building-and-recc-chat

[foggy hazel]

hm

did you pick those parts yourself, or did you borrow the list from somewhere?

[little osprey]

I picked them myself

[foggy hazel]

i personally dont care if you borrowed it somewhere.

[little osprey]

I didn't, I swear

[foggy hazel]

I am asking because i am trying to understand the reasoning behind it

[little osprey]

I just chose the parts to fit the budget, i dunno

[foggy hazel]

and also trying to understand/grasp what you actually know and dont know about.

[little osprey]

I feel you,

[foggy hazel]

lets talk about your storage

is there any reason for the ssd + ssd + hdd combo?

[little osprey]

I thought it was a lot of storage, I dunno

[foggy hazel]

noted.

what are you currently using?

[limpid snow]

My parts for my 3080 build are starting to arrive

[little osprey]

I'm using a 700$ laptop

[foggy hazel]

how much storage in it?

[little osprey]

500gb

[foggy hazel]

hm

next question: Any specific reason for the intel choice?

[little osprey]

I prefer intel over ryzen and aMD

[small kraken]

nice of you to help him out.. its time to build

[foggy hazel]

@little osprey based on?

[little osprey]

wdym?

[foggy hazel]

elaborate/explain why you prefer intel please.

[plush mist]

intel

[foggy hazel]

@plush mist do keep the peanut comments to #general-chat .

[plush mist]

intel

[little osprey]

Well, I believe intel processors are faster.

[small kraken]

ive never used ryzn.. why is it better? price point? or the new tech thats coming?

[foggy hazel]

@little osprey based on ?

[little osprey]

I dunno man jeeeeeeez

[foggy hazel]

so, just hearsay?

again @little osprey i am trying to understand the logic behind that list

[little osprey]

Alright to make it easier for you, there is no logic behind the list.

I made the list looking at prices and assuming it would be the best option.

I don't have much experience in this which is why I am leaning towards a prebuilt.

[foggy hazel]

fair talk

and that tells me what i need to know

[little osprey]

Good.

[small kraken]

most ppl just smash a list together on part picker.. the only thing i worry about is if the parts are compatible and are worth the price

[foggy hazel]

now, for the Core vs Ryzen debate: there is generally a better value in the Ryzen side of things.

However, you can get a benchmark to show a slight, very slight edge in game FPS with a Core.

[little osprey]

I see.

[foggy hazel]

also.

You have at least another generation of CPU in the mainboard you would use on the Ryzen side of things.

[limpid snow]

I just bought a 10700K for my next rig, only because it’s gonna be 100% for gaming. If I was going to do productivity stuff I would have gone Ryzen.

[little osprey]

I am only using this PC for gaming and streaming.

[foggy hazel]

also, the Ryzen side of things currently top out at 16cores/32 threads on the consumer side of things.

again, i can only offer up the details, you are the one that decides what you want @little osprey

[little osprey]

true.

[foggy hazel]

i personally dont care one bit if you want a pink rainbow laptop that shoots confetti every time you press a key

if that is what you want, that is what you want.

[little osprey]

lmao I feel you, and i appreciate it

[small kraken]

my new build will have minimal rbg

[little osprey]

I want a fast gaming PC that can stream and game at the same time for 3K.

[foggy hazel]

i would suggest that we make 2 lists, one Intel, one AMD

and then we can weigh the pro/cons at that time.

[little osprey]

Okay.

Now, this right here is a prebuilt, it comes with a $300 off discount and idk if its good https://www.digitalstorm.com/configurator.asp?id=3373159

[little leaf]

no

Pretty sure thats a pretty big scam

[foggy hazel]

technically, its a machine

technically, there is also a LOT of random bs in that list of components

[little osprey]

Well this is the only website ive found that lets you put in a preorder for the new graphics card...

check out the website and tell me if its really all that bad

[foggy hazel]

i just did

[little leaf]

Why do they say a 3090 is 1700

[foggy hazel]

they dont

they talk about a next-gen 10gig card

[little leaf]

nono

[foggy hazel]

only one that can be is 3080

[little leaf]

if you change the option

to a 3090

it gots up 1.14k

[foggy hazel]

ah, i have not looked at that, because it is not relevant :)

[little leaf]

I'm just looking at it because you can fit in a 3090 in a build it yourself

[little osprey]

I am just stressed out rn

I won't be up at 6 in the morning to buy a 2080

3080*

[foggy hazel]

give me a couple more minutes, and i will have the first list for you

[small kraken]

you mean lined up at the store

[little osprey]

I wish I got a PC earlier in life so I wouldn't have to deal with this video card craze

I might settle for a 20 series

idk at this point

[little leaf]

so your gonna pay 1200 for a 2080ti

when a 3070 is 500

and 3080 700

both better than 2080ti

[little osprey]

well im probably not gonna get a 30 series for months

[little leaf]

just wake up early

[little osprey]

I'm not going to a store either

[foggy hazel]

how about everyone takes a deep breath, and relax a bit.

[little osprey]

I am stressed

[foggy hazel]

you are all making it way more complicated than it has to be

[small kraken]

Legit question.. is there any compatibility issues when using an intel pc to work on a ryzen pc or visvresa..? issues with the pcs working with eachother? or its all just runs on windows so no prob?

[foggy hazel]

@small kraken both products are x86 products.

[small kraken]

used 20 series should flood the used market.. could pick one up for cheap

[foggy hazel]

so windows is compatible with both

[small kraken]

yea thank you

[spiral zealot]

used 20 series are already cheap because people are panic selling

[small kraken]

yea cus that 499 price point for a much better card.. ouch

[little osprey]

I don't even know

[rich void]

More like better/comparable card for much less money, yes please

[plush wigeon]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/cthBNq I have a list for peripherals.

[foggy hazel]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8yCQFG <- @little osprey that is a starting point for the Intel 3090 build

[small kraken]

youll get theere @little osprey im stoked to build.. ive been using Geforce now on the laptop for the heavy graphic games. excited to drop 5k 👀

[foggy hazel]

@little osprey i would like you to compare that price and those parts, with what was listed on the Digital Storm site you linked earlier :)

[little osprey]

Dude the list you made is awesome and its perfect but..... if I don't get the 3090 it's a massive fail..

The uncertainty is stressing me out

[foggy hazel]

Nothing you can do about that

get a hobby or read some books.

Basically, go and occupy your brain with "something"

because you can run on the walls all you want. That wont change things in regards to the 30xx cards

[spiral zealot]

i honestly think the 3090 will be the easiest to get, the vast majority of people are probably going to get a 3070/3080 just because the price/performance is so competitive there

not to say it's a guarantee, but i think it will be easier compared to the 70/80

[little osprey]

Do you think ill be able to get the 3090 if I order it from the website the same day it comes out, and if I do, how long am I going to be waiting to get it...?

[foggy hazel]

we dont know @little osprey

[plush wigeon]

tbh, I'm wanting to wait until AMD reveals their new stuff

[foggy hazel]

@plush wigeon that peripherals list, who is that for?

[little osprey]

What do you think about this rig https://www.cyberpowerpc.com/system/Hyper-Liquid-Pro @foggy hazel

[spiral zealot]

yeah, i'm waiting for the RDNA2 announcement

and then subsequent benchmarks

for both sides

[plush wigeon]

@foggy hazel me

[rich void]

That cyberpower seems pretty underwhelming for 3k imo

[foggy hazel]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/nL8cdm <- @little osprey look at that list

please tell me the price you are seeing on that list.

[wet prairie]

hey guys i need a bit of help, i just installed my ryzen 7 3700x and idk where to plug in the rgb header

[foggy hazel]

and then compare that to the Cyberpowerpc you linked above

[little osprey]

😩

[foggy hazel]

@wet prairie check your manual.

[wet prairie]

idkbwhere it is

[foggy hazel]

@wet prairie google your mainboard model number, and download the manual.

[wet prairie]

i just wanna know if i have one or not

[foggy hazel]

you are the one that knows the details to that question.

[little osprey]

Naed, in you're opinion, what do you think I should do. My grandma is buying this for me. I wanted to do a prebuilt to make it simple for her and I. In you're opinion, what should I do.

[foggy hazel]

go and play cards with your grandma, and enjoy your life while the rest of us wait for reviews on the 3070/80/90 cards

because right now, it is just silly season

the moment we have reviews. It is trivial work to make a list for you

[wet prairie]

is it a led_cpu? @foggy hazel

[foggy hazel]

@wet prairie read your manual, it is all in there.

[wet prairie]

i did

[foggy hazel]

but i would strongly suggest that you buy the parts and then assemble it yourself.

[wet prairie]

i’m just checking if that is the right one that’s the only one o have

[foggy hazel]

the value is STRONGLY in favour of you doing it that way around.

because as you can see from the 2 prebuilts you grabbed. .... the price is ... silly

[little osprey]

Naed, she is getting it for me for my birthday. I have always wanted to start streaming. At this current moment, if I was to do anything right now, what should it be? (In reference to the PC)

[foggy hazel]

when is your birthday?

[little osprey]

It was yesterday.

[foggy hazel]

personally i would wait.

[little osprey]

wait for what.

[foggy hazel]

the reviews as i mentioned above.

[little osprey]

That's months.

[foggy hazel]

no

the reviews of the cards are coming in the next week

[little osprey]

It won't be delivered to the people that get it for atleast 3 weeks id assume.

[foggy hazel]

and launch/availability of cards is the 17th for the 3080

[little osprey]

I mean, everyone else has had an amazing PC with 20 series cards, so why can't I?

[foggy hazel]

and the 24th (or so) for the 3090

because their machines got built a long time ago

but sure, if you want to pay yesterdays price, for yesterdays performance.

i cannot stop you

[little osprey]

But is it really that bad?

[foggy hazel]

i will however tell you that i think you are being a bit silly.

again, we dont know how "bad" it might be

but we do know that the new cards will be faster

we dont know how much

[small kraken]

its ture .. id wait too .. i bought in a transition period and regretted it few months later..

[foggy hazel]

but the pricing makes them quite compelling.

and yes @little osprey it is a royal pain in the behind for you, because you are in the specific situation you are in.

[little osprey]

well then, what I think I should do is just get a prebuilt PC that can guarentee that ill get the new graphics card...... i just don't know..

[rich void]

When do reviews drop usually? The week before launch?

[foggy hazel]

but i would be a massive jerk if i did NOT say what i did above

[spiral zealot]

I am almost positive that we will see reviews on or before the launch dates for each respective card.

[little osprey]

this is becoming more stressful than I anticipated... i may give it up

[foggy hazel]

as i said @rich void nda lifts on the 14th for the 3080

[rich void]

Missed that, thanks Naed

[foggy hazel]

we dont know if the 3090 is included in that, but there is a good chance it is.

[spiral zealot]

Whoever nvidia sends cards to, they overnight or 2/3 day ship them. They'll have the cards in time to do full reviews by the NDA date.

[small kraken]

patience my friend

[foggy hazel]

@little osprey again, i cannot make your choices for you. All i can offer is information

[little osprey]

I think i'll order my stuff my digital storm.. i don't know what else to do.

[foggy hazel]

wait

because you are getting half the machine for double the price

but as i said, it is your choice @little osprey

[spiral zealot]

Just tell your grandma that you want to wait a week or so because something new just came out and if possible, you want to get that new thing, but you want to make an educated decision before committing to spending that much money.

You'll sound smart and responsible.

If the reviews come out and the 3000 series isn't up to the hype, or they sell out instantly, build a system with a used $500 2080ti and still have a solid machine while saving your grandma a bunch of money. Then you're smart and fiscally responsible.

[foggy hazel]

who are you and what have you done with the usual @spiral zealot ?

[spiral zealot]

I'm all about telling other people to make smart decisions with their money. I just make questionable build choices for myself.

[foggy hazel]

carry on then

[little osprey]

@little osprey PCIe 4.0 speeds are just not noticeable in most applications
@stoic island ok

[stoic island]

@foggy hazel sorry for any confusion the guy might've caused for you, I told them it'll take 1-2 months or more for prebuilt companies to get the cards in stock, and even longer to ship.

[foggy hazel]

@stoic island nothing to worry about

[stoic island]

Anyways I'm back now

Kinda gave them a bit of conflicting information

[foggy hazel]

the boutique vendors like CyberPower etc, might/might-not have cards at launch. We simply dont know yet.

[wet prairie]

ok guys i just installed my r7 3700x and i turned it on, all my fans were off, it took 1 minute to boot my cpu fan was turning off and on my primary monitor wasn’t turning on and my second monitors resolution was awful. and it didn’t boot me to bios

please don’t tel me i have to take it out and update bios

[little leaf]

what botherboard?

[wet prairie]

ds3h b450

[little leaf]

what chip did you have in it before?

[stoic island]

Did you have anything in it before

[wet prairie]

r52600

[little leaf]

probably needs new bios

[stoic island]

Yea you gotta update your bios then

[little leaf]

did you get the board before or after 3000

[wet prairie]

can i do that with the current cpu?

before

[stoic island]

Gotta do it with 2600 installed

[little leaf]

ok ye bios

[wet prairie]

mooo

how do i take this out then

it’s so hard

[foggy hazel]

again, there is a good reason why you get told to read the manual.

[little leaf]

the cpu?

[wet prairie]

cooler

[stoic island]

Twist

After you unscrewed/unclipped it

[wet prairie]

how do i i clip

unclip

it’s very hard

[stoic island]

Some coolers have screws some clips

Idk

[foggy hazel]

again, motherboard manual has the guide for it

less complaining here, more reading of the manual.

[wet prairie]

again, motherboard manual has the guide for it
@foggy hazel for what?

taking this cpu out?

[foggy hazel]

for how to both mount and unmount the cpu

yes.

[wet prairie]

only shows a screw on

[stoic island]

Uhh naed it might not for stock cooler with clips

[foggy hazel]

just remember, when you have it unclipped, TWIST do NOT pull.

[stoic island]

Idrk how the clips work

[wet prairie]

i cant get it unclipped

[foggy hazel]

down and to the side @stoic island

[wet prairie]

that’s the problem

[stoic island]

Would AMD have a manual for it?

Google time

[foggy hazel]

its the reverse of the mount.

[wet prairie]

like i just can’t take it off

it’s hard to explain

[foggy hazel]

its not like you have to suddenly do a full lux and sacrifice a random techie for it to unmount.

[wet prairie]

i’ve been trying for 30 minutes lol

[stoic island]

What's a full lux?

Do I want to know?

[foggy hazel]

no

[stoic island]

Alright

[wet prairie]

well i guess i’m gonna go to best buy and spend my check on someone to fix this

[stoic island]

Take picture

[wet prairie]

thx guys i guess

sure

[stoic island]

Why spend money when you can spend another half an hour and realise you can do something that works

Techie lifestyle >:D

[wet prairie]

it just doesn’t unclip

[stoic island]

Can you take a closer pic of the clips or no

[wet prairie]

i’ll try

[stoic island]

Ima look up how exactly it unclips itself

[foggy hazel]

push down and push to the side on the clip

[stoic island]

I'll give you this for now

https://youtu.be/mAaiU0iN_Xk

[wet prairie]

https://youtu.be/mAaiU0iN_Xk
@stoic island i watched thag didn’t help

that

i’m trying dude

[little leaf]

its pretty easy all you do is pull the lever up

[stoic island]

Is the lever or the latch not working?
https://www.amd.com/en/support/kb/faq/cpu-7?fbclid=IwAR2nm6pHasGz-wgjKB0tEqZbJtzqneVDkPuyKNQqF0nDWiuprVh5QetE3Dk#faq-Removing-the-CPU-Cooler

[wet prairie]

its pretty easy all you do is pull the lever up
@little leaf wym lever?

[stoic island]

In the video

[little leaf]

its in the video....

[stoic island]

It talks about a lever

[little leaf]

did you watch it lmao?

[wet prairie]

it already is

[stoic island]

Then the latch

What about the other side

[wet prairie]

other side doesn’t budge

[stoic island]

The lever or the latch

[wet prairie]

it says release the retention clips and lift it up like i haven’t already tried that

The lever or the latch
@stoic island idk how to remove the latch

[little osprey]

Fork knife

[stoic island]

Is the lever pulled all the way on both sides?

[wet prairie]

there is no lever on the other sides

side

[stoic island]

Hmm

[little leaf]

theres only 1 lever

[stoic island]

It looks like you push the latch to the side

[little leaf]

there is one side that latches

[stoic island]

I don't use my prism so idk

[little leaf]

once you pull the side with the latch off I belive you just pull the other side off

I'm pretty sure the other side doesn't have a lever

[wet prairie]

i wish it was that easy

i’m trying dude

idk how

[stoic island]

Pushing on the latch does nothing?

[wet prairie]

no

[little leaf]

once you de latch it

the other side is able to be pulled off

[wet prairie]

bro but how

[little leaf]

theres only a latch on one side on the video

[wet prairie]

do i delay him it

de latch

[little leaf]

de latch it lmao

[stoic island]

@little leaf they're asking about how

[little leaf]

put the lever up

[wet prairie]

🤦‍♂️

[little leaf]

pull the lever up

[stoic island]

The lever is up in the pic

[wet prairie]

pull the lever up
@little leaf wym

[plush wigeon]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/hR3Jsk I changed my $1000 list due to 3600x increasing to almost $20 over base 3600

[stoic island]

Oh wait

[plush wigeon]

I also got a better psu

[stoic island]

Cool

@wet prairie get the lever in the up position, that might change things

[little leaf]

@wet prairie just follow what the video does

pull the lever up

[wet prairie]

ok i’ll try that video again

[little leaf]

then move the latch to the side

[plush wigeon]

@little leaf how's my list since you are a decent critic

[wet prairie]

the latch doesn’t go up

[little leaf]

I still think that you can fit in a 400 dollar card in there let me see

[wet prairie]

i’ll just take it to best buy and pay 270$

[little leaf]

primaraley for gaming right

[wet prairie]

i did not think i was gonna spend this much loo

lol

[plush wigeon]

ya @little leaf

[foggy hazel]

@wet prairie as i said, down and to the side

[wet prairie]

@wet prairie as i said, down and to the side
@foggy hazel so i push the cpu cooler down and move it to the side?

i’m taking it to best buy

thx guys

if i go anymore it’ll break

[proven vessel]

how come when i right click on the speaker bottom right it doesnt show sounds

[plush wigeon]

the qualities I looked for in a case was decent airflow (no ac in our apartment tho we have a bunch of fans), rgb (aesthetic and I like the lights), and not super hard to build in as my first build.

[little leaf]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xxR3K4 I think something like this

just cut down the storage and then you can just get a 2tb hdd when you get the money

[plush wigeon]

Also, the rgb is a stimulation source as that can be big for me. I have issues with that sort of thing.

[stoic island]

Naed you might want to elaborate further

[foggy hazel]

@wet prairie the metal arm that is securing it to the socket.

[stoic island]

The black one?

[foggy hazel]

after the lever has been released. you "just" push the metal "bracket" down a bit, and then to the side

imagine that to "secure itself" it "grips" the socket like a claw

so you have to overcome that "claw" shape.

[little leaf]

of if you can about 50 over you can get a 2tb hdd to be the main storage

[plush wigeon]

@little leaf not bad, but 5700xt might not be necessary depending on Big Navi prices and performance

[little leaf]

well are you getting big navi?

or you buying this gen?

[foggy hazel]

does that make sense @stoic island

[little osprey]

build for the 3070 for 968.93

[little leaf]

that ssd is bad

[plush wigeon]

depends on prices, I'm not able to get the pc for a few months. It is my reward for losing weight

[little leaf]

I wouldn't trust that psu to support a 3070

Oh then just wait

[little osprey]

i could make upgrades later on

for the ssd

if i need to

[little leaf]

send the link I can't see the prices

just take out the https

[little osprey]

there

oof

[little leaf]

send without https

[plush wigeon]

the lists are mostly placeholders and confirming what I should go with when the time to buy comes. I think it is a good idea to plan the pc

[little osprey]

pcpartpicker.com/list/297j3t

thoughts?

[little leaf]

I would say better psu

better storage

cheaper case

[little osprey]

got any recs

[rich void]

If you're not buying for a few months maybe you can fit a ryzen 3600 in there instead. If 4000 series desktop parts release this year ryzen 3600s might see a price drop

[whole stag]

Does anyone own the be quiet shadow wings 2 fans

[little osprey]

im getting it around Christmas time for the discounts

[rich void]

Well amd has said the 4000s are coming this year, so maybe you can bump up the processor, but that's all speculation

[foggy hazel]

they are being launched this year, that is a fact. What we dont know is availability.

[little osprey]

ok

any psu recomendations

[rough loom]

im guessing they are waiting for mobo manufacturers to get new mobos ready for the cpu's

[whole stag]

@little osprey cosair rm 750

[foggy hazel]

@rough loom hm?

[rough loom]

and actual performance numbers for nvidia cards

[rich void]

they are being launched this year, that is a fact. What we dont know is availability.
@foggy hazel
Or if 3600 prices will drop with the release

[foggy hazel]

ah, you mean amd is waiting for the mainboard manufacturers? no. not the case.

[rough loom]

dont think so?

[foggy hazel]

nope

if anything, they are building up stock at the moment

they = amd

[rough loom]

probably slow due to shipment delays via boat

[foggy hazel]

nah, if they want to get stuff like this to arrive. it will arrive

a minor thing like the current situation is something that you can overcome with money.

[minor lynx]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/zFjxyk

I don't game much

[little leaf]

that gpu isn't good deal

[minor lynx]

It's being made from scratch

I forgot to say

[foggy hazel]

its a solid enough little build @minor lynx

[minor lynx]

out of 10 my curiousity asks how much

[foggy hazel]

that is for you to decide.

you are the one that will be using it

[minor lynx]

true

but is it good I ask

[foggy hazel]

as i said, its a solid enough little build.

[minor lynx]

okay fair enough

[foggy hazel]

btw @stoic island here is a trip down memory lane for you http://www.xoxide.com/discontinued.html

try and have a gander at some of those products

[north kindle]

Hey folks. Anyone available to chat with me about a build I'm trying to put together. It's my first and I'd like to try and avoid mis-steps.

[foggy hazel]

state your worries, and people will respond if they know/have-the-time

[north kindle]

Thanks. Here's my initial parts list:

[unborn solstice]

do u need help with the building part or the component selection?

[north kindle]

I'm trying to make sure that components are all compatible and decent for money. If there are better options to consider, I'd love to hear it.

[foggy hazel]

@north kindle if you have a pcpartpicker link, just send it to me, and i will post it for you

[north kindle]

CPU: AMD RYZEN 7 3700X 8-Core 3.6 GHz, Motherboard: ASUS Prime B550M-A (WI-FI) MB, Storage: Samsung 860 EVO 500GB 2.5 Inch SATA III, Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 X 8GB) DDR4 3600, Graphics: ASUS ROG STRIX AMD Radeon RX 5500 XT, Case: CORSAIR CARBIDE SPEC-05 Mid-Tower, Power Supply: GAMEMAX RGB750-Rainbow.

[foggy hazel]

the bot will prevent you from posting links until you are lvl3

[north kindle]

Ahhh... I'll go and look at that. Probably an easier way to communicate.

[foggy hazel]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/

there is the site

the "yellow" bar will get a custom URL that you can post to share your list with us :)

[north kindle]

Okay, brb. Thank, @foggy hazel

[unborn solstice]

@north kindle is this for gaming or work?

[north kindle]

Specifically, I'm trying to build an artist station. I do alot of photography work as well as Corel Painter. I have a Cintiq 24inch HD that I use and the current PC doesn't quite cut it.

[plush wigeon]

I don't think 16gb of ram is enough for that?

I'm no expert tho

[north kindle]

I have considered more ram, but it seems like the bottleneck would be through the GPU? The specs for Corel Painter indicate about 4GB and I've seen 8GB for Photoshop.

[olive kraken]

Can someone help me with adjusting the fan curve?

I don't have PWM fans

[foggy hazel]

@north kindle you on 2020 of Painter?

[north kindle]

@foggy hazel I'm on 2017.

[foggy hazel]

hm, does that even have GPU accelleration?

i know 2020 does

[north kindle]

Corel offered an update in 2018 for GPU acceleration.

[foggy hazel]

ok :)

based on their system specs, it looks like "generic" opencl acceleration

so, both nvidia and amd work for it

i just know that the 2020 also has a nvidia only gpu path.

hence the questions :)

[north kindle]

I've heard nightmares about Radeon. Doh... back in a bit. Have to run wife to dentist. Thanks for help!

[foggy hazel]

best of luck :)

[final warren]

noice

[quasi walrus]

Hey - could use some help. I just bought ASUS ROG Strix B550-F Gaming (WiFi 6) AMD AM4 (3rd Gen Ryzen) ATX Gaming Motherboard and am trying to match a water cooler with it. I got the Cooler Master MasterLiquid Lite 240 AIO CPU Liquid Cooler - which says it is compatible, but the cooler has a square configuration for the CPU posts while the Mobo has a rectangle... Am I missing something here?

Cooler: https://www.newegg.com/cooler-master-masterliquid-240-lite-liquid-cooling-system/p/N82E16835103252?Item=N82E16835103252

[foggy hazel]

check the installation guide @quasi walrus :)

its a change in bracket iirc

[quasi walrus]

OK - I will look again, Prolly missed it.

Hope I'm not back. If not - Thank You. 😆

[foggy hazel]

https://coolermaster.egnyte.com/dl/CPmDDSH90t/ <- here you go @quasi walrus

figure 10

and onward

well, techinically, figure 1, 2, 3 and then 10, 11, 12

[quasi walrus]

OK - somewhat akin to "have you restarted it yet" is "did you COMPLETELY read the directions... smh

[foggy hazel]

:)

[rapid adder]

whats a good basic case not looking for crazy lights or anything

[foggy hazel]

Personally, be quiet has a number like that, and fractal design has a LOT like that.

[rapid adder]

is the nzxt h150 any good?

[deep skiff]

it doesnt have the best airflow but its okay

[rapid adder]

i want to putr an i9 with the be quiet dark rock pro 4 will that even fit in that case?

[foggy hazel]

check vertical clearance on the NZXT site, and check the height of the DR pro4 on their site.

[little leaf]

Idk if I would use a 10900k in a h510

Lots of heat in a case with not ao good airflow

[spiral zealot]

not trying to sell here, just getting more opinions. would $325-350 sound fair for a full system w/i3-6100, 4GB R9 380, 8GB DDR4-2400, 60GB SSD + 500GB HDD, micro atx tower w/tempered side panel, and 500W non-modular PSU?

[foggy hazel]

look at your local market

[spiral zealot]

it has one of the 120mm fixed rainbow RGB exhaust fans and a 120mm non-RGB intake fan as well, for airflow/aesthetics (not that i'm a fan of that fan)

[foggy hazel]

that is the best i personally can offer.

[spiral zealot]

local market here is crap, it's the SF Bay Area so everything skews towards higher end, even if the components are crap. People on FB marketplace trying to sell FX systems for $1k

[foggy hazel]

price it what you think it is worth

[little leaf]

Try 500

And have them bargin down

Theyll see the price of 500 and think oh if I can get it for 400 its a good deal

[tall oak]

hello folks

[spiral zealot]

Yeah, I thought about that, but not starting quite that high. I just mainly wanted to see if something that's basically a 5 year old rig top to bottom would even be worth anywhere near the $300-400 mark.

[little leaf]

Try it

[spiral zealot]

And it's not even a top of the line 5 year old rig, it was low/mid range back then, heh.

[little leaf]

I still think you can sell it for 400

[lusty glacier]

Alright, I've got a Lian Li O-11 Dynamic with three QL120 on intake and three on exhaust. I have three fan slots left. If I were to buy an AIO, do you think it's be better to set the three additional fans as intake and create positive pressure or as exhaust to create negative?

[spiral zealot]

Eh, I'll give it a shot, worst case, I bargain back down to the 325-350 price I was initially looking at and I still make what I started at. I'm only in it for $100ish, so I'm not trying to straight up gouge anyone on price, but would still like to turn as much profit as I can.

👍

Also @lusty glacier you usually want to skew towards positive pressure if you can. Negative pressure will usually result in some air being pulled in through pci slots in the case and other cracks, bringing in unfiltered air.

[royal drift]

Could use some advice, new build with a brand new 2060. Getting these lines. Tried all three display ports and hdmi, two different cables for both, removed and reset the card back in, different monitor, and latest drivers. Running out of troubleshooting steps that I know of.

[lusty glacier]

Also @lusty glacier you usually want to skew towards positive pressure if you can. Negative pressure will usually result in some air being pulled in through pci slots in the case and other cracks, bringing in unfiltered air.
@spiral zealot fair, that's what I thought. I don't want to stray from the Corsair ecosystem due to the troubles I was having getting every LED in the case to shut off when I put it to sleep - any idea if the Corsair 360 AIOs are any good or is there another brand with a much better performing one? Would be cooling a 3700x.

@royal drift do you have another card you can try the monitor on? It honestly looks like you need to RMA the card

[stoic island]

@royal drift could also be a monitor problem, test monitor

[lusty glacier]

Even if you have a console you can plug it into to try

[royal drift]

@stoic island Tried two different monitors, @lusty glacier yeah I will try the monitor on my system. This was a rig I built for my wife this weekend.

[lusty glacier]

If the monitor works, the card is buggered :c sorry for your luck

[stoic island]

Tried downloading drivers yet?

[royal drift]

@stoic island Have the latest game ready drivers, reinstalled to make sure

[stoic island]

Fair enough

That's enough evidence for an RMA/return if the monitor is tested to be good

[royal drift]

@stoic island @lusty glacier Thanks for your help, I just wanted to make sure I wasn't crazy or I could of missed a step. I will call newegg in the morning.

[lusty glacier]

Good luck!

[stoic island]

Good luck to ya!

[little osprey]

hm? https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8yCQFG

[knotty drum]

@little osprey very good build

this will last you for a long time

[small heron]

2-3 years

@little osprey

[knotty drum]

longer than that lol

im thinking more like 7 years

[little osprey]

for real?

[knotty drum]

yes on 4k with that new GPU

[little osprey]

that's the issue tho

idk if ill be able to get the new gpu in time

[knotty drum]

ah i understand ill just get 2070s for now until more GPU with different brands like msi, evga etc . i personally love my new 2070s. i had it for almost two months now. Currently running on 2k

[little osprey]

oh damn lucky you, ive got a 3k budget

[knotty drum]

thats plenty lol i paid 2k on my first build

[little osprey]

damn nice

[knotty drum]

but without two curved monitors lol

[little osprey]

haha makes sense

[knotty drum]

165hz

[little osprey]

sheesh

[knotty drum]

smooth!

[little osprey]

hell eyah

yeah*

I just want to get a prebuilt, but there aren't many good deals.

[knotty drum]

yeah not at this moment

id probably wait longer until black friday

i wish i got 32gb ram cards

[little osprey]

true, but I am an impatient boiiii

[knotty drum]

i got 15gb atm

16

[little osprey]

same

[knotty drum]

same!! im not patient

[little osprey]

frrrr

[knotty drum]

lol

i went like f this im buying 2k built

[little osprey]

did you get a prebuilt?

[knotty drum]

now i want even more powerful build ahaha

nah

i just buy all parts and put them together

[little osprey]

yeah.. that's what I want to do

and I wanted to wait for the 3090

but its on the 24th without guarantee that i can get it

[knotty drum]

oooooo itll be nice!!

[little osprey]

like, i put aside 3k, and the build i link was pretty beastly

[knotty drum]

oh yeah wayyy better than mine ahaa

[little osprey]

the core i am getting is... pretty good

id prefer 10900k instead of kf

but whatever

[knotty drum]

prolly run 4k 100 fps easily

[little osprey]

maybe

[still roost]

Necro#8860 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[little osprey]

whoops

i cursed

I want to run fortnite on it, but I wonder how many fps id get

it would maybe be at 200hz mons and 1080

[knotty drum]

400 lol

[little osprey]

400 normal, but while streaming?

maybe 240

[small heron]

donate

@little osprey

[little osprey]

dude I am poor,

ive been saving up this 5K for months

(spending 2k on accessories)

[small heron]

Poor sets aside 3k

**months :/ **

[knotty drum]

same here

[small heron]

*me with 1.4k over 6 months *

[little osprey]

:/ i work

[knotty drum]

idk honestly with this new gpu

3090

[little osprey]

same

[knotty drum]

same

[small heron]

$300 cpu + $700 gpu

😎

[little osprey]

i dunno tho, im also kinda scared of building a c

pc

[small heron]

Ill do for you

[little osprey]

how o-o

[foggy hazel]

did you think i was joking around with that pcpartpicker list earlier @little osprey ?

[small heron]

Inv me over

[little osprey]

not at all @foggy hazel it is really good

[foggy hazel]

ofc it is a solid build :P

[small heron]

@little osprey jus inv me over

[little osprey]

that is, if I was able to get the 3090, and ching wdym lol

[small heron]

Jus lemme slide up to ur crib

[little osprey]

lmaooo i live in rhode island

[small heron]

I can get it built in an hour if everything goes right

[little osprey]

sheesh man I really wish it could go down like that

[small heron]

I live in Pakistan

[still roost]

Necro#8860 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[small heron]

Oof

[little osprey]

darnit i keep cursing

oh shoot, that's too bad

[small heron]

Nah i live /

Georgia

[little osprey]

Oh dope

[small heron]

Rhode island smol

[little osprey]

yep

@foggy hazel I hope I can get the 3090

[small heron]

Ima snipe a 3080

[knotty drum]

lol i learned how to build by watching youtube

[little osprey]

damn

[small heron]

Same

[knotty drum]

i build my first pc couple months ago

[small heron]

Built my first pc the other day

[little osprey]

is the 3080 and the 3090 so much different?

[knotty drum]

not really

[small heron]

Its a titan

Meant for creators

[little osprey]

i mean, its 10gb - 24 gb

I'm a soon-to-be creator and streamer

so I guess its good for me

[small heron]

Renders

Stuf like that

[little osprey]

ye

Guys 1440p 60hz or 1080p 144hz

[knotty drum]

165

1080

[little osprey]

def 1080

And will it bottleneck with a 3070 and i59600k

[knotty drum]

im not sure

[little osprey]

I have a 2 1080p 60hz monitor’s already

Does anybody know what type of PC can run photorealistic minecraft?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpi-3q98uH4

[knotty drum]

same both monitors are currently running 165hz

[foggy hazel]

for now, dont worry about things you cannot influence @little osprey

[little osprey]

huh?

[knotty drum]

27inch curved

lovin it

[little osprey]

I have a 27 and a crappy dell monitor very small

Aoc

[little leaf]

@knotty drum howd you spend 2k on that build?

that build should be a 10600k and 2080ti

at that budget

[little osprey]

Best gpu for 1080p gaming

[little leaf]

3090

[little osprey]

Dude I’m not rich ok

[little leaf]

lmao you didn't give a budget

so

[knotty drum]

thats just my pc built without keyboard and monitors

[little osprey]

I will bottleneck for i59600k

[foggy hazel]

@little osprey re: influence: was about your earlier comment.

[little osprey]

It needs to be for that cpu

@foggy hazel ohh, about being able to get it or not?

[little leaf]

@little osprey yes 2k should get a 10600k and 2080ti just pc

[knotty drum]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/XCdf3t

[foggy hazel]

yes

[knotty drum]

heres my build

[little osprey]

Can I get a 3070 and upgrade the cpu a year later

[knotty drum]

mostly with RGB

[little osprey]

I’m 14

[little leaf]

you spent 1.2k on just monitors lmao?

[foggy hazel]

thats not bad at all

[knotty drum]

me?

[foggy hazel]

those are lovely monitors

[little leaf]

but 1.2k....

thats my entire pc

[knotty drum]

nah paid $400 for two

[foggy hazel]

and?

[little leaf]

ah see

[little osprey]

Can I get a 3070 and upgrade the cpu a year later
@little osprey

[hard plinth]

I've been thinking about this for awhile now but my main pc has a i5 7600k and I kinda wanna upgrade because of the higher core/thread count of the ryzen chips should I upgrade to the ryzen 5 3600? Or just keep the i5

[knotty drum]

go for i7

since its getting a little cheaper

[hard plinth]

Last time I checked an i7 7700k was $280+

[little leaf]

don't get an i7

get a 3600

or keep it if its good enough for you

[knotty drum]

why?

[little leaf]

its up to you to decide whats good enough for you

[knotty drum]

whats wrong with i7

thats true its up to you

[hard plinth]

Overpriced compared to ryzen

[little leaf]

which i7?

[hard plinth]

i7 7700k

[little leaf]

ya no lmao

a 3600 is better for most things

and in gaming its very similar

[knotty drum]

youtube it

[hard plinth]

Hum alright

[little leaf]

bruv

the 7700k is not work 280 dollars

especially not if your trying to get an upgrade

[foggy hazel]

less hyperbole and more facts would help on all sides :)

[little leaf]

ok what are you doing with the chip?

[hard plinth]

Emulation

Want to run my old ps3 games in 1080p

[little leaf]

I can't remember naed intel works better for emulation right

[hard plinth]

I5 7600k cant do it because rpcs3 needs 6+ threads plus to be efficient

[knotty drum]

honestly in my opinion getting i7 9700k is at $300 and prooly worth the money for long run

sorry my typo is messed up lol

[foggy hazel]

some branches of emulation does indeed work better on the intel chips, but i honestly cannot remember which is which @little leaf

[little leaf]

anyone do emulation?

[knotty drum]

not me lol

[foggy hazel]

@hard plinth i would strongly recommend that you have a read of their reddit and see what results people are getting with different chips.

[knotty drum]

wish i could help but no answer

also youtube it for comparison

[hard plinth]

I saw the ryzen 5 3600 can handle demon's soul's pretty well

[foggy hazel]

because as i answered above, it can swing quite wildly from chip to chip (or at least it used to be like that)

its been a while since i played around with any emulation (of that kind)

[hard plinth]

But there was a 60fps patch a few months ago and since then no ones posted any benchmarks from a ryzen 5 with the patch on so idk how it would perform

[foggy hazel]

its been a number of years since i touched anything related to it, so my info is old :)

but, you are the one that knows the workload

so, as long as you tell us what kind of parts are supposed to work best

we can quite easily tell you how much it would cost etc

[knotty drum]

agreed lol ^^^

[earnest olive]

i've heard that RPCS3 works much better with intel chips but doesn't scale well with core/thread count

so a 10600K might suit you

[knotty drum]

sorry this is off the point but why do you hate usps? lol

@earnest olive

[earnest olive]

because they keep delaying, losing, or damaging my packages

10 in a row

[hard plinth]

Oof

[knotty drum]

thats true mate

i think ups is the worst

from my experience

[earnest olive]

RPCS3 uses TSX instructions which zen doesn't support which is why intel chips perform better on it

they've updated it to mitigate the difference so it's still decent on ryzen

but if RPCS3 is your primary use case then intel is probably still going to be better for you

if you do other things a ryzen will be fine

[hard plinth]

alright

[little osprey]

Honestly. A Intel Core i5-9600KF - 8GB - NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 SUPER - 1TB HDD + 240GB SSD for 900 bucks isn’t bad

I just gotta buy liquid cooling

[next kestrel]

uhh is that new or used

also no psu

[little osprey]

New

Has a psu

Idk I think it’s 700 watt

[little leaf]

@little osprey I would say thats a bad deal

[little osprey]

Oop

[still roost]

Walter#1221 has been warned

Reason: Duplicated text

[foggy hazel]

@peak tinsel send me the list and i will post it for you

[peak tinsel]

thanks

[foggy hazel]

you are hitting the anti spam bot :) hence why you cannot post :)

on behalf of @peak tinsel https://pcpartpicker.com/list/yJDWV7

@peak tinsel what would you like to know?

[peak tinsel]

just your thoughts, potential improvements, etc.

[foggy hazel]

total budget?

[peak tinsel]

looking for something to game well and will last a few years but not overkill

~$1,000

[foggy hazel]

do you need it to be ITX?

if you want, that is perfectly okay

but i just need to know :)

[peak tinsel]

nah, just an option

more aesthetics

[foggy hazel]

what is most important to you, the performance or how it looks?

[little leaf]

you could get a much better system for the same price

[peak tinsel]

probably performance, i've experimented with ryzen but i'm not too sure on what's the best option

[foggy hazel]

give me a couple of minutes

[peak tinsel]

👍

[foggy hazel]

btw, do you need Wifi?

[peak tinsel]

no, i have ethernet

[foggy hazel]

fair

[knotty drum]

RGB?

[peak tinsel]

doesn't matter

[knotty drum]

@foggy hazel

[little leaf]

he knows

[knotty drum]

ok

i must have RGB haha

[foggy hazel]

the wonders of multi monitors :)

[knotty drum]

lol

[subtle halo]

imagine having WiFi

[peak tinsel]

this meme was made by ethernet gang

[knotty drum]

i have both ethernet and wifi. i got both because wifi will be my back up lol

[peak tinsel]

yes, wifi is much more convenient

[knotty drum]

if i have to move my pc around

yes agreed

[foggy hazel]

@peak tinsel https://pcpartpicker.com/list/93Yj3t

that is a suggestion

question: when do you plan on building/buying the parts @peak tinsel ?

[peak tinsel]

probably not for a few months or so, that will allow time to perfect the list lol

[foggy hazel]

ask again when you are 1-2 weeks away from actually buying

anything we make now is useless

[peak tinsel]

okay, i just wanted to get an idea now

thank you for your help!

[foggy hazel]

you are very welcome.

see you in X months

[peak tinsel]

will do :)

[minor lynx]

I have still not been told if my build is good enough in a proper way

[next kestrel]

link?

[knotty drum]

show us your build

[minor lynx]

hol up

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/zFjxyk

[minor lynx]

I wanted in a proper way

like a scale

[foggy hazel]

argle barg on the scale of argle to barg

there.

done.

[knotty drum]

what do you want this build for?

[minor lynx]

Gaming

[knotty drum]

what games?

[minor lynx]

not much

[knotty drum]

like mmo?

[minor lynx]

rainbow six siege, CSGO, call of duty modern warfare 1-2 (not the new and popular) , call of duty black ops 1, call of duty world at war

the call of dutys I listed are old titles

[knotty drum]

whats your budget mate?

[minor lynx]

nothing new

600$

[knotty drum]

ok looking at your build list brb

[minor lynx]

sure

[next kestrel]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/BY4bFG

there's a bettter priced one i guess

better gpu, ssd, mobo thats in stock, and a nice case

[knotty drum]

need cooler for CPU?

[minor lynx]

B450m ds3h...

that's not a good motherboard

b550m ds3h is reasonable

[next kestrel]

600$ build

requires some budget cuts

[minor lynx]

true

[next kestrel]

and the cpu cooler comes with the cpu

AMD stock cooler runs fine

[minor lynx]

thanks anyways! 🙂

[next kestrel]

np :PP

[rotund patio]

if i alredy opened components, can i still return them? i understand its a dumb question, but just to make sure...

[knotty drum]

almost done

[next kestrel]

you can return them most cases

unless its like a game code or something

[knotty drum]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/NKF2tp

check it out

its little more money but a little better. just more storage and better gpu

@minor lynx

[next kestrel]

what?

youre spending WAY too much on a mobo

also no ssd????

uhhhhhhhhhhhh

[knotty drum]

250gb isnt gunna be enough for everything

ssd is really expensive

hdd isnt bad

[next kestrel]

1. you have no ssd boot drive
2. the mobo is more expensive than the CPU
3. you save 3$ on the RAM for less speed
4. that case is questionable at best
5. the psu might even be overkill
6. the 1650 super is oos

also i put a 500GB ssd?

please don't go around telling people to only buy a hard drive

[knotty drum]

alright

[ripe quest]

@knotty drum whatever you do dont get that diypc case

just

dont

get a 256 gig ssd for windows too

and just get a ds3h dish for ur mobo

plus you can get a 2tb hard drive for 10 bucks more

[next kestrel]

600$ budget

[analog pulsar]

@next kestrel what I’m going to say hard drives are cheaper so that’s why they might go around 2 it’s the persons choice to get a hard drive or ssds

[next kestrel]

so i would give up the HDD

for later

[knotty drum]

exactly thats what i thought hdd is good and affordable.

[next kestrel]

why would you get good parts

then get an HDD?

[knotty drum]

i didnt know much about this case but good to know

[analog pulsar]

I have and HDD

[next kestrel]

do you boot off it?

[analog pulsar]

Yes

[knotty drum]

you can

[next kestrel]

because the 1 largest improvment in every pc

is getting an ssd

for boot

[analog pulsar]

Yes ssds are fast but if you wanna maybe get a 1TB it’s like $80-$100

[knotty drum]

and even if you want to get ssd when he has the money then he can always transfer from hhd to ssd

money, time, wise

[next kestrel]

its a lot easier to get an ssd first

because then you'd have to transfer os

[knotty drum]

it is bro but he got no money for that

[next kestrel]

why does he need a terabyte of storage?

i think 500GB is perfectly fine

[knotty drum]

ill prefer more storage than limited

[analog pulsar]

You really asking

1TB will hold everything they need

[next kestrel]

especially since its 20$ more than the HDD for an NVME with dram

you won't fill 500GB up as soon as you get a PC

unless you do something like video editing

[analog pulsar]

@next kestrel steam is a thing

[next kestrel]

or playing every game on the market

[analog pulsar]

I downloaded all my games into my computer

[foggy hazel]

yes, YOU did.

does not mean the user in question will.

[next kestrel]

still not a good argument that you should get a HDD before an SSD

[knotty drum]

i have 1tb ssd and im already 80%

at 80% i meant

[foggy hazel]

yes, but its a tradeoff @knotty drum

[next kestrel]

how long have you had it?

[analog pulsar]

The 2TB is $50 for 7200rpms

[knotty drum]

two months

[next kestrel]

wow you must download a lot lmao

[knotty drum]

i have 4tb hdd hook up to my box

[foggy hazel]

a 600usd machine comes with tradeoffs, you cannot get everything at that budget.

[knotty drum]

plenty and is at 60% as of right now

[next kestrel]

the 500gb nvme is 65$

[knotty drum]

thats expensive for 500gb lol

[analog pulsar]

@foggy hazel all I’m saying is....maybe what we should ask them is do they want speed or storage

[knotty drum]

i bought 4tb for 100

[next kestrel]

thats... much slower

[knotty drum]

my friend got 10tb for 100 on black friday

[next kestrel]

and the ssd i mentioned is one of the best for the price

[analog pulsar]

[next kestrel]

ok but those things are very different

rollover storage vs boot drive

[knotty drum]

like we said money is money

[next kestrel]

ok if you think storage amount is the only thing important in a storage device

i guess you win the argument

good job

have a cookie 🍪

[analog pulsar]

Is they get a 120GB for $20 abs just have windows in it I would say go for it

[foggy hazel]

its not about "speed" or "storage" its about having a system that actually reacts to your input in this century

[knotty drum]

10-20sec differences is not gunna hurt him

[foggy hazel]

and no, 120gig is NOT enough for a windows install.

[analog pulsar]

Really oops

[foggy hazel]

it is however going to be waste of the other parts potential

IF you want to use a HDD as a main drive. please, by all means. But then scale the rest of the parts way down

because by any semi-modern standard, it is a system that is unbalanced.

[knotty drum]

@next kestrel i understand you want best of the best build for the money

[analog pulsar]

Here’s what I’m working with

[knotty drum]

nice

[next kestrel]

Idk I'm not really into wasting money I guess

[foggy hazel]

consider the following: IF the user in question has his OS on a ssd.

[knotty drum]

hdd isnt really wasting money

[foggy hazel]

how long does it take him to add a HDD in a couple of months?

[knotty drum]

just a storage

[analog pulsar]

Then get a 500GB ssd then

[knotty drum]

😂

[analog pulsar]

For windows

[foggy hazel]

now, please tell me how long it is going to take IF he has a HDD and adds a ssd.

[next kestrel]

Wasting performance and time

[knotty drum]

and add hdd for gaming

again well for the money

[foggy hazel]

are you actually serious @knotty drum ?

[knotty drum]

serius about what?

[foggy hazel]

what you are debating right now?

[knotty drum]

im saying hdd is fine

[next kestrel]

I gave up after the argument about getting a 10TB for 100$

[analog pulsar]

[foggy hazel]

@analog pulsar jokes belong in #general-chat

[analog pulsar]

I didn’t say it

[next kestrel]

Wait Kenzie were you serious about booting off a HDD

[knotty drum]

also, i agree that ssd is way to go but too expensive for the budget

[analog pulsar]

Yes I told you I boot off one

[foggy hazel]

how can you say that with a straight face?

[next kestrel]

did you not see the parts list I posted?

[knotty drum]

me?

[next kestrel]

must've missed the link

yea

[foggy hazel]

yes, you.

[knotty drum]

i did

ssd is expensive for only 500gb

[next kestrel]

Well uhh kenzie if you're gonna get a 3090 and boot off a HDD

thats remarkable

[foggy hazel]

@next kestrel dont even bother on that.

[next kestrel]

to say the least

[analog pulsar]

Just for everyone I will get a SSD soon

😊

[knotty drum]

lmao i guess you are not getting the point

[analog pulsar]

I wanna make people happy

[knotty drum]

a dude is asking for opinion for his build and he aint getting 3090

[next kestrel]

Uhh

In really confused

[foggy hazel]

you are misreading @knotty drum

[next kestrel]

Do you not see nicknames?

[analog pulsar]

My name outside of this discord server is Kenzie it’s on my profile

@knotty drum

I have this nickname until 24th

[knotty drum]

ok im really confused

[next kestrel]

Also @knotty drum no build is too "low budget" for an ssd

[foggy hazel]

and none of that is relevant for this channel @analog pulsar

[analog pulsar]

Okay

[next kestrel]

I was referencing that she was booting off an HDD, which significantly highers boot times, while waiting for the BEST gpu on the market

[knotty drum]

i think im done talking about HDD and SSD

[analog pulsar]

My current boot time is 14.7 seconds

[next kestrel]

I'm still not convinced you should really be making parts lists for people

[foggy hazel]

@next kestrel dont bother trying to understand it.

[next kestrel]

ok I guess

[foggy hazel]

that is in direct reference to the 3090

[knotty drum]

SSD wins for the speed. HDD wins for the money. Everyone have their own opinion. $600 is literally close to same build as consoles

[foggy hazel]

okay, so not done.

lets go then

the ssd is a question of responsiveness

[knotty drum]

lol i guess im actually done now like right now

😂

[next kestrel]

ok I guess write a paragraph and complain that we're talking too much

cool

[foggy hazel]

you harping on and on about "storage" is not magically going to make the system more responsive.

adding a ssd to a build however will

adding a hdd to a system with a ssd already installed is a 2-5 minute job.

the reverse is a 30-120 minute job.

(that is with the drive partition clone IF the user has been smart enough to set it up like that)

IF they have not, 180-240 minutes is more realistic

because you are going to need a new OS install

[analog pulsar]

So if I add an ssd to my system it going to be longer.....oh okay

[next kestrel]

Did you get a prebuilt

Because it took too long to build

???

[knotty drum]

just to clarify i was talking about @minor lynx's build

[foggy hazel]

aye

and so am i @knotty drum

[next kestrel]

in 200$ builds, an ssd is still used

600$ is plenty

[analog pulsar]

@next kestrel it wasn’t in my $400 pre-built

I got a hard drive

I got mine from bestbuy

[foggy hazel]

i am sorry that the mindset i apply to builds is based on what makes the system the best it can be from the users perspective.

but that is however how i prefer to do things.

[next kestrel]

Well prebuilts really mostly care about cpu and gpu and amount of ram

[foggy hazel]

@analog pulsar that is entirely on you as the buyer.

[analog pulsar]

@next kestrel okay here we go
Ryzen 3 2200G w/ Vega 8
No GPU
1x8GB ram
1TB hard drive

[next kestrel]

400?

wow when did you buy that?

worth about 250$ at max lol

[analog pulsar]

@analog pulsar that is entirely on you as the buyer.
Which is true but this was my very first computer and I didn’t know what I was doing I didn’t join this discord until 6-7-2020 so yea I couldn’t get help picking a good one out or getting reviews on it

[foggy hazel]

you could easily have read up on things online.

[analog pulsar]

Yes but I had an xbox my whole life I didn’t know anything anything

Was completely new to it

But things are better now

[knotty drum]

what made you wanna play on pc

even you dont know it