#building-and-recc-chat

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slim zealot
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Just bought an i9 for my pc

normal brook
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o_o

misty heron
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What are those rgb cables called

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Like that are rgb on the wire

stoic island
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rgb strips...?

misty heron
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Mm lemme check

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Like its a cable

spiral zealot
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like cable for connecting a device? they make rgb hdmi cables and things like that

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or just a straight strip of rgb?

unborn lion
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@barren moth I'm still afraid to do a custom loop. Were there any heart attack moments?

normal brook
barren moth
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@unborn lion yes, i finished it at 5am for starters

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one of my radiators didnt fit

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so only gpu was in the loop

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my gpu block came with chinese instructions

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to be fair i chose cheap parts

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you wouldnt have that issue with ekwb

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but $75 for a waterblock is worth

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don't get thick soft tubing, they are extremely stiff

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i used 3/8, 5/8 tubing, i recommend something thinner

open brook
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hows it going wondering about a msi laptop i bought in 2019 has a core i7 9th gen and gtx 1660 ti do u know if the ssd is the newer kind not like square but a stick cuz it instantlyu turns off not like an square ssd is slower but how can u find it if it has that new stick ssd

barren moth
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@open brook run crystal disk mark 6

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square ssds reach usually 500-600mb/s

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the stick ones reach 2000

open brook
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kk whats the websites

barren moth
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i cant post website rip

open brook
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ill just google it i dont think we can post links

barren moth
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Crystal Disk Mark

open brook
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kk thank u solid green day

barren moth
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np

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it also tells u what the ssd is, you can tell me what the name is and i can check

modern shadow
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What’s a good sub 50 gaming mechanical keyboard

unborn lion
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@deep skiff Once I finish the Folding@Home tournament on Monday I'll take some more and tag you when I post it.

stoic island
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There's a f@h tourney..? @unborn lion

unborn lion
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@stoic island LanFest 🙂

stoic island
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Huh

unborn lion
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we started 3rd week of April, we're number 497 now.

stoic island
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Haven't folded in a while lol

unborn lion
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I'm pulling 7-8million points a day

stoic island
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Damn lol

unborn lion
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I got an undesirable door knock...

stoic island
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What do you have?

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2x2080ti or something?

unborn lion
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2080ti, 1080, 2070 super, 2060, 1050 for GPUs

stoic island
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Damn

unborn lion
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i7x R7 2700 ~150 E5 cores

stoic island
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I only pulled in ~4mil points total from my like 2 weeks of folding

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But that was a lot of waiting for WUs then

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And me forgetting I OCed my 2070

modern shadow
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I only have 100k points 😅

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From my rx570

unborn lion
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uh...

stoic island
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I also didn't run 247 soo

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Anyways

unborn lion
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172,999,584 points over 6677 work units

modern shadow
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Bro

stoic island
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Damn

modern shadow
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Would you guys suggest a gaming keyboard under 50?

deep skiff
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damn nice

open brook
stoic island
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I have 3mil from 211WUs recorded on extreme overclocking

open brook
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so is it a square ssd or a stick ssd

stoic island
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Stick

modern shadow
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Tee

stoic island
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Why are you asking?

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It's m.2

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NVMe PCIe 3.0

open brook
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cuz from my old desktop to the laptop its instant

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not saying the square one isnt instant but

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u can definately tell

stoic island
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SATA SSD does like 500mb/s read write

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NVMe PCIe 3.0 does up to 3500mb/s read write

open brook
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ok thank u guys now i know why its instant compared to my old desktop

deep skiff
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you can also have a sata m.2 drive

open brook
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i see

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dont wana bother u but how do u find out

deep skiff
open brook
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dam im to uh novice for this but now i know its a stick " the reason of instant power on compared to desktop thank u guys from newegg i always come here to ask computer and pc componets questions👍 😃

stoic island
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@deep skiff thought sata m.2 is also limited to ~500mb/s?

lyric thistle
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yeah it do be

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still uses SATA

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so

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SATA speeds

deep skiff
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yeah

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its just cable free and smol

lyric thistle
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limit is 600Mbps though, not 500

idle solar
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Can anyone help me with my build? Trying to be as close to $900 as possible with a ryzen 5 3600 and 144hz monitor

stray grove
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Is it a good time to build. other than everything being out of stock?

pastel briar
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if you already have the parts in hand, any time is a good time, if your buying parts I would hold off a bit

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prices seem to be a bit wonky right now

stray grove
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alright. My brother is tired of xbox so he decided to buy a pc. I get to help him build it so it will be my first build. makin me want a new pc.

raw igloo
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whats a good GPU upgrade from RX 570 Around 200

cold sorrel
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Oh wow. Ryzen 3600 is now selling for 167 bucks. I'm wondering if they launch those XT chips next month, if they'll go ahead and permanently cut the 3600 down to $160.

midnight pelican
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remember when the 2700x was 132 con microcenter

cold sorrel
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I think AMD is doing this to spoil Intel's launch of their new CPUs

midnight pelican
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probably

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intel spoiled it for themselves lmao

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and then amd just price cuts all their cpus before they even launch their own

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i think amd took the win this year

cold sorrel
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I kind of wonder if these refreshed 3rd gen Ryzen CPUs is why the release of the b550 boards got delayed so long

midnight pelican
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it might be, plus with all of amds compatibility issues in the past it would make sense for them to check everything with the b550 boards and the new cpus

lyric thistle
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X670 with an Athlon 220GE

cold sorrel
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I've still got to get my ancient desktop moved... but the mess on my desk is so bad. Why did I let it pile that high?

lyric thistle
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yes

cold sorrel
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Answer, because I've been using laptops for the last decade, I'm lazy, and sometimes I just threw things on the desk because I had nowhere else to put it.

lyric thistle
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yes

misty heron
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Are case prices up rn?

lyric thistle
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prolly

misty heron
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Hmm

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If cases arent good for airflow would more fans fix that?

sand falcon
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To a certain point yes. What components are you looking to put in the case?

misty heron
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Wdym?

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Like gpu cpu?

sand falcon
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Yeah. Depending on the components, the lower airflow might not be a problem

misty heron
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1660 and i7

sand falcon
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Which i7

misty heron
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8700k

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Is that a bad build?

viral ore
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for the price

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yes

misty heron
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Its the gpu isnt it haha

sand falcon
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It's a purdy build though

misty heron
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Thats what my cousin is going for haha

sand falcon
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you might be better off with a 2060/similar AMD model

viral ore
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to be honest, its super overpriced

sand falcon
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Yeah

viral ore
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that cpu is worth more like 150

sand falcon
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What is your planned use case?

misty heron
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The nzxt

viral ore
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gaming, i would assume

sand falcon
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Yeah. What sort of games?

misty heron
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He plays pubg rn

viral ore
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i would literally change every single part in this system

lyric thistle
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uh oh

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pugb

viral ore
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all those parts are not that great

sand falcon
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For pubg I would drop it back to 16GB

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Are you set on intel or is AMD an option?

misty heron
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Lol

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My cousin is saying hes prioritizing the looks first

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Uhh lemme ask

viral ore
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you can prioritize looks, without sacrificing the amount of perf like he is

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you dont see the cpu, so why such a bad one

misty heron
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He can switch it

viral ore
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tada

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better than the 8700k

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and cheaper

misty heron
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Ty ty

viral ore
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and newer

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but i would still suggest going AMD

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that was just an example

misty heron
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What would be a better amd one?

viral ore
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of how bad of a choice the 8700k really is

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the 3600

sand falcon
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^

misty heron
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Would the 2600x be better than 3600

viral ore
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no

lyric thistle
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would still be good

tepid basalt
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yep

lyric thistle
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just not 3600 good

tepid basalt
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better

sand falcon
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There was a big performance jump from 2### to 3###

tepid basalt
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interms of pp

misty heron
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What is the meaning of the i7 and i5?

viral ore
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heh

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nothing

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theyre marketing terms

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we just say 8700k

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or 3600

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because the prefixes carry no meaning

sand falcon
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Or 3990x

lyric thistle
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almost no meaning

viral ore
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yep

misty heron
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What about i5 9400F

viral ore
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almost?

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literally

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no meaning

misty heron
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Is that bad?

viral ore
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its not worth buying

tepid basalt
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What about i5 9400F
@misty heron just wait and get a 10400f

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better in gaming than r5

sand falcon
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There's a little bit. i3 are generally crap, i9 are generally decent

lyric thistle
viral ore
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heh

sand falcon
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Lol. I love that chip 🙂

lyric thistle
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2600? could be i7, could be Ryzen 5

viral ore
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well, context

lyric thistle
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:p

sand falcon
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I actually have someone requesting a free computer from our school. The system was an i3, but they were dead set on an i7, and we just happened to have a system with that chip in it 🙂

viral ore
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if i meant i7 2600, i would say i7, knowing you would assume the newer one, but because the i7 2600 is useless, who cares

misty heron
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You can takea computer from school!?!

sand falcon
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The school supplies teaching assistants with computers

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They have to bring them back when they're done working

misty heron
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Whattt

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Oh

sand falcon
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Does the build have to be white? You can save a lot of money if you drop to black+chrome

misty heron
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Let me ask

viral ore
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white builds are really cool if done right tho

misty heron
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This is his first time building

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He said black is fine too

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Only black and or white

viral ore
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im gonna do him up a nice white build

misty heron
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Aight imma try to edit it too

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But im still a noob

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Would more cores be more important than core speed?

sand falcon
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Okay. I'll try a black build to see what the differences end up being

lyric thistle
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both are important

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and CPU architecture

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and other things

sand falcon
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It really depends. For most games 4 cores are enough.

misty heron
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What would the extra cores do?

lyric thistle
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things

misty heron
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Lol

sand falcon
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Each core can do two things at any one time. If the computer needs to do more than that number of things, it will have to swap back and forth between what is running very fast

misty heron
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Ohhh ok

sand falcon
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Most games only need to do one to six things at a time, so they're fine on four cores. Streaming can use more or less as many things as the CPU can handle

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Will your cousin be streaming?

misty heron
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Uhh dont think so

sand falcon
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Okay. We might actually be able to drop the CPU back then

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@viral ore What do you think?

misty heron
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My cousin went to sleep btw

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So i cant really ask him anything unti tmrw

sand falcon
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Dang, okay

viral ore
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i was thinking the 3600, because its ideal for gaming price/perf wise

misty heron
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So it doesnt have to have alot of cores if no streaming?

sand falcon
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Not really. Extra cores are nice to have though

viral ore
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does he need wifi?

sand falcon
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^

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Good catch

misty heron
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I can not ask haha

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I think he can just take it from his current computer

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He has windows 10 already but it has cyberpower on it

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And he wants to get rid if that

sand falcon
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That's a big maybe

misty heron
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Nah he can steal from old pc

sand falcon
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It has a wifi card in it?

misty heron
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Wel he can access the internet on it

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So im assuming yes

sand falcon
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Cool, we'll go with that

misty heron
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If he has ethernet he can just move the cable

sand falcon
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Was the AIO an important feature, or would a nice looking tower cooler be an option?

misty heron
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Aio?

sand falcon
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The cooler 🙂

misty heron
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Uhh

viral ore
misty heron
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Ummm

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Explain?

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Which cooler?

viral ore
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this thing

sand falcon
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Beat me too it

misty heron
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He says he thinks about switching to watercooling

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Cause that might look hotter

viral ore
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AIOs look cool

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but are pricy

sand falcon
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Yes

misty heron
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Are there any cheap rgb water cooling things?

deep skiff
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aios are 50% for looks and 50% for performance

misty heron
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Wait those are water coolers rnt they

sand falcon
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Yup

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There are two main ways to do water cooling: AIOs and custom loops. Custom loops look sick but are kinda hard to pull off right. AIOs are a lot easier to work with

misty heron
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What did u have in mind for replacing it?

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If he were to

sand falcon
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If you were to go with non water cooling, probably a be quiet

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For looks, would you guys say a 4x4 would be acceptable for ram?

stoic island
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NH-D15 :D

tepid basalt
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D15 too big

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U12 ftw

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S for one fan

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A for asymmetrical look

misty heron
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Nah bro its not rgb hes not gonna take it

tepid basalt
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ah right...

sand falcon
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RGB it is

stoic island
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D15s

sand falcon
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Noctua?

stoic island
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s also has a cutout in the heatsink @tepid basalt

tepid basalt
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really?

severe girder
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Do y'all have any suggestions on external drives?

tepid basalt
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hmm leme check that again

stoic island
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yea for ram

tepid basalt
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ah

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right

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I totally forgot about that

sand falcon
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I'm gonna go with no on that bad boi

misty heron
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That looks ew

sand falcon
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tbf, noctua coolers are good, just ugly

tepid basalt
misty heron
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Better

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Its just the other ones color

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Ewww

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Aight i gotta head to sleep

tepid basalt
stoic island
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huh

misty heron
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I will be here again tmrw with more questions muhahaha

stoic island
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anyways

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I like beige

viral ore
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white builds are too hard

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especially nowadays

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i wish manufacturers would make more white components

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😢

tepid basalt
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you can choose steel legend from asrock, titanium (not b550 or x570) from msi, vision g from gbt for motherboard

viral ore
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not white enough

tepid basalt
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dude

sand falcon
tepid basalt
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he's asleep

misty heron
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^

stoic island
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@sand falcon why h510

sand falcon
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Cheaper, and I like the looks better

stoic island
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cxm got coil while

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H510 horrible price

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x570 gaming x is horrible price

deep skiff
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also just use stock cooler

stoic island
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eh

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could get like gammaxx 400

deep skiff
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or a $40 cooler

stoic island
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if you want good cooling

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yea

sand falcon
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I didn't even see the price on the case, it used to be cheaper. that's getting changed

stoic island
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nah

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it just went way up

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and bad airflow

sand falcon
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The AIO was a request, that's the cheapest one with corsair

stoic island
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I'd rather not suggest an AIO and just go with a good air cooler

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put that money into the GPU

sand falcon
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The guy wanted AIO, so I did AIO. I'd rather do air colling too

stoic island
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970 evo is too expensive... 2x16gb 3600cl16 neo is the same price as that 3200cl16

sand falcon
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The person who wants the build wants good looks, so I'm fully populating the RAM slots. I'd rather do 2x8 if it was up to me

stoic island
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Best buy pricing sucks ;)

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click on it

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it's out of stock

sand falcon
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Most AMD boards are out of stock right now

stoic island
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There

sand falcon
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Yellow and black is a no-go

stoic island
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1300$, still x570 board, higher frequency ram, cheaper ssd, better GPU, good case, better PSU

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yellow?

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what exactly is yellow?

sand falcon
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The MB

stoic island
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...

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theres barely any accents

sand falcon
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Yeah, I know

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It's not my build, the guy asked for black and white, nothing else

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Also RGB

stoic island
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There is rgb

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theres more rgb in that list than yours :P

sand falcon
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Only on the ram

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?

stoic island
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case

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3xaRGB fans

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none in h510

sand falcon
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I forgot about the case fans. I do like this case though, I'll swap it in

stoic island
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SSD, Mp34 is quite a bit cheaper for same performance

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GPU, its just better GPU :P

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put in 5700xt if you want to save money

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Neo ram is cheaper and higher frequency

sand falcon
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I've never heard of the Team MP guys. How's reliability?

stoic island
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It's got a crazy high write endurance so...

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it might even be higher than the 970 evo I need to check

sand falcon
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How high?

stoic island
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god damn

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it's like 2x the 970 evo on 1tb

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Tom's hardware.

sand falcon
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I'm kinda skeptical of that. That seems unusually high

cursive wharf
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On the Team website there was a "meh" note on it. Def made it seem like a marketing thing and not realistic thing

stoic island
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ye

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so even if you halve it

cursive wharf
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Either way, Team's reliability on their decent drives are just as good as any other

stoic island
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for a reasonable number

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@sand falcon well MP510 is still higher TBW endurance than it

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but thats from overprovisioning

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Mp34 just has a big dram cache I believe

sand falcon
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Probably should avoid overprovisioning if the 512 is the only drive in the build

stoic island
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..?

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yea I'm just listing an example

tepid basalt
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the 3 years warranty of that mp34 drive still makes me think

sand falcon
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I know

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Most SSDs have a 3 year warrenty from what I've seen

stoic island
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it's not that bad

tepid basalt
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no, the standard is 5

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equals 60 months

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yeah ik

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still

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if you're announcing your tbw to be that high

stoic island
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side note, @cursive wharf know anything about a80 switching controllers

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tepid basalt
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why only 3 years

cursive wharf
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welp, nice to know that

stoic island
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still lists e12, but thats in the notes :p

sand falcon
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The MB has a SSD shield, so I'm gonna swap in an ugly drive 🙂

cursive wharf
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"ugly" drive?

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Just about any decent NVMe looks more or less like MP34/MP510/970 EVO

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decent as in specs and quality

sand falcon
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I was being partially sarcastic. I don't usually build for looks, so this is odd for me

cursive wharf
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Do two builds. One that is 100% for his looks and another build that is 95% what he asks. As in removing the AIO and dealing with the barely noticeable yellow accents

stoic island
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I'll keep this around

cursive wharf
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@stoic island Also note CX isnt available on Amazon

stoic island
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god damn it

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cant trust amazon

sand falcon
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Return policy is good, everything else is bad 🙂

sacred obsidian
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iunno 2 day shipping is nice

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and they own audible

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which i use religiously

sand falcon
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That is nice, that's true

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AWS is also good

stoic island
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god damn

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I don't like the new psu tier list

deep skiff
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lol

sand falcon
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Yeah

cursive wharf
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New tier list is better for getting info tho

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the "notes" section in the spreadsheet for it is a lot more useful now

stoic island
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its not complete lol

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tryna figure out neo eco zen

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it's not in the notes

sand falcon
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I'm gonna put the 2070 in the purdy build too. Maybe convince the guy looks aren't everything

cursive wharf
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It is

stoic island
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just reading a translated Vietnamese review right now

cursive wharf
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NE Zen

stoic island
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um its not there on this sheet?

cursive wharf
stoic island
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bruh

cursive wharf
stoic island
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thats it?

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I saw it and I was like oh thats a small thing

cursive wharf
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Ye, I'd say main issue is noise

tepid basalt
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what vietnamese review?

stoic island
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lol

cursive wharf
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under like 65% load load on 700w NE Zen it got loud

tepid basalt
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oh yeah

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that page

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they're really good

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just not consistent in releasing reviews

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mostly because all the reviewers can't earn living from doing these

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psu reviewing is just their hobby

sand falcon
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Why are there rgb psu 😭

tepid basalt
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f14 is from a subforum in our big tech forum, voz

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Why are there rgb psu 😭
@sand falcon why not?

stoic island
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theres watercooled

sand falcon
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So many cases have a PSU shroud, so what's the point?

tepid basalt
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that reminds me

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is there any color changing coolant?

sand falcon
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Yes

cursive wharf
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So that they can sell you "meh" quality PSUs at premium price and try to justify it with RGB

tepid basalt
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well yeah

sand falcon
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It's temp dependant though, so you can't really control it

cursive wharf
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color changing from temps?

sand falcon
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yeah

tepid basalt
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just changing on the go

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I don't really mind the changing condition

cursive wharf
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RGB PSUs just do rainbow effect, not by temp afaik

tepid basalt
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ah no, I mean coolant in water cooling system

sand falcon
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Yeah, that was what I was referencing

tepid basalt
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ik rgb psu is just for show

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that's stupid

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you psu will be face down anw

stoic island
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I mean theres rgb tubes I think

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with rgb at the end of the tubes

deep skiff
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rgb water

cursive wharf
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@stoic island RGB fittings

sand falcon
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RGB hdmi cable

cursive wharf
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which made the tubing look RGB

tepid basalt
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dem

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they really go all out on rgb

sand falcon
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I have an RGB monitor

tepid basalt
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and I have a sRGB monitor

sand falcon
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🙃

stoic island
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motherboard pricing

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and ram frequency

sand falcon
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Yeah, I don't like the ram either

stoic island
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@sand falcon just realized, don't go 5700xt, they want to stream

sand falcon
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They don't want to stream

stoic island
sand falcon
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This build is for his cousin

stoic island
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huh

sand falcon
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Motherboard pricing is only that high because there's some guy selling a used one on amazon for 400 dollars or so. It's usualy $170

stoic island
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Usually

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but not now :p

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x570-p is usually 150$

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not now

sand falcon
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It's out of stock right now, it should be back soon

stoic island
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I mean

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RM650x should've been back a while ago

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I'd rather look at now

sand falcon
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Right now it's being sold by some ripoff seller called TopPricesBestBuyDotCom

grim osprey
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I was thinking about getting a gaming pc all I found that’s in my budget is a 3.8ghz i5 do y’all think that’s good enough to game on

sand falcon
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What i5

little osprey
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Bro it’s a ryzen 5 3600 just wait until a nice b550 board comes out

grim osprey
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Intel 5 processed

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Processor

sand falcon
#

Which intel 5 processor

grim osprey
#

Lemme find out I’ll send the link on amazon

sand falcon
#

Okay. i5 means basically nothing

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Bro it’s a ryzen 5 3600 just wait until a nice b550 board comes out
@little osprey
That would be the best bet, there just aren't any b550 I can put in the list

grim osprey
#

I msged u

#

Bob

little osprey
#

Yea I’ve seen some nice ones from gigabyte

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And Asud

#

Asus*

sand falcon
#

Yeah, PPP hasn't added them yet though 😦

wise garden
#

Tell me guys,i5 9400f is better than ryzen 5 2600x and what you prefer b/w both of these.I will be doing gaming and streaming both.So kindly give your opinions!!1

stoic island
#

3300x

wide sparrow
#

Mmmm

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Its only quad core tho

#

Gaming and streaming would require more

#

But 8 threads

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Yeah 3300x

stoic island
#

Offload to GPU tho

wide sparrow
#

Ah ok

stoic island
#

Think 6c6t Intel CPU in games

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Plus 2t doing random stuff

#

With GPU handling much of the streaming encoding and stuff

wide sparrow
#

You're right

sand falcon
#

2600x has twice the threads though

stoic island
#

iPC improvements for gaming.

wide sparrow
#

Can't wait for 4000 series

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Amd always seems like they have a new trick up their sleeves

wise garden
#

Benchmarks are showing that i5 9400f is away head in terms of fps.Why is that??Instead the ryzen have more thread.

stoic island
#

Intel single core performance

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3rd gen ryzen should do better

wise garden
#

oh! nice so which ryzen processor actually best to compete with intel 9400f??

stoic island
#

3300x should be pretty comparable

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And 3600

wise garden
#

BTW i5 9400f is good or it cannot handle streaming that nice??

twilit salmon
#

I use the 9400F with a bottleneck and it’s still good but haven’t tried streaming as my internet connection is horrible

little osprey
#

So I have heard and talked to different people and most people say Ryzen is better in then intel for gaming

tepid basalt
#

nope

#

that's not true

#

the latency between ccx makes ryzen worse in gaming comparing to intel

#

last gen, intel lacks hyperthreading so their 1% lows is significantly worse than ryzen

#

but 10th gen arrived and now 10400f can beat 3600 despite lower ram speed on B and H boards

twilit salmon
#

Is the Intel Wi-Fi 6 AX200 (Gig+) Desktop Kit good? I want to get it but use my only M.2 slot for my boot drive and also is it possible to buy a extension for the M.2 to plug it into a PCIe

tepid basalt
#

yes, it's possible

#

your wording is better this time so now I can understand what is it you ask

#

something like this

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just mind the spacing

#

big gpu on mATX will block the rest of the PCIe connector

twilit salmon
#

Alright mines a ATX thanks

cursive wharf
#

@tepid basalt Based on GNs video, the 10400F was beaten by the 3600 and was barely farther ahead of the 3300x

#

Esp with the RAM speeds severely affecting the perf of Intel. 3200 to 2666 is still a big jump even for Intel

tepid basalt
#

based on techpowerup's review, the 10400f even with 2666, still beat the 3600 running 3200 cl16

#

some games, it's like 10 to 15 fps difference

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in some, there's just less than 2 fps

#

but in general, the 10400f running 2666 is 3% faster than 3600 running 3200 cl16

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and if you pair it with the same ram as the 3600, the difference is 7%

#

so gaming and pp wise, I'd say they're comparable

#

but it's undeniable 10400f sounds more appealing outside the us

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due to bad ram pricing

#

and I guess for some reason, intel doesn't play really nice with tight timings, at least in gn's video

little osprey
#

hello

foggy bough
#

hello

sand falcon
#

hello

tired turtle
#

Hello

atomic oasis
#

Planets aligned last night, and prices were right.. ordered the parts... order got split in two.. and one part shipped while the other is "processing" even payment was made last night lol

stoic island
#

@tepid basalt also do remember testing setup varies between reviewers

potent prairie
tepid basalt
#

@tepid basalt also do remember testing setup varies between reviewers
@stoic island sure

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and I think techpowerup setup is closer to reality than gn

sullen spoke
#

never saw that pic before

sand falcon
#

You put this in the wrong chat

tepid basalt
#

because it's quite difficult to get 3200 cl14 outside US

sullen spoke
#

oh wait

#

im in the wrong chat 😛

tepid basalt
#

steve tried to potray best case scenario

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while tpu gives a more realistic view

#

now I finally understand what's been bugging me since I watched the review of the 10400 from gn

stoic island
#

@tepid basalt what exactly makes that difference?

#

Both using best case motherboard

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Same cl14 timings

#

Except I don't know if tpu does manual voltage

#

Also since when did GN make a 10400 video...

tepid basalt
#

tpu used 2666 cl16

stoic island
#

Think GN did too

tepid basalt
#

idk why, but the performance from 10400f is better

#

no

#

steve used cl14 or 15 iirc

stoic island
#

On their lowered ram demonstration

#

Lemme go check again

tepid basalt
#

tighter

stoic island
#

But since when did GN have a 10400 vid..

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They only made dedicated vids on 10900k 10700k 10600k afaik

tepid basalt
#

just check again

#

he did

#

DO NOT BUY: 10400

stoic island
#

Ick the article isn't up

tepid basalt
#

yeah

#

for some reason there's no article for this one

stoic island
#

Cl15 is pretty normal on 2666mhz

#

Yea cl14 might've been wack, but you can prob to 2666cl14 if you had a kit of 3200cl16

tepid basalt
#

yeah but the thing is you can see cl16 is better than cl14 in 10400 case

stoic island
#

I also don't see how slightly tighter timings hurt intel chip?

#

What

tepid basalt
#

you see that in tpu game test, 10400f is above 3600 no matter kit it runs, right?

#

but in gn's test, 2666 makes 10400 slower

coarse moth
tepid basalt
#

and on "standard" 3200 cl14 kit, 10400 pulls ahead

coarse moth
#

To me it looks like the AMD is slightly better

stoic island
#

You sure?

agile goblet
#

Hi

tepid basalt
#

okay for some reason I missed that one

#

dunno why

stoic island
#

@coarse moth AMD is just far ahead in terms of value

tepid basalt
#

but the rest is what I said

stoic island
#

Also use pcpartpicker

tepid basalt
#

@coarse moth just why pair x570 with 3600 and use a rx 570?

#

what

#

is your intention?

stoic island
tepid basalt
#

ah yeah

#

forgot to mention that one too

stoic island
#

:p

coarse moth
#

@tepid basalt Intent is to have discrete GPU for HW acceleration for graphics rendering in a photography workflow

stoic island
#

Should I keep looking

tepid basalt
#

if you want

stoic island
#

Oh fun

#

I'm gonna get up now

tepid basalt
#

I don't think there's any exceptions left

stoic island
#

Can't be in bed all day

tepid basalt
#

in the end, 10400f is 3% faster using 2666

#

in gaming

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7% faster with 3200MT/s ram

#

but i won't mention that

sand falcon
#

For a photography work flow, the higher multithread performance of AMD will be a huge boost

tepid basalt
#

pairing 10400f with z board is just dumb

#

unless there's an entry board

stoic island
#

Yea also ignore the bclk ocs

tepid basalt
#

about that...

stoic island
#

Hehe

tepid basalt
#

asus and asrock may want to have a word...

stoic island
#

It's just a leak

#

Also I don't think it was bclk they're unlocking, just freq

tepid basalt
#

no, there's already advertisement from asus themselves

#

yeah

#

they just trick the system and raise its tdp

stoic island
#

I'd wait and see

#

Ye

tepid basalt
#

though the boost freq looks boring to me

sand falcon
#

@coarse moth AMD build will likely give far better prtformance for photography. If you go up to a 3700x or 3800x you'll be even better off

tepid basalt
#

@coarse moth I know nothing about photography workload, but you shouldn't waste money on the motherboard

stoic island
#

Also @coarse moth what's overall budget and what do you need? I'll make a list

tepid basalt
#

x570 is overkill

coarse moth
#

nod

sand falcon
#

Photography is largely multithreaded and ram intensive

tepid basalt
#

so the extra money from going b450 or b550 instead of x570 plus a little more will land u a 3700x

sand falcon
#

Not quite so ram hungry as video editing, but 16GB would be a minimum for most cases

coarse moth
#

@stoic island Just spitballing ideas for an upgrade. ATX form factor up to full, budget around $500-$800, at least 8GB video and 32GB Ram wanted. Use case is primarly photography, some video, running Linux/Darktable

#

@tepid basalt I see what you mean

stoic island
#

Oh I see, what are you upgrading from?

sand falcon
#

What parts will you be able to reuse?

#

Also, what distro?

coarse moth
#

@stoic island Intel i5-4690k and an NVidia GeForce GTX 770

#

@sand falcon Assume the case, power supply, fans, and storage are all good

sand falcon
#

Cool

coarse moth
#

@sand falcon I use Arch, BTW

sand falcon
#

Of course you do

#

🤣

coarse moth
#

I mean, what else, right?

#

I think it's required that I say it exactly that way

#

Otherwise the distro police come down on me

sand falcon
#

I use a minimized debian, just because it has better support from nvidia for ML applications

coarse moth
#

Oh.. @stoic island prefer AMD to NVidia for discrete GPU. NVidia support on Linux is iffy

sand falcon
#

^^^^^^^^^

stoic island
#

yeye I was planning on 5700xt anyways

sand falcon
#

On Linux the rule is if you don't need cuda, get AMD

stoic island
#

hmm

coarse moth
#

Even with cuda, it's not all that

stoic island
#

3600+5700xt or 3700x+5600xt?

coarse moth
#

@stoic island pros/cons?

sand falcon
#

Do you see more cpu utilization or gpu utilization right now?

stoic island
#

^

coarse moth
#

Hang on, not used to monitoring my GPU 😛

#

AT the moment, mostly CPU

#

Kinda hard to gauge though

stoic island
#

I think photography isn't too reliant on GPU, but video editing is more

sand falcon
#

Probably want the higher end CPU then

coarse moth
#

Processing doesn't care about the GPU until it's time to render

#

Video is less than 10% of my business

stoic island
#

alright 3700x+5600xt it is then

#

or 5700

#

for 8gb vram

#

very expensive tho

sand falcon
#

Might even go 3800x over 3700x

stoic island
#

lemme check if any cheaper good b450 boards are in stock

sand falcon
#

Forgot about mobo, my bad

#

I think there's a gigabyte mATX at $90 right now

#

At least there was yesterday

stoic island
#

ye aorus m at 95$

#

steel legend might be better I'll have to check

high coyote
#

I’m spending 1K or more on cooling lmao

#

Just cooling

coarse moth
#

Don't have to get super-specific right now.

#

Part of the plan is incremental upgrades

sand falcon
#

Cool

coarse moth
#

Obvi, CPU/Mobo/Ram will have to be done at one shot

sand falcon
#

I'd go with a slightly higher latency ram though

stoic island
#

higher latency?

high coyote
#

Why higher

sand falcon
#

It's cheaper

high coyote
#

The heck

#

Just stop

stoic island
#

pog b450m pro is in stock again

deep skiff
#

that means worse performance

high coyote
#

^

stoic island
sand falcon
#

20 to 30 dollars depending on the kit, not that big of an impact on performance

deep skiff
#

its like $5

high coyote
#

Jesus that budget build is amazing for what your getting lmao

stoic island
#

its just mobo cpu ram gpu

#

I'd rather not go below 3600cl16 with Ryzen 3rd gen

#

they like their ram

sand falcon
#

That's true

high coyote
#

I’m still trying to figure out what cpu I want

stoic island
#

I think 13$ over budget isn't bad

sand falcon
#

Also the cheap stuff is out of stock rn, so yeah

#

Why does 5500xt have more ram than 5600xt?

deep skiff
#

the only other cheap ram i'd get would be e die but that needs tweaking to get good performance

coarse moth
#

I don't think I've seen many micro boards with m.2

stoic island
#

the 5500xt does?

#

thought that was also 6gb

deep skiff
#

5500xt has 4/8 gb iirc

#

yuh it does

stoic island
#

why

sand falcon
#

Yeah, there are 8gb ones

stoic island
#

8gb

#

...

sand falcon
#

That's weird

stoic island
#

rx580 2.0?

deep skiff
#

like the 570/80

#

yea

#

its the replacement for it

lyric thistle
#

5500XT would be nice but 1650 Super is my speed for now :>

stoic island
#

200$ huh

formal plover
sand falcon
#

Might actually drop back to 5500 then. I think ram will be more important than core count

stoic island
#

might be worth dunno

sand falcon
#

Where does that put us?

stoic island
#

723$

#

and please dont go 3800x

#

it's got nothing over 3700x

#

I own a 3800x

sand falcon
#

3800x has slightly higher clock speeds and slightly lowe ccx latency

deep skiff
#

you can oc the 3700x to basically be a 3800x

sand falcon
#

You can oc the 3800x too

stoic island
#

Yes

#

not as much tho

#

It's the same sillicon

deep skiff
#

yeah but its not worth the $30+, 3700x is a great deal rn

stoic island
#

3800x just slightly higher binned

sand falcon
#

Yeah, rn the 3700x is a really good deal

coarse moth
#

Gotta be honest, makes me wish I had the cash in my pocket

stoic island
#

@coarse moth oh and do you need wifi

coarse moth
#

No, I'm hard-wired

sand falcon
#

Does the mb you picked out have zen2 support out of the box @stoic island?

stoic island
#

ye

sand falcon
#

Cool

stoic island
#

723$ before tax

coarse moth
#

I like it, thanks

sand falcon
#

Why not the MSI 5500xt?

coarse moth
#

Gives me a better idea of AMD builds

stoic island
#

eh MSI has cooling issues on amd

#

the mech oc does at least

little leaf
#

Why no psu or storage

#

Or case?

coarse moth
#

@little leaf wasn't in the request. This is a largely academic exercise anyways

sand falcon
#

He has case et all

coarse moth
#

@little leaf upgrade

little leaf
#

Aight

#

Whats he planning to do with the build?

sand falcon
#

Actually the pc is going to be sitting loose on the desk and run off a usb drive

coarse moth
#

I need something to level my desk

#

j/k photo processing workflow with a bit of video dabbling

stoic island
#

It's an upgrade

#

thats why no case psu storage

#

The goal is photography and video editing on linux for <800$

little leaf
#

Seems good

coarse moth
#

I appreciate the education 🙂

sand falcon
#

I like this build 🙂

little leaf
#

If you cut 20 dollars off the build you could get a 5700

sand falcon
stoic island
#

@little leaf which one

#

mech oc has cooling issues

coarse moth
#

Imagine this in a white Fractal case with tempered glass, a 500 GB m.2 nVME, an SSD purely for a VM, and a 4TB WD Blue for long term storage

#

@little osprey I use Arch BTW

sand falcon
#

I, BTW, use debian

little leaf
#

@stoic island he could probably get a cheaper board but wouldnt have as much features

#

He had 800 right

coarse moth
#

Debian's no slouch. It's what I switched from, on the testing distro. I went to Arch for constant rolling release and fresher packages.

#

@little leaf I'm not buying right now but $500-$800 is the theoretical budget

sand falcon
#

The cheaper boards are out of stock right now. If you're willing to wait, you can get ~$20 cheaper on the mobo

little leaf
#

Ye boards a little pricey atm

sand falcon
#

Arch is good, but it doesn't play nicely with cuda and ml 😦

stoic island
#

Yea

next kestrel
#

I need help testing a used rx 580 I have a system that I could test off of, with working configs but with a 1660 super what programs to uninstall/install before installing the card?

stoic island
#

b450m pro is really good tho

coarse moth
#

Why do you think it was such a pain for me to figure out my current GPU utilization

sand falcon
#

yup

#

nvidia-smi not working though?

next kestrel
#

halp

sand falcon
#

He will be. He currently has nvidia

still roostBOT
#
BinaryHulledIon#0591 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

coarse moth
#

Oops

sand falcon
#

@next kestrel You'll want to remove the amd card drivers

next kestrel
#

the nvidia driver?

#

I have 1660 super

coarse moth
#

nvidia-smi wasn't giving me a utilization percentage. It did give me a fan speed percentage, which wasn't super-helpful.

sand falcon
#

Oh, yeah. I was reading the message backwards

#

Yes, the nvidia driver

next kestrel
#

geforce experience and the control panel?

#

or everything that says nvidia

sand falcon
#

Everything that you can find that says nvidia

next kestrel
#

should i install amd software before?

sand falcon
#

@little osprey You use the ubuntu 18.04 .sh from the nvidia website and it works

#

@next kestrel Install the amd software after you put in the amd card

next kestrel
#

ok, will try, ty

sand falcon
#

Best of luck

coarse moth
sand falcon
#

Why would they crash?

#

It's working fine

coarse moth
#

Never did like Ubuntu

sand falcon
#

Ubuntu is pretty bad though

#

I'm also grepping out GPU utilization on the polybar

#

I use debian, not ubuntu

coarse moth
#

The mother distro

sand falcon
#

Yup. Pulled down the server install and put i3 on it

coarse moth
#

I did get tired of navigating complaints that I modified my sources list whenever I wanted support from Debian

#

But otherwise, they're rock-solid

sand falcon
#

@here Use linux. It's better

#

Let's see what happens

#

I'm honestly surprised it let me do that with no warning.

#

BSD is.....

coarse moth
#

not M

sand falcon
#

......no

#

M?

coarse moth
#

n/m

sand falcon
#

Or just use Linux in the first place

#

Have any of you tried alpine?

next kestrel
#

I uninstalled all nvidia related applications

#

Installed the rx 580

#

And the keyboard/mouse light up

#

And im able to change the dpi of the mouse and color of keyboard

#

But no signal on monitor

cloud drum
#

Do PSU fans face down or up

next kestrel
#

Up

sand falcon
#

@cloud drum depends on the case

coarse moth
#

?

cloud drum
#

?

sand falcon
#

@next kestrel do you have a cpu or apu

cloud drum
#

Apu?

next kestrel
#

Cpu

sand falcon
#

Is there grating on the case under the psu @cloud drum?

next kestrel
#

2600x

cloud drum
#

There's a dust filter thing

#

a tray you can pull out

sand falcon
#

If there's a dust filter, you can point it either direction

cloud drum
#

Oh ok

sand falcon
#

Also: cable management

next kestrel
#

Can u help w/ my problem tho

sand falcon
#

Yes

#

Do you not get any sort of display output @next kestrel?

coarse moth
#

@next kestrel do you get any display at boot?

next kestrel
#

Nope

sand falcon
#

This is the GPU that you were concerned might be toast?

next kestrel
#

Yeahh

#

I bought it used so...

#

100$

coarse moth
#
  1. Check the bios
#
  1. pull the GPU and run off of the CPU if possible
sand falcon
#

2600x, no internal graphics

next kestrel
#

Trying cmos reset rn

coarse moth
#

Just 1 display plugged in, right? What's the interface?

next kestrel
#

1 display yes

#

Interface?

coarse moth
#

dvi/displayport/hdmi

next kestrel
#

Hdmi

coarse moth
#

Does it have a DVI port?

next kestrel
#

My monitor?

coarse moth
#

Your GPU

next kestrel
#

Yes

coarse moth
#

Try that if you can

next kestrel
#

Dont have the wire to connect to monitor

#

Nope :((

#

I've been only using hdmi

coarse moth
#

We're all just trying to figure out which port your PC is deciding is primary at boot

next kestrel
#

Will try once I get cable

coarse moth
#

You might just have to swap out to a known good GPU and start from there

next kestrel
#

I do have one

#

And it works

#

With hdmi

#

Idk if power supply can take that tho

coarse moth
#

At boot it'll be fine

next kestrel
#

Ok

coarse moth
#

Bad GPU should throw a bios error

next kestrel
#

500

#

Which one do I plug my monitor into?

compact latch
#

??I would love to know how your 1070ti only pulls 120watts

potent prairie
#

Wow...

#

I am blown away by the thermals I'm getting with new thermal paste

#

Like corsair's stock CPU TIM is literal trash

#

Peaks of 70 degrees vs 90 degrees at full load

little osprey
#

what paste are you using

zealous epoch
#

can a ryzen 5 1600 run with a gigabite 960GPU?

little osprey
#

a 1060 would work better but a 960 would work good with it

zealous epoch
#

i have to buy parts a few per month so GPU is last

little osprey
#

try to test your parts if you can so you can see if they work so if not you can send them back

zealous epoch
#

my MOBO is B450M MSI pro MAX

little osprey
#

what ram do you have

zealous epoch
#

G.skill 3200

little osprey
#

yeah that good g skill is good and the ram speed is good to

#

8 gb or 16 gb

zealous epoch
#

16GB MOBO can do upto 64GB

#

this is my K-mart gamer rig..LOL

little osprey
#

you might be able to update the bios so if you wanna go up to ryzen 3000 later on

zealous epoch
#

ya it shows all the big CPU's that it takes but not the low end

little osprey
#

yeah but its b40 so your cpu will run good with it

zealous epoch
#

my last build was back in 2012, it's just now crappleing out

little osprey
#

yeah i just moved to pc i was a ps4 gamer for a long time but i like pc more

zealous epoch
#

welcome home

little osprey
#

yep and when the new nvida cards come out i will see if there any good

zealous epoch
#

Nvida has never failed gemers.

little osprey
#

we just have to see if the amd cards are any good when the come out

zealous epoch
#

AMD GPU's?

little osprey
#

yeah like radeon

tired turtle
#

hey hey gamers

little osprey
#

hi

tired turtle
#

how you be

zealous epoch
#

ello

little osprey
#

we are just talking about pc parts

tired turtle
#

ooh fun

zealous epoch
#

missing my game ,tryin to slap a rig together in a hot min.

little osprey
#

yeah but that 960 would run good with your 5 1600

zealous epoch
#

guna have to for now as all the PC builders shutter lol

little osprey
#

are you getting the gpu new or used

potent prairie
#

@little osprey
Using Thermal Grizzly Kryonought (ik that is not how it's spelled)

zealous epoch
#

when i do buy one it will be a 1650

little osprey
#

a 1650 or 960

zealous epoch
#

i have my old 960 i need to buy a new GPU down the road

little osprey
#

on amazon the 1650 is going for $160 and on micro center its going for $190

#

my bad I'm looking at the 1650 super on micro center the 1650 is also $160 on micro center

zealous epoch
#

my MOBO was 190 to 200 most places but Wal-mart had it for $101

little osprey
#

was it a combo pack like mobo and cpu

zealous epoch
#

no

little osprey
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the other places might have had a combo pack and thats why it was 190

zealous epoch
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nope it was just the MOBO no frills

little osprey
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then you got a good deal for it then

zealous epoch
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i should say newwegg had it best but sold out fast

little osprey
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how much was it on newegg

zealous epoch
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i think it was $89, i added to cart an it said sold out

little osprey
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Opinions?

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thats sad

zealous epoch
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got my case from them , also best price, in mail atm

little osprey
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You got the deepcool matrexx?

stoic island
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Bad motherboard

little osprey
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What's the issue with it?

zealous epoch
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darkFlash DLM21 MESH Micro ATX Mini ITX Tower MicroATX White Computer Case with Door Opening Tempered Glass Side Panel & Mesh Front Panel

little osprey
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@stoic island What's the issue with it?

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What about this

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that looks good to me

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Alright

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not a lot of fan headers on it so look out for that

zealous epoch
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i have fans for days, double clicked a 5 pack.lol

little osprey
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I need a mobo with 6 fan headers

zealous epoch
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buy a fan hub

little osprey
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For one extra fan though

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Because this mobo only supports 5

stoic island
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VRM heating issues

little osprey
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or

zealous epoch
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6 fans, u want it to fly?

little osprey
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3 front, 2 top, one back

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Also one for the cpu cooler

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AMD Wraith Prism

deep skiff
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why not just use a fan hub?

little osprey
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I'll do that

somber topaz
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Thanks Newegg, you came in for the X570 Master when Amazon couldn't 🥵