H115i RGB PLATINUM

got it very cheap

which is why I got it

[stoic island]

Could get a decent ram upgrade in there too :)
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/vkLkvW

Intel doesn't care as much about ram freq, but you can still get a good bit of performance going from 2666mhz to 3200mhz

[rancid jasper]

Ok

[stoic island]

Esp since you're gonna get a z motherboard

[prisma stag]

how do i know which slot to put gpu in?

[stoic island]

top one

[prisma stag]

like i want to do the top one but no way is there room

[stoic island]

PCIe_1

wdym?

[junior crescent]

Is this pc good for streaming and gaming https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/cxJ7rV

[prisma stag]

its too high for gpu to fit

[stoic island]

hmm I swear I have a 1500aud list around here somewhere

[prisma stag]

hmm i might have to get some pcle cables and vertically mount this gpu

[stoic island]

Take a picture???

[prisma stag]

yes

[stoic island]

ick @junior crescent I'll make some edits to it, can't find ma list

[junior crescent]

k

[stoic island]

@junior crescent slightly over budget, but quite a bit better.
https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/rD23cq

I'll explain each choice if you want

Main things to notice is 3600mhz cl16 ram instead of the 3200c16 kit in og list, and 2070 super instead of 5600xt because streaming.

[junior crescent]

Thanks mate appreciate it

[pastel abyss]

finally got the mobo replacement ready to go

hope everything goes smooth this time

[night iron]

Good luck with your build.

[tribal bear]

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/WilburMoore/saved/Mw4JMp how is this ?

[queen heath]

I9 9700k or 10600k?

[tribal bear]

i can i buy a part today i just want to make sure its good

[prisma stag]

what are my cooling options for cooling a gpu?

[stoic island]

@tribal bear mobo went out of stock so a 105$ B550m pro4 could work

@prisma stag Stock, aftermarket air, aftermarket aio, custom loop.

[deep skiff]

what about ln2

[stoic island]

Aftermarket air as in something like an arctic accelero

[prisma stag]

that plug into sys fan?

[stoic island]

Aftermarket aio as in something like a kraken + the G12 adapter thing

usually there's fan headers on the gpu pcb

[prisma stag]

o ok

[little leaf]

@tribal bear the link doesnt work for me

[tribal bear]

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/WilburMoore/saved/398Xyc

@stoic island

@little leaf

[little leaf]

Ok first

I wouldn’t spend 200 on a gaming. Chaie

[stoic island]

A good office chair would likely do you more good.

@tribal bear and get Arctic P12 not F12

[little leaf]

Just get a 50 dollar office chair

[stoic island]

60$ mousepad also seems a bit overpriced (?)

[tribal bear]

oh okay

[little leaf]

Spend more on keyboaed less on head set

[stoic island]

and also, what happened to the motherboard and SSD?

[tribal bear]

i just thought the lights looks nice

[stoic island]

A60 isn't great

I'd still get a MP34

and B450 pro vdh max is a no from me

[tribal bear]

i was talking to someone on another server

thy told me the old motherboard was doo doo

[stoic island]

which one?

B550m pro4?

B550 pro vdh wifi is literally an upgraded b450m pro vdh if they were on about that.......

But I'd get a B550m pro4 right now if you don't need wifi

P34a60 has hmb, so it's usable, but I'd still much rather get a MP34 with proper dram cache and faster speeds :P

[tribal bear]

i dont remember

can you change it i dont remember witch one was it

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/WilburMoore/saved/398Xyc

[stoic island]

I'm gonna have to go back to my APUSH homework now baiiiiiiiii
https://www.newegg.com/asrock-b550m-pro4/p/N82E16813157939

I have (some) faith you'll get good help from other people here

[tribal bear]

okay

thank you

[stoic island]

You're welcome.

[lyric thistle]

Have no faith

[prisma stag]

what are these? they are coming from the case but it doesnt have manual and idk

[lyric thistle]

RGB plug, second thing looks like it plugs into the last thing

That's my guess

[prisma stag]

hmm wonder what third thing is

[scarlet spear]

3 rgb tingz and the 3rd one idk

[foggy hazel]

@prisma stag what IS your case model?

[prisma stag]

TD500

[foggy hazel]

which exact model?

you got a EAN code for it?

[prisma stag]

sure one second

4719512095522

Model No: MCB-D500D-KGNN-S01

[foggy hazel]

aye, td500 mesh with controller

[prisma stag]

Yes thats it

[foggy hazel]

https://www.coolermaster.com/catalog/cases/mid-tower/masterbox-td500-mesh-mesh-white/#item1

its not super obvious, but that is the link for the list of manuals

figure 9 and 10 is what you are after :)

[prisma stag]

thank u!

[foggy hazel]

you are very welcome :)

and now that i look closer at it, figure 10, part 1-3

is all you should need for the RGB stuff :)

[prisma stag]

ty naed and one last thing

can i show u pictures of how i rigged this cpu cooler? i set it up for a push pull system but idk if i got fan orientation right

[foggy hazel]

sure

[foggy hazel]

bottom fans are pulling from the side you took the photo

[prisma stag]

the 3 fans are pulling?

[foggy hazel]

aye, pulling air INTO the case

[prisma stag]

ooo so i got this wrong

i need to flip the corsair ones

[foggy hazel]

the top photo, the fans are pulling air FROM the keyboard side

[lyric thistle]

Looks good

[prisma stag]

so its right?

[foggy hazel]

depends on what you want them to do @prisma stag

[prisma stag]

push pull combo

so i can work em at 50%

[foggy hazel]

flip the ones in the top photo then :)

[prisma stag]

awesome

do u suggest push pull?

[foggy hazel]

wait a sec

[lyric thistle]

Naeed

[foggy hazel]

aye

its right as you have it

its the english getting me confused here

silly names for weird things

@lyric thistle yes?

[lyric thistle]

Dw 😆 just getting confused about you getting confused

[foggy hazel]

@prisma stag ignore us rambling here.

What you showed in the pictures was correct

sorry about that :)

[prisma stag]

ok naed thank you

all good

so those are all

pulling air into the system

[foggy hazel]

the 3 fans are pushing air INTO the radiator, and the 2 fans are PULLING air into the case

[prisma stag]

so i should make my rear solo fan blowing air out

[foggy hazel]

yes

[prisma stag]

awesome sry for all the questions

[foggy hazel]

(i so very much dislike the push/pull name)

and dont worry about that :)

[prisma stag]

i just learned trick too

if u spin the fans with finger

helps u know wind direction

[lyric thistle]

The fan frame also has an arrow on it to indicate airflow direction ^^

[prisma stag]

??????????????????????????????????

im so stupid

lol

[pastel abyss]

good news and bad news

I got post

buy this will be the last time I buy MSI

[lyric thistle]

On the outside of the fan duct

[pastel abyss]

I've got no clue wtf I have to feel like an idiot trying to figure out which hdd to boot first

ya think it'd be like idk, BOOT??

then I try to rtfm, and no mention of that

so a big fat get lost from MSI I guess?

[foggy hazel]

@pastel abyss what are you trying to do?

[pastel abyss]

trying to get my mag b550 to boot into a hdd

aka use my computer

I'm livid right now

[foggy hazel]

being livid does not help you

[pastel abyss]

where in the world do I get to tell MSI bios which hdd/ssd to boot into first?

[foggy hazel]

what have you currently got connected to the mainboard?

[pastel abyss]

2 ssds

apart from the ram and gpu and fans and the rest

[lyric thistle]

Try finding the drive port that's labeled 1, unplugging all other drives that you aren't booting from, and power it on again

[foggy hazel]

@pastel abyss you in the bios now?

[pastel abyss]

the pc is off while I'm trying to vent. but yeah basically

[lyric thistle]

If there is confusion between them

[foggy hazel]

and just to verify, its the mag b550 tomahawk right?

[pastel abyss]

MrManiac, that should never be a problem. Yes

I have one 32gb stick in slot 2. waiting for it's sister in slot 4

[lyric thistle]

Ok

[foggy hazel]

on the first screen that greets you in the bios

you have a boot device priority bar

[pastel abyss]

yup

[foggy hazel]

drag icons around for the order you want

[pastel abyss]

I've changed it to only list hdd and cd. network and usb stick I've deleted

"hdd" is first

[foggy hazel]

yes and?

[pastel abyss]

uhm, I'm confused as to what you're confused by

it just loops back to bios on F10

[foggy hazel]

if that isnt working, that would indicate that there is nothing on those drives

[pastel abyss]

I'd like to know where the boot order for the hdds is

is it just locked into the sata order??

[foggy hazel]

press F7 if you want the more detailed list

then under Settings

you have what you want

[pastel abyss]

did that and there was only a way to read the hdds names, then the other option was general boot order

[foggy hazel]

the boot menu in there has the order of boot

when you have the system turned on, send a picture of things

or jump in a video call with one of us

[pastel abyss]

I just get a general "hdd" option

no way can I select to use sata 5 first

or which ever I prefer

this is like 1999 stuff

[spiral zealot]

there's probably a setting somewhere else to set 'UEFI Hard Disk' to a specific drive

that's how some of the bioses out there work, you have to set the generic drive category to a specific drive priority, and then you set the overall boot priority to a list of categories

[pastel abyss]

so just an observation, but why wouldn't it just be Boot Sata port 1 first? like just list the port(s)?

I feel like that would be 1,000x easier/smarter/better

[foggy hazel]

in theory it should

but what you think is port 1 might NOT be port 1

[spiral zealot]

they like to show you the actual drives that are connected, because it's easy to forget which drive is on port 1

[pastel abyss]

yeah but Naed, RTM

😛

Chauntalei I'll have a go poking around for that

[foggy hazel]

then which port do you expect is port 1?

[spiral zealot]

are you in the advanced mode of the BIOS?

[foggy hazel]

because it is NOT logical from the physical location

welcome to Tomahawk "logic"

[prisma stag]

how in the actual crap will the gpu fit in that top pcle slot?? isnt that slot too high up?

[spiral zealot]

nope, you need to remember that typically the slot lines up with the backplace

plate*

[pastel abyss]

turn the heatsync

[foggy hazel]

@prisma stag you have plenty of room

[spiral zealot]

so all that space above the slot is open space for the GPU

[prisma stag]

ok amazing ty

now back to manual reading gotta figure out where my ssd slot is lol

[spiral zealot]

underneath the 2 heatsinks that are above the top PCI slot and belot th ebottom one

below*

[prisma stag]

does which one i use matter?

[spiral zealot]

it does because usually using one of those slots will disable 1-2 sata ports

so check the manual to see if so, and which ones

[prisma stag]

tt

ty

[foggy hazel]

port that is closest to the cpu is the one you want @prisma stag

sorry about that @spiral zealot

[spiral zealot]

sorry about what?

[foggy hazel]

had you @ on the cpu line before

[spiral zealot]

ohh, i didn't even see it before the edit, haha

[foggy hazel]

:)

[pastel abyss]

yeah so there's no option

been digging around and there's no way

I dont know how they hired someone to make this and it's missing options established 3 decades ago

If you can't code a bios, you really shouldn't produce that product

like wth man

having the DOA first, now this... extreme disappoint

[spiral zealot]

did you go into advanced mode in the BIOS? it has a boot sub-menu that might have the settings you need. i couldn't tell from the earlier screenshot if that was basic or advanced

[pastel abyss]

I've dug around basic and advanced. the image is of advanced

[spiral zealot]

ah ok

[pastel abyss]

one thing I tried, was to add a 2nd hard disc to the boot order

but in MSI's brilliance, they knew that couldn't be done so they made my hard disc in boot 1 become a usb hard disc

[spiral zealot]

is the drive you're trying to boot from a fresh drive? or does it have an old windows install?

[pastel abyss]

they have win 10 and win 7 on them

[spiral zealot]

if it is a non-UEFI install, you'll have to find the setting for either CMS+Legacy or whatever MSI calls it, and enable that

otherwise it'll be looking only for drives that have a UEFI installation on them

[pastel abyss]

<_<

[spiral zealot]

er CSM+Legacy

[pastel abyss]

I'll go mess with that then

but doesn't that disable some UEFI stuffs?

[spiral zealot]

If memory serves, it just tells the board to look for non-UEFI devices and support them if it sees any

[foggy hazel]

aye

[spiral zealot]

looking at the manual, it should be in the 'Integrated Peripherals' sub-menu

[queen heath]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/6r23cq

Alright ignore the ssd I need to find a good motherboard for this build.

Under $200.

[pastel abyss]

so I got "windows" to boot

but both win 10 and win 7 bsod

[little leaf]

cooler?

[weary bluff]

Have a 500gb ssd from another system, works fine and is the only one showing up. My other 2tb hard drive and 1tb nvme m.2 aren’t showing up. Anyone know how to help? I already checked to make sure they were connected.

[little osprey]

right click on the black one and format it\

@weary bluff

[rapid adder]

whats a good case to get now adays?

[weary bluff]

This is what happens when I right click it

[pastel abyss]

new simple volume

got win 10 booting! =]

[hazy ridge]

what is the diffrence beetween 3200mhz and 3600mhz on ram

ryzen 5 3600 3.6ghz and the ryzen 5 3600 4.2 ghz

is the ghz making a big diffrence or no?

[pastel abyss]

3600mhz ram can "talk" faster

you always want a CPU's cores to be faster

some people prefer faster cores over having more cores

[hazy ridge]

so your reccomendation on ram is get 3200 or 3600

[pastel abyss]

depends on your mobo/cpu

[hazy ridge]

ryzen 5 3600

[pastel abyss]

if you can't handle the 3600, dont spend more money

if you have the money and the mobo supports it, get it. it's better

[hazy ridge]

my mobo is a MSI B450-A PRO MAX ATX AM4 Motherboard

[pastel abyss]

I just had to use the bios on my MSI B550 to tell it to use the ram at 3600 instead of 2888. so don't forget to do that

[hazy ridge]

oh ya is that when you spam the del button untillyou get on in start up??

[pastel abyss]

yeah

Supports DDR4 4133/ 4000/ 3866/ 3733/ 3466/ 3200/ 3066/ 3000/ 2933/ 2800/ 2667 MHz (by A-XMP OC MODE)

so I'm not seeing 3600 for some weird reason

[hazy ridge]

wait could i do that with my gaming laptop i have rn??

[pastel abyss]

yes and no

[hazy ridge]

wdym

[pastel abyss]

you can't just TELL the mobo to make the ram better

the ram has to be better. the mobo defaults to use it slow

then you tell it to use it at the speed it can be used at

[hazy ridge]

how do i know if my ram is running at full speed right now?

[lyric thistle]

Check tastmgr, or HWINFO

[hazy ridge]

dam my ram is slow af

2000

wtf

this thing is 1k

WTF IT ONLY HAS AN i5 7300HQ AND A GTX 1050

I GOT SCAMMED

BRO

[pastel abyss]

https://www.newegg.com/black-dell-inspiron-15-i5577-5328blk-pus-gaming-entertainment/p/N82E16834861167?item=9SIAEYJ7243955&nm_mc=knc-googleadwords&cm_mmc=knc-googleadwords-_-gaming laptops-_-dell-_-9SIAEYJ7243955&source=region

idk how people go for 8gb of ram

I have 3 tabs open on the internet at it's already at 1gb

[hazy ridge]

lmao

[lyric thistle]

Don't need 3600 for an Intel laptop lol

[hazy ridge]

no im getting a whole new pc

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/vCDwTC

canada dollars

[lyric thistle]

The computer you are using is a laptop lol

[pastel abyss]

please

for the love of god

[hazy ridge]

oh ya

[pastel abyss]

buy 1x16gb at least

[hazy ridge]

me?

[pastel abyss]

why are you going to max out at 32gb on a 128gb mobo?

[hazy ridge]

???

[vocal hare]

@pastel abyss why would they really need more though

[hazy ridge]

wdym

[pastel abyss]

oh it maxes at 64gb my bad

[hazy ridge]

idk who yall talking to

[pastel abyss]

buy 1x16gb instead of 2x8

you

[vocal hare]

no

wtf

[hazy ridge]

no

why

[vocal hare]

what the heck is that advice

[hazy ridge]

dual channel is better

[vocal hare]

much much better

[pastel abyss]

because you'll only half your pc

[hazy ridge]

even i know that

what???

[pastel abyss]

you will max at 32gb

[vocal hare]

@pastel abyss what?

ok

so?

[pastel abyss]

4x8=32

[lyric thistle]

Solution

[hazy ridge]

16 gigs is enough for gaming haha

[vocal hare]

unless they really need more than 32 gb

[lyric thistle]

Get 1x4, 1x8, 1x16, 1x32

[vocal hare]

which i doubt

[pastel abyss]

32gb stick wouldn't be supported 😛

and 12!=16

[vocal hare]

still why in the world would you recommend a single stick over 2

[pastel abyss]

you guys act like you'll never get money ever again

[vocal hare]

no casual user is gonna need 64 gb

[hazy ridge]

cause i wont in like 2 years @pastel abyss

[vocal hare]

32 is already pretty damn overkill for a gaming machine

[hazy ridge]

^^^

[pastel abyss]

then why are you buying a pc if you're not going to have money for 2y?

[vocal hare]

and they're just gonna be on 16

[pastel abyss]

buy canned food ya fool

[hazy ridge]

cause im saving i really want a pc

i saved for 3 years

[vocal hare]

@hazy ridge you a minor?

[hazy ridge]

ya

[vocal hare]

ah

[hazy ridge]

11

[vocal hare]

ok

wtf

[hazy ridge]

haha

[pastel abyss]

then ask for a 16gb stick from Santa

you got 3mo

[hazy ridge]

i dont belive in santa lmao

my parents are santa

[still roost]

Yragknad#4289 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[vocal hare]

oof

[hazy ridge]

lmao

[vocal hare]

didn't know that word was banned

[hazy ridge]

what was it

[pastel abyss]

lol

maracuus is trolling lol

[hazy ridge]

how ?

[pastel abyss]

say it again Yragknad

keep saying it til you're banned

[hazy ridge]

no dont lmfao

[vocal hare]

@pastel abyss ?

i didn't know such a meh word wasn't allowed

i'll use more baby terms for you

[hazy ridge]

ok

[pastel abyss]

was showing maracuus how he was accidentally trying to get you in trouble 😛

[hazy ridge]

oh did i do that

lmao sry

[vocal hare]

?

i'm not an idiot

you have to spam stuff like that pretty hard for a ban

[pastel abyss]

maracuus, my advice would be to get the 1x16, it'll be a fresh experience for you. and when you get the 2nd 16gb stick everyone else will let out a sigh of relief

[lyric thistle]

2x8 kit in the board, and even if you don't want to replace it for an upgrade you can still go up to 48GB

[vocal hare]

i just don't like you giving bad advice and acting like that

huh

[pastel abyss]

your machine wont operate at a snails pace

[lyric thistle]

It's not an issue, you can still get way more than you need

[vocal hare]

is that one text red for you all as well?

[pastel abyss]

I don't have a red text, no.

[vocal hare]

@pastel abyss you act like the average user will need more than 16 let alone 32

[pastel abyss]

MrManiac, the guy can't afford 2x16 at one time

and you act like UE5 will never come out

petenub is busy boi

[lyric thistle]

Red text means it couldn't send

[vocal hare]

its good to keep your upgrade path open but 32 gb is really not needed

especially since consoles will be on a shared 16 gb with their gpu

[lyric thistle]

I wonder how much any given console uses @idle (home screen or whatever)

[vocal hare]

probably a gb at least

[lyric thistle]

I'll never know, won't stop me from wondering

[pastel abyss]

you can tell with FreeStyleDash

[lyric thistle]

Quite a few of them have side memory for OS purposes, and maybe a side processor for that too

[vocal hare]

not sure

[pastel abyss]

Aurora is even better

[vocal hare]

spec just said its shared between the gpu and the rest of the system

[pastel abyss]

MrManiac, the pop up menus are much smaller

[vocal hare]

and people still freaking over 10gb of ram

[pastel abyss]

I think we had 64mb

[vocal hare]

like they'll need those 20 gb

[pastel abyss]

for the 360*

the xbox 360 watched what we did with the xbox

then the xbox 1 watched what we did with the 360

[lyric thistle]

Hm?

[pastel abyss]

it's really a shame they don't let us mod the consoles

[lyric thistle]

Anyway most Windows installations use maybe 2GB idle

[vocal hare]

I mean it was understandable before

parts in consoles weren't as similar to regular pc parts like they are now

also a company has to set a line somewhere for voiding warranty

[pastel abyss]

man

FSD 2.0 is over 10yo

makes me feel old >_<

[junior crescent]

Would this pc be able to stream, game, edit and do some UE4 work https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/LcKZBZ

[desert gulch]

I would reccomend getting stronger gpu

[junior crescent]

what would you recommend

[desert gulch]

Id say wait

For like 3070

If you can

But i would definitely reccomend nvidia gpu to stream and edit

Since nvidia ones have video encoders

[languid nimbus]

3070 would be a good choice, if you can get it

[desert gulch]

Amd will have encoders in big navi

So amd could be a viable option soon

[junior crescent]

I'll probs wait for the 3070

[languid nimbus]

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1592644-REG/cyberpowerpc_prodv2202bhv2_content_creation_gaming_desktop.html

For around the same price, here’s a prebuilt

Granted everyone says not to get prebuilt but I feel like this one has some solid aspects

3080, 10850k, 2tb ssd

[desert gulch]

Not bad

[languid nimbus]

Nvme ssd at that

[desert gulch]

Little expensive

But Idk

Its intel so gotta be expensive ig

[languid nimbus]

I paid right around that, maybe a little more, for my build

9900k, 2080s

Bought it in august, rip

[desert gulch]

Rip

How much was 2080s?

[languid nimbus]

Luckily returned the 2080s but can’t get the 3080 now lmao

Was like $750

[desert gulch]

Oof

Yeah good returning it

[languid nimbus]

Returned it but had to pay $100 restock fee

Which still was worth

[desert gulch]

Yikes

Bought from wegg?

[languid nimbus]

Ye

Was a really solid card

I enjoyed it

Probably should’ve just kept it in hindsight, but I got caught up in hype

Now I’m trying to justify spending the $700-800 again for another gpu

[desert gulch]

Lol

[languid nimbus]

I’ve got an old 1060 I’m using, and it’s fine really, but it’s most definitely outdated by this point

[desert gulch]

Ewww 1060

[languid nimbus]

Running games on medium or so

ye, had it for like 3/4 years? However long it’s been out

Nvidia hasn’t restocked their 3080s on their site in a hot minute

[cunning knoll]

I just finished building my pc and when I tried to download GeForce experience it says nvidia installer cannot continue and nvdia GeForce experience requires an nvidia gpu. Doesn’t show up in device manager either

[desert gulch]

Well do you have a nvidia gpu?

[cunning knoll]

yeah

[desert gulch]

What gpu?

[cunning knoll]

Gigabyte Radeon RX 5700 XT 8 GB GAMING OC Video Card

[desert gulch]

Thats not a nvidia gpu

[frosty crystal]

Yikes

[desert gulch]

@cunning knoll download this- https://www.amd.com/en/technologies/radeon-software

[cunning knoll]

oops lmao

[desert gulch]

lol

yeah download that and itll get you the right drivers

[cunning knoll]

will it fix the gpu not showing up in device manager

[desert gulch]

Should

You drivers are most likely pretty far outta date

Make sure to update windows too

[cunning knoll]

k

thanks

do you know how to fix my internal hard drive not showing up?

[desert gulch]

Yes

You need to format it

Look up how to format a hard drive on YouTube

And follow a tutorial

[cunning knoll]

cool thanks

[desert gulch]

Np

[junior crescent]

lately i have been modifying some lists but would this be good enough to be able to stream and game https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/cgKBgJ

[stoic island]

Yes, but there are still changes to be made :D

[languid nimbus]

I think 650w was recommended for 3070

psu, I mean

[weary bluff]

Have a 500gb ssd from another system, works fine and is the only one showing up. My other 2tb hard drive and 1tb nvme m.2 aren’t showing up. Anyone know how to help? I already checked to make sure they were connected.

[weary bluff]

Disk management shows my 1tb m.2 but when I right-click, everything is greyed out

[stoic island]

Greyed out is normal if you haven't initialised it

Oh wait

Click on it, and there might be options at the top iirc @weary bluff

[stoic island]

No like left click on the black unallocated part at the bottom

Like the black bar

[weary bluff]

Left clicking does nothing

[stoic island]

Left click then right click

[weary bluff]

If I right click it says this

Oh I didn’t know I could make drive off of that

Just clicked simple drive and now I have it

[stoic island]

yea

@weary bluff it work now?

[weary bluff]

Yep

Now I’m trying to connect my hard drive but it doesn’t show up as a boot device

I’m gonna check connection one more time

[stoic island]

nice

[weary bluff]

So everything is connected but it’s still not showing up

[analog hearth]

@arctic drum I dislike NZXT builds, but that’s actually super gorgeous nonetheless

[weary bluff]

The was, (atleast I think), the m.2 was cancelling the hdd in sata 1 so I switched it to sata port 3 and now everything works!

[warm badge]

I'm having a classic issue

can someone help?

[stoic island]

Nice

@weary bluff yea sometimes M.2_1 shares bandwidth with SATA_1/SATA_2 or SATA_5/SATA_6

@warm badge hm?

[warm badge]

I'm trying to deal with the issue of everything powering on, but Im getting no signal to my monitor

[stoic island]

Yay that one

Checked all power cables?

[warm badge]

yes

[stoic island]

Any debug LEDs?

[warm badge]

there's only one I'm thinking might be an issue

[whole stag]

Whats it for

[warm badge]

there is CPU_Power 1 and CPU Power_2

[stoic island]

99% of the time, the extra 4 pin is optional.

[warm badge]

CPU Power_2 is a 4 pronged plug

ok

[whole stag]

Yeah maybe unplug the 4 pin

[warm badge]

then yes everything is as it should be

I dont have the 4 pin

[stoic island]

it's fine

One kind of debug LEDs:

[warm badge]

I'm not getting any beeps

[stoic island]

beeps are usually only if CPU is overheating

[whole stag]

Check all the cpu pins?

[warm badge]

there is a red led on

[stoic island]

Yes, what does it say next to it?

[warm badge]

let me check

[stoic island]

Debug LEDs can make things a lot easier

[warm badge]

DRAM

is the one that is on

does that mean my ram is not installed properly?

I also have two sticks of ram installed

should I only use 1?

[whole stag]

Maybe

[warm badge]

or possibly bad ram or dead DIMM slots

ugh

[whole stag]

Do you have another system?

Or another motherboard

[warm badge]

it just came on

I guess the ram wasn't seated properly

[whole stag]

Yeah

[somber pendant]

I was wondering if anyone could recomend a decent mid or full tower case with at least 3-4 5.25" external drive bays if 3 I'll need a 3.5" external as well, these seem to be a dieing breed and the ones I've seen seem to be a bit flimsy

[balmy girder]

Should I invest in some cable extensions?

[viral ore]

cable extensions arent something you invest in

theyre something you burn your money on

so totally up to you

[wide estuary]

Hey I’m new to pc gaming but want to build my own pc. I have a budget on around 1500 CAD and have picked out what I think is perfect for my budget can anyone help me and check if I’m choosing the right parts for me. My dm are open and will be greatly appreciated

[summer pasture]

I dont know if this is the right section but I've had a bit of a problem trying to download the origin game launcher. Whenever I try to download the launcher it says Im missing vcruntime and some other code. Anyone know whats going on.

[languid adder]

https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B00453R90W
https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B07DTMXD83
https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B081KY5L57

Are these good prices

[novel wren]

im looking to upgrade grahics card i have a gtx 1650 super. i was thinking rtx 2060,(cpu is ryzen5 3600) anyone have any ideas

[stoic island]

@wide estuary send the ca.pcpartpicker.com list then please

@novel wren it's not a huge step up, so I would personally either save up a bit more for a better GPU, or look around for a used 2070 or something at around 300$

[novel wren]

@novel wren it's not a huge step up, so I would personally either save up a bit more for a better GPU, or look around for a used 2070 or something at around 300$
@stoic island thanks

[wide estuary]

@stoic island https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/rpNPmg

[stoic island]

Gotta warn you, use ca.pcpartpicker.com for accurate CAD pricing.

[wide estuary]

I’ve been recommended this build too

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/Lrwzn7

Okay I’ll change it thank you

[stoic island]

I'm eating rn I can get with you soon

The components in that build are good, but the focus should be heavier on a better GPU from first glance.

[wide estuary]

On the top one or the bottom?

[little osprey]

For the a320m s2h does it work with Apevia CAPTAIN520 ATX Power Supply

[stoic island]

bottom one

that was directed at the bottom one, because top one had overpriced comps that doesn't make sense

@wide estuary alright, lets get some stuff out of the way first, 1500cad, no wifi needed?

[wide estuary]

@stoic island if WiFi is possible too that’ll be great

[stoic island]

Why's that? Ethernet is better for connection, so I put Wifi in usually on a need-to-do basis of like "Router is on other side of house, installing ethernet is going to be extremely annoying and/or expensive"

If it is hard to get from computer to router, I'll slap it in. I don't see Wifi as an "extra", but a feature some need, some don't need.

[wide estuary]

So right now I’m in an apartment that’s connected to the house next door we’re trying to get our own connection sorted. That’s why if possible cause right now I can’t get a cable connected

[stoic island]

Alright

Do you care about looks?

[wide estuary]

I like white so anything white 😂

If it looks cool great

[stoic island]

you fine with this case?
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/vDhmP6/cooler-master-masterbox-mb311l-argb-microatx-mid-tower-case-mcb-b311l-kgnn-s02

saves ya 60 cad or so

[wide estuary]

Rather have white

[stoic island]

4000d airflow it is then

[wide estuary]

😂 aslong as it’s white 😂

Yeah that’s nice

[stoic island]

@wide estuary revision 1:
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/D8LPmg

So, next question, are you willing to mess with the used market?

[whole stag]

Don’t you think thats a little much for 650W? I know this is CAD But still

[wide estuary]

As I don’t know a lot about parts ect I’m not sure

[stoic island]

it's the cheapest good 650w psu that's on my list

[whole stag]

Oh

RMx goes for $144 but maybe not in CAD

[stoic island]

I just take a look at this usually
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/user/Mr1111/saved/ry3RvK

since that auto sorts and lists the cheapest one for moi

hm

used 2070s isn't cheap in Canada anyways

not really a great option then

hmmmm

damn it why doesn't Nvidia have a Canada page :(

[night storm]

https://tenor.com/view/racist-thats-racist-dats-racist-gif-5036293

I like white so anything white 😂
@wide estuary

[wide estuary]

😂😂😂

@stoic island like I’ve said before I know nothing really about it all as I’m new to it. So I’m taking your word lol

[robust plover]

What is a good cpu and gpu pair for like $550

[stoic island]

@wide estuary I'll try to help explain everything then

Main point is GPU contributes the most to your FPS, and then CPU&Ram.

Motherboard performance wise therefore doesn't really matter as long as it works for CPU and RAM. The rest, like amount usb slots and such, are just nice-to-have.

[wide estuary]

So the one you sent is that like bear for money or you’re personal preference

[stoic island]

For Ryzen Zen 2, the CPUs like higher freq memory, and the sweet spot is 3600mhz cl16

I'm just gonna go through my thought process and why each thing was picked

@wide estuary in my opinion, that list I sent is the best performance for the money with some upgradability and some nice-to-haves

[wide estuary]

So would your build be capable of playing any game no problem asked

[stoic island]

You can look up on YouTube "RTX 2070 (insert game name) benchmark" to get an idea of how the GPU does in certain games

@wide estuary I actually have a RTX 2070 non-super so I can give you some approx numbers if you want

[wide estuary]

So the main games I’ll play is most shooters ie cod siege. Ark survival and wow

[stoic island]

Modern warfare I can get 144 fairly easily with Rtx off and high settings

Siege I can get 240 avg with my custom settings of high texture quality low everything else rendered at 1080p

Ark was unoptimised and I was getting about 80fps high iirc, I didn't really like it so didn't play too much to get a good feel for it.

WoW should be fairly easy to run

[wide estuary]

So you think it’ll be good?

[stoic island]

That's been my experience so far with my 2070 and I'm pretty happy.

[wide estuary]

So what the difference with the ssd you pick and you Corsair vengeance?

[stoic island]

You mean ram?

Ram wise, mainly 3600mhs cl16 instead of 3200mhz cl16 on the Corsair Vengeance kit

[wide estuary]

So just a better one to have

[stoic island]

Yes

Better performance

[austere wren]

I am going to be gpu less for a day

F

[polar prism]

But you got one

[austere wren]

1 more day

[night storm]

Congrats 🎊

[austere wren]

I bought it 6 days ago

[polar prism]

I just want a shot at one lol

[night storm]

Not sure if your complaining catt lol

[austere wren]

I'm on the east coast

They ship from CALI

I cri

and I wasn't gonna risk changing the shipping time

so I just went with ground

[shell wind]

how much is the new gforce graphics card

[night storm]

Depends on which one

[austere wren]

Mine was

[night storm]

And from where

[austere wren]

but when you add how much I made from my 2070S

It ends up being

367

I paid

I got 440 for my gpu that I ship out today

[shell wind]

the new onme

one

3780?

[austere wren]

No my old gpu a 2070S

Sold for 440

[vocal hare]

Damn I am hella worried I over tightened

It's my first time with such a beefy cooler

[austere wren]

leme see

[night storm]

You used a calibrated snap-on torque wrench?

[vocal hare]

Guys

Severely underestimated cooler girth

[cursive wharf]

If it fits... It fits

[deep skiff]

clearly u need a lil fan between them

[stoic island]

@vocal hare nothing wrong with it lol

[lyric thistle]

Cooler cooler cooler cooler

[wide estuary]

@stoic island how does this look

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/mmdHf9

[little leaf]

Bad

But cant fix it now

[small osprey]

Get the rmx psu

[whole stag]

Yes

[small osprey]

There r cheaper motherboards with wifi

[whole stag]

Yeah don’t get X570

[small osprey]

There r cheaper ram with same speed

And the 2070s is overpriced

The case is kinda bad but doesnt matter too much

[stoic island]

@wide estuary look at pricing

That's gonna put you like 150$ over budget once case price is in

:p

[small osprey]

Get cheaper stuff in general

Get a b550 motherboard

There r g skill ram for 75 with same speed

Etc etc

[wide estuary]

@stoic island the motherboard was flagging a warning cause of the USB port

[polar prism]

The Corsair case is good

[stoic island]

@wide estuary there's a 95% chance it doesn't apply to you

Do you need to plug any usb-c into front io?

If no, it doesn't apply to you.

[wide estuary]

I have no idea do I 😂

[polar prism]

The Corsair case has a front usb-c

[stoic island]

I'm doing stuff rn but simplest thing is to just go back to the list I sent you earlier

[wide estuary]

It was the same on that list

[stoic island]

Yes

But I'm talking about motherboard

And other stuff

A 270$ cad mobo isn't exactly what you need

[solar thicket]

yikes thats a steep mobo for a 3600x

[small osprey]

Unnecessarily expensive

[solar thicket]

i have a b450 steel legend for my 3600, note i got it before b550 was out

[wide estuary]

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/D8LPmg or this https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/RdJyb8

[polar prism]

B550 is fine for even the 3700x

[small osprey]

The first one is fine but get the corsair rmx psu

[solar thicket]

okay, but is a 1 tb nvme drive necessary? maybe a 500gb nvme then a 1 tb sata ssd or hdd?

maybe a 2 tb game library seagate drive?

[wide estuary]

I’m new to all this 💀

[polar prism]

Eh if you don’t want to have to upgrade or add extra cables 1tb nvme is fine

HDs are slow compared to even a sata ssd

[solar thicket]

thats true. in my system, I have a 256gb nvme drive, then a 500 gb ssd i bought without thinking about it.

[polar prism]

Sry my phone freaked out

[wide estuary]

So which link is the best build first one or second what do I change if needed

[hallow orbit]

Pc pleb here: do I need an anti static mat or is the wrist wrap enough?

[polar prism]

I would recommend the 1tb nvme. It’s about the same amount of money as other ssds and you can always add more

[stoic island]

@wide estuary case went out of stock

And you had a 1500$ cad upper limit I thought?

[wide estuary]

Yeah it was just the case give this warning

[stoic island]

@hallow orbit nope, it's only extra precautions for those who are worried, just touch your case before you start

[stoic island]

@wide estuary no I mean the pricing isn't considered for the final pricing

Because it went out of stock

See where it says "price unavailable" next to the case?

[wide estuary]

Yeah I understand it doesn’t include the case price

[hallow orbit]

@stoic island cool, thanks man

[stoic island]

Sooo do you have a 1500cad budget or no

If you have higher, I'd get the first list with a 2070s slapped in

[lean rapids]

anyone know a good 1000$ build?

[wide estuary]

I’d like to keep it down as much as possible tbf

Idk bro ngl all this is so confusing lol

[stoic island]

I'll make changes later when I finish eating lol

Can you tell me why you made the changes you made?