building-and-recc-chat

[little osprey]

give me a sec

looking around

[dense reef]

For a total of $400, np

[little osprey]

what socket is it

the cpu

[dense reef]

F@#$ I dont remember of the top of my head I believe it is an i7

[little osprey]

the socket

no the cpu itself

[sand falcon]

What is the part number?

[dense reef]

Yes I said I dont remember

[sand falcon]

See if you can find it

[dense reef]

Hold on...

[sand falcon]

Don't worry about the socket, just like the 9700k part of it

[dense reef]

I dont know, I'm not at home rn

Sorry

[little osprey]

ok

when you get home

send it here

[dense reef]

...ok thanks for the help

[little osprey]

if its a lga 1151

i recommend a deepcool gammaxx 400 cpu cooler

nice cooler

for a good price

[sand falcon]

What's the price on it?

It really depends on what CPU he has exactly

And any plans on overclocking

[dense reef]

I dont, I just think it is loud and I want it to be less loud yknow

[sand falcon]

Probably a Noctua or bequiet then

[dense reef]

So cpu cooler and prob a mobo idk

[sand falcon]

The PC is already built?

Can probably just upgrade the cooler and not worry about the mobo

[dense reef]

Is the Omen mobo pretty good?

[sand falcon]

Omen?

[little osprey]

i dont think you can uprade your mobo

its a prebuilt

[sand falcon]

Without knowing what CPU you have, it's going to be know what motherboard will work

@little osprey A decent number of prebuilts use standard ATX

[little osprey]

ok

[sacred chasm]

Thoughts

?

[mossy citrus]

Replace the portrait monitor, bad viewing angles

[sacred chasm]

I’m trying this out for a bit

[mossy citrus]

Overall good

Better than mine

[sacred chasm]

It looks better when I’m sitting at my chair

Well I’ve been stuck

I couldn't decide

[sand falcon]

I want a portrait monitor. I really need to just get a vesa mount

[potent prairie]

I like the vertical setup. More unique

[keen moss]

can see more too

on discord and twitter stuff like that

[keen moss]

i feel like an nzxt h500 black would look good with your rig

@gaunt igloo

[stoic island]

screw nzxt

nzxt bad

[keen moss]

they’re good cases

why are they bad

[stoic island]

airflow

[keen moss]

their airflow is fine

???

[stoic island]

look at the front panel

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[keen moss]

it’s not solid

[stoic island]

h510 does fine with gpu thermals with the weird stock setup

but cpu

[keen moss]

it has a grill on the side

[stoic island]

air doesn't exactly like being pulled 90 degrees yaknow

[keen moss]

i’m sure air doesn’t like being pulled in the first place

[stoic island]

good example is the H500p

bad airflow

put mesh in front

H500m

good case

[keen moss]

saying an nzxt case doesn’t have good airflow is like saying a mask is hard to breathe in

[stoic island]

Hell gimme a sec I'll grab numbers

[keen moss]

it’s almost exactly the same

[spiral zealot]

when nzxt themselves cracks jokes about their airflow on twitter, you know it's bad

[keen moss]

but it isn’t that bad

it works fine

[stoic island]

if you just took off the front panel, 15c better thermals

[keen moss]

well it’s not like he’s running a monster of a system

[stoic island]

why get worse thermals for no reason?

:P

[keen moss]

he has an rx 580

[stoic island]

It's a tradeoff I'm not willing to make

[keen moss]

his case has worse thermals

[stoic island]

okay

[deep skiff]

@stoic island ur talking about the elite tho to be fair

[stoic island]

elite is the same thing tho

[keen moss]

there’s a missing side panel

[stoic island]

except with extra fans iirc

[keen moss]

so an h500 would be an upgrade

[stoic island]

doesn't elite come with 2 fans in the front?

[deep skiff]

i think the elite might have less holes on the fide

side

[stoic island]

don't have a good pic but they look to be the same

the h510 elite pic is more slanted

looks to be the same holes tho

anyways my point is

if you can buy a case with better airflow

why not

I'll support you all the way if you go Coolermaster H500

that case actually has good airflow with a mesh front panel

or say Coolermaster TD500 mesh

Phanteks P400a

Phanteks P300a

anyways

[mellow basalt]

Do I need a hdd?

Cause I got a 1tb ssd?

[deep skiff]

unless you fill up the ssd id just stick with the ssd

[stoic island]

you don't need another hdd

just buy one when you need more storage

[mellow basalt]

K so as soon as I run out get a hdd

[stoic island]

when you're about 80% full get a hdd

don't fill the SSD up to the brim

[mellow basalt]

K thx guys 😄

[edgy wagon]

Should i upgrade gpu, cooling from wraith to aio, or my case?

[mellow basalt]

What are some good gpus?

For like $200-$250?

[edgy wagon]

that zone is kinda empty

for 280 you can get a 2060 ko or a used 5600 xt

if you are lucky a 5700 or a 1080 is also possible

those are most of the sub 300 cards

under 200 is 1650 super and rx 580 / 590

[next kestrel]

1660 super???

[edgy wagon]

hmm

true

kinda forgot that existed...

[next kestrel]

gtx 980 ti

gtx 1070

vega 64 i guess even

[spiral zealot]

i'm an amd guy at heart, but i've been seriously thinking about picking up a 1660 super recently

if i can manage to sell one of these PC's i'm trying to flip, that might be how i reward myself lol

[mellow basalt]

@next kestrel this?: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/LkmFf7/gigabyte-geforce-gtx-1660-super-6-gb-gaming-video-card-gv-n166sgaming-6gd

[next kestrel]

yea thats good

[bright shale]

thanks for finding my next gpu

[mellow basalt]

?

@next kestrel thx cause someone gave me this: https://www.microcenter.com/product/617282/gigabyte-geforce-gtx-1650-super-windforce-oc-overclocked-dual-fan-4gb-gddr6-pcie-30-graphics-card but it’s out of stock

And I don’t think that’s better than the 1660

[next kestrel]

1660 super is better

[mellow basalt]

What’s the difference between the gaming and the super?

[next kestrel]

gaming is 1660 chipset

super is better

[little osprey]

does anyone have asus as their motherboard?

[bright shale]

yeah

@little osprey

[next tangle]

good setup for competitive gaming and streaming for under 1500$? a little above https://pcpartpicker.com/list/z9CJK4

[mellow basalt]

I got a question @next tangle

Why do you need 2 mice, and 2 headsets?

[vital warren]

maybe he rages

i threw my old g502 at a window and it cracked

[little osprey]

@little osprey
@bright shale can i message you privately?

[mellow basalt]

@vital warren 😂

[bright shale]

sure

[next tangle]

@mellow basalt there isn't 2 mice and 2 headsets?

[next tangle]

uhh

lol do you see what they're called

[mellow basalt]

I wasn’t paying attention at all I was just reading the labels

I saw 4 monitors, 1 keyboard, 2 mice, 2 headphones, and the custom ones

[next tangle]

oh lol

it's all good

[mellow basalt]

So what are those then cause I can’t check rn cause I’m doing something on my Xbox

[next tangle]

model o- and 3xl glorious mouse pad, dt990 pros and headphone amps

[mellow basalt]

K gotcha sorry for the misunderstanding lol

[next tangle]

nono all good 😄

[mellow basalt]

Pretty cool setup though, you must be a really competitive player

[next tangle]

lol that's what i'm shootin for

[mellow basalt]

What’s the game?

Siege, LoL, rocket league, overwatch, or CSGO?

[next tangle]

siege, fortnite, csgo

I play multiple games

[mellow basalt]

Sweet

[fleet pagoda]

Thinking about getting gk61 mechanical keyboard

U guys heard of it b4?

[next tangle]

yeah

[mellow basalt]

Yea

[next tangle]

if you want it, go for it

[fleet pagoda]

I hear its faster than the apex pro tkl

[next tangle]

same

I tested it out, it's not

[fleet pagoda]

Same speed?

[next tangle]

at least from my experience

nope, slower

[fleet pagoda]

Damn

[next tangle]

people just say that

to get your attention to the video

[fleet pagoda]

Would u recommend it i jus have the ibuypower mek3

[next tangle]

i mean, when you're picking peripherals, it all really comes down to preference

so, if you like the keyboard, go for it 😄

[fleet pagoda]

I heard that the yellow switches have a faster response time

And its 0.2 i think i might get ot

[thorny bronze]

anyone know why my head set isnt detected after bios update

[fleet pagoda]

Are optical gateron switches faster than like normal switches

[spiral zealot]

oy vey, i guess i'm gonna be starting ANOTHER build soon, since i just came into a full cpu/ram/mobo combo

and i have some eextra GPU's lying around

just need a case/psu i think

[wispy matrix]

4k Pc perferably AMD

[sand falcon]

Budget?

[wispy matrix]

4000

[sand falcon]

4000 USD?

[wispy matrix]

ye

[sand falcon]

Use case?

[wispy matrix]

need a case

[sand falcon]

Sorry. What will you be using the PC for?

[wispy matrix]

Gaming Streaming and Editing

[sand falcon]

How much editing, and will it be at 4k?

[wispy matrix]

Just For Yt vids and no not at 4k

[sand falcon]

Are you sure you don't want intel?

[buoyant flame]

That'll be the easiest list bob ever makes lol

Ya, at 4k usd, intel is a solid option

[wispy matrix]

i want AMD

[sand falcon]

Any particular reason?

[wispy matrix]

i never liked Intel for some reason

[sand falcon]

Fair enough

[wispy matrix]

ive had intel computers before and i just never liked it

[buoyant flame]

3900xt should be good then

[sand falcon]

How soon do you need the PC?

[wispy matrix]

about 1 month

[wary geode]

Uh I just sold a Pc to a SoCal media member of the nba

[buoyant flame]

Oh wow

[sand falcon]

Would you be able to do two or three? There's a crap ton of super powerful new parts coming out in a bit. Any PC that you build now, no matter how powerful, will be outclassed

[wary geode]

Uh about to meet him and he’s about to see a 6-7 10th grader

[buoyant flame]

You should of told him you were interested in scholarship 😉

[wary geode]

😂

[wispy matrix]

i can do 2-3 months

[wary geode]

Im excited

[buoyant flame]

I would be too

[sand falcon]

Cool

I'm hoping that with that budget you could get a 4950x with 30[8/9]0ti(s?)

Probably 32GB ram, might as well with editing

Plus a 1TB ssd and maybe a set of 2TB HDDs for storage

[wispy matrix]

what about a 4tb HDD

[sand falcon]

You could, but two 2TB HDDs will be faster

[wispy matrix]

yeah we can Do the set of 2tb HDD

[sand falcon]

Cool

Unfortunantly, there's not much I can set in stone at this point, since I don't know what the next gen parts will cost and what they will work well with. I can get a "rough guess" list together though

[wispy matrix]

i can look at it

[sand falcon]

Do you need wifi?

[wispy matrix]

wym by wifi

[stoic island]

3950x

[sand falcon]

Will you connect to the ethernet with a cable or wirelessly

Build will be after the new parts Mr1

[wispy matrix]

wireless

[sand falcon]

No option for wired? It's a lot better

[wispy matrix]

i have my router downstairs and i have my gaming room upstairs

[sand falcon]

Dang

How is it that the gaming room is always in a different part of the house 😦

[stoic island]

alright

[wispy matrix]

idk its how it was setup didnt think it through

[sand falcon]

Any chance of moving the router?

[wispy matrix]

nope

[sand falcon]

Dang

https://pcpartpicker.com/products/case/
Here. Find a case that looks nice

[celest horizon]

Fish a 100ft cat5e cable through the ac/heating ducts

[stoic island]

TD500 mesh is good

[sand falcon]

If you pick the nxzt h510, I will have to hurt you

[stoic island]

P400a too

CM H500 is good

[sand falcon]

Prices right now.... smh

Why is the more powerful PSU cheaper

[wispy matrix]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Hwkj4D/lian-li-pc-o11dx-atx-full-tower-case-pc-o11dx

[stoic island]

because

O11 is a good case once you add in some fans

[sand falcon]

Looks very nice

[stoic island]

ya

[sand falcon]

This gets some noctua brown fans

jk

Do you want a tower cooler, AIO, or custom loop?

[wary geode]

Yep just sold it to a Instagram twitter manager for a nba team

[wispy matrix]

hmm

[sand falcon]

This case has a lot of fan mounts

[wary geode]

Damn he was so nice and shocked by my height

[wispy matrix]

u do what ever is best bc im new to this

[stoic island]

yea

[sand falcon]

If you're new, AIO or tower. It's a looks thing

[stoic island]

it's like 360mm everywhere iirc

[wispy matrix]

AIO?

[stoic island]

All-in-one

[potent prairie]

All in one. Closed water cool loop

[celest horizon]

Get a Noctua U12a

[wispy matrix]

yeah AIO

[stoic island]

why tho

[sand falcon]

Because brown noctua in a lian li case looks really good

[stoic island]

u12a is eh

[wispy matrix]

[junior current]

Which is better a Gigabyte Geforce GTX 1050 Ti OC 4GB GDDR5 128 Bit PCI-E or a ASRock Phantom Gaming D Radeon RX 570 DirectX 12 RX570 4G 4GB 256-Bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready

[wispy matrix]

570

[sand falcon]

Do you want RGB Officer?

[wispy matrix]

ye

[sand falcon]

rx 570

😦

I don't like doing rgb builds

[wispy matrix]

[potent prairie]

[buoyant flame]

:nitro_corsair_rgb:

[potent prairie]

I don't think that worked lol

[buoyant flame]

Nope

[wispy matrix]

[buoyant flame]

I can dream cant i

[sand falcon]

Nope

Only dream can dream

[potent prairie]

I tried playing a FPS with a controller today. Dunno how people do it

[wispy matrix]

i use both its ez

[sand falcon]

Aiming with a controller is tricky

[potent prairie]

Never played with a controller before, keyboard is so much easier for me

[wispy matrix]

i like aiming with both

either ones i will be hitting headshots

[potent prairie]

I'm great with a sniper on my mouse

But I am trash with a controller

[stoic island]

aim assist I assume gets your more familiar with using controller

[sand falcon]

Yeah

[wispy matrix]

i never used aim assist

[sand falcon]

Aim assist is nice

[stoic island]

because that allows you to shoot in their direction while still hitting

until you get used to it

[wispy matrix]

first time i kept hitting headshots

[sand falcon]

That sounds like aim assist

Most games enable it automatically for controllers

[wispy matrix]

nah i def disabled it

[stoic island]

lol

[sand falcon]

Okay then

I don't play games that much, so idk

[wispy matrix]

i play WoW Gta

[sand falcon]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/m6WX8M
There we go. Even if I did grossly underestimate the prices of the new parts, there's enough budget leftover here for a good monitor and peripherals

[stoic island]

why no x570

what's with the weird ram freq+latency?

and what's with the one extra fan?

now that I'm looking at it, o11 doesn't have a rear fan slot

[sand falcon]

I figured b550 would be fine, and I took my best stab at a zen3 infinity fabric

Fan is a two pack

There's room to bump it to an x570 if need be

[stoic island]

not sure, just remembered x570 was supposed to be out of box compatible with 4th gen or smth

prob just imagining things

[sand falcon]

It's a rough hack list. A lot will depend on the final production specs. b550 and x570 should both work out of box

[stoic island]

yea we'll see

[sand falcon]

If not, it's a gigabyte board

CPU free bios flash ftw

That's a super nice feature in my opnion. I don't see why more companies don't implement it

[stoic island]

?

MSI has bios flashback if that's what you're talking about?

[sand falcon]

Gigabyte motherboards you can flash a new bios without cpu, gpu, or ram installed

[stoic island]

yea

same with msi

[sand falcon]

Yeah

[stoic island]

95% of MSI boards has the bios flashback thing

just need psu and mobo

[sand falcon]

More companies need to do it though

[stoic island]

ya

Asus

Asus supposed to be high end

and doesn't have it

[sand falcon]

Nope

ASRock doesn't either. Granted, they have a reputation for being more budget

[stoic island]

yea

MSI and Gigabyte are seen as the mid end

but they got bios flashback

[sand falcon]

Yeah

I forgot this board has thunderbolt...

Oh well

@wispy matrix If you use this mobo, don't leave your PC unattended in public areas

[stoic island]

?

[wispy matrix]

?

[sand falcon]

Is a joke

[stoic island]

Bob, it's in an O11, you think they'll carry it around?

lol

[wispy matrix]

its not a NZXT H1 that u can CARRY around in ur backpack and like let me plug this in and chill

[sand falcon]

Just carry around a half rack every where you go...

"Don't mind me. Never know when you need to whip out some fortnite"

[stoic island]

lol

bring a 4u server rack

[wispy matrix]

bruh i dont play fortnite

[stoic island]

who knows when you need to render something

[sand falcon]

I think half rack is usually around 16u

[wispy matrix]

imagine having a Bag big enough to carry the 011

alright im gonna drive to my friends house with my 4k dollar PC

[stoic island]

yeep

just have your hdds shake around in there

[celest horizon]

You can just buy a bunch of (x)u server, or even atx cases and stack them on shelves like I do (and get made fun of by your nerd friends)

[stoic island]

forky just wheel it around

[wispy matrix]

some dude tried buying a 30k dollar pc

that prob wasnt worth it

[stoic island]

was it called a "mac pro"?

[sand falcon]

Linus Tech Tips?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_IHSRPVqwQ
This guy?

[wispy matrix]

i saw that vid and no

[sand falcon]

Some other guy

[wispy matrix]

Polecat324fanToday at 9:40 PM
I’m about to buy a $30,000 computer in stead of my car.

[sand falcon]

There are legit uses for computer that expensive or more. It's just not gaming

[stoic island]

ya

smth like 5000 is the upper limit of gaming performance

[sand falcon]

Unless you go extreme OC

[stoic island]

even with like 1000$ in custom loop

:P

[sand falcon]

I was thinking some heavy duty condensors

[stoic island]

ah

[little osprey]

are wireless keyboards worth it?

[sand falcon]

Depends on what for

If you're gaming, no

[little osprey]

gaming/editing setup

i dont do any competitive

[stoic island]

you could have them for gaming

[sand falcon]

Gaming it will hurt you

[little osprey]

just light gaming

[stoic island]

it's just expensive

[wispy matrix]

i Do not recommend wireless

[sand falcon]

Mostly, your keyboard isn't gonna move that much so there's no real reason to go wireless

I have a wireless keyboard mouse combo for work, but that's about it

[little osprey]

I'm thinking about a logitech g502 litespeed though

currently have a g502

[stoic island]

A good enough wireless keyboard is as good as wired in gaming :P

[sand falcon]

It's more expensive though

[stoic island]

Yea

[little osprey]

idc aout price tbh

[stoic island]

but if you're willing to get more expensive

your choice

if you want to idk type on the toilet

[little osprey]

im more interested in a wireless mouse

[stoic island]

g pro good

[little osprey]

nah im in love with the g502

[stoic island]

:P

[little osprey]

i use basically all the buttons as macros for editing

[sand falcon]

Wireless mouse is nice

[drifting timber]

anyone waiting on the cpu gpu coming out?

[wispy matrix]

?

[sand falcon]

I'm waiting, but not to buy

[wispy matrix]

the 4th ryzen gen?

[sand falcon]

Yeah

[stoic island]

we're all waiting

[little osprey]

@drifting timber there will always be new parts out around the corner that will be better, buy what works now

if you wait for the new cpu and gpu rtx 3000 series, then you're already in January and the 3000 super series will be around the corner

its an endless cycle

[stoic island]

I mean

it's a yearly cycle

[sand falcon]

Sure

[little osprey]

not yearly

[stoic island]

and when you're ~2 months off

[little osprey]

more like every 6 month cycle

[stoic island]

might as well wait

[sand falcon]

Yearly

[little osprey]

ah yeah

[stoic island]

how is it 6 month..?

[sand falcon]

Super doesn't really count

[little osprey]

i mean 6 month by like new parts of everything will be coming soon

[stoic island]

even super was like 1 year tho

[little osprey]

every 6 months or so some new part comes that is much better than the other

[stoic island]

I'd say every year

so there's 2 months a year where it's good to wait

[sand falcon]

Ampere is also a lot bigger than the previous new releases

[little osprey]

not as big as maxwell to pascal

[sand falcon]

Eh

I'd say about the same

[little osprey]

def not

[sand falcon]

For gamers maybe not

High end users it's big though

[wispy matrix]

bob btw what if i wanted to do without the New Tech btw

[little osprey]

plus being an early adopter to new generations always comes with drawbacks

[tepid basalt]

just wait

[little osprey]

buggy first drivers

stock issues

high prices

[tepid basalt]

why arguing over something doesn't even exist

[stoic island]

lol

[sand falcon]

If you wanted without the new tech, go 3950x, 2080ti, 3600MHz ram

[stoic island]

I'll make a list >:D

[little osprey]

imagine paying double the price for 10% more performance

2080s to 2080ti

[sand falcon]

High end it's usually not too bad

[wispy matrix]

it exists but it hasent been released to the public

[stoic island]

overkill time

[little osprey]

high end isnt buying ryzens or rtxs

[sand falcon]

Imagine not having a 4k budget Riisee

High end gaming

[little osprey]

they're buying epycs and quadros

ah

[sand falcon]

Those aren't for gaming

Also, quadro isn't high end

[little osprey]

i thought u ment production work

yes it is lmao

[sand falcon]

High end is tesla

[little osprey]

thats ai

[sand falcon]

No

[tepid basalt]

you mean tesla

[sand falcon]

That's high end raw compute

[wispy matrix]

a TESLA ISNT A GAMING PC

[sand falcon]

You are right there officer

[little osprey]

we're talking about nvidia

[stoic island]

didn't they rename it

to not confuse with tesla

[celest horizon]

Quadro for the sync connector, 48GB vram, and driver support. Tesla for unlocked FP32/FP64 etc

[stoic island]

forgot the new name

[sand falcon]

Dunno

I'll check

It's still a tesla in my heart though Elon can go ||find a new name||

[little osprey]

nvidia tesla is something that you cant really get your hands on unless you work in a datacenter with supercomputers

quadro is basically the highest end that anyone can buy

[sand falcon]

I'd say same with epyc

[wispy matrix]

imagine a tesla with a built in gaming pc

[tepid basalt]

it's Ampere now

[little osprey]

@sand falcon epyc is like quadro, you can get your hands on one if you can pay

[tepid basalt]

Tesla no more

[sand falcon]

Same with the teslas. If you pay, you get

[little osprey]

thats jumping from a $10,000 nvidia quadro

to a $100,000 gpu

[sand falcon]

It's not that expensive

A100 is being listed at around 14k

[celest horizon]

quadro 8000 is like 5500, tesla v100 was like 10k?

[wispy matrix]

when u have a g613

[stoic island]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/CgD8Gc

[little osprey]

the tesla is like 20% better than the quadro

for 2x the price

[celest horizon]

I posted the difference earlier

Different cards, different use case

[little osprey]

exactly

[sand falcon]

I mean, diminishing returns and all

For some cases, tesla beats quadro hands down

[little osprey]

tesla is mainly for machine learning

[stoic island]

anyways looks like there's no more "tesla" naming

just refered to as a100

[little osprey]

quadro is for video production

rtx is for gaming

[sand falcon]

tesla is mainly for HPC, which is to the public center is mostly ML

It's used for a lot of other things

[little osprey]

@stoic island https://gyazo.com/dd8bbd722925d1cfa7ec11aa63cede3e

tesla is still shown on the site

[sand falcon]

That's the old one

The a100 is new

[little osprey]

ah

[sand falcon]

Checked prices, a v100 is currently about 7.5k

A bit less than 100k, don't you think?

[stoic island]

no

I mean the newer ones

[sand falcon]

Yeah, the a100 is just the a100

[little osprey]

@sand falcon nobody is going to buy a single nvidia a100 or v100

[sand falcon]

No

That would be dumb

[little osprey]

datacenters will be spending atleast $100k

[stoic island]

it's possible

[little osprey]

which is why i said $100k

[sand falcon]

You don't do HPC with a single GPU

[stoic island]

but it's mostly in like dgx or whatever it's called

yea dgx

[sand falcon]

We spent 42k for our tesla rig

[little osprey]

quadros is more possible with single gpus

[stoic island]

Should've bought a DGX ;)

[sand falcon]

As I said, a bit less

Also, that cost is including CPU, ram, storage, and power delivery

[stoic island]

Doesn't the dgx come with that

[sand falcon]

Yes

We didn't get a DGX though

Those are like OEM builds--overpriced

For the GPUs, we spent 28k

Again, a bit less than 100k

[stoic island]

fair nuff

just dgx was avaliable earlier than a100 iirc

[sand falcon]

dgx has been out for the past few generations. They've just been kinda lackluster until now

[stoic island]

I mean DGX with a100

[sand falcon]

Ah

Yeah

[stoic island]

I've only recently heard a100 being avaliable retail

but dgx with a100 earlier

[sand falcon]

We got this system a while back though. It's from the p100 era

[little osprey]

https://gyazo.com/d02d4e4636ec6aa565b776a3109b9b85

thats a beaut

[sand falcon]

I dunno. The fuzzy top is weird

[little osprey]

its definitely tacky

[sand falcon]

Also kinda hard to put in a server room or cluster

[little osprey]

https://gyazo.com/e68070e2ba40ad9baded1d66e0442091

thats what these are for

https://gyazo.com/5e0d987306810c84aa3f8d3139d34cc8

https://gyazo.com/b9d6910ac56dbca36d2a375fee26cfe3

[stoic island]

dunno

[sand falcon]

Basically the station is for if you only need a single system

[stoic island]

feels like carpet

but who's gonna have a server room with carpet?

[little osprey]

$50,000 carpet

[stoic island]

whole thing with server rooms is wheeling servers around

not exactly a job for carpet

[little osprey]

https://gyazo.com/cadd3bc0dc822565fe827f8d0170a295

thats a clean system right there

[sand falcon]

You usually don't wheel them that much

Eh. the station is kinda weird. It's basically designed specifically for the use cases that we were just saying you wou'dn't use the tesla for

[little osprey]

yeah teslas are literally for mass compute

but whatever

it looks cool

[stoic island]

eh

[little osprey]

most likely just made for showcase

[stoic island]

I mean maybe they mean it for Linus to do 8 gamer 1 CPU?

[sand falcon]

Give me a fully loaded server rack any day

[little osprey]

nah they just made the workstation to be their show pc

nobody would actually buy it

[sand falcon]

There's probably some people that buy it, but yeah

[little osprey]

people like linus lol

but no real company would buy them

[sand falcon]

I'm sure there's some company with them

[little osprey]

not datacenters thats for sure

[sand falcon]

Well yeah

[little osprey]

probably rich people who have too much money lol

[severe bloom]

Those are the types of systems they donate to universities and hospitals

[sand falcon]

Some company with upper management that saw the pretty advertising though... I can see it

For me, give me the pcie cards any day and let us build our own system around our specs

[little osprey]

you'd be lucky to get a response back from them unless youre a datacenter

[sand falcon]

....

....

we kinda are

[little osprey]

i know that

but im talking the average person

[sand falcon]

We're a public university with a one room data center for our engineering department. They sold to us

[stoic island]

The average person wouldn't know what Nvidia is

[little osprey]

the average gamer

[sand falcon]

If you have the money, they sell

We're not talking about gaming. We're talking about high end

[little osprey]

nobody in high end doesnt use datacenters for ai deep learning

[stoic island]

There isn't a easy way to describe the niche we're talking

[sand falcon]

You'd be surprised

[stoic island]

HEDT people

[sand falcon]

More and more high end has been going serverless

[severe bloom]

@little osprey wrong, my company hosts all its own servers since were in the financial industry and we take security serious

[little osprey]

okay

[sand falcon]

nobody in high end doesnt use datacenters for ai deep learning
@little osprey Again, not really

[little osprey]

universities i get

maybe offices

[sand falcon]

Big companies too

[little osprey]

well ofc

[sand falcon]

Serverless is getting really good

[little osprey]

however people who are looking to spend this much is likely going to want more than one

such as hollywood studios etc

[severe bloom]

we host websites in the cloud thats it, everything else is on site

[sand falcon]

Hollywood is usually more CPU heavy it seems

[little osprey]

not at all

special effects utilize gpu

[sand falcon]

Also a lot of CPU

[little osprey]

also disney's render engine also uses gpu

[sand falcon]

Also a lot of CPU

There's too much non-deterministic and non-linear to be efficient on pure GPU

[stoic island]

Do either of you work for Disney or something similar

[little osprey]

my parents work in the movie industry

[stoic island]

If not, find them sources

[little osprey]

so yes, they do have info as they know some of the effects artists there

[stoic island]

They prob have their own proprietary software

[little osprey]

they do

[stoic island]

Keep that in mind

[little osprey]

they have their own render engine

pixar has renderman

disney has hyperion

[ebon fulcrum]

what are your thoughts on the ASUS ROG B450 F-Gaming? sorry to intrude lol

[sand falcon]

My sources are: particle simulation and rigging suck on GPU. The sensible thing would be to generate the scene on CPU and then transfer to GPU, going back and fourth between the two

[severe bloom]

If you want a decent read about how network rendering was done for blender https://arachnoid.com/python/blender_network_render/index.html

[stoic island]

Decent board

[sand falcon]

It's a good mobo

Maybe a tad expensive

[stoic island]

B450 should be just around 120$

Not bad

[ebon fulcrum]

thanks. I just felt like the b450 tomahawk wasnt exactly ideal.

[little osprey]

also

you can use renderman yourself for free

https://renderman.pixar.com/store

[sand falcon]

With some stipulations for use cases I'm assuming?

[stoic island]

Non commercial

[sand falcon]

I'm loving this article btw

Preach!

[stoic island]

Lolol

Where's that guy from earlier that said Linux had to come from 4chan

Need them here now

[sand falcon]

lol

I'm liking this interface for the cluster render

BTW, I found some guy trying to get a minecraft server distributed over a cluster earlier today

Not like one server per machine. Just one server running across a whole slew of machines

Didn't seem to grasp the idea that it doesn't work that way

[celest horizon]

over is somewhat popular for minecraft hosting

[sand falcon]

That's usually for multiple individual servers and backups

This guy wanted a single server instance running on a bunch of opterons

[vestal latch]

can someone help me out?

[soft bison]

what you need help with

[proven sand]

This is a tad random question, but... If one was to get a Mid-Tower ATX case... and get a Micro ATX Mobo to start... would that be doable..? Or should I just say screw it and go for the Mid-Tower ATX Mobo? 😛

...Don`t see myself needing a Full-Tower, is my reasoning 😛

[deep skiff]

i'd go atx, the micro atx doesnt really have any benefits for an atx case and has less things like m.2 slots, pcie slots, etc

[soft bison]

micro atx works in a full tower, but doesn't really utilize the features that a full atx case, so if you go for an atx case might as well get an atx mobo, but if you're set on a micro atx mobo then find a micro atx case

[proven sand]

...Understood. 100%. Thank you.

[stoic island]

mATX is just ATX except smaller with a few less ports

It works

But you could get more from ATX board

[proven sand]

Yeah, I`m just debating which Chipset at this point... Don't see myself needing anything more than 64GB memory.... That's what I have on my current laptop, so I'm keeping it at the moment unless I specifically NEED to get more RAM 😛

[cinder wedge]

Hey guys, I was wondering how do I find out what type of RGB strips I can use with my motherboard

[stoic island]

Check what ports are on

[little osprey]

Hello

[stoic island]

Likely normal 12v rgb

[little osprey]

Is this the troubleshooting channel

[stoic island]

Could have 5v argb tho

Kinda

[sand falcon]

hi

I don't want to devour your computational power

[stoic island]

I do

[proven sand]

... Any suggestions on a worthwhile ATX Mobo to add to this? I`m looking to keep it kinda close to 1k, but if needed/more worthwhile, willing to go higher. Not looking for anything crazy, just, yknow, trying to get something thats a good starter setup.

[stoic island]

I'm gonna assume it's am4
B550 ds3h

[proven sand]

...Will look into that. Looking for 64MB boards, unless 128 ends up being more worthwhile in the long run. 😛

[stoic island]

64mb as in what

[proven sand]

I`m losing my mind trying to find it, only to realize that's Micro ATX...

64mb as in the RAM supported..?

[stoic island]

Bios size?
Meant to say 64gb supported ram..?
???

Lol we're way past 64mb of ram

We're on GBs of ram now

[proven sand]

.... That was a "Me at 1 AM" comment.

[stoic island]

Is ok

[proven sand]

Apologies.

Yes, I meant 64 GB.

[stoic island]

Ds3h is a great board for having a board that works, doesn't need to be fancy or got wifi

Cheap board*

[proven sand]

Looking for an ATX board :P

Micro ATX is ok, but I figure if I have a Mid-Tower ATX case, might as well get an ATX board.

[stoic island]

It supports 128gb of ram btw

[proven sand]

...oh.

Sounds appealing.

Upgradability is a +

[stoic island]

Only the lowest end boards today or itx boards support 64gb

Most support 128gb in 4 slots

[proven sand]

...Nice >.>

Means I only gotta buy another set of 32x2 RAM sticks.

[stoic island]

Lol

[proven sand]

...I worded that right, yes?

[stoic island]

Eh, it works

I'd say 2x32gb

[proven sand]

I have to be overly cautious since its 1 am and I bork sentences up when its late.

2x32GB works.

[stoic island]

Its ok I understand you

[proven sand]

I hate to sound like a noob, but might be asking for quite a bit of help adjusting the build 😛 Just trying to optimize the performance for the budget 😛

[stoic island]

Ya

[proven sand]

...Why I`m thinking way ahead of this, I dunno. 😛 Knowing my luck once I get the money saved, I'm gonna have to RE-work this build again, anyways-

[stoic island]

B550 Ds3h imo is a great choice for 1000$ builds

Eh

You'll have to change the build in 2 months or so

New generation of stuff

[proven sand]

...Which is why I probably said I'm willing to go a bit over for stability.

Stability? Survivability? Eh. Whatever the word is.

Sustainability?

[stoic island]

Who knows

[proven sand]

*More-futureproof-ness?

[stoic island]

Adaptability?

Dunno

[proven sand]

The idea I`m tryna use is "Use a bit more money so I don't have to change the build as often"

[stoic island]

Oh well when are you building it?

[proven sand]

Figure buying a generation ahead of something, thus saving having to upgrade said piece, just to save some money later, eh?

[stoic island]

Because I'd wait to make the final list until the next generation of parts drop

Usually next gen brings better price to performance yaknow

[proven sand]

I'm trying to save up for something, but I tend to like to have a concrete idea of what to aim for.

[stoic island]

Fair nuff

[proven sand]

It helps instead of giving myself a rough estimate, cause 9 times out of 10, my estimated goal is gonna get raised a few times by then.

...Purely because of realizing that norms change 😛

[stoic island]

Thing about parts is that usually the parts carry over from one generation to the next, I.E. GTX1060 into RTX2060 targeting the same market

But things can change

[proven sand]

Yeah. makes sense. 😛

[stoic island]

We'll have to see, we can make a template build now that we can swap out CPU and GPU when next gen comes

[proven sand]

^Pretty much my idea 😛

Man, I use this emote too much. I need to stop.

DS3H was the Mobo, right? Just to remember correctly.

Hey, actually, might be a better idea to carry this out in DMs, as to not flood chat, sound nice?

[latent sleet]

Ff

gg

Efg

[still roost]

CacaProutDeMarde#1760 has been warned

Reason: Duplicated text

[proven sand]

Figure I ask before entering DMs, seems common courtesy here.

[stoic island]

Example list

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ggHhf9

[sand falcon]

I see tux

[proven sand]

...Barring the case, seems good. Might swap out the case for a CM case, since I like the cooling capabilities (Breathability?) of their designs.

Pending decisions.

[stoic island]

Of course, cases are personal preference as long as they have good airflow

[proven sand]

Yeah, thats why I like CM

[stoic island]

I personally have a few cases I like due to good airflow and looks

[proven sand]

I usually go LianLi or CM.

When I make builds.

[stoic island]

CM TD 500 mesh and H500 no-suffix, Phanteks P400a and maybe P300a with extra fans, and Fractal design Meshify C with extra fans.

Nice you leveled up, you can post links now

[proven sand]

...But didnt I post one earlier?

Nice color.

I look like Colgate now.

cringe

[stoic island]

Rip

Ye Newegg links get whitelisted

[proven sand]

OOHHH

[stoic island]

But now you can post other links

[proven sand]

Understood.

[stoic island]

Pcpartpicker

B&h Amazon whatever you need

But anyways use pcpartpicker it's good

[proven sand]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/kpnHcq I just added a different case. The decision is, now, do I buy everything at once, or piece by piece... hmmm... Might probably be best to do all at once in case I gotta update something. Answered my own question, nice.

[little osprey]

Honestly

If money is tight get it part by part

Also sales appear time to time so there you go

[proven sand]

...Get pieces during sales, gotcha 😛

[little osprey]

That's what I'm doing currently

[stoic island]

All at once

Don't buy part by part

@little osprey @proven sand
If you buy part by part, you run the risk of parts being DoA and you not being in the return window when you realize it is DoA

[sand falcon]

That is true

[little osprey]

DoA?

[stoic island]

Dead on arrival

[little osprey]

Oof

[proven sand]

^^^

[sand falcon]

Do you have any parts right now you could test with?

[little osprey]

Yeah

My PC can do it

[stoic island]

Unless you can test each part as they come in

Don't buy part by part

[sand falcon]

If you can validate parts as they come in, buying part by part can save money

[stoic island]

Ya

[sand falcon]

If you can't, you risk a doa

[little osprey]

I'm building my own PC than just replacing parts

[proven sand]

...All I have is a laptop. And a bunch of old towers...

[little osprey]

So I'll do that when I get home

[sand falcon]

Which depending where you get the parts from can be bad news

[stoic island]

It's prob a good idea to buy all at once

And again if you wait a few months new parts are releasing

[little osprey]

Well I was wrong for sure

[proven sand]

If you consider "Repurposing" a tower temporarily for new parts to test, then yes, I can test as they come in.

...But there is the thing of needing compatible parts...

[stoic island]

I'd still wait for new generation just in case even if

[proven sand]

...Which probably won't work well.

[stoic island]

You could ofc buy storage and prob be able to test it, but whats the fun in that?!

[proven sand]

...Dunno. Testing stuff?

[stoic island]

It's just storage :p

No fun

[proven sand]

Rhetorical answer

[stoic island]

Ram you might not be able to test bc old stuff be running DDR3

CPU nah

Mobo nah

GPU maybe

PSU maybe

Assuming you had smth like a optiplex

[proven sand]

...I could probably see what the towers in question are running.

[stoic island]

Take a quick look if you can

But I still reccomend buying all at once

The market changes, and often for the better

[proven sand]

Yeah, cause I dunno the years they were bought.

Theyre technically supposed to-

WAIT.

I`m dumb

I would need a drive first, to test anything...

Can`t very well use a tower with no drive.

[little osprey]

I got a question for you though

[stoic island]

Lol

[proven sand]

...Or a drive thats been drilled through.

Yes?

[little osprey]

For uhh

Communist guy

[proven sand]

oh.

[little osprey]

With numbers

Or you I don't know

[proven sand]

077?

[little osprey]

I got a friend that has a better PC

[still roost]

Mr.Blub#6189 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[proven sand]

PFFT

#pwned

[little osprey]

It basically poops on mine 2 times over

That looks bad

[proven sand]

...The question is?

[little osprey]

I can run GTA5

He can't

[stoic island]

Wdym by he can't

[proven sand]

^^^

What makes it so he can`t?

[little osprey]

Like, he says the game loads and Crashes to desktop

[stoic island]

GTA doesn't download, doesn't open, bsod?

[proven sand]

ah-

Crash to desktop.

[little osprey]

Or The Division 2 for example

[stoic island]

Like crashes at what point of

[little osprey]

Or it's like

[proven sand]

Menu?

[little osprey]

Super

Slow

[proven sand]

Mid-game?

[little osprey]

Overload I guess

[proven sand]

What point of loading does it crash?

[stoic island]

Just my experience but I had division 2 and rust crashing because my ram was running funky profile

[little osprey]

Not sure to be a 100% honest with you

[proven sand]

Was gonna say sounded like a RAM issue-

But didnt want to mis-label it.

[little osprey]

HP 8433

[stoic island]

Yea try telling them to use jedec defaults

[little osprey]

Is his motherboard

[elfin rampart]

Hey yall, I currently have a 500gb SSD with my OS & games. I just bought a 1TB SSD that I want to clone, copying my files from 500gb SSD over to 1TB. How would I go about doing that? Its Crucial SSD and they recommend Acronis

[stoic island]

The heck

[proven sand]

Cause I had similar problems, a game crashed for me, and it was my RAM.

[stoic island]

Doesn't macron reflect or whatever it's called have a transfer OS function?

[little osprey]

He also bought it from rent a center pre owned so I'm guessing someone obviously did some changing

[stoic island]

Lemme go find the software

[little osprey]

Basically to sum it up

[stoic island]

Macrium reflect

[little osprey]

Let's say The Division 2, I can play it on low graphics good FPS

[stoic island]

Some ppl were saying cloning the OS partition doesn't work well, but the transfer OS thing works

[little osprey]

His, bad FPS

[stoic island]

Tell them to update all the drivers

Reset cmos

Do the windows repair thing

[little osprey]

Alright

I figured

[stoic island]

This thing
"General fix for random windows problems

From an admin command prompt or powershell, run:

sfc /scannow

If that doesn't work, try:

dism /online /cleanup-image /checkhealth
dism /online /cleanup-image /scanhealth
dism /online /cleanup-image /restorehealth

Then, try running sfc again.
Repeat as necessary "

[little osprey]

There was a control panel for the GPU

I thought there was

[stoic island]

Nvdia control panel ya?

[little osprey]

He has an Nvidia so I think so

[stoic island]

Depends on if he has Nvidia card or AMD card

[little osprey]

NVIDIA 1660Ti

And

AMD Ryzen 5 2400x

[stoic island]

Tell them to use GeForce experience and grab drivers

Wtf is a 2400x lol

[little osprey]

His motherboard can run the AMD

[stoic island]

Never heard of it

2400g?

[little osprey]

Something 200

2000

I have little knowledge of PC tech

I'm basically a dunce

[stoic island]

There's a lot of 2nd gen Ryzen chips xD

Can you grab a spec sheet or something?

[little osprey]

Also to note, he has 8 RAM and 6.71 is in use

Not really no

OH

OH OH

like the type he has?

[stoic island]

Or tell them to run hwinfo64 and take a screenshot?

[little osprey]

My bad, yeah lemme

Find it

I wrote it down some where

[stoic island]

Kk.

[little osprey]

He can run Warframe, roblox

[proven sand]

Any other options for the PSU? Sold out of the one listed on PCPartPicker.

[little osprey]

Got it

Oh no

[stoic island]

Look for Corsair RM650/750 and RM650x/750x

[little osprey]

That's so sketchy

Oopps

[stoic island]

Then MWE gold 650/750

[little osprey]

I'll just say what he has

[stoic island]

Uhh what else

EVGA G3 650/750

Phanteks amp 650/750

Just some options

[stoic island]

Should be around 120$ for all of them

@little osprey ask them to check where they plugged in their monitor

To the motherboard or the GPU

[little osprey]

Oh my god

Good idea

[stoic island]

Because they could be running off the iGPU instead of the dGPU

[little osprey]

Holy christ

Yeah

I should of realized that

[stoic island]

Because 2400g has iGPU

Heh

[proven sand]

https://www.newegg.com/corsair-rm-series-rm650-cp-9020194-na-650w/p/N82E16817139101?Item=N82E16817139101&Description=Corsair RM650&cm_re=Corsair_RM650-_-17-139-101-_-Product Correct one?

[stoic island]

Ya

HDMI plugged into GPU it looks like

[proven sand]

...Hmm.

[little osprey]

I have mine plugged into my GPU

[stoic island]

I still wonder if you could ask them to run hwinfo64 and take a screenshot

[desert gulch]

Should I plug my dp cable into the Mobo or GPU?

[stoic island]

That'll tell CPU clock and mem clock and maybe smth I'm missing

[proven sand]

GPU...

[stoic island]

GPU

[desert gulch]

Ok

That's what it's plugged into rn

Thanks

[proven sand]

GPU is better than the on-board graphics card.

[desert gulch]

When would you plug it into the Mobo?

[proven sand]

Any scenario BUT gaming.

*and video editing

[stoic island]

If you didn't have a gpu

That's the only reason

To plug into iGPU

[desert gulch]

Ok

[proven sand]

^This too 😛

[stoic island]

I mean

Even other stuff

GPU power is nice

[proven sand]

I meannn.... dunno, havent exactly had the chance to try doing like work stuff on a iGPU, so...

Havent had the chance to compare them-

[stoic island]

More power can be grasped, therefore one should put it to good use

Now I'm the one rambling with broken English at 1am

[desert gulch]

Lol

[proven sand]

XD

[desert gulch]

It's only 11:22 here

[stoic island]

12:22 here

Close nuff

[proven sand]

...Is there any point buying Windows 10 if one can just download it off the website?

[desert gulch]

Yes

Dumb watermark

And settings

[stoic island]

"buying" windows 10 really is to get rid of watermark :p

[desert gulch]

It takes away your personalization setting

[stoic island]

Buying just gives you a product key