building-and-recc-chat

[normal brook]

manual*

[lyric thistle]

looking up if it matters

[normal brook]

You could accidentally be putting it in a x8 slot. Which could potentially slow it down.

[robust plover]

@normal brook do you mind going on best buy and looking at the $750 gaming pc and seeing if it's good or not

[normal brook]

@robust plover , yeah.

[lyric thistle]

looks like it does, but not totally

idk

[normal brook]

@robust plover It's decent for the price, the ram is a little lacking. I would get 16GB.

But you can buy that separate with the money you're saving from the $850 computer.

[robust plover]

Ok thanks

[normal brook]

@robust plover a good thing to do to check if you're getting a good price is to build the same computer on newegg.

If you can't beat the price on newegg, it's probably a decent price.

[robust plover]

Ok thanks

[normal brook]

How do you paste in images?

I checked the motherboard manual.

Looks like the second slot is capable of x16

[pastel briar]

@polar goblet what middle piece? the connectors will just slot into place, also use the top slot which is PCIE 16x, some boards will cut the second slot by half (not sure about your board) but the top slot generally is where you want to put the GPU for maximum performance

[sudden turret]

that stays in.

and yeah you want you gpu in this slot @polar goblet

[latent storm]

hey crazy, his board has two x16 slots i believe

[polar goblet]

Ah back in the day you use to be able to knock those out to open up the slot ha

[last cypress]

@pastel briar thank you, I’ll check it out and see if i put it on the right header. Also, does it make a difference if it’s an AIO liquid cooler?

[latent storm]

what processor do you have

[polar goblet]

Okay yeah it fits in between the two

Ryzen 9 3900x
The wrath prism cooler looks like it might be blocking it though

[lyric thistle]

does it actually do 16 lanes on the second slot tho

[latent storm]

it says it’s x16 mode

[sudden turret]

it wont block it

[lyric thistle]

that's 2nd gen Ryzen spec

[latent storm]

but for second gen ryzen

yeah

so probably stick it in the top slot if you can

[lyric thistle]

is this the second 16x slot? four lanes if so

I remember other Asus spec sheets being more specific 😔

[normal brook]

How do you paste images?

[lyric thistle]

ctrl v

[normal brook]

Nvm.

[lyric thistle]

oh wait

[normal brook]

It let me this time.

Didn't lelt me before.

[lyric thistle]

wow

[polar goblet]

I will eventually buy the pcie expansion so I can mount it vertically. But I have to wait on shipping and ready to get this baby up and going

When I use the expansion. It’ll go in slot 1 as well?

[normal brook]

@polar goblet Is there really not room? Sounds pretty strange that the card wouldn't fit in the top slot...

[little leaf]

@polar goblet it should mount on the top slot

[polar goblet]

Didn’t look like it. Or just a tight fit. I’ll try it in 3 mins

[little leaf]

What do you mean by tight fit

[normal brook]

@polar goblet It will fit. It goes into the second and third case slots.

You're probably thinking it goes into the top one.

[polar goblet]

Between the gpu and the wrath prism cooler.
Wanted to give them some space in between

[normal brook]

Ahh.

That is a thing, but the fans arent starved.

If they fit, you should use the top most slot.

[polar goblet]

But it’s fine for now. I’ll move it when the expansion comes in the mail

[little osprey]

anyone ever get those enlabs dust filters? or any random dust filters? wondering if they choke airflow like crazy

[normal brook]

@polar goblet Be careful, some of those vertical mounts put your GPU fans right against the glass case starving it for air.

[polar goblet]

Oo okay noted! Let me put it there and see for the moment

[pastel briar]

@last cypress it can, if your board has a pump header the pump should to that, the fan should go into CPU1 and that should make every thing happy

[midnight pelican]

u@

why do motherboards have batteries

like the little button battery

[lyric thistle]

CMOS

consoles have them too

[midnight pelican]

whats cmos

[lyric thistle]

mostly for time keeping and settings in the BIOS, basic small data like that

[midnight pelican]

isnt that ur oc profile?

[lyric thistle]

it keeps it alive

[little osprey]

cmos is cmos

[midnight pelican]

ah

[lyric thistle]

cmos is cmos

that be how it be

[midnight pelican]

what if it runs out of battery

[little osprey]

it do be like that sometimes

just dont run out of battery

[midnight pelican]

would u need to buy a new batteryy

[lyric thistle]

time is no longer kept if you unplug the computer

settings too

yes

unless you don't mind losing that (mostly) trivial data every time it's unplugged

[midnight pelican]

does it charge the battrey while the computer is on

[sudden turret]

no

[midnight pelican]

hm

well then how does it not run out

[little osprey]

you ask question. he say no. you saw hm

funny fortnite moment

cringe

[midnight pelican]

well

@lyric thistle does trivial mean important or unimportant

[lyric thistle]

unimportant

[midnight pelican]

ah

well

[lyric thistle]

it's not going to wipe your drives

[midnight pelican]

i have a tiny flashlight and i dont have any other button batteries

so ill just use that one for now

[little osprey]

ok

[lyric thistle]

although if you leave an SSD unplugged for a long time it will slowly leak its data and wipe

[midnight pelican]

wait

w h a t

[little osprey]

lmao

[midnight pelican]

thats ok

i dont need any data

my bios has games

[little osprey]

the data just drips out in liquid form

[lyric thistle]

it probably takes a really long time, so if you turn on your computer like once a month or whatever it's fine

yes

liquid data

which the ISPs collect in their data sponges

[midnight pelican]

how does that work

can we see what data water has

[lyric thistle]

the ISPs bottle the data and sell it to system integrators

[little osprey]

@midnight pelican plz be joking lmfao

[midnight pelican]

wait

but u said they can store data in liquid

so what if theres a bunch of data in water we dont know abt

we should see if we can read the data in waer

water

[lyric thistle]

the dinosaurs have been sending rudimentary programs in their drinking water this whole time

but anyway, your data should be safe on an SSD

just don't leave it with precious data for a decade on a shelf

[midnight pelican]

what if i open up my hdd and scratch it up with a screw driver

[lyric thistle]

then it's broken

[midnight pelican]

F

i dont understand how data works

how does it get stored on a little disk

[normal brook]

I'm going to create a youtube channel.

[lyric thistle]

nice

[normal brook]

Pretty stoked.

I just need to figure out what kind of mic I'm going to get.

I want the little ones that you wire through your shirt.

Oh and I need a capture card.

[lyric thistle]

you could take the microphone out of an old laptop and fashion it into a lapel mic

[normal brook]

Was thinking about the Elgato 4k60 card.

Nice.

I like the way you think.

Maybe I will just hang and old laptop from my neck at all times.

[lyric thistle]

lol

https://youtu.be/WLP_L7Mgz6M?t=448

[normal brook]

I think I saw this on my youtube feed.

I'm kinda hungry and my girlfriend is feeling a little lazy to make food...

So to combat this situation, I'm going to look up delicious looking food.

And see if it makes her want to make food. xD

[desert gyro]

Anyone got any 600 dollar pc builds by chance

[midnight pelican]

which one

[normal brook]

Damn it didn't work.

She just laughed. She saw right through me.

@midnight pelican WD Black 1TB

[midnight pelican]

cool

[normal brook]

@desert gyro Market is a little tough right now. Finding stuff in general is hard let alone for a good price.

[last cypress]

@pastel briar hey it worked I had it on the wrong header, I turned on my Pc and it booted up and went straight to Bios instead of getting Cpu fan error message and to press F1 to enter bios. Thank you so much for the help.

[little osprey]

Ok so I’m kinda stupid, I upgraded from Ryzen 2nd gen to 3rd gen without updating the bios beforehand, is it possible to update the bios without taking the pc back apart?

[lyric thistle]

lol no

[sudden turret]

you'll need that ryzen 2 in it

[normal brook]

@little osprey depends on your motherboard.

[little osprey]

Gigabyte b450 i

[normal brook]

Some motherboards have the ability to update bios without a CPU installed.

[lyric thistle]

there are some motherboards which have a BIOS update feature where you don't even need a CPU to do it, but those are few

[normal brook]

I do not think that one has the ability.

You will have to install the old CPU.

[little osprey]

Alright, well thank you guys, you were very helpful. I guess I have a project for tomorrow

[pastel briar]

@last cypress your welcome glad to be of assistance and glad to hear you got the issue resolved 😄

[normal brook]

Kinda sucks when no one is talking.

I love answering questions about this stuff.

[polar goblet]

Ok the gpu fits!
I’m guessing it locks in it when I put it in? I can’t reach back to to lock it if so?

It is blocking my mother board fan though...

There’s a small gap I guess in between them

[normal brook]

It does lock in.

There is a little tab you have to press down on the right side of the PCIe Port.

@polar goblet I will look up which port the manufacturer recommends.

Actually, by the picture, I can already see which one.

The top one has the ASUS reinforcement metal on it.

Where as the bottom one doesn't.

[polar goblet]

So when im shopping for a extension when I vertical mount. Should I be looking for a pcie 4 one? Since I’m using a ryzen 9 3900x?
I was looking at this pcie extension but it’s 3

[normal brook]

They both should work.

But PCI4 is supposed to be built with thicker traces.

So PCI4 would probably be better.

[little osprey]

so who thinks intel is still the better CPU for Gaming vs the Ryzen

[normal brook]

It still is technically.

Ryzen is just better bang for your buck.

I think Ryzen 4000 series will change that though.

Super stoken.

stoked*

[obtuse flax]

AMD for those sweet cores

[little osprey]

yea it's a better bang for sure dont get me wrong

I'm running an i9-9900k atm w

[normal brook]

If you're looking for 100% gaming performance, intel is still better.

[little osprey]

yea by like 12 for fps i believe

[normal brook]

Haha, it's marginal.

[little osprey]

so since i can't post just yet my pc build pics here, here is my link to my IG with my build and some others. pc_mods__by_john

well i can't even post in the IG chat channel lol

[polar goblet]

Since my gpu is plugged into my mother board pcie.
I only need to hook up the video cable to the psu ya? It’s getting its power from the motherboard?

[normal brook]

Depends on the GPU

If the GPU has PCIe power ports, you should power them.

[polar goblet]

MSI 1070 gaming x

[normal brook]

Nice. That is done correctly. But, to get a little more power out of it, providing two separate cables two each PCIe power connector will give better performance.

It will be minimal, but Linus or Jay did a video on it once.

It does give a little boost to performanc.e

[polar goblet]

Installing Windows

[normal brook]

Dude!

Nice.

Windows 10?

Did you buy a copy of windows yet?

[polar goblet]

Si senor

Well someone hooked me up with a code 😁

[normal brook]

Where did you buy it?

Ahh nice.

Just so you're aware. Ebay has super good pricing on the keys.

$5.

Who knows if they're legit or not, but it's $5.

[polar goblet]

Oh wow haha alright bet. Looks like this one worked. It’s installing. Not sure if it’s pro or home yet

[normal brook]

Hahaha.

[polar goblet]

Does this not work yet on startup? Have both screwed in the back.
Windows is only looking for Ethernet though

[normal brook]

It is possible your wifi isn't included on the windows 10 image.

the drivers specifically.

[pastel briar]

hmm, need thoughts, Server found for $49.60 (total with shipping included), slightly older model (doe NOT bother me) but it doesn't specify 1 or 2 CPUs

1 CPU would mean its configured for dual core operation
2 CPUs would mean it is configured for quad core

stated to have a Xeon 3075 (dual core CPU) looks to (possibly??) have 3GB??? ram (odd configuration but what ever), unit is a IBM X3550 M1, do you think it would be worth the buy? I would be integrating it into my folding farm, part of me says yes, but the logical side is saying "no, run the F away, it does not have enough cores for work"

so I am curious what you guys think...

$27.11 (unit cost)
$22.29 (Shipping)

[normal brook]

Usually it will use the built in windows drivers for it, but it might not, so you might have to download the drivers from the manufacturers website.

@pastel briar Check local ads. I bought one for $35.

It has 2 64bit 4 core cpu's, and 32GB of RAM

[pastel briar]

yea local sadly is a bit dry at the moment due to COVID going around in my area...

[normal brook]

Yeah no kidding.

$50 is cheap.

What are you planning on doing with it?

[pastel briar]

im literally at New York's door step

[normal brook]

I suppose that's all that matters.

[pastel briar]

add it to my folding farm

[normal brook]

o_o

Why?

Why would you use a server vs a GPU?

[deft zephyr]

Can someone help me, i am tryning to get a ssd

[pastel briar]

because more cores means ripping through the work loads, meaning we find a cure to this COVID mess faster so I can get on with life

[normal brook]

@deft zephyr, what do you need help with?

Hahahaha.

[deft zephyr]

I need to find a good ssd

Around 500gb is good enough

[normal brook]

Do you have a price limit?

[pastel briar]

because the servers are working just fine, and based on info, there are more CPU workloads then GPU workloads (if that makes sense)

[polar goblet]

Luckily I bought a 50 ft Ethernet cable a long time ago lol. Running it down the stairs to get setup

[deft zephyr]

I mean under 70 for a 500gb, is that doable?

[normal brook]

It used to be.

It should be.

Depends on availablity I guess.

Let me check.

[deft zephyr]

Also does the WD Blue SN550 500GB NVMe work to boot up windows?

[normal brook]

@deft zephyr what form factor?

[pastel briar]

@deft zephyr .... good luck, god speed man... that will be difficult with the way the market is at the moment, not impossible but increasingly difficult it seems

[deft zephyr]

That is the one i am looking at

[normal brook]

NVMe?

That's a good one.

[deft zephyr]

Does it boot up windows

[normal brook]

Those are x4 PCIe lanes I blieve.

[tepid basalt]

even an hdd does

[normal brook]

Yes it will boot windows if you install windows on it.

[deft zephyr]

Alr

[pastel briar]

@deft zephyr as long as the BIOS is configured you can use just about any drive to boot the OS

[deft zephyr]

Thanks

[tepid basalt]

but if you use the drive to boot window

[deft zephyr]

Ok i will be going with that ssd

[tepid basalt]

u don't need nvme

just a sata one is fine

cheaper and same performance

[deft zephyr]

Sadly Karozy it will be my storage system entirly

Rip me

[normal brook]

@deft zephyr, are you worried about speed? The larger the flash memory drive, the faster it usually is.

[deft zephyr]

No i am not worried about speed

[normal brook]

Then that blue drive is a great choice.

It's probably the fastest for that price and storage capacity.

[deft zephyr]

As long as its faster then my old hdd that took 40 seconds to boot something

It is right?

[tepid basalt]

well... yeah..

[deft zephyr]

K thanks

[normal brook]

Well, there are some other choices now that are x4 PCIe lanes, but they're cheaper drives.

I just checked.

[polar goblet]

So I cleaned out my gpu because it was dusty and it looks brand new!
But when I turned it on the fans go “errrr” 😢
Like it’s hitting something

[deft zephyr]

Bruh im sorry im dying cause this dude went "errrr"

lol

[polar goblet]

Haha funny not funny

[deft zephyr]

Im sorry

[normal brook]

It's probably your PCIe power cables man.

Check those first.

[polar goblet]

Nah it’s all good

When the fans stop going the noise stops

[pastel briar]

@polar goblet did you possibly bind the fan, catch a wire? get something jammed in between the fan blades and the GPU heatsink?

[deft zephyr]

It is out of stock the ssd

Where else can i get it that is not amazon

[normal brook]

Newegg man.

Don't buy from Amazon.

[deft zephyr]

What? amazon is fine

But i guess newegg will work

[normal brook]

Hey

@deft zephyr

How much was it on Amazon?

[deft zephyr]

It is ussualy 69.99

[normal brook]

They have the WD Black for the same price as the WD Blue on newegg right now.

[deft zephyr]

But it is out of stock

[normal brook]

It's $79.99 though.

https://www.newegg.com/western-digital-black-sn750-nvme-500gb/p/N82E16820250109?Item=N82E16820250109

Get this one man.

[deft zephyr]

Oo should i get it? it is litteraly 10 dollas more

[normal brook]

Yeah.

Definitely this noe.

one*

[deft zephyr]

How much better is it

[normal brook]

It's almost twice as fast.

[deft zephyr]

Jesus

[normal brook]

well, 50% faster I supper.

[deft zephyr]

deffenitly getting it

[normal brook]

suppose*

[deft zephyr]

and it works with my MOBO

nice

[polar goblet]

Do I need “armoury crate” app? It’s trying to download

[deft zephyr]

wth is that

[polar goblet]

Nvm I’m gonna say no and download it later if needed

[deft zephyr]

Nah i searched it up, its not harmfull

But yeah download it later

[normal brook]

It's an ASUS motherboard app I believe.

It looks like only coffeelake CPU's support it? o_o

[polar goblet]

Now that I’m setup. What are some things I should do? Any settings needed done?

[normal brook]

Definitely.

What kind of RAM did you get?

Did you overclock your RAM?

[polar goblet]

GSkill neo 2x16
Haven’t done anything yet.
Running Windows update first

3600 MHz

[normal brook]

If you got 3600 ram or something higher than 3200MHZ, it's going to default to 3200MHZ unless you overclock it.

Actually, it will default to something lower than your 3600MHZ unless you train it.

[stoic island]

...wdym overclock it

[normal brook]

Idk if it goes to 3200 or 2666 or something else. I can't remember.

[stoic island]

you mean apply XMP profile?

[deft zephyr]

How long does neweg take to deliever

[normal brook]

Yes, XMP profile is overclocking the RAM.

@deft zephyr, it's pretty quick for me. Not as fast as amazon though.

[deft zephyr]

Ok thanks

[normal brook]

Usually like within the week.

Sometimes 3 days.

[deft zephyr]

Nah thats fine

[polar goblet]

Ok I’ll look into that.

[stoic island]

2666 is usually default

My neos came with profile applied so

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[normal brook]

I should have got Neo's. I got the AMD version of the Trident Z RGB's.

Mine defaulted to 2666 though.

Thats what triggered my mind it wasn't the 3200

[deft zephyr]

Also dont i need a usb to boot up windows?

[stoic island]

wdym?

[normal brook]

@deft zephyr, you will need install media, yes.

[polar goblet]

To install Windows yes

[stoic island]

Neo was the AMD version of the trident z RGB...

[deft zephyr]

Yeah ok thanks

[normal brook]

No they're two different things.

[deft zephyr]

And if windows has already been installed on my old HDD(now broken) Will i still need to download windows again?

[normal brook]

https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-16gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820232728?Description=Trident Z AMD&cm_re=Trident_Z_AMD-_-20-232-728-_-Product&quicklink=true

Those are mine.

[deft zephyr]

i wish ram was that cheap when i bought my pc

[normal brook]

I bought it for $80

It was a decent deal.

[polar goblet]

Hmmm I still don’t have WiFi on this

[deft zephyr]

For that price i will get 8gb of 2666

[stoic island]

I have no idea why that says "for amd" lmao

[normal brook]

@polar goblet Did you download the drivers and install them?

Ikr?

[stoic island]

I'm pretty sure thats the exact same as the normal trident zs

[deft zephyr]

cuz no one likes intel

[normal brook]

It was a thing they did.

[stoic island]

Like Neos are like "for AMD"

and its got a new color scheme

[lyric thistle]

marketing?

[stoic island]

fair enough

but that

[normal brook]

I think they're single rank vs dual rank and have SK Hynix chips.

[stoic island]

just slaps "for AMD" on an existing ram package?

[normal brook]

I think it's marketing.

[stoic island]

Most got hynix chips

[normal brook]

TBH it's probably the XMP profile.

The timings are kinda crap on them.

[stoic island]

?

[normal brook]

Look at the timings.

[stoic island]

oh I see

[normal brook]

They're like 18-16-16-35 or something.

[polar goblet]

@normal brook
Maybe I should let Windows 10 finish doing all it’s updates first?
Or should I be okay to download the motherboard drivers?

[stoic island]

18-22-22-22-42

[normal brook]

@polar goblet Windows updates will often install most of the drivers for you.

[deft zephyr]

Newegg has so much cheaper things

[normal brook]

I would focus on Windows updates first.

Is it 18-22-22-22?

Man I got horrible RAM.

[stoic island]

meh

I got 16-19-19-39

[normal brook]

Well 18-22-22-42

[tepid basalt]

18 on what speed?

[normal brook]

3600

[tepid basalt]

not too bad

but advisable to crank it down to 16

I think it's possible

[normal brook]

I haven't attempted to get anything better yet.

I will, but not yet. No room to setup my computer right now lol.

[tepid basalt]

lol

me too

I'm moving out

[normal brook]

Really?

[stoic island]

huh

[normal brook]

I'm renting a room from my brother.

Looking to buy a house.

[stoic island]

looks like 10ns vs 8.89ns

if you can tighten down to cl16

[tepid basalt]

but the place I'm moving out have yet to finish their construction

[normal brook]

That's pretty good.

[polar goblet]

So it seems like I only have 3 cha fan slots on this mother board.. but I have 4 fans.
1 top left, 2 at the bottom.
One of my fans aren’t plugged in as I don’t know what port I could put the last one in

Asus tuf gaming X570 plus WiFi

[tepid basalt]

really?

and x570 with only 3 fan headers?

[normal brook]

@polar goblet They sell splitters.

[normal brook]

The fan header is rated at 1amp and the fans typically only pull .33

[tepid basalt]

u can actually use the aio pump header bc they're 4 pins right?

[normal brook]

So you could technically have 3 fans on 1 header.

[tepid basalt]

and the cpu opt header can be used as a fan header too

[normal brook]

Yeah.

[polar goblet]

Cpu fan - taken
3 chass fan - taken
Cpu opt - open

Plug it in the opt?

[normal brook]

Put it in the CPU opt header.

[tepid basalt]

yep

[normal brook]

Is that fan controlled via CPU temp? xD

[tepid basalt]

also, if you have an asus vga with fan connect, you'll get 2 additional 4 pin fan header

[normal brook]

His is MSI.

[stoic island]

yea

Opt is gonna be fine

most fan curves run off CPU temp anyways

[tepid basalt]

well when you cpu heats up, your chasis fans are supposed to work harder anw right

so it makes perfect sense to make used of that cpu opt

[normal brook]

I'm going to start a youtube channel trying to explain how to fix computers.

These questions you guys ask really help out.

I never thought about the CPU_OPT header being controlled by the CPU or not.

[tepid basalt]

well it's just dumb naming

that header is for 2 fans air cooler but comes with no splitter iirc

[normal brook]

Yeah, but a splitter would do that too.

I guess if you have a radiator with multiple fans.

It would come in handy then.

[tepid basalt]

well...

an aio's fan is basically considered chasis fan

so you'll just plug it into your motherboard's fan headers anw

and those fan headers receive the same signal as the "cpu header", am I right?

because it makes no sense to send different signal to different fan headers

[normal brook]

Yeah.

I was looking it up.

[tepid basalt]

just add more work to the mobo

[normal brook]

It seems they do.

No definite answer yet though.

[tepid basalt]

well logically, it should be that way

[normal brook]

I have questions for you guys if you wouldn't mind.

I've never had RGB until recently.

I've built my system with mostly RGB components.

But it's lacking a little.

It's not enough to look cool.

It just looks kinda weird, so to fix it, I am going to install all RGB fans.

[tepid basalt]

💸

[normal brook]

I don't want the proprietary fans like Corsair has.

Are there any ARGB light/fan controllers that don't have proprietary connections?

I'm ok with spending money.

I'm pretty good at saving, so I've saved for whatever this will cost.

I was considering the Corsair QL 140mm until I found out they were proprietary connections.

[tepid basalt]

well it depends on where you live...

[normal brook]

USA

[tepid basalt]

bad luck I guess

anw I'm dumb with light

up to the experts

[normal brook]

Same lol.

[polar goblet]

Update:
Windows update gave me WiFi ability. Ethernet was required first with what windows 10 I had on the usb

[normal brook]

Nice

[polar goblet]

Since I have a MSI gpu I guess I should use MSI after burned to oc?

[normal brook]

I don't think it matters, but yet.

Afterburner.

I think a lot of people use Afterburner because there are good graphs on it.

Even if they have non-MSI GPU's.

but yeah*

[polar goblet]

Bet thanks!!

Does it matter what slots I have my ram in?
I have 2.

Slot 1 taken (close to cpu cooler)
Slot 2 empty
Slot 3 taken
Slot 4 empty

[tepid basalt]

often not

just slot into channels and you're good to go

[normal brook]

That's not true.

It does matter which slots your ram is in.

Your motherboard manual will tell you.

@polar goblet

[tepid basalt]

well that's what I said, just slot into channels

[clever sluice]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/36xqgJ I got this list from someone, opinions on it ? It’s for gaming and my budget is 1,518 USD

[tepid basalt]

your budget is 1.5?

[normal brook]

If your budget is that high, you could have a 2080

[tepid basalt]

and this build is 1.1

[normal brook]

I would look into it further.

If you want to spend 1500, you could have a much better build.

[tepid basalt]

do u want to maximize this build or just fine with the price now?

[clever sluice]

I want to maximize it

[normal brook]

My budget was 1000 and I have a 2070 and a 2700x

[clever sluice]

Nice

I already have a 5 3600

[tepid basalt]

then I'd go with a nicer motherboard and a cooler

[normal brook]

So you're stuck with it?

[clever sluice]

Stuck with what ?

[pastel briar]

ok, so I seem to be having an odd issue with steam now....great

[clever sluice]

The build no

[normal brook]

the 3600?

[clever sluice]

Yea

Why

[normal brook]

Cause it's not a $1500 built processor.

build*

[clever sluice]

Everyone else says it’s the best for gaming currently

[tepid basalt]

but upping the cpu won't bring that many fps

[normal brook]

I see a monitor in there. Does the build have to be below 1500 including monitor keyboard and mouse?

It will too, a lot of games are starting to utilize more cpu cores.

[tepid basalt]

so 3600 is just fine

[clever sluice]

I’ll show u my original build list that someone else made

[normal brook]

Back a couple years ago it was a max of 4.

But now more and more games will benefit from more than 4 cores.

[clever sluice]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/R9wgq3

[little osprey]

you ideally want 8, 6 is good for now

[clever sluice]

I’m like I suppose I could return it if I truly need 2

I’m trying to play games like arma 3 , rust and squad

[normal brook]

For a $1500 build I would.

[tepid basalt]

doubt it

don't lure him into mindless cpu race

[clever sluice]

@normal brook I also need a good monitor tho

[normal brook]

@tepid basalt That's a single game.

[little osprey]

putting the monitor into your build list isnt usually how that goes, they mean 1500 with monitor

[normal brook]

That is true.

[tepid basalt]

here's another for you

[normal brook]

Usually monitor is separate from build.

So you should specify.

[tepid basalt]

https://www.techspot.com/review/1897-ryzen-5-ryzen-9-core-i9-gaming-scaling/

[clever sluice]

Oh sorry

[fringe wharf]

how do you post a build

[tepid basalt]

the whole article fyi

[normal brook]

Look at something from Gamers Nexus.

[clever sluice]

I was going for a 2070 super for my graphics card

[little osprey]

I did a 2080 super

with i9-9900k

[tepid basalt]

heh

[little osprey]

nice

[tepid basalt]

pls link one from gn

[normal brook]

I would do a 2080 super too.

[clever sluice]

Yea but like I’m only 15 and I don’t have a job to afford that good stuff

[little osprey]

Ek velocity block and ek gpu block with 240 dual slim rad and a 360 triple thicc boy rad

i dunno jf i should get a 2060 or wait for 3060

save a little extra for the 2080 super vs the 2070 super

2070 super*

[tepid basalt]

just wait lol

[normal brook]

Holy crap.

[clever sluice]

Lol

[little osprey]

i wish i splurged a couple more hundred for the ti

[normal brook]

I just got stuck with a 1:53 minute youtube ad without a skip button.

[fringe wharf]

It wont let me put the link to my build.

[little osprey]

yeah if your going for a high price gpu go straight fkr the 2080 super, if not, a 2060 and 3600 will do you well

[tepid basalt]

you have to get lvl 3 firsrt

[normal brook]

Refreshed the page.

[little osprey]

so since i can't post just yet my pc build pics in build chat, here is my link to my IG with my build and some others. pc_mods__by_john

[fringe wharf]

oh ok

[little osprey]

I did a ryzen 5 3600x with 2070 super for my brother trying to ball on a budget gaming pc lol

i feel like 3600 will start giving you stutter long before your gpu is outdated

[tepid basalt]

we don't know about that

[clever sluice]

So yea

[tepid basalt]

all we know is the smt on 3600 gives much better 1% lows

[clever sluice]

How is this original build list

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/R9wgq3

[little osprey]

the 3600x build i did for him is working flawlessly

[clever sluice]

Some stuff I’m taking out of it tho

[little osprey]

why put a 3600 with an x570?

[tepid basalt]

drop the psu omg

[clever sluice]

Lol

I didn’t build it idk

It was a friend

[little osprey]

For future upgrade

i guess

[clever sluice]

I also need WiFi

[little osprey]

could get an 3700 and b450 for similar price though

I did the x570 for cpu upgrade and butter board and it was one sell for cheap on newegg

[clever sluice]

So I need a WiFi board

[little osprey]

alot of the B450 boards are out of stock

yeah ive noticed lol...

yea the x570 has wifi as well so was a perk for my brother

are you talking about my ig build? old_snake?

or the pcpart picker lol

[normal brook]

CmonBruh, times are tough with parts.

Are you buying now?

[little osprey]

i dunno ur build

[normal brook]

You're going to spend a lot more than if you wait.

[little osprey]

i have legit no pc and even im trying to wait for ampere lol

[stoic island]

when I checked it last, there are no x570 board with wifi in stock at any sensible price

[normal brook]

Why do you need x570?

x470 is fine.

[little osprey]

x470 isnt aby cheaper atm

[stoic island]

B450 too.

[normal brook]

x570 has a crappy south bridge fan.

[stoic island]

x470 sometimes can be cheaper than b450.

[normal brook]

Just one more thing to go bad.

[stoic island]

not if you go aqua

[clever sluice]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/YmtFMc

[little osprey]

your chipset fans dont spin anyways unless using pci4

well on my @pc_mods__by_john on IG you can see some builds i did

[tepid basalt]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/

[stoic island]

lmao

[tepid basalt]

ftfy

[stoic island]

karozy

[normal brook]

I think we should build @clever sluice a computer.

[tepid basalt]

waddup?

[stoic island]

u tryna link smth or just trollin

[tepid basalt]

oh

[normal brook]

Ikr?

[still roost]

Karozy#6688 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[little osprey]

lol

[normal brook]

You sent the top website.

[clever sluice]

I was really hoping to have a pc by the time steam sales came and like summer . So like idk what I should do , I already bought the ryzen 5 3600

[sullen spoke]

smh

[tepid basalt]

srr

just my bad habit

lol

[little osprey]

damn, always buy GPU first

if you are buying in parts

how can i add specs to my name, is that show in this server only?

right click your name in user area

select rename

or right click your name in chat

lol

[normal brook]

How are you supposed to find yourself?

[tepid basalt]

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/altis18g/saved/#view=wqZK3C

[clever sluice]

2070 super is good ?

[little osprey]

It might not let you change your name yet until a certain rank

[normal brook]

2070 super is good, but with a 1500 budged, you should get a 2080 super at least.

[little osprey]

2070 super is good, but i'd shoot for 2080 super if you can

2060 or 2080 super, in betweens are kinda a bad price

[clever sluice]

@tepid basalt look good in my opinion

[stoic island]

yea...

[tepid basalt]

no it's not

[clever sluice]

I don’t really know a lot about parts so

Idk

[stoic island]

a lot of money spent on aesthetics

[normal brook]

CmonBruh, I will build you a better computer.

[little osprey]

yes custom loop just cost me a good penny

[normal brook]

Do you have a keyboard and mouse?

[clever sluice]

Yea

[tepid basalt]

I don't change your case because I don't know if that's your personal preference or not

[normal brook]

But you need a monitor?

[clever sluice]

Yea

[stoic island]

I see like 200$ extra spent on aethetics at least Karozy :p

[silk estuary]

2060 ultra or 2070 super?

[normal brook]

What monitor do you want?

[little osprey]

2070 super

[stoic island]

also, take a look at the Mag272cqr

[tepid basalt]

wot?

where?

[little osprey]

i try to find a 37 ish monitor, 1080p 60hz, with local dimming... but it dont seem to exist..

or tv

NZXT has good cases and aren't a pocket eater

[stoic island]

it's cheaper for nearly the same specs

[tepid basalt]

the only rgb there is the ram and the cooler tho?

[clever sluice]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/R9wgq3 with this build I would have like 215 dollars left which I could use to buy a better mouse or keyboard and games

[little osprey]

70 no good

eww why low hertz?

because my other mintors are all 60

[normal brook]

@clever sluice do you have any brand preferences?

[little osprey]

32" ultra wide 2560x1440p 165hz

[normal brook]

Wtf...

$500 on a monitor?

[little osprey]

noo lol

i want something that scales with 60 for streaming, 120 might bbe alright

I got a deal on it from Dell

[stoic island]

Focus g saves 40$, iirc aorus pro wifi was 140$, so saves 20$ there, no need for cooler, saves 40$ there, save 30$ for 3200mhz ram without rgb, and save 50$ going for mag272cqr

[little osprey]

president day is a good sale time

on dell and newegg

[tepid basalt]

well his previous choice was rgb ram

[stoic island]

scratch that on the mobo part

but still stands

[tepid basalt]

so i think he likes that

[clever sluice]

@normal brook yea I guess Logitech or razor idk I’ve tried them out at the store and they seem good . Idk it doesn’t matter let’s just focus on build ig

[little osprey]

yeah but if he has the money to spend on the aesthetics let him, gotta have that preference and style you like

[normal brook]

Alright man.

I'm going to build you something disregarding everything you have but the case.

[little osprey]

logitech over razor 100%

[stoic island]

sad aorus pro wifi went out of stock either today or yesterday

[little osprey]

yea its out of stocky

[clever sluice]

Well I like the rgb but just go without rgb for now and I’ll see if I have any money left to add rgb

[little osprey]

I prefer my Razer over logitech

[normal brook]

Alright.

I will look for RGB parts.

[little osprey]

maybe im too old and razor is good now iuno, they used to be such trash at everything

I wouldn't sacrifice what you like. gotta have what makes you excited about your pc too.

[fringe wharf]

Will pc parts get cheaper after lockdown? or will they stay relatively the same

[little osprey]

prices have seem to change that much to me... as long as its stocked properly

havent***

[fringe wharf]

oh ok. im pretty new to the whole looking for parts and trying to build my own pc thing

[normal brook]

I agree with Johnny, thats why case isn't my choice.

Also brand preference.

[little osprey]

I love it, i wish i could build a computer everyday

i build one in 20 minutes now and then im sad its over

hell no lol, i have custom loop in my pc

[fringe wharf]

lmao. how would you build a gaming pc including mouse keyboard and monitor for 1500

[little osprey]

build a watercooled thinkcenter

ehh if you're doin it in 20 mins then cable management isnt happening lol

cables are easy enough

yea i know it is, it's my fav part.

i dont route them stuck to my case or anything but its nice enough

I guess I've put together more aio build system then just aircooled

[fringe wharf]

I wish for the day when i can make more money and build my pc

[stoic island]

Nah

Best part is putting in ram

The click

[little osprey]

windows are lame unless you spend 500 extra on asthetics lol

I route them appropriately and etc.

yea i have a glass side panel on my case

next i'm probably going to a custom desk build with a custom loop in it

[clever sluice]

@fringe wharf I wish for the day where I can decide on what parts to get lol

[stoic island]

Putting in GPU is next best :p

GPU just not as clicky

And not as easy to put in

[fringe wharf]

@clever sluice same lmao i dont know anything

[stoic island]

Nahhh right after fresh windows

[little osprey]

lmao i've bent one on my old amd phenomenon

first boot is hell

straightened it out and worked

[stoic island]

I've had bad experience with my first like dozen boots

On 1 pc

[fringe wharf]

whats the problem with first boot?

[clever sluice]

I know some stuff but I can’t decide what to buy since there’s so many different parts and brands and everyone says to buy different things and it’s hard because I only have a certain amount of money and no job since I’m young so if I mess up and buy a trash part I’m screwed @fringe wharf

[little osprey]

my first ever try worked actually 😂 many since have not though

[stoic island]

Eh

?

Ssd

[normal brook]

What is wrong with prices right now?

[stoic island]

I have most of stuff fitting on my SSD :D

[normal brook]

Holy crap.

[lyric thistle]

all I have is a sad

indeed

[little osprey]

1tb ssd il be alright :p

[fringe wharf]

@clever sluice lmao exactly. I dont have enough cash cause im still tryna save for other things. and then theres always the battle over cpus and shiz

[stoic island]

@normal brook other countries have even worse

I don't like working with Canadian ppl on PCs now

Prices too wack

[little osprey]

sorry mr1111 xD

[lyric thistle]

smuggle American computers to them

[stoic island]

I got 1tb SSD+2tb HDD

[little osprey]

you could do a i5 9600k 16gb 3200mhz ram 1tb ssd 2070 super decent z390 board 650watt psu and a decent case for around 1500

[stoic island]

I live in the USA

We got Canadians here tho

[little osprey]

m2 not ssd

[stoic island]

It's just sad sometimes the price difference

[little osprey]

is 9600k hyperthread? if not, dont buy it pls

[lyric thistle]

no

[little osprey]

no

it'snot

[stoic island]

You could also do 2080super with 3600 for ~1500$ iirc >:D

[little osprey]

the i7 is

[lyric thistle]

I too trust in my corporate overlords

[stoic island]

Newegg ftw

[balmy shore]

.

[fringe wharf]

i second that

[little osprey]

you could of waited for the 4000 series ryzen or the 10th gen intel

[normal brook]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/4Bwvcq

Best I can do because of horrible prices right now

Doesn't include that monitor though.

Really difficult.

[stoic island]

PSU price is wack

[little osprey]

yes

[normal brook]

It is wack.

[stoic island]

Mwe gold 650w was okay a bit back

[normal brook]

It was the cheapest 700+ PSU I could find.

[stoic island]

No need for 700+ lol

As Hei always says, 550w is all you need for 3950x+2080ti full load

[normal brook]

No need, but you have more if you need it.

Down the road I should have said.

[stoic island]

You won't need it unless you go dual-gpu or HEDT.

Or Intel 10th gen

[normal brook]

If you buy a car, do you have your RPM's at 8000 where ever you go?

[stoic island]

:D

No..? Wot

[normal brook]

You don't want to do that to a PSU either.

Sure the computer wont be pushing 550 watts all the time.

[lyric thistle]

[normal brook]

But it will be getting up there often with gaming.

[little osprey]

570 is the best value gpu, if you want something more beefy then get a 1650 super @last forge

[lyric thistle]

450 or bust

[normal brook]

With roughly 800, you put your power curve at the most economical too.

[stoic island]

..?

[normal brook]

1000 is over kill.

800 is my sweet spot.

[little osprey]

is getting a higher then needed watt good for making a silent build though?

[stoic island]

650 is mine

Efficiency difference between 60% and 100% is minimal afaik

Also 550w is 3950x+2080ti under full synthetic load

Like furmark/p95

[normal brook]

https://images.evga.com/articles/01340/850GA_PowerChart_1000.jpg

Look at the efficiency chart for this PSU.

If you're at roughly 400 at full bore gaming.

[little osprey]

450 is plenty for average gamer, 550 for enthusiast, 650 for extreme money dosent matter builds, and anything higher is specialty computing

[normal brook]

You'd want to be in the middle of that chart.

That's a nice PSU.

If I do say so myself.

[stoic island]

Between 91% and 89% is minimal imo

[normal brook]

I agree that you can get by with lesser PSU's. But if you get a slightly higher wattage one, you're babying it all the time by default.

Your PSU has the ability to fry everything in your build.

[stoic island]

And protections prevent that.

[normal brook]

Not always.

[clever sluice]

@normal brook the gpu isb2 expensive for me

So 2070 super would do

[little osprey]

what about noise and thermals though? would getting a cx650 be quiter then a 450

[stoic island]

That's why we choose models with good protection.

[normal brook]

Don't spend $1500 on your buiild then.

No point.

[clever sluice]

Wdym ?

[normal brook]

Youre build is basically the same as my build.

But mines slightly older.

[stoic island]

G3 actually has a large vulnerability in terms of protections, do I think I'll ever reach that point with my G3? No.

[normal brook]

And I spent $1000.

Times are rough, so you're going to be spending a little more.

[stoic island]

I'll never be pulling a 1000w load on my poor psu

[normal brook]

probably like $300 more.

[stoic island]

Melt the caps it would

Since G3 has too high ocp and otp

But I'm never going to draw 1000w with a 3800x and rtx2070

[little osprey]

how well does 3800 oc?

[stoic island]

Silicon lottery my man

[little osprey]

big range?

[stoic island]

Mine specifically? Not well relatively.

[little osprey]

thats unfortunate lol

a laptop cpu can't go into a desktop pc since they're mobile version, unless that manufacture makes full blown socket laptops like alienware does

i havent overclocked since the phenoms, got my 955 to 3.6 on a 15 dollar cooler

[stoic island]

Anyways it was easy for a 2070super to be in a <1000$ build pre-corona

[little osprey]

i didnt know alienware did that, good to know

[stoic island]

Now a 1200$ or so build would prob be good for a 2070s

[little osprey]

you have to buy thee model those that has the full blown sockets in it

they are neat for sure

[stoic island]

A few laptops have desktop CPUs

[little osprey]

yea but not all models have it

of any brand

just have to pay attention to the CPU it has

[stoic island]

Elutroniks makes custom laptops with desktop chips iirc

[little osprey]

is waiting for ampere make the most sense? i have no pc :( im legit playing demos on ps3 lol

[silk estuary]

Anyone know where i can find a cheap-ish 4k 32-36 inch monitor?

[little osprey]

maybe il buy the platform and get a used 1050 in the meantime

or 570

[stoic island]

Go to pcpp and sort by cheapest? :P

[pastel briar]

thrift store type place? assuming someone donated one...

😄

[stoic island]

Take at look at these I guess?

[pastel briar]

in all honesty, most likely going to be a hard thing to do, I would start with PCPP and go from there

[little osprey]

samsung seems to have issues with panels failing

and to get it fixed or replaced is a very strange process

[mellow basalt]

Is this good?

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/RapidSharpShooter/saved/#view=HvyTJx

[stoic island]

Owie ram

Go g.skill aegis 3200mhz cl16 if that's in stock

You can get Seagate barracuda 2tb for like 5$ more

Other than that, looks good

[mellow basalt]

There are multiple different ones for g.skill aegis

[normal brook]

Man I am tired.

[stoic island]

I would say go to sleep, but I stayed up last night till like 1am staying on this discords

[latent storm]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/dcqfjp

[normal brook]

Wow. Something is going on with my internet connection.

[latent storm]

is this list good?

pepper dm me the link i’ll send it

[somber magnet]

thanks

[latent storm]

for @somber magnet

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/PepMynt/saved/ffZK3C

[stoic island]

I want AMD in that :p

[latent storm]

not gonna lie i don’t know much about intel 😳

[somber magnet]

i could go intel or amd, i know boards that fit in the case

which is super small btw

not even 12 inches tall

[latent storm]

btw i don’t you don’t really gotta pay that much for windows

[somber magnet]

i have a few months for making decisions though

mmm

[stoic island]

Interesting case

[latent storm]

it looks pretty balanced but again i don’t know much about intel and intel boards

[somber magnet]

again, i have a few months to make a decision

[stoic island]

I'm gonna suggest AMD for bang for the buck

[latent storm]

^

[somber magnet]

i have to get a job first and stuff, i'm kinda a minor

[stoic island]

Lemme find my saved AMD itx build

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Mr1111/saved/K9VBcf

[latent storm]

what’s the difference between itx and atx

[little osprey]

ITX is like 5x5

it's small af

[somber magnet]

if i could show an image of it

i would

[latent storm]

is it just smaller than mATX?

[stoic island]

Yea

[little osprey]

yes

alot smaller

[latent storm]

interesting

[stoic island]

Heh I made that list so long ago

[somber magnet]

the particular case i found isn't even 12 inches long on any dimension

[latent storm]

bruh

[stoic island]

..?

[latent storm]

that’s tiny wtf

[stoic island]

Well can I ask why you want that case so badly?

[latent storm]

me?

or pepper

[stoic island]

Pepper.

[latent storm]

alright

[somber magnet]

i like small stuff and it ends up around the same total with lists i make

[stoic island]

Bc I can't even find an image to the case that was in the build

The geeekshop link doesn't load for me

I mean, how does the H100 look for you?

It's a bit wide, but it's a nice small case

[little osprey]

My recent pc mod and first custom loop build

[stoic island]

Neat

Hardline?

[somber magnet]

i did the math and all, the parts on my list would fit

[little osprey]

yep hardline

petg 10mm/12mm tubing

[stoic island]

I'm sorry but the stuff in the list are just quite unorthodox

[little osprey]

also don't ruin the airflow/pressure inside the case

or your temps will be high

[latent storm]

hey johnny

[little osprey]

hey

[latent storm]

will two 140mm intake and two 120mm exhaust ruin airflow/pressure

[stoic island]

Nah

[little osprey]

nope

[normal brook]

I love the DBZ theme.

That's sick.

[little osprey]

thanks

[normal brook]

Who painted that?

[little osprey]

me

[normal brook]

It's an NZXT case right?

That's really cool man.

Good job on that one.

[little osprey]

nzxt H710i

[somber magnet]

mmm but back to my question, im more concerned about if its good, not if it's unusual or unconventional @stoic island

[normal brook]

@somber magnet what's the question about the small case?

[little osprey]

Is the GTX 950m a very good card?

[normal brook]

It's a pretty low end card.

[little osprey]

It's the one in my laptop

[somber magnet]

@normal brook my list up above, i'm asking if it's considered good, im not necessarily looking for info on lower cost parts or anything

[normal brook]

@somber magnet I think I DC when you sent it.

I didn't get one.

[somber magnet]

someone sent it for me

[normal brook]

Oh

I did see that one.

[stoic island]

Well, the SSD situation isn't optimal.

[little osprey]

out of all 1tb nvme drives at 200 cad, the a80 is best?

[stoic island]

The cooler is pretty bad afaik

Intel is just ugh

I like a80 the best so afaik yes

[normal brook]

I don't' understand the two 1tb drives.

[little osprey]

got the hp ex950, xpg sx8200 pro, wd sa500 and teamgroup mp34

[normal brook]

Doesn't make much sense.

[little osprey]

lot of options

[normal brook]

Why wouldn't you just get 1 2tb nvme drive?

[little osprey]

raid maybe?

[normal brook]

That's what I was wondering.

Raid as in redundancy, not performance.

[stoic island]

Go a80 out of those choices@little osprey

[little osprey]

okidoke

[stoic island]

@somber magnet what exactly is the CPU cooler clearance in that case?

[normal brook]

It is a good build if you don't care about money.

[stoic island]

I just don't like that CPU+cooler situation

[normal brook]

I think you've wasted a lot of money on things that could be forgone for a better graphics card.

[stoic island]

Might be too much heat for that dinky looking thing

[normal brook]

It's a sff build.

[stoic island]

Mhm

[somber magnet]

60mm

[terse stag]

Hey

I have a question

[normal brook]

Yes?

Pepper, what's up with the two 1tb green drives?

2.5" drives T_T

[stoic island]

I'd like to put in like a NH-L9s

[somber magnet]

the case only supports 2.5", whats the issue?

[normal brook]

The motherboard doesn't support NVMe?

[stoic island]

(it does afaik)

[terse stag]

I have a EVGA Geforce GTX 1060 and MSI 970 Gaming and a AMD FX - 6300 Six-Core Processor with 16 GB of Ram and a 64 bit operating system i was wondering how bad is that

[somber magnet]

it supports nvme yeah

[stoic island]

@somber magnet I think the question is why you have 2 1tb drives, and not one fast 2tb drive

[normal brook]

That is the question.

[somber magnet]

abbdnbhdch ill fix it in the morning

[normal brook]

Pepper, raid 0 is basically pointless now, if that's what you were going for.

[somber magnet]

im not looking for raid

[normal brook]

@terse stag your setup is a little old, but not too bad.

[terse stag]

Well I mean i think it may be

cause i run league of legends and garrys mod at 20 fps

[normal brook]

o_o

lol at 20fps?

[terse stag]

exactly

yea

[normal brook]

Something is broken man.

You should be getting like 150fps.

Check your graphics card drivers.

[terse stag]

wanna see a picture of the pc?

[normal brook]

Yeah.

[terse stag]

I dm'd you it

it should send right about.

now???

[normal brook]

Strange.

I didn't get anything.