well hopefully
#building-and-recc-chat
solid hollow
sacred chasm
oh cool
that what i was worried and confused about
i just want an upgrade that'll last me another 2-4 years
solid hollow
well if you are streaming... obviously a higher core count cpu would do you better
but looking at around 300+ or maybe a little less
sacred chasm
hmmmm
cursive wharf
not really
If you're streaming then you use NVENC
because no matter what CPU you use, lows will suffer at least somewhat noticeably
with software encoding
sacred chasm
oh i see
cursive wharf
Anyways, here is a list. $20 over budget tho
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/t2tLn7
sacred chasm
hmm
solid hollow
yea i was about to say you could get the 1600af
cursive wharf
for what other case tho? Only case with decent airflow and tempered glass at that price range
sacred chasm
ill just be using my current one lol
or if anything
drop the fan
lol
cause i have 4
that i would transfer over
cursive wharf
case only comes with one fan. So yeah transfer would be needed
at least have two fans in a case
sacred chasm
yeee
i have everything else most liekly
ssd
hdd
ram im still going to keep
thank you for upgrade help 🙂
cursive wharf
Np
sacred chasm
i'll probably wait for a little more opninions before finalyl deciding
it is only 5 am where I live so 🙂
solid hollow
same
polar goblet
Installing a M2 SSD on the ASUS x570 gaming plus WiFi motherboard.
Which slot should I use?
I circled them in red. On the second one towards the bottom which has the heat sink plate I found a glued rubber thing under it. Circled in blue, looks like it could be blocking?
sudden turret
Have you checked your motherboards manual..
polar goblet
Yes that’s the first thing I did.
It looks like they recommend the one with the heat sink. But idk what to do with that little rubber piece that’s there.
In the first pic it’s there but they don’t say remove it?
sudden turret
then leave it.
polar goblet
But in the 2nd and 3rd pic it’s not shown. So I thought I’d ask
sudden turret
if it's not above the height of the m.2 standoffs I wouldn't worry
polar goblet
Once I place it in there it sits directly on it.
I’m guessing it’s for support?
But also didn’t want to leave it and have it burn up ya know?
Because the slot above it doesn’t have that rubber thingy there
scenic yarrow
the rubber contact is a heat pad!
leave it on the board please dont remove it @polar goblet
more then likely it is protecting A. the m.2 from contacting a component or B. its to help reduce heat on the m,2
normally tearing the heatpads off voids warranty as well
polar goblet
Ok thanks! Had no clue a rubber piece could be a heat pad. Learning everyday 😁
feral sphinx
Many questions where to begin. Lol okay I have a Gigabyte B450 mobo with Ryzen 5 1600af and a msi GTX 2060 Gpu. I have a auto tune app from Gigabyte. I opened auto tune and increased the cpu speed from 32mhz to 37. After 5-10 min screen goes black while playing games. MoBo still running and all fans running. Am I trying to overclock the wrong way. Why would screen go black?
sullen spoke
auto oc doesn't work great most of the time
pastel briar
@feral sphinx because you’re gpu is probably shutting off to try and protect its self from overheating, same if your whole system is shutting off
sudden turret
alright.
sullen spoke
black screen could also mean it is an unstable oc
feral sphinx
Temps where around 47c
I did raise the HZ and kept volts at 1.2
So I should test this through Bios instead of auto tune I’m hearing?
pastel briar
@feral sphinx what are you exactly trying to OC in the first place? CPU or GPU? what type of CPU or GPU?
CPU generally are better off using the bios, I personally never had much luck with the program based OC stuff, except with MSI afterburner and that is for GPUs
feral sphinx
I was attempting to overclock the Ryzen 5 1600AF CPU.
I have not touched the GPU. it should be more than enough for what i use it for.
pastel briar
ok in that case I would go in the Bios and do the tweaks that way, I personally never had good luck with OCing a CPU with a program, if someone else has had better luck in that respect I defer to them on that aspect
gloomy violet
I replaced my mobo and cpu because I originally had a prebuilt and I’m not getting into building, now when I update windows it fails to boot windows and goes to automatic repair, any suggestions?
exotic lichen
Should I get double monitor or single ultrawide?
gloomy violet
Get a double and I’m new to all this
stoic island
Did windows come with the prebuilt? it could've been some weird OEM version
gloomy violet
Yeah it came with the prebuilt
stoic island
That might be the issue, either the OEM windows, or OEM bloatware, but I'm not too sure
river hawk
@feral sphinx I had a Ryzen 5 1600AF and did similar (3.8GHz @ 1.35v) on a stock cooler, hit similar issues. Ended up underclocking my GPU which worked out(for me).
gloomy violet
Ok thanks a lot
stoic island
@exotic lichen If you're multitasking, dual monitors are fine, but a single ultrawide could be better if you're playing flight sims or something, because theres no bezel in the middle with an ultrawide.
pastel briar
@gloomy violet your boot record may have become corrupted
Run chkdsk C: /f (will attempt to fix any found errors)
Run chkdsk C: /r (will locate for bad sectors and recovery any readable information)
hope this help you
if your able to boot into windows (using safe mode) you can right click on the drive select properties then select the "tools" tab and run the disk check tool that way
the first two options require use of the command line
drifting knoll
Hi everyone, my system died last night, and I was wondering if I would be able to buy a b450 mobo and throw a 3200g in it, basically what I’m trying to get at is do I still need an older cpu for the mobo bios update or will it work now that they’ve been out for a bit?
pastel briar
@drifting knoll which b450 board are you looking at, b450 is AM4, so your socket should be fine, please be sure to refer to the board specs to be sure
drifting knoll
@pastel briar I was looking st the ASRock b450m-HDV R4.0
On PCPartPicker it shows an incompatibility with the CPU and mobo stating that the mobo would need a bios update before it would work with the cpu
pastel briar
some board are going to need a bios update, I know AMD has had an "upgrade kit" that you could request and they would send it, you may also be able to contact the seller to see if they offer any options (services) to upgrade the bios before sending it to you
little osprey
what do yall think is more likely for gaming, above 8 cores becoming a thing? or is it gunna stall at 8 cores cause conssole and become about clock speeds again?
drifting knoll
Oh I didn’t know about that, I’ll look into it, thank you @pastel briar
pastel briar
your welcome, do you have an older AM4 (the socket type) processor on hand, if you do you can use that if required
foggy hazel
@little osprey look at the next gen consoles as the new bottom line
pastel briar
@foggy hazel and even in some respects even with the next gen consoles being "bottom line" older PCs in some cases will still be just as capable if not slightly more powerful (I just as of last night finally moved off my 10 year old Core i7 to my newish AMD Ryzen CPU 😄
foggy hazel
do remember that the cpu in both of the consoles is basically a 3700x
little osprey
i think of it as probably similar to 2700x performance
foggy hazel
@little osprey then you think wrong.
its confirmed that the cpu in there is 3rd gen (Matisse) based cores
little osprey
well they are known to run cool so i guess so, they might not be downclocked very much
earnest olive
foggy hazel
no
pastel briar
yup, and I have been telling people that, but occasionally get those who are shale we say "delusional" and think it will some how out perform the RTX 2080 Super never mind the potential for thermal related issues, lets not even think of opening that door....actually lets, the thermals based off what I see are meh at best, and and you got hot air being sucked out by a single fan, much less intake of air is happening through a small amount of holes (a lot less then what's on top) and some how it is expected to keep its self cool with a tiny air intake, oh and the extra holes on the back side wall arn't much more help either..... 😉
foggy hazel
do remember, the 3700x is ONLY 65watt a base freq
you are doing a lot of assumptions about specifics that are not know :) <- @pastel briar
little osprey
im just wondering how likely i would end up wanting to put a 12 core on am4, if ishould get a better motherboard for that
foggy hazel
that is for you to figure out @little osprey
stoic island
We can't predict the future, maybe consoles found some ingenious new way to cool things, and consoles take over, who knows?
little osprey
all depends if games will benefit much with more than 8 in the next 6ish years
stoic island
On the cooling issue, some sources say PS5 is a hotbox, some say Xbx is a hotbox, some say PS5 is great and cool, some say Xbx thermals are just fine
pastel briar
also keep in mind @little osprey the more powerful you want something to be, the more heat it will have to generate, and the more heat you generate the better soling solution you need (bigger) and with consoles you only have a limited amount of internal space to work with, so there is a "break even point" where you get into diminishing returns
@foggy hazel keep in mind im going off what is able to be gathered, both from M$, and other sources, including pictures of the box, and other information that I technically say at this point, but I am also willing to admit if I wind up being incorrect on some of it to say I made a mistake and admit it....im a big boy you know 😉 hehe 😄
foggy hazel
binning @pastel briar
stoic island
Because so far from what I've heard from other sources through UFD tech, it's all a mess
pastel briar
Oh i know binning is playing a huge factor in the console market
foggy hazel
look at the actual amount of power something like a 3950x uses per core, when it is fully loaded
pastel briar
brb food is here
foggy hazel
people are (imo) vastly misunderstanding the power use on the desktop vs custom work like the custom silicon that will end up in the consoles
stoic island
Naed, can you explain then?
foggy hazel
@stoic island currently, there is a LOT of astro turfing going on <- in regards to the xbx being hot, and the ps5 being hot
stoic island
yea
foggy hazel
re: explain: i can try :)
stoic island
Aren't console chips inbetween desktop and mobile or something? I'd rather know a bit more about that.
stoic island
Side note, would that make then the only zen 2 APUs since 3400g and 3200g are zen+? :p
foggy hazel
technically kinda yes
stoic island
o right laptop
foggy hazel
aye :)
and all the following is just speculation.
you know about binning right?
@stoic island
pastel briar
@foggy hazel if your asking me, yes I know about binning
foggy hazel
lets just for the sake of this speculation, try and run with this thought
lets say there is "desktop" and "console" binning
and that the desktop one is horrible powerwise
lets say that the console ones can run at 30-40% LESS power per core
at the same performance
(this is not unheard of (its actually fairly conservative) in the silicon manufacturing world)
little osprey
consoles might steal our good bins? oh no lol
foggy hazel
now, this "choice" by amd to hoard the dies what fit the "console" bin profile, is something that the desktop crowd might complain about. But ultimately, it doesnt matter on the desktop side of things
people are still clinging to their ATX boards and full tower cases
its not as if space is a premium in that segment
stoic island
Kinda like mobile chips
foggy hazel
indeed
stoic island
designed for lower power at high performance
foggy hazel
just one amped up another notch
based on the knowledge of 5 years ago, a lot of people would say that the current mobile chips by amd are doing impossible things
from my pov, people are taking the tech of the current consoles and stating as FACT that the new ones will play by the same rules
that is imo, very silly
pastel briar
to be honest the console CPU I would say is going to be closer to a laptop unit in terms or power consumption (and both are due to the space constraints they have to work with in) just my thoughts
stoic island
I wouldn't be too surprised if it's like a modified 4900h
little osprey
yeah itx can have pretty decent cooling if its setup right
foggy hazel
(in the context of case/cooling)
ofc it can
just like it can be horrible
just like a atx setup can
stoic island
imagine if xbx or ps5 goes for aio xD
foggy hazel
not happening imo
little osprey
too much failure
little osprey
consoles last long time
pastel briar
aint happening
foggy hazel
they dont have the poweruse that requires water
stoic island
yea...
foggy hazel
also, people have to remember: IF you are designing for a fixed target load
you can scale everything to actually match
aka
look at actual server deployments
you dont see 1000 watt psu for a system that will only ever pull 300watt in max load scenarios
yes, you will see it in hobby roll outs
but in actual serious rollouts?
please! dont make me laugh that hard
pastel briar
@foggy hazel I just chuckled a bit
stoic island
ah yes of course, a 3100x with an rx580 will require a 1000 watt psu
Microsoft and sony are both large companies that want the better product to sell off
little osprey
even with the good bins and a good cooling solution, the gpu side of things will still be hit hard though right?
stoic island
they can and will solve problems
blazing igloo
My friend is lookin at getting a gaming laptop (he needs the portability) any good suggestions around $800-$900?
stoic island
I'll take a look
pastel briar
does your friend mind "some assembly required" type units where you can customize the Ram and CPU (and IIRC GPU possibly?) to his/her liking?
stoic island
hmm
pastel briar
if not, here is an option for them, where they can actually put full blown CPus in them, and yes this IS the same as most OEM (alien ware, Asus, ect) but with out all the extra "fluff" like fancy cases and what not
https://www.eluktronics.com/laptops/by-user/performance-laptops/?sort=priceasc
stoic island
aw this is sad, no configured laptops with a decent gpu with 16gb of ram is in stock rn
this is the best in stock in terms of graphics, but its got horrible amount of storage, and only 8gb ram
blazing igloo
That’s what I was looking at, every laptop either has like 512 gb of storage or only 8 gb of ram
pastel briar
keep in mind @blazing igloo you do have the option to upgrade it if your ok with that, get what you like then slap in what you need if you can't find it already preconfigured (that is what I usually do)
stoic island
@pastel briar none of the eluktronics look like they would fit within budget
(since the cheap option is OOS)
pastel briar
well as I said it is an option for the person to consider, especially if they don't mind upgrading the CPU/RAM them selves (like I usually do anyways)
I can usually pay $600ish for the basic unit and get what I want for maybe $200 so I can get away with paying $800 for a system that might cost be $1,500 if I were to have it built/configured for me
@stoic island but then again I just about live in the server room at work so....... 😄
stoic island
eh
pastel briar
what its true.....I even have a server (thinking of getting more) at home to play with also
stoic island
ah
pastel briar
I give you the enterprise nestled in its home at the moment 😄 (yes I name my computers)
stoic island
eh it seems pretty common to name computers when you got a good amount
pastel briar
Well thats the Enterprise A 😄
the Enterprise is sitting on the floor nest to it
yea, everyone at work thinks i'm weird for doing that
but when I can quickly find the computer they need help with with in 30 seconds and fix there issue they see the light of my ways 😄
upper fable
Nothing wrong with names lol mine is named rex
pastel briar
nice
foggy hazel
and back, sorry about that, got a call i had to take :)
pastel briar
yea I wound up naming all 100+ servers with names, still working on naming all the PCs but yea.....hehe
foggy hazel
"even with the good bins and a good cooling solution, the gpu side of things will still be hit hard though right?" <- not really
they can leverage all their sensor tech from both the GPU and CPU side of things for that
think about what PBO is
pastel briar
looks of fed ex tracking I WANT MY SERVER RAILS......uuug why is it this part of waiting so difficult......
little osprey
if i get a refurbished board and it fails, i just end up with a warranty replacement right?
foggy hazel
depends on the seller
little osprey
newegg
foggy hazel
and the local laws
ask their customer service about that @little osprey
you can find them here as @fresh garden
little osprey
okay will do, i couldn't just go through msi though?
foggy hazel
that depends entirely on the deal that the given vendor has with MSI
pastel briar
if there is a warranty on it already yes, however that is up to the seller/refurbished as far as warranty goes and what is covered (if there is one it usually covers parts only for 90 days as this is the most common one, however again the refurbisher can decide on the length)
little osprey
and how do yall feel about refurbished boards generally then?
pastel briar
well that is kinda grey area, I am a person who has no issues or problems fixing something my self if the waranty expires, where the next person might not like the idea of having the unknown risk and would rather get new
little osprey
im not comfortable soldering boards really lol
pastel briar
I work with computers daily as well as the hardware so for me it is a IDGAF, if it solves my needs/problems or what have you then I will just buy it, referb or not
for the most part as far as referb products go, I have had little to no issues at all
and it does not bother me one bit
little osprey
some say they are even less likely to die again
foggy hazel
for the general consumer: my stance is this: Is the potentially decreased warranty worth the potential saving?
pastel briar
my IBM server is technically a "refirb" unit (I refurbished it before it went out of service at company and went to my house)
little osprey
yeah fair
im not getting it unless i know im under warranty, preferabley MSI warranty
pastel briar
and @foggy hazel also brings up the next point I was going to bring up, refurbished units (boards, computers, ect) generally either have a decreased warranty if any at all or no warranty at all so is that something your needing or concerned about?
foggy hazel
keep in mind, the local laws here in denmark are VERY consumer friendly for stuff like that
as in: its been refurb and now has less than 1 year warranty? nope! illegal
side note: i am really getting tired of MSI manuals
and their lack of details
upper fable
yea... i remember my last msi mobo i had, had a terrible manual
little osprey
ah okay its a 90 day warranty.. nevermind i guess, damn lol
upper fable
my new mobo had a way better manual than before but i went with asrock for my new build
little osprey
so im back to trying to decide between the asrock pro4 b450 or the Asus x570-p
upper fable
hmmm
upper fable
not sure if the b series mobos support ryzen 3rd gen out of the box
unless you are putting something else in
little osprey
according to comments the adrock does, but im not worried i have a local shop does it cheap
upper fable
ah okay
pastel briar
@little osprey I would honestly go with the X570 board, it is already "ready" for 3rd gen ryzen if you ever decide to get it, meaning your not out a whole board and ram just to get a CPU upgrade
and the X570 should also have longer support time line as well
meaning it will go longer with updates as needed
pastel briar
and yes this is why I finally made the Switch back to team red from Team blue 😄
little osprey
yeah but that goes back to my other issue of, by the time i need 12 cores id might want am5 anyways
pastel briar
well when ever that happens you will have upgrade path
upper fable
^
pastel briar
that is more or less how I run with my AMD systems when I had them in the past
little osprey
i mean if the 12 core i wanted was on an am5 then i dont have an upgrade path
pastel briar
and do the same at work with the AMD system I have there (yea I refused to use intel but thats the nice thing about being in charge of deploying computers and deciding what gets used 😄 )
upper fable
what processor are you getting?
little osprey
3700
pastel briar
maybe maybe not, were not at that point yet, we have AM4 and AM4+ IIRC and AMD will use AM4+ for a while like they did with 3+, and 2+
upper fable
oh that should last you for a while imo, i went from an fx8150 to a ryzen 5 3600x and it was night and day, but that cpu lasted me for 8 years
little osprey
i doubt id wanna upgrade untill like five years has past
pastel briar
I mean by the time I need to upgrade from Ryzen 2700X and my GTX 1080 we will most likely be AM6 or 6+ by then and when time comes I will get the board and continue using what I have if compatible and go from there
I usually plan my builds to go 5 - 10 years at a time before upgrading
upper fable
i think you would be better off getting the most up to date mobo so you can get that mileage out of your pc
pastel briar
well at the time when I do my upgrade I get the most uptodate mainboard and what not then as needed incrimentally upgrade the CPU/RAM as needed (if needed)
little osprey
like if am5 has way better clock speeds then anything am4 has at the time, i would likely be changing motherboards anyways
pastel briar
I want that case in red, but don't want to pay $280ish for it, while the others are around $182ish....UUUG I hate price gougers.....
though the black one does look nice
little osprey
i want the define r7 :(
upper fable
could always paint the case
pastel briar
I want to rack mount my PC :D
yea I suppose I could paint it
pastel briar
though the black would blend into the server racks nicely, and I could game it up at work with out anyone knowing that it is there hehe 😄
upper fable
i got a cougar conquer, hated the orange accent, did a metal gear theme on it instead, hence why its named rex lol
little osprey
i have a friend with also a pc named rex xD
upper fable
eyyyy lol
little osprey
3900 and 1080 ti
pastel briar
yea I want to put my gaming PC in the rack mount unit, then mount it in the rack at work and have my gaming rig with me 😄
upper fable
ooooo that's a cool idea
Here is rex, I think I posted it in the other chat but figured I would share
pastel briar
I figure black will blend in with the black servers a lot better then red anyways...and it wouldn't look like a gameing PC at all so it would be stealth 100, camo 100, gaming 100 work 0 😄 for its stats
still roostBOT
Old_SnakeTwitch#8147 has been warned
little osprey
holy moly
upper fable
Tru that's a good point, and lollll
pastel briar
Indeed that does look really nice, I would have left an orange stripe or something my self but then again I like things to be looking unique
pastel briar
I still used a Dell 3010 up until 23:59:59 last night....
little osprey
if it was an i7 id say its still a pretty decent machine
old dell i7, slap a 1650 super in there
upper fable
My PC before this was nicknamed Bertha was using a thermaltake versa n21 I think, trying to find a pic of it
tropic mango
Hey
upper fable
Ah found a picture of Bertha
mellow basalt
That’s pretty cool ngl
Can any of you help me I’ve never built a gaming pc before and I’m looking for parts?
potent prairie
So is it ok to have two separate cords from my PSU for my 2080 ti, or should I use the split cord that comes with my PSU?
pastel briar
two separate cords is fine, in fact I personally feel that is better, as the PSU is on "two separate rails"
YAY NEW SERVER RAILS 😄 they are finally here!
outer rock
Hi there can someone with the godly knowledge of PC's that I seek PM me? I want to make some upgrades to my rig but don't know which ones to prioritize. Any help would be much appreciated.
pastel briar
good news is rails are here, bad new is I am still waiting on the rack extension pieces to make it fit correctly....grr
@outer rock @mellow basalt you boath are welcome to ask here so we can spread the knowledge around
mellow basalt
I need parts to build a gaming pc and I also need a monitor
pastel briar
as for parts we can throw a list at you, we need to know your use case and max (absolute) budget allowed for the rig
OOOOH....my new heat syncs (all coper) arrived too YAY!
mellow basalt
$1000 for the desktop is fine
I don’t want to go above $1400 for everything including the monitor
pastel briar
OH goodie, my 9 way power distribution unit arrived in this pile of goodness feels like a kid on Christmas
ok so a PC with a monitor for $1400 max?
foggy hazel
"maybe maybe not, were not at that point yet, we have AM4 and AM4+ IIRC and AMD will use AM4+ for a while like they did with 3+, and 2+" <- AM4 has one last major cpu gen, and then its am5 time @pastel briar
mellow basalt
@pastel briar yea probably
pastel briar
@foggy hazel isnt that wnat I said? if not thats what I meant 😛 lol
mellow basalt
@foggy hazel hello
pastel briar
@foggy hazel ah ok fair enough
sullen spoke
lurky lurk 
mellow basalt
@pastel briar you said what games do I need it for?
pastel briar
what is the most demanding game or thing you plan to do with it?
mellow basalt
@pastel briar it’s just for gaming so high chance for playing rocket league, overwatch, rainbow six siege and other games I can’t think of rn 😅
ebon jewel
Any ideas on a legit monitor for my HP Omen Obelisk? I'm new to building.
pastel briar
any monitor/display/tv will work
it is really a personial preference of brand and features you want the device to have
ebon jewel
Just want a crisp low refresh rate, 1440p
pastel briar
as for @mellow basalt I would suggest going with a Ryzen build, doesn't have to be the latest, you would be fine with a Ryzen 5 for your rig to start with
little osprey
heya fellas
im just starting to build my pc
do you guys think 600 is a decent budget? im a bit low on cash
pastel briar
either is fine, the X only denotes that one is able to be over clocked
but if you pair that with a GPU similar to a GTX 2070Ti you would have more then enough power to run rocket league
mellow basalt
So I should go with the X to overclock ?
pastel briar
if you plan to over clock any yes
mellow basalt
Cause the main games I play is rocket league, overwatch, rainbow six siege and Gta 5
pastel briar
then you would honestly be ok, and still have some room for upgrades
mellow basalt
What motherboard should I get then?
pastel briar
up until last night I was running GTA 5 on a core i7-2200 paired with a GTX 1050 Ti and that was running pretty good on high settings
mellow basalt
There are a lot of GTX 1050 Ti’s
pastel briar
Yay server rack PDU installed and the new server rack rails
neon condor
1050 Ti oof
sudden turret
eat fresh
neon condor
^
pastel briar
@mellow basalt I just used I think the MSI one, but mine was the Aero (smaller sized card) so I could cram that into my Dell Optiplex case which is a mid tower (and yes I bought the 1050TI when it was still sub $150 and relevant)
@sudden turret already done 😉
now I just need to install my Server heat syncs (all copper) but I don't wanna take the server down....uuuuug
@mellow basalt for the most part your build will be relatively quiet
another thing I don't want to do is take down my server and gaming PC and then move my desk and rack and tidy things up....oooof
Posting on behalf of @mellow basalt who wishes to know if this would be a good case (correct me if im wrong?)
mellow basalt
Thx why can’t I copy and paste pictures in here 😂
pastel briar
you need to be level 3, its to cut down on those who want to troll and spam
mellow basalt
Ohhhhhh that makes sense
pastel briar
but for all intents and purposes that would be a decent case for your build I am sure others might chime in and have other suggestions as well
neon condor
Looks sick, I like it.
pastel briar
im planning on getting this one, as I want to make a sleeper build, and more or less have a gaming PC hidden amongst a metric tone of servers and no one ever be the wiser to it's existence 😄 Yes it is a server, it just serves MY needs 😉
"Yes boss its the new server that I am using....it helps me keep my sanity 😄 "
bold rune
should i get a amd or intel cpu
upper fable
Currently I would go with amd for pricing to performance
little osprey
i7 second gen and 1050 ti is pretty solid tbh, would make a great silent itx build or something
upper fable
There is a lot of options for PC cases
little osprey
anyone here ever get that case by that dude that uses the external power supply
upper fable
?
little osprey
id wanna make it a high spec build and then underclock everything lol
chilly belfry
And now the screws are stuck on the motherboard
upper fable
Uhhh how?
chilly belfry
Idk I put the processor
Then when putting the fan
I adjust them
But I forgot to apply the thermal paste
So I wanted to get out the fan
And the screws got stuck
sudden turret
what cooler?
upper fable
Is it a stock cooler?
sudden turret
doesn't that have pre applied paste already
chilly belfry
It didn’t come with it
With the 3 lines of thermal paste
I knew those come with that
But mine not
sudden turret
sounds weird.
little osprey
im still using the same arctic silver 5 i bought ten years ago xD
chilly belfry
But how do I get those screws out ?
upper fable
Hmmm I'm trying to think how the screws are stuck, like is it cross threaded
sudden turret
I would guess the same way you put them in
chilly belfry
Can I send a pic of them to private chat ?
sudden turret
send me the pic I will post here.
chilly belfry
Ok
sudden turret
chilly belfry
I sent them
last forge
Is it okay if I install my psu
sudden turret
until it bites on a thread
last forge
Down
sudden turret
honestly that's how they're suppose to be Physical
last forge
O I’m so smart
sudden turret
pulling fresh air from the bottom, and out the backside
chilly belfry
It’s like hard stuck bro I tried to do that but it only keeps turning to the same way
sudden turret
I dunno man..
just keep at it.
it's not like you can break it, you've done that already 😄
silk estuary
Lmfao
chilly belfry
Ok thanks
neon condor
Pfft
pastel briar
@chilly belfry you can't really break the motherboard unless you physically try to
neon condor
Debatable
neon condor
When the Intel fanboy walks in...
neon condor
Oh ok I ❤ you then.
I want to use Intel 10th gen in a build this month, I am just waiting for the release.
I wish I could preorder the I9 10900K.
neon condor
sudden turret
little leaf
I should've went the amd
upper fable
the screws for that mobo look like they pop out at a certain orientation, not ment to be turnedcompletely around like an actual screw @chilly belfry
neon condor
Intel still bests AMD in gaming performance.
AMD doesn't have the clock speed.
upper fable
i should say actually the screws for the cooler
neon condor
Ok, that's true. I can't argue with fact.
best
neon condor
I agree to disagree.
pastel briar
I can agree that I have an IBM server 😄
neon condor
It's bragging rights.
pastel briar
its old school
neon condor
But if a mod says shut up...
Mod has superpowers.
sudden turret
/weirdawkwardflex
if you stick around long enough
you'll notice no one listens to me anyways.
pastel briar
wait what? sorry I am deaf 😛
upper fable
lol
pastel briar
lol
neon condor
Oh yeah, I am a newbie, I am still feeling the server out.
still roostBOT
Sorry but this egg is in another castle.
pastel briar
I think the bot is drunk, and it is not even the weekend yet 😄
little leaf
how big is the performance gap between 2070 s and 2080 s
pastel briar
speaking of drinks I think I need to refill my water cup....
which ones, non Super or Super? (my bad I get them mixed up)
pastel briar
@little leaf https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-RTX-2080-vs-Nvidia-RTX-2070/4026vs4029
hope that helps with your question
not sure how accurate it is so take it with a bit of salt but should at least give you a possible base line
little leaf
ye but user bench isn't the best when it comes to reall gamepplay
pastel briar
agreed
game play depends more on the game engine and how it was optimized I have seen games that run great and other that run like piss on my 1080 so....
little leaf
my chrome is taking up aboug 3 gigs of ram
still roostBOT
Madgadget#4042 has been warned
silk estuary
*yeah disown chrome
sudden turret
😮
silk estuary
I use opera
sudden turret
GX?
little leaf
I can't belive how much cheaper ram has gotten
sudden turret
ram.. and ssd/nvme
little leaf
I got a 500gig nvme ssd for 50 bucks
pastel briar
nice
little leaf
yep cruicial
little leaf
got a crucial ssd and nvme
polar goblet
Noobie question if y’all will help. Please!
Setting up the:
Power sw, reset sw, power led + and -
For whatever reason in the manual it is not the same kind of cables. The Pled is not 3 cables or connected as shown in the picture, nor is the power sw shown in the picture.
How should I set these up?
A link, video, or explanation here would be very helpful! Thanks
little leaf
what case?
polar goblet
Okay got the
Power led + top 1st on the left
Power led - top 2nd on the left
sudden turret
can you see the real fine print?
polar goblet
Power sw top 3rd and 4th from the left
Then the reset
Bottom directly under the power sw?
sudden turret
sudden turret
did color coding help? 😛
there should be a HD led as well..
but maybe not on that case
it's basically the 'thinking' indicator light its really not needed
come back if you have any other questions.
polar goblet
That helped sooooooooo much ty
little leaf
what does hd led stand for again I forgot
sudden turret
hard drive
little leaf
ye thats what I though
sudden turret
it just blinks when your drive is doing something.
little leaf
but I have no hard drive so
polar goblet
Last thing to setup is these 3 cables running from the fans. They’re 4 pins. I have 4 of them. 3 from the front 3 fans and 1 from the back fan.
Corsair 680x
Asus X570 plus gaming WiFi
sudden turret
ya
polar goblet
CHA FAN 2?
sudden turret
cha- chasis fan
yes
you'll have some label SYS fan as well
the cpu and cpu_opt is for your cpu fan
your board looks like it might have two different locations
one is above the ram.
polar goblet
At the top I got
Cpu fan - taken by cpu cooler.
Cpu opt -
Rgb headset -
Bottom I got
Cha fan 3 -
Cha fan 2 -
silk estuary
Question for y'all
sudden turret
that white header with 4 pins is the RGB header
silk estuary
sudden turret
the one next to cpu-opt
silk estuary
Which should i choose?
still roostBOT
Congrats! You won a free... ERROR MESSAGE CAN NOT BE FOUND
sudden turret
I've got that evga card, same one
silk estuary
I'm asking seriously.
silk estuary
But what's the difference between the zotac and the evga
silk estuary
Thanks man
little leaf
Celty you could get the evga ko
polar goblet
Can I plug one of the 4 pins from the fan into the cpu opt or no?
little osprey
im not a "fan" of those
pastel briar
Is there a dedicated channel for Newegg support for general questions about cases? or how do I get a hold of someone? unless someone here might be able to tell me what the differences between the two cases I am looking at (same item number, except one says OEM and the other does not, and one is lower cost then the other and both have different "release dates" other then that they look identical so I am a little perplexed on that....
little osprey
i might have to use my old 5770 on my new platform untill next month xD... it crashes though alot, is there any chance that might damage my motherboard?
neon condor
@sudden turret
I don't have a PC until Intel releases its 10th gen but someone just dropped this thing off to me.
neon condor
Think I can get it to run League?
silk estuary
Does the msi mpg x570 gaming pro wifi have built in graphics in combination with a ryzen 7 3800x? Asking so i don't have to get the gpu immediately
neon condor
I'm going to blow it out and throw a SSD in it, then install Windows 10 and hope it at least runs League.
sudden turret
pretty sure
neon condor
I think I have a 250GB SSD somewhere I can use.
Wait Athlon doesn't have Internal graphics?
silk estuary
Feck
little osprey
motherboards dont have gpu, and neither do ryzen cpu's so
silk estuary
Aight, thanks
neon condor
Uh oh, I might have a GPU somewhere.
little osprey
athlon might have internal yeah, it wont run league though lol
sacred chasm
helloo friends i have awakened
little osprey
hey
silk estuary
Holy hell
sudden turret
😄
silk estuary
Lucky son of a gun
pastel briar
attempteding to determine which end is up is that......a.....BTX board? been a long time since I seen one of those
little osprey
lol, what cpu do you have coming in?
pastel briar
@neon condor be warned of the bottle neck....might need to use the angle grinder to widen it 😉
neon condor
It better run League. Or I'm gonna smash a 2080 Ti in it.
little osprey
please don't lol
neon condor
If I had the I9 10900K & Z490 motherboard I wouldn't have a problem.
sudden turret
oh woe is me
pastel briar
LoL was designed to run on Potato boxes with nothing more then a C2D in them
sudden turret
😛
pastel briar
at least that is what I remember reading some where
little osprey
ew, the naming scheme alone is enough for me to avoid intel now
sacred chasm
Specs are
980 GTX
MSI Z170 PC Mate
32 Gb of 2400 Mhz ram
i7 6700K
neon condor
This is bad.
pastel briar
well it is basidally a C2D/C2Q so....yea
pastel briar
eew
sacred chasm
Someone had a build set out for me earlier, but I was just wondering if anyone else had suggestions
neon condor
Help...
sudden turret
I can only do so much
neon condor
I have a 1440P monitor I don't even think it will boot on that.
neon condor
Just the monitor might kill it.
sudden turret
hm..
pastel briar
LEL
pastel briar
looks like someone gets to have fun while the PC chokes on its self? 😄
neon condor
LOL
pastel briar
I will take the 2080Ti off your hands however, not like it will be useful anymore 😄 LOL
neon condor
I really wish I had one of those Dell 780s right now.
A core 2 duo would be way better than this Athlon.
sudden turret
you couldn't just take one?
little osprey
@sacred chasm id basically just get a new gpu, 2080 or 2080 super should do, or wait for 3000 series
sudden turret
since they were getting discarded
neon condor
But it's what I got so imma make it work.
little osprey
oh wait
neon condor
Yeah but I can't exactly get into my old work anymore. XD
sacred chasm
I would be bottle knecked by my cpu 🙂
pastel briar
their is always a wey, you just need to know it.... 😄
neon condor
I think a good clean and an SSD is all it needs.
Because that's all I got right now.
Oh and a fresh install of Windows 10.
Since 10 runs smoother than 7.
little osprey
best value right now is 3600 and a 2060, but 3700 if you wanna try future proofing 1 more gpu upgrade
its what im gettin
pastel briar
it is honestly how I get my servers, I just go to businesses that are getting ready to toss them out and buy new offer to help them remove them and dispose of them on there behalf (so they can be environmentally friendly of course) and 10 PASS the HDDs and then repurpose them into my home data centere 😄
did someone say Linux ears perk up?
sudden turret
uh
sudden turret
them timings wooo
little osprey
samsung ram :o pro build
sudden turret
9-10-80?
sacred chasm
pastel briar
looks at image MY......GOD.........MAN............the timings......how.......
neon condor
I got this.
pastel briar
shutters looks like the dark days have returned
neon condor
It's just got to survive until 10th gen launch.
pastel briar
you would be suprised
pastel briar
I have win 10 running on a Dell Laditude D510
little osprey
im using a dual core with 5 gb ram and windows 10 wont run twithc or youtube unless 360p
sudden turret
did you just mike tyson
sudden turret
twith 😛
little osprey
you need my 5770 bryce lol
neon condor
IDEA
pastel briar
@sudden turret and it is the Single core D510socket M479 - 770 CPU too
sudden turret
bryce seems like the dude that's gonna make it work.
neon condor
I have this stuff.
sudden turret
I have faith
little osprey
1050 2gb for like 50 bucks, sell pc later for 150
little osprey
i dont think thats gunna fit either xD
neon condor
I just need an entirely new Mobo
And processor so yeah that's a no go.
4GB of RAM it is.
little osprey
its ddr2 btw i think
little osprey
didnt amd phenoms start with 3?
that was the start of quad core era
now they back on top with the core counts
pastel briar
I remember my Phenom X black edition....
little osprey
i had a phenom 2 quad, lasted me like 8 years
im hoping the 3700 will give me a similar experience
pastel briar
I had to make mine last me 10 years as that was not only the first true gaming PC I built as a young kid, but with my own allowance and job monies (parents helped pay for some of it but I saved up everything I could hehe)
sudden turret
bryce got jokes.
little osprey
same here crazyplane :)
pastel briar
it kinda went longer then 10 years but hey it worked
little osprey
when i got an i5 7500 i was still using the 5770 xD
then went for a 1050
useless in 4 years
4 cores lasted a really long time
pastel briar
Does anyone know if "Chenbro" is a good brand (looking at cases), im hesitant to get something just to find out it sucks and I am out money because it won't fit my needs or what have ya
or would I be better off with an iStarUSA case?
bold rune
can i still use a atx motherboard if im not going that much for a really high end build
bold rune
ok thanks
sudden turret
leaves room for future upgrades.
pastel briar
@sudden turret I am honestly in the same position as you on that, never heard of either until now....
@bold rune you should be fine, just as long as your case can accept the board fit wise
bold rune
yeah because when i was on pc part picker i had a ryzen cpu and most mirco atx was incompatible
sudden turret
which cpu?
bold rune
ryzen 5 3600
sudden turret
probably incompatible due to BIOS.
sudden turret
yeah
juust means you need a ryzen 2000 series first to update it
then you can put in 3000 series
pastel briar
yes it was due to bios needing an update which is possible to do, I remember you asking about that before
bold rune
yeah when i got a atx motherboard it says its compatible now, so am i good for now?
pastel briar
you should be fine
sudden turret
should be yeah
bold rune
oh ok
sudden turret
the mobo box should say "ryzen 3000 ready"
fractal got some good sales going on right now
just not TG tho
sudden turret
??
lament spire
hey guys could someone look at my parts i am looking to use to build a pc and lmk if they're good parts
little osprey
would like the define 7 to go on sale, its the most beautiful thing i ever seen
neon condor
Ok update.
sudden turret
go for it rizz
neon condor
Here in Athlon land.
lament spire
ok
sudden turret
newbies can't post anything until level 3(it goes quick)
little osprey
1tb is sweet spot now for ssd
neon condor
sudden turret
this link (example)
neon condor
It was actually a 500GB Drive.
sudden turret
oh wow nice
little osprey
you were supposed to USE the pc bryce, not make me feel old :p
neon condor
By the way, I am covered in Dust from 2003.
sudden turret
you smell old.
lament spire
ok ill get that
orchid swallow
anyone here have problems with a rx 5700?
sudden turret
on behalf of @lament spire https://pcpartpicker.com/list/M2pmvW
if you can get 3600mhz ram that would be idea
lament spire
thanks @sudden turret
sudden turret
maybe a better rated psu
lament spire
i would probably sell my current 1060 3gb
little osprey
seems good enough, ive heard bad things about sandisk though cant remember what
lament spire
ok
sudden turret
other than that looks like a decent setup
sudden turret
crucial makes nice ssd
lament spire
ok
little osprey
you ciuld also go for a 2060 the value is there, 1660 still legit though
lament spire
alright
sudden turret
they got one on newegg rigth now, crucial 500gb nvme m.2 for 50 bucks
lament spire
ok
little osprey
from what ive been hearing on here the nvme to get is sillicone power p34a80
lament spire
i will most likely start with buying the mb and case
little osprey
intel 660p is also recomended alot
lament spire
LOL
little osprey
sillicone power then i guess, im not sure crucial is any better then the intel
little osprey
how about amd hardware encoding? :P
little leaf
https://www.amazon.com/G-Skill-RipJaws-PC4-28800-CL16-19-19-39-F4-3600C16D-16GVKC/dp/B07X8DVDZZ/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&qid=1588633313&refinements=p_89%3AG.Skill&s=pc&sr=1-1 @lament spire there is this but pretty high lateny
this is what I have
sudden turret
cl16 is fine
little osprey
16 and 19 not so bad
lament spire
ok me and my dad were actually looking at that RAM
little leaf
its not the best just not the best
little osprey
oof
little osprey
oh
little leaf
k or non k?
little osprey
these days it dosebt matter much lol
lament spire
one sec
little leaf
rizz about 80 bucks for the 1060
lament spire
ok
little leaf
I'm looking on ebay
lament spire
ok
little osprey
i just sold an i5 7500 16gb and a 1050, 480gb ssd for 400 canadian, (275 usd?)
lament spire
yeah
little osprey
sold in 2 hours lol
little osprey
it will significantly bump up your resale price
lament spire
says 1000 gb
little leaf
so a tb ok
little leaf
then thats worth a decent amount
lament spire
alright
little leaf
maybe a hundred bucks at least
lament spire
idk the exact brand tho honestly its my dads old one
little osprey
sell it before it dies lol
little osprey
beautiful
lament spire
it sucks tho because i was planning to get a job to pay for all of this but i cant now cuz of corona
little leaf
I should've went with am4
little osprey
what case is that?
little leaf
I'm big sad
lament spire
lol
little osprey
yeah the console gunna outperform ya squid
rough hornet
With raid 5
little osprey
oh lol
little leaf
I'm so sad that I didn't go with 3700x and a i79700k
little osprey
well, intel parts have high resale value -shrug- you will still be good for years though
near garden
Hello
little osprey
you have higher clocks than consoles, but not HT youl probly only see problems near the end of the life cycle
rough hornet
? Me
little osprey
squid
rough hornet
Oh
little osprey
that is NOW squid lol
pastel briar
@near garden research research research and planning
little osprey
well, if you meant as in the standard
watch alot of youtube and especially gamer nexus probably
learn how to calculate price to performance
userbenchmark website
little leaf
go with am4 for best price to performance
little osprey
and buy corsair cx power supplies no matter what appearently :p
can someone put together a $1300 list for me
little leaf
yes
pastel briar
Do I need to drop my wall o’ text about psus and why it is good to buy a quality one and spend more on the psu if anything at all?
cursive wharf
things that make PSU quality: voltage regulation/ripple, protections (and whether they work properly), transient response, capacity quality, fan quality, noise (both from fan & coil whine), whether it's group regulated, whether it's multi rail, how good the solder quality is, what the failure rate is, and what the average failure of the PSU causes
basically, lots of stuff
polar goblet
Asus tuf gaming X570 plus WiFi, only has CHA FAN 1,2,3.
Corsair 680X has 3 fans in the front and 1 in the back for 4 total.
Where can I plugin the 4th fan?
In the cpu out, aio pump?
cursive wharf
That can work. Tho that would mean that case fan RPM will scale with CPU temps unless you turn it off
pastel briar
filters for 2 TB SSD....stupid people.....filtered results return 250GB SSD drives....how does 250GB = 2TB or 2 gigabits or 200,00,00,000,000 Bytes.........bangs head into stress reliever
well I guess its true that "I can't fix stupid" sigh..... at least I got duck tape…
silk estuary
So
If i were to get the liquid cooled 2070 super, how exactly would that setup work in a tower?
pastel briar
How do you mean? It would work like an air cooler, only difference is the AIO has a radiator with fans that would mount to the case and blow cool air over the radiator to expel heat then that hot air is exhausted out of the case
sacred chasm
would a b450M work with a ryzen 5 3600?
neon condor
The Athlon PC is cleaned out and ready for Windows.
I might be able to get my hands on a GT 710
If I can by tonight then imma be ballin.
I have a friend who might have that or a GT 610
potent prairie
I loved that when I was searching for an i9 on eBay and I got empty boxes as the first 50 results
sacred chasm
-.-
which is more worth it
so far here's what i've compiled after
much research
ryzen 5 3600
sudden turret
you can get the 3600 to do the same thing as the X
sacred chasm
TUF b450
sacred chasm
Mood
Okay cool
Im about to buy the parts LOL
so far
AMD RYzen 5 3600
B450 Pro2070 superand coolar master mwe gold 650 power supply
any other suggestions?
sudden turret
rgb
polar goblet
Using the Ryzen 9 3900 with the wrath prism cooler.
I have the cpu fan plugged in.
Do y’all plug in the usb header or rgb header?
I didn’t really understand the difference?
upper fable
difference being is the software you would have to use for rgb
surreal mango
anyone using a laptop
upper fable
i would do option b if it was me
sudden turret
yes
option b
oh wait
no
you can plug in both actually
I did.
and used the coolermaster software
upper fable
for me i have the mobo software that i use that makes it easier to sync everything together
i guess it comes down to preferance
i use polychrome from asrock
sudden turret
the mirage effect is amazing
upper fable
Dang power supplies are sold out rip
jovial ruin
i ran into the same issue with psus lol, soon as i saw one that worked for my build and everything was in stock, i bought it right away
my psu still coming, i got the rest of the entire pc friday. lol
still roostBOT
The Rudester#8147 has been warned
latent storm
would it be a bad idea to have two 140mm intake fans and two 120mm exhaust fans?
sacred chasm
buy my stuff
jovial ruin
it shipped from different places, and legit the place the psu shipped from must have been a bogged down hub, it didnt get an arrival scan til after i already got every other part
i have the pc built already, my buddy gave me the psu out his old gaming rig
which oddly enough is better haha fully modular 650w evga supernova vs a 500w evga b5 semi modular xD
jovial ruin
but ill still keep both since my new psu prob safer since the one he gave me is 4-5 yr old
sacred chasm
willhe still buy tho
jovial ruin
yea i feel that, i had to go over budget too due to things going out of stock often, i luckally dropped costs down a bit when things came back in stock. check back often
cuz things go in and out of stock a lot lately
i watched the 2060 KO go in and out of stock like 5x before i ordered my build, same with the mobo, the psu, etc
hence why when everythin on my build was in stock i immediately ordered
sacred chasm
pff
sacred chasm
i genuinely dont know 😦
normal brook
The specs on newegg will state if it has wifi or bluetooth
jovial ruin
and a lot of times it usually says so in the description / name if its wireless/bluetooth out the box, else you likely need to add a card I'd assume. I'm no expert though, I only recently got back into a lot of pc related stuff.
yeah what plazey said
normal brook
I am thinking about starting a tech related youtube channel
Probably how to fix computers or something
hidden anvil
wifi cards only cost like 30 dollars
sacred chasm
i think ill wait a little before going balls deep
normal brook
Go balls deep
hidden anvil
but your probably gonna need a usb one instead of a pcie one
normal brook
Prices are insane right now though
hidden anvil
judging off of clearance
sacred chasm
im about to drop 1k to upgrade my desktop LOOL
jovial ruin
yeah i dropped around 1070$ to build my pc
normal brook
Same
jovial ruin
i had to build from scratch though
sacred chasm
Im just upgrading based off of what i need to upgrade
jovial ruin
case, psu etc
hidden anvil
yeah im helping my friends build theirs
jovial ruin
since my old pc was so old
normal brook
Build a ryzen 2700x + 2070 last summer
jovial ruin
was legit over 8 years old at this point