building-and-recc-chat

[potent pike]

Is it required to put it on?

[shadow flume]

no its just the newest type of drive

[little osprey]

So if I get the i5 1050 optiplex combo instead, they seem to have 250w PSUs.. is that safe for a power pinless 1050?

[potent pike]

Yea

I have also that

[stoic island]

@little osprey it used to be a good budget cpu, but 3100 now

[little osprey]

when you don't have for a gpu it does the work

[potent pike]

Is it necessary to use AVR?

[stoic island]

which nowadays there's no budget where that happens if you consider used

[little osprey]

btw is xfx rx 580 actually a good gpu or is it actually as bad as on the reviews

[stoic island]

like 200-500$ is optiplex upgrade price territory, and 500$+ is 3100+1650s territory

@little osprey at what price

[little osprey]

170$

8GB

[deep skiff]

no

[potent pike]

Thats good

[stoic island]

no

[little osprey]

570-580 are the greatest value GPUs of our time, but, get it used imo

not on used market btw

new

[stoic island]

1650 super > rx580 new

[deep skiff]

ya you can get it used for 120 or if you try under 100, 170 is 1650 super

[stoic island]

:D

[little osprey]

Yeah new get 1650s

[stoic island]

There's no reason to go rx580 new imo

used you can get good deals for price to perf

[potent pike]

1080 or 1650s?

[stoic island]

ofc 1080 lol

[little osprey]

1080 is much stronger, I dunno about price performance

is 1650s also better for production?

[potent pike]

Oh lol

[stoic island]

Yes

[potent pike]

Im confused

[stoic island]

CUDA OP

[little osprey]

so gpus on amd are still oof

[deep skiff]

lol no the 1080 is like twice the price of a 580 used

[little osprey]

For value production depending on what you use the 2060 KO is what to get to my knowledge, I forget what programs it works with tho (it has the 2080 .. something)

also is there any place to actually see trustworthy benchmarks on comparison for both?

[potent pike]

Bruh i have 1050ti it makes me feel unworthy lmao

[wary geode]

haven i guess

rx 470 lets go

[little osprey]

I just use userbenchmark, but it's not very good for cpu comparisons with CPUs with more then 8 threads... Which will soon be all of them lol

Can still do the math yourself but yeah

[potent pike]

I dunno why rx470 better than 1050ti

When it comes fps

[errant berry]

so userbenchmark was saying that ryzen cpu's bottleneck nvidia gpu's

is that true?

[little osprey]

Isn't the 470 more like a 560

[errant berry]

trying to prove a friend wrong

[little osprey]

Legit every cpu bottlenecks a 2080 ti at points

So I guess? Lol

[errant berry]

but he was saying that it was major bottleneck

not like 2% or anything

[little osprey]

I wouldn't pair AMD with a 2080 ti

[errant berry]

but for like a 2060s

[little osprey]

Then I disagree with this

[errant berry]

thanks lol

like i said the r5 3600 would work with a 2060s

[little osprey]

Depends what cpu too tho of course

3600 is good for a 2080 even

2060s is maybe more fitting but iuno that in depth

[errant berry]

ok

i just wanted to see if it was true bc when would use a bottleneck calculator it wouldnt show much at all

[deep skiff]

bottleneck calculators are stupid

[little osprey]

Bottleneck calculator is pretty accurate too, any of these sites aren't perfect, there's too many factors to be accurate, but it's pretty good mostly

It's a decent starting point of info

3600 + 3060 will probably be a perfect pairing, ocd reasons included

And 3600mhz ram :)

[autumn wolf]

what you gonna do about psu?

[little osprey]

600 watt? I guess lol

[shadow flume]

@little osprey i never had any bottlenecking and i have that card

[little osprey]

The Maine problem would be, 36gb of ram?

6÷3= 2 so 32 GB works... Right?

[shadow flume]

and an I7 9700k

[little osprey]

I'm just talking technicalities, I'm sure that's a fine pairing that plays ultra smooth, but still there is no cpu that can accomodate a 2080 ti to perform 100% in all situations

GPUs went too crazy mode lol

And now they going even extra crazy mode

[little osprey]

Thank God we had the ryzen competition

[errant berry]

what processor

[little osprey]

You'd need like a 3950x and a game that used 12+cores to fully unleash that card

[errant berry]

thats a lot lol

[little osprey]

2080 ti is alot :p

[errant berry]

they need to up cpus

bc now we got the 3000 series

[little osprey]

3080 3090 will be like, way too strong for current cpus

[shadow flume]

I7 9700k

[errant berry]

the 3090ti wont work right lol

[little osprey]

But they will run games good for like ten years at least lol

[errant berry]

facts

i was planning to get a 3060s or 3070s

if they are gonna be cheaper

but idk if the r5 2600 can keep up😂

[little osprey]

Don't wait for supers you won't even know if they gunna exist lol

[errant berry]

good point

[little osprey]

They will only exist if AMD beats them

[errant berry]

true

its that or ill get a rx 5700xt

[little osprey]

Rdna2 will also be an option

[shadow flume]

if it does i dont care. im buying the 3090 just as soon as it comes out

[little osprey]

5700 gunna be trash

Think amd can answer back with a good gpu compared to 3000 series?

[errant berry]

well

do we know the 4000 series specs yet?

[shadow flume]

no they wont be able to

[errant berry]

i wouldnt think so

[little osprey]

Rdna2 might be the new Radeon 4000, we gunna have to see

[errant berry]

but idk the 4000 specs

[little osprey]

I doubt it tho personally

[errant berry]

whats rdna2

[little osprey]

New AMD cards

[errant berry]

oh

[little osprey]

Ryzen 4000 I think is mostly gunna be about the APU, otherwise not too much faster then 3000, but who knows

5000 gunna be the new big jump, a tick tock strategy

[errant berry]

isnt that like integrated graphics

[little osprey]

Yeah

[errant berry]

ah

why focus on that tho

with all the cards out rn

[little osprey]

4700g appearently runs gtav just fine

[errant berry]

wow

that is a lot of improvement lol

itll save people money if they cant afford a gpu too

so it is kinda smart

[little osprey]

Yeah exactly

[errant berry]

makes them a viable option for budget

not like they havent been budget already

[worthy ivy]

Does anyone know if the Team Group GXX2 2.5 inch SATA III SSD will directly replace a mechanical drive in a Dell 15R laptop?

[little osprey]

Like itl give me the option to game while I save up for a 3080 rather then a 3060

[errant berry]

yea

i wonder how much itll cost tho

[little osprey]

More expensive lol, it won't be that bad tho everyone's poor now they know that

[errant berry]

good point

i just wanna see the price points on the 3000 series

bc i heard they switched suppliers

[little osprey]

Well there was a leak the other day

[errant berry]

ooo really

[little osprey]

3060= 400, 3090= 1400? I think

[errant berry]

yikes

that 3090 ti gonna be like 2k lol

if they do supers

[little osprey]

I think the 90 might be replacing the TI marketing, and then supers later instead

2000s only had 1 TI model

[errant berry]

ohh

that makes sense

bc 1400 for a base card wouldve been a lot

[little osprey]

Yeah 3090 is the new titan / ti, thing

[errant berry]

yea

[little osprey]

Prepare for the Nvidia house fire memes tho, rdna2 is a beast, and they have to compete using inferior architechture

[errant berry]

yea

[foggy bough]

guys my gpu is always at 80degrees and over at full load and it sometimes crashes. I have only a 80mm case fan and a 26 euro cause

[little osprey]

It's the main reason I keep rdna2 on my mind, if AMD has a good streaming encoder, and Nvidia makes my room a sauna, I'm going with amd

[errant berry]

if it idles at 80 then try using afterburner

thats what helped me with that

lmao facts

[foggy bough]

it doesnt idle at 80

[little osprey]

80 at idle??? Sounds like something is seriously wrong

Oh

[errant berry]

no when i played games lol

sorry idle was a bad term

[foggy bough]

on full load after some time it is being used

[errant berry]

i played any game and id get to 80

[foggy bough]

it get supa hot

[errant berry]

so

[little osprey]

You have no intake fan?

[errant berry]

try afterburner to set up the fans

[foggy bough]

i have one exhaust fan 80mm

[little osprey]

Or intake vents

[foggy bough]

i have afterburner

[errant berry]

oh

[foggy bough]

i may put one more exhaust

[errant berry]

so you have no intake fans for the case?

[little osprey]

You need an intake

[errant berry]

yea lol

[foggy bough]

my case has only for exhaust

its so bad

[errant berry]

bro how

[little osprey]

Is there intake vents at least?

[errant berry]

how is that even a case lmao

[foggy bough]

idk lol

[wary geode]

beans

[foggy bough]

BRUH

😂

[errant berry]

id get a better case

[buoyant flame]

So much green sheesh

[foggy bough]

i cant return it

[errant berry]

lmao

[little osprey]

Drill a big hole on the side panel and tape some mesh to it

[errant berry]

thats a good idea

if you cant get a new one

[little osprey]

Well yeah or get a new case lol

[errant berry]

how long have you had it

[foggy bough]

one day lmao

[errant berry]

ohh

[little osprey]

Or drill a bunch of tiny holes

[foggy bough]

i may try that

[errant berry]

yea thats a good idea

who sells this case tho

i wanna see it lmaoo

[foggy bough]

i can put one more fan for exhaust too

[little osprey]

If you have venting then another exhaust could help

But also you could try installing the fan on the new hole

[foggy bough]

yeah

Ill try that

[little osprey]

Lots of cases have no intake.... But they are not meant for gaming lol

[errant berry]

dang really

[foggy bough]

i just opened overcoocked and its going at 80degrees already wtf

[errant berry]

id think that all cases had an intake

[foggy bough]

after 10 mins

[errant berry]

ye id maybe get a new case

[little osprey]

Don't benchmark when u know it overheating lol

[foggy bough]

yes

[errant berry]

if you need a budget one, get the cougar mx330 x

its pretty cheap

[little osprey]

What happens when you game with the sidepanel totally off?

[errant berry]

and i heard good things ab it

[foggy bough]

ill try taking off the side panel now

[little osprey]

You can even point a room fan at the internals if u really need too lol

[foggy bough]

on overcoocked

menu

[still roost]

Old_SnakeTwitch#8147 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[little osprey]

Gunna get real dusty tho

[foggy bough]

does my gpu have the poblem?

[little osprey]

Keep the panel off for a few minutes and then tell us what the temp is

[errant berry]

id think its just the case

but yes try that

[foggy bough]

im trying that

rn

[little osprey]

But also synthetic stability benchmarks like that make your stuff wayyyyyy hotter than games do

[errant berry]

ye i remember doing a userbenchmark test and ive never heard my fans spin so fast

[foggy bough]

its alrrady 90 degrees after a minute 😭

[errant berry]

my god

[little osprey]

Well venting won't help then

Your have a serious issue

[errant berry]

agreed

[foggy bough]

i think is the gpu

[little osprey]

Was it used?

[errant berry]

the case is definitely contributing to the problem tho

[foggy bough]

no completely new

yeah

[little osprey]

My best guess would be an improper thermal paste application lol

[errant berry]

on a gpu?

[little osprey]

Unless 590s just get that hot and I'm clueless

Oh wait 580, nah

[errant berry]

the max my 590 goes to is 80

but in a game of r6 on high it stays around 75

it shouldnt be too far off for the 580

[little osprey]

Is it a blower style GPU?

[foggy bough]

no

[little osprey]

Are the fans spinning?

[foggy bough]

yes

[little osprey]

Touch the heat pipes, how hot is it? Be careful lol

If they aren't very hot, the cooler isn't making a good connection to the chip

And is probably insulating the heat instead

[edgy wagon]

what brand of 580?

i had serious heat problems with mine

[foggy bough]

the heat pipes arenr that hot on 37 degrees

XFX model

[little osprey]

I mean when it's 90

[edgy wagon]

hm

[surreal carbon]

is msi rx 580 8g armor good?

[edgy wagon]

do you have case fans?

[foggy bough]

one 80mm exhaust

[edgy wagon]

thats part of the problem

[errant berry]

yea lol

[edgy wagon]

rx 580 gets rlly hot for some reason

[little osprey]

Case airflow isn't the problem, he just tested with the side panel off

[errant berry]

so does the 590

[little osprey]

what rx 580 brand and model?

[foggy bough]

ill put one morr for exhaust and one for intake

[errant berry]

oh yea you right

[foggy bough]

XFX model

[edgy wagon]

i had to run my pc with no glass or front panel until i got a bunch of notua fans

[errant berry]

same

seems that xfx has a heat problem

[little osprey]

bruh xfx as far as I know cooks itself

[edgy wagon]

powercolor is just bad

[errant berry]

i dont stay there and get their quick

but i can get pretty high too

[little osprey]

Xfx 5770 wasy first card and was beautifulllll, that's unfortunate :(

[errant berry]

i didnt know that it sucked with heat tho

[edgy wagon]

mine is at 52c with only discord open

[errant berry]

i wouldnt have wasted my money

im at 29

i dont get that bad

just games for me

[little osprey]

has to be fixed by reapplying thermal paste as the one that comes with is is crap and if that doesn't work then underclock it and undervolt it

[foggy bough]

It stopped displaying on the screen

[little osprey]

as far as I've read through those are the best solutions

[foggy bough]

its brand new

[little osprey]

the xfx thermal paste is doodoo

[errant berry]

dang

[little osprey]

I know

[errant berry]

can you replace it

[foggy bough]

yes

[little osprey]

If thermal application is the problem, which sounds like it might be, hopefully u can still return it

[errant berry]

no the thermal paste

[little osprey]

Get it to 90c again and feel the heat pipes

[errant berry]

are you able to replace the paste like a cpu

[little osprey]

I might settle for a 1650 super even if I wanted those juicy 8 gb from rx 580

yeah

[errant berry]

lol

[foggy bough]

I believe putting two more case fans and new thermal paste might help

[little osprey]

you have to open the gpu

[errant berry]

oh

[foggy bough]

or i will replace it

[little osprey]

Replacing GPU thermals is complicated

[errant berry]

idk how to do that

ye sounds like it

[little osprey]

30 screws, gotta deal with thermal pads too

[errant berry]

dang thats a lot

not worth it

[foggy bough]

Sounds hard and i dont want to risk my gpu

[errant berry]

i plan on upgrading soon anyways

[little osprey]

tbh just return it and refund kekw

[foggy bough]

I will judt replace it

[errant berry]

yea

[little osprey]

If your out of warranty I'd try it, but I'm comfortable with that stuff

I did it to my 5770 lol

It made no difference

Like 1c

xfx cards are "best seller" but they get fried quickly

[errant berry]

wow really

[little osprey]

My 5770 lasted like 8 years

Different time I guess

[errant berry]

mine works well

[little osprey]

I mean rx 580 is best seller on amazon so lmao

[errant berry]

i just get that heat issue sometimes

[foggy bough]

Yeah but on the reviews they just said it was completely fine even though it had a bit more heat than the msi and other models.TheY said it went up to 80

[little osprey]

PC parts on Amazon gross

[foggy bough]

can i change something here:

?

[errant berry]

you can try to change the fan speed

[foggy bough]

its on idle

[errant berry]

and see if that helps

[foggy bough]

its on auto

[little osprey]

Why is your fan speed 0

[errant berry]

i had to change mine bc it didnt go fast enough until it hit like 80

[little osprey]

they go idle when on small load

[errant berry]

oh really

didnt know that

[foggy bough]

its not 0 speed its on auto

[errant berry]

id change it tho

[rough loom]

I run my video cards 40% no matter what with a steep auto curve

[errant berry]

same

[little osprey]

Auto usually yells you the percentage still

[errant berry]

i just set the fan speed according to the temp

[rough loom]

that cards temp could be 32 degrees. doesnt matter

40% atleast

[foggy bough]

ok i will just change the fan curve

[errant berry]

understandable

[foggy bough]

then

[errant berry]

yea

[little osprey]

40% is usually pretty damn quiet I also use 40

[errant berry]

same

[foggy bough]

i will test a game now

[errant berry]

ok

[little osprey]

40 minimum and like 60 max, I really don't like loud fan

[errant berry]

its something to deal with tho

i have a loud one at 75 up

but it keeps it 80 and below

[little osprey]

The type to lock fps and stuff, I never see those kinda temps

70c makes me uncomfortable xD

[errant berry]

i just dont pay attention to it

[little osprey]

Apparently 580s are rated for about 100c

[errant berry]

i cant do much ab it

[little osprey]

I read 110c but that seems insane lol

[errant berry]

yea lol

they know its gonna heat up

[little osprey]

So appearntly 90c is acceptable though

[errant berry]

for the xfx cards?

[little osprey]

do they not black screen on you?

[errant berry]

sometimes

but rare

[little osprey]

Your gpu shouldn't really do that

Actually no PC part should ever do that xD

[knotty kite]

I am going intel I know I know but Ryzen scared me away from there GHz I know you can overclock it but I just feel safer with intel rn but hey that's just me

[errant berry]

i can see why

[little osprey]

I cant

Ryzen overclocks itself lol

[errant berry]

the i5 10600kf is 270 and has a base clock of 4.1

so

[knotty kite]

I am doing the i7 it has 4.6Ghz I believe

[little osprey]

I7 is 8 threads right?

8 cores

[knotty kite]

Yes

[still roost]

Old_SnakeTwitch#8147 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[stoic island]

High GHz doesn't mean anything

Look at bulldozer lmfao

[knotty kite]

You can get more cores with Ryzen I know

[little osprey]

8 threads is bad

[foggy hazel]

@stoic island let them dig

[stoic island]

Yea

Do your research first

[knotty kite]

This is my First PC build so yea

[little osprey]

Well, what kind of GPU are you putting in?

[knotty kite]

I am still moving the pieces around

[little osprey]

Budget?

[knotty kite]

About 1.6K but I'm saving 500 for my RTX GeForce Super 2070

[little osprey]

If you insist going Intel id jump up to the i9

AMD is enough for a 2070, for sure

[stoic island]

Next gen

[knotty kite]

Ok I will go with thay

That

[stoic island]

w a i t

[little osprey]

It's real expensive tho

[stoic island]

Anyways please don't

Don't just dump your money in a overpriced Intel chip if you don't have an use for it

[foggy hazel]

@little osprey is there any particular reason you are trying so hard to peddle wrong info?

[errant berry]

facts

[knotty kite]

400 It added about 130$ to it but I mean I can make room for that

[errant berry]

idk why people hate on ryzen

[little osprey]

I would recommend a ryzen 3600 for that GPU personally

[stoic island]

Oh yea, "i7" doesn't mean crap either

[errant berry]

facts

[foggy bough]

i put it at100 per cent speed and its like Uh Oh 89 degrees

[stoic island]

Look at this ryzen chip killing a i7-4790
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/AMD-Ryzen-5-3600-vs-Intel-i7-4790/3481vs2226

[little osprey]

But of you have to get Intel, make sure it's at least 12 threads

[errant berry]

mhm

[stoic island]

In multi thread AND single thread

Hell the AMD chip even has a higher boost clock lol

[errant berry]

is the r5 3600 hyperthreaded

[stoic island]

Point is, do your research

[errant berry]

yes

[little osprey]

It's hyperhtreaded

[stoic island]

There is no objective best

[errant berry]

another reason to get that cpu

i didnt even know that lol

[stoic island]

I mean... 6c12t yaknow

[errant berry]

yea

[stoic island]

Hyperthreading is just 2t per c

[little osprey]

Are you playing competitive games like counterstrike and stuff? You could make Intel argument for that

Intel's not totally useless, it just is for most ppl lol

[errant berry]

oh so what would be a cpu without hyperthreading

[stoic island]

We never said Intel was useless

[little osprey]

A cpu without hyperthreading is just a bad cpu now

[errant berry]

yes

but what would it be

bc i cant think of a cpu without it

[little osprey]

That 8 core i7

[errant berry]

bruh really

[foggy hazel]

there isnt a current gen cpu like that @little osprey

[foggy bough]

how much time should i benchmark a gpu?

[foggy hazel]

@foggy bough until you have obtained what you wanted from the benchmark.

[little osprey]

They said they wanted a 9700 lol, but fair enough, the 10700 is 10 core no HT right? I suppose that could be alright... Kinda weird and risky tho

[foggy bough]

k

[errant berry]

that seems out of date for a 10th gen tho

[foggy hazel]

wrong again @little osprey

[errant berry]

does not hyperthreading have benefits?

[little osprey]

I haven't kept up with the new intels

[foggy hazel]

https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/199316/intel-core-i7-10700-processor-16m-cache-up-to-4-80-ghz.html

@errant berry technically it can, but on the consumer side of things. HT is considered a all around win.

[errant berry]

gotcha

[little osprey]

Oh I see, so yeah, 10700 is acceptable, but don't go for anything less

Well

10700 has hyperthreading

What the hell is Intel's 6 core 12 thread then

I think i5 10600

[errant berry]

yea

the kf

[little osprey]

10600 is i5?

[errant berry]

but its cheap for 270

[little osprey]

Omg Intel xD

[errant berry]

yes

it does have a base clock of 4.1

[little osprey]

Only go for the locked one if oyu absoluely can't spend

ye it's 1600

[errant berry]

thats pretty good

[stoic island]

10600k is a really nice Intel chip from 10th gen

[errant berry]

yea

[little osprey]

really good cpu

[stoic island]

For OCing and Gaming in higher budgets

[errant berry]

thats a good intel

[stoic island]

That's where Intel is good

[errant berry]

facts

mhm

[little osprey]

yeah

[stoic island]

<1500$ it's hard to find a purpose for Intel

[little osprey]

I was considering getting it

So then, they should get, 10600 probably non k, for that 2070

[stoic island]

Why

I disagree with both parts

[little osprey]

10600k is like $285 no?

I mean me too but if they want a 2070, and need Intel

[stoic island]

Either 3600 or wait for 4th gen if you can't get at least a 2080 level card

And need to wait for 3rd gen Nvidia cards

[little osprey]

I want zen 3 cpus 😄

It's not a long wait either

ye

[stoic island]

~1 week+

[foggy hazel]

right now, IF you are thinking of buying and your personal world wont implode from NOT having a machine for a week? Wait until after september 1st. it is that simple.

[little osprey]

I've been waiting for 2 months already lul

[foggy hazel]

that is your choice.

[little osprey]

would the prices drop after september 1st for mid range budget pc parts?

Yeah, wait for 3rd gen.

[errant berry]

i hope so lol

[stoic island]

Fairly likely

[little osprey]

if not then I wont lmao

Prices won't drop untill you can buy the new parts I would think

[stoic island]

For GPU yes

Others who tf knows

[little osprey]

How does the 2060s stack up against 2070?

[stoic island]

2070 with like a 4% edge

[little osprey]

It's like the same

when are 4000 series of amd releasing

Id get. A 1660 super if I wasn't waiting for ampere even

[foggy hazel]

i think those hoping for a price drop just after september 1st are going to be quite disappointed. (there is no logical reason for nvidia to drop their prices, and the retailers sure as heck wont do it from the goodness of their hearts)

[little osprey]

idk if to wait or use my newegg coupons

[stoic island]

Retailers likely would for clearing stock @foggy hazel

[little osprey]

Ppl are still buying GPUs like mad

[stoic island]

For "last" gen GPUs

[foggy hazel]

that has been happening already @stoic island

[stoic island]

I assumed it was going to continue

[little osprey]

how many gpus are getting discontinued after the release of RTX 3000 cards?

[stoic island]

None

[foggy hazel]

ofc, but do you see any super discounted cards right now @stoic island ?

[stoic island]

That we know of yet

No

[little osprey]

so nothing confirmed?

It's the absolute worst time ever to buy, and it's when the most people ever are buying lol...

[foggy hazel]

exactly @stoic island, and that is how many will be discounted after september 1st too.

[stoic island]

Fair nuff

Used market might go tho

[foggy hazel]

this (the people frothing at the mouth for lower GPU prices) is completely normal for any GPU launch

[little osprey]

I saw some youtuber saying the 1080 ti might just get yeeted off the market but idk about it, nothing confirmed yet 😔

[foggy hazel]

this is just iteration number 15+ or so

[stoic island]

Alright

[foggy hazel]

@little osprey all cards have a lifetime. And when it either doesnt make sense in a product stack sense or from a production line sense to have it around anymore. It will be EOL'ed

[little osprey]

how in the hell are some 1080 tis still like 700+ lmao

[stoic island]

No current (20xx) cards are going EOL afaik, just slowing production

[foggy hazel]

because people are willing to pay that amount for them. @little osprey

[little osprey]

I bet most ppl waiting for 2000 series price drops will just end up buying a 3060 lol

bruh

[deep skiff]

i mean buying any pascal card new isnt usually a good idea unless its evga b stock

[stoic island]

Prob

[little osprey]

They still sell Pascal new? Wow

[deep skiff]

ya if u wanna pay 1200 for a 1070 theyre super bad buys

[little osprey]

What in the world

[foggy hazel]

there are a LOT of pascal cards in the market

[little osprey]

Who's buying that, collectors? Lol

[foggy hazel]

people that dont know better.

[deep skiff]

people that dont know much about gpus

[little osprey]

Do they not know that 2 is higher than 1

[foggy hazel]

and also people that get advice from people that dont bother reading up on details

[little osprey]

I'm so friggin ocd about spending, that hurts so much

It's like people buying blue yetis

Do they not know that 2 is higher than 1
You' be surprised.

Lol

[stoic island]

And reading out of date guides

[deep skiff]

lol https://www.amazon.com/dp/B071X467PT?t

[stoic island]

That's like a k|np|n lel

Wait wtf is with that thing on the top

[deep skiff]

lol blower 1080 for 1500 great deal

[little osprey]

Does anyone remember why I bought a 1050, but then a year later it cost 100 bucks more?

[foggy hazel]

and this topic is why context is so very important when making statements about performance.

[little osprey]

Why did Pascal do that

[stoic island]

At first look I thought it was a full GPU block, so that would've been intake and exhaust

[little osprey]

I mean they really were too cheap to begin with but yeah lol

[deep skiff]

you can do air or liquid on it

[stoic island]

Oh interesting

Looked blocked off tho

[foggy hazel]

because of mining.

[little osprey]

Oh right ty

Wish I mineded... Lol

[foggy hazel]

@stoic island its just the normal valve/connection stops for preventing dust etc

[stoic island]

Oh okay

But yea damn that's an interesting layout

[deep skiff]

yeah its interesting

[tepid plover]

hey can someone send me a link to a windows key website

[deep skiff]

ebay.com

[little osprey]

Were temps crazy low if on water and air at once? O.O

[unborn solstice]

my $3 ebay guy went up to $5😭

[stoic island]

Rip

Software-codes.com

I think is the one ghost uses

[tepid plover]

okay

[little osprey]

Just Facebook marketplace for used desktops, there a ton of free windows keys in those pictures xD

I actually have some saved if u want to try lol

[tepid plover]

which windows should I get?

[little osprey]

Xp

McClutz who is he

I'd be happy to pay 5$ for a windows key

@unborn solstice

[tepid plover]

windows proffesiona;

[sullen spoke]

[unborn solstice]

crap

[tepid plover]

Im not seeing xp anywhere?

[unborn solstice]

i cant find him

i think hes dead

[foggy hazel]

@tepid plover home or pro, either works just fine for regular consumers

[sullen spoke]

^

[tepid plover]

okay

[unborn solstice]

@tepid plover xp was a joke lol

[little osprey]

Omg lmao

Sorry xD

[foggy hazel]

keep jokes like that away from this particular channel please.

[little osprey]

Yeah appearently lol, sorry

[foggy hazel]

you can joke all you want about stuff like that in #general-chat (you will only be 1 in a thousand that makes the exact same joke)

[tepid plover]

hahahahaha

[foggy hazel]

but we generally try and keep jokes like that away from this one

[little osprey]

I getchya

[sullen spoke]

[deep skiff]

no jokes allowed here

[little osprey]

Then u must leave

[unborn solstice]

oof

[little osprey]

👼

Like once a month I ask a different channel about OLEDs or LCDs with good local dimming and no one ever replys :(

The only good site I know is RTINGS but they don't seem to test a huge selection

[foggy hazel]

because good info takes time to find.

[little osprey]

I guess theres alot less tv experts than PC around

[foggy hazel]

consider what people value

plenty of people dont "see/notice" showroom over saturation in monitors/tvs

[little osprey]

Yeah I'd be very wary about any replys I even do get, but I have like no starting point

[foggy hazel]

keep looking is all i can tell you @little osprey

[little osprey]

gotten very used to a somewhat calibrated monitor over the years, and I go to someone's house and they using "vivid" or something and it's legitimately disgusting looking lol

Or high sharpness

Backlights turned up enough to burn your eyes

[foggy hazel]

"my monitor was so dark, so i turned my brightness to 100"

[wary geode]

yes

[foggy hazel]

and you are standing there going ... how the heck are you not getting sunburned from that glare

[deep skiff]

dont look at my monitor

[foggy hazel]

i wont have a need to

the glare through the walls tell me all i need to know

[little osprey]

Do you keep sharpness at 0? I've recently started using like 4%

[foggy hazel]

on the monitors here? (which are "just" consumption ones) i dont.

[little osprey]

Here? Where's here

[foggy hazel]

at my tinker station at home.

[little osprey]

Ah lol

Yeah, I go like 30% brightness

I'm really unfortunate tho, I bought this used Samsung, and the backlight was turning everything pink/purple, worst viewing angles ever

I fiddled with white balance for like.... 6 weeks before getting it nice

Had to turn blue bias to literally 0

And I don't think it was enough lol

Reds still look kinda bad but, best I'm gunna get by eye

For backlight brightness I like using the lighsensor eco stuff, dark night lighting it's like 25%, bright day lighting is like 70%

Ever consider replacing the backight and doing some more tweaking?

Not worth it

Wire up some high CRI LED strips instaid

My old Sony Bravia LCD with the cathode backlight looked sooooo much better

Led backlight sucks from the TV's I've used

And I'm just done with back lights anyways, unless really decent local dimming... I play and watch way too much dark stuff

Stealth games and horror movies foremost lol

But I saw this video once about OLED vs QLED, and the OLED brought out sooooo much more detail than the QLED did, due to having the unlimited contrast ratio, small light particles were visible on the OLED

Which now brings in the dilemma of, the ppl who edited this probably used backlit monitors, do I go with what brings out every detail, or what the creators saw when making it

Unless editors do use oled

Hollywood might, but I seriously doubt game devs do, games still don't even have set standards still

"set ur brightness to see this corresponding image how we like it" ...... Like no I calibrated my monitor already it should be just fine

I wonder if movies will start saying like "intended for OLED"

[little osprey]

Probably not for a while.

OLED makes sense though, as we can change the color/brightness of the individual LEDs and even posibly replace them easier.

[still roost]

Old_SnakeTwitch#8147 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[little osprey]

Oh yeah haven't thought of that, dang, if my new tv has a dead pixel and I can't return it cause it's not like five pixels or wtvr, I'm gunna lose it

[errant berry]

i need an opinion

me and a couple of friends are doing a build for another friend

and i just wanna compare and see which was better

this is the first https://pcpartpicker.com/list/kbZc27

this is the second https://pcpartpicker.com/list/s3D2HB

theyre basically the same, but we have different opinions on processors

[little osprey]

I'm not an expert, but you could get Windows 10 fo much cheaper somewhere else, and put that towards a slightly better mobo and SSD

[errant berry]

his parents dont want him to get it off ebay

i agree tho

[little osprey]

Kinguin

[errant berry]

but if he got it off of amazon that would save like 40

what

[little osprey]

ask an expert, not me

[errant berry]

whats kinguin tho

[little osprey]

Site for cheap keys

I've heard if they sell a non-working key they will get you a new one free of charge.

Plus it's 40$ keys

[errant berry]

dang

then that saves a lot

[deep skiff]

the first list is kinda messy

[errant berry]

the one with the aio?

[fast dust]

W1 in 2070 build o_o

[deep skiff]

yea

[wary geode]

lets go sold another build

[errant berry]

nice

[wary geode]

got 1k in 2 days

[fast dust]

dont to either

[wary geode]

TIME

[errant berry]

i was planning on doing a business for custom builds

[fast dust]

the EVGA W1 is a bad psu that shouldnt be used for high end builds

[little osprey]

Oh god....https://pcpartpicker.com/list/KjQdsk

My younger brother sent me this

[wary geode]

lol i have too much in my account my mom took rent

😦

[errant berry]

lol salvacai that list tho

[wary geode]

im 15 I LIVE IN THE BASEMENT SHE SAID

[errant berry]

lmaoo

[fast dust]

and the H510 has terrible airflow. not to be used with a 10600 and 2070 s

[errant berry]

facts

[wary geode]

lol some dude sent me 100$ as a resrvation

[errant berry]

he wants it tho

[wary geode]

first time that happened

[errant berry]

so i was looking for a replacement with a similar look

[wary geode]

im stuck in chemestry class tho

[little osprey]

@errant berry like I said....younger brother

[errant berry]

lol

[wary geode]

hes big brain same system ill do

maybe a xeon in that socket instead

[little osprey]

Well it's a sTR4 mobo

Can't fit a xeon

[errant berry]

what ab this https://pcpartpicker.com/list/FFnptp

[little osprey]

I would get the ryzen with the stock cooler since your just getting a 2070

[errant berry]

yea i changed that

[little osprey]

Ditch RGB ram, get a teamgroup mp34 instead of the Samsung, put savings into a 2080, 3700, or ur pocket

[errant berry]

he just asked for rgb

so

but that one is a little pricey

[little osprey]

I'd get a vpn100 nvme

Well just don't get Samsung it's way premium priced

^indeed

[errant berry]

true

[little osprey]

I have a 970 Evo plus 1tb, paid almost $190 for it

A vpn100 should be low 100s

[errant berry]

the 1tb for the vpn100 is 150

[little osprey]

Patriot VPN100

[errant berry]

ye

what ab western digital

[little osprey]

Seriously?! $150!?

Also are they planning on upgrading and keeping that platform

[errant berry]

bc i have that one and its good

[fast dust]

CXM has coil whine issues

[little osprey]

Or just that build till the end

[errant berry]

does it

[little osprey]

Back when I checked vpn100 was $114

[wary geode]

joke

[little osprey]

If they want an 8 core or more in the future the tomohawk is great

Otherwise it's unnecessarily expensive

@little osprey would a gigabyte d3sh b450 micro work?

[errant berry]

whats a good psu then

estimated wattage is 439 rn

so would 500 be good or more needed

[little osprey]

I'm not too familiar with motherboards rn

But like I said earlier probably b450 cheapy, or b550 if those are a good price now

@errant berry I have a 5 3600, 570 8gb gpu, 2tb sshd, 1tb hdd, and rgb fans. I'm running 500

[errant berry]

ok

[little osprey]

The gigabyte is $72.99

DS3H micro b450

[vital warren]

just get like an mp34 + 2tb hdd instead of that samsung ssd

2 expensive

[errant berry]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/K7jncq

how ab this

[little osprey]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/hpRzK8/gigabyte-b450m-ds3h-micro-atx-am4-motherboard-b450m-ds3h

[errant berry]

that motherboard

[little osprey]

Here's the Mobo I'm talking about

[errant berry]

gotcha

[little osprey]

It may be pretty basic, but it's affordable

[errant berry]

it says it has compatability issues with the chipset

[little osprey]

Do they plan on upgrading cpu in future?

[errant berry]

idk

[vital warren]

i would suggest the b550 phantom gaming but it shot up to like $160

[errant berry]

what ab the b550m aorus pro

by gigabyte

[little osprey]

ASRock b550 pro-4 micro is 119.99

[errant berry]

bet

[vital warren]

i wish the b550 phantom was back to $115

good budget board

[errant berry]

yea

the tomahawk max is good tho

is it just older?

[wary geode]

billy the avacado

[errant berry]

also this is what i got rn https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xtfdsk

[wary geode]

gucamole'

[little osprey]

It is older and will work, but if any cpu upgrades happen, you'll want better

[errant berry]

gotcha

[vital warren]

so what is your friends budget

[wary geode]

yes

[errant berry]

his parents want to get him a macbook which is like 1800 and he is trying to prove that its cheaper to build a pc

[little osprey]

😂😂😂

[vital warren]

oh not a macbook

[errant berry]

so we want to probably make it 1600 and lower

[vital warren]

oh brother

[little osprey]

It's always cheaper

[errant berry]

just to show its cheaper

[wary geode]

heres something of equal power

[errant berry]

yea lol

[little osprey]

Especially against Crapple

[vital warren]

i'm guessing just gaming / schoolwork?

[errant berry]

yes

[wary geode]

equal power

[errant berry]

but he got the good budget tho

[little osprey]

😂😂

[errant berry]

gotta hook him up

[vital warren]

could prob fit a 2080super + ryzen 5 3600 in there

[little osprey]

If he has 1800, get him a ryzen 9

I'm making a list currently, tryna keep RGB 😂

Joking

[errant berry]

isnt a r5 3600 a little low for a 2080 s tho

[wary geode]

what about a 2080 ti and a core 2 duo

[errant berry]

lmaoo

[wary geode]

might save him a buck

[vital warren]

should be fine for gaming

lmao

[errant berry]

good point

[little osprey]

😂

[vital warren]

should just wait and see the rest of your options when the new gpus come out

[little osprey]

Might be a bit late then tho

[vital warren]

true

[errant berry]

i appreciate the help too

my other friends helping me are stuck on using intel bc they think any ryzen processor bottlenecks a nvidia gpu

[vital warren]

yikes

[little osprey]

@errant berry
Here's my take on it
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Hfb2HB

There we go

[errant berry]

i feel there is something missing

but thats a great list

[little osprey]

Fans and windows

[errant berry]

gotcha

[little osprey]

But it's still a similar price

[errant berry]

but still windows isnt that much

yea

[little osprey]

Is the budget 1350? Or just around

I kept the rgb ram, the storage, case, and psu

[errant berry]

like i said anything below 1800 is okay but the further the better i gotta prove it is cheaper than a macbook

[little osprey]

Actually...you COULD go 3600 ram

[vital warren]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/x69Cjp

idk

[little osprey]

@errant berry my pc cost around $800 and it can beat a macbook

[errant berry]

would 3200 work

[little osprey]

3200 will

[vital warren]

you can get a 3200 kit for like 50

cl16

which is nice

[little osprey]

Is a window necessary?

[errant berry]

ye he just wanted that part rgb specifically

wym window

oh yea

ye he wanted tempered glass

[vital warren]

i added a p good case on the list i sent

[little osprey]

I see one case with RGB and glass but no intake fan xD

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/4MYyzN

Here's my current system

[vital warren]

ill try to make my current system lmao

its doodoo

[little osprey]

Lol

I'm about to replace the 570 with an asus rog Strix 5700xt

[fast dust]

yay

[errant berry]

yea i was planning on getting a 2060s or 3060s depending on the prices

[fast dust]

wait strix

no dont get strix

asus for AMD cards usually sucks

and in this case

it definitely does

[vital warren]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/BzQdsk this is my build rn lmao

prices are

wack'

[fast dust]

sick

[errant berry]

whats a good 2060s card

is founders any good

[little osprey]

What I'm getting

[fast dust]

founders is meh

DONT GET STRIX FOR 5700 XT

[spiral zealot]

the FE coolers aren't bad, but they're a little overpriced overall

[vital warren]

theres a tri fan gigabyte card 2060s

will probably be good

idk

[little osprey]

@fast dust I personally don't care. I'm not telling shcuup to

[spiral zealot]

historical prices on things are crazy on pcpp lol, my current system supposedly costs way more than it would have new

[little osprey]

Lol

i only managed to make the RAM RGB, set up an rgb light strip in it seperatley, but here ya go https://pcpartpicker.com/list/6c8Qtp

of course, dip down the cpu or gpu if its too pricey

[fast dust]

DDR4 3333?

thats wacky

[little osprey]

hahaha

i guess at that price, go up to 3600

Snake are you ok? That's a wacky RAM number

it was the best value xD

but fine fine il change it

[fast dust]

and idk if thats rgb it might not be

[little osprey]

I've only ever seen 3200 and 3600.

And it's not rgb

it has all the colors sh

u can customise the light strip lol

its a 2080 super and 3700x for 1500 leave me alone it has the colors xD

If you say so

WAIT

We're forgetting a monitor

[spiral zealot]

there were more speed options earlier in DDR4 lifecycle, i've seen sets of 3733 before as well

[little osprey]

....does this person need a monitor.....

That gpu I added just jumped up 300 bucks wtf

this would be my build for that budget https://pcpartpicker.com/list/WMLc27

Of course I recommend no one buys a Turing card

Hypothetically tho

[rigid ibex]

Hi I am wondering if it is bad to put the fans on the other side of radiator? I am putting pic in build picks

[little osprey]

Either side it dosent matter really, 1c difference

Go with what looks nicer

[rigid ibex]

Ok so it does not matter

[little osprey]

It's extremely negligible

Just make sure they the right direction lol

[rigid ibex]

Ok I’m using the Corsair h100i with i9 10900k so

Wdym

[little osprey]

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/The_Commander/saved/hRWtnQ
I don't know what case I'm using yet, and I can't change the mobo/processor. Any thoughts?

[spiral zealot]

@rigid ibex that's fine, if you're setting it up as an intake like that, doing it in push or pull will be fine

i did mine in push because i wanted to see the RGB through the front mesh of the case, but that was the only reason

[rigid ibex]

Ok that is what I want to do just wanted to make sure it was fine

[little osprey]

my thoughts on that build would only be helpful to your wallet lol, i9 and 2060? Very strange

[rigid ibex]

Thanks

[little osprey]

Audio production + gamer on the side is the only sense of can make for that

I got the i9 for less than 350$, and it's gonna be a 3060s whenever that happens

Don't wait for super, it may not exist

still

3060/70

Ima probably also get a 3060 I can't friggin wait

same

I'm going to get a 3090 TI

I don't think that will ever exist xD

For my 5 3600

90 is the new ti

Better?

Titan branding is now 90, and TI branding is now super

?

I'm confused

I'm staying radeon now

I'm saying they probably won't call anything a TI anymore, they call it a 3090 instead

Oh...

Instead of a 3080 ti

Or titan

Ti stands for titan?

And future updates will be called supers

Probably

I thought that was a separate card

so 3060ti or...

It is seperate

But ti is a play on it

🤔

Brain hurts

3060 only.... But if AMD can beat them, they will release stronger cards called supers

Marketing cards as titan and TI is in the past probably

That face looks like my grandfather

Unless 30 series flops worse than Comet Lake Big Navi may become Big Baby

It's possible

😂

Wait comet lake? Now we're mixing GPU and CPU talk

Yeah

Oh I see what u meant

If Ampere screws up like Comet lake

What I find funny is my 5 3600 is almost on par with a 9-900k

[still roost]

Old_SnakeTwitch#8147 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[little osprey]

Same cores, but i9 is faster, just barely

But 3x the price.

That is false

I9 way stronger

You wanna compare it to the 3700/3800

Ok my bad, so 9 has 2 more cores

Or a 3900x since the price is still probably similiar xD

Yeah

3900x was more expensive at the time

350$ i9

But wayyyy stronger

Everything has hyperthreading

^

The second AMD got HT Intel yeeted themself

Lol

Now Intel's like.... We can make GPUs tho right? 😭🙏

Apple level gou

Save us avengers

*gpu

Intel IG-40 prototype gpu

Conan and the avengers

My laptop had a 620 UHD

Was advertised as 1660 level gpu

Barely had 1gb of memory on it

Wtf where

Office depot

Friggin scam

My laptop isn't even sold anymore lmao

Really hard scam

I junked it a few weeks ago, took hard drives and what I could and put them i to my desktop

What made it worse was it was sold for $400

NEW

And u paid?

But I needed a computer, had $500, so I bought it

Oh I see

I really only needed it for school work and light gaming so ...

Yikes tho

Yeah

What cpu is that?

Actually I really have no idea about laptop prices

Came with 4gb ram, 16gb optane memory, 1tb hdd, i3-8130U

4gb o.O

2133 ram

Is this 2005

I eventually upgraded to 16gb 2133 Corsair vengence ram, 1tb samsung 970 Evo plus, 2tb Seagate Firecuda sshd

And no 2019

Oof

Alot of upgrading

Yeah

:(

And then I built the desktop using the hard drives from that

There is no budget PC anymore, low end is powerful and expensive, the rest is just trash, u really have to go used, but used is pretty sweet right now

Thing is I tried to go used, but always got ripped off, so I buy new

I never have but all the used PC YouTubers don't really have issues -shrug-