#building-and-recc-chat

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bold robin
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Cinebench isn't representative of real world performance though?

stoic island
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Lazada is my worst nightmare

little osprey
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Don't compare the thing made for comparing!

stoic island
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Lol r15 single thread tho

jagged ember
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Don't do that!

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Stop it! Bad!

little leaf
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So what are the base stats for amds xt chips?

bold robin
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R20 single thread is more confusing

stoic island
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That's why I said r15 smh

bold robin
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No but seriously just release the Ampere cards so I don't feel like I wasted my money as much on RTX 20

little leaf
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I bought all my pc parts 1 month before they release 10th gen and all the leaks lol

bold robin
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I bought like 8 different 2080 Ti's waiting for great performance but just ended up losing money selling them

stoic island
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lol

celest horizon
deep skiff
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okay let’s be real you bought them to flex on time spy

jagged ember
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run them in SLI

little osprey
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Make it good

bold robin
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Well I wanted NVLink at first when they released, then I sold one, got a Gigabyte, sold it, got FTW3 X2, sold them, got Kingpin X2, sold them then got FE X2 and sold 1

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Seems pointless

sand falcon
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Why so much swapping?

bold robin
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Cuz I wasn't happy with the cards performance tbh

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And it didn't change even with KP

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Lel

jagged ember
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hm

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i'd settle for any 2080ti

sand falcon
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What are you doing that a 2080ti isn't enough?

bold robin
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Although my current 2080 Ti FE does 2160MHz at 18c coolant

jagged ember
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honestly though what are you trying to do?

little osprey
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-sneezes-

analog hearth
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lmfao imagine having stands that are that high

bold robin
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Idk tbh

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I then realised that the kingpin card with XOC bios even on subambient barely performed better than ambient Fe With 325w

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So now I gave up and wait for ampere

snow mauve
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thats just standards so HIGH that its unrealistic

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if one 2080ti isnt doing it sli them

jagged ember
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honestly

sand falcon
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Or look at titans or quadros

jagged ember
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get a quadro or something

analog hearth
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lol SLI is only good for 3DMark benchmarks

jagged ember
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if you're willing to spend that much on a graphics card

bold robin
analog hearth
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lol getting a 2080Ti because it looks cool

sand falcon
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I don't like the cooling solution on that

bold robin
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Yeah the waterblocks were a total of £700 for 2 cards

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£350 each

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Skem

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Atleast I got a decent price selling the blocks

sand falcon
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Do you do anything besides gaming?

bold robin
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I don't do gaming anymore

analog hearth
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bru

bold robin
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Haven't opened a game in a year

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I'll buy an ampere card and be done tbh

sand falcon
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Then what are you doing with that high spec of a card

bold robin
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Originally it was gaming

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Now it's video/photo

sand falcon
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If it's video/photo, you could get a performance boost from SLI

gloomy goblet
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is the MF140R ARGB good because it has 90cfm?

bold robin
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I'm hoping the ampere isn't just 11gb vram

sand falcon
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Wait, it was vram that was the issue? 🤣

bold robin
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No

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But now it is

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Before it was stupid gaming

sand falcon
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That's exactly why the titans and quadros exist though

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You can get up to 48GB of vram on a single card

bold robin
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I literally don't play any games nowadays

sand falcon
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I know, but you just said you wanted more vram than 11GB

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You can get more than that with current cards

stoic island
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Radeon Vii

bold robin
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I'm hoping Ampere is a good performance uplift too, I tried RTX once and almost threw up

stoic island
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..?

bold robin
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Radeon

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Ehhh

stoic island
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if you want vram thats where you go for a consumer card

sand falcon
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Ampere has a big performance boost server side

stoic island
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cuda

sand falcon
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Radeons good, but no cuda

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And yeah, you can do some cross compilation magic, but you need the source for that

bold robin
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Tbh I'm more looking forward to EOS R5

arctic jungle
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lmao @sand falcon I see you met @bold robin

sand falcon
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Yup

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no me gusta

bold robin
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I would talk about TRX40 viability and use case but I'm busy trying to capture a flying bird of prey

stoic island
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lol

sand falcon
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Is that legal?

bold robin
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Picture

arctic jungle
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r u ok @bold robin i've asked you this many times

sand falcon
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I'm not sure

arctic jungle
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i mean u think xeon trumps threadripper

bold robin
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I take pictures of stuff, I'm fine, am busy

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And it does in many applications

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But that's a talk for later

arctic jungle
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o...k

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don't rlly think that's a gr8 arguement but sure

bold robin
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I'll post a picture of w3175x beating 3970x in blender despite scoring lower in Cinebench if you'd like later when I get home

severe bloom
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Only thing a Xeon is better at than TR or an EPYC cpu is anything with AVX512 and thats it

deep skiff
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oh no not the furnace itself da_heck

past harness
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can anyone fix the issue that no one else apparently can

stoic island
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ok

arctic jungle
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lmao im good @bold robin don't rlly feel like hearing all of your ||imnotgonna piss off weggbot||

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@past harness i can try

severe bloom
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Whats the problem Nox?

past harness
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Well I just built my new computer today and it will turn on and all the LEDS turn on but it won’t display anything I have checked cables gpu plugs cpu plugs and my memeory cards

stoic island
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debug led?

severe bloom
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What motherboard?

past harness
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B450 tomahawk max

arctic jungle
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@past harness are you pugging the cable into the mobo or the gpu

past harness
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What cable

stoic island
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display cable

arctic jungle
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what cable are you using for your monitor

stoic island
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also I believe tomahawk max has debug LEDs

severe bloom
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Yeah that board should have a hdmi cable on the board and then your gpu should also, make sure your plugged into the gpu

past harness
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HDMI for moniter but I never really checked what cable

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I am

stoic island
arctic jungle
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do you plug it into mobo or gpu?

past harness
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But what are debug leds

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Gpu

arctic jungle
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try the mobo

stoic island
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try the mobo ..????

arctic jungle
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try plugging it into the mobo

past harness
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I tried both

arctic jungle
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hmm

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what does the ez debug say

stoic island
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yea

past harness
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But I do remember one of those lights flashing when turning it on

stoic island
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check debug leds

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they tell you what's wrong

past harness
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I just left my house lmao

arctic jungle
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f

stoic island
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rip lol

past harness
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I’ll be back there in 10 min tho just had to run to the store

severe bloom
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so how is a xeon better?

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I scored 10pts less than a 48 core Zeon.

sand falcon
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Xeon is better in a few very small applications where they are optimized for intel specific tasks.

severe bloom
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I know lol, and thats pretty much only things with avx 512 instructions being used

sand falcon
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@bold robin Did you compile blender to favor core or ryzen?

arctic jungle
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lmao he sees your question and goes offline

sand falcon
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f

arctic jungle
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oh hees online again

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@bold robin

sand falcon
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I think that blender is by default still using generic core series based optimizations if you either just download a binary or use the default configs

severe bloom
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I will gladly pull it down from github and build it with 0 optimizations enabled and run it

sand falcon
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Nah, gcc and clang both have some pretty nice optimization engines. Just add the flag to prefer ryzen and it should go a lot faster

severe bloom
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no optimizations is a more even comparison if he builds it with them off

arctic jungle
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@bold robin didn't you want to argue, the big guns are here

sand falcon
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I'll check the makefile. I think it gets built with them on though

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I'm guessing he probably just downloaded the binary installer thing, which would have optimizations

arctic jungle
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lmao im glad he dragged me into this

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this is interesting

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I saw u typing @bold robin

bold robin
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I told you I would have this discussion later Antago.

sand falcon
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That's not a flying bird of prey.....

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That there be a squirrel

bold robin
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No but it caught my eye

jagged ember
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Flying squirrel

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Not really

sand falcon
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Flying death squirrel 🙂

bold robin
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Lol

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I have nothing against amd, I just won't use it again

sand falcon
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Bad choice there

jagged ember
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Mm

bold robin
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I used a 3970X for 5 months and that was my choice

jagged ember
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You can throw money at pure performance

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But it's not worth it at that point

sand falcon
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For productivity though, the important thing is multithreading

jagged ember
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Mm

bold robin
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For video, trx40 loses

jagged ember
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That's why I went with amd

sand falcon
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Which trx40? There is nothing intel has that can compete with AMD's flagships

little osprey
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hey i have a friend that wants to get in to pc gaming but cant build on and i to far away from him to build one for him anyone know any good pcs

severe bloom
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I will run my 3970x through any benchmark you want, it will eat xeons

jagged ember
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Prebuilts?

little osprey
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yesh

bold robin
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Ok farp

jagged ember
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Not the best choice cuz can't you just get someone to build it for you?

bold robin
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I'll send you some 8K 12 bit raw see how your 3970x deals

jagged ember
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Like pay them, I mean

sand falcon
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What are you using to process the raw footage?

little osprey
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no people that can help him

jagged ember
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Hmm

severe bloom
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We know intel is going to do better at video since it supports avx 512 vector instructions and amd doesn't yet, have said that multiple times

jagged ember
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Very specific workload though

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It's like sure, Intel beats amd in some games still

sand falcon
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Even then though, dollar to dollar performance will probably still go to AMD

jagged ember
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Yep

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AMD is great for that reason

sand falcon
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You said you have a Xeon W-3175X?

bold robin
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I use AE, PP, DR and often have to ffmpeg, your 3970x won't even handle 4K 4:4:4 properly in scrub

arctic jungle
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uh

sand falcon
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That's a $3000 CPU

jagged ember
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Hmm

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Quite so

arctic jungle
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holy ||nope|| dude, for 3000$ you can a much better cpu

sand falcon
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You shouldn't be comparing it to a 3970x

jagged ember
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Yeeah

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Honestly I'd rather build a PC for that price man

bold robin
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I'll agree 3970x is good for blender and other stuff

sand falcon
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Yeah, 3990x would be a better comparison

jagged ember
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Why on earth would the average consumer buy a cpu that price

sand falcon
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You're basically comparing intels flagship CPU to AMD's mid high tier

severe bloom
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@deep skiff that is one heck of a lot of heatsink

bold robin
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I don't know anyone who owns a 3990x tbh, 100gb/s 64 cores eek

sand falcon
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Correction this is intels flagship CPU

bold robin
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It's the same silicon as an 8180 with broken multi socket IMC

sand falcon
jagged ember
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Ouch

sand falcon
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?

jagged ember
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That's a big margin

sand falcon
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You should be comparing that thing to a 3990x

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Flagship to flagship

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You wouldn't compare a 3950x to a 10210u, would you?

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I'm checking if I can access a 64 core epyc. Then we'll see who wins

bold robin
sand falcon
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Did you compile blender to favor intel?

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Just finished cheking. I can borrow either a 64 or 96 core epyc server for a bit. Which you wanna do?

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Also, the benchmark you select will have to run on a headless Linux server

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Let me know what you decide and I'll get it set up.

severe bloom
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in that image why does that TR only have "28" cores if its a 3970x

sand falcon
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Wait what

severe bloom
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Yeah look at the HW info, there are only cores 0-28

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0-27 sorry

celest horizon
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one is a 3970x, other is the xoen

severe bloom
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The one that says its a TR only has 28

sand falcon
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Could be the bottom is cut off

severe bloom
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oh wait haha

sand falcon
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But yeah, just pick a bench mark that you think will favour intel, and I'll toss it up on an AMD server

past harness
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Hey I’m home

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CPU light comes on

severe bloom
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I want to see what your min/max/avg core speeds were, the temps don't matter at all and looks like that TR couldn't do all core 4ghz and was all over the place

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So it booted or you got a LED code?

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@past harness

past harness
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Yes

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I turned it on and the light for the cpu came in the mother board

little osprey
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you guys also forgetting avx512 is important

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which 3175x is ideal for

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being ram cap on TR is joke for video production

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256gb is min

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for studios

sand falcon
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There's also epyc

little osprey
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epyc has no avx512

sand falcon
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Epyc is really the equivalent of xeons, the TR series is more like 10980xe type stuff

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But a much higher ram cap

past harness
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@severe bloom

little osprey
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on any front quadros dominate studios

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no xeon or epyc can match it

sand falcon
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Those are GPUs

little osprey
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yes which is movie studios use most

sand falcon
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Yes

little osprey
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all cpus ment for is give bandwith

sand falcon
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It's also comparing apples to oranges. The architectures are totally different

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Also, Quadro has no avx512

little osprey
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avx512 is more banking clients

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studio might be using real time ray tracing

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but yeah epyc and xeon kinda hit or miss

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but epyc has only 8% of market

sand falcon
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Because it's brand new

severe bloom
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AVX512 is for anything more than banking, its used in 3d modeling image analysis, audio/video encoding

little osprey
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avx512 main thing was for banks

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other stuff got coded after

severe bloom
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crypto algorithms use it data compression uses it

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lol no instruction set is ever designed for 1 thing

sand falcon
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Also, why does banking use avx512? Just the encryption?

severe bloom
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its just a 512 bit vector operation, which means less operations for more precise calculations

sand falcon
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I believe most HPC installments currently being planned will be using either Power9 or Epyc

severe bloom
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other cpus will have to do 2 avx 256 instructions to get the results of 1 avx512

sand falcon
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Okay. How much longer does a avx512 take to get through the pipeline?

severe bloom
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Its just 1 op vs 2 ops the rest depends on the cpu speed

sand falcon
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I imagine it would take more clock cycles

severe bloom
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Yeah so having to do the 2 ops means its going to be 1 cycle to load, 1 cycle to run avx, 1 to unload, 1 to load next, 1 to run, 1 to unload, 1 to combine results

sand falcon
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Yeah. I'll see about benchmarking the two of them. Time for bare metal intel programming 🙂

severe bloom
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The cpu might be able to optimize this by doing it in multiple registers at once but thats how it should work lol

past harness
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@severe bloom pmed you

sand falcon
severe bloom
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According to the intel documentation in their dev portal they say avx512 enables 2 floating point operations per clock cycle compared to AVX2

sand falcon
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Why are banks using floating point?

severe bloom
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Monte carlo simulations for the stock market/futures

sand falcon
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Ah

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I was hoping it would be for transactions 🤣

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Because then you know what I would do

severe bloom
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AVX512 really shines in video/audio encoding, compression and crypto where you can do the calculations fast. AVX-512 can hold up to 8 double precision or 16 single precision floats so if you think about it most encoding is doing a multiplication or division to convert one format to another so if it can do 8 or 16 in a single instruction it will be faster than having to do 2 AVX2 instructions which are only 256 bits wide so 4 doubles or 8 floats so it doubled the bandwidth

sand falcon
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zoooom

deep skiff
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@severe bloom nah its just a small case, its a strix 2080 ti deshrouded and a noctua c14s

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severe bloom
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Ah well it looks cool in your picture

sand falcon
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Big fan

severe bloom
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If that thing fit a little more flush to the fan so you could use the gasket those nocturas come with and get a tight seal I bet it would just blast air through that thing

dusky nova
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Hello there, anyone knows if item N82E16813145081, GIGABYTE B450 AORUS M, comes with updated bios that support 3000

sand falcon
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@dusky nova It should. If it doesn't, there are ways to update it fairly easily

dusky nova
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I wonder if it's ready to go as it comes, I don't have an old cpu to flash it

sand falcon
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You can borrow a CPU from AMD to flash it, or bring it into microcenter. It should come pre flashed though

dusky nova
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I didn't know I can take newegg's order to microcenter, that's good to know

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great, thank you Bob

sand falcon
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👍

dusky nova
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so, is there a way to tell when it's coming in the package, a manufacture code or something?

severe bloom
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Revision #

sand falcon
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Mostly you can check the manufacturer's webiste

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Any Major mobo company should be shipping with zen 2 support though

dusky nova
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revision # on the box or on the board?

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the cpu is zen 3, really hope the stock shipping out is supported

severe bloom
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Some have it on the box some it’s on a sticker on the board

dusky nova
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okay, that eases my nerve

sand falcon
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Where are you getting a zen 3 CPU? They're not released yet

little osprey
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I think he meant 3000 series

sand falcon
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Oh

dusky nova
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from newegg, maybe I am mistaken

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it's an entry level cpu N82E16819113571

stoic island
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3200g

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that's basically Zen+

dusky nova
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yes, still 2nd, I looked it up

arctic jungle
little leaf
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Guys

arctic jungle
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what

dusky nova
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Thank you All, hope I can get my home office computer running smoothly again, great weekend!

arctic jungle
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@little leaf what

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np @dusky nova

sand falcon
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I think he won't come back 😦

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He seems to have folded

little leaf
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Aight sorry

shadow mango
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do you think the key from my pc right now would work

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'for my new pc lol

little leaf
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You know thr brackets for the am4 socket you take out for stock cooler mounting?

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The screws wont screw out

shadow mango
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@little leaf mine where tight also i had to really unscrew them

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@little leaf and then realized i neded them so that was good

little leaf
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No ive built pcs before

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I can screw either way

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And it gos up and then back down

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The other bracket came out fine

severe bloom
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Hey @shadow mango doesn't hurt to try the key from the old pc

dusty peak
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I currently have a RX 580 and R5 2600x- should i upgrade to a 5700 xt or upgrade the cpu to a R7 3700x?

severe bloom
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What reason are you wanting to upgrade? Not enough fps in a certain game?

dusty peak
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i have a bit of spare money and ive been falling behind in aaa games

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also 1440p lol

deep skiff
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i'd say a gpu upgrade would give you more frames than a cpu upgrade

severe bloom
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Yeah but its very hard to justify buying a gpu right now with the next gen just about to be announced, when they do current gen prices will go down quite a bit

deep skiff
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true

dusty peak
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Ill wait to see if prices go down maybe

severe bloom
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If you can get a good deal on the R7 I would consider upgrading the cpu but next gen Ryzen is about to come out as well so prices will drop on cpus too

tiny jewel
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What cpu should I pair with a 1060

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I have a 1300x rn

severe bloom
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what mb do you have?

tiny jewel
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B350 tomahawk

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Am4

severe bloom
stoic island
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3300x if it's in stock for a good price anywhere, or 3600

shadow mango
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so when i plug in my usb flash drive so i can instal the media creation tool it doesnt show up my usb in the boot options why is that

stoic island
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120$ for 3300x or 170$ for 3600

tiny jewel
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Ok thank you

stoic island
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usually

deep skiff
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3300x op for budget gaming

stoic island
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ye

severe bloom
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Yeah but for 167 the 3600 is in a sweet price point

sand falcon
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Will b350 be okay with zen 2?

severe bloom
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Yeah I pulled up the specs

deep skiff
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b350 should but might need to grab a flash kit

severe bloom
shadow mango
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@stoic island or @severe bloom so i plug in my usb drive that has the media creation tool for windows but it doest show up in the boot up options

stoic island
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wdym

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it should say like usb or something

shadow mango
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no

stoic island
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Yea B350 needs a bios update

severe bloom
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It might not say usb but say a partition name or a capacity, asus bios's are odd at times

sand falcon
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Do you have secure boot on?

shadow mango
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i dont think so lemme check

severe bloom
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@shadow mango how many options are in the drop down?

stoic island
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@tiny jewel You know how to update bios?

shadow mango
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1 the main driver that it

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ill just send a pic

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Boot options

severe bloom
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Which usb port are you plugged in?

stoic island
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Make sure you plug into the motherboard not the case

shadow mango
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Im plugged into the case

severe bloom
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Let me grab the manual for your board again and see what it says

stoic island
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yea plug into motherboard

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don't plug into case

shadow mango
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The usb

stoic island
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ye

shadow mango
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Where

stoic island
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anywhere in the rear io any of the usb ports

shadow mango
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Oh lol duhh

severe bloom
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Yeah your board doesn't have a specific port on the board for flashing bios or running an install so any of them should work

shadow mango
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Still not in my boot options

severe bloom
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Will have to restart it for it to detect it

stoic island
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might need to re-enter bios after you put it in yaknow

severe bloom
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Bios doesn't redetect

stoic island
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yea bios doesn't like hotswapping stuff

shadow mango
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Boot from uefi driver first??

severe bloom
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no just restart

stoic island
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ye shut it down and get back into bios

shadow mango
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Okay

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Hust tuen off or switch the ps off

severe bloom
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Yeah or hit the reset switch

shadow mango
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Okay i see the boot option

severe bloom
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sweet should just be able to exit bios and it should start to boot from there and windows should start the install process

shadow mango
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Okay so save changes and reset right

severe bloom
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If I remember correct when I built my wifes pc on that board it auto switched the boot option back to the hdd after so you shouldn't need to do it after windows does the reboot thing

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yep

shadow mango
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Or launch efi shell from usb drives

severe bloom
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no don't launch efi shell

shadow mango
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Okay

severe bloom
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just exit and reset and it will go

shadow mango
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Just save changes and exit

severe bloom
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yep

shadow mango
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Otayyyyy

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Thanks for the hlp again sorry i kept you up laye last night

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Finally

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Imma go buy a key

severe bloom
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Oh no worries I'm in mst so it wasn't so late

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You can finish the install without a key

shadow mango
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I know but it would be better to just do it with a key right

severe bloom
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Try the one from your old pc before you buy one

still roostBOT
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Pixifyツ#9848 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

shadow mango
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will it mess up my old pc windows 10 or nah

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@severe bloom ^

potent prairie
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Makes no difference

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You can add a key later

shadow mango
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so it wont take windows off my old pc

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if i try to use it on this one

potent prairie
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I mean putting the key on now or later

shadow mango
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now

severe bloom
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no I have the same key on my laptop and desktop

shadow mango
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okay \

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I put the key in wont let me click next

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So does that mean i cant use it

severe bloom
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Typically means it wasn't entered correctly double check, if its right then it might not be valid for that version of windows

shadow mango
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ahhh okay

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so prolly just buy one???

severe bloom
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Yeah so I would just skip using a key install and then go through windows to buy a key

sacred obsidian
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get cheap windows key from ebay

severe bloom
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Those are iffy

sacred obsidian
#

nah just make sure satisfaction rating is high

#

ive never had an issue

#

got windows 10 pro multiple times for 5-7$ on diff rigs, all still working

severe bloom
#

Is your first pc tied to a microsoft account or a local windows account?

shadow mango
#

What does this mean

sacred obsidian
#

theyre legit keys

severe bloom
#

Means you need to do a clean install

#

Upgrade is for when you have a version of windows installed already

#

Say windows 7 and want to go to 10

#

Or even home -> pro

sacred obsidian
#

and you have to do that from the desktop, not booting from the usb

shadow mango
#

So what do i do

#

So take the usb out

sacred obsidian
#

do you have windows on your pc already

shadow mango
#

I shouldnt i just built it

severe bloom
#

No you should of hade an option on the windows install to do a new install

sacred obsidian
#

ok so choose install windows, not upgrade

severe bloom
#

Its the "Custom: Install Windows Only (advanced)" ooption

fleet portal
#

I need to chat with someone in voice chat

shadow mango
#

So if i want windows 10 pro

sacred obsidian
#

for what gambles

shadow mango
#

I click windows 10 pro right

sacred obsidian
#

yes

shadow mango
#

Even if i dont have a key

severe bloom
#

Yes it will let you finish the install without a key

#

You then activate windows in windows

#

Will get a notification in the icon tray saying activate me

shadow mango
#

Oh so custom install windows only

#

Instead of upgrade install windows and keep files

severe bloom
#

Yeah and then it will have you pick your drive and then should be ok

#

Yeah if its a new drive shouldn't have any files

shadow mango
#

Okay i get it now

#

This will take awhile huh

#

Not to bad

severe bloom
#

Windows installs fast, updates are slow lol

shadow mango
#

True

severe bloom
#

Windows used to not be so fun to install (been doing it since 3.0)

shadow mango
#

should i trust ebay for windows 10 pro kewy or just go to a store

severe bloom
#

To me its sketchy but if others say they haven't had issues....

sacred obsidian
#

are you installing on an ssd?

shadow mango
#

yea

#

idk seems sketchy to me also

sacred obsidian
#

heres a good one

sullen spoke
#

If you find the right seller it’s fine

#

Most people have luck with it

severe bloom
#

Its a 50/50 chance so if its cheap just try it

shadow mango
#

how fast is the email for the key

sacred obsidian
#

im pretty confident that one will work. has one negative review and its not for the windows key

severe bloom
#

It won't set off an alarm at ms or anything lol

sullen spoke
#

Within minutes usually

sacred obsidian
#

it says within 15 secs but it depends on the speed of your email

#

shouldnt take more than minutes

shadow mango
#

otayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

#

so after windows installs what do i do

sacred obsidian
#

enter the key

#

enjoy

shadow mango
#

it took me back to like boot options

sacred obsidian
#

what do you mean

severe bloom
#

yeah once it installs it reboots, just change it to the hdd

shadow mango
#

like bios

#

ohhh okay

severe bloom
#

Some boards will auto switch the boot order back after installing windows, swore that Asus b450f gaming did when I set it up for my wife but I've setup so many computers for family lately I can't remember which ones did and didn't

sacred obsidian
#

ive never had a board do that. if thats true thats neat

severe bloom
#

My MSI TRX40 Creator did. I just reinstalled windows 3 days ago after killing my Asus Zenith II Extreme Alpha and couldn't get a replacement and that board did the same.

shadow mango
#

it jusat takes me back to the bios setup

severe bloom
#

You did get to the screen where it said installing windows and copying files right?

shadow mango
#

yea

severe bloom
#

Removed the usb stick and set the boot to the drive you installed windows on?

sacred obsidian
#

take the usb out, make sure boot order has whatever you installed windows on, and then save and restart

shadow mango
#

after all of that it took me back i had to enter my password and i switched it to the ssd and it just kept going back to the setup i did ill try again

#

Boot option 1 should be the windows boot manager

#

Correct

severe bloom
#

Hmmm how many ssds/hdds do you have plugged in?

#

yes

shadow mango
#

2

severe bloom
#

Windows Boot manager should be option 1

shadow mango
#

Save changes and accept

severe bloom
#

yeah

shadow mango
severe bloom
#

You set a system/bios password?

shadow mango
#

Should i not

severe bloom
#

nah, go in and clear that, set a windows password lol

shadow mango
#

How do i clear it

severe bloom
#

I thought you had meant windows password lastnight, let me grab the manual and see if it says

shadow mango
#

Kk

severe bloom
#

Actually let me reset her computer it will be easier for me to poke around give me a minute

shadow mango
#

Okay

sullen spoke
#

Password set is usually in settings called something along the lines of “security”

shadow mango
#

yea but there isnt a thing that says clear pass words

severe bloom
#

So in tool menu do you have setup admin enables?

#

Enabled

#

If so turn that off and delete the user profile. Should get rid of needing to login

shadow mango
#

Setup animator is disabled

sullen spoke
#

Either disable password or try setting a new one and not typing anything in

severe bloom
#

Hmm did you create a profile there?

shadow mango
#

No

severe bloom
#

Oh main

#

Security at the very bottom

#

Clear the password

#

Should go back to that

#

Then go to your AI tweaker page

#

And set AI ocerclock to docp standard and that will turn on the xmp profile for your memory

shadow mango
#

Passwords off

severe bloom
#

And boot should be set to the drive with the os installed

shadow mango
#

Docp standard??

sullen spoke
#

Windows boot manager or the usb to install windows usually

severe bloom
#

He installed windows already need to boot to it and finish the install

shadow mango
#

Okay

#

Save and restart??

sacred obsidian
#

ive always set it to the drive its installed on, not windows boot manager

sullen spoke
#

Ahh

#

Right now I dual boot so I have a dif bootloader

sacred obsidian
#

dual boot between what

shadow mango
#

Farp do i save and reatart now

sacred obsidian
#

yeah if you did all of the above

sullen spoke
#

On some mobos selecting the drive rather than bootloader is legacy mode I believe

sacred obsidian
#

what 2 OS are you using tho

sullen spoke
#

I use Ubuntu and windows

shadow mango
#

My pc turned offohh its a slow restart that scurred me

sullen spoke
#

Some mobo don’t have a legacy mode button, you just select drive

shadow mango
#

It took me back to the setup

#

Wtffffff

sullen spoke
#

What are your options for boot

severe bloom
#

is that just a cpu fan error?

sullen spoke
#

See what options you have for booting

shadow mango
#

Yea

#

Just doesnt read 2 fans

sullen spoke
#

Fan hmm

severe bloom
#

ah power off and reverse those 2 cpu_FAN and CPU_OPT connectors

shadow mango
#

On the hub or what the fans pluged into

severe bloom
#

no the ones going into the mb

#

just swap the two

#

should be right next to each other at the top right of the MB

#

CPU_FAN and CPU_OPT

foggy bough
#

hello

shadow mango
#

I only see one thing for my fan thats plugged in

#

😂😂

#

They where all working

#

Mines at the bottom

severe bloom
#

if yuou go back to step 14

#

you have that 3 fan splitter and then the cable from the cpu cooler going to fan connectors

#

those need to get swapped

potent prairie
#

Ay, apparently my Lenovo laptop repair is complete! I highly doubt it as this is the third time I've heard that in five months about the same issue

#

Gotta love Lenovo's legendary service. I'm sure they'll have messed something up

#

Then I get to spend another three hours getting someone who acknowledges that my warranty didn't expire last year, when I bought it

#

Grrr

shadow mango
#

so after cable man can i bring it up and set it up and start downloading my games and all of that

severe bloom
#

Yeah you should be good if you got into Windows

shadow mango
#

does anyone know a good safe website to get windows cheaper

#

is digital maze legit

severe bloom
#

I've never looked but like someone said earlier eBay has them cheap

shadow mango
#

yea like 5$

severe bloom
#

give it a try for $5 even if its bad thats just a burger

shadow mango
#

6.59$ ehh just a canes 3 piece combo

raw charm
#

@arctic jungle @sullen spoke hey thank you guys! appreciate the input

outer locust
#

What is the best pc for $800 usd you could get?

stoic island
#

with or without monitor/mouse/keyboard/headset

outer locust
#

just the pc

#

@stoic island \

formal quail
#

Intel or Amd?

exotic trellis
#

So it okay to download 2 games which is minecraft and apex legends to my 500gb m.2 ssd and the rest of my sotrage goes into my 1tb hdd?

stoic island
#

I'll be on it once my war thunder game ends :P

#

Yea

buoyant flame
#

Good list

stoic island
#

:)

buoyant flame
#

:D

pine stirrup
#

Any good looking cases up to 50$ which have good airflow too?

fast dust
#

Micro ATX? ATX? Mini ITX? @pine stirrup

pine stirrup
#

ATX@fast dust

fast dust
#

only two I could find

pine stirrup
#

Didn't like those

#

Ugly in my opinion

#

Something clean with a side panel

fast dust
#

well then you're probably gonna need a higher budget my man

pine stirrup
#

60

fast dust
#

there;s this but it only has a 80mm fan for exhaust and PSU it top mounted

stoic island
#

MX330-g :D

#

tempered glass

fast dust
#

yep linked it

stoic island
#

ye just saying

fast dust
#

@pine stirrup $60 is a much much better budget. We got some better stuff here

stoic island
#

wdym

#

what is at 60$

#

like p300a out of stock

fast dust
#

MX330g abd Q500L

#

Beats those other 2 cases

#

at the $50 price point

stoic island
#

oh I would say those are basically 50$ :P

fast dust
#

well I mean tax is a thing

#

but pretty much

pine stirrup
#

Yeah I thought about the Q500L too

#

Prob gonna pick that up

fast dust
#

you'll need some extra fans

pine stirrup
#

Ugh

outer locust
#

Also, does the motherboard support the 3600 without updating the bios?

viral ore
#

it does

outer locust
#

so it supports it right off the box?

viral ore
#

also, dont buy it from best buy

#

yes

outer locust
#

why not best buy?

#

its not updated from there?

viral ore
#

they have stock issues

outer locust
#

oh

viral ore
#

there, i just changed the seller

outer locust
#

ok ty

#

@viral ore

#

@stoic island

viral ore
#

i think you should stick with the other SSD and GPU

outer locust
#

what is wrong with the ssd? I heard its good

viral ore
#

case is fine, your components dont need a ton of cooling

#

i will research ssd

#

just because you hear something is good, doesnt mean its good

outer locust
#

okay

viral ore
#

its not worth it for the few dollars you save

#

the other ssd is much better

outer locust
#

ok

#

also, what is wrong with the 5600xt?

viral ore
#

the 2060s is better

outer locust
#

super?

viral ore
#

wait

#

KO

outer locust
#

but its a 100 dollar different

viral ore
#

srry

outer locust
#

i thought 5600xt performs better

viral ore
#

nope

#

5600xt is more on par with the 1660s

#

well, and ti

fast dust
#

2060ko>5600XT>1660ti right

viral ore
#

barely

#

but yes

outer locust
viral ore
#

its less than a 20 dollar difference

#

so either is a good choice

#

but, that review takes into account the average framerates, and nothing else

#

and some benchmark scores

#

theres more to it than just avg framerate that causes us to suggest the 2060KO

stoic island
#

I'm back

#

bad ram

shadow mango
#

my second monitor still wont detect

stoic island
#

su800 sata

#

so meh

#

5600xt vs 2060, 5600xt for pure gaming performance, 2060 for more features

#

H510 is mostly out of stock

#

also expensive

#

:P

shadow mango
#

my second monitor still wont detect

stoic island
#

what won't detect about it

shadow mango
#

multi display

severe bloom
#

If you type in "device manager" and expand the "Monitors" section what do you see?

shadow mango
#

just one

lyric thistle
#

uh oh

shadow mango
#

is that bad

severe bloom
#

Then the monitor isn't getting power or connected to the pc correctly, is it plugged into the video card and not the mb?

lyric thistle
#

Generic PnP duplicate

shadow mango
#

no its to the mb

severe bloom
#

plug it into the video card

shadow mango
#

i already have one to the gpu

lyric thistle
#

do you have two monitors farpetrad?

severe bloom
#

both need to be to the gpu

#

I do

lyric thistle
#

ah ok

#

I've had issues with two Generic PnPs in the same computer on a school computer

shadow mango
#

i only have 1 hdmi on my gpu

severe bloom
#

Do you have a display port cable?

#

If not can get a hdmi->display port adapter cheap at best buy

shadow mango
#

okay

#

so why is there a hdmi on the mb if it wont work like that

lyric thistle
#

that's for when you have an integrated GPU on your CPU, and you aren't using a dedicated GPU

#

still gotta plug in a monitor somehow, ya knoe :p

shadow mango
#

okay

severe bloom
#

some of the ryzen cpu's have integrated graphics, yours doesn't

wanton crystal
#

I need the new parts to start releasing!! I want to build a that can run more than OW at 30fps!!!

shadow mango
#

They dont have hdmi to display ports here ughhh

#

They have hdmi to mini display port

severe bloom
#

Does your monitor have a display port so you could just get that cable?

little leaf
stoic island
#

good nuff

little osprey
#

Looks good to me.

jagged ember
#

Lol I like the tiny gpu

#

It's good though

sand falcon
#

Nothing wrong with tiny GPU

jagged ember
#

I didn't say I hated it though

astral portal
#

Hi, I used PC Part Picker to put a build together and picked a PSU that was appropriate for the estimated wattage with some wiggle room (Estimate of ~337w, I went with a 500w). My Nvidia GTX 2060 super arrived today and I was checking out the bottom of the box and it said to use a minimum 550W psu. Is there a reason PPP's wattage estimate is off? WOuld my 500w PSU really be okay with a 550w-recommended GPU installed?

little osprey
#

What is the rest of the system?

#

You really didn't need to post that in 3 different places...

sand falcon
#

pcpp doesn't always give the best recommendations for wattage... they don't take all the components into account. What other components are in there?

little osprey
#

The power recommendation on the GPU box also won't take what your system has in it into consideration as well.

stoic island
#

@astral portal Pcpp wattage estimate is just a estimate, but also, the "minimum 550w" is pretty wrong, the card itself only draws <200w

#

I trust pcpp wattage estimation, adding like 50w on top for reality

astral portal
#

I tried to link my pcpartpicker but it's not letting me post links from there. Rest of the build is:

Amd Ryzen 7 3700X
MSI B450 Tomahawk Max ATX AM4
G.Skills Trident Z 16G
250GB SATA SSD
1TB M.2 SSD
Nvidia GTX 2060 Super

stoic island
#

Yea 500w will do fine

astral portal
#

Okay. I didn't mean to spam that question. I've never posted here and wasn't sure what the etiquette is among the different channels. Since this had a couple elements at play I wasn't sure the most-appropriate channel to post it would be.

sand falcon
#

Usually just pick one. We don't exactly stick to the guidelines for channel topics ..... 🙄

stoic island
#

nah it's all good
there's no real structure you need to follow on discord
It's all chill and fun

#

Build chat is omnipurpose most of the time

sand falcon
#

Also, just @ theo_yells if you have any questions or need any help

stoic island
#

Don't know what parts for a list? build chat. Having hardware issues? build chat. Having bios issues? build chat.

little osprey
#

Or if you just want to wake theo up

stoic island
#

lol

#

Theo doesn't like it when you @ him

astral portal
#

lol y'all are going to get me in trouble

little osprey
#

Theo, wake up!

sand falcon
#

Just don't talk in build pics and you're fine. If you talk in build pics, delete the comments

stoic island
#

that guy reminds me of someone

sand falcon
stoic island
#

lol

astral portal
#

alright. Any reason Nvidia recommends such a high PSU for their card? Are there any red flags I should look for?

sharp tide
#

The RTX line is a little power consuming

little osprey
#

Mainly just to prevent someone from getting something way too smol.

lapis stump
#

^

sharp tide
#

I've had the same PSU, 550W, ever since I bought this PC and I have an RTX 2060S and a 3800X

stoic island
#

Yea... for an example, you can run 3950x+2080ti stock on 550w PSU, and the recommended PSU for 2080ti is like 750w

sharp tide
#

Btw how do I give myself the nick where it says my specs

lapis stump
#

And if you are going to be running a high end card, you most likely are going to have high end parts that consume more power

stoic island
#

Specs in names are overrated :P

lapis stump
stoic island
#

also when did I unblock you hmm

lapis stump
#

Who me?

astral portal
#

True. and I mean I went for a 500W figuring I'd have a decent amount of overhead with the 370 estimate.

stoic island
#

Yea

sharp tide
#

I don't know anyone with a 500W PSU lol

lapis stump
#

Oh, didnt know you blocked me in the first place :(

sharp tide
#

550W+ is all I've seen

stoic island
#

sorry but the anime gets to me

astral portal
#

550's were out of stock when I was ordering so I settled for a 500

lapis stump
#

Rip

sharp tide
#

Can never go wrong with a 600

stoic island
#

Yea 500w is fine theres a good amount of people with like 500w PSUs on low and mid end builds

astral portal
#

My current rig is 10 years and and a PSU was the last piece I needed

stoic island
#

650w is all you need for like anything but 10900k xD

lapis stump
#

I run a 750w on mine

#

Only because it was super cheap

stoic island
#

I have a 750w but I don't need it

lapis stump
#

And its also a psu that blows up

stoic island
#

I've learned a lot more since then

lapis stump
#

^

sharp tide
#

I only have a 550W cause my PC used to be under average specs

#

I used to run this boy with a 2400G and intergrated graphics

lapis stump
#

I think mine is basically average

sharp tide
#

Mine now is about slightly above average

#

the 2060 Super causes it to slack but the 3800X does not make it too bad

lapis stump
#

Better than a 1660s

sharp tide
#

lol I used to have a GTX 1650

#

Lived on a bottleneck for a month

lapis stump
#

Yikkkkes

#

With a 3800x?

sharp tide
#

Ya

astral portal
#

I'm using a GTX 1050 ti right now

lapis stump
#

Yikkkkes

stoic island
#

I have a 3800x and 2070, its good

#

1050ti isn't bad

lapis stump
#

Thats a good setup

sharp tide
#

I got the CPU in late April and I got the GPU in late May

stoic island
#

it's good for high 1080p

lapis stump
#

But a 1650 with a 3800x

#

That must've sucked

stoic island
#

its ok :P

sharp tide
#

We got the GTX 1650 on clearance lol

lapis stump
#

What brand was it?

sharp tide
#

It did, I was afraid to open X-Plane 11

stoic island
#

its like a 570

sharp tide
#

Gigabyte Windforce

#

Now I have a MSI Ventus GP

stoic island
#

hmm someone was saying ventus gp on 2070 super had bad temps

#

might've been itech

lapis stump
#

I tried to steer my cousin to a 1660, but she got a 570, i mean its still ok though

stoic island
#

don't remember

#

it's ok

lapis stump
#

I havnt seen her buikd yet

sharp tide
#

My MSI Ventus GP idles at 41 C

stoic island
#

570 is like 1650, 1650 super > 580

lapis stump
#

Ill have to get her to send a pic

stoic island
#

temp under load matters

#

tried furmark?

sharp tide
#

I think while running X-Plane 11 its like 70 C

lapis stump
#

My temp underload is 55

#

Or lower

sharp tide
#

My CPU idles at 55 I have too many background processes running for some reason

stoic island
#

there should be a 4 horsemen of stress testing meme

lapis stump
#

My pc stays suprisingly low, i thought the gpu was going to choke being so close to the shroud

stoic island
#

p95+furmark+cdm+memtest86

exotic carbon
#

Guys i have a mx130 lol

sharp tide
lapis stump
#

Its ok, my dad has an alienware aurora with sli 9800's

#

Think i have a picture

sharp tide
#

I made my final PC upgrade today

#

This PC will probably last me until college or so

#

so about 4 years

lapis stump
#

What was the upgrade?

sharp tide
#

The hard drive is the oldest component as far as I know

#

I upgraded from Crucial Ballistix 2x8 GB DDR4-2400MHz to Corsair Vengeance Pro 2x16 GB DDR4-3200MHz

exotic carbon
#

Oh wow 9800

sharp tide
#

I am probably gonna get a lower end laptop or however much I have and then whatever specs come out when I'm out of student debt lol I'll probably build my next computer

#

NVIDIA 50 series will probably be out by that time

stoic island
#

Ye

lapis stump
#

What r ur specs

#

Woah

#

That message sent late

stoic island
#

random meme making website

sharp tide
#

kapwing ew

stoic island
#

I dont usually make memes so

#

meh

sharp tide
#

I've been using CPU-Z for my testing I dunno if that's bad

stoic island
#

cpuz fine

#

prime95 is golden standard for synthetic load basically

lapis stump
#

I dont really know how long my PC will last

#

I think next gen will break it apart

stoic island
#

mine will last me until I upgrade it

#

I'll prob build a new itx pc when I go to college

#

I'm bored
p95 time

lapis stump
#

Nice

sharp tide
#

Why can I get Arctis 7 for $22 on Newegg

stoic island
#

Because

sharp tide
#

I can't even tell if its 2019 edition or not

stoic island
#

hmm weird

#

time to ask forky for things I don't know about again

lapis stump
#

Lol

celest horizon
stoic island
#

thats passmark right

#

or is that something completely different

little osprey
#

How good is a GTX 1060? Is it worth $94.05 including $12 shipping?

#

And arrival is tomorrow to the 20th for shipping. Ik y'all flamed on me for getting a 590

exotic carbon
#

The 3 or 6gb 1060?

little osprey
#

6gb

sand falcon
#

6gb

exotic carbon
#

I mean i think thats a good price yeah

lapis stump
#

Dont go for a 3gb

#

You will literally be vanished to the depths

little osprey
#

If I went for 6gb though it's good?

exotic carbon
#

Yeah haha

#

And yes its good

little osprey
#

Cause I have the 590 sitting in its box still

#

Just need a Mobo

weary bluff
jagged ember
#

Mm should be okay?

#

The gpu

stoic island
#

I strongly suggest against a 120mm aio

#

Also when are you buying?

weary bluff
#

not sure. im still trying to make up the money

stoic island
#

Market changes quickly, so you'll have to re-make the list whenever the time comes

weary bluff
#

yeah some things used to be cheaper

#

but supply is low so its more expensive

stoic island
#

2070 super > 2070

#

970 evo is usually real expensive for no reason

jagged ember
#

Yep

#

Samsung SSD is not a budget option

stoic island
#

MP34 :D

jagged ember
#

Yee!

stoic island
#

or sn750

jagged ember
#

Yeah also I'd probably not get that aio

#

Cause air coolers do similar performance for a lesser price

#

Noctua coolers or darkrockpro or hyper 212?

weary bluff
#

i just like the look of the liquid coolers

jagged ember
#

Yeah they look dope

weary bluff
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originally i had the corsair h100 and 2070 windforce ox something but i just changed it to make it cheaper

jagged ember
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Mm

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I have that gpu and it's great

weary bluff
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the msi one i chose has som rgb

jagged ember
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God damnit

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Mine has none

weary bluff
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lol

jagged ember
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Trade

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Also I might get another case that costs less

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Thermaltake versa H17 or mx330

weary bluff
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oh it was ~100 when i chose mine

jagged ember
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Oh okay lol

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Maybe get CL16 ram but I dunno how much timings affect usage

stoic island
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I have a MSI 2070 duke oc

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non-super

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also definitely get cl16

jagged ember
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Even at the cost of slower speed?

stoic island
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..?

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H500 is usually 100$-120$

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not bad

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I like it

weary bluff
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i dont know anything about the timings of ram

jagged ember
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Lol case is basically the only thing I cheap out on

stoic island
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Lower is better ram timings

jagged ember
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Is 3600mhz cl18 or 3200mhz cl16 better?

weary bluff
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does it make much of a difference

jagged ember
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I've never known how to make such a choice

little osprey
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3600 is slightly faster

stoic island
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3600cl18 because IF

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Actual latency wise they're the same

jagged ember
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Really?

stoic island
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Yea

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Find a ram latency chart

jagged ember
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Wouldn't you need to go into ram settings and mess with them

stoic island
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Xmp?

jagged ember
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Wait wrong chat

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Yeah xmp is how you mess with ram timings right

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You'd have to go through a process of comparing existing timings for your set of ram sticks and tailor them from that?

stoic island
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XMP profile just sets it to what speeds they should be out of factory

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Memory tuning is memory tuning

severe bloom
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you can use Ryzen calculator to figure out how to oc your ram for Ryzen

stoic island
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Yea

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It's quite good

jagged ember
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Okay, thanks!

little osprey
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So I'm using CPU-Z for my laptop

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My i3-8130U is supposed to be like 2.21 GHz per core but mines at 3.391 on average

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Is that normal

sand falcon
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Yup

little osprey
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Running more then 1ghz higher then advertised?

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Mine is integrated, and I haven't overclocked it at all

stoic island
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There are base clocks and there are boost clocks :p

little osprey
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It just shows my current speeds for core #1, core #2, and uncore speed

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Also, my memory which is supposed to be 2133 MHz is 1197 average

stoic island
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Double it

little osprey
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Not sure how

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Ok, I think I found the steps

stoic island
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Nonono I mean DDR speeds are double raw speed

little osprey
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Oh

stoic island
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My ram raw frequency is 1800mhz, DDR (double data rate) 3600mhz

little osprey
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Ahh so that's where it should be then

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2394? weird speed

stoic island
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They can be slightly off

little osprey
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Well it's ddr4-2133 Corsair vengence 2x8gb

severe bloom
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Yeah mine never show 1800, show 1795-1799 those few mhz don't hurt

stoic island
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Yea mines like anywhere from 1797 to 1803

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It's a bit off but close nuff

little osprey
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Also, apparently my computer does not have XMP even though it's intel

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Guess CPUs too low

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so is there a likely month for new GPUs to be coming out as it stands now?

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would q4 likely mean october or is it just random

severe bloom
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So AMD said their new cards will be out before PS5 which is targeted for a holiday release so it has to be announced any day I would imagine if they are to keep that timeline

little osprey
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is it a holiday release? cause that nba game said fall 2020

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i guess you could consider that a holjday release -shrug-

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Ps5 is expected for Thanksgiving/Christmas time period

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Last I heard

severe bloom
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Its not concrete but there is a leak suggesting Nov 20th

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for ps5

little osprey
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but an actual game trailer said fall

severe bloom
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That is fall

little osprey
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oh, i guess

severe bloom
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Winter doesn't officially start until until Dec 21st in the Northern Hemisphere this year

little osprey
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okay so, october sounds about right for my best guess on GPUs

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bah, what is winter?

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i just get cool summer