its just all the brands'
#building-and-recc-chat
modern shadow
modern shadow
free rgb
sand falcon
yes
little osprey
Now you have summoned the demon
sand falcon
huh?
little osprey
That's what happens when you mix the three
modern shadow
the true demon is dual system cases with a intel system and an AMD one, both with nvidia gpu
little osprey
That? Oh, no that's just the Intel part...
sand falcon
So I guess I need a custom loop full of holy water now?
little osprey
Yup
little osprey
Gotta do what you gotta do
little osprey
Only if you get caught
sand falcon
hmmmmm
modern shadow
msi case, gigabyte mobo, zotac gpu, and asus psu
little osprey
c_C
sand falcon
You've heard of one-brand builds
little osprey
Someone wanna join main vc and help me finalize my purchases for wensday
Someone to help me finalize my build. First ever.
600.00 max budget
Have a list
Check no mic chat, 2nd to last chat
Here
analog pulsar
$300 omg ahhh
little osprey
You check them on 
?
little osprey
Hehe
analog pulsar
Amazon is just my go go Bc I shopped there all the time
little osprey
My family is pretty well split. most things we go Amazon, but I tend to prefer to go through NE for computer stuff, and even then I only order from NE itself and not the marketplace.
little leaf
I just buy from cheapest
little osprey
I go with the pricematch thing, hehe
analog pulsar
Could I make a request to Newegg to fix there position for text
The words are hiding
little osprey
They are still; tweaking the Dark Mode, that might be why
little osprey
hugs K70 MK.2 and m65 Elite
DarkMode is so nice. I've only been asking for it for about 15 years
analog pulsar
@little leaf could we not be negative
little leaf
Its taken them 20days to rma 
then they charged my card twice
little osprey
They're having some pretty bad issues with this covid situation.
analog pulsar
Let’s all calm down and breathe
little osprey
They'll get you taken care of though.
little leaf
Ik know but then they said the rma didnt go through and I was gonna have to wait longer
analog pulsar
Call them and ask
little leaf
But what ever
little osprey
This whole situation is frustrating I've put my whole build off by about 4 months.
little leaf
Oof
analog pulsar
Yea
little leaf
Im building 2 build hopefully this month
little osprey
I picked the worst possible time to decide it was time for a completely new system
analog pulsar
😂 wait Black Friday
little osprey
Just might end up being Black Friday by the time my parts are back in stock. And by then it'll probably be whatever replaces the x570, 2070S and 3900X.
I'm contenting myself with order the new peripherals, case, and fans. Stuff that won't get tech updated really.
little osprey
Those three parts I'm ordering last, since they are all likely to be updated by Fall.
wheat stratus
slate thistle
@vagrant coral that's a pretty low price point
I'd say...maybe an fx chip and rx 580
Once I get my meshify C and my 2070 super today I'm slapping together a new build and saying goodbye to AMD for now...this fx chip lasted me many years lol
inland atlas
400 dollar pc?
inland atlas
@wheat stratus
still roostBOT
Ms. Kitty#6666 has been warned
arctic jungle
uh
@inland atlas
why did you forget windows 10, getting a 200$ case, forget storage, and get such a giant psu for the build?
cursive wharf
I mean Win 10 is easily $15 - $20 tho
jagged ember
Unless you already have a windows
sullen spoke
linux
subtle halo
win 10 is 2$
analog hearth
I wish
fast dust
@wheat stratus for $400 if you get used parts you could probably get a 4th gen i5 with an RX 570/580.
Here’s something off the top of my head:
4th gen i5
Socket 1150 mining motherboard (or whatever’s cheapest)
RX 570/580
DIYPC case... S07-BK maybe. Get a 120mm fan for it tho.
Some sort of 60-120gb ssd plus a 500gb-1tb hard drive. Get these things new. Not used.
PSU... probably gonna have to go the TT smart route even though I hate it. If you can get a Corsair CX PSU. Don’t get a used power supply.
For ram just get 8-16gb DDR3. Dual or quad channel. If you’re okay mixing and matching ram 12gb is an option too.
jaunty turtle
Is it worth upgrading now from an i3 2125 and 780ti or should I wait for next gen
pastel briar
it really depends on you and your goals, I would honestly wait until "next gen" drops, that way if you can spring for the new stuff you can, but if you wish to go second hand/slightly older hardware your able to take advantage of the lower prices, especially once the market starts flooding from people selling things to recover what cost they can from buying new, and also it will help you not buy something now then suddenly have new stuff drop and you sitting wishing you had waited and like you screwed your self...
waxen cape
Is the Nvidia Titan RTX better then the RTX 2080 TI
hollow grove
yes
waxen cape
ok
sand falcon
Not really for most people
sand falcon
It mostly just has more ram
waxen cape
So Nvidia Titan better
hollow grove
sand falcon
Titan RTX and 2080 TI use the same chip, right?
hollow grove
i think so
still roostBOT
Dat Father Yoda Kim Boi#0526 has been warned
celest horizon
Same die, slightly wider memory bus, 10% more shader cores on the titan.
Also twice the vram.
hollow grove
lol
celest horizon
TU102 die is 4600 Ms or so, titan uses the full die. 2080 ti has 4300
sand falcon
What are you doing yoda?
celest horizon
Power limit will be higher on a high end 2080 ti though
waxen cape
I have everything rgb in my build
celest horizon
Go x299 if you're going dual 2080 ti
sand falcon
What is your use case?
waxen cape
my power supply and my water cooling have OLED screens in them
sand falcon
That's fun. What are you using the computer for though?
waxen cape
gaming editing/rendering and programming
Fractal Design Define 7
im planning to do that case
sand falcon
With the budget you're throwing here and the productivity type use case, you might consider a quadro
waxen cape
lol
sand falcon
The big thing is better scalibility though, so you don't really gain that much by only getting one
waxen cape
Im just gonna stick with my dual 2080TIs
sand falcon
Just to check, what CPU and motherboard are you getting?
waxen cape
I-9900KS
sand falcon
9900KS? How much are you paying for it?
sand falcon
Let me convert that to usd real quick
waxen cape
k
sand falcon
521
waxen cape
ya
sand falcon
I would recommend not getting that chip. It's probably gonna be a weak point in the system
celest horizon
10980xe
sand falcon
Okay
waxen cape
I saved up since I was 4
sand falcon
How much of that budget can go into the CPU?
waxen cape
500-1k
celest horizon
Lol, don't troll
waxen cape
what u mean?
sand falcon
That's a very extravagent budget
waxen cape
ye
sand falcon
If you can spend that much, I would personally put more into the CPU, but that's just me
waxen cape
AMD?
sand falcon
Bigger number is better
waxen cape
I have always been an Intel boi
hollow grove
cringe
celest horizon
That's for multi core - if you've got dual 2080 ti money, you've got x299 + 1090xe money
sand falcon
So have I, until intel has gotten so much better
waxen cape
yes
sand falcon
He's doing productivity though, not just gaming
waxen cape
I was using the I5 for 3 years
sand falcon
I'll get trhe single core chart
celest horizon
If you really have a lot of cash, get an EVGA sr3 dark, and a w3175x, $2k/$3k each
waxen cape
No not that much
celest horizon
It's more about memory latency and bandwidth vs pure single core speed
3950x has decent int/float single core
But poor memory latency vs even a 7700k
waxen cape
well the I-9 has I think 8 cores
sand falcon
My 150 dollar amd cpu has 8 cores
waxen cape
USD?
sand falcon
Yes
celest horizon
Anyway, I really think you should go x299+9980/10980xe or something
Even a 10400x
waxen cape
I have to convert to CAD
sand falcon
so.... 10980xe is a lot lower on the chart than I expected
celest horizon
ya, it's 18 cores
celest horizon
sand falcon
When do you need the computer?
waxen cape
anytime
sand falcon
If you can wait a bit, AMD will be releasing a new architecure soon, which should really help with core to core latencies
waxen cape
ok
sand falcon
Also nvidia will release new GPUs that will leave the 2080ti in the dust
sand falcon
Which i5?
waxen cape
9600k
sand falcon
That's not bad
sand falcon
Well designed software doesn't really need to worry about latency
waxen cape
ya
my PC has to be able to handle 3 monitors at the same time
Well thank you for your time
I know what do do
Thank You!
thorny carbon
@sand falcon it's lower on the chart because a stock 10980xe is pretty slow. gotta OC
sand falcon
and then you are comparing an oc'd chip to non oc'd chips
sand falcon
AMD can oc
hollow grove
LOL
thorny carbon
what? your gonna OC your ryzen chip to near stock turbo? lol
celest horizon
Even then, still limited by the infinity fabric
sand falcon
Are you saying that 10980xe can oc on ambient cooling?
thorny carbon
yeah easily
hollow grove
at 100c
thorny carbon
there's tons of people that run 5ghz daily on custom loops
sand falcon
Custom loop != ambient cooling, little timmy
stoic island
lol
celest horizon
Even without a delid, ya, can do 4.7 + 33x mesh, chad IMC can do 4000 cl14 4x8 pretty well
Ya, by ambient I meant regular custom loop - could go dual 360 60mm rads for 2x2080 ti + 10980 xe or something
sand falcon
Okay, yeah, that might do then
thorny carbon
now if we are talking about a 500$ fish aquarium chiller, then basically you can turn off your avx offset. start gapping insanly vs amd
celest horizon
What about 3 Haiea chillers in series 
sand falcon
¯_(ツ)_/¯
thorny carbon
5.2ghz all day @celest horizon
stoic island
I always see ambient as passive :P
thorny carbon
nah, ambient is within 10c of room temp
celest horizon
If your liquid temp is >5C over air temp - you need more rads or fans
thorny carbon
yup
sand falcon
Intel still has a marginal advantage on single + clock, but they're running on a dying architecture. They're pushing it to its last legs. Pretty soon they'll run out of room to improve
celest horizon
True, and I hope they do
10980xe is still skylake arch, very similar architecture to 6700k/7980xe
thorny carbon
all you said still dosn't show any proof on what you said about running more than ambient cooling to overclock the 10980xe
also still sad 5ghz 3800x on -70c phase vs 5ghz 9900k that intel still wins in all games
so not marginal
not close
sand falcon
They're going to need a new architecture before they can become truely competitive again. Given that the engineer that designed ryzen is currently head of a design team at intel, I'm thinking that will come in a few years
thorny carbon
Is amd even competitive in gaming? last I checked 7th gen still zen2 performance in games @celest horizon
celest horizon
3600 is a great chip for $167, personally I'd save up for a 10600k
stoic island
I say it's the best for all-purpose builds at any price point
celest horizon
But a budget is a budget
little leaf
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/DgRBRk thoughts on this list for my friend trying to keep it close to 1k with everything included
thorny carbon
@sand falcon https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6RSEU1d-g8&t=255s
amd has a LONG ways to go to match intel
sand falcon
For average person that won't run crazy OC, it's close. For the server side that needs more cores than it needs high speed, it's trivial and no advantage whatsoever. The only place that intel has the slightest advantage is on no-budget gaming builds
celest horizon
I'm surprised the 3800x does well in the 1%iles
thorny carbon
looks like there ipc din't help to much in that benchmark
well, all games
no, video rendering etc needs single core
stoic island
I wonder how it would work on 3300x
thorny carbon
not many cores
still tons of apps that intel leads
aka real work loads
for the average person
sand falcon
Thing is though, without a cooling solution that can handle intels huge TDPs when overclocked, the performance dip that you get on AMD marginal. Combine this with the fact that AMD is so much cheaper, and you're able to get a better GPU or somesuch
little leaf
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/DgRBRk @stoic island thoughts? 3300x is out of stock
sand falcon
Getting a 2060 over a 1660 will give a much bigger advantage than intel over amd
The price difference allows you to do that
thorny carbon
10600k spits at near the same heat as 3800x in games while 10600k is 20% faster stock vs stock. same price point
z490 also same price as x570 boards
if not cheaper
stoic island
b450 exists
sand falcon
Cause if you don't care about oc, you don't need fancy hardware
stoic island
3800x isn't really suited for gaming
thorny carbon
same price point, 20% stock vs stock
sand falcon
It's a productivity chip. It slaughters 10600
stoic island
3700x 3800x 3900x 3950x arn't suited for a gaming build
3600 is a good chip for gaming performance
3300x
3100
3700x and above are for multi-core tasks
sand falcon
10600k has about the same bench as 3600x, at more than double the price
thorny carbon
so when someone's has a good average budget that comes in discord, your going to automatically recommend a 3600?
stoic island
Yes
sand falcon
Pretty much
sour kayak
Pretty much
stoic island
It allows for a better GPU compared to say 10600k
sour kayak
its a great all around chip
stoic island
3600+2080s > 10600k+2070s
sour kayak
does more then just gaming well
sand falcon
If they need cheap, we go 3300x. It's only when they have more or less no budget that intel starts to be the best bet
And that's if they're only doing gaming
stoic island
I'm very interested in the 8 core per ccx single ccx Zen 3 chip
sand falcon
Yup
stoic island
with a bit more iPC improvements, and the reduced memory latency, it should be able to go head to head with intel
sand falcon
That's gonna be r3-r7 on one ccx
stoic island
Yea
sand falcon
Which on current gen has latency of about 25ns
sour kayak
oh sweet
sand falcon
Next gen, maybe 18?
Also new infinity fabric, so it can take full advantage of faster ram, unlike the marginal improvements you get with intel
sand falcon
My very rough guess, based solely on what I know about the architectures, will be that the sweet spot will move up between 100-300 mhz, assuming that they use the same rough setup
stoic island
I am wondering if 8 core ccx on zen 2 could fight say 9700k in games
sand falcon
Probably
stoic island
Because we can see the large difference made by single ccx in 3100vs3300x
stoic island
@thorny carbon you know, you should look around at part lists we send out, 60+% of the time it's got a 3600
thorny carbon
I have a 3600 for my daily, im well aware of it
very comparable to my hasewell system
stoic island
so what was the point of your statement?
sand falcon
Also just another comparison.... Consider a 3950x and a 1660s. Which do you think has better performance in blender renders? CPU with no onboard graphics card or a full blown GPU
stoic island
anyways
sand falcon
And a "horrible" ryzen CPU at that
thorny carbon
@stoic island what statement? I was just correcting someone here about the 10980xe
thats all
stoic island
so when someone's has a good average budget that comes in discord, your going to automatically recommend a 3600?
thorny carbon
I only talk to someone thats looking for strickly gaming and has a budget to back up his willing
sand falcon
Not me either
thorny carbon
ok?
sand falcon
The number of people that want a high end, no budget system, for only gaming is kinda slim
stoic island
yea lets put it at that
sand falcon
I think I've seen two
thorny carbon
high end dosn't mean 10600k
wary tundra
sharp viper
So I’m at a LAN party and my friend told me he could sell me Corsair vengeanceLPX 2x8 ddr4 ram for $30
sand falcon
Here, @thorny carbon, why don't you design a system for ben
@sharp viper What speed is the memory
sharp viper
2400
thorny carbon
no point, hes just asking in general with no other info. not going to hold his hand
sharp viper
I would like 3600
sand falcon
You ask for the extra info
sharp viper
But this would save me a little money for now
stoic island
Well that's very slow..
sand falcon
Also, ben is golden, so you won't need to hold his hand
sharp viper
Yeah
stoic island
if you really really need to save like 30$ for some reason, sure, most of the time, no
stoic island
2400mhz sucks :P
sand falcon
Except for intel, where they list that as faster than the max supported speed
sour kayak
I bought it during the whole bitcoin thing.
sharp viper
Probably around Christmas
sharp viper
He said he had them running at 2700
sour kayak
Jeez
cosmic kite
amd is way better than intel
sand falcon
zoooom
sour kayak
maybe I should try pushing XMP a bit more
stoic island
still horrible especially with AMD being very prevalent in the lower end
sand falcon
@sour kayak Neew color! Congrats
sour kayak
Ayeeee
stoic island
yeye
cosmic kite
whats a good cpu cooler
stoic island
at what budget
cosmic kite
about 100
sand falcon
If you have AMD, the stock one is fine pretty much
sour kayak
and what are you cooling
stoic island
Gammaxx 400 for the lower end
NH-D15/DRP4 at the higher end
NO AIOs
THEY SUCK <100$
cosmic kite
is the noctuna good
sour kayak
The NH-D15?
stoic island
Yes
sour kayak
but be careful with that, because its also really big.
Its an awesome cooler, dont get me wrong
But it may not fit
sand falcon
That's what sh- (gets dragged off stage by weggbot)
sour kayak
lmaoo
still roostBOT
If you let my shopping cart go now, that'll be the end of it. I will not look for you, I will not pursue you. But if you don't, I will look for you, I will find you, and I will end you.
stoic island
D15 and DRP4 are pretty big
D15 and DRP4 can block ram a bit
so D15s if you need ram clearance
@celest horizon d15 gang
ima repaste mine
def didn't put enough
celest horizon
D15s is mainly to get better clearance for the 1st pcie slot
deep skiff
i'd throw a 3300x in there and either put a bigger ssd or better gpu in there if its for gaming
little leaf
3300x isn't in stock
deep skiff
its in stock in 7 days at b+h
little leaf
oh is it?
cloud drum
little osprey
Fat lot of good it'll do through a vga monitor
sand falcon
@cloud drum Did you retrofit a modern panel into that CRT? It looks flat
sand falcon
okay
little osprey
Saw it on twitter today too
sand falcon
I'm very curious about it
little osprey
Could just be a flat screen crt, they were a thing for a few years.
I just can't imagine going through that trouble to then limit yourself to this tiny screen.
sand falcon
Dunno. The retrofit would be really cool in a sleeper. It's also a surprisingly good photo quality for a crt
little osprey
CRTs had very good picture quality near the end.
sand falcon
Yeah, but they have a tendancy for the scan line and such to show up in a still image
analog pulsar
If my game gives me more FPS then the monitor can handle what could happen
I have a 60Hz monitor
sand falcon
Not much. It can sometimes look a bit smoother though
inland ridge
Not sure if this is the right channel
I’m planning on “upgrading” my build with a new case and obviously some rgb fans for improved “fps”
sand falcon
ummmm
inland ridge
The Corsair LL are really worth it?
sand falcon
This is sarcastic, right?
inland ridge
Yes
stoic island
SP Pro RGB Fans: 8 Individually addressed LEDs around the centre of the hub, These are 3-pin, DC-controlled fans and cannot be controlled from the Corsair Liquid Cooler fan connectors. The RGB effect is visible on both intake and exhaust. Available as 120mm or 140mm. Rated current for the fan: 0.30A. Can NOT be mixed with Corsairs SP RGB Fans on the same Lighting Node Core or RGB Fan LED Hub
LL RGB Fans: 16 Individually addressed LEDs, 12 around the outside and 4 around the hub. These are 4-pin PWM fans and can be controlled from any 4-pin PWM header or 3-pin DC header (PWM is preferred and provides better control). The RGB effect is only visible from the intake side of the fan. Available in 140mm and 120mm versions. Rated current for the fan: 0.30A.
static sierra
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/WWRQ27 - need thoughts. I might wait for the 3080 TI at the end of the year, but I am worried the air cooler won't be enough or if I need more fans.
cursive wharf
Corsair fans are highly overpriced
Literally 4.1x or so the cost of some other competitors
Just get a Dark Rock Pro 4
Cheaper then chromax by a lot
static sierra
I also know for my build that it doesn't have any HDDs or SSDs, this will come from a laptop and going to hook up 7 HDDs
static sierra
I have been out of building computers for years lol bit rusty
cursive wharf
I'd also get a better PSU if you want 850w. Should probs start going multi rail at that point. Even tho 99.99999% chance that a 550w can handle 3950x+3080Ti stock fine
cursive wharf
Tho that'd be assuming 3080Ti doesn't exceed 375w power consumption. Which is very unlikely
You'd want 1000w for dual GPU with a 3950x
stoic island
Dual GPU also isn't a good idea unless whatever you're doing has dedicated multi-gpu support
cursive wharf
I mean, rumored 3090. If Nviida keeps to their marketing that's dual GPU which could very well push dual GPU stuff again
stoic island
Nvidia with SLI support isn't the issue, the issue is programs that can actually use multi-gpu
Games for example, most don't support SLI/don't work well with SLI
cursive wharf
Well, Nviida could start pushing this stuff at more driver level then game level.
static sierra
it's mainly my 3 monitor setup and multitasking and possible home server running from it.
stoic island
If Nvidia pushes it forward, compatibility will come with it
but it doesn't seem like it's happening to me
cursive wharf
Also why the need for dual GPU for that stuff?
Multi tasking/server generally isn't GPU heavy
static sierra
dedicated gpu to handle a separate VM for the home/ai stuff
cursive wharf
I mean.... Maybe?
static sierra
just don't want to pump up to a threadripper just yet
cursive wharf
Depends on how hard you like pushing the AI stuff
static sierra
bump*
stoic island
ye 3950x is pretty good for most things
static sierra
But, yeah just thought this would be a good start up.
stoic island
could dedicate 10 cores to the VM to power through whatever and still have 6 cores to do stuff
static sierra
that's what my thoughts were
just in hopes that holding everything off till black friday or cyber monday to get everything around 2500 or less
stoic island
gonna have to make the list again then before you buy
static sierra
storage will get 1 nvme right away and 2 SSDs and 5 HDDS
stoic island
Which drives?
static sierra
random, currently haven't seen them. They are currently in laptops
stoic island
Oh you have them already?
static sierra
yup
stoic island
decently
upper condor
Hey my friend wants to upgrade his gpu,cpu, and mobo but only has like 200$
Anyone wanna help?
little leaf
what does he currently have?
little leaf
what does he have?
compact latch
1600af and b450 and 8gb ram
little osprey
Same MB i'm running right now, lol
upper condor
xd nice
little leaf
what gpu does have ?
upper condor
980ti
little osprey
But not for much longer
compact latch
also go to reddit and find r/buildapcsales
upper condor
yep
carmine mason
Thoughts on the team gx2 SSD? Building something for a client and it is currently the best value ssd on pcpartpicker. I have no experience with it, so wanted to check here
stoic island
Dramless and no HMB
sand falcon
aka bad
stoic island
I'd suggest Team Vulcan and Team L5 lite 3d for good Sata SSDs
NVMe wise, Team MP34 and Western Digital SN750
little osprey
Wassup guys
exotic trellis
Does the ASRock B450M Steel Legend AM4 AMD Promontory B450 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.1 HDMI Micro ATX AMD Motherboard support ryzen gen 2 3200g cpu?
inland ridge
Just get a Dark Rock Pro 4
I actually have one
sand falcon
It does with the new bios
inland ridge
@cursive wharf
Is just that I’m looking for options to make my build better looking
Since current one is kinda meh
Don’t judge
cursive wharf
DRP4 and chromax is basically the same in looks tbh
inland ridge
exotic trellis
I bought my cpue already though
inland ridge
Ordered a meshify c white version and looking for fans to complete the build
cursive wharf
spec-02?
inland ridge
Yes
cursive wharf
also have one
inland ridge
You did proper cable management?
cursive wharf
yeah
cursive wharf
hate the HDD bay and thin case metal. Causes so many loud vibrations
also hate how they had screws in optical bay... Then riveted the other half
like... why?
but yeah, take 1 hour for the cable management and you're good
inland ridge
Being honest I regret not getting the h510 at that time
It was only like 5-10 usd more expensive
inland ridge
The biggest issue with the spec is the damn Dark rock pro 4
Like I knew it was going to be huge but not that huge
cursive wharf
I am going to have to question that CPU power connector going out/in the back of the case
inland ridge
I got lucky connecting the top left cable
still roostBOT
JuanHero#0216 has been warned
stoic island
lol
cursive wharf
was?
digital pecan
@cursive wharf sorry for the ping, but i was wondering what graphics card u have?
inland ridge
Hei you also have a backplate on that gpu?
stoic island
Arctic p12
cursive wharf
I'd usually go with Arctic if non RGB, or EDIZY/upHere for RGB
cursive wharf
nah, Bykski
cuz the kit of Bykski is way to good for price
but seems quite close to uphere/Edizy
even controller
with the fan connector
So fans are potentially the same
stoic island
Because someone said uphere fans were loud
cursive wharf
loud probs at high RPM. Mine are loud at RPM I never need
inland ridge
Those are not available in the USA
cursive wharf
stock issues most likely
stoic island
yea stock is iffy nowadays
cursive wharf
they usually were before Human Malware
inland ridge
Nvm
Not on Amazon
And being a little skeptical about buying on other sites
Not having a nice experience with NewEgg
stoic island
Why's that?
cursive wharf
On the Wegg server tho
inland ridge
¯_(ツ)_/¯
I know they are trying their best
Just little anxious and giving time
If at least I would know where my package is
stoic island
they do give you a tracking number with UPS though
or was it usps
either way
they gave you a tracking number with whoever was shipping it
cursive wharf
can still cause issues sometimes
stoic island
yea whatever it was it didn't give you exactly where the package was at
just periodic updates
cursive wharf
on Ali at the time of HM starting I got tracking number quite easily. But took like 2.5 months to "start" shipping (properly put into shipping system) and another 0.75 months to actually get out of the country
inland ridge
Already did
I do have a tracking number, for the last 4 it says on its way to ups
And that it was shipped
Just going to wait more
silk estuary
I ordered my new psu off corsair itself and I'm hoping it doesn't take too long lol
cursive wharf
It depends on seller
only tried it one time, and despite the issues it was sorted out well
little osprey
DHL used to be Airborne Express, and they were horrid.
cursive wharf
most of the mess ups here on the shipping company tbh
DHL made the first mess up
package was sent to them but they ignored it, so then I had to wait until chinese newyear ended
little osprey
That's a pretty long wait
cursive wharf
then the fun stuff started happeneing
inland ridge
laughs in amerijet
cursive wharf
I think I was one week in, so was expected to wait 2 weeks
after smth like 2.5 - 3 weeks it was "government basically shutdown everything so cant do much for a while"
stoic island
rip
cursive wharf
one month later the "fake" shipping started
inland ridge
cursive wharf
think it took 1.5 - 2 months after government shutdown for Ali to say it was shipped but DHL to say it wasnt even out of the country
inland ridge
And how much time did you had to wait at the end?
cursive wharf
apparently DHL never said anything to the seller at all so they assumed everything went well
little osprey
Go figure
inland ridge
cursive wharf
ordered on Jan. 11. Took a week for them to talk a bit and sort the order out so that I got correct GPU block and such. Which is quite fair. So shipping stuff started on like Jan 18th
got it Apr 21
solid 3.3 months
Overall Ali seems good if good seller. Just that cheap shipping options, like DHL, messes things up
inland ridge
Almost 4 months!!!
cursive wharf
would've been like 3 - 4 weeks best case scenario
inland ridge
I don’t trust myself buying Chinese
cursive wharf
I mean.... Half the time PC stuff is made in China
stoic island
Some of the best PC parts are from China yaknow
little osprey
I'd be more comfortable if that said Japan
sand falcon
Lot's of stuff is from china. If not china, somewhere else in asia
stoic island
For example some of the best Corsair PSUs are made by CWT, a Chinese company
RMx RM RMi CX HXi
little osprey
Can't remember which ones SeaSonic makes
stoic island
AXi I believe
still roostBOT
COQP#1354 has been warned
vapid ether
my post was warned for duplicated text although i dont believe that i did. Does that mean that it cant be seen?
vapid ether
nope just all text
oak anvil
so i was having a look online and found one
the specs are : Ryzen 5 3400G Quad Core 3.9 GHz Windows 10 Computer 8GB Ram 500GB SSD USB 3
sand falcon
What GPU?
vapid ether
wanted to get some thought and feedback and any help before starting my first build. Im still waiting for my CPU to come in. I am going to be using the new z490 Aorus Elite AC, i5-10600k, EVGA CL36 cpu cooler, EVGA SC Ultra 2060 super, 2x16 3200 speed G.Skill RGB TridentZ, 2TB Seagate BaraCuda, 500GB Samsung 970 EVO m.2, EVGA SuperNova 750 GA, plus 5 fans and cable extensions
oak anvil
the 3400G has integrated Vega 8
sand falcon
@vapid ether Probably could save on SSD. What will you be using it for?
stoic island
..???
oak anvil
im confsued now
oak anvil
The Ryzen 5 3400G comes with a built-in AMD Radeon RX Vega 11 GPU, with 11 graphics cores of its own running at up to a 1,400MHz clock speed. The RX Vega 11 is a step above the RX Vega 8 that's on the Ryzen 3 3200G, which has eight graphics cores and a 1,250MHz peak
i just googled it
deep skiff
yes
stoic island
Yea
oak anvil
sorry so its vega 11 not 8
dusk snow
has anyone used the be quiet! Dark Rock Tf, BK020? I'm planning on replacing my wraith prism cooler.
oak anvil
i dont care if its great or not i dont have endless pits of money
sand falcon
How much are they charging for it?
deep skiff
how much is it?
oak anvil
and thats the best i can do
dusk snow
79 USD not including tax
oak anvil
How much are they charging for it?
@sand falcon for the whole PC is $695
stoic island
It's like a NH L12 lol
deep skiff
thats overpriced
sand falcon
@oak anvil Overpriced
deep skiff
the only good use would be for itx builds and there are better options like the black ridge
stoic island
It's so close to the l12 lol
oak anvil
*** i dont have endless pits of god damn money***
dusk snow
Trying to find the best cooler for the price that's easy to install since I'm a noob with pc builds. Built my first last summer.
oak anvil
its better than my laptop
vapid ether
@sand falcon I will be using it for faster storage and OS bootdrive
oak anvil
and no its not overpriced
little osprey
Yeah, it is
oak anvil
thats legit the cheapest i could find
oak anvil
yeah well im not in your god damn country am i
deep skiff
unless you need an itx cooler i'd just get a scythe cooler
little osprey
You know what, you can leave if you like.
oak anvil
me?
deep skiff
no
stoic island
Scythe Ninja 5 if possible
still roostBOT
COQP, that command is disabled in this channel.
stoic island
Noctua NH-U12s is decent
deep skiff
eh noctua doesnt make the best coolers for itx, they have older designs that arent the best
stoic island
wait are we talking itx or not
deep skiff
dunno
dusk snow
the Scythe Ninja 5 seems pretty big and cumbersome. It's a standard motherboard size, Atx right?
sand falcon
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/2yL2Dx
$584 AUD for those exact same specs
deep skiff
just check the case's cpu cooler clearance, most should be like 170mm
stoic island
d is big boi
deep skiff
but the fans are like $50 lol so its worth it
stoic island
thats why it's just decent
sand falcon
If you are on a budget build, what you do is buy a really really cheap but decent used computer (Can find them for free to $50 if you look) and slap a GPU in it and call it a day
Basically, the PC you found there will be only marginally better than your laptop
Contact local school, libraries, universities, businesses, etc, and say you are a student looking to get a new computer and wondered if they had any old ones they're getting rid of. You'll want to ask them if there are at least 8GB of ram and 4 cpu cores
@oak anvil I have found 4th gen i5's with 12GB of ram for $20 USD, add a cheap GPU to that and the whole thing costs about $160 aand will run circles around that one you found before
sand falcon
Yes
little leaf
Ye just making sure
sand falcon
4k realtime?
spiral zealot
i always plug UCW whenever the 'repurposed dell gaming pc' topic comes up because they have some decent systems that he flips
and they've been tested ahead of time, and cleaned up
sand falcon
real time 4k is probably a bit iffy depending on how complex the render is, idk
If it doesn't matter how fast it renders, it's good
spiral zealot
they have i3/i5 machines in the $80-100 range
with 8-16GB of ram, some form of 500gb+ drive, sometimes an SSD, and a clean windows install
spiral zealot
and for every 10 machines he sells, he donates a computer to a child in need, so it's a nice thing to do if you buy from him
if you want an older i7 machine you can find one as well, those can go up into the $130-150 range
but still pretty cheap
sand falcon
How do a qualify as a child in need?
spiral zealot
lol
little leaf
@sand falcon so I was thinking of a 3700x and 2080super
sand falcon
Sounds solid
severe bloom
@tired turtle what memory kit you using with your TR and is that a 3970 or 3990?
deep skiff
thank
tired turtle
scroll up in build pics, and the part list is there @severe bloom
severe bloom
ahh didn't see it had so many new messages when logging in
tired turtle
hehe
deep skiff
dang they make 128gb kits of b-die
tired turtle
yeah that pic you saw then with the corsair then is old ram kit
make sure you read the whole msg too next to it
explains the pricing
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farpetrad#9121 has been warned
severe bloom
ah I have a corsair kit its 'junk' in my 3970
deep skiff
@tired turtle so you have a 2060 and 1050 ti in there? or are there more/different cards
severe bloom
I was hoping gskill would release those 256gb 3600 16-19-19-39 kits by now 😦
stoic island
lol
tired turtle
theres a 2070, 1050ti, 1650, and we have a 2060 as well but its not in that pic i posted
stoic island
Didn't they stop making b die now?
deep skiff
they might of
tired turtle
if they were all the same groupings for unraid would be all buggy and confusing
so different cards is better
severe bloom
GSkill announced these kits back in Oct of last year saying shipping Q2 2020
deep skiff
ya samsung ended b die production Q2 of 2019
severe bloom
Have you oc'ed that kit @tired turtle? or your TR?
tired turtle
nah havent needed to, the performance is fine where its at, its rarely under any real stress
severe bloom
Ah, when hosting a full production environment of vms and sqlserver I use up 64gb been wanting a larger kit and figured go big or go home lol. Other than running folding@home or something never max out the cpu
sand falcon
I sense a sysadmin
severe bloom
Software architect :p but also getting some devops certifications so having a beast of a system is nice
little leaf
@stoic island https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZbZfL2 thoughts I got that mobo because of availability
he doesn't want to buy anything later
stoic island
that ones on preorder @little leaf
little leaf
Ye he just wants to buy it now lol
idk why
but he says its ok if it comes later but he wants to buy it now
stoic island
lol
little leaf
Don't ask me
sand falcon
@solar dagger https://pcpartpicker.com/list/MJJbYH
Here's my quick non-boring high spec build
Price tag of $3300 or so
cursive wharf
One of the "Unofficial Techies" said that the Aorus had a pretty meh cooler
Also that's at least $300 extra on the CPU cooler/GPU which can get basic custom loop easily for both
severe bloom
I saw locally and its still there a evga 2080ti hydro copper for 1199 and non water one 1399.... if I wasn't saving for next gen I would be tempted to grab that
celest horizon
1200 for a hydrocopper 2080 ti is a good deal. Even if it's an XC. FTW3 would be solid at that price.
deep skiff
yeah u could also grab a gaming x trio for 1240 or a xrl8 oc edition for 1150
modern shadow
what’s a good rx 5600 xt? Or should I wait for next gen?
hollow grove
get a 5700xt thicc 3 ultra
deep skiff
thats not a 5600 xt
hollow grove
yeah it is
modern shadow
I kinda looking at triple fan gigabyte open box
hollow grove
a better 5700xt
deep skiff
for $100 more also
deep skiff
phantom gaming d is pretty good for the price
modern shadow
Hmm
oak anvil
like the website you find is the cheapest
stoic island
Newegg
Not a joke not sponsored Newegg is just quite cheap in most cases for online stores
unkempt summit
stoic island
Yes much good
severe bloom
@oak anvil I usually find what I want and then check amazon and what it would cost at the local microcenter and decide if I need it right now or can wait on it to be delivered
cosmic kite
does anyone know if the ASUS ROG STRIX B550-E GAMING, AMD B550 ATX Gaming Board with PCIe 4.0, Matched Power Phases, 2.5 Gb Lan, WiFi 6 (NFSax), Dual M.2, SATA 6Gbps, USB 3.2 Gen 2, RGB Aura Sync is the wrong price and it will get priced adjusted its 540 pounds.
inland ridge
What
540 pounds?
Uk currency?
That sounds extremely expensive
I thought 550 were supposed to be cheaper
foggy bough
b550 550 pounds. What irony
cosmic kite
yeah i thought to
stoic island
It's gonna take a while
mental blaze
nice
cloud drum
There's a regular+
modern shadow
@stoic island what’s a good rx 5600xt? Or should I get a gym 1660 super?
stoic island
..?
stoic island
Eh 5600xt is a bit better but nothing beats nvenc if you use it
modern shadow
Not really streaming or anything like that, but might reach out to YouTube
Or next gen?
hot wagon
Hey everyone! I recently ordered all the parts for my new build which I'm super excited about, as it's my intro to custom loop water-cooling, but I'm afraid I've made a mistake. I ordered the EKWB Fluid gaming kit that includes the LianLi PC-011 Dynamic case, tubing, fitting, waterblocks, etc. And I mistakenly assumed that due to the price of the EVGA 2080 SUPER KO card that I ordered, that it would be based off of the reference PCB and compatible with that waterblock. However, when I went to double check after ordering (Things are going out of stock left and right, and I had finally gotten a parts list that I was super happy with and everything was in stock), I saw that that particular card wasn't listed on EK's compatibility list. I would've submitted a hardware inquiry, but I'm having issues with their flash player and it won't let me upload the required photos of the card and PCB. Does anyone know if this card is actually compatible? Or should I go ahead and start the return process so I can send it back as soon as I get it?
sudden turret
do you have a link the the ekwb kit
hot wagon
Sure thing, wait one moment
So it's this kit, and I'll find the link for the waterblock alone
The bot doesn't like it. h ttps://www.ekfluidgaming.com/ek-ac-geforce-rtx
fading saddle
Just joined. I'm a noobie doing a rebuild; name is Teknon. Looking forward to some counsel re my last part choice.
sand falcon
Whatcha got?
sand falcon
I posted a very specific unicode character from the egyptian hyroglyphs block
stoic island
nsfw
sand falcon
Use your imagination
fading saddle
My current system uses a micor ATX board. It's finally bit the dust and I'm putting new guts into the case. So far I've selected an MSI B450m Mortar mboard, a Ryzen 5 3600 CPU, and Samsung 970 Pro i512 internal SSD. My question regards memory. I'm not a gamer so I'm not interested in overclocking. I want stability instead. Ryzen says the 5 3600 can handle 3200 speed memory. Does that rating reflect overclocking and, if so, what is the highest speed that doesn't require oc? Also, is there a particular manufacturer and model of RAM that would be preferred for the build I'm doing? Thanks for the advice.
arctic jungle
hol up
idk abt the oc part
but for most ppl doing anything more than searching the web, 16 gb of 3000 or 3200 is the norm
@fading saddle
ram has nothing to do with oc
deep skiff
just turn on xmp/docp
thick gorge
I wanna upgrade my system to a b550 with a rtx 2060. Should I buy the 3600 right now since its on sale to put on my b350 board for the time being or would that be a bad idea
Or should I wait for 4th gen ryzen
fading saddle
I agree that 16gb is plenty of DAM. Read on the web, though, (sorry, that's virtually my only source of info) that some of the CPU's capabilities require 32gb in order to fully function. Sounds like overkill but, if it's true, it's not that much more $ to go to 32. Is that amount of memory actually advisable?
arctic jungle
I mean
not rlly
like 16 is enough for any and all video games
you may need 32 if you are a developer or designer, where u need to render large instances at a time
16 is rlly all u need
@fading saddle
sand falcon
I've maxed out my 16GB set once. It doesn't happen a lot
arctic jungle
yeah even as a VR developer and robotics renderer, I have only once maxed out my 64 gb of RAM, and that was when I accidentally opened a file that started rendering abt 20 instances
besides those times, I generally am using 4-8 gbs playing games and 2-4 doing general stuff like web browsing
sand falcon
to be fair though, I did once launch a program that used ~2TB of ram. That wasn't on my machine though
severe bloom
Install sqlserver change a few settings to run things from memory and cache stored procedures and 64gb of ram goes quickly
inland ridge
ORDER FINALLY SHIPPED
next kestrel
@sand falcon damn what server did you run it on?
I havent gotten past 12 gb of ram usage and that was with vitual machines too
sand falcon
A small cluster
analog pulsar
sand falcon
It was a hugely parallel CPU based neural net
spiral zealot
it's super easy, lift the arm on the socket, lineup the triangles, and it just drops right in
it's a zif socket, which means zero insertion force
next kestrel
your old cooler?
analog pulsar
What is that
sand falcon
Thermal paste and an intel stock cooler
little osprey
Something you shouldn't touch and get your skin oils all over
celest horizon
lick it
buoyant flame
Lick it, you won't
midnight pelican
LMAO THE FINGERPRINT IN THE MIDDLE
sullen spoke
looks preapplied
sand falcon
Right in the middle too....
little osprey
It's the new one, and they stuck their paws all over it.
sand falcon
Where are the AMD dies?
Cause intel, that would need a whole new application of thermal paste
@analog pulsar Do you have any extra thermal paste?
analog pulsar
It’s preapplyed I don’t need any they said
analog pulsar
It’s a little touch
untold trail
the psu i was gonna get is oos
sand falcon
@analog pulsar It's enough
Basically that entire area you touched is now insulated and won't be cooled
deep skiff
have u seen the psu market
little osprey
I would recommend RMx over CX
spiral zealot
@analog pulsar i've accidentally touched pre-applied thermal paste and it's been fine, just make sure you have all 4 corners tightened down equally and the pressure of the cooler being attached will normalize the thermal paste. unless it's a huge divot where you can see bare metal underneath
analog pulsar
I will stress the cpu to see how hot it will get and see if it’s able to be cooked
little osprey
There's a lot of things you can do, that you shouldn't do.
sand falcon
Stress it and see how it goes
Anyone know a good CPU stress on windows? On linux, you just have the stress command
spiral zealot
that's a quick/easy fix though
analog pulsar
@spiral zealot yea but I can’t believe I forgot to do that
bleak grove
yeah newegg's price isn't bad, but all the other sellers' are
analog pulsar
Okay ummm I broke something
bleak grove
oh god
sand falcon
That's fun
spiral zealot
power the system down, unplug the psu from the wall cord, reset the gpu power, and plug everything back in and power it up
and see what happens
sand falcon
yay
sand falcon
What is?
analog pulsar
It’s sideways